subtlety

[willow fulcrum]

or do u hold to kill the target for cdr

[short radish]

yeah so it hits for like 3.8mill

naked feint brings it down to 2.8mill

40 seconds? thats knives

[edgy zenith]

I'm not dying to the knives, but the dot during that time

[short radish]

oh

[edgy zenith]

that set of charges

[short radish]

thats the part i cloak

yeah i was dying to that as well

uhhhh

[pliant topaz]

disgusting idiots

[short radish]

if youre not cloaking

you need to run back into group

get topped up

then run back out

[edgy zenith]

that's what I was doing lmao

stepping in after charge

doing dam, getting as much healing as possible

then sprinting out

[short radish]

healers heal better then

you shouldnt be dying from full

could try stay in range more

or just cloak the debuff every time

and take the L for intermission

[edgy zenith]

yeah, think I'm just gonna send the cloak

ty

[short radish]

no wokkas

go get that bread

[pliant topaz]

sry was in raid. meant that u can do it anywhere from 8-11, and u can optimize this around how much stacks of escalating blades you have, if coups up or not, how many cps youre sitting on, how long on rupture etc

@tepid trellis surely transmitter in vault and we are basically back

[lucid jackal]

Do u pay attention to ur hero talent at all anymore?

[pliant topaz]

yeah fazed rules are still there, disorienting rules are still there.again u can optimize around coup as well (a bit not as much as before)

thats why i was like what you said is basically 98% of the spec. these are litearlly 2% optimizations, very small

[lucid jackal]

Sure but im tryna figure out those 2%

[pliant topaz]

okay, ill give u some basic numbers. initially with the deathstalker apl, trickster was around 1.4M sim

then we added the extra naked symbol and that pushed it to 1.44

then we added the effective cps instead of starting dance on low cp -> pushed it to 1.56. then we found out RS > improved sht, pushed it to 1.47

then we did the sectech < 8 and it pushed it to like 1.483-4 ish

then theres other small optimizations but those are the main ones

neither

its low cp, or high ish sht stacks, or 6+ effective cp (which means 3 + supercharger )

yea trickster is alot around optimizing maximum st cast

which gives u max coup casts

which gives u more cdr

wich gives u 1 more dance

not really its a 6+ cp evis

which is the correct amount for evis

[tribal blade]

not needing to hold coup as much anymore? i like it

[karmic verge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pliant topaz]

new copy pasta dropped

pistol goes boom boom boom 手槍砰砰砰 infinite power無限的力量great shame for family對家人來說是極大的恥辱banned by heavenly decree被天命所禁止would do it again會再做一次

@lucid jackal ^

[hoary moat]

are the bloodmallet sims messed up?

its saying Gear A Rang Launcher is like 100% better than anything else lol

in 5 targets

[merry agate]

Yeah ignore for now

[brisk onyx]

whats going on lul

[vestal escarp]

pistol goes boom boom boom 手槍砰砰砰 infinite power無限的力量great shame for family對家人來說是極大的恥辱banned by heavenly decree被天命所禁止would do it again會再做一次

[left ledge]

i fucking hate this game

and this company

i really do

shouldve just abused the shit out of every bug ive ever seen in my life

https://www.twitch.tv/kristofferh_/clip/GorgeousTubularWoodpeckerGrammarKing--xgLF3TsP54Kss1g

this is what we had to deal with

all fucking night

all week

when is this dogshit

going to get fixed

like literally what the fuck

hello

devs

[merry agate]

We need to find the dispicable beeing from which this propaganda piece originated and punish him most severe!

[warm depot]

that desync is nasty

[pliant topaz]

game working as intended clearly

[vale pine]

There are clearly some difficult parts in the current iteration

[warm depot]

thank god im not there yet krappa

[alpine wraith]

aaaaaaaaaaaay

[cursive vapor]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Oxi

[muted agate]

why is this fucking coup so troll

fucking dashes

[haughty mural]

hate waking up to those

so we just rupture on opener before dance ig ?

[merry agate]

Yeah was kinda hyped when i discovered it gives us a warri Charge and how it could be used cool and all

But it just sabotages you most times

[round latch]

its only because u dont understand what kind of a terror sub rogue is in pvp

havent tested sub in pve environment yet but this version of sub is nuts in pvp

[merry agate]

So getting a teeny tiny more cdr is off the table i guess

[haughty mural]

did we ?
when i went to bedge everything was ok

because of the new evis bug ?

[alpine wraith]

it is a cool thing first they krangle DM then they krangle evis with supercharger

[pliant topaz]

bro?

its fine

idk what u mean

[wind canopy]

Pretty sure there’s only one person that’s dooming in this channel

[cloud rover]

i sleep to wake up to make fun of outlaw
i play sub to make fun of outlaw
i eat so i can think of more content to make fun of outlaw
i make fun of outlaw cuz they are target capped
i play sub cuz it isnt target capped
i enjoy assa more than outlaw cuz it has a better version of Flurry
i make fun of outlaw cuz it will never be meta in raid
i play sub cuz it will always be meta in raid
||there was gonna be a point 9 but outlaw cant reach that many||

[haughty mural]

Danse or Mark ?

[alpine wraith]

deathstalker's mark

[wind canopy]

I just say DSM now instead of DM because that confuses with like Deathmark or Danse Macabre 😛

[alpine wraith]

i will call it javier hernesto from now on

seems a cool name for it

[pliant topaz]

so based

so real

so true

so based

so real

so true

so based

so real

so true

[cloud rover]

Armin

Are you ok

[pliant topaz]

not really

[tepid trellis]

He stealing my meme

[cloud rover]

Ye

[tepid trellis]

[alpine wraith]

eeey

[cloud rover]

Im a rogue

[pliant topaz]

just bricked 7 NW14s in 50 minutes

[cloud rover]

waht do you expect !?

[pliant topaz]

now i go bedge cuz this gam sucks

[cloud rover]

That im asking nicely !?

[pliant topaz]

im done with keys

[tepid trellis]

Skill issue

[pliant topaz]

my tanks keep dying idk how to keep them alive

[cloud rover]

Have you tried

timing them?

Honest advice

[pliant topaz]

nah i just follow the path of the racoon

raid log

but like instead of lost ark

[cloud rover]

Does wonders to your mood

[pliant topaz]

we hit gm in league again

surely this time i wont wanna jump off a bridhe

[tepid trellis]

TeamViewer so you can press defensives for them

[cloud rover]

I dont know if this is better

[pliant topaz]

lemme call him on teams and request control

[tepid trellis]

I got banned in league for a week

[pliant topaz]

lmfao for what

when

[tepid trellis]

Like 3 days ago

[pliant topaz]

lololol

whatd u say

[wind canopy]

[pliant topaz]

honestly i might start playing either ffxivor league again

[wind canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

[tepid trellis]

I’m progging new lost ark raid tonight

[pliant topaz]

thats pretty pog

[wind canopy]

Wait, didn't it release yesterday?

[cloud rover]

Toxic Stealthi again

[tepid trellis]

2 days ago

[tepid trellis]

I wasn’t toxic persay

[wind canopy]

Oh, thoguht you said it was Wednesday a few days ago

Surprised you haven't started

[tepid trellis]

Just very very sassy and sarcastic

[muted agate]

fix evis bug plss

huhuhuhuhuh

[pliant topaz]

but is zed good?

should i go back?

[tepid trellis]

No

[cloud rover]

[alpine wraith]

you can play an old lady

[pliant topaz]

okay it slike either try to do keys as sin and be despariige

[alpine wraith]

that dashes on every ability soon

[pliant topaz]

or play league

or ffxiv

[tepid trellis]

Not yet

[alpine wraith]

it is oulaw on crack

[pliant topaz]

idk whats the correct choice here

[alpine wraith]

play osu! CLEARLY

become a rythm master

[pliant topaz]

based

[wind canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

[alpine wraith]

i passed some cool songs the other days

[pliant topaz]

nah i tried poe

wasnt my thing

[cloud rover]

All options sound like despairge

if you ask me

[muted agate]

deadlock

[cloud rover]

RHYTM IS A DANCER

[pliant topaz]

okay down

i go hangout with friends and gf and live life then

[wind canopy]

Balatro

That's been what I've been binging on

[alpine wraith]

play the stock market in wow

[cloud rover]

Nah thats not an option

For that you need friends and gf you know

couldnt be me

[wind canopy]

That's the option I'm going with

Not playing WoW > playing Wow

[cloud rover]

Not playing WoW will result in playing something different

[wind canopy]

[pliant topaz]

nah like wows fun issue is 1) pugging title sucks super hard 2) having to do it as sin is making it even less fun

[wind canopy]

I mean, I think this is just going to be a problem that keeps happening over and over though, yeah?

[cloud rover]

Just do it as sub

Oh wait

[primal lance]

Sub on the rise in logs? What happened? Is IT the same Bug abuse as with Outlaw or is it a result of the Patch changes?

Thought the changes were estimated to be more or less no buff

[wind canopy]

Because pugging title just seems like a mind fuck

[pliant topaz]

it is

my friends arent really pushing so its just an ininite time sink

lowkey not worth

[wind canopy]

Yeah, like it seems worth if you have friends to run keys/doing raid and suffering through it together

[bronze turret]

It was a 4% ish buff

[wind canopy]

But otherwise...

[cloud rover]

Or dont push and just play alts with your friends

[bronze turret]

Idk if possible, but would be great if they just had a hackathon, eliminating most bugs

[wind canopy]

Would be cool, but yeah...

[bronze turret]

Some of these bugs have been around for a long time and are literally allegedly just a whitelist ”bug”. Basically lazy

[cloud rover]

I mean

They prolly already working on 11.1

and class changes for that

they prolly never have time to fix issues

Like Cross-Faction as example

X-Faction works now a long time

[primal lance]

4% buff and sub went from one of the bottom 5 to one of the top 5 specs in terms of damage?

Crazy 🙂

[bronze turret]

I dont think it takes a long time to add shadow evis, sectech etc to shadowblades dmg, coup etc

[cloud rover]

But you still cant trade, chat or whisper

[muted agate]

supercharged evis is bugged too

LESS DAMAGE OMG!

[wind canopy]

Yeah, we'd assume it'd easy to fix, but who knows what they've done with the code over the last 20 years

[bronze turret]

I swear they lose players cus of it. Why should anyone else care about the state of the game quality wise if the creators and devs dont

[cloud rover]

Yeah

[bronze turret]

Just quit and play something that is actually cared for

[cloud rover]

definitely

But it works

[wind canopy]

Just the prestige and history of the game will keep it running forever

[cloud rover]

They just bring out an Bruto

[bronze turret]

This is not a rogue only problem

The raid itself is bugged

[cloud rover]

Yeah

Ovinax AFKeing

[bronze turret]

Literally some dogshit QA, they outsourced it to PTR slaves and still dont listen to bug reports

[cloud rover]

I mean we had S4 in DF

that was horrendous

and now this

Patches before were "okay"

[molten citrus]

i feel like we'd be happier with zero bugs than getting hero talents this expansion

honestly

[cloud rover]

No gamebreaking stuff

[cloud rover]

Yes

[bronze turret]

Imagine trusting the game to function

Havent been possible for years

[molten citrus]

the hero talents brought another massive amount of bugs into the game

[primal lance]

Well logs tell a Bit of a different Story over all Bosses. Maybe because of to few sub parses.

But still nice to know that one is not soft inting the raid anymore playing sub over assa xD

[molten citrus]

yeah i was about to say

plz sell the game to a japanese developer

something

[bronze turret]

They are not paid enough/half their workforce are interns paid mcdonalds workers wages

[molten citrus]

no need to go that far

[wind canopy]

The guy has been doing it all week

[bronze turret]

Nah its not the devs fault

[cloud rover]

Hate the company

not the devs

thanks

[bronze turret]

Its a systematic problem

Difference in culture

[cloud rover]

and you forget

This game is there

for TWENTY years

[bronze turret]

American companies believe quantity is the most important thing. Japanese prob quality

[cloud rover]

I dont think the devs are satisfied bringing out this buggy mess

[molten citrus]

^

[cloud rover]

But some Team Leader said

this is enough

we dont have time

BLizzard CEO wants more money

[wind canopy]

Basically yeah

[merry agate]

Dont forget they dont have "work-life balance" over there

[molten citrus]

you don't hear of many bugs in ff14

[merry agate]

Chill bro 🫣

[molten citrus]

though i've barely played it

[iron fjord]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cloud rover]

Just stop being like that

If youa re really that frustrated

Stop playing

[alpine wraith]

no need to get emotional it is just how game companies work now sadly

[radiant shale]

Since when is this type of writing allowed here ? Why is this dude still not banned from the discord?

[cloud rover]

Yes

[alpine wraith]

nah in sectors like mine if you dont perform you get fired instantly they want things done and right

but finding game devs etc etc is actually hard

the skill lvl needed and also the exp they have to get is high

[cloud rover]

Especially if you want them in your office

[alpine wraith]

for not much pay

[cloud rover]

and dont pay them alot

[uncut bloom]

Yeah I don’t think the devs sit there and hope we are miserable playing lol

[alpine wraith]

yea game companies have the triforce of not getting good talent

there ARE passionat people

they are becoming less and less

[cloud rover]

I think a lot of Gamedevs at Blizzard chose Blizzard because "Oh i loved the LBizzard games its so cool to work here finally!"

and not choose the job becaus eof money

[alpine wraith]

likely if you get hired you have like minumum 1 or 2 years before you can fix medium to hard shit

[cloud rover]

Dude its unhealthy

what you suggesting rn

[alpine wraith]

we also know they have their issues but likely are doing what they can

should some good versioning out at least

[wind canopy]

Stop making fucking assumptions about what the devs/QA/employees are doing

You basically are. Do you have friends that work at Blizzard?

[cloud rover]

You are obsessed

With devs

[alpine wraith]

it will burn people out not the good way to go about things

[cloud rover]

and shitting on them

[royal veldt]

you should say something dumb again

i encourage it

[cloud rover]

Oh no

[royal veldt]

devs would appreciate someone less stupid

[cloud rover]

Deeny the Devil on his shoulder

[royal veldt]

but neither can get what they want

[quiet moon]

i can be ur angle and deeny can be ur devil

[alpine wraith]

when you work in a big team like microsoft 1 person does not change much in a huge pipeline

[quiet moon]

u should be nice to the devs bc they made something you care deeply about

[round latch]

yup pretty much

[royal veldt]

simple question

actually such an easy question to answer

[merry agate]

Well if i would be exploited asf by my employer my passion and Obsession would fade away pretty Quick

[royal veldt]

@vale lagoon are you a game dev?

[cloud rover]

You know this stuff can be severly u healthy+

and can destroy families

[rough rivet]

do we have a working macro to not spam symbols? i think there was one with pickpocket - do we use that? or is there a different solution

[keen dome]

I look at that bug and I despair. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon..

[quiet moon]

the only thing i find cool is updog

[wind canopy]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[round latch]

also based call,true and real

[royal veldt]

are you a game dev?

[cloud rover]

Whats up dog !?

[quiet moon]

nm whats up with u homie

[keen dome]

Are people being normal about gamedevs again

[cloud rover]

No

[keen dome]

By normal I mean very weird

[molten citrus]

!warn @vale lagoon throwing personal insults at the devs is a nono, which you've done a lot the past couple days

[cloud rover]

[molten citrus]

tbh i'm being light handed

[keen dome]

Trickster

It's almost certainly, in my opinion, due to the hotfix to solve the Trickster bug. And this is an unintentional side effect that'll get resolved at some point.

[quiet moon]

you should be under handed upper handed or whatever the fuck those pirate bozos use these days

[royal veldt]

BE EVIL

[alpine wraith]

sub evis is a bit complicated

thx to some talents

[cloud rover]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

[keen dome]

Has anybody seen if DS Evis is working properly?

If not i'll go check it myself 'cos I have a theory

[royal veldt]

you should wonder how to go to bed and calm down

lil bro

stop typing

just put the blanket on

[molten citrus]

are u gonna tuck me in?

[keen dome]

I think DS evis is working properly with Supercharger..

[royal veldt]

only if you let me kiss you on the forehead

(a homie kiss)

[cloud rover]

[royal veldt]

i personally think

you should go to bed

[keen dome]

Bed is very good, I just got out of mine.

[molten citrus]

nah

now you can send a 4cp finisher and consume DN buff

from the Supercharged combo points

[keen dome]

I was just hitting a dummy and looking at Evis (non-DN casts) with and without super combies and it looks like it's getting the bonus combies but I'm not 100% sure..

[cloud rover]

Btw

[molten citrus]

so legit anything considered "max cp" or higher consumes it now

[cloud rover]

Its Supercharger consumed

when parreid

[keen dome]

Huh? But that's a good fix.

[molten citrus]

it isn't getting the bonus damage from the Supercharged combo points

forcing 7 on sin definitely felt bad

just a random feels thing of my personal opinion

[keen dome]

Alright, fair. I legit can't tell for sure so would rather leave it to the smarter, better testers of this stuff. Thanks for clarifying though.

[molten citrus]

the way i tested was just sending a max cp evis with zero buffs, then doing the same with only symbols

did the same dmg

like it didn't even get the dmg modifier from symbols

[keen dome]

Yeah - I was trying to do that.

[lucid jackal]

Supercharge bug will be fixed soon

[muted agate]

soontm

[keen dome]

I wouldn't be shocked if it was fixed today or tomorrow.

I fully expect it to be an oversight with the outlaw fix

[lucid jackal]

Symbols icd as well

[oak portal]

Source for the weak faithed?

[lucid jackal]

I don't lie

That's your source

[keen dome]

@molten citrus Tested it using a better method with no buffs, etc and yep. Absolutely the same damage.

[oak portal]

Hallelujah man

[lucid jackal]

You can choose to believe me or not, but I am right

[keen dome]

Rip my theory of it being trickster related.

[alpine wraith]

evis and ds have same evis so yea

[vale pine]

lets hope

[alpine wraith]

we will also need to check if the other deathstalker's mark bug is fixed

lets pray

[lucid jackal]

There is no hope it's just happening

[cloud rover]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[vale pine]

oh, did you inform realz or anything?

[lucid jackal]

Yeh

[vale pine]

ah perfect

[keen dome]

Nice

[cloud rover]

Stoo

Stop right there

[lucid jackal]

You guys know he's just like, a person right

[cloud rover]

You are already warned

[wind canopy]

This guy doesn't.

[molten citrus]

did you mention symbols dmg modifier not working? :o

[haughty mural]

just go to bed

[cloud rover]

Take a break

[glacial stirrup]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[molten citrus]

if not it's not a huge deal i'm jw

[near rivet]

while we are at it, could be that locked mark consumption during DN is NotABug?

[keen dome]

It would be nice. They're just people, who can shitpost too.

[alpine wraith]

we dont really know it was fixed once at least

[cloud rover]

To See how they are shit talked here?

By guys like you

[lucid jackal]

Why the fuck would they interact in here when, full offense, you type and and communicate in the way you do

[molten citrus]

which other one?

[vale pine]

the one with the capstone

[teal coral]

!ban @vale lagoon your chat log is not excusable, trickz went too easy on you, and I’m not as nice as he is

[alpine wraith]

cant go below 3 stacks while DN is up

[sly shore]

[lucid jackal]

[molten citrus]

ahhh

[alpine wraith]

diced

[cloud rover]

[wind canopy]

HUGE

[sly shore]

Man got pruned

[royal veldt]

would you say hes a NormalGuy

[wind canopy]

Glad I was still awake for a bit

[quiet moon]

a sometimesguy

[keen dome]

Nice

[sly shore]

Two weeks to get banned crazy

[quiet moon]

tbf

[keen dome]

Speedrunning.

[cloud rover]

Any %

[alpine wraith]

some people are born speedrunners

[quiet moon]

the people that get banned are always new

[cloud rover]

Except hataro

[quiet moon]

its rare to see anyone here long get banned

[cloud rover]

I mean you dont make it long here, when you cant behave

[keen dome]

Being normal on the internet is a challenge for some.

[haughty mural]

ah enjoy the silence

[sly shore]

I am hinged

[quiet moon]

kingedpingedbinged

[wind canopy]

When the guy was talking about how he wanted to see some people in the guilds he was in dead "jokingly", I knew he was fucked up

[keen dome]

I just channel my strangeness into being a terrible rogue and mediocre shitposter.

[keen dome]

yikes, that's a big red flag.

[haughty mural]

and he wanted people to work in slave labor

[merry agate]

Wtf

[lucid jackal]

These types of people just make me so annoyed

It's a certain level of entitlement that makes me upset

[cloud rover]

Wdym thsts just a normal Thing to post in a public forum

[molten citrus]

oh i must've missed that shit

jesus

[lucid jackal]

"why don't the Devs talk in here, after for 3 days I spend calling develops incompetent dogs"

Literal subhuman garbage

[wind canopy]

Yeah, over the weekend/beginning of the week

[lucid jackal]

Customers really are the worst group of people

[keen dome]

Just treat them as human beings. It's frustrating to deal with bugs but they're still just people doing a relatively tough, awkward job.

[wind canopy]

So non-zero chance you missed it

[keen dome]

I do not miss working retail, lmao. Customers.. Never again.

[gritty knot]

Well tbf a fair amount of other ppl in this Discord in general have this certain amount of entitlement too but ye this Guy was def crazy 😂

[lucid jackal]

Oh it's not just him

[near rivet]

outing yourself as a someone from blizzard wont do you any good

[royal veldt]

ITS ASS

[lucid jackal]

It's just the mentality that he has is very pervasive across gaming communities

Drives me nuts

[royal veldt]

bad take

[wind canopy]

Like I get being frustrated at a game for bugs or weird decisions, but this was at another level

[keen dome]

I'd love it if Blizz devs felt comfortable talking about the development process, why things are weird or hacky, how stuff works, their cool solutions. Game dev is suuuuch a weird development space, but a lot of people get super aggresive towards them and it's sad.

[near rivet]

we think thats a good thing that devs reach to players etc

[vagrant sinew]

my uncle will ban you

[royal veldt]

ill hangout with your step uncle

[formal helm]

Not just gaming communities

[wind canopy]

True

[keen dome]

Yeah. Although I'd argue gaming communities tend to be the worst because of the 'culture' around it. the attitudes.

[lucid jackal]

True lol

[formal helm]

Just dealing with customers in general is a frustrating exp, esp if you're down the ladder so you can't do anything but wait for orders from above

[royal veldt]

because gamers are stupid and tend to be immature kids or people with no real world experience

and just feel entitlement

[near rivet]

but if guy is really from dev team, then its from his own initiative to hop in. He wil get no raise or praise from company, while dealing with potential stress of receiving tons of shittalk

[keen dome]

I used to be a librarian and holy shit people are awful to books / librarians.

[royal veldt]

guy doesnt owe anyone shit

neither do devs lmao

[wind canopy]

Same could be said in things like sports and fanbases

[formal helm]

Rn I'm a volunteer at a congress
Holy shit do people treat you like slave

[keen dome]

Oh wow. That's gotta be an experience

[vale pine]

I am reading something for like 5 mins and there is a ban in chat

wild

[keen dome]

It's a spicy morning.

[formal helm]

Yeah, fancy hotel and shit too
So they're rich customers so they feel even more entitled

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, that's hell.

[royal veldt]

you should make it two bans

[cosmic cairn]

same, wanted some heat and left without context

[royal veldt]

(find hataros burner)

[sweet summit]

whats the most u guys have spent on a mog

[near rivet]

to clarify, i dont mean Guy as our green guy on this discord, but just a person figure

[wind canopy]

100k gold

[keen dome]

I bought the heroic DH helm back in DF for like 300k, upgraded it to Mythic and then never used it.

[sweet summit]

i just spent 350k on a dagger

[quiet moon]

aint hard to find

[royal veldt]

figures dont also owe anyone shit
i think people got too comfortable with realz posting in here

[formal helm]

And we have management that's awful at communication since it's their 1st congress so they're hella confused

[muted agate]

has anyone tried ds in keys

[sweet summit]

oh shit

[molten citrus]

~3-4m or something

[royal veldt]

they think he owes them their entire undivided baby rage attention

[keen dome]

I'm glad i have it now though 'cos it looks nice, and I had a costume in mind and then didn't use it

Damn, trickz. You win.

[sweet summit]

on whatt ? ??

[royal veldt]

because he play rogue

[sweet summit]

i bought stealthblade because fuck that drop chance

[molten citrus]

full tier 3 before it was able to be obtained from anything but the BMAH

[sweet summit]

but holy 34 m

[cloud rover]

What a way to start in the day right

[molten citrus]

3 or 4m, not 34

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, tier 3. Nice.

[sweet summit]

nah ik i type lazy

[molten citrus]

ah

[sweet summit]

mb

[wind canopy]

Yeah, stealthblade was what I spent 100k gold on (or maybe a bit more)

[sweet summit]

worth

tbh

[royal veldt]

i couldnt afford consumes for raid

how u spending 3m on mogs

[near rivet]

if they are fixing the supercharged physical evi, they will also look at supercharged shadowed Evi, right? RIGHT?

[formal helm]

Ench for me tbh

[quiet moon]

u coulda bought 3 ah mounts with that t3 gold u dropped

[wind canopy]

[formal helm]

I got authority of depths early on

So yeah

[molten citrus]

boosting n stuffs

[royal veldt]

i struggled to afford consumes while being in HOF guild (unethical sunday raiding and OT)

[molten citrus]

yeh now i don't have enough for it atm

[keen dome]

Surely a HoF guild would supply those consumes to people?

[delicate ridge]

Ay while there is a bunch of people with perms here can one of you delete the "New Member" roll I got it from clicking "Ok!" in the Channels & Rolls thing not sure why it grants it been here since 2016 lol

[royal veldt]

yeah they did

but i was still poor

[keen dome]

Fair

[vale pine]

i considered the sub chat the fotm free zone

[alpine wraith]

new member hi

[delicate ridge]

[formal helm]

New member hi

[keen dome]

I still have it too, haha

[cloud rover]

Well it definitely hadnt something to do with fotm talk

[delicate ridge]

fuck

[cloud rover]

unfortunately

[quiet moon]

ur a new member until u retire from wow and end up in the ot retirement home

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[royal veldt]

and then you suck at deadlock

[quiet moon]

tru

but u didnt have to call me out like that

[royal veldt]

and only play haze

[molten citrus]

you can remove it in #bot-spam or in #welcome i think

[golden kelp]

is sub still superior on silken court after the patch? Seeing alot of assass

[royal veldt]

oh i was calling out jake

[delicate ridge]

Ive already gone casual

[delicate ridge]

I looked at history of people trying to but you can just give yourself member not remove new member

and cant unclick "Ok!"

[royal veldt]

jake not getting haze is like if a sylv dagger never dropped for 10 weeks in a row

[delicate ridge]

seems to just be an issue with how the role is set up or something

[wind canopy]

Btw, I got Deeny back into the spec channels again

[royal veldt]

LMAO

[wind canopy]

RIP IN PEPPERINOS

[royal veldt]

i aint even got the game installed

i deleted my wtf folder

[quiet moon]

its ofer

[wind canopy]

TRUE, you're better than me

[quiet moon]

he aint coming back

ed i know deep down u still want to play

[molten citrus]

ah idk, only orange+ can remove roles, but it doesn't change anything for you having it

[wind canopy]

NOPE

[alpine wraith]

you get to live the shame

of being new forever

[quiet moon]

u tried getting people to run m+ with u earlier

[delicate ridge]

Yea nah ik its just weird to have + the role itself should be fixed probably heaps of people have both the Member and New member role at the same time its very odd

[royal veldt]

i was in sub channel back in 8.3

im a real one

[fierce cedar]

is it just me or is the first aoe build in faq out of date in game

[cloud rover]

Ok thats a real quit

To delte your WTF Folder

[royal veldt]

im the FORMER number 1 most submissive and breedable rogue NA

[alpine wraith]

we dont really have an aoe build unless you play deathstalker

[cloud rover]

There is no coming back

Without WTF Folder

[royal veldt]

it was actually very hard for me to do lmao

i kinda regret it

[molten citrus]

check wowhead for updated stuffs

[fierce cedar]

ait

ty

[wind canopy]

Yeah, those attempts are like the 1% chance of keeping me around. But that failed, so NOPE

[cloud rover]

You only regret it, when you start playing again

[royal veldt]

i deleted any and everything related to wow from cloud and desktop

[alpine wraith]

think i will die first

[quiet moon]

ill do one if u heal it

[cloud rover]

Except Ravenholdt DC :p

[wind canopy]

Hey

Fuck you

[quiet moon]

also u wouldnt run the outlaw only 17 with me

so i dont wanna hear it

[wind canopy]

:3

[royal veldt]

if i ever play again itll be some sort of classic

[vale pine]

new member role is automated by discord, so can't to my nowlage

[royal veldt]

because brain too dumb

[quiet moon]

classic bfa

[cloud rover]

Classic Pandaland !?

[quiet moon]

ill be there no matter what

[cloud rover]

ToT progress

[royal veldt]

but really its because being mr retail manager sucks and i dont wanna spend free time raging at the game

oh brother

CANT WAIT TO NOT GET CORAL

im playing sub in bfa

[delicate ridge]

It 100% happened when I clicked "Ok!" on the channels & rolls thing when I was trying to figure out the bug with the league channel when you were moving us there not sure why but that is the thing that gave it to me

[quiet moon]

cool im playing fire mage

[royal veldt]

ill get a bigger crit than hacha did

[vale pine]

i haven't followed the discussion but its wild how diffrent people act when they know there might be a person working at blizz watching the chat

[sweet summit]

fuu show me yr mog ❤️

[royal veldt]

you're pathetic

play frost

[quiet moon]

i played both

[cloud rover]

Yeah some are unhinged

[royal veldt]

play frost only

catkiss would be ashamed of you

[quiet moon]

my gold parses were on frost

[vale pine]

#transmog message

[royal veldt]

i do wanna play wow again but man

[sweet summit]

u goblin

[royal veldt]

i cant let my gf know that side of me

she thinks i just play cs

[sweet summit]

i fw u tough still

[royal veldt]

[formal helm]

What even happened? Why did the guy get banned?

[quiet moon]

id rather my girl know i play wow than cs

[molten citrus]

oh oof

[royal veldt]

i cant let my girl know my mog is cuter than hers would ever be

so she not allowed to play wow

[jaunty heath]

fuu

[royal veldt]

and neither am i

[jaunty heath]

how cld u do this

[royal veldt]

BAN HIM AGAIN

BAN EVASION

GET HIM OUT

[sweet summit]

?

[royal veldt]

idk im shitposting

[sweet summit]

based

[alpine wraith]

chicken feet

[jaunty heath]

are u a hot asian women

[royal veldt]

i am when i put on the cat ears

[jaunty heath]

ill take it

[royal veldt]

oh i bet you will

[jaunty heath]

im starving..........

[quiet moon]

u are when u dont too

[royal veldt]

@quiet moon new ones dont know fr

[wind canopy]

[alpine wraith]

hmm

[royal veldt]

also is it really that hard

to know the difference

between woman/women

mfs quit studying logs

study some hooked on phonics

😭

[jaunty heath]

yeah

[wind canopy]

Hmm...

[jaunty heath]

its like mouse n mice

[formal helm]

Nah, there's no whamen on internet

[alpine wraith]

cant stop the logs!

[quiet moon]

how can i study hooked on phonics when i b hooked on tonics

[formal helm]

Only dudes

[vale pine]

maybe i am wrong, the person did say you can remove it by clikcing the "ok!" button

[royal veldt]

i be hooked on u

[haughty mural]

i did

[quiet moon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-star-hooks-cheese-gif-21401144

[delicate ridge]

Cant I have tried unable to unclick the button

[molten citrus]

naw he said it wouldn't unselect Ok! when he clicked it

i believe

[royal veldt]

we're asian, its in our blood. mother did not let me have bad grammar

[vale pine]

oh

[royal veldt]

(yeah i did that on purpose)

[delicate ridge]

Ok! is what gave it to me and its not able to be unselected

[molten citrus]

yeah it's a Discord issue

[vale pine]

undead, but close enough

[molten citrus]

it prolly goes away after a couple weeks

[vale pine]

i looked at races

and was like

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[delicate ridge]

Yea seems like its just cooked and yea it may not sure

[wind canopy]

I thought it was a poke at me about logs

[teal prawn]

I would

[jaunty heath]

shldve went nelf

[royal veldt]

oh no it wasnt directed to u

[vale pine]

"what could be the worse"

[quiet moon]

only if he heals again tho right

[wind canopy]

k, AND DON'T YOU SAY IT

[vale pine]

and then choose undead

[royal veldt]

since u brought it up, do you mind going over my logs and helping me out?

[vale pine]

jucy 1.6% dps worse

[wind canopy]

:3

[royal veldt]

he just angry :3

[quiet moon]

ive dropped logs that parsed higher than some of baeyer’s ground tank sessions

[royal veldt]

in spec channel

thats CRAZY

[vale pine]

there is no nelf on horde

[royal veldt]

:3

[jaunty heath]

go alliance

[vale pine]

we had no cross realm when i created the char

and you still can't quest together

[wind canopy]

But for real, I'm done. Just tired of trying to organize groups and shit. Just off to do my own thing.

[jaunty heath]

Make a sub guide

[royal veldt]

hit my line

[quiet moon]

not his line

ull get a nosebleed

[wind canopy]

[royal veldt]

why u callin me out

its been awhile

[vale pine]

so if your gf/friends are horde you need to chooce between options

[vale pine]

wdym?

[tawdry kiln]

Im a human irl so I picked human for my rogue

[jaunty heath]

I mean make a sub guide

[vale pine]

human is like the worse race in existence

[molten citrus]

he already did

[vale pine]

let me explain why

[tawdry kiln]

Why 🥹

Ok

[royal veldt]

i wish fuu would make a sub guide

[jaunty heath]

ur no fuu

foo.

[royal veldt]

and guy would make an outlaw guide

[molten citrus]

it's on wowhead

[keen dome]

true.

[quiet moon]

deeny u should make a sub guide

[royal veldt]

step 1
be submissive

[jaunty heath]

i dont like reading i like listening

[royal veldt]

step 2
be breedable

[jaunty heath]

@vale pine make a video guide with words

[quiet moon]

im failing at step 2

[royal veldt]

dont ping the orange

[quiet moon]

how do i improve

[teal prawn]

You’ll never get to teach me sub rogue in keys this way

[molten citrus]

get one of those things that reads the web page to you

ez

[vale pine]

you play a fantasy rpg, you have access to so many fantastic options.
Playing human is the most boring of a decision you can make if you can be a dragon, a zombie, a alien, a panda, a cow, a orc etc...

[jaunty heath]

it wldnt be the same

[keen dome]

Hallows end starting today. I'm excited to start my 15th? year in WoW without the mount dropping.

[vale pine]

i get why people do it, its the fantasy of being the human in a fantasy world

[jaunty heath]

unc

[oak portal]

If i wanted to play undead

Id go to work

[vale pine]

i might do that, but haven't had much time for it

[wind canopy]

Why you even thinking I can teach you the spec

[jaunty heath]

Youuu neeeeed to it brings in more players to the specccc

[tawdry kiln]

I understand, I like humans stealth animation + mogs fits well on them

[sweet summit]

true

[jaunty heath]

theres not alot of help w sub on yt

[quiet moon]

you can teach him wrong, as a joke though

[sweet summit]

hes right tho

yr the sub advocate

the sub avatar

[royal veldt]

@quiet moon i got work tomorrow im boutta do something i will regret

HOP IN THE VC

[delicate ridge]

is it that hard to read a written guide

[vale pine]

to be fair, i would love having more fantasy races and less reskins

[jaunty heath]

fuu is the subs whysper

plzzzzzz

[teal prawn]

I wish rogue had better hero talents

[jaunty heath]

im begging

[royal veldt]

@wind canopy NOT LIKE THAT

nose beer era is done

[bronze turret]

Idk if whispyr agrees

[quiet moon]

homie im on my phone with my lights off im going to bed

[jaunty heath]

why wldnt he

[royal veldt]

itll take 5 seconds

[vale pine]

trickster is kinda good

ngl

the rest is...

well

[sweet summit]

i think there not being an easy video to see probably pushes some ppl away from learning the spec

[keen dome]

Horsemen seems uh. Confused.

[vale pine]

existent

[keen dome]

I'm not sure I should be doing 6.2m DPS.

[vale pine]

hope it drops for you, i got it some years ago

[vale pine]

scaling problem maybe?

[keen dome]

I think the Shadowblades in legacy content bug is back

[molten citrus]

yeah

[jaunty heath]

IR EVEN GESTAL

PLZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[molten citrus]

scaling is always crazy in holiday events

[teal prawn]

Trickster is confusing to my small brain

[delicate ridge]

I guess it could help ease people into this incredibly unintuitive spec but it would take a bit of time its not like its the easiest thing to do in the world

[keen dome]

I noticed it on the non-new anniversary wrodl bosses too.

So I assume it's the Shadowblades doing something werid to legacy content, which I recall was a bug in the past?

[sweet summit]

i mean i started two months ago on assass because i wanted to play rogue

[vale pine]

2x symbols 2x dance during flag/blades
symbols with secret between.
hold charges closer to flag/blades coming off cd

[tawdry kiln]

Its tricky ☝️🤓

[vale pine]

it sounds confusing but plays quite nicely

[warm marlin]

I like fatebound a lot on outlaw because of how non intrusive it is with some nice passives

but ds is wack

[vale pine]

i like the fatebound idea

[teal prawn]

Maybe I try soon. I’ll be back for questions

[vale pine]

the execution could be better

[delicate ridge]

That is the way to do it and swap over to sub if you enjoy the theme or something along those lines

[vale pine]

also i think KS rly needs a rework

to make trickster more appealing

[sweet summit]

thats what i did

[teal prawn]

Fatebound is nice cause it’s completely passive and it’s nice to have a tree like that but also not hitting the capstone feels bad regardless

[sweet summit]

imagine there was a definitive video resource like whispyrs but for sub

ppl dont hate the spec they just dont know how to get better yknow

[vale pine]

i think hachadino does some videos

i am sorry if i am not aware of anyone

[delicate ridge]

Have not actually seen whispyrs video as I live and breathe sub rogue

[keen dome]

100%. As people've said, just steal the DH move. It'd fit so well!

[warm marlin]

DS plays so much better on sin than sub but it’s still a bit contrived at times when your DN runs out due to downtime or whatever

[vale pine]

because i personally don't follow wow youtube content a lot

[sweet summit]

i watch him do some keys too hes a good resource

but not definitive video about the spec in depth type thing

[round latch]

[keen dome]

With how fast the spec has been changing, content like that would be pretty time intensive atm

[sweet summit]

yea i agree

i think the change we got just now was HUGE

and makes the spec a bit better to learn

[keen dome]

It'd be good to have but it's such a lot of work.

[vale pine]

well my current free time is used for:

• trying more things to improve the apl
• I rly want to add more visuals to the rotation guide on wowhead, i feel it would help with understanding the spec

[wind canopy]

Yeah, that's kinda why doing videos aren't great 😐

[sweet summit]

yes

[round latch]

i think rotten feels very good idk about you boys

i like it

[sweet summit]

the visuals are so helpful

[keen dome]

Same, Sap

It's great

[sweet summit]

i use it constantly

the more visuals to go with the text the better

[vale pine]

eleem already added some examples to the tc thread

i have some diffrent ideas, but need to see

rly liked the symbols ones i had for 11.0.2

[keen dome]

VIsuals are always super helpful to recontextualize information. Big fan of both the guide atm and the tc info

[vale pine]

these

[keen dome]

That's really helpful, yeah. I like those a lot.

[alpine wraith]

i usually wait a bit to do the more in depth ones

[vale pine]

think so too, it is why i added many to the 11.0.5 rogue change article.

[alpine wraith]

like this weekend i will try to get the trickster ones out unless we find more things

although the funny thing is checking what got fixed from the last post

and if guy is right they might fix more things

also RIP flensing knives

[vale pine]

i hope so

if they fix DN

does this mean i need to play deathstalker?

[ornate current]

justice for [ ]

[round latch]

trickster dries one sod

[alpine wraith]

ah yea the funny DO I PLAY DS??¿¿!!

[molten citrus]

anyone else see Symbols damage buff not working?

or just me

[alpine wraith]

you mean the 6

%?

[merry agate]

The talent that never Was
Pour one out 🙏

[molten citrus]

the 3/6 yes

[alpine wraith]

it is possible cant check tho

after i get home i will see

[vale pine]

i can check later

[molten citrus]

it definitely wasn't for me with 1 point in the talent

i haven't tested the 6

[alpine wraith]

that little diff of % is a bit harder to check surely

but thankfully we have 3 stacks

[molten citrus]

i did less damage

[alpine wraith]

so should be a fast check

[molten citrus]

with symbols active

[alpine wraith]

wait what

that would be hilarious

[molten citrus]

yeah lol

barely less, but less

[alpine wraith]

instead of +6 -6

we would get rotated like a whale shark

[molten citrus]

i was testing the supercharger bug

[keen dome]

That'd be really funny.

Maybe that's part of the Supercharger bug, then

Some weird interaction with the Symbols talent

[alpine wraith]

you would check with backstab

instead of finishers just to be sure

[molten citrus]

sec i'll test a stab

[wispy sedge]

On full cd rotation do we wait a couple of globals before the second dance for sectec or just send and sectec mid dance?

[alpine wraith]

you dance twice in a row

[keen dome]

Below red line without, above with symbols.

[alpine wraith]

second sec tech is whenever

[alpine wraith]

MAN

now that is a clincher

[near rivet]

take note that fazed went off

[keen dome]

Ye

[near rivet]

it should be an 5% amp

[keen dome]

I'm trying to think of a way to remove as many variables as possible.

[near rivet]

dump unseen blade on dummy A and test on dummy b

might want to unlearn rotten

[keen dome]

Smart

No rotten here, no fazed.

What I think is interesting is the 40k initial hit and the 47.2k hit.

Which should be roughly 16% more?

[merry agate]

IF TRUE...thank god that dude got banned he would have exploded

[molten citrus]

it seems like it's working on stab

doing 30-45k no symbols

at least 50k ish with symbols

no fw or anything else

[alpine wraith]

then only thing left is see if they fix evis krangling

[keen dome]

I bet it's a really simple oversight, haha

[alpine wraith]

yea likely touched some things for both evis and dispatch

then did a whoopsie

[near rivet]

they screw this up with outlaw fix or that assa fix?

[alpine wraith]

no idea

it didnt work already with shadowed

so maybe they just killed it completely to redo it

[near rivet]

outlaw was around 6PM eu time and assa was around 9 i guess

[alpine wraith]

and might work with both eventually

[near rivet]

just merge them already

ffs

[alpine wraith]

i do not like how shadowed or sec tech work yea

they are making things harder to do for no reason

[outer parrot]

why are ppl playing trickster on ST? works better timing wise on some fights?

[muted agate]

when they uncap crests man

[near rivet]

bugs

[keen dome]

11.0.7 maybe

[outer parrot]

as in bugs with ds or bugs with trickster

or both 🙂

[near rivet]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Bugs - Subtlety Rogue

[median nacelle]

its a bug tier with spiders as bosses, goes with the theme

https://tenor.com/view/buggriddy-lusgifs-bug-griddy-griddy-gif-1934725039210711653

[near rivet]

eleem had one excel with bugs

the DS have more negative bugs

[outer parrot]

ah okay ty

[fossil gyro]

Those are sweet

[vale pine]

sadly outdated ^^

because 11.0.5

[alpine wraith]

yea now we are doing cool things with sec tech

i have found kinda the groove now

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nimble burrow]

[vale pine]

i like the 11.0.5 changes

i was sceptial before tho

supercharges is way better than i thought

[keen dome]

S a m e

[vale pine]

tho i think my point was still valid

[keen dome]

Just need our Evis fixed and we're rocking some good gameplay (At least it's just Evis)

[vale pine]

even if the changes end up as a net positive

needing 2 weeks of tcing and some in game testing/experience

to know its better

is not ideal

you rly would want to have changes that are clearly a benefit

[alpine wraith]

well it is quite krangled after 3 mins

but not as horrible

[keen dome]

When aren't we krangled, haha

[vestal escarp]

Usure if sub should be left as is

[vale pine]

ideally we get improvements

[vestal escarp]

Players (including me) perceived this changes as good simply because their sod and dance uptime went up

Due to stronger cdr of supercharger and coup fix

[vale pine]

its good because numbers went up

you can perform easier

[keen dome]

I imagine they'll build on this. It feels like a good stepping stone.

[vale pine]

exctly

[vestal escarp]

Yeah but numbers went up because you're more in sod

[vale pine]

yep, ideally "chase the fun"

so keep what works well

[keen dome]

Yeah

[vale pine]

and improve on things that don't

[keen dome]

Like, they've gotten rid of Dust. And build in more Symbols. So next is ideally looking at some disliked talents like PV, etc. Hopefully.

[vestal escarp]

In a raid fight your dmg collapses as it gets longer

[keen dome]

You've got a core backbone setup now.

[vestal escarp]

In keys you're looking for downtime to pool stuff a bit more

[keen dome]

Tornado, PV, Lingering Shadows, the entire right-arm that is never ever used, etc.

[merry agate]

Havent really had long Fights...raid is this evening... why is that?

Our dance Generation cant keep up after some time?

[vale pine]

yes, thats because of how symbols charges work

you have 2 spare charges

the gameplay is unintuitive

because of blank symbols casts

[vestal escarp]

Yeah and the cb clock alone mid cds is weak dmg currently

[vale pine]

and blank secrets

and that you run out of extra charges on your 3rd set of big cooldowns

but it still feels overall good

and fighs are for most people not too long

also one thing we completely forget is

[vestal escarp]

Simply saying that it's just a honeymoon phase

[vale pine]

the tier set bonus

which won't carry over to the 2nd raid

[vale pine]

tbh i think its the first change since beta that was surprisingly refreshing

many things work better than you think

e.g. the extra symbols charges end up allowing for nice sequences in keys

so downtime is not as punishing

[vestal escarp]

Yeah i said it

[keen dome]

Also more flexibility around a bad tank, which I think is really worth mentioning.

[vestal escarp]

In keys you're even looking for downtime to pool some sod

If you cant you lose slme gas easily

[keen dome]

It's like the best part of DB

Yeah