subtlety

[warm aspen]

with this fking game u usually gotta wait for like an entire tier to get any help lol

so grateful for death perception and supercharger

[vestal escarp]

we still waiting

[pliant topaz]

u do realize sub and rogue as a whole litealrly got nothing going into tww right?

and the "rework" youre talking about was the removal of the most impactful ability in the entire subs kit

[warm aspen]

OOOOOH you mean this is literally just them turning in late homework?

lmao nevermind then

but hey, still glad it happened tbh

[pliant topaz]

its about 10% of what every other spec got in tww

[warm aspen]

i'll take what i can get man, anything over actually having to reroll

[vestal escarp]

ret still blasting even without lego

got a huge mastery rework

[warm aspen]

just wonder how long it'll take WoW to get into a proper balancing rhytme like riot lol, since they seem to be trying for that now

like, steady 2 week pure balance patches that are actually thought-out

[tribal blade]

the beta cycle for rogue was pretty bad

[warm aspen]

i've always disliked the idea that you can't nerf/buff classes too much just bcuz the game is an MMO

[tribal blade]

actually not pretty bad, really bad

[warm aspen]

like, to play league at any non-dog level you gotta pour countless hour into champions too, and onetricks getting nerfed is just as impactful as ur main toon in an MMO getting gutted

there's no REAL reason to go light on wow balancing other than "less work to do"

[pliant topaz]

it wont be like that

wow is fundamentally very different than league

these are characters people gear and invest into

you cant have giant balancing patches that shift the meta

[warm aspen]

again, I feel like that's always been a super disingenuous argument

bcuz you need to grind league even more than wow to actually get good

[pliant topaz]

getting good is irrelevent u have the freedom to change your champion every game

u cant reroll and get max gear every day in wow

[warm aspen]

technically u can change ur champ every game, but you'll never rank up on a champ u don't master

balance changes/meta shifts are giga-detrimental to both "competency needed to hit CE/title" and "competency needed to hit masters+", and completely irrelevant to any lower goals, so I tend to think in those terms right

[pliant topaz]

thats not really a valid argument

because u do have the option

still

u being a 1 trick

is not a valid excuse

[warm aspen]

basically learning a new champ pool is just as hard if not harder than max gearing a new char in WoW, yet league still forces people to do that bcuz it

is the fair thing to do

for balance

is what im saying

[pliant topaz]

thats also not true

because u can hit challenger on any champion in leaguye

because solo q exists

regardless of the meta

[warm aspen]

uhhhhhh

[pliant topaz]

i hit gm as zed when it had litearlly 46% wr

while getting perma sniped

[warm aspen]

there were 0 garen mains in challenger for like

[warm depot]

beast mode

[warm aspen]

6 years

no

[pliant topaz]

but there are now

there are garen one tricks

teemop one tricks

[warm aspen]

yeah bcuz he's actually strong now

[pliant topaz]

sure, but its not the meta

its not broken

its viable

and 100% of classes in wow right now are viable for most contents such as mythic raid / pvp / delves / m+s until 15s/ etc

[warm aspen]

oh yeah i think that actually kinda helps my point even more lol

like more strict but fair balancing technically doesn't force ppl to reroll right

it's just that ppl are naturally dramatic

and blizz caters to people who are objectively wrong

to keep farming sub money

[warm depot]

i think slower cadence with more meaningful balance is better

league intentionally balances often because they choose certain champs to balance

they also have to pick and choose from a roster of >100 vs wows like 13 classes or whatever

even with specs its <50

[pliant topaz]

i kinda agree with stella. league enforcing metas is different than wow enforicing meta.

the goal for league isnt every champ is perfectly balance

the goal for wow is that every spec is viable for most content the game is offering

but then with any competitive game, if you have LFG based systems u can get what u get now

like this is litearlly hwat i sent wjhispyr today

[smoky aspen]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

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[pliant topaz]

but its not just m+ community. its just any competitive game

[uneven fern]

you can equip two of the same dagger right

or no

[pliant topaz]

yes unless theyre uniquely equipped

[uneven fern]

fuck im in sub channel sorry

still fits here tho

[uneven fern]

kk cool

[tribal blade]

that's fucking hilarious

there's no way you kick a 3k rogue for playing sub

for an 11

[tepid trellis]

id kick you from my key as well

rat

[tribal blade]

the raccoon has spoken

[pliant topaz]

based i wish there were 2 of me so i could kick the other one too

[pliant topaz]

i might start pushing soon!

22nd of nov

[spark tusk]

whispyr showing up in sub chat only in a screenshot

[hazy breach]

Ive started some light pushing, havent done much sub though

Tried sub is mists and it was alright but im too used to 2 min timer so sometimes i goof my cds

[merry agate]

When guy said new sub is kino

[pliant topaz]

i kinad like sub in some of these keys ngl

i really like it in cot/mist/nw

db too

[errant ferry]

I mean, they absolutely do. It’s not right, but that’s how the cookie crumbles and it damn disappointing

[errant ferry]

My sub struggle atm is being in a pull that’s halfway dead and CDs come up. I don’t know if I should send or not. Sometimes I do send and it does so fast I regret it. Sometimes I don’t send and I do less damage than the tank. But when the CDs are lining up right with pulls it’s magical

Sometimes you’re in a dungeon and it’s like the stars aligned and the CD timings are perfect. That’s so beautiful

[short radish]

sub in keys when you can take advantage of TFD

is fucking great

when you can't take advantage of it as much

kinda not as great

need to reduce it by like

2 seconds

because it takes 3 seconds to drop combat or something

[tribal blade]

yo huge!

i broke 3k the other day

i wanna run some sub keys too

it's been hella fun in 10-12s

[pliant topaz]

huge gz!

btw u guys wanna see brust? my friend sent me from their sikran today. this is their shamans dps after lust was over so 40 seconds in the fight

top one is totemic bottom is storm

[pliant topaz]

he did show up a few weeks ago to bana doomer

[tribal blade]

oh ok so coup can completely bug out and stop being used for an entire fight

BEAUTIFUL

just did heroic court and couldn't cast coup the entire fight

[spark tusk]

yeah

it happens if you get a lag spike at exactly the right moment

(or, wrong moment)

[tribal blade]

ahhh i see

well it's a good thing i play with 200 ms

smile

how bad is it i still beat some people on my raid team

with not being able to cast coup the entire fight

[hazy breach]

Tbf sub isnt very far behind that

Big burst = big fun

[pliant topaz]

i dont think it can do 2.9M dps by the time its done 122M damage tbh

but maybe

[tepid trellis]

Had a 4.3 mil burst last raid

Was at 3.1 40 sec in

But that was with grocests amount of rng I’ve ever had

[pliant topaz]

bro used illegal racoon powers

[light imp]

I had a tank with less than 100 more io than the group average say 'im not doing a key with such low ios' and the leave after being invited. The M+ community is infact that toxic

[lucid jackal]

[hazy breach]

[tribal blade]

damn that's cold

[tribal blade]

hey i need that, gimme that

i fucked up, i finally got a myth track dagger but i'm 1 upgrade off being able to max it out to 639

so i have to wait for next week

AHHHHHH

[warm aspen]

i mean if he's lower io currently but walks in wearing a previous season title

[warm aspen]

lul we had the same 11 mist dps yesterday

and same crest issue today

i got my dagger upgraded but im 75/90 for spark craft lol

[open vortex]

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[warm aspen]

taking me like 4 weeks to go from 625 to 630 lmao

[prisma stump]

Whats the reason we vanish after first evis ?

[warm aspen]

premed

[lucid jackal]

SS does bonus damage, and also, the alternative is you press backstab 5 times

[prisma stump]

Understood.,

And are we still only doing 2 x dance in opener ?

[warm aspen]

uh we're doing 2x dance every flag

and u happen to have flag in opener xD

[prisma stump]

Haha, gotcha. Ty!

[warm aspen]

yeah and ur gonna have to send a symbol without dance

to get 2 dances back by flag cd

[prisma stump]

Thattle be after my 2 x dances I'm guessing

[warm aspen]

ngl it doesn't rly matter

[prisma stump]

Just send when available

[warm aspen]

no like, u gotta skip one dance some time from 1st to 2nd flag

it can be at any time

[prisma stump]

Alright, just always have 2 dances for flag

[warm aspen]

but it's easiest to basically remember not send dance wehn flag < 25 sec

but if u hold the 2nd single dance after opener for example, it's still the same effect right

[tame terrace]

so we still need to be sending naked symbols sometimes huh

[steel horizon]

you still cast sectec with it every time. never symbols w/o sectec

even though you will have 1 sectec w/o dance every 1:30

[warm aspen]

even if u do sectech it ain't that much dmg lol

[tame terrace]

OH

oh ok

got it

danceless sec techs huh

[warm aspen]

i think this is actually the only remaining issue left to sort out with sub

the naked symbol

[steel horizon]

its just because we dont have enough cdr on dance

even though we have a lot of cdr now with supercharger and coup fixed

[warm aspen]

i mean with the way current dance works

[steel horizon]

still not enough lol

[warm aspen]

we'll NEVER have enough cdr

the diminishing return of % remaining cd scaling

so yikes man

i think bringing dance back to like 0.7/0.8 sec per cp like b4

[steel horizon]

thatd be nice

[warm aspen]

and maybe more

but yeah current version is just a little cooked

[steel horizon]

fuggit just make it 1 second lol

better than pre 11.05 at least

[warm aspen]

we kinda dont wanna live in perma dance tho

it's honestly pretty awkward

obviously the easy solution is just static 30 sec dance and 30 sec sectech

[steel horizon]

Yeah if it was 1 second then we would be holding symbols instead

[lilac stag]

we don’t need to be always dancing. Makes everything worse, and the cdr in keys / aoe vs st is one of the pain points

[warm aspen]

ultimately cdr itself is the issue right

with the "building to 2 stack" core mechanic of the spec

[lilac stag]

it’s improved this go around

[warm aspen]

i think cdr makes more sense for a spec that's all about firing everything on cooldown

[lilac stag]

and playing around sod/sectech is a nice change

[warm aspen]

like law

or df s1's sub

and yeh current version is nice, just the last little hitch to sort out

is actually gonna require drastic changes

[lilac stag]

I’m more concerned about maybe cdr adjustments come 11.1 when tier changes

[lucid jackal]

Sub feels perfect rn

[steel horizon]

Man all i want rn is the RS bug fix. Shit drives me nuts

That would be enough for me lool

[lilac stag]

rs is pain

[steel horizon]

So many wasted generators

[lilac stag]

Dropping premed & rs and taking crit felt way better

[steel horizon]

I heckin love premed lol

[warm aspen]

yup same

[warm aspen]

but i dont think our current tier deals in cp gen tho right, so do you mean we might get even more cp with next tier and have issues that way?

[lilac stag]

Rs just that big of an annoyance.

[lilac stag]

The big dmg amp from Sectech

[lucid jackal]

Dropped a fucking bomb on queen todayu

[lilac stag]

But no idea what replaces tier so just have to wait and see

[warm aspen]

yeah but that doesn't deal with cp gen right

and wouldn't trickster still want to sectech first just to a coup in dance

[lilac stag]

Dance feels good right now because Evis claps

[warm aspen]

i mean dance feels good in general compared to doing half of ur prot pali's dps out of cds

and it's not like blizz is gonna let tier set be unusably bad, they already showed that with OL

[lilac stag]

Out of cds should be meh.

[warm aspen]

oh yeah ofc

[lilac stag]

but the balancing act that is dance uptime vs bigger finishers is where the struggle tends to happen.

I’ll take a dry symbols to keep dance feeling good

[spark tusk]

big guy big guy

[warm aspen]

yeah, i think im just being perfectionist in terms of like

the logic of designing

since cdr is kinda weird for a spec that's about lining up cds

[lilac stag]

Fix deathstalker without trashing trickster gameplay.

That should be the design challenge

[warm aspen]

LUL deathstalker is just cooked im afraid

i SWEAR, the whole "mark one target" and "only 7 cp" thing

feels like something straight out of vanilla wow

[lilac stag]

im just glad tricky spec is fun. Thats been missing for too long.

[lucid jackal]

Sub good

[warm aspen]

actually super incredible to me that blizz comes thru for us so quickly

armin was telling me abou the beta/prepatch fiasco i missed

but this is such a step up from bfa lmao

[lilac stag]

this is a close second to dfa for me

[warm aspen]

i will say though, dragonflight season 1 was the only time the cdr on dance REALLY made sense

[lilac stag]

It’s chill and rewarding for paying attention to cds

[warm aspen]

that whole "send on cd" gameplay

[amber ocean]

when mandate and transmitter somewhat line up around 4:30 we just sit on mandate until after the flag window right

dumb question but big number monkey brain

[vital terrace]

are the race sims trolling? for sub

[lucid jackal]

?

[vital terrace]

Like what is that

[warm aspen]

what site is this lol

[vital terrace]

bloodmallet

[warm aspen]

LOL

HAHAHAHAH

bro look at their trinket

that site is so cooked

[vital terrace]

lol

[warm aspen]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[warm aspen]

scroll down for more accurate race sims

[vital terrace]

ty

[warm aspen]

ngl tho

the dmg isn't rly what we look for lol

[vital terrace]

I know

It's neglible, utility matters more

and also looking good is a damage increase ofc

I was only curious

[warm aspen]

👍 👍

[plush roost]

!fuu

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[shell lance]

What’s this ui ElVui?

[tough knot]

Yes, looks like elvui bars

[honest grail]

Game trying to turn me into a sub main

[warm aspen]

DANG that would be hard af choice for me lol

curious how ur gears look

[honest grail]

Well I don't need vers mast this I know for sure

I either take gloves or belt and catalyze it

[warm aspen]

oh dang that's fucked lol, u got the daggers i want, i got the one u prolly want

gimme more versa!

[honest grail]

Honestly this xpac has been so horrible for me in terms of weapons I'm just glad I got a dagger at all

[warm aspen]

aren't all expacs horrible in terms of weapons lol

crafted weapons legit lifesaver for this game overall tbh

[tribal blade]

stat budget on weps isn't that high

at least

so long as you have daggers taht don't have haste on em that's good enough

[vale pine]

!fuu

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[proper latch]

!bugs

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[fiery garnet]

Lads, i need an advice...

Vault:
Mythic shoulders, I have Hero
Vs
Hero Mad queens, I have Hero reaper and transmitter

Would u choose myth shoulders or the trinket? Shoulders sim more at 639 but I aint sure it shows the Real gain for mad queens

[plucky sphinx]

Sorry for the phone picture it's not my pc, why is this belt showing as so much better than my current one? Did I fuck up my pawstring?

[lucid jackal]

Pawn kinda sucks

But yeah

That'd be why

[plucky sphinx]

Is there a guide anywhere? I'm not sure where I'm screwing it up. Or you have another suggestion for figuring out which gear is an upgrade?

[vale pine]

raidbots

you download the simcraft addon

then type /simc in game

then paste the text in top gear

select options

and click the button to compare gear

[plucky sphinx]

Thanks ill do that, I've been having trouble with raidbots because I'm missing some slots still. And they say it doesn't work as well at a lower level? Staying at lvl 19

[pliant arrow]

Judgning by ur gear in those pictures, youre way too low level to start caring about gear really. While leveling just put on the highest item level gear

[plucky sphinx]

Friend and I are twinking at 19 for a bit

[pliant arrow]

Then just farm WoD warforged gear or tbc triple socket gear

[plucky sphinx]

Thanks ill do exactly that! Is pawn really not that good for figuring out gear shizz? Seems awkward to use raidbots because I can't see at a glance in game what's better

[fallow nimbus]

Get highest itemlvl with agility on it

All sim stuff doesn't matter for lowlevel

[vale pine]

if you are leveling, just take the highest item level

if you have the option to choose, can take master/vers over other stats

but there is in general no reason to min/max gear during your leveling process

[blazing cedar]

Good morning, is dslice accurate for DPS or its just used to sim gear? Since i get around the same DPS in Dslice for assa and sub

[sweet summit]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike > Haste

[sweet summit]

fug

[half comet]

!fuu

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[tribal blade]

you really want as many myth track items as possible

and if you're not on a raid team you (almost) never want to pick a hero track item over a myth track one

[fair anchor]

Hello, out of curiosity, how long would you hold on dance if you have sectec ready and a mech is coming that having dance for would be good ?

[half comet]

i sthe pin still accurate? deathstalker and trickster are similar in ST?

[lucid jackal]

FIGHT BACK

[fair anchor]

Since à lot of sectec cdr comes from the dance window, i Wonder how long holding dance/sectec can be acceptable

[half comet]

@vale pine

[vale pine]

yes

[alpine wraith]

yes but deathstalker has more annoying things

and you can get parried

that makes people AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaAaAAA

[vale pine]

trickster applies the no parry benefits to the entire raid

🙈

[tribal blade]

trickster is more fun to play

DS makes me want to claw my eyes out

[half comet]

are people using sod before pull now?

[tribal blade]

yeah

i still need a WA for that, i keep forgetting to make one

[half comet]

is that in the wowhead

[tribal blade]

not sure if anyone has made one for it

i tried searching "symbols prepull" on wago.io but there's nothing

[half comet]

i see the rotation is updated but unless im blind i dont see symbols pre pull there either

[tribal blade]

not sure

[alpine wraith]

i have the devlin one standalone

[tribal blade]

iirc you just wanna symbols ~17 seconds before the actual pull

[alpine wraith]

if i dont see the charger thingy i do it usually

[tribal blade]

or something like that

[alpine wraith]

you can symbols as you revive

np but there is extra value 20-17 secs because of rotten

but that one is super minor

[tribal blade]

i know how to do one for when ready check goes out, but how do you make one that'll remind you when you get ressed?

is it a condition

[alpine wraith]

nono i hav eno reminder

just a visual indicator if it is up

[tribal blade]

ah gotcha

[half comet]

does trickster and deathstalker do the same thing now

double dance with cds

dance symbols

dance symbols

naked symbols

back into cds

[alpine wraith]

after 1:30 you skip the dance symbols after cds

and only do a sec tech alone

then sec tech again when CB is up and it comes up almost at the same time

[half comet]

the 2nd sec tec is with dance symbol?

[alpine wraith]

after you end 1:30 cds you get sec tech back but you wont have symbols or dance

so you send that one dry as f

then it comes back if you have good uptime for when CB comes back off cd

if you see cb is like 10 secs away dont use it tho

[light imp]

During CD roation for second dance, are we sending Symbols as soon as the first ends and supercharing plain evicerates, or is it better to hold and wait till Sec tec has ~10 seconds left and super charge sec tec again during the cooldown window

[lucid jackal]

I have some maybe mega mind sub questions

Any sub megaminds in chat

[alpine wraith]

sure ask

[alpine wraith]

depends a bit on the cdr you get on sec tech it can vary quite a bit

usually you do want to charge sec tech

now that we have several charges we dont need to insta send it on pandemic

so you can hold it a bit longer

so charging sec tech/coup is good

[light imp]

figured as much, but figured i'd ask

[lucid jackal]

- If dance is on cooldown for 5 secondsand symbols and sectec are up do you send sectec and then dance or just fully hold the dance
Or just hold the symbols
- Also when it comes to coup, we still want to prio Coup with fazed on the targert in ur dances right
- And for supercharger in your double dances, how useful is it to delay the sectec all the way until the end to supercharge sectec
That's what I've been doing as it feels intuitive, but unsure if pandemic is more valuable. Probably not with the charge system but wanna double check

[alpine wraith]

dont do first one you are losing DM

yea you always want to coup with fazed flawless form stacks are big

the last one just above

we can still pandemic but now as we have more than 1 stack you can delay SoD to charge coup or sec tech or both

[lucid jackal]

am I suppose to play around flawless form

wut

[alpine wraith]

nah it just stacks

only in aoe/cleave you care about it

so you know if you need to backstab or storm

[lucid jackal]

Sure got it

If you sod for pandemic, you dont supercahrger sectec

my question is pandemic more valuable or is supercharger hitting sectec more important

[sly shore]

if you coup with fazed active it's +5 flawless form stacks

so it's important to do it with fazed

it's why you sectech first in dance if fazed isn't active

[rain smelt]

Sorry, I dont understand you answer to his first question. Can you rephrase that please?

[light imp]

i asked that same question above, charged sectec is better than pandemic

[lucid jackal]

what do you do if you aren't apple to faze the target with coup up

wdyd

[sly shore]

you just send coup now

but if you can go into dance

or are going to dance

you pay attention to fazed

[lucid jackal]

[granite hinge]

!fuu

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[alpine wraith]

he means to sec tech then dance

if you do that you are losing Danse macabre

basically here what you would do is just build to full for those 5 secs or if you are already at 6+ just wait

then dance symbols sec tech

[rain smelt]

Ah now I understand. Thought you were referring to Deathstalkers Mark, which kind threw me off

[alpine wraith]

yea mark is DSM now

[rain smelt]

Gotcha

[alpine wraith]

to avoid confusions

[keen dome]

Will this week be the week I get the Transmitter...

[rain smelt]

Feelsbad. Our guild are currently stuck on M Ovinax. Filling the weekly vault with 2 slots of mythic gear from first 4 bosses only allowing 1 spot to be HC Transmitter is just.. Meh. Can't really be excited for weekly vault knowing chances for my Transmitter are close to non-existent.

Hope you get it tho!

[wraith granite]

My friend who just enh boosted a druid is doing more dmg with starter build and random buttons than me on my sub geared rogue 😆

like, wow, i suck

[alpine wraith]

happens

[wraith granite]

pvp sub amazing, pve, arcane rotations

[vale pine]

pvp is just a diffrent mindset

you can completely ignroe a lot of optimizations you would do in pve

because you optimize for burst

i haven't played pvp too active so if i state something incorrect i am happy to be corrected

but the problem of pvp is healing, so the main goal is to:

• surprise enemeis with burst so that the healer can't keep up with (usually unlikely, healers have many tools to deal with it)
• Setup cc chains to actively kill a target while keeping the healer impact as low as possible
• Play long enough for dampaning to be high enough to even make one of the above work

for pve you optimize differently:

• Boss uptime because it is one of the most important metrics for dps
• Cooldown efficiency to get as many casts as possible without losing damage elsewhere
• Boss mechanics, and this means:
  • Adjusting cooldowns to boss timings if needed
  • Learn patterns of fights to plan out cooldown rotations.

PvE has a more static enviroment, so you over time can optimize the handling of cooldowns and boss mechanics and play against the metric of DPS.

PvP is a more reactional enviroment you play against the healers mana bar, and abuse mistakes to create situations or preasure. Optimizing for burst is more relevant than trying to optimally use abilities for the entire match. There is also no metric you can easy see mistakes.

[hollow patio]

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[wicked jolt]

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[hollow patio]

Actually ovi'nax egg simming higher than reaper's?

[alpine wraith]

yes it is very good now that our skills do more dmg

[short radish]

do we do anything special wiht it?

[alpine wraith]

ideal usage is keeping any of the two buffs at 20 then the other at 11

[short radish]

sounds like a passive pain

[alpine wraith]

a trinket ideal for the ADADAD tribe

it is that is why it is whatever really

[tawdry kiln]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Oxi

[fast garnet]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[slate nest]

You don't use tea with dance anymore, even in arenas I use it with CB ST for the extra mastery

At least that's me

[alpine wraith]

you still use tea with dance

[slate nest]

Really?

[alpine wraith]

yes pve is a diff thing most of the time

[slate nest]

I don't have it talented on pve

[alpine wraith]

outside of dance we dont really care about it

[round latch]

bruh game gives me sub stuff on vault,had a myth track sub ring with avoidance on

yoinked and 2 sockets

enchanted,already equipped

[round latch]

is the engineer head craft with vers the play?

or we dont rly care

with the healing injector tinker

[alpine wraith]

i will craft it with mastery

but vers is ok too

[round latch]

i literally get only vers/mastery gear all these weeks

might as well ditch sin and play sub

idk

10k+ vers atm

btw what kush said about sub double dipping on vers when we activate blades

is that true?

[alpine wraith]

that is a TW bug thing

blades just replicates dmg so it wont double dip

just timewalking things being broken

[round latch]

yeah thats what i thought

thx

[hollow patio]

okey, i thought the other way, actually i dont know what to pick in vault, off hand myth, shoulders myth or ovinax/reapers hero...

[alpine wraith]

well ovi nax is whatever just a stat stick

it is kinda like if mythic knife but a bit worse existed

[hollow patio]

off hand and shoulders sims higher in st but trinkets seems to be better with adds/m+

[alpine wraith]

yea ovi nax is now the best m+ trink as off

but i kinda like mandate a lot for what it does

[hollow patio]

yeah, i have that as trinket 1

champion 8/8 tho

[next valley]

If you were given the option for Myth track gear or a HC transmitter would most people go for transmitter?

[gritty knot]

Would u craft the engi head with mastery and cr if u mostly just play m+ as sub now?

[alpine wraith]

depends on which M track item it is

if you can upgrade and already have normal transmitter you could get more from it

we dont have cr anymore

you use pot tinker

[gritty knot]

Oh, rlly? Okay...

Lemme google what's pot tinker...idk tbh

[next valley]

Don't have a transmitter yet and little bit scared of messing it up, is it fairly easy to use?

[gritty knot]

Wait.. it's healing me for 113 k hp only? That's super bad damn

[alpine wraith]

transmitter you get used to it

and the pot tinker heals for 5 million

no idea which one you are lookiong at

[gritty knot]

Sounds great. Now I can just go for it when being suicidal 😂

@alpine wraith oh okay , then it's the wrong one

[lilac stag]

!transmitter

[wicked jolt]

The orb and circle from Treacherous Transmitter always spawn in the same spot. Relative to how your character is facing it spawns northeast/1:30 o'clock/frontright, this means you can know where it will spawn and react accordingly.
https://i.imgur.com/cTPN4Tz.png

[gray zephyr]

I had this choice and went for myth chest, as my guild is stuck at 1st mythic raid boss cuz we lack ppl. And I don't have transmitter yet but I'm aiming for the long run

[tribal blade]

one of my guildie's has an alt rogue, and he whispered me asking "hey i have myth track boots with avoidance and hero track contract in my vault, i should take the trinket right because i already crafted embel boots"

and i was like "NO NEGATIVE TAKE THE BOOTS"

just recraft your embel later and sit on the boots

[next valley]

And it isn't a cast time right? I'm fine to just macro it into SB or Flag?

[tribal blade]

i saved that guy from making a gigantic mistake

[next valley]

like how mandate is

[tribal blade]

it has no cast time

[next valley]

Great, thanks

[tribal blade]

but you really don't want to macro it to anything to be real

because you can cast it and actually not activate it for some time

so it means you can precast it before all your cds, and then activate it right as you go into cds

some people even precast it before pulling a boss

(not sub though, we precast before cds)

if you macro it to your cds you may have the situation where you have to run out of melee or jump 3 times to activate it

as your cds are going, and it's super awkward

[short radish]

i still think macro it to flag

because theres enough delay between flag and needing activating

saves a bind

[sly shore]

I have both trinket slots bound always anyway

[short radish]

im too monkey to be able to press all these abilities separetly

[tribal blade]

me too, it makes life much easier to dedicate 2 binds to both trinket slots

[sly shore]

yes 😄

[alpine wraith]

i have a general use on shift w

that uses both

and one apart

that uses the second if needed

[sly shore]

shift W is my 2nd slot

[haughty mural]

wrong spec tho

[sly shore]

shift E is my first

[tribal blade]

^ that's my basic bitch "i don't wanna think about anything" trinket combo btw 😉

[tribal blade]

haha dw i'm starting to play sub in keys

i have a 13 mists and i'm gonna run it as sub

[sly shore]

it's probably better to do up to first boss as sub, then as assa

but sub isn't actually bad in that dungeon for sure

[tribal blade]

i feel like it'll be fine for the whole dungeon

i ran 2 10 mists today as sub and it felt pretty good

[sly shore]

sub deals with the pulls after the 2nd boss better

[haughty mural]

will i get transmitter this week so i can fulltime embrace sub again ?

[sly shore]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mbd2rZfzDPwXxGCv#fight=31&type=summary&translate=true Here's an 11 I did as sub

it felt ok

[tribal blade]

the last boss is also nice as sub

[gray coyote]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[sly shore]

sub probably nice in an organised group too

cos you know what pulls are coming and can send cd's more freely

[tribal blade]

it's actually easier to send cds as sub because you have 1.5 mins instead of 2 mins

a bit more frequent

but i

[bright solstice]

yeah I have fomo in dungeons as assa

[tribal blade]

i'm also enjoying it more, i really dislike playing DS as a whole

and sin plays only DS

[bright solstice]

1,5 instead of 2 really does make a difference

[tribal blade]

yeah you need to be sin if you want to get invites

i've done the non fotm thing of playing sub when it was bad in M+

and it's miserable

[bright solstice]

I still probably wouldnt play sub

[sly shore]

the main thing about sub too

is less caring about stealth

it's much nicer for weeklies with pugs tbh

[tribal blade]

until you're playing with TFD 😉

[vale pine]

you can sprinke in a bit of the first dance

and get the excitement of caring of restealth back

[sly shore]

even then that's not THAT impactful

[vale pine]

its not

[sly shore]

it's just nice to have

[vale pine]

its funny

[sly shore]

sometimes I just wait 2s to enter a pack cos why not

[vale pine]

how framing is this diffrent

[alpine wraith]

tfd does not need a lot of procs to overtake WM

[tribal blade]

it does feel crazy having a 12 second dance at the start of a pull

it feels so good

although sometimes my energy starts becoming dicey near the end of TFD dance

[keen dome]

Today is a cursed day for Heroic Court rekills for some incredibly strange reason..

[alpine wraith]

depending on target count you can sprinkle 1 storm

[tribal blade]

my coup bugged out for the entire of my guild's heroic court reclear

and i had 0 coup casts for the entire fight

so sad

[alpine wraith]

when my coup bugs i just alt f4

[tribal blade]

haha

[alpine wraith]

if i die it is what it is

[keen dome]

haha, damn

[alpine wraith]

if you have a decent SSD

[keen dome]

My pug is just finding new and interesting ways to make mistakes..

[alpine wraith]

wow loads quite fast

[tribal blade]

where i was in dps even with coup bugged out

[keen dome]

Sub stronk

[tribal blade]

not bad for having the entire capstone borked

[alpine wraith]

next time remember you can alt f4 ehehe

[tribal blade]

i think i would be even lower in dps if i alt f4'd

[alpine wraith]

not really it takes me like 10 secs

to be back ingame

just wait for a time where it wont kill you

[tribal blade]

it takes me a bit longer

i have a SSD

but my game takes a bit to open sometimes

[short radish]

!symbols

[wicked jolt]

How to Use Symbols of Death:
Symbols of Death is used with 3 or less seconds of the Symbols of Death buff remaining or if the buff is not up.
Watch your Shadow Dance cooldown before using Symbols of Death. If Shadow Dance is not on cooldown or if the remaining cooldown is lower than 10 seconds it is usually better to delay the Symbols of Death cast till after Shadow Dance.

[short radish]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[short radish]

whats the symbols macro

to not cast twice

[alpine wraith]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[keen dome]

More than I just did with it not bugged, haha (1.33m)

[short radish]

thanks

[slate marlin]

If i macro dance and sod together (with a different bind for each ofc), could i use this for both?

[alpine wraith]

not recommended

[haughty mural]

What happened to coup?

[keen dome]

Has anybody tried Heroic Ansurek since the nerfs? I mean, probably a bad test 'cos guilds can do her chill but. Curious how she feels.

[tribal blade]

it can bug and you basically cannot cast it

0 coup casts /cry

[keen dome]

And yet: still more than I pull with it.

[tribal blade]

i have a lot of gear 😉

[keen dome]

What ilevel are you at, out of interest?

[hazy breach]

Do you know how it happened

[tribal blade]

630 at the time of that parse, 631 now

[tribal blade]

yeah LE said if you lag out at the exact right moment

that can happen

i assume as you're gaining coup you lag out and then evis is just perma lit up but no coup able to send

[sly shore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1122685432677793932/1239201118513533048/KreemLagging-ezgif.com-crop.gif?=

[tribal blade]

i see nothing wrong with this picture

optimal gameplay

[hazy breach]

I accidently had this on one of our fyrakk attempts 💀

Tragic wipe

[sly shore]

hasn't really been a problem this xpac tbh

weirdly

[keen dome]

same after six cups of coffee

[keen dome]

Damn, big. I did at 624, so pretty happy.

[near rivet]

ive reproduced the disabled coup bug by doing it in an enemy that was in perma evade mode

[tribal blade]

nice!

[near rivet]

other tine it happened was on silken court

[keen dome]

I think it's my PB on that fight, esp while raid leading.

[near rivet]

i rate my vault as a wrong spec/10

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/544291032221614080/1301128313422745640/image.png?ex=672359ab&is=6722082b&hm=1f4bf5296af0d74ba08c3e8d3d322a16f1852005f77473b32d7a17730da188f9&

[keen dome]

cool weapon at least

[near rivet]

yh, in case of random outlaw buffgs

[lilac stag]

#assassination traitor

[vestal escarp]

if they didnt nerf ele at all you could push as any specs

top sub world basically freewheeled this past week with ele

[keen dome]

Alas, another week with no ring, no transmitter. A cursed existence.

[mental comet]

Same

[keen dome]

At least I got 603 leech from my vault.

[mental comet]

I’ve seen literally 2 transmitter this entire season clearing norm/hc every week since week 1. Norm one dropped this week but guy wouldn’t sell it

[rain smelt]

I have seen 1 (on hc) and I have even done LFR as well

Its like the trinket doesnt exist for me

[mental comet]

Cursed

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/a-few-good-men-you-cant-handle-the-truth-jack-nicholson-gif-19436076

[mental comet]

Can’t get skardyn either

[rain smelt]

I haven't seen Skardyn either (haven't seen in drop for any in party), but I have admittedly online done in roughly 10 times

[rain smelt]

Damn haha

Grats!

[coarse nexus]

how cringe is skardyns as sub

[hazy breach]

Very

[vestal escarp]

now quite a bit

you lose casts and its weak

[alpine wraith]

quite a bit less strong than transmitter

[lilac stag]

If you enjoy assa at all, likely worth it. But meh for subbers

[sly shore]

i'd still take that skardyn;s

[lilac stag]

Or you take transmitter for both

[sly shore]

[mint swift]

Take both when the vault isn’t looking

[vestal escarp]

skadryn M might not come back again tho

cringeradio is hc

[lilac stag]

Playing assa might not come back

and watch transmitter still be sub bis in 11.1.

[mint swift]

I hope it stays, I find it fun tbh

[vestal escarp]

Edge of night on sepulcher?

[mint swift]

Ofc ik your being hyperbolic

[vestal escarp]

[mint swift]

Because they ain’t just gonna remove a spec

[lilac stag]

This means they ignored 90 second agility trinkets. Bad news bears.

[mint swift]

God I miss that thing

Want a dagger with an effect again

An AGILITY dagger

I don’t want the monkey paw to fold after I ask

[lilac stag]

you have one. Craft it.

[mint swift]

Ok

Minus embellishments

Because everyone gets those

Usually

Like edge of night was sick

[lilac stag]

We’ve seen 1 drop in all normal and HC clears. I swear that trinket is a ghost. I snagged it in vault almost immediately.

[mint swift]

And while it wasn’t meta I remember using the dreamcarver and it had a. Cool effect

[alpine wraith]

i still havent seen hc one for my raid group

but if i pug it always drops smh

and lose ofc

[mint swift]

Th transmitter?

If so, I haven’t seen it once either, on any chars both pug runs and guild runs

[haughty mural]

I’ve also not seen one

Besides in normal where I lost all roles

Maybe this afternoon i got it in my vault 🙏

Having myth raid slots in vault kills chances tho

[old socket]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gritty knot]

I just bought transmitter in HC second week idk. 300 k and the guy sold it to me 😂 same with the other trinket from nexus princess on HC. I think it was 250k. And no more worries or anger for the rest of the season

[haughty mural]

Can’t buy hc one if it’s not dropping ig

[lilac stag]

I finally got contract this week. Think it’s our last reclear.

[vestal escarp]

timed cot 12 as sub

we barack?

deathless

[lilac stag]

we’re not assa, but we v good

[keen dome]

I always had faith. Please ignore the strange other icon on my raider.io and warcraft logs page. I don't know how it got there.

Assa and Sub both being really good is lovely to see, though

I'm not sure how outlaw is. But I hope they're having a nice time too.

[haughty mural]

i'm also not getting that

[lilac stag]

[haughty mural]

also a reason i stayed assa till 11.0.5 since i got skardyns and myth track egg so fast

but i can't anymore

[lilac stag]

yea I remember you getting assa lit

[haughty mural]

atleast i got hc mandate

[lilac stag]

Reclearing as sub was nice. Assa still seems tuned crazy high, but didn’t feel like I was not holding my own

[vale pine]

transmitter is quite big for sub

[haughty mural]

tbh the diff in my last reclear as sub was huge

but i was bit rusty AND i have kinda optimal assa gear

[lilac stag]

Our rash reclear was a cluster with new people. Ended up 2nd overall just behind our lock

RS is maddening

[haughty mural]

it really is

since 10.2

(:

[lilac stag]

for the love of all that is rogue Realz please fix it.

[haughty mural]

he will

[lilac stag]

When it gets deleted?

[haughty mural]

he is back

[haughty mural]

probably haha

[lilac stag]

I think that it is quite possibly the most annoying bug we have

[haughty mural]

i 100% agree

[lilac stag]

idk if anything triggers me more

[haughty mural]

the difference is so huge

playing with RS and without

atleast it feels really huge

[lilac stag]

I dropped it and premed, for sht and crit and life was instantly better.

[vale pine]

we have many annoying bugs

[haughty mural]

ye i also tried that

[lilac stag]

idk if I really want to drop premed

[haughty mural]

though i like premed right now (not that it makes vanish offense cd again)

[vale pine]

• delayed combo points from the RS bug
• Coup de grace charge or randomly not working
• vanish sometimes not allowing you to use shadowstrike

[lilac stag]

have to mess on dummies more

[alpine wraith]

premed is quite good

[lilac stag]

the crit also seems quite good in actual play

so idk

[alpine wraith]

helps us get more value for blades but improv sht and PE is fine too

[haughty mural]

thats horrible

[alpine wraith]

yea you need to alt f4

mid fight to fix it

[lilac stag]

yeah that came back last night

[alpine wraith]

wow pay2win

i actually have a video where it happens mid key ahaha

[lilac stag]

I think coup DCd me as well

[alpine wraith]

kinda funny

[haughty mural]

didnt have the amusement of it yet

[lilac stag]

It charged me and insta dc

[haughty mural]

thats why i was so surprised

[lilac stag]

RS is a vibe killer

[alpine wraith]

does not happen that often but when it happens it is annoying

yea RS coup etc anything that krangles how we can proc shadowcraft or extra cps

is a bit annoying

worse is they can prov even 0,5 to 0.7 secs later

[haughty mural]

Without RS, spreading is kinda no bueno

So pick your poison

[mental comet]

Anyone playing DS in higher keys like 12-13+

[lilac stag]

doubt it

check on raider.io?

if it’s a gameplay question most of us can help with it

[alpine wraith]

deathstalker is just worse in most situations imo

[oak ice]

guys i want to switch to sub on last boss of NW , do i need to go trickster or DS ?

[alpine wraith]

trickster is better

and usually you also want to be sub for stitchflesh

[oak ice]

i see, gonna check the guide right now, is trickster harder than DS ? or not much of a diff ?

btw does stats makes a lot of diff or ? cause i got a lot of crit , not sure if sub wants too much crit :3

[alpine wraith]

stats are weighted towards vers and mastery but crit and haste are not horrible anyway

fot st

[oak ice]

tysm

[haughty mural]

i really need to try to storm first builder in dance more

[hazy breach]

You should not

[haughty mural]

didnt someone said yesterday it could be a gain because of FW

maybe i missunderstood

[hazy breach]

Storm consumes two stacks of rotten on cast (its a bug)

[alpine wraith]

not in dance you would not storm as trickster

maybe after consuming rotten if you can fill all cps

otherwise it seem krangled unless it is a first dance

where you can benefit more from the extra DM stacks on more globals but the gain would be so little

[hazy breach]

Yes having FW up on all targets means your nimble does 10% more, but youre losing a massive amount of damage by wasting rotten on storm that doesnt do damage instead of strike that trucks

[vestal escarp]

also you wanna spend your UBs after sectech asap

[haughty mural]

yea i meant rotten

typo

but good thing i didnt

[alpine wraith]

yea after spending rotten it could be fineish but the win would not be noticeable

[haughty mural]

[alpine wraith]

also yea with our lvl of crit

the chances of getting alot of FW is not that high anyway

[haughty mural]

in theory rotten would be a guaranteed crit but yea

not worth it

[vestal escarp]

on 2 targets?

[haughty mural]

no

[vestal escarp]

if it sucks up all stacks with one cast i guess the bug would guarantee a crit on the 2 first struck

[alpine wraith]

yea rotten is bugged with storm

only works once per target

so you would get 2 crits in a pack kekw

[vestal escarp]

[hazy breach]

Theyve fixed that, it does work on all the hits now

But it still consumes 2 charges

[vestal escarp]

because yes

[sullen hare]

"and stay dead" -blizzard to shuriken storm

[alpine wraith]

nice midway fix

the story of our life

[vestal escarp]

spec identity

[alpine wraith]

so now maybe a dps win a first dance spending second charge of rotten

[vestal escarp]

dubious interactions

[alpine wraith]

to get all FW hmmmmmmmmm+

time to waste more time

[rain smelt]

Do we never storm in AOE then? Always backstab/shadowstrike?

[vestal escarp]

outside dance for cp

unless you wanna proc ub

[haughty mural]

outside of dance if flawless is up

[rain smelt]

Ah cool

So basically strike > storm > backstab

[haughty mural]

not flawless - whatever thing ub procs

[alpine wraith]

yea it is flawless

[haughty mural]

oh it is flawless

my brain is melting

[narrow gazelle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[magic ruin]

How realistic is ovinax trinket benefit in a mythic raid boss compared to the sims?

[near rivet]

its up to you

[hollow maple]

Hi, im new to sub rogue, and i keep getting these blue combo points when i use Symbols of Death, what do they represent?

[vale pine]

supercharger

each combo point is a stack of it

(your next finisher gets +3 cp added to the cast)

(and you lose one stack)

[hollow maple]

Ok, thanks! Does this mean that i should expend combo finishers with two less points, or does it scale as if i used 10 combo points

[spark tusk]

It scales and lets you go higher than cap

you don't need to really react to them

just play normally and benefit from mroe damage

[hollow maple]

o'right!

[keen dome]

We hit even harder with them.

BIG SecTecs

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-huge-enormous-thats-big-huge-linus-gif-25856235

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/theabbie-gif-19499007

[keen dome]

Zangeif is my spirit animal

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-heavy-heavy-sasha-gif-13171366521058393387

[vivid cobalt]

what should we be averaging in 10-11's rn in good gear like 1.4m?

[jaunty umbra]

sim

it depends on how you pull

[vale pine]

sim won't tell you a number for end game dps in dungeons

if you holding up well against the other players, thats good

[worthy escarp]

How do yall use cds for brood ?

Fullsend in opener or w8 for adds ?

[alpine wraith]

2 dances on opener then hold dances for eggs 2 dances

then sec tech alone

then cds 2 dances with 2 sod

then 1 dance with SoD on eggs

[worthy escarp]

flag ?

[alpine wraith]

you flag every 1:30 and hold sometimes when an egg thingy is close

[worthy escarp]

aight ty I'll try that

[alpine wraith]

i will eventually do a thing about this but first i want to do the first 4 again last week was a bit krangled on kills so hope i get good footage this one

[icy anvil]

yo, guys, am i correct that no slots from black rock raid is viable for us?

[alpine wraith]

they are the same power as their track is

so decent for champion/hero

but nothing crazy for mythic raiders

[lucid jackal]

https://youtu.be/vbXcFW7g-o0

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

Forbidden reach 2.0 stuff. Looks like it'll be fun. Some kind of ring again.

Plunderstorm >:D

[vale pine]

there is a potential for a mini game mode like plunderstorm

[keen dome]

I am pretty excited for that patch. Another Forbidden Reach style thing is cool.

[vale pine]

i am honest

the zone looks lifeless

i am happy to be proven wrong on that

[alpine wraith]

ah i crafted ring

just last week smh

well hopefully this thingy drops on december

[keen dome]

My bet is January.

[pliant topaz]

aint no way they put another ring that u socket stuff into that does big dam?

i have a feeling ive seen that before

[wind canopy]

[keen dome]

I hope it works 1:1 like the one in DF.

Please don't pay any attention to my crafting professions.

[pliant topaz]

that one was very controversial

[keen dome]

It was fantastic, it ruled. No notes. 1:1 copy. Let's go. I need another dinosaur.

But really, yeah it was a bit mid. I'd hope they do something different.

But the idea of short-lived borrowed power as a catch-up / way to nerf content isn't a bad one imo

[pliant topaz]

oh its not its just the way the ring worked that was a bit weird

[lofty canopy]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[keen dome]

Ye. Tying it to JC was a strange choice.

Like, it made me 3 million gold. But it was a strange choice.

[jaunty heath]

how is this game so bad

every boss someones disconnecting

first boss we had half the raid dc so we wipe and then we only had 5 people dc the next pull so it was ok

2nd boss only 4 ppl dc so its fine i guess 😄

[topaz raptor]

We are 4/8 and had to reprog h ansurek on alts because our tanks dced every pull

Kyveza also changes her spell order every time

[spark tusk]

idn seemed like a perfectly reasonable choice

[noble patio]

Bloodmallet is still broken it seems

[wind canopy]

Yeah. Though best not to use it in the first place

[vale pine]

did they mention plunderstorm in the video

because reddit mentions it multiple times in the comment section

[pliant topaz]

i dont think so

they just said its a very stormy part of the ocean

no plunderin

[keen dome]

Blizz out out a blue post for it.

[pliant topaz]

??? send it

my beloved is back?

[keen dome]

This battle-royale-inspired event comes back for a limited time early in 2025. Keg Leg returns to pillage the Arathi Highlands. Join the crew, fight to be the last pirate standing, and grab all the plunder you can to get your hands on loot from the new Plunderstore, including new and returning transmogs and mounts.```

[pliant topaz]

THIS GAMES SAVED WE ARE SO BACK

[keen dome]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24152008/the-war-within-1107-content-update-on-the-ptr-october-31

Scroll down here.

[pliant topaz]

GAME SAVED

[vale pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/plunderstorm-returns-for-limited-time-in-early-2025-with-new-rewards-349475?utm_source=discord-webhook

^ the specific part about plunderstorm

[pliant topaz]

fianlly good content! pog

man i missed it so much

[keen dome]

Same, I'm excited to nolife it again

[vale pine]

idk if thats a typo but this sounds like they just bring the same event back

[keen dome]

Yes, they are, I assume.

Limited time early 2015. With new rewards.

..2025, even.

I would imagine it's returning to let people get stuff again. And then I bet next time it comes back it's a fresh thing. Maybe they wanna test some changes.

Good time for it to come in between the end of 11.0 and 11.1

Stuff to do in the downtime periord, ye?

I'd really like it if they made it a permenant mode. Have it run for 4 - 6 months. Then a new map and new 'season'. (And still retain the original rewards so no FOMO, just play when you want)

[vale pine]

I think they would need to improve on it

if they wanted it as a permanent mode

new map

rotating powers

[viral brook]

guys is it right that sub sims are still fkd? I got myth Overclocked Gear-a-Rang Launcher in vault and just wanted to make sure I'm not making a mistake by grabbing it

[vale pine]

mechanics that change the meta

[vale pine]

sims are fine

[hazy breach]

Sims on raidbots are fine

Its bloodmallet thats not working

[keen dome]

Yeah, @vale pine I agree completely.

[viral brook]

ah right, thanks guys, I was speaking to someone else and they said it was all fkd for sub, thanks again for clarifying

[pliant topaz]

i dont think it should be permenant tbh haha! but they should bring it back with new weapons and new maps every like year or so

[sinful sluice]

Can they plz shut down heros of storm and use their server to save wow

[keen dome]

That'd also be fine ye.

[vale pine]

i think they don't do themselves a favor with 11.0.7

[sinful sluice]

Cant do anything, lagging way too much

[pliant topaz]

theyre just following the content cadence of 10.0 is my guess

just faster

[keen dome]

Yeah. Same cycle.

[pliant topaz]

problem is theyre not quality content

like the anniversery stuff is uh sus

[vale pine]

• the zone looks boring
• plunderstorm is potentially 1:1 the same
• the ring is likely very similar to anulet
• they mentioned that all of the mounts you get are not new content, just unused one.

[pliant topaz]

brd is fun af

but the rest yikes

[keen dome]

I don't think that last point is a problem, though.

Stuff sometimes doesn't get used. It's cool to see it finally be getting use.

[vale pine]

i don't think its a negative

[keen dome]

That's fair

Although I'd argue if they are unused in the game anywhere, they are new content, no?

[vale pine]

but it fits into the perception of rushed content

[keen dome]

Ye, valid

[vale pine]

where things are shipped in a unfinished way

and cotnent re-use is the norm rather than the exception

and they rly need some wins

[keen dome]

Poison toggle.

[vale pine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1gfnqfn/mythic_raiding_is_an_disaster_this_tier/

[weary kite]

Would you say the faze preventing parries for other melee is a bug? @vale pine

[vale pine]

^ this post goes over some problems

[alpine wraith]

yea it is a bug but a good one

also yea connectivity has been krangled

[vale pine]

it is a problem with spell flags

can see it as bug or feature

[keen dome]

I'd seen some of those issues over the last two weeks, yeah. It's very frustrating to see that there is even less QA (or time to respond to QA) than normal. Or, that's what it seems anyay.

[alpine wraith]

they likely run a very strict prio with their rushed timeframe

[vale pine]

it is common for blizz to have mistakes with spell data or flags

[alpine wraith]

so anything not flagged high prio is left a bit to the wayside

[vale pine]

every like 3th or 4th bug is related to it

[alpine wraith]

yea like our notorious shadow dmg buffs

or NS

or pet things

or split dmg things

[placid elk]

game is shit pull the ripcord release plunderstorm again

[alpine wraith]

how about we just

delet those

[vale pine]

another area a lot of bugs come from are server sided scripts

basically race conditions

like the RS bug

[keen dome]

The floor spikes on the intermission of Court are still desyncing, too.

[vale pine]

or similar things

[alpine wraith]

yea that one is funny

ky veza can fix 2 and 3 people

with more than 1 dagger

insta wipe in M

[vale pine]

i am a bit unfair to the company

[pliant topaz]

oh yeah that ones funny af

[vale pine]

but 20 years of experience

[pliant topaz]

bro got double lines LMFAO

[vale pine]

should prevent patches like 11.0.5