subtlety

[deft oar]

what’s the queen setup to get out of roots if not gnome

[mint swift]

That the trix thing?

[plush roost]

Thats 12 seconds shadow dance if out of combat for 6(10 in reality) seconds

[wide magnet]

if i already have a 639 dagger should i open as outlaw

[formal notch]

can i macro shadowblades and flagelation together?

or not recommended?

[wide magnet]

you can

[mint swift]

Ah ok I just copied the build from wowhead

[wide magnet]

it's not exactly correct tho

it wastes a gcd

[mint swift]

What do I drop for it then also how does that work

[vale pine]

you have some options for mythic+

the first dance is a good node

[wide magnet]

do you have any opinions on this fuu? i'm seeing no reason i shouldn't

ig it depends on embels

since i'm playing 639+636 crafted+ascendance

[formal notch]

isnt the out of combat thing in M+ really fucking you over if you have some tank chain pulling?

[mint swift]

To drop?

If so can someone cook me up the choices?

I haven’t played sub in a hot minute

[lilac stag]

no. Even if you only get it once every 5 minutes it blows every other option away

[vale pine]

the middle of the tree can be varied

you can take tornado or tfd or skip both

nodes are in general closer

e.g. you can switch these nodes

or for deathstalker even do builds like this

there is a certain free choice, the suggested builds should be good to go tho

[formal notch]

fuu is this rotation still up to date in the notes with all changes? Simplified Rotation:
• Symbols of Death on cooldown
• Shadow Dance every Symbol of Death
• Secret Technique every Shadow Dance (2nd finisher)
• Flagellation / Sepsis always with Shadow Blades
• Second Shadow Dance Charge during Flagellation / Shadow Blades

[vale pine]

can always double check what is played on raider.io in keys tho to see what people pick

[formal notch]

its the one in the pins

[vale pine]

not entirely

give me a sec

[formal notch]

thanks!

[vale pine]

this is the simple version i have on wowhead

basically 2x symbols, 2x secret 2x dance every 1.5 mins

[mint swift]

Jmmm ok gotcha
I’ll try this

Idk but the rota feels
Kinda easier than assa at a glance?

[vale pine]

and in between symbols with secret up or close to beeing up so you can supercharge it

[wind canopy]

You shouldn't. Should be delaying SB a couple of GCDs

[vale pine]

the baseline of any spec is easy now, the complexity comes with min/maxing

assassiantion is in my opinion especially on single target easier

[mint swift]

On st 100%
But i meant aoe

[alpine wraith]

i tried some dungeons as DS and it does do quite a bit of dmg

problem is sometimes DN can be annoying but

i had some surprising burst sometimes from places i didnt expect

like 1.2m marks or 600k witness

[mint swift]

K gonna try my first sub key in fucking ages

[formal notch]

i just did the same i still did more damage with assa in previous ones but i guess iam just rusty af xD

[vale pine]

things that are more difficult:

• spreading rupture
• keeping track of multiple buffs
• min/max things
  also assassination has infinite energy in aoe, but sub has no energy issues during cooldowns too now.

but i wouldn't say sub is more difficult in general, you just need to think about diffrent things

assassination has some optimization which can make it more difficult in aoe too

[small hemlock]

so with the super charged combopoints is it only if the finisher lands on that specific point its charged or any finisher

[tepid trellis]

any cp

[mint swift]

Meh i did

Ok

10 SoB

died in a double pull after the banna area

he took the 2 mob pack into another and i insta died

apart from that i awas alive

Very fun and fast in the SD windows

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[mint swift]

Dslice for sub rogue sims?

[mint swift]

Breakdown

[lucid jackal]

I'm just gonna show up to st bosses with trickster

Idgaf anymore

[gritty knot]

Missing BP mate

[mint swift]

-_-

Do we actually use BP now?

With trickster

So checked

[topaz raptor]

5t+ so maybe a couple times in sob

[mint swift]

we use it instead of Eciv on more than 5 targets

or 4 during dance

Ohh ok

I remember people saying to just unbind it from the keyboard X)

[topaz raptor]

Before it got like 3 rounds of massive buffs

[mint swift]

K gonna run one more before i sleepo

[rocky wolf]

vanish 1st cloak 2nd, GLHF on 3rd

[lucid jackal]

U can solo 3rd

U can also kill first with just group passive cleave now

[vestal escarp]

pad on your web

[rocky wolf]

yeah webs have no HP

its not a big deal to just get cleaved down

[mint swift]

Damn that was fun

Im still assa main but tbh

If sub becomes the number 1 rogue spec next season with this rota i woulden't mind at all X09

[wet ember]

!fuu

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[umbral apex]

man I love DS but it is not the play in DB. I felt so useless on the 3tar packs, especially the boats

was blasting bosses though so there's that

[small hemlock]

I mean trick blasts bosses too

Not much difference and the overall is much better for your team

[small hemlock]

And when do we shuriken storm vs backstab

[lucid jackal]

Had my dn parried 3 times tonight so I won't be playing it ever again I think

[glacial hinge]

last fast weekly SV10 xD trying to learn the minmaxing, could do more

[lucid jackal]

Black powder that high with trickster is so sad

[hazy breach]

On 2 targets or more you storm

But you strike in dance always

Backstab just doesnt do enough damage to warrant the cp loss

[tulip token]

I love the first boss of mists on sub man xD

There was a 9m sectec like right before it too

[hazy breach]

Thats only one of the 2 hits too

Its a real big bonk

[tulip token]

Yeah this was part of the window

[lucid jackal]

What's the verdict on hero talents

Ds for everything, trickster for last 2

What about keys, we are still trickster truthers

[hazy breach]

Ye definitely feeling the trickster

[tulip token]

I am curious myself. I haven't done a full key as sub in awhile. I only play it on final 2 bosses on NW and first boss of Mists. I play trickster when I do it but curious how you guys like DS

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker is alright and might be better on a big long pull like in stonevault

But overall i feel like trickster is better

And sims seem to agree, especially if you dont have a shaman (but you almost always do this season)

[tulip token]

Guess I need to start pressing BP more. Saw you guys talking about that on trickster. I legit wasn't pressing it at all xD

[hazy breach]

Ye thats how we used to play it

But theyve grongo buffed BP twice now

So now its good

Its annoying though because you need to use a rotten stack with storm to apply fw

And theres an annoying bug where if you storm with 2 stacks it will eat all of the stacks

So you ideally want to strike > sectech > storm > bp > strike.... etc

[tulip token]

oh god

that sounds annoying af

[tribal blade]

HUUUUGE

that's actually really rare for a NW to have 0 deaths

[tulip token]

So rule of thumb for BP on trickster is around 5 targets?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[tulip token]

Alright thanks

Going to do some sub only keys now to get a feel

[hazy breach]

Ye it was insano

I managed to time a GB now too

Score is ramping

[tribal blade]

damn the amount of time you have left on a key when you have a 0 death run sheeesh

[tribal blade]

15 or 16?

[hazy breach]

15

[tribal blade]

niiiiice

[hazy breach]

GB 16

[tribal blade]

that's usually the last one people get on 15

yeah 16 GB fucking rough lo

[hazy breach]

Theres like 10 GB 17s done

Ye i have done 5 16s

But still hadnt done gb 15

Until now

[tribal blade]

lol yeah that sounds about right

i would say you're safe for title, but key levels prob go up when the ring comes out

[hazy breach]

Idk i dont actually think so

[tribal blade]

but likely you're approaching safe territory

[hazy breach]

Since theres no push week

[tribal blade]

very true

[hazy breach]

I think its gonna go up a decent chunk more

And also im eu

Its prob gonna be most 16s some 17

[tribal blade]

if you timed a 16 NW with 3.5 mins left you can time 17

[hazy breach]

Well ye if i had the same lads

[tribal blade]

pug run with 0 deaths, goddamn

in NW

the last time i had that happen in a hard key was 27 VP

had a 0 death run, i was shocked

[wind canopy]

I think if you got another 50 points, you'd be safe... Guessing the min goes up another 100

[tribal blade]

NA score is prob gonna be super low this season

unless people push at the end

[wind canopy]

Probably two more months of this season? So like 10-12 points a week given gear, which is about 100 points for EU?

[wind canopy]

Would have to be a hard push I'm guessing

[tribal blade]

yeah it'll keep going up, but it'll slow down quite a bit at some point

[hazy breach]

It used to go up like 40 a week

[tribal blade]

some people play like that, and you can 100% do that this season if you're a good player

[hazy breach]

But now its slowed down to like 25

[tribal blade]

yeah it'll keep slowing down

but there'll be a bump when the ring comes out

[wind canopy]

All 16s is 3431

If we took Eleem's 16 NW as the score for a 16

[hazy breach]

Prob slight lower as most wont be that much under time

So more like 3415-3420

[wind canopy]

I guess the question is how hard are 15s vs. 16s for the people on the cusp of title?

[tribal blade]

haven't had to take a socket this entire season because i get something worth taking in every vault

[hazy breach]

16s is a stepup in dps required for sure

[sullen hare]

Lucky you

[hazy breach]

Ive had alright runs deathwise where we just run out of time

Because we pulled too small and/or the other lads didnt do much damage

[tribal blade]

yeah i can imagine

[hazy breach]

(its obviously never my fault i dont time a key )

[wind canopy]

So maybe it's less then that even?

[tribal blade]

oh you're perfect too?

gotta gather up the acorns of timing keys for the cold winter months coming up ahead of bricking 😉

[wide magnet]

this happens when every dungeon sucks

tragic

na is held together by vibes and glue

none of us even enjoy the game

[tribal blade]

it seems worse this season than it's ever been

yup still looks that way

like for reference i just looked at the dk dps leaderboard

and on the first page of 40 players, 5 are from NA

the rest are mostly EU and CN

and pretty much every class leaderboard looks like that

[tawdry meadow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[hazy breach]

Idk i dont think the dungeons are that horrid

The only ones i roll up to with a bad feeling is nw and gb, the others are kinda fine

Dawnbreaker is really good imo

[tribal blade]

yeah i don't think it's the dungeon pool, i think NA is just going through a key crisis

mid life key crisis

[hexed bluff]

Finally got a transmitter 🥴

[fair stump]

GB is horrible, even when we had groups with 2 or 3 deaths, timing have been VERY tight

You either need giga dps or giga pulls

[tepid aurora]

so outside of dance u wanna put up as many ruptures on targets that'll be alive most of the time as possible?

[fair stump]

Yes, but by the end of your opener there shouldn't be THAT many mobs where you'd need to spread

[wispy bolt]

anyone taking Improved Shadow Techniques over GB for ST DS?

sims say is a slight dps loss but i like procs

[fair stump]

You don't run out of energy during cooldowns and your dmg outside of cds is so low that more energy won't really translate to that much dmg

[tribal blade]

i kinda like running imp sht because it makes cdr a little better

that's the main benefit i find from running it

so if you're cucked on uptime it helps

[strange chasm]

!fuu

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[strange chasm]

You think trickster is better for insanely short fights because of cdr?

or ds still better?

[viral phoenix]

on silken court opener do you guys put the rupture on the 2nd boss that hasnt gotten rupture yet in between teh 2 dances (during flag/trink) or wait till after both dances?

i guess whats better cd buffed eviscerates but rupture isnt applied or applying rupture during cooldowns

[sullen hare]

How insanely short are we talking? How many potential targets?

After shadowdust went the way of the dodo it's not really a meaningful difference to just look at fight length

[short radish]

where's that image for broodtwister on when to pop cooldowns

!broodtwister

[hexed bluff]

Fuu for President

[sullen hare]

I'm not sure fuu is eligible for the presidency

Being a sub rogue and all

[hexed bluff]

[wispy bolt]

In a wipe log, you still get a parse number. It indicates it places you based on the last 2 weeks of public logs but doesnt excplain how. It definitely doesnt compare your wipe pull dps to completed pulls. And it definitely doesnt do it based on the time in the pull where you died either (using the dps from completed pull logs at the time of your pull's wipe).

[sullen hare]

Don't tell me in so many words that you're getting dragged for a bad parse

[wispy bolt]

For example, a guildy got a 100 on a 40% kill and we were just curious where that comes from, since it was below the #1 parse and the #1 parse at the same time

[sullen hare]

Because getting dragged for a bad parse sucks

[wispy bolt]

nah we just dont know what the math is and are curious

[tepid trellis]

wipe parses are horse shit

[wispy bolt]

we know its not a good indicator but the number doesnt even make sense

[tepid trellis]

100% useless info

[wispy bolt]

yes its useless but whats the math

[sullen hare]

🔮

[tepid trellis]

better to ask in wclog disc

[wispy bolt]

cause intuition would be "take all completed parses and cut them to the time of wipe and compare"

but its not

[topaz raptor]

yeah i figured it would have been the dps number vs the charts

[plain zephyr]

@lucid hawk Did you send Flag/ShadowBlades on pull on Court? Or wait for first damage amp.

Never mind I see you did send on pull

[lucid hawk]

on pull and then 2nd amp ye

[plain zephyr]

Thank you!

[upbeat sorrel]

tried out DS again after playing and learning trickster for a while

DS feels awful

i see the hate for it now

lol

[fossil holly]

!sheet

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[clever delta]

finally

[sinful sluice]

r we cooking black powder on ovinax now?

[tepid trellis]

u like a week late bud

[sinful sluice]

ive been playing assa for like week or two now

i just cant do dmg on sub for some reason

[lilac stag]

assa brain

No thinking.

sub brain.

Thinking.

[sinful sluice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/kr/아즈샤라/야채해적#boss=2920

Can i get any feedbacks on my doomed sub log

[left ledge]

man

dont you guys love when a beetle just fucks you for 25% of your hp on court

its so fun

[sinful sluice]

I just use evasion

[left ledge]

yeah this shitter was behind me

as i was using cds on the boss

it was doomed

[sinful sluice]

Yeah its rly annoying

[left ledge]

tbh i shouldnt have died to it i was way too low for way too long

but its still dumb as fuck lmao

[sinful sluice]

Thank god we have 3 DKs on our raid

[lilac stag]

I can’t now, maybe someone else can. Find a similar kill time and compared CD usage

[glad raven]

guess I'll play sin then

[cursive vapor]

changed from sin to sub couple days ago i bet i have that trinket in my vault too

[glad raven]

Luckily I have transmitter, took it anyways, sin still fun

[pliant topaz]

@tepid trellis inshallah zed is back

[tepid trellis]

now do that against conq-resolve 2nd ambessa

[pliant topaz]

na that shits getting nerfedd

thank fucking god

[tepid trellis]

sudden impact on here needs to get nerfed

shit has 0 cd man

[pliant topaz]

yeah its actually kinda absurd ngl... like it doesnt have sustain in lane so u can kinda poke them out

but they start dshield and its gg

[tepid trellis]

lethality ambessa is not okay

she goes back gets a dirk

1 taps you

[pliant topaz]

did u see showmaker go like 16/1 in challenger kr???

[tepid trellis]

yeh

[pliant topaz]

champs not balanced

[tepid trellis]

q-auto-e-auto-q-auto-e dead

oh an yes ofc the E is a 99% slow cuz why not

(its not 99% im just mad)

[pliant topaz]

duuude the fucking shield like wtf is that???

[tepid trellis]

barrier lvl 1

[pliant topaz]

its soo huge

[tepid trellis]

on a 12 sec cd

[pliant topaz]

how do i trade into this bitch

[tepid trellis]

as zed you literally have to backwards trade

[pliant topaz]

my 20 second w ah yes surely i can traade

[tepid trellis]

like you used to do against yone

[pliant topaz]

i mean yeah im fine with that

like yone u can do some stuff

u can w forward to not get hit by his w and get a good trade and chunk him

u can do stuff

this bithc theres nothign u can do

[tepid trellis]

dont think she loses to a single champ in a 1v1

and when she rushes the fcking slow lethality item

its gg

you cant get away

[vale pine]

oh is ambessa the new lol champ?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[pliant topaz]

im just happy ist not my job to deal with her

let the adc and top laner with that shit

[vale pine]

probably broken on release, like most new champs

[tepid trellis]

Kalista but an assassin/bruiser

[pliant topaz]

nah fuu u gotta see this monsterosity

[tepid trellis]

with a retaliate barrier on a 16 sec cd lvl 1

[vale pine]

lol

[pliant topaz]

kalista but assassin/bruiser with Vi ult and a barrier on a 16 sec cd

[tepid trellis]

all of her skills are AoE

and she life steals on them

[pliant topaz]

SHE HAS A FUCKIGN VI ULT WTF IS THAT

[tepid trellis]

and her ult gives her like 40% armor pen passively

at lvl 16

[vale pine]

good luck balancing that^^

[tepid trellis]

she is just like kalista

just her jumps are after spells

[pliant topaz]

is she gonna be good in pro though?

idk

[tepid trellis]

in specific comps yeah

you cannot play tanks into her

she just ruins tanks

[pliant topaz]

eh

u can stun her dash though

its a really big weakness

and she cant dash over walls

[tepid trellis]

you would draft her in a 1-3-1 comp

you cant sidelane against her

she just runs you donw

[pliant topaz]

hi im jax

[tepid trellis]

jax doesent win

she is not auto based

[pliant topaz]

no shot what

[tepid trellis]

she stat checks him xD

you do realise she does % dmg right?

[pliant topaz]

LMFAO nvm then

its actually gg

[tepid trellis]

also read this

un cancelable auto

% hp dmg Q

thats her ult stats

30% armor pen

and 15% baseline life steal

[wind canopy]

She’s very balanced, wdym

[tepid trellis]

on spells

[wind canopy]

[glad raven]

Is this league talk

[tepid trellis]

@pliant topaz + all you have to do is hit her E

[pliant topaz]

okay 1) didnt know the max health holy fuck thats aids

[tepid trellis]

and you wont miss Q

[pliant topaz]

2. but this is lifesteal, not omnivamp though

[tepid trellis]

cuz this shit slows by 99%

[pliant topaz]

are we sure she actually heals off of them

[tepid trellis]

its specifically life steal on her spells

[pliant topaz]

okay gg 200 years

[tepid trellis]

so like

its not reduced by AoE xD

you stack up

she heals to full

xD

[pliant topaz]

yeah okay thats actually absurd wtf is this

[tepid trellis]

she is hard to pilot tho

so atleast there is that

[pliant topaz]

nothings that hard

[tepid trellis]

if you hit both q sweet spots

it does like 300 dmg lvl 1

so

xD

[pliant topaz]

???????

i swear some of these new champs

sometimes u just wonder

[tepid trellis]

it is more like 230

but you get the point

its very fcking strong

[pliant topaz]

i hit u for like 80

[tepid trellis]

Zed Q does 90

[pliant topaz]

with a shuriken

thats also if it hits u first...

just sit in wave

[tepid trellis]

hey atleast her ult does like 0 dmg

you just cant really dodge it without a blink

[pliant topaz]

i mean why does it need to do damage

it gives insane lifesteal, insane armor pen, gap close, cc like hmm

[dry plank]

Is it new expansion or what are you discussing?

[pliant topaz]

just league

[tepid trellis]

just two zed otps being maldy over league

[pliant topaz]

okay but ngl the 3 seconds instead of 2 seconds reduction on w is huge

feels actually good to play again

i can move around the fight

[tepid trellis]

E resets or?

[pliant topaz]

yea

[tepid trellis]

havent seen patch notes

[pliant topaz]

its live right now

compared to before

[tepid trellis]

time to go cdr zed again

[pliant topaz]

yeah u get enough cdr pretty sure ur w is 8 seconds late game

hit 2 people with e it resets

[thin lion]

Im struggling a Bit with the talent build for DS in M+
Because I See some Play dark brew + Tea and some with CB and the rotten or some without rotten but 1 Point in finality
Is there a specific reason for it or is it dependent on the Dungeon ?

[vale pine]

its preference, the dark brew builds do slightly better in aoe and tea makes them feel less energy starved

[barren haven]

I have to ask a noob question:
With M+ Trickster Build recommended on wowhead, we black powder at 4 targets+ or are there any circumstances where we eviscerate (like those Coup de Grace proccs)?

And also: we are finishing at 5cp+ just like assa?

[barren haven]

Because wowhead Guide says in AoE situations we shuriken storm twice and then in Dance we go over to shadowstrike > eviscerate. Im curious if this is still accurate?

[vale pine]

you coup the grace over bp

[vale pine]

6+

[vale pine]

you storm once in dance

[barren haven]

Okay so we just stacking Dance macabre and then go shadowstrike brrrr Just Like in df

[vale pine]

but it depends what build you play

[barren haven]

But do we bp with many targets around and only coup. Did I got that right?

[vale pine]

for trickster its better to just use strike for premediation or if you used storm once

[barren haven]

Ah Dance triggers premed too?

Thought it was only true stealth

[vale pine]

no its dance too

its not extremely obviouse

[barren haven]

Nice

I mean yea because we swim in cp with cds

I Play that one btw

Because ima rusty dad and I tend to just switch my Brain off sometimes

[vale pine]

haha perfect ^^

[barren haven]

Thanks grandmaster

[vale pine]

if you have more questions, just ask

[barren haven]

[glad raven]

Fuu lowkey just a chill guy

[keen dome]

Well, that's a tough vault pick. Boots / Cloak are both upgrades as i don't have Myth in those slots, and I could cata them to better statted versions. But.. ring..

[glad raven]

Can literally get boots and cloak from first 3 bosses in raid

[keen dome]

If you raid Mythic and win the roll yes.

[glad raven]

Can also craft cloak

which is probs better tbh

[keen dome]

The cata one is uh.. Cirt/Versa iirc but yeah, I think a crafted 636 is probably the smartest idea.

[vale pine]

ring is quite good

[keen dome]

Yeah I am very tempted by the ring because it's a nice bit of passive damage.

And like Rogan said, those other two slots aren't the most impossible to get.

Simming it to be sure but I think the Ring is gonna win me over.

Cata boots are quite nice since they're pure versa/mast though

Sim thinks the cloak is by far the best pick, hm.

[wanton oar]

Say if you are opening and don't have vanish up, would you backstab and rupture, or just skip the rupture?

[glad raven]

Is sub noticeably more tanky than sin? doing a few keys last night playing both, felt like i was getting spanked as sin

ik we stack vers on sub tho so makes sense

[keen dome]

Yeah, we're really tanky.

We have raw DR during dance windows

[glad raven]

juicy

[glad raven]

do prefer sin in keys tho

just die

[keen dome]

I also really like running

[tepid trellis]

replace first evis with a rupture

Evis is only there to put up SnD

and just go into cds after that

[wide magnet]

coup de grace charge is so unnecessary man...

[keen dome]

"What is my purpose" meme but it's Evis being told it is here to turn on S&D

I took the ring. Ring simmed best in a few situations and also I realized it's free gilded to boot so win-win-ring

[worn cape]

When I first levelled rogue (last week lol) I just applied SnD with the SnD abilities and wondered why it never ran out 😂

[alpine wraith]

it used to run out

[wide magnet]

this must be wha t it feels like to watch student loan cancellations

[alpine wraith]

so now it is better

[worn cape]

I was happy to open up another keybind for sure ^^

[keen dome]

It's a nice thing to have

[cursive vapor]

felt so good to delete snd from my bar

[carmine portal]

4th week in a row my vault looks like this

will i ever see transmitter...

[wispy bolt]

am i stupid or is Zekvir ?? harder than mythic raid by a alrge margin

[vale pine]

[vale pine]

its difficult

try to focus on doing eggs

[wispy bolt]

the dot that needs dispelled is cucking me

everything else is fine

[vale pine]

you can vanish it

and cloak

[wispy bolt]

double vanish it is

cds are just too long

so its not up and brann dispel isnt reliabkle

[worn cape]

Sadly Brann is never reliable.

[wispy bolt]

75% of my pulls are "oh brann hasnt healed me so 2 melees and i explode"

[alpine wraith]

that is interesting because i remember doing it with like 615 ilvl or so

now i thinki could go and nuke him

[wispy bolt]

zekvir ? i nuked in like 10 seconds

?? is wild

[vale pine]

run the one more potion thing

[wispy bolt]

whats that?

[vale pine]

a skill for bran

[wispy bolt]

ah yah

all i can say is m kyveza is much easier than this (as a dps) and its not close

[rustic mortar]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

New PB on heroic court. Slowly climbing to the 90 parse level. Like a 200k dps gain from not leading it for once haha

[cursive vapor]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[cursive vapor]

ok my vault was sh!t again

[haughty mural]

nice shoes

they are vers/mast right ?

[alpine wraith]

yes

[vestal escarp]

air jordans

[tribal blade]

boot gang

i catalysed these today

2nd vault in a row getting gear with leech on it

[scarlet heath]

I beat ?? at 611 ilvl as assa 2 days ago, it's not that bad tbh

[haughty mural]

big

[scarlet heath]

but perhaps sub is more difficult

[tribal blade]

funny though, 2 pieces of 639 gear with leech on it is a whopping 1% leech

but 1% leech better than none 😉

[haughty mural]

yea they hate leech

[tribal blade]

it's just how they nerfed tertiaries

[alpine wraith]

i have 4 items with leech

[tribal blade]

i'm glad though, it makes gearing less toxic

[alpine wraith]

and barely get to 10%

with leeching

smh this game

cant even have cool pay2win

what do i do with 102m gold

not RMT that is illegal

[tribal blade]

DO YOU NEED

i'm a poor with barely 5 mil gold

[alpine wraith]

it is a joke btw i dont have that much

[tribal blade]

alms for the poor

[alpine wraith]

i always spend a lot

so im with like 800k rn but getting a bit every day

[tribal blade]

it's too late, i'm gonna beg you every day now

[keen dome]

🙏 (Heroic, but holy shit)

[alpine wraith]

goal is get to at least 2m before next tier

[keen dome]

The power of a 3 minute kill timer

[keen dome]

Absolutely my best parse ever, haha

[scarlet heath]

best advice I can give is don't be cheap on potions/flasks and other consumables and either learn Bran's dispel timing or track his cooldown, you want to weave in your other responses to his poison accordingly

sometimes Brann is lazy and doesn't dispel the poison right away, from my experience I always waited 3 seconds before cloaking it to see if he dispeled, if not just cloak

[tawdry kiln]

Gg

[scarlet heath]

otherwise you have vanish to drop it as well

if you know his heal cd you can even kick it sometimes

[haughty mural]

told you

[scarlet heath]

but risky

[sly shore]

Just kill mythic in the same speed as heroic

[keen dome]

Hahaha jesus

What kind of damage are you guys putting out

Everyone above 2.5m?

[keen dome]

owns

2 healing?

[sly shore]

yeah

[tawdry kiln]

🤯

[keen dome]

Rules. I love the idea of speedkills like that

[sly shore]

we're not even speed killing yet

that's alt raid

[keen dome]

You can go faster?! goddamn, hahaha

[sly shore]

our sikran is 5 seconds faster than r1 public log too

[keen dome]

That fantastic, and sounds like a lot of fun

[sly shore]

speed and ronkas fucking blasted

absolute gamers

[keen dome]

Massive blasting, damn

[sly shore]

we're r1 public log for rashanan

but also our private log is

8 seconds faster than that

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[autumn flame]

Gotta get that second dm in execute

[round latch]

[keen dome]

❤️

[sly shore]

This is when boss is in execute

[autumn flame]

Jfc

[keen dome]

I'm surprised execution is so much lower than Speed.

[sly shore]

2 heal

[autumn flame]

Does not get better than that

[keen dome]

Oh right, that makes sense

[lilac stag]

Why the fuck are you still running 8 keys a week?

[sly shore]

pretty sure nexus princess is 2 healable now

cos I now have skardyn's

literally the only upgrade from keys

[lilac stag]

I did that with 1 key

[sly shore]

and it was in my 3rd slot

[lilac stag]

Get wrecked.

[sly shore]

[keen dome]

I have multiple Skardyns I wish I could donate..

[lilac stag]

jk. Grats

[sly shore]

I'm not here for a month anyway

[lilac stag]

where you off to?

[sly shore]

Japan

[lilac stag]

Fun

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[tribal blade]

makes sense that speed is the rank 1 rogue right now

[autumn flame]

Gotta respect the reclear passion

[tribal blade]

i've been watching his rogue videos since SL

oh wait i don't think he played rogue in SL, DF then

[sly shore]

reclear is more fun reducing healers

reducing tanks

[autumn flame]

Will to play the game kinda dies when prog is over

[sly shore]

ignoring mechanics to do dps

[keen dome]

Yeah, that's something I've always seen as being pretty fun.

[sly shore]

speed killing bosses is goated

[keen dome]

You know you can kill it. So time to do it in funny ways

Makes farm more fun

Bullying the bosses

[autumn flame]

Ye I guess it's something to make it a bit more interesting

[sly shore]

if anything, farm is more interesting than prog sometimes

[tribal blade]

my guild's roster is big so we have to get everyone who was on the bench boss kills after CE

[autumn flame]

But idk nothing beats the first kill imo

[leaden prairie]

why private log kpb

[sly shore]

you tell me

I don't care private or public

we did a week of public then went back

[alpine wraith]

it is because of me sorry

[sly shore]

[autumn flame]

In farm I kinda have to force myself to care

[alpine wraith]

i told them to

[leaden prairie]

but advnace as always been public logign tho no

why are you guys suddently lame

[alpine wraith]

not always

[sly shore]

officers made decision to go back to private logging

[keen dome]

Why do groups private log, outta interest? At that level.

[sly shore]

genuinely don't know why we went back

[alpine wraith]

some poaching other things blah blah

[sly shore]

But I also don't care to know

not poaching

[round latch]

nice,now i dont have anyone to spy

[sly shore]

it doesn't stop poaching

[hazy breach]

Private logging is always cringe, its only acceptable if youre liquid, method or echo

[round latch]

[alpine wraith]

yea most of the time other things is the cause

[sly shore]

it's anything but poaching really

[leaden prairie]

Well that's giga boring gg

[sly shore]

but I don't know the specific reason why for us

[tribal blade]

a lot of guilds will recruit by finding players with exceptional logs

and they'll hit you in your DMs with the "hey, come join us, fuck your guild"

[keen dome]

Makes sense, that was the only reason I could think of.

[sly shore]

it's definitely not poaching tho

[keen dome]

I used to private log the guild I raid with but that was because most people parsed below 10 and it felt mean to make that public.

[sly shore]

💀

[keen dome]

But that's not an issue anybody getting CE is gonna have lmao

[hazy breach]

Surely people wont padd on adds instead of doing boss damage if we put logs as private

[alpine wraith]

surely

[keen dome]

hahaha

[sly shore]

it has to die!

[leaden prairie]

I can't be in guilds that private log reclears

Makes farm super boring

[alpine wraith]

i cant be in guilds they just disband

smh

[sly shore]

add r1 private log rogue to rio page

[alpine wraith]

hope this one can tank at least some tiers

[keen dome]

I just pug because it's chill to Walk Out of bad groups.

[alpine wraith]

maybe i should have done that

i had a cool collection of 100*

[keen dome]

It's all about the 69's on every boss imo

[leaden prairie]

If it's private it's not real

[sly shore]

[autumn flame]

Wait farm can be fun?

[alpine wraith]

what i regret is that i didnt save personal logs back then

so now they are gonezo

[sly shore]

farm is fun

[leaden prairie]

Of course it can

[alpine wraith]

farm is fun

[leaden prairie]

If you play for.rlogs or speed kills or whatever

[sly shore]

gearing mirror number 4

[alpine wraith]

you can joke with people while snakin bosses

[sly shore]

[leaden prairie]

If you set objectives for yourself

Farm is fun

[sly shore]

if we speed killed properly I suspect we would public log

cos what's the point otherwise

[leaden prairie]

i love far m

[keen dome]

farm is about bullying the bosses

[leaden prairie]

you do big dam

get r1

happy brain

[alpine wraith]

tbh i miss the expansions you could completely destroy bosses

like WoD

or last season bfa

[hazy breach]

That part is better this tier atleast

Than in df

But ye not like wod

[autumn flame]

Brain only happy when prog

[alpine wraith]

MoP also had some funny things

[keen dome]

It's pretty funny breaking a boss so bad they try to do two things at once

My favourite quick kill is still in DF S1 with the spider boss in vault. Where if she hit uh.. 15%? she'd snap out of the hanging animation and fucking ZOOOOOM to the top platform in a second. It looked so incredibly funny.

[alpine wraith]

oh well you also had that one in s4

fuck that boss so much

[leaden prairie]

but what if brani happy for both tho

during prog you are happy killing bosses

during farm you are happy doing big numba

[keen dome]

Speed farm is also cool 'cos you get done with it really quickly

[tepid trellis]

you know nothing of real speed

[autumn flame]

I wish

[tepid trellis]

speed killing is only fun when you find tech

rest of it is boring

[autumn flame]

Something wrong I guess

[tribal blade]

i just figured out why i would sometimes see sin rogues randomly turn 180 from mobs in the middle of pulls

in these povs i'm watching

[hazy breach]

Theyre trying to meld im assuming

[tribal blade]

yeah meld haha

i'm dwarf so i don't get that luxury

[autumn flame]

Couldn't you have a stop attack macro for it?

[hazy breach]

[autumn flame]

Idk I'm just a gnome

[hazy breach]

Big number = big fun

[autumn flame]

Rootbreak smh

[sly shore]

Ya like we thought 1 heal nymue was definitely possible

[tribal blade]

male orc is also unironcially one of my favorite race models

[sly shore]

and 1 heal volcoross was fun

we just didn't have time to try nymue

[autumn flame]

Shit like this would at least make my neuron activated

Gotta have the whole guild care for I tho

It

[sly shore]

no heal gnarlroot might have been possible

it was already 1 tanked

same as igira

and volcoross

speed kill sark was fun too

all the speed was in p1/p2

and p3 was just fucking blast

[glad raven]

You still in advance?

[alpine wraith]

why would he leave

[glad raven]

idk i cant find his toon

Used to learn from his logs xD

Kieronstab

[sly shore]

called kpb now

[glad raven]

ahhhh

[worn cape]

Heey guys, I am new to rogue and subtelty. Do I always save Shadow Dance and Symbols of Death charges for Secret Technique?

[glad raven]

You save Secret technique for shadow dance and symbols

[hazy breach]

Yesnt

You want to make sure you can cast 2 symbols, 2 sectechs and 2 dances during your flagellation+blades window

Which means having atleast 40 seconds left on your second dance charge whenever you press flag

[round latch]

[hazy breach]

And then you want to squeeze in as many dances, symbols and sectech inbetween those windows as possible, most often thats 1 use of each but sometimes you can fit two

[glad raven]

Welcome btw, ask any questions you have

[worn cape]

Ah and I have been doing it the other way around. 😂

[worn cape]

How exactly do I do that?

[glacial tartan]

X3 Understandable. You want to use Secret Technique in your opener after you pop Shadow Dance and Symbols, especially because the cool down for it is shortened with more combo points you use.

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[glad raven]

Yeah, general rule is. Big burst, which is your flag/Blades + 2x Shadow Dance + Symbols of death, with 2 x Secret tech in both shadow dance + symbols windows. Followed by small burts inbetween your flag/blades coming back up. Making sure to have Shadow dance + Symbols for the big burst again

The more you slam dummies/play the more stuff will make sense

[glacial tartan]

Actually now that I think about it, is there a time in-between your burst you pop Symbol as you generally have 3 charges while building up Shadow Dance again?

Since you'll have used 2 after your burst.

[glad raven]

Depends on if youre playing deathstalker or trickster i think. I believe DS you can send a naked Symbols, but trick you can do another dance+symbols. I think

[hazy breach]

You shouldnt be sitting on 3 charges no, you'd just send it

Either with a dance but most likely without it

Aka the "naked" symbols, that just kinda feels bad

[glad raven]

am i the only who says naked symbols lol

[glacial tartan]

It feels really bad x3. I noticed on some bosses in mythics because of some of the mechanics, getting another Dance feels hard at times.

So I was unsure if you save your last Symbol or just send it.

[glacial tartan]

I haven't tried DS yet to be honest. I might in the future though.

[worn cape]

You play Trickster on all bosses?

[glacial tartan]

As of right now yeah. I just recently picked up Sub.

[worn cape]

Maybe I should also do that instead of learning both hero talents at the same time 😛

So you do always press Shadow Dance, Symbols and Secret Technique at the same time?

[hazy breach]

Not necessarily at the exact same time no

But you always want to have sectech inside a dance yes

[worn cape]

Dance is only 8 sec tho, sounds difficult otherwise for me

[glacial tartan]

Generally when you do your opener you do Dance > Symbols > Secret

[glad raven]

Have a look at some top logs, good way to gauge when to press what

[hazy breach]

Main thing to focus on is doing your big burst correctly within flag+blades and send 1 dance+sectech+symbols inbetween to begin with

Youll eventually get a feel for when you can fit another set dance+symbols+sectech inbetween the big bursts and when you cant

[worn cape]

I'll practice that first then, thanks for the advice everyone

[glacial tartan]

Does DS take Cold Blood?

[hazy breach]

Since the cooldown of dance is based on combo points spent its hard to give you an exact sequence of when you should be able to fit one in and when you cant

And the cps vary based on rng, how many targets you have and how much youre forced of the boss for mechanics etc

[hazy breach]

Yes

[hazy breach]

https://youtu.be/RUltGUGtuVw?si=sQVsmHgFnxppFSGA
If videos are more up your sleeve compared to the written guides

!guide Has it explained in various different forms too depending on what website you go to if thats easier for you to parse mentally

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[glad raven]

Eleem guides

[tribal blade]

subbed

[cursive vapor]

and liked and saved and shared

[lilac stag]

Careful. Don’t get busted for self promotion.

That’s only allowed in the other dagger spec channel.

Also Like, Comment & Subscribe https://youtube.com/@eleemz?si=zLjaW-37Dw-SgqUM

[tepid trellis]

can you whisper me to sleep?

[lilac stag]

asmr eleem when

[alpine wraith]

audiobooks inc

[lilac stag]

also why isn't the 0 parse on the thumbnail. 🤔

[keen dome]

Should've had 0 parse -> 99 / 100 parse.

That's a really good video though

[glad raven]

"The Lord of the Rings, Two Towers, Read by Eleem of Ravenholdt"

[leaden prairie]

wtf video !?

no wae

[lilac stag]

wae

[tribal blade]

we might finally get the fabled sub rogue M+ videos

[worn cape]

Thanks! I'm new to dps and find reading guides a bit tricky sometimes. I am def a visual learner.

[alpine wraith]

nice the more people that make videos maybe blizz remembers we exist too

[lilac stag]

lorrgs helps if you are visual. Can see how cds stack

[worn cape]

You are talking about logs right?
I used to use WowAnalyzer before but none for sub sadly.
Now I don't know how to improve.

[lilac stag]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/

[lilac stag]

yea WA is way too much work and anyone capable of doing it, is more or less in here

[worn cape]

Yeah, I get that.

[haughty mural]

You will get there buddy - at some point it’ll just click and you’ll become our new #1

[lilac stag]

on lorrgs you can see how cds get used and compare to what you’re doing. Just watch fight timings

[worn cape]

Yes, this seems right up my alley, thanks!

[lilac stag]

every log will have a mistake, but when you see patterns of SoD usage it gets easier.

[mint swift]

Any reason we don't run vigor in aoe? Do we not have the points to spare anymore?

[lilac stag]

it’s spent better elsewhere. Ie we don’t need it. Get comfy doing nothing outside of cds

[mint swift]

Yea

I think i might play sub over assa in lower keys

things die way too fast for assassination

[plush roost]

Honestly i find in weekly 10s that things die far too fast for sub rogue

At least as sin you can garrote rupture CT and start ticking sps

Dps

But sub man, you're halfway through your first dance and half the pack is dead already

And then its like, well rip my cds (all of my damage)

[haughty mural]

would you guys recommend new players to still macro cb and sectech together ?

or tell 'em right away to cb second sectech in cds at max flag stacks ?

[swift tinsel]

if they're brand new I'd say macro them until they're comfortable

[scenic crystal]

Do u play Trickster or Deathstalker in M+ now?

[swift tinsel]

but let them know its a dps increase not to

[hazy breach]

Both are fine, but i would recommend trickster

[haughty mural]

yea was doing it like this

[swift tinsel]

its an optimization that most of the player base doesn't reallllly need to make but if they want to they can as a more min/max thing

[scenic crystal]

Ty @hazy breach

[hazy breach]

The CB tech is kinda cursed and i would prefer it to not work the way it currently does

[swift tinsel]

100%

[lilac stag]

Yes. Especially on DS. The likelihood they’re fitting both SecTechs in transmitter is low

[lilac stag]

Is cb tech cursed or is the spec cdr cursed.

[haughty mural]

I recommend trickster for starter anyway

[hazy breach]

Nah the cb tech is cursed

[swift tinsel]

DS cdr cursed

[lilac stag]

cdr more cursed imo

[haughty mural]

everything cursed

[lilac stag]

especially on DS

[haughty mural]

we are cursed

[hazy breach]

Because needing to use CB exactly on cd on sectech is hard

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mummy-returns-cursed-this-is-cursed-that-is-cursed-gif-23891128

Are yall using 2 sectech macros or having cb on its own bind?

well, one macro one naked bind

[lilac stag]

If you’re try hard ye

[swift tinsel]

I am him

Got rid of my old backstab-in-dance- bind

[haughty mural]

I am washed up

but we have so many free binds nowadays

[woeful barn]

Pisses me off when transmitter spawns the circle

[swift tinsel]

I have a bunch tied up in focus macros

Your circle is my orb

I had to shoot it away from ovi bc if I didn't I could not see it for shit

[woeful barn]

Orb probably worse

Shit floats to places I’ve had to jump off for and SS back

But the circle is a meme. Welp here goes my cloak for the buff

[woeful barn]

Wait you can aim it?

[swift tinsel]

yeah it and circle spawn in the same place

[woeful barn]

[swift tinsel]

~45 degrees northeast of where you're facing

!transmitter

[wicked jolt]

The orb and circle from Treacherous Transmitter always spawn in the same spot. Relative to how your character is facing it spawns northeast/1:30 o'clock/frontright, this means you can know where it will spawn and react accordingly.
https://i.imgur.com/cTPN4Tz.png

[woeful barn]

I feel like suddenly things in my life have come into focus

[swift tinsel]

Yeah good aiming will save you a lot of trauma

[woeful barn]

I was about to say something but it’s probably best not too. Great life advice there tho.

Ty

[sly shore]

press W and D together

and it walks towards it

[severe prism]

should i default first 2 crafts to daggers ?

[lilac stag]

Only 1 dagger

OH is a stat stick

Wowhead guide has recommended crafts

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[glad raven]

Some of the top logs confuse tf out of me

[lilac stag]

[mint swift]

What CB tech

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[mint swift]

Oh fair

So you use it in your second one to get a bigger ST kk

[hazy breach]

Yes, and then you dont use it inbetween your flags

Unless you use it immediately on cd pretty much

Else its not gonna be up for your flag burst or you need to delay flag, neither of which are good

[lilac stag]

That’s a very broad and non-informative statement. lol did you need help with a specific fight… or?

@glad raven

[swift tinsel]

How do you get the bars to be standalone icons in the WCL timeline view?

[hazy breach]

Swap to casts instead of damage

[swift tinsel]

King

[glad raven]

Nahh just some of the top logs you look at make mistakes and makes me double check the guides xD

[lilac stag]

Anything specifically?

mechanics, errors all sorts of shit happens

[hazy breach]

Ive also noticed lorrgs doesnt filter out the logs that have been filtered from wcl

Like the coup bugged sikran parse is still there, whereas theyre removed on wcl

[lilac stag]

Ye

kill times and date checks

Important

[carmine portal]

Never seen it in vaults, never in raids for weeks. First raid it drops, two of them drop.........

I roll a 3..........

[vestal escarp]

Video killed the radio rollers

A pala and a spriest as winners is peak comedy

[lilac stag]

sub reroller luck 🎲

Penance for yellow name.

The game knows.

[vale pine]

f

[heavy knoll]

hey guys, just about to start lvling my subt rogue from 70

is there any warbound treasures i should grab, ie daggers? im super low geared

[glad raven]

idek what warbound treasures are

[heavy knoll]

like the blue treasures you can pick up

like the cursed picaxe for example

and then send them to alts,

[vale pine]

this one is funny

[hazy breach]

You should not wear anything but daggers

[vale pine]

this one transforms you if you have it in your bags

[heavy knoll]

yeah i know

im asking if there is anything like this

there is armor too

[vale pine]

you can just do some delves or buy cheap boes from the ah once you reach max level

[swift tinsel]

can also buy adventure track blues if your delve progress is high enough

with the delve currency

[heavy knoll]

ooh ill check the delve blues

yeah no im looking for gear that helps lvling not max lvl

[swift tinsel]

you get extra progress/currency this week

[heavy knoll]

like the pseudo heirlooms

[swift tinsel]

ah

[heavy knoll]

got honor readyto fully gear this guy pvp soon as i ding 80

[swift tinsel]

can speed level with Darkmoon Faire/anniversary buffs this week

do timewalking dungeons gives tons of xp esp with those buffs

[heavy knoll]

yeeee thats the plan 🙂

[heavy knoll]

apologies in advance guys i am going to be the worst rogue in history

im gonna drag your good name through the dirt

[glad raven]

We all were at one point

[bronze turret]

Not true

I had played other classes for many years before going rogue

[void hound]

i actually enjoy manual CB
gives you some small min max things you can do on the later bosses where you dont send cds immediately all the time

[vivid geyser]

Stupid question probably. But how important is the OH dagger? It feels like all our ST abilities use only the mainhand, making the OH merely a stat stick. Is that just visuals or is it really mainly a stat stick?

[chrome cobalt]

How is Subtlety compared to the other specs in M+ after the buff?

in the 10-13 key range?

[swift tinsel]

stat stick

[swift tinsel]

Very good damage with frequent burst

[chrome cobalt]

Any aspect where it falls behind Ass / Outlaw notably? I can see sub is climbing a bit in the meta rankings, but always hard to tell when there's 2 other very good specs that sucks in all the players

[spark tusk]

Assa still outshines it in aoe

assa also has iw

[swift tinsel]

Sub can also do better st in aoe talents than sin but sin's aoe and prio damage are exceptional

Sub is very much a boss destroyer in m+

[strange chasm]

No need to do aoe when your enhance sham is doing 20 mil on his opener

Sub is pretty decent with Aug too right?

[swift tinsel]

You get vers and main stat which feels cool, and might lines up with SoD

[fair stump]

My first trinket was transmitter when I was playing assassination. I spent 3 weeks farming for skardyn's grace. A week after I decided to be subtlety, I got a mythic skardyn's on the vault

It is what it is

[edgy zenith]

is there a way to look at healing taken on logs?

wanna see if I should run ephemeral bond or exhil on asnurek

[edgy zenith]

was swapping these:

ty

[fathom gazelle]

!fuu

!sheet

[dry peak]

heyho guys, sorry for the stupid question but do we use Black Powder in aoe or not? the graphic says Eviscerate but the guide says BP.

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

With the most recent BP buffs we do use it, even as trickster

[dry peak]

ouhhhh yeah

ty

[hazy breach]

On 5 or more, but you want to use storm once with rotten

To apply find weakness

And then keep on striking

[rocky ocean]

What is rotten?

[outer cloak]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Bottom left talent

[alpine wraith]

gives some crit to builders so you get FW after using storm always

can also call it the ratten

🐀

[round latch]

yo

its cool

(just not for a final node)

[hexed sluice]

How do I make a thread for log help.

Ive been playing assassin since rerolling a few weeks ago, but made the jump to Sub on monday after fiddling around on the target dummy and finding it far more fun and engaging. However I am not very good at DPSing in raid, being a m+ player/achievement hunter.

[haughty rain]

Guys, if i follow most of the guides i find, and try to figure out BIS pvp gear set up it feels like i have it now? What more i can do or change what i have to be even better?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/outland/zisterfister/

[sly shore]

#pvp

[edgy zenith]

use !log. no one is doing them rn though, gl

better to just ask general questions and ping eleem

(this is a joke, DO NOT ping eleem)

he will yell at you

[hexed sluice]

Too late. already made it to the postoffice and sent a notarized letter

!log

[worn cape]

Ooohh, I should do that sometimes 😮

[edgy zenith]

no one is doing them

you really shouldn't

[sinful sluice]

should i try out the ultimae black powder technology on ovinax

[edgy zenith]

no, hit the boss