subtlety

[short radish]

just need it to pop off on one fight again

[grand fox]

facts

[short radish]

and blizzard will screw all 16 of us over

and that number will go back down to 11

[hazy breach]

Well ye, sub was doing that before too

[tribal blade]

i have so much brain fog right now i wanted to test DS on the ST dummy, and it took me until my cds were almost back up to realize i was still in trickster

[alpine wraith]

kek

[round latch]

there are several classes that could get nerfed,Sub isnt one of them.If anything sub is getting another buff but my magic ball is still foggy,gimme some time

[tribal blade]

make nimble soft capped like BP

and trickster is gonna be bangin

[round latch]

i think trickster needs something like double dipping into flawless form to become rly strong

idk how that can be achieved though

something that makes all the trickster tree x2 its effect

like flawless form makes everything do x2 the dmg

and the effects like strikes giving 50% crit rather than 25

[warm marlin]

I think nimble flurry being uncapped before blade flurry would cause a revolution

uncap both and make non-assa great again

[tribal blade]

i think the argument is sub has actual cds

and downtime

blizz has a philosophy of making specs that have very short/no cds and smacks them with a target cap

although that's starting to shift a bit

[hazy breach]

As with most things subtlety they dont actually need to buff stuff, just fix the bugs

[tribal blade]

hmmm this is too much logic

[strange chasm]

@hazy breach 15 SV

Sub is pre good id say

[alpine wraith]

blast

[vale pine]

yes, also in dance

[half comet]

is nimble flurry still bugged

40% instead of 50%

[lilac stag]

It never was bugged

Certain target dummies / locations trigger a 40% flurry

[hazy breach]

Ye its never bugged in instances content

[delicate rover]

I’m having a blast with the m+ trickster build 😮

[round latch]

🍆

that dk must be rly mad

[sinful sluice]

should i give up transmitter if im doing the webs on court?

getting transmitter orbs/plates seems kinda troll

[alpine wraith]

why would you do webs

ever

[sinful sluice]

idk im doing webs on red team

[tribal blade]

oh my god i just found out something awesome about arcane S2

i'm rewatching it and just realized the opening credits shows important plot points for each character

[drowsy moon]

do we use black powder at all

🤔

[upbeat escarp]

You could always use transmitter right before he jumps, do half the task, and finish it right as he gets stopped

Like jump 2 times, stay in circle 1-2s

Orb you can catch easily

And its the only “tricky timing” , you should not use transmitter first jump of p3 anyway

And the last one is free after you do the last charge+dispells

[cursive vapor]

with deathstalker you use bp as your aoe finisher when darkest night is not up

[haughty mural]

And trickster at 5+ targets

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/apt-rosé-blackpink-bruno-mars-gif-1539050173426684783

[alpine wraith]

[gritty knot]

Can u shadowstep last boss Ara Kara last second and avoid that explosion? I never tried it since I was afraid to fail...but on the other hand yday I was running towards a puddle with sprint on cd meanwhile. Slow af. And that fkn Paladin came out of nowhere riding fast as lightning on his horse, stealing me that puddle. Not the first time happening, so I need a solution for that 😂

[odd knoll]

is it worth using black powder in keys while playing sub?

[gritty knot]

As DS u always BP in AOE except u have DN up, then u need to eviscerate fast no matter what. As Trickster u use BP at 5+ targets. Even in Dance.

Make sure to use ur 2nd charge of rotten for storm so u have find weakness up on all mobs

[odd knoll]

ty

[clever delta]

people say that sub bp is degen gameplay but it feel so refreshing after assa prison in keys

for me personally after some time, assa in keys feel so ass

and this fucking auto tea do not help

[gritty knot]

Anyone can help me out on that one pls? @hazy breach @tribal blade @strange chasm

[gritty knot]

Ye same. I like it honestly

[tribal blade]

yeah you can, it's scary but doable

[clever delta]

i do it only as last resort tho 😄

[tribal blade]

if that situation happens again just target the person who stole your puddle, then wait for the strong suck in

then step

[gritty knot]

Okay thx. Ye actually its really scary that's why I never tried it yet. Because in higher keys if I die to that, they will surely go ham on me for that 😂

[tribal blade]

what happens is the explosion is right after the final strong suck in

so once you get pulled into the boss, you can step at that point and be safe i think

i've done it before

[sick jackal]

you can but its scary as the boss pulls faster as the channel goes on

[tribal blade]

oh i wouldn't worry dude, it's so regular for people to die on that boss

even in higher keys

[gritty knot]

I mean as a last resort I will try it next time. Yday the whole group shittalked me because I died at that even tho the Paladin clearly saw that I was on my way to that puddle. It's just friendly fire at that Point imo...but ye. It is what it is

[tribal blade]

i prefer to just play it safe, and i keep cloak off cd too just in case

[gritty knot]

Thx, I needed to hear that 😂🙌

[tribal blade]

the most terrorism that happens on that fight is ranged taking puddles from melee

bitch, go stand out in africa, get outta here

when i timed it on 15 i was the only person besides the tank who didn't die on the fight

the rsham had to ankh, the lock died 2 times and the dk died once

[lucid mica]

Why does wowhead guide say to use 3 eviscerates during opener on multitarget? After the cds are popped and the Sectech is used in cds, it just rotates between shadowstrike and evis

Why not BP?

[feral sleet]

how tf can you die as a dk there?

[gritty knot]

Tbh that fight reminds me a lot of that one dungeon Season 3 DF last boss. It was always a clown fiesta too no matter how good that key went until that last boss. Cant remember the Name of the Dungeon tho

[tribal blade]

you're looking at trickster, on which you cleave evis with nimble flurry

[lucid mica]

Ah

[tribal blade]

no idea, but where there's a will there's a way 😉

[lucid mica]

There was nowhere to choose which hero talent trees opener to see

[gritty knot]

Ah. It was Dark Heart Thicket

[lucid mica]

Also doesnt say in the text anywhere, if guide writer is in here maybe that would be a good idea so scrubs like me dont get confused 🙂

[tribal blade]

the last boss of DHT became infinitely easier when we started running DB instead of dust

so we could use vanish to combat drop casts

[gritty knot]

Ye. But it didn't stop ur group mates of dying tho 😂

That Boss drove me nuts

[tribal blade]

yeah that happened a lot

that was actually the last key i timed to cement title

iirc

[gritty knot]

Nightelf DB rogue was Infinite value on that boss

[tribal blade]

that was the key that topped me over 3700

[lucid mica]

So if im playing DS, i just replace the eviscs with BPs?

[tribal blade]

you would also replace all the strikes after the 1st one with storm too

[lucid mica]

Ight, so only strike before cds and 1st global after dance popped

Into sectech, then just storm-BP-storm-BP-BP etc?

[tribal blade]

yeah

it's basically like classic sub rogue aoe, except you have to weave in evis to consume DN

[lucid mica]

Ight

Thank you good sir

Is there a specific number of mobs we wanna apply rupture to before going into cds?

the opener sequence only shows 2 casts

[tulip token]

I believe the rule is anything you think will live for more than 12 seconds? I could be wrong

[glad raven]

@hazy breach thanks for the help yesterday, things are flowing nicely now, really not as bad as it seemed

[vale pine]

yes, a good rule of thumbs is to rupture everything that survives for most of the rupture duration

[vestal escarp]

nimble too god for sub

i fear it wont last

[hazy breach]

It doesnt work with this though

[idle aurora]

how dumb is it to craft a second weapon 😮

to 636 if i dont have a mythic

[north coral]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[timid pulsar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

If you have no other slots to craft 636 in sure

Out of all of your gear offhand is the least impactful slot

[small hemlock]

Is there a quick guide for cooldown management and timings

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lilac stag]

Wowhead

[small hemlock]

I looked but I’m looking for a use x with x seconds left and have x ready for x

[hazy breach]

Make sure you have 1 dance and less than 40s left on the second dance whenever you flag

You cant really have strict timings

[small hemlock]

Can you pin that

[lilac stag]

No. We don’t have strict timings

[small hemlock]

Okay cool

[lofty saffron]

New to sub, can anyone give me the TLDR on managing symbols & dance both during burst as well as downtime? Having trouble getting 2 charges of each back for SB window. Thank you

[hazy breach]

As the cdr is based on CPs spent and the amount of cp you generate is both random and varies depending on mechanics

[lilac stag]

This isn’t assa or a send on cd spec

[small hemlock]

Yeah fair fair

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[small hemlock]

Always 2x dance and sod in flag does that equal to two sec tec Also

[lilac stag]

You should have a sectech each sod

[light imp]

Feels good

[lofty saffron]

I suppose the better question is, if you get 3 charges of SOD every 1.5m or so, and 2 charges are used in flag window, when is the 3rd charge best used? It feels like I have too much downtime while trying to get 2 charges back for the following burst window.

[hazy breach]

Somewhere inbetween with dance

You dont need 2 charges right when you flag

You need to be able to use it during your burst

[lofty saffron]

Okay so as a starting point, 2 charges of each during burst (big burn), and 1 charge of each during downtime (mini burn)?

[hazy breach]

You can typically fit 2 dances inbetween on the first "rotation" and 1 dance inbetween after that, but sometimes its possible to get two

On ST

[uneven fern]

#1271971289396936735 message

isnt this still accurate enough

[small hemlock]

This is what I needed thank you

[leaden prairie]

@hazy breach is it more prio to evis or bp in like 6 targets

with deathstalker

[hazy breach]

BP is more at like 3

Evis barely does more damage than BP

[light imp]

^

BP does like 70% evis damage, so even at 2 targets with DS its good

except with Darkest night up

[hazy breach]

Thats without momentum up

Its more like 83% or so with momentum, which should be up all the time

[light imp]

fair, i was ball parking, lol

[glacial hinge]

Than on 3+ we only evis with DN up

[hazy breach]

On 2 or more

You BP if theres ever more than one target

[light imp]

i use DS in all situations at this point, even if its not 100% optimal its still well rounded enough for my taste

[glacial hinge]

Wow. But only on DS right tricks is 5+

[light imp]

trickster is 7+

[hazy breach]

Yes, and you also need to storm with a rotten stack as trickster

Because youll be striking otherwise so no find weaknesses up

[light imp]

or is the BP buff that strong?

[uneven fern]

is bp in aoe ever a prio/boss damage gain from singular focussy

or naw

[light imp]

always

well

we can get nitty gritty

but for the most part yes

[uneven fern]

[light imp]

if its only 2 targets then probably not if we're looking at strictly priority target damage

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[uneven fern]

oh holy fuck

i didnt see that

[vale pine]

evis is a lot worse than people assume

[uneven fern]

beating it at 3t is actually fucked

i mean i guess for assa ct beats envenom 2t

but its not the same scaling shit

eviscerate is just garbage i guess yea

[light imp]

well is it rotation "prio" or Priority damage specifically, BP at 3t might be more overall damage but at only 3 targets is singular focus generating enough damage at that point if we ignore add damage?

[slate marlin]

would it make sense to play trickster in low pull dungeons and ds in bugg pull dungeons? or its the same

[uneven fern]

im not talking overall damage

im curious specifically about for example boss damage on ovinax or smth

[light imp]

i figured you werent, my statement was to clarify what we're talking about

[uneven fern]

when is a bp dealing more to the boss than an eviscerate

[hazy breach]

Yes at 3 targets the priority damage from BP is higher than if you wouldve used eviscerate

[uneven fern]

and based on eleem msg

the answer is 3

which is crazy

[light imp]

coo

[hazy breach]

Or well, its mostly neutral at 3

[uneven fern]

i always forget how good singular focus is

it doesnt feel that big but it rly is

[light imp]

do we have an idea if we were to compare prio damage from singular focus to prio damage of trickster?

[hazy breach]

Its mostly bp being too strong in comparison that evis

Or evis being weak

[light imp]

or would it be the same

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker does way more prio

Did even before the buffs

[light imp]

figured

[uneven fern]

Naw i mean even on sin singular focus is just a surprising number always

i feel like

[light imp]

since trickster only cleaves off the add whereas DS scales with each add

[uneven fern]

ds kinda goated if it didnt feel so shit

[hazy breach]

Trickster is pretty much singletargeting, which is still good prio

But deathstalker gains more damage

[light imp]

^ yep

[hazy breach]

Not as much as assa, but not that far off

[light imp]

thats what i was assuming

i just like to have shit confirmed lol

[light imp]

watch your mouth, i play DS exclusively atm lol

[uneven fern]

dn thingy bug is miserable

[light imp]

oh absolutely

[uneven fern]

and losing a sectech

cause you have to dn

[light imp]

i suppose

[uneven fern]

other than that its like fine

managing the mark is way easier on sub than sin

just annoying bug

[light imp]

while its not optimal in regards to smoothness of rotaion i see it as choosing between big dam or big dam

so i just go with whatever the sitation feels best

but yeah not being able to proc any DM stacks while you have the DN buff sucks

sometimes ill be BPing not realizing

should make DN work with BP and apply DM to the target of your BP, lol

[warm marlin]

ds is just an awkward tree, on assa managing the mark sucks and on sub pressing evis feels terrible

[uneven fern]

i dont mind the eviscerate to reapply tbh

[tawdry meadow]

Recently went though a couple week process of trying all three rogue specs (I main Paladin but have geared him to 632 - so wanted some more complex/fast paced, etc)

I gotta say Subtley is just super fun, especially considering all the burst potential.

Didn’t enjoy Assassin (dots just not my thing) and while outlaw is conceptually fun the APM is just way too much.

Anyways, love Sub, and debating making it my main next season!

[uneven fern]

its not as annoying as the bug

[light imp]

yeah if you have DN up and apply a DM with a Shadowstrike you have to evis to use the DN buff or else you wont proc any DM

atleast thats the only "bug" ive noticed

[vale pine]

welcome to the sub club

[tawdry meadow]

Thanks! Your guide was super helpful

[uneven scarab]

One of us

[ivory jacinth]

When playing DS, would you say it is an optimization to cast non-flag SoD only with 1 mark left or DN up so that supercharger hits SecTech + DN empowered evisc?

[uneven scarab]

Ideally you sectech->dn

after sod

Both would be empowered by supercharger and you get tier bonus on evis

Tier bonus actually works on dn correct?

[ivory jacinth]

Yes i know, but sometimes you have SecTech SoD and dance ready but you're at 2 or 3 marks, and it feels like it could be better to finish once before entering dance

[hazy breach]

You want to supercharger sectech everytime, thats the most important

[uneven scarab]

I believe youre correct in thinking that

[ivory jacinth]

For sectech I know, my question was more about should we delay a bit sod/dance to make supercharger hit both sectech and DN as long as we are not overcapping on charges

[cursive vapor]

Totally agree with you! Subs hard to master but it is really fun once you get along with everything

[lilac stag]

Good news. Assa is as far away from a dot spec as it can get.

[uneven fern]

?

[wooden light]

I mean it's not DOTS only but if you don't manage then well you will do terrible lol

[uneven fern]

damage breakdown the dots are small yea

but everything else is really small if you dont play around the dots

so

unlucky

[lilac stag]

There’s no multi target dot management. Just spread em by slamming them into a target and play envenom simulator

[uneven fern]

there is

if pack lives long and u dont have vanish

but yeh not as much as sub in aoe

which is dumb..

[lilac stag]

You don’t slam dots into big adds on Ovi… it’s a dps loss. 😆

Great dot spec. Kekw

[uneven fern]

you dont rupture the ovi adds as sub either i thought lol

[lilac stag]

You used to actually have to manage and pay attention

[lilac stag]

Sub isn’t a dot spec

lol

[uneven fern]

okay but like what is ur point here

[lilac stag]

It’s not a dot spec. Was that not clear? It has dot damage but zero actually multi target dot management.

[uneven fern]

well no

cause we agree i just dont think you know why we agree

assa doesnt press dots for the dot damage, correct

i already said that earlier

but you do zdps if you dont top prio maintaining them

so it still has "dot spec gameplay"

[uneven scarab]

Its a fake dot spec

ofc

[uneven fern]

outside of the details breakdown

the way u actually play

[uneven scarab]

Just like affliction is a fake dot spec

[uneven fern]

the bleeds have a huge focus

[uneven scarab]

its all envenom/malefic rapture

Dots dont do dam anymore

[uneven fern]

sub has a bigger focus on dots for the damage itself than sin does but it still doesnt play as dotty

[lilac stag]

They just allow you to ignore a resource.

The great dot spec

[uneven fern]

close

they give you 20% agility

as well

[uneven scarab]

One day rupture will interact with subs kit in any possible way

[lilac stag]

Hopefully not

[uneven scarab]

Or they just remove it

[lilac stag]

Hopefully

[uneven scarab]

Im cool with either

[vale pine]

intentional, rupture does a lot of damage on sub, more than on sin

[uneven fern]

Yeh

[uneven scarab]

yes but why

[uneven fern]

i think its fine tbf im not really complaining much

[lilac stag]

some reason we have no energy for storm

[uneven fern]

im just surprised by the take that sin doesnt count as a dot spec or w.e when the entire thing falls apart instantly if u dont have good uptime

[lilac stag]

There’s zero thinking with its dot management

[uneven scarab]

well ofc it counts as a dot spec

but its fake

[uneven fern]

but there is

[lilac stag]

Brain dead.

[uneven fern]

because

you have to maintain them

[lilac stag]

Hahah

[uneven fern]

[uneven scarab]

[uneven fern]

stop thinking about your details breakdown for 2 seconds and think about how the spec actually plays

not wanting to play sin because of dot management in the rotation is a perfectly valid feeling

no reason to undermine the guy 4 it

[lilac stag]

It’s almost like you can just throw them out and let them expire if you actually need to reapply. So much management. All good.

[vale pine]

the reason why rupture is allowed to do damage is the low amount of integration with other talents

rupture on sin just does too much

[lilac stag]

And by expire I mean target dies with 24 sec rupture up.

Vs worrying if it lives 12 seconds.

[uneven fern]

right except that you rupture for more than just energy as well

and rupturing an enemy that dies too fast is a damage loss even though it gives you all that energy back

[uneven fern]

Yeh 🙃

[upper narwhal]

dots aren't allowed to do damage on dot specs because it creates an impossible balance situation where the class either has balanced AoE and doggy ST or balanced ST and cracked AoE when it can multidot. That's why Bliz made the dot specs use dots to generate resources instead of dealing damage

afflock and assa are the most obvious

[swift tinsel]

and why spriest goes through so many iterations for its aoe

because the second it gets good, its broken

[upper narwhal]

S2 DF shadow

[swift tinsel]

Almost every other tuning pass it gets they either add or subract 5% damage transfer through Psychic Link lol

[tidal python]

They should rework Assa to be an execute spec imo

[uneven scarab]

assa has execute already

they kinda are

[uneven fern]

ya

sin omega execute damage

[uneven scarab]

tbh theyre really strong in exe

Yeah

probably close second to arms

[uneven scarab]

HUGE

[uneven fern]

obv this isnt the whole story

but like

yea

sins execute is really good

[uneven scarab]

Df arms woulda won over

arms kinda ass now

Yeah so

We should give sub execute

[uneven fern]

Based.

i wanna play sub on rashanan

i just wanna play more sub in general i think, this spec is cool

still fuck outlaw tho

[uneven scarab]

Sub is baller

sub on rash is fun

sub on ovinax tho

Absolute crank hours

[tidal python]

Sub is fun in general when you can play trickster

I used to hate AoEing as sub

[uneven scarab]

I like both trees just sucks that ds is kinda jank

[uneven fern]

ds sub on ovi sounds fun

boss damager guy pogchamp

[uneven scarab]

Yeah huge prio right there

even on trickster im usually #1 boss overall

[uneven fern]

im not good enough at sub yet to play it in mythic tho i think

next patch

[uneven scarab]

it easy

I believe

[uneven fern]

yea im just bad

[uneven scarab]

[uneven fern]

i greed and scuff my flags

[uneven scarab]

i mean thats all sub right there

Get the flag window down and u win

[uneven fern]

Yeh

[uneven scarab]

if you can get the cd’s down its just backstab pov anyway

[swift tinsel]

I need to get better at finishing the transmitter task right into sectech so fitting the second one in doesn't feel so cursed

stg I feel like I get orb 2/3 of the time

[uneven scarab]

I sat on a dummy and practiced the timing for like an hour

its annoying

Just gotta get the muscle memory right

[swift tinsel]

jump is awesome, get the two right away then jump right as sectech time

Yeah, that might be what I work on today

[uneven scarab]

The soak one has a pretty easy timing

[swift tinsel]

gotta do my round of concentration burning on alts

yeah that ones gravy

[uneven scarab]

You stand in it and about 1-2 seconds you get it

[uneven fern]

sub out of cds feels so

[swift tinsel]

I added sound queues to fuu's WA that helps too

[uneven scarab]

I just pretend im a super saiyan and im gathering energy for a spirit bomb

[uneven fern]

[uneven scarab]

250k dps pov

[uneven fern]

accurate tbh

weeb spec

[uneven scarab]

The dopamine of pressing sectech makes up for all though

Fr

[wooden light]

Is it really that bad?
Sub is the only spec I haven't tried so far.
Is it as bad as Sin rogue's single target rotation ? 😅

[uneven fern]

definitely not as slow as sin since sin is kinda perma slow

but it does go sloth mode for like, one or two finishers every once in a while

lole

[uneven scarab]

Outside of cd’s all you do is press backstab and maintain rup

Get some finishers out for cdr but yeah its slow

[wooden light]

Is the single target damage any good despite this slow rotation?

[uneven scarab]

Yes very good

Sub is one of if not the burstiest st spec

All subs damage is in its cd’s though so outside of that its very slow

Super high highs and very low lows

[scarlet sandal]

Seems like not efficient in comparison with assa

But still thinking about switching to sub to try it out

[uneven scarab]

Its just different

[wooden light]

Well Assa feels a bit too strong imo.
The pure single target is a bit underwhelming but as soon as you add a few extra targets you'll easily do 3 to 4M DPS without CDs

[uneven scarab]

sub can do the same

well

You need some sort of cd’s but

Its very good

[scarlet sandal]

Y, that is the difference as I see from what you saying
It very highs and very lows
You and ppl around you should be ready to your dmg output

[uneven scarab]

You have huge burst every 1:30 and 2-3 smaller burst windows between that

[scarlet sandal]

Tim to grind some versa items 😄

[wooden light]

In M+, does sub have a good priority damage like it used to have in previous expansions? That is what made we love the spec back in Legion

[uneven scarab]

With deathstalker it has VERY good prio damage

Trickster even too

just depends on what playstyle you like

[scarlet sandal]

Actually, a good question
Sub is still tickerster?

[uneven scarab]

90% of cases yeah

But you can play ds

[lilac stag]

If you hate yourself.

[uneven scarab]

[scarlet sandal]

Based on numbers from Archon, it is trickster, but as assa im so used to DS

[uneven scarab]

Trickster is easy because if you can get the st rotation down

[scarlet sandal]

And dmg output seems to be much lower in DS

[uneven scarab]

You just repeat that in keys

[lilac stag]

Is achon filtering dot7 lots?

[uneven scarab]

Very little people also play ds

[lilac stag]

There’s no one playing the spec so a few good logs will skew things as well

[wooden light]

I really need to give sub a go then, I do not like the DS tree at all, at least when playing Assa.
Thanks for all the answers guys!

[uneven scarab]

So it’s probably very skewed yeah

[prisma geyser]

am i right in thinking, trickster never presses black powder?

[uneven scarab]

5+ targets

[cursive vapor]

on 5+ targets

[uneven scarab]

You bp as trickster

[prisma geyser]

Are sims fucked then cause my sim doesn't press black powder

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wKepYA4bFDtaQcagXsPzou
take a look

[tepid trellis]

swap away from weekly

go to nightly

[prisma geyser]

Same thing
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5aHNVoxJbRQzk1bicF8TAX

[tepid trellis]

guess that they havent pushed it to simc yet

[uneven scarab]

yeah that’s my only guess

Buff was tuesday yeah?

[lilac stag]

They haven’t pushed apl yet

[tepid trellis]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nNonyHMKji8qYpJJxvZYGo

here you go

[lilac stag]

Eleem forgot

[prisma geyser]

How did you manage that

[tepid trellis]

i have the apl

thats how

[lilac stag]

You can pull it from there.

and then you too will have it

[prisma geyser]

really appreciate that! thank you

[tepid trellis]

np

[severe prism]

In ST with DS, we only press shuriken with literally nothing up ? wowhead only says outside of dance but pinned says outside SoD

[tepid trellis]

outside of SoD

in the answer

[round latch]

not here to brag or anything because im old and im coping but called the deathstalker buff a month ago

[hazy breach]

Ive pushed it

Koji just hasnt approved it yet

Should be later today

[round latch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[round latch]

deathstalker is fairly the same as sin in Dslice and wins in ST

holymoly

sub stonks

[strange chasm]

Trickster is better

Been doing both in keys and I think personally trickster is still probably better than DS

The Cdr feels better

[tepid trellis]

"feels"

is the keyword

[uneven fern]

[round latch]

i tend to believe that trickster is still better in dslice coz its prolly smoother

but i cba coup

i dont like it so im going deathstalker

but my keys are basicly weekly babykeys

10-11s so im not a fair point rly

[supple jasper]

is there a reason to not macro shadowblades into flag?

[tepid trellis]

yes

they arent used at the same time

blades you delay for after your sectech

[supple jasper]

oops

[round latch]

the opener

u basicly never send together

(so ye what lord racoon said)

[supple jasper]

ooo ok I see now

I glossed over the opener part on wowhead and just

saw this

reading comprehension

brr

[leaden prairie]

can you explain to me why, im a bit of a noob

is it just stricly this talent

but i guess if you press bp you are also killing the funnel

[uneven fern]

pretty sure he means the numbers on the spells themselves are tuned strangely close

even single target

not like a talent thing

ds just makes it worse

[tepid trellis]

you arent tho

singular focus

goes crazy

[leaden prairie]

aaah

i see

i see

like this thing does actual damage ?

[uneven fern]

[tepid trellis]

DS has better prio than trickster

so yeah

[hazy breach]

A bit, but BP does almost as much as evis

By itself on pure ST

[leaden prairie]

i see

[sly shore]

bp + singular focus is more than an evis

2t gang

[wind canopy]

When BP is doing 80% of eviscerates

[vale pine]

just a buff away from being used on single target

[spring torrent]

how many targets should I get to before switching from gb/bs/ss to shuriken storm/tornado

[spice matrix]

Just don’t like at Fatal Intent damage

[naive hawk]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[light imp]

i miss STM legion Spriest

[uneven fern]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[limber quest]

Afternoon all, just a quick question. Are sub rogues using stones, or poisons for pve?

[uneven fern]

that isnt a choice that exists

you apply both poisons and whetstones

[limber quest]

oh I'ma silly billy

❤️ thanks

[uneven fern]

nw

[tulip token]

Stiletto is trash right?

I think I remember every rogue spec saying it was bad and to avoid it. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't some strange thing where somehow it is decent or good for sub

[alpine wraith]

yea stiletto is very bad

[tulip token]

Alright haha I thought so

[vale pine]

its not good

but embellishments are overall fairly weak

[uneven fern]

raid ds drops gloomblade for imp storm on add bosses ya?

and rs *

do u have to play rs

[elfin hound]

do i shadowstrike at 5cp?

[alpine wraith]

only if you are trickster and in dance

[wide magnet]

is there an encounter that this is actually good on btw?

pretty sure you just play st every fight

[uneven fern]

i dont know why it wouldnt be good

when like any adds are present

[wide magnet]

cuz every fight with ads they die in 2 seconds

[uneven fern]

isnt gloomblade kinda piss

[wide magnet]

idk the actual weight

of that talent point

[hazy breach]

If theres more than 1 target you absolutely need imp storm

[uneven fern]

thats what i thought

[hazy breach]

Theyre absolutely dogshit

[wide magnet]

ya

[hazy breach]

Theyre just better than imp storm that does nothing on pure ST

Gloomblade is like a 1% talent

SF is like 0.1-0.2%

But like if theres ever 2 target and you can get a bp with fw up

Its gonna be more damage than the glooms

[wide magnet]

ah yea

bp nerfs made it like 80% of an evis right

• singular focus

err

bp buffs *

ah and imp is good with ctw

ic

enables momentum

[hazy breach]

I mean it doesnt really matter

Its mostly gloom and SF being very bad

So you'd drop them first chance

[wide magnet]

that's like only silken court though right

[hazy breach]

What

[wide magnet]

ig it doesnt matter

you could do it on broodtwister

it's negligible

is bp more funnel

with singular focus

[hazy breach]

Yes

[wide magnet]

ic ic

[hazy breach]

And like, its not worth giving up all of your aoe

for 0.2% ST

[wide magnet]

is imp all of your aoe

[hazy breach]

Well it buffs your BP by like 50%

[wide magnet]

that is true

[uneven fern]

surely like brood ulgrax ovinax court

[wide magnet]

ya

[uneven fern]

dont think queen adds live long enuf

[wide magnet]

i'm just information gapped

[uneven fern]

depends how bad gloom rly is

[wide magnet]

easiest way to get information is to type incorrect things into the chat

[uneven fern]

i dont have the knowledge

to say for sure

im sub noob

[wide magnet]

this talent is broken basically

and 7cp black powder is almost == 5cp evis

so 7cp black powder 2tar is == 10cp evis

so it's gucci

but that's only true if all targets have find weakness

so imp value v good

esp because you can guarantee fw w/ the rotten

(of which you want to do with the 2nd stack because shuriken storm eats 2 stacks)

have people been enjoying deathstalker in m+ btw?

[wanton oar]

What's the benefit of doing shadow blades after secret technique in the opener for single target? Does it matter if I just blow them all together like the multi target?

[hazy breach]

You already get full CP anyway with premed from your previous strike

So you dont need to press blades until you need to build again

Because blades doesnt work on sectech clones anyway

[weary saffron]

^

[tribal blade]

you guys might want to possibly put this in the pins, it's asked in here so much

[tepid trellis]

why is that necessary

[wind canopy]

To save you guys the hassle of having to answer it a bunch of times each day

[tepid trellis]

then it just becomes something else they ask about

people are gonna find out sectech doesent work with blades

and now they are gonna ask it in reverse

[teal coral]

WHAT SECTEC DOESNT WORK WITH BLADES?

[wind canopy]

Should see all the other shit that doesn't work with sub

[wanton oar]

Thanks! So why is multi target not the same? (shadow blades after sectech)

[tepid trellis]

prolly is worth to still delay it for after sectech

dont see why you wouldnt

[tribal blade]

i'm playing DS in heroic alt raid, and i have to say i'm having a blast

i feel dirty

[tepid trellis]

doing big dam = fun

[tribal blade]

so

true

[tepid trellis]

good gameplay can only carry so far

if there aint results behind it

you are gonna get burned out

[wanton oar]

Cool thanks 😀 . One other thing I don't understand is why not delay sectech until after an eviserate (swap sectech with first eviserate) with danse macabre?

[tepid trellis]

you dont do that to fit 2 sectech into Transmitter

so you need to instantly Sectech

only matters for transmitter cds

[wanton oar]

Aweseme, thank you.

[tepid trellis]

rules of sectech change in a few different ways
first it depends on what hero talent you are playing
second it depends on if its a big cds go or not
trickster has alot more nuance to its sectech use since it used to get Coup de grace stacks

where as DS is alot more straightforward

[brisk onyx]

does DS cast a dry symbol and sectech?

or only dry symbol

[hazy breach]

Technically sectech does more than an evis yes but if it ever screws up your timings its not worth it

And its significantly less damage than as trickster since you dont get 2 unseen blades

[brisk onyx]

Now I usually want sectech and DN evis to align the two supercharges, is this right?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[brisk onyx]

ty , very uncomfortable after switching from trickster to DS.

How big if i tracked the MoD buff to cast bp in ST? or is it not worth it?

[tribal blade]

BP doesn't do enough in pure ST to beat evis

[round latch]

[rough sigil]

Hey all, I am failing hard in these 12 keys keeping up with damage. I am constantly feeling like I am behind the curve especially now that I upgraded my gear. I am still running trickster. Should I be switching to DS. Siege of Boralus is my biggest culprit, I barely drop a mill dps compared to my like 1.4-1.7 overall in other dungeons. I can't seem to keep my damage up in this dungeon at all.

[round latch]

there are so many factors that can kill ur dps

havent tried sub in sob yet but as sin im 1.4-1.5mil territory

and that is if the tank doesnt 3mob chainpull

[hazy breach]

Nothing in particular should make siege a low overall dungeon, sounds like you might be holding your cooldowns too much

Or just not doing your cooldown window correctly, those are prob the most common

[rough sigil]

its just so odd considering any other dungeon I don't have that issue. I don't particularly think I am holding CDs unless it is a smol pull before something big coming up/ boss.

[round latch]

uptime is the only thing i can think of,like u press ur cds and not actually spend time hitting stuff while at it

[tribal blade]

try not holding your cds at all unless the pack is almost dead

sub rogue does so much damage in cds

also if you're doing 12s don't spread as much ruptures

before going into cds

[rough sigil]

I will continue to feel it out but man this feels odd. Specifically that dungeon.

[round latch]

study it fam

[rough sigil]

Definitely will take that with me too, I might be spreading too many prior to starting my dmg

[round latch]

open a dungeon guide check it out,pull after pull

[tribal blade]

check how much dmg the other dps are doing to the gutters

those small shitter mobs that die fast

it inflates dps by quite a bit if you're able to pad on them

[hazy breach]

But for example if you have flag and blades on the pack before the second boss, you should probably just send it instead of holding for the boss

[tribal blade]

it's pretty hard to sit on cds as sub

[hazy breach]

Sure your boss dps will be lower, but rawdogging that pull without flag for 60s is gonna be horrid

[tribal blade]

it's not like sin where you can hold cds and still blast packs

[round latch]

u two boys need to stream

i wanna see ur stuff

[hazy breach]

I recorded my mist 16 but i had some scuffed settings so the quality is not good at all (and I played poorly )

Ive been mostly stuck trying to time grimbas now which is assa territory

[round latch]

np,pass on the tech my man,i was engaged in the past,this is nothing

[hazy breach]

Maybe i just go sicko mode and try some sub in grimba anyway despite Iron wire being broken

[tribal blade]

i'm not pushing for the rest of the season, don't feel like it anymore 😉

plus it's really dead on NA side

[round latch]

[tribal blade]

don't have the same drive i used to

feels nice to be able to chill out

[round latch]

yup its redeeming

[tribal blade]

i would keep going if i had a team

[hazy breach]

Idk i havent really found pugging to be that bad

Up until recently when the issue is that the keys i need just dont exist in the group finder

Or atleast theyre very rare

[wind canopy]

Feel like EU, there's a lot more interest in pushes than NA?

[tribal blade]

yeah EU is a lot less dead than NA

at least it looks like it from the leaderboards

[round latch]

Yeah alot more ppl gaming in EU,bigger market as well

[tribal blade]

on NA

queue right now

it's like actually dead

[wind canopy]

It is also a holiday weekend atm

[tribal blade]

although it is the holiday weekend right now

[wind canopy]

YEP

[tribal blade]

but even when it's not

it's not really hopping

[round latch]

not logged atm but there should be like 5-8 groups in EU in that range most of the times

[still quartz]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[radiant haven]

new to sub is it normal to be completely energy starved outside of cds in keys? it feels terrible i have to be doing somethinbg wrong

[hazy breach]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[hazy breach]

Could definitely be doing something wrong, but it should be very starved outside cds

[tribal blade]

if you're not used to it it feels like complete ass

just gotta take a deep breath and accept your fate

(and try to make sure you get into keys with a shammy 😉

[alpine wraith]

you do get used to it

just put some music on blast and outside cds just move your head side to side

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[orchid nest]

so is BP now worth spamming in keys and go deathstalker? or whats the talents this time around

[alpine wraith]

you can go deathstalker yes

but it is close to trickster anyway

just play what you enjoy more

[orchid nest]

BP worth actually pressing now? or still pretty dog shit damage?

[tribal blade]

BP has now received in total 55% damage increase since the start of TWW

so it's very good to press now 😉

[orchid nest]

ok kool, i was still playing as if i shouldnt, is it 3+? i use

[vale pine]

haha, you can say bp is good now

or that evis is not that strong

[orchid nest]

i was watching kush use on 2+ targets, but i think he was testing

[pliant topaz]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[alpine wraith]

you use bp on 2 as deathstalker

as trickster at 4 it is worth with fw and to get DM once and at 5+ always if FW is up

[tribal blade]

would it make sense for them to redistribute our damage? like take some away from other sources and buff evis

[vale pine]

i don't think its needed, if they want to buff aoe they can do something like a per target scaling on BP

[lilac stag]

So all three specs use a st finisher all the time.

We were there for a month

[vale pine]

it is by design

thats why its weird that blade flurry on sin was designed diffrently

it got more or less the "best" bf

[lilac stag]

mmhm

Nothing but the best non dot abilities for the dot spec

[tribal blade]

my hope is we see more good sub changes before the next tier

or going into next tier

[vale pine]

i think sub is fun, so lets hope so

[sinful sluice]

is there an WA that tells whether if that person is ready for dispel or not on court

[round latch]

Sub is gonna be the next big thing

called it 1st of december

[vale pine]

the big season 2 questions will be:

• Is there a strong 90 sec trinket?
• Is the new tier set bonus good?
• Will Raid design continue how it is currently?
  • Current Design: 120 sec intervals on earlier fights, 90 sec intervals on last 2-3.

[pliant topaz]

theres a macro with the liquid pack

[keen dome]

Super curious about the S2 tier set and what it'll be. Also, most importantly: is it gonna look good

[cerulean beacon]

I was hesitant at first but it really is a fun iteration of the spec, especially trickster

Just could use some polishing and bug fixing

[lilac stag]

Something something cdr / dance

[keen dome]

Goblin theme'd rogue set though

What if it's BOMBS

[worn cape]

My goblin rogue has been waiting for this moment.

And to get revenge on Gallywix

[tribal blade]

outlaw gets.. guns?

sin gets poison vials n shit

[keen dome]

They could do some really funny stuff with goblin theme'd set bonuses

[tribal blade]

i dunno what sub gets themed taht way

[keen dome]

Goblin shadow ninjas

I'm more curious what it'll visually look like at this point than the set bonus, but I am an outfit fiend.

[vagrant thorn]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[cursive vapor]

Not a big fan of goblin themed sets tbh

[tribal blade]

i really like tmog too, but if we have to play an entire tier with a dogshit tier set bonus i'll cry

[keen dome]

truth

[lilac stag]

Dog shit trinket will be worse Imo

Imagine no 90 and transmitter getting nerfed with new tier.

[tribal blade]

yeah it'll be interesting to see what happens if we don't get a 90 second trinket

if it becomes the cursed 2 min trink play that'll be horrible

[hoary sun]

Coup not giving slice n dice is ruining the whole vibe holy shit man

Like why not

[vestal escarp]

Cause it's not eviscerate (it is)

[hoary sun]

Bruh

[patent crystal]

Real question is, do we see any bug fixes in s2?

[hoary sun]

Rs has been bugged for 1 year now ain't no fixes coming

[keen dome]

It's gonna be fixed and we're going to get poison toggle.

It's gonna happen. I can feel it.

[vale pine]

i wouldn't mind if poisons lasted longer

[sinful sluice]

Sub vs Assa on court, what do you guys think?

Im doing webs btw

[hazy breach]

Unironically think it doesnt matter, play what you prefer

[vale pine]

play what you are comfortable with, beeing comfortable is a big bonus

[hazy breach]

The only fights where theres a clear "best spec" right now is ovinax and rashanan for assa, besides those 2 you can find all 3 specs in top logs

[sinful sluice]

I feel comfi playing both, but my idea was: Assa does more dmg overall, but sub is better on fights where you have to spend your cds on exact timings

And i thought court was exactly like that

[hazy breach]

I mean assa doesnt really do more damage overall

Is my point

[sinful sluice]

I guess im doing something worng with my sub rotations then..

My sub logs are miserable

[cerulean beacon]

Do you guys in general save flag/blades only for bigger packs? I.e. save up on cds when the last remains of the pack are dying or during a fight with like 2 mobs with a bigger pack ahead

[hazy breach]

We do so little damage outside cds

So its typically just send them on cooldown

(as long as theyre not wasted, aka you have something to hit throughout the entire cooldown)

But you gotta make sure you always have enough dance+symbols charges to get 2 of each in blades+flag

For which the rule of thumb is to have atleast roughly 40s left on your second charge when you press flag

[tribal blade]

during heroic alt raid today the prot pally in my guild asked in discord "i'm playing lightsmith, who wants to get my buff" and then he proceeded to say he was gonna give it to the arcane mage in my guild because "i know nobody will be able to beat his burst on pull"

i didn't say anything because doing a lot of damage means so much to this mage, he really loves topping meters, so i didn't want to be that guy to burst his bubble

[hazy breach]

[jaunty umbra]

so clueless lol

[tribal blade]

and then during the opener on every pull i was on top heehee

i love the guy, so i really didn't want to take away what he had going for himself

but sub rogue do be sub rogue in cds

[keen dome]

So thoughtful, haha. That's pretty sweet not to burst his ubble.

[tribal blade]

oh man he really takes it to heart, like whenever we have a prog kill on a hard boss and he doesn't get a good parse he's always pretty down right after the kill

and when we kill a hard prog boss and he has a great parse he's ECSTATIC afterwards

i used to kind of be the same way, but i don't really give a shit anymore

a kill is a kill

[keen dome]

Haha, that's adorable. But yeah that's my feeling. Parses are for farm. Kill is a kill and nothing else matters if you get the kill.

If you lived the whole fight and it was your first kill, that's a goddamn win

[worn cape]

Yeah being alive on a first kill is a better feeling than a good parse for me

[sinful sluice]

yeah i thought i was doing that but somehow my dmg is just really sad to watch

[junior prawn]

Is DS the play in M+ or is trickster still a bit better ?

[sinful sluice]

[keen dome]

Don't worry, every parse will be better than my ulgrax parse

I'm here making sure every Sub is getting a better parse on that boss.

[sinful sluice]

challenge accepted

[vestal escarp]

Me on ulgrax on last reclear "ok im gonna send 1.30 on adds"

[keen dome]

No I think mine is lower hang on.

There are 1,284 parses and I am parse 1280.

I'm really proud of how stupid this is.

[sinful sluice]

idk, i have fine parse on sikran but i struggle to do any better on other bosses

maybe im just terrible at allocating cds cuz i only practiced on training dummies based on wowhead guide

[keen dome]

It's a lotta practice and I feel like it's gonna be different depending on your kill times too.

[mortal crag]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Bugs - Subtlety Rogue

[thin lion]

Numerically DS is better I think but only by a small margin, and I think it depends a bit on the Dungeon
But both are playable

Personally I Like trickster more because i feel Like its Playstyle is way smoother, but I am certain there are people who like the DS playstyle more
So to conclude this, play what suits your style better

[earnest prairie]

Hello! Kinda a stupid question but I was wondering if anything changed on raidbots/to the APL for sub the past few days? I am simming considerably lower then I was on weds/thursday and I just want to make sure I haven't done something wrong

[vale pine]

we implemented some bugs

i probably should make a pin

[haughty mural]

the biggest what if is the trinket section imo
some fights are always somewhat in cd favor or have burst heavy phases

(tier sets i set my bar low, so I hopefully get surprised like this tier)

[vale pine]

Simulation updates
If your sim is lower today, thats because simulationcraft now implements some in game bugs.
The apl should be up to date now too, so there is no need to use a custom apl anymore if you used one.
You can find the changelog of the sim > here <

What bugs?

• Shadowcraft appears to trigger the Energy resource energize twice from Shadow Techniques
• Darkest Night buff prevents consuming stacks of Deathstalker's Mark at 3 or below

Note: Simulations in !fuu/ !sheet are up to date.

[keen dome]

This is a really funny thing out of context.

[vale pine]

haha ye

i guess thats fine

[heavy compass]

Yo guys, so I have a question about the finerys.
I didnt do a normal or heroic raid lst week and progressed queen on myhtic so didnt kill any bosses so did ofcourse not get any finerys last week.
I did heroic last night and got 12, and then I did some normal bosses but nothing dropped, I dont have any alts, does this mean I cant get more finerys this week?

[sullen hare]

Rookie stats, you gotta pump those numbers down

[keen dome]

Right??

I gotta go for the 1285 spot

[sullen hare]

I don't know about that finery question. I have a couple of alts so I'm just overflowing with the damn things

[brisk onyx]

sry what does this mean?

Shadowcraft appears to trigger the Energy resource energize twice from Shadow Techniques

[half comet]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[plush roost]

Can try LFR, or have a rat alt clear basically

Its a little sketchy if you miss a week ngl

[plush roost]

Yes, Shadowcraft essentially doubles your Shadow Techniques when they proc. Its why you're almost never out pf energy during SoD

[hazy breach]

Instead of sht giving 4 energy

It gives 4+4 during symbols

(or 7/14 if improved)

[lilac stag]

You can only kill 8 bosses account wide. Some people are able to do more (unintentionally) on alts. Best bet is to level an alt to 80. Run lfr and collect 4-6 finery per boss via catch-up mechanic before you kill anything on main that week.

[idle aurora]

Man I just got a veteran transmitter that of course sims 5% higer than 626 trinkets lol. But man using transmitter at the start of a very small burst window feels AWFUL

[lilac stag]

sorry you feel that way

burst window isn't that small. its also cracked.

[sullen hare]

Me and my besties, transmitter and a double dance burst window, having a cute picnic

[half comet]

u give up shuriken tornado for VT but if u want TFD u give up WM?

[alpine wraith]

you always use tfd in m+

the only change likely is just tornado for vt

if you dont like tornado

[ornate berry]

WM is meme, TFD is bangin

[lilac stag]

Some folks don’t like picnics I guess.

[alpine wraith]

oh the logo changed

[uneven scarab]

Chrimas time

[modest river]

what flask we using in raids btw?

[hazy breach]

Alchemical typically

[modest river]

ty

[hazy breach]

But vers or mastery is fine too

Very little difference

[light imp]

i like alchemical cause tempered pot will give all 4 stats

[modest river]

does it? or active stat?

[alpine wraith]

yea alchemical always

big D

[light imp]

all 4

[modest river]

ah ok

then it makes sense

[light imp]

you can high roll 7k mastery is you're lucky to get mastery stat with tempered potion rolling

[hazy breach]

Tempered pot gives all the stats you dont have a tempered flask for. So if you have vers flask you only get mast+crit+haste whereas alchemical isnt considered a tempered flask so it will give you all 4

[light imp]

^

[modest river]

perfect, thank you

that makes sense in my head now, im just really aloof about things that arent rotation

[teal night]

does anyone have that SoD macro to not spam press, I keep forgetting to make it

[wind canopy]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[teal night]

Thanks!

[sly shore]

They need to increase dance cdr

miserable

[alpine wraith]

they will bandage it up with season 2 tier set

dont worry we can keep being forgotten

after the DS buffs

now im scared

[sly shore]

2p > Shadow dance gains 0.2s more cdr per combo point spent

[hazy breach]

Its gonna be dance getting procced/extended with blades or flag

[alpine wraith]

if we get denial it will be so silly

[sly shore]

I would like denial ngl

[alpine wraith]

same delet rotten

[sly shore]

just cos the durations of flag and sb don't align

[alpine wraith]

put denial there

or make goremaw have same effect of supercharger

copy paste

ez

CTRL C

CTRL V

[vale pine]

+1 this

tho it works fine on trickster

[orchid venture]

Whoa, new server icon?

When did this happen?

Oh it's a santa. That's fun

[iron fjord]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plush roost]

Need more profile pictures with poorly photoshopped santa hats smh

[alpine wraith]

if someone makes one of mine i will put it uo

im horrible with PH

[lilac stag]

send me the pict

[sullen hare]

I'm on mobile at the bar watching the Texans game but you'll see my poorly photoshopped Santa hat variant afterwards

[vale pine]

today^^ its a santa hat

[orchid venture]

I like it. Very festive

[plush roost]

same

The christmas tree daggers

were a real nice touch

[uneven fern]

i like the new winter veil daggers

better than the trees tbh

cute candycane

[mystic bough]

@alpine wraith I was snooping around your videos to help me understand some things better (thanks for that) But if you don't mind me asking what is the addon for those dps numbers with icons?

[alpine wraith]

which one the one that shows the number on nameplates or smth else

[mystic bough]

The icon of the spell used with the overall damage instead of flooding your screen with damage numbers.

[alpine wraith]

nameplatesct i think then

[vale pine]

not hacha but i assume its https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nameplate-scrolling-combat-text

[mystic bough]

Yeah that looks like the one, thanks guys.

[alpine wraith]

thx scath now

going festive

[sly shore]

yeah only cos coup is so much extra cp

[alpine wraith]

coup the godgiven gift after it was fixed

cool it only took 2 months

or 3

[lilac stag]

Welcome. It came out nice. Wasn’t sure if the snow would show up.

[alpine wraith]

yea it looks cool

[lilac stag]

RS says hold my eggnog

[alpine wraith]

RS is like one of those bullies now

that is hitting you every day or two

and the teachers just tell IT IS JUST A KID PROBLEM

so you have to take it

[iron fjord]

does that mean we are playing trickster?

[iron fjord]

regarding this

[alpine wraith]

does not change anything

ST is still deathstalker

for m+/aoe both are kinda close unless you do super pulls

then deathstalker is a bit ahead

[iron fjord]

sadge

[vale pine]

yes?

[alpine wraith]

it is an old bug just was not implemented because we were silly thinking it was oing to get fixed

like they did before

[vale pine]

Difference between Hero Talents:
Single target: 8% -> 3%
Dungeon Slice: 3% -> 4%

is the change in sim

so trickster is a lot closer now

[alpine wraith]

but they decided fuck sub

[glad raven]

Am i just bad or is sin way better than sub in keys?

[woeful barn]

Loving sub again. Not even sure why maybe nostalgia.

[alpine wraith]

not way better but enough if you are not min maxing sub

[uneven fern]

sin is better but both are pretty good honestly

[alpine wraith]

and even then it has cooler things

[glad raven]

Im bad then lol

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/nelson-martin-golpe-cloruro-sodio-gif-17890980

petition to rename RS to Nelson?

[alpine wraith]

likely but you can get better at least

AHAHA

[woeful barn]

The thing is. When you learn sub that’s when you learn rogue.

You don’t even play rogue with the other two specs

[lilac stag]

eh?

[woeful barn]

It’s a meme

[lilac stag]

really good one

[woeful barn]

Used to be true years ago