subtlety

[gilded ferry]

time to hit the dummy and read guides ❤️

[uneven scarab]

Deathstalker feels very sad compared to trickster literally anywhere I played it

[round latch]

u didnt rly que arenas did u

[bleak wind]

vanish actually feels weird now on a 2 min cooldown

[round latch]

[uneven scarab]

I dun pvp

[gilded ferry]

idk if anyone likes to do it or not, but to learn rotations i keep entering fresh pugs of raids and leaving after the first boss

shirekwing was the perfect boss for this

learned a lot from that bat

[round latch]

its where deathstalker rly excels

[lucid jackal]

Nah cuz platform 1 is gonna be a nightmare

[uneven scarab]

What makes it so good? Just the random dn burst?

[sacred yarrow]

why not lfr, if its just the rotation

[gilded ferry]

the wait is way longer than a normal pug

with 620+ ilvl its an insta invite

[round latch]

tankier and on demand set ups pretty much.Sin and outlaw cant do that the way sub does

[lucid jackal]

I'd say everybody should play sub on the fight, if they can play it

[uneven scarab]

good point tbh

[lucid jackal]

The boss never dies to damage really, so playing the spec that "Does so mething" is probs better

cuz sin doesn't "Do anything" it just does damage

kwim

[gilded ferry]

now that you are finished, are you going back to the law guy?

zac was mentioning it was pretty fun

[inner meadow]

anyone know if Dark Brew affects the deathstalker plague damage?

[lucid jackal]

Well I'll be playing sub the first few kills just to make it not a pain in the ass, but also, I really like Sub rn

I might play it all tier now that it's fixed

[round latch]

if u search right now,on twitch,on every channel/game/chatting or whatever u wont find a streamer with ur voice

i sht u not

u are blessed with this gift

[gilded ferry]

thats true

every time guy goes to max to talk about rogue chat becomes unhinged

[hazy breach]

It does

[inner meadow]

ah ty

[round latch]

could easily work on radio station or a podcast or something

[gilded ferry]

oh nice, now we have dance for every symbols in trickster?

[round latch]

compared to the current ones we got guy is amillion times better

[gilded ferry]

thats so cool

[round latch]

yup

[gilded ferry]

it will be hard for me to get used to delay the shadowblades

[lucid jackal]

Nope

On queen I think I missed like 3-4 in total

[alpine wraith]

you have to send some dry yes

[gritty knot]

So after playing assa the last weeks and just recently checking out the Outlaw discord channel, why is the Sub channel by far the only sane one out of these three 😂

[uneven scarab]

takes a gentleman to play sub rogue

Outlaw could never

[hard wolf]

Its moments like these i wish outlaw channel would be deleted

[left ledge]

Yeah I’ll probably be trying both out ngl

[gilded ferry]

so, a lot of variables then

[left ledge]

Our comp is a lil diff than most

[gilded ferry]

i have a hard time with variables

[left ledge]

But I’ll probably end up as sub

I don’t like the way sin plays on queen

[umbral apex]

All of my friends who play outlaw can’t sit still in their chair for more than 2 seconds

[cloud rover]

I wish

[red vortex]

crazy how replicant shadow is just better

[lucid jackal]

I mean idk

After I played the fight, I think sin is worse

U can do whatever u want at the end of the day, but sin just does damage, sub does a job and also good damage

[grizzled hornet]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[lucid jackal]

So idk, sub just seems like a no brainer

[gilded ferry]

wait, sorry for the ping @vale pine but wowhead has different info from the eleem post in pins, which one should i follow?

[hazy breach]

Sub is also tankier than assa

With the +10% dr from dance/vanish and +8% increased healing takne

[vale pine]

what infor mation is diffrent

[alpine wraith]

and fazed

remember it also gives 5% dr

[vale pine]

both should be the same

[hazy breach]

My bad i should edit it

[autumn flame]

can send dm into absorb guy

[vale pine]

If there is a inconsistency, let me know

[hazy breach]

It was on my end fuu, dw about it

[alpine wraith]

relog

[left ledge]

Lag bug

[alpine wraith]

it is a bug

[lucid jackal]

The shield ad? I did literal tank damage to 2nd platform cuz I do door

[left ledge]

If you lag a lot it happens

[lucid jackal]

I think I hit it with 3 evis and thats it

[left ledge]

My only problem with locking in sub 100% is that I hate transmitter

It really can be so troll

[lucid jackal]

Yeh just gotta l2p sadly

[left ledge]

I get used to it sure

But sometimes you get orb

[autumn flame]

i dont so kinda crank that add

[left ledge]

And you wanna pick it up a lil later

[lucid jackal]

whats that add called, devoted worshipper?

[maiden hamlet]

I have less problems with transmitter than I did with witherbarks branch

[autumn flame]

aye im topping dmg last evening

[gilded ferry]

i could have read wrong, but, your post does not say anything about keeping double charges of symbols

[autumn flame]

on that add

[autumn flame]

xdd

[left ledge]

I mean there are times where I can’t even see the orb man

And I don’t wanna move on people

It’s not like I’m incapable, I just dislike it

[maiden hamlet]

That's fair

[vale pine]

possible i can look into it tomorrow, i want to put in more details in the optimization section

[uneven scarab]

Literally any of them are fine and then theres orb

[left ledge]

I’ll see how annoying it is on queen

[uneven scarab]

Which gets lost so fucking easily

[maiden hamlet]

It's just less annoying than that stupid branch

[left ledge]

I get orb like 3/4 times

So

Idk

It’s almost always orb for me

[uneven scarab]

The other two are so easy to solve

orb just floats away

Sails away

[autumn flame]

dunno sub is obviously tankier but ye idk i feel like the specs are really close

[left ledge]

But fuck it

[fair stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gLeSbPx2EoER2zfjxTPiEy any idea what am I doing wrong with this sim?

[maiden hamlet]

Branch had 3 watery orbs which were infinitely harder to see

And it was always 3 orbs

[uneven scarab]

Yeah they didnt move away from you though

They came towards you

Transmitter orb just floats off wherever it wants to go

[maiden hamlet]

Mechanics would screw with it more than the one orb- at least in my experience

Also collecting all 3 is worse than jumping 3x

[uneven scarab]

idk man ive had the orb just go under ovinax and it’s completely lost

Gl finding it

standing inside the boss hoping i grab it

[maiden hamlet]

It's still not ideal, I'm not fully disagreeing - I just have less problems than that trinket

[uneven scarab]

Oh i think its fine

I get orb the least

Id rather not have witherbark branch 2.0 but

Kinda the only option

[vestal escarp]

ok so we wait the unfair huge sin nerf and we gucci

for keys

[uneven scarab]

Sin aura nerf then we blastin

[vestal escarp]

enve down 15% + 5% aura nerf

yeah basically amirdrassil

[uneven scarab]

Atleast its not kb’s fault this time

[half galleon]

surely outlaw players just had a good sleep last night

[wind canopy]

Yeah, saw a few outlaw rogues abusing those bugs

[alpine wraith]

a few

[wind canopy]

Yeah, just a few

[strange chasm]

So trickster and ds play pretty much the same hey?

[steel horizon]

Is this raid boss damage?

[keen dome]

One of the funniest images today, honestly. That little dot is incredible

[vale pine]

seems like they fixed the bug

time to unpin

[half galleon]

[strange chasm]

In terms of sending cds. Like we aren't trying to slam 3 sectech in a flag window?

[half galleon]

blizzard fixed something

[deft oar]

the sectec used in the first naked symbols ends up getting CB, how much dmg are we losing here for using it on a non dance sectec

[alpine wraith]

no first naked symbols does not get CB

because it is at 60 secs

[half galleon]

that is indeed boss dam

[alpine wraith]

second cb is with the fourth dance

[weary kite]

which bug of the 69 did they fix?

[left ledge]

When is the next sin buff coming now that coup is fixed

[vale pine]

coup bug

i haven't had time to look for anything else

[left ledge]

Any balance teamers in chat?

[vale pine]

but blizz just pushed a lot of server sided scripts

so there is potential for mroe bugfixes

[left ledge]

SOMEONE CHECK IF SHADOWED FINISHERS WORK

GO GO GO

[weary kite]

By coup bug was it the one that it had a gcd greater than one?

[left ledge]

PLEASE

MAYBE BLADES WORKS WITH SECTEC AND NIMBLE NOW

[deft oar]

that's weird im looking at my logs and it's sending it with the naked symbols at 1min

[uneven scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-cry-sorry-crying-sad-gif-15787985

[left ledge]

STOP

SURELY

PLEASE

ONE FIX

[uneven scarab]

[tulip trail]

Please mister blizz sir may I just have one more tiny helping of bigfix

[vale pine]

i think i should update the bot

to not allow multiple messages with ALL CAPS

[alpine wraith]

then you messed up unlucky

[gilded ferry]

question: with the new optimizations, did sub changed positions in m+

[mental comet]

why the shurikens are so big now ?

[gilded ferry]

or does it still feel like shit

[alpine wraith]

no more AAAaaAAAAAAAAaAAA

[left ledge]

Shuriken combo foreshadowing

[mental comet]

fan of knives for sin has gigantic knives too

[vale pine]

yes

subtelty is now decent in m+

not op

[tulip trail]

Omg we might get a neat spell effect for once?

[vale pine]

but not as noticable behind anymore

[alpine wraith]

oh true they made a new FX for shuriken

[uneven scarab]

yo really?

[alpine wraith]

yea it is bigger and more purple

[mental comet]

its same as old animation just half the shurikens are enlarged

[uneven scarab]

more purple tho

We are winning

[mental comet]

so big

looks goofy

the knives on FoK are gigantic too looks silly

[steel horizon]

Yeeees visual effect updates. Just what we needed

[mental comet]

i think it has to be a bug

[umbral apex]

They look like the shurikens I used to cut out in grade 3

[tulip trail]

Bet it was just bugged and showing small before and took them a few years to notice

[gilded ferry]

embrace the sillyness

[deft oar]

im looking at a bunch of top parses and all the CBs are going at 1:05

[mental comet]

i miss the original fok animation from wotlk beta, when it looked like the fok warden had in wc3

[raw ivy]

xhat is th m+ death stalker build guys?

[gilded ferry]

i just hope that they only hotfix the bug idk

or even better

[left ledge]

The past like 12 hours was the best outlaw channel has ever been for me

[gilded ferry]

fix the other stuff with it

[alpine wraith]

they also messed up then!

nice to see

[gilded ferry]

i miss classic ambush sound

[alpine wraith]

welcome to day 2

[tulip trail]

It's the funniest it's ever been atm

[vale pine]

looks nice

[mental comet]

looks weird when u do it ingame idk

[spark tusk]

I like strike but I also miss classic ambush too

[flint umbra]

idk why blizzard fixes that bug, but leave in the bf one

[mental comet]

same they butchered all the old sounds

[flint umbra]

its legit so fucking dumb

[mental comet]

ice lance sound butchered worst of all

[umbral apex]

YOOOO

90$ AH mount!!!

[uneven scarab]

90usd

[alpine wraith]

should be around 50 or something like that

[uneven scarab]

Fucking lol

[alpine wraith]

but it is not a huge diff

it is back for cds anyway

[mental comet]

?????????????????????

[vestal escarp]

i-if we buy it they get the money to fix the bugs right?

[umbral apex]

Bro it has MAIL too!

[mental comet]

lmfao

[umbral apex]

Guildies who have the original long boi are malding right now

[uneven scarab]

Does it also make my guildies do mechanics properly

[umbral apex]

😂

[sly shore]

I'm swagged out

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[left ledge]

wtf is that

What

[strange chasm]

Not even worried about buying it. Have gold from last tier sales

[left ledge]

Is that a new ah mount?

Where

[sly shore]

yes

store

£60

[left ledge]

Oh ffs

[uneven scarab]

90 dollars

Why did you

[left ledge]

What the fuck

[uneven scarab]

Support that

[ornate current]

what is the reason replicating shadows sims more ?

[uneven scarab]

[left ledge]

Ok

China man from g2g will buy it for me

For 20 dollar

Thx

[sacred yarrow]

90 dolla? dornogal will be full of them just for the people flexing their bux

[strange chasm]

90$ is nothing if your guild does sales

Legit bought the expac with sale gold

[sly shore]

yeah the game I play 10 hours a day, why did i just make my life easier

[uneven scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/you-do-you-point-nod-yes-good-gif-5281405

[keen dome]

I'm tempted. I think it's about.. 2m? or something close to it? 6 tokens I guess.

[sly shore]

tokens are sold out

in EU AH

[keen dome]

lmao, no way

[pliant topaz]

swagged out @sly shore

[sly shore]

🤝

[mental comet]

lol already like 10 dudes in dornogal with it on my realm

[steel horizon]

in ST? cus its the best of the "bad" options

[keen dome]

This mount is genius, honestly. They're going to make so much money.

[sly shore]

100%

[keen dome]

However, I am mad there are no tokens available right now.

[sly shore]

millions

[pliant topaz]

legit all my friends are buying it lmfao

[keen dome]

Ahahaha

I mean it's WAY cheaper than the OG one so it's just smart.

[sly shore]

and it has mail instead of repair

it's flat out better for use lmao

[keen dome]

Yeah, lmao

[steel horizon]

you could use imp shadow techniques, gloomblade, or first dance but they all sim slightly worse

[ornate current]

yea simed it now

would like to see gloomblade but i guess its better for DS than trickster

[keen dome]

Fuck it I'm buying it

[ornate current]

negative 80 euro

[steel horizon]

ooo cant wait to see the price in CAD

[umbral apex]

It’s 120CAD

[steel horizon]

LOOOOOL

[sick jackal]

did they fix sub aswell?

[alpine wraith]

yes

[sick jackal]

nice

[strange chasm]

What did they fix for sub?

[sick jackal]

same combo point bug was on sub aswell

just didnt make it broken as much as outlaw

[pliant topaz]

god is good

[edgy zenith]

this fixes it for us too, right?

(please)

[keen dome]

this is such a funny mail to me.

[half galleon]

i think they are making some money

[steel zinc]

I have millions od gold perfect way to spend it

[pliant topaz]

most based thing ive read all day

so based so based

@sly shore

[keen dome]

lmao

[umbral apex]

don't give blizz any ideas xD

[sly shore]

faker skin in wow

[steel zinc]

Also you got time it's until January 6th

[pliant topaz]

comes with ions signiture

we are so back

[steel zinc]

So even if you don't want to spend the money you can farm the tokens

[lilac stag]

No tokens to buy. Kekw

NA legit sold out instantly

[keen dome]

EU is the same

[pliant topaz]

spot the difference

[umbral apex]

I'm patient, I'll just tell my mom that's what I want for christmas

[keen dome]

Whichever marketing guy at Blizz came up with this, absolute genius.

[lilac stag]

Mail box nice addition

[strange chasm]

Waiting until Jan 6th and tokens go back lol

[lilac stag]

it’s a nice sale. What was OG? 5 milli?

[steel spindle]

It's like Jurrasic Park

[vale pine]

you are part of the problem too!

[steel spindle]

absolutely. Same with the people who bought the year long sub for the cat mount.

[keen dome]

Cats are priceless

[vale pine]

absolutely

[steel spindle]

As long as they make as much money off us as they can before we die huh.

[keen dome]

That's the purpose of a cat.

We are merely their caretakers.

[pliant topaz]

nah im showing blizzard my appreciation for banning these outlaw fucks

[hard wren]

I am not paying for that, I'd pay to get 'boost' to 636 characters tho

250 bucks each

? good idea?

[steel spindle]

There are other cats who need love too and who are free

[strange chasm]

That's a fake picture lol not even the TWW loading screen

[keen dome]

Free.. cats??

[vale pine]

182 days, nice

[pliant topaz]

kekw

[hard wren]

blizz banned me once didn't refund my play time

[pliant topaz]

yeah but they all got a 1 week ban

[gritty knot]

Okay guys I think I am back as sub, fk assa. Whats the best m+ build rn, is the trickster one u linked last @vale pine in the pins still the one to go?

[strange chasm]

Interested to know if they fixed other bugs

Sin super charger now works with DN

[vale pine]

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMzy0YGzMmBzMDzMzMMmthZGbbzMjZmZMglZZAAAAYGMAGzmhBGYW0CtYDG

[gritty knot]

thx ❤️

[vale pine]

nice, if anyone has time

to check if DN is fixed for sub

[gritty knot]

man i just love this channel I am so sick of the assa channel, I was assa for around 2 weeks and it was just fkn toxic all the time xD

[vestal escarp]

dang i was gonna bank on them

they're reaching 500k by the weekend

[strange chasm]

Just wait a couple days

[vale pine]

you sure its for the exploit not botting or other stzuff?

[alpine wraith]

that pic is a bait like someone said

that one is from tbc

[gritty knot]

ye its fake

i dont think they will ban ppl tbh

just remove logs and stuff

i actually don't wanna know how many ppl used that exploit the last days....

[tough knot]

The picture has the dark portal

[strange chasm]

It's like speeding. If everyone does 10 over the speed limit cops legit can't pull everyone over

Same thing applies to the outlaw bug everyone was doing it

[soft summit]

Anyone else a little annoyed that when rogues have bugs that increase our damage blizzard can hot fix within 24 hours but a bug that decreases our damage can remain unfixed for months??

[pliant topaz]

the wall made out of money

[keen dome]

lmao

Yeah - this bug was already fixed once. It's something else, something new.

[haughty mural]

yes he is indeed

[sly shore]

get me in

[strange chasm]

Any sub bug fixes besides the coup one?

[daring raptor]

what is the macro for symbols of death so you don't use to many charges when spamming by a mistake ?

[tepid trellis]

you can just make a cast sequence

and make it reset after 2-3 sec

[wind canopy]

Yeah, just add null after SoD

[daring raptor]

#showtooltip symbols of death
/castsequence reset=5 symbols of death

what did i do wrong then

cuz it aint working

[wind canopy]

/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,Pick Pocket
/cqs```

[steel horizon]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs

[half galleon]

love to see the pick pocket

[daring raptor]

Thanks

[haughty mural]

should we get a command for that ? this question was asked a few times today

iirc

[wind canopy]

Well, should be null instead of pickpocket, but whatever lol

[half galleon]

you make more money with pickpocket

[steel horizon]

stonks

[gilded ferry]

well, ill have to practice a lot sub

its harder to play

[real panther]

huh , "so tricky" not working?

[steel horizon]

if you or tank dies you have to reapply it

[gritty knot]

@vale pine in the m+ spec u linked how much of a dps loss is changing tornado for smth else?

[lilac stag]

@pliant topaz 9 mists. 631 arcane. TFD no Nado

also no shaman 😦

[pliant topaz]

youre blastin dude!! gjgj

sub stonks

[lilac stag]

I at least didnt want to put a pistol to my head with assa

[vale pine]

not much

tornado isn't that big

[lilac stag]

so maybe most enjoable mists ever

[gritty knot]

okay thx

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, Sub's so back

[umbral apex]

I’m really loving trickster. It nimble honestly makes it feel like OL a little bit xD

[pliant topaz]

okay we shrimply make nimble work with blades

and we are back

[vale pine]

i wish nimble did magic damage

[frosty bridge]

shadow

[vale pine]

yes

[umbral apex]

Agreed

[vale pine]

would solve the find weakness problems

[frosty bridge]

would make aoe waaay better

since it can be upped with db as well

[lilac stag]

at least in mists, not bad. 17 triggers

[umbral apex]

I like the first dance

[left ledge]

Did they fix nimble yet

Or blades

Or sectec

Or RS

[umbral apex]

I had to download an SD tracker because I was so used to the shorter length one but it’s really nice for prio burst

[uneven scarab]

[left ledge]

Or shadowed finishers

Or deathstalker

[vale pine]

thats quite decent

[uneven scarab]

Negative bossman

[vale pine]

how long was the key

[left ledge]

Idk did they fix anything

[uneven scarab]

We got bigger and more purple shuriken storm

[lilac stag]

22:19

[umbral apex]

I imagine mists is a great key to run it is because of the maze

[left ledge]

Wow good thing I use this button a lot

[pliant topaz]

they fixed supercharger

with shadowed finishers

[left ledge]

Wow

That’s surprising

[lilac stag]

i would have had 18 but tank chained pulled one damn mob into last boss

[left ledge]

They actually fixed a bug

[vale pine]

lol

[left ledge]

We’re so in

[uneven scarab]

We are barack

[pliant topaz]

lowkey the only thing i want fixed anymore is blades + nimble

[uneven scarab]

Bigtime

[pliant topaz]

i dont want DS bugs fixed

i hte DS

i dont wanna paly it

ever

[uneven scarab]

Ds can stay in the trash

[pliant topaz]

anywhere

[uneven scarab]

Fr

[lilac stag]

i wont, parry debuff for raid too important

[gritty knot]

Why do we vanish in ST rotation after first evisc? To have full combopts with next shadowstrike? or is there another reason

[uneven scarab]

You answered it

Premed

full cp

[lilac stag]

I want the pocket knife removed from above my head

[gritty knot]

okay nice i swear i could play sub rogue rotation blindly and the changes are not much but i am so used to the old rotation i need to get used to this first

[uneven scarab]

Saves you backstabbing 4 times to get rupture up

[pliant topaz]

LMFAO

[uneven scarab]

[vale pine]

i won't buy it.

[pliant topaz]

its just if you have any other use for the gold/have the gold

i have no use for the gold outside of this

so like

[keen dome]

Yeee

Although good luck buying it for gold right now anyway, haha

First time I've ever seen tokens actively sell out

[gilded ferry]

do you have the other one?

[vale pine]

no

[swift merlin]

Can I buy it for you

[spark tusk]

Tokens are out and I’m sad

[pliant topaz]

theyll be back and u can buy it then

shrimple

[spark tusk]

When armin

When

[pliant topaz]

soonge

[left ledge]

I don’t got the gold and I will not be participating until they fix sub rogue completely

[trim ridge]

+9 mists have to keep improving but it feels good!

[keen dome]

I concur: when!

[vale pine]

haha, i don't need it ^^

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, nice work 🙂

[wind canopy]

Bet it's gonna be still cheap in january? Since people will be gone from playing again?

[keen dome]

Probably, yeah.

[left ledge]

Are they marketing the mount as fomo

[pliant topaz]

yea

[spark tusk]

Well

[left ledge]

Ofc

[spark tusk]

It’s gone after January

So yeah

[left ledge]

Slimy shit company

[alpine wraith]

you mean genius

[left ledge]

Holy fuck they can’t make me hate them more

[alpine wraith]

im all for things like this if they hire more people to fix things

[keen dome]

It'll turn up in the TP in 2026

(I made that date up)

They should do it like FF14 does it: premium store goes into a pot which directly supports the developer team with additional stuff.

[vale pine]

yes

[keen dome]

Which is a very fun idea

[vale pine]

the mount is the biggets FOMO you had in all of wow

[jade urchin]

i cant believe im considering spending 80€ on a fucking mount

im not doing it, but the fact im considering

[alpine wraith]

thankfully im already capped on blizz balance

[jade urchin]

is crazy

[haughty mural]

replicating ?

[alpine wraith]

i mean wow is kinda low on the optional monetization at least

[lilac stag]

CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMzy0YGzMmxYMDzMzMMmtZxYstNzMmZmxAWmlBAAAgZwAYMbGGYgZRL0iNYA

[haughty mural]

yea thats exactly what i was about to try aswell

[keen dome]

Almost the same as I ran in my keys today. I had WM instead of TFD.

[fiery grove]

I was dooming pretty hard about the dust removal but sub feels really good after the changes for me

[keen dome]

Right?? It's rad

[fiery grove]

maybe ill get into M+ keys now

[leaden prairie]

sub kinda looks fine in m+ or

[lilac stag]

ye

[leaden prairie]

I was doing the start of mist as sub and i legit do same damage as when im outlaw no cap

and im a first timer

[lilac stag]

assa still overtuned

[leaden prairie]

yeye

of course

[pliant topaz]

subs great

[lilac stag]

didn’t feel like I was inting running sub

[pliant topaz]

you wont be topping overalls vs good specs

[leaden prairie]

wtf solo is back

[pliant topaz]

but its really good specially in dungeons without a lot of large packs

[leaden prairie]

no wae

[pliant topaz]

its not solo

its a red solo

[jade urchin]

red solo

[leaden prairie]

[jade urchin]

henlo

[leaden prairie]

henlo

[lilac stag]

faux solo

[pliant topaz]

henlo

[leaden prairie]

tbf thats similar to outlaw

[haughty mural]

outlaw 🤝 sub

[leaden prairie]

but its hard to find people that are good at doing damage in higher keys

so just be better

[keen dome]

Really nice boss burst though. First boss on Mists with the amp is hilarious

[leaden prairie]

and you can top dps

[leaden prairie]

ye

im doing start of mist as sub and end of nw as sub aswell now

cause i cant as outlaw anymore

[pliant topaz]

the only dungeon i cant really top even on 13-14s is arakara and SV

[leaden prairie]

we depleting on these bosses in 15/16s

[pliant topaz]

everything else im blasting

[keen dome]

Hell yeah. We're so back

[pliant topaz]

we also got a bugfix today so should be a bit better now

[jade urchin]

what bugfix

i missed that completely

[rancid surge]

Am I sending a lone symbol in trickster?

[lilac stag]

Ye

[rancid surge]

okie

[lilac stag]

Is the list of fixes posted someplace?

[keen dome]

Oh, we did? Which bugfix was that?

[pliant topaz]

its just 1

supercharger works with shadowed finishers (atleast on dummies ) ill check again later in instanced content

[left ledge]

Actual disgusting behaviour

[pliant topaz]

and flensing gone

lets fucking go

[vale pine]

problem is, how can they top it

130$ mount

what can they add to it

[real panther]

no ok, i didnt understand the talent. the aura is STILL 30 sec, but it goes for 1h after the first hit (kinda strange design imo..)

[vale pine]

a rotating platform with 5 options:

• transmog
• mail
• AH
• Repair
• infinite feast?

[strange chasm]

Is the supercharger fix decent?

[left ledge]

150 dollar flying mount with 4 extra seats, ah, mail, repair, transmog

[keen dome]

they should do what ff14 did and add a literal whale mount

it's a whale

[vale pine]

oh thats smart

lets do 4 seats first

then add a 5 seat mount next year

so you can go

[keen dome]

lmao

[vale pine]

120$ 4 seater
150$ 5 seater

[keen dome]

I assume the 5 seater would be solid gold.

[vale pine]

oh i know whats the 5th seat

crafting orders

[keen dome]

Genius

AH, Repair, Transmog, Barbershop, mailbox, 5 seats, crafting bench.

[pliant topaz]

oh fuck yeah barbersho

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-heres-my-card-here’s-my-card-card-take-my-card-gif-5650338825958178904

[keen dome]

What else..

Oh! Can't forget the Catalyst. Shove one of those on it.

[trim ridge]

i just saw the mount

[vale pine]

year after add warbank access too

as 6 seater

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, smart.

[vale pine]

blizz hire me

[light imp]

Chalk me up for a other 'death by coup'. Last boss of grim batol. Tank is bringing boss towards center of shadow gale and coup dashes me straight into a tentacle 🤣🤣🤣

[sacred yarrow]

250€ - transport raid group, like the brain mount

[pliant topaz]

OH MY GOD

SUMMON MOUNT

WE ARE SO BACK

can solo summon

[keen dome]

Oh my god that's so obvious and genius

it's right there

Absolutely would sell out in a heartbeat

[pliant topaz]

yes 100%

and we can finally sit warlocks

thank god

[keen dome]

Oh, you could add an NPC who can lockpick as the 7th seat

[left ledge]

And then they make a separate mount 150 dollars each same thing but for each profession

Holy poggers

[fierce cliff]

is sub bugged rn? my evis dmg is hitting for 120k-150k at 6+ combo points

[vale pine]

summstone 7 seater

[left ledge]

200

[vale pine]

we just created the retirement plan for wow

[vale pine]

always 20$ more expensive mount

money printer confirmed

[vale pine]

nice?

[keen dome]

What about the 8th seat.. What else could we add. Oh.

[fierce cliff]

is it bugged is what im asking

[tepid steppe]

hey man just wanted to tell you that your weakaura is amazing, keep up the great work!

[keen dome]

The wacraft store.

[steel horizon]

Ohh loll yeah you still need a hit to apply it

[leaden prairie]

wont be able to keep up the great work im getting banned gg

[sick jackal]

do we double symbols at start when bursting?

[leaden prairie]

appreciate it tho

[keen dome]

Man, poor Arms warrior.

[vale pine]

100% not bug abuse

[keen dome]

What happened to the big crit boys 😦

[vale pine]

sub players also abused

[sick jackal]

hows sub still below bm

[vale pine]

sooo

[pliant topaz]

inshallah

ive been praying for it for 2 days now

[vale pine]

the new er (supercharger) slaps, sub is fine now in m+

[tepid trellis]

left right dodge web blades left right dodge puddles left right BOING left right break root left right

[steel horizon]

Rest in piss ER you wont be missed

[pliant topaz]

which ones worse? Tindral Sageswift yells: Astral break.

[tepid trellis]

i could mute that

[alpine wraith]

ASTRAL BREEAK

[pliant topaz]

u couldnt mute the wipes

[keen dome]

I read it in his voice

[hard wren]

rogue specs slapping so hard

[alpine wraith]

I got roooted

[tepid trellis]

some quite hefty crits

[pliant topaz]

this is why trickster is love

[tepid trellis]

this one is better

[pliant topaz]

this is why trickster is life

[tepid trellis]

4.6mil clone hit

YEP

[pliant topaz]

i wanna hit hard. i want sectech to give me butterflies

[keen dome]

SecTec best button

[trim ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[trim ridge]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[alpine wraith]

i got close to stealthi

[tepid trellis]

i wanna see how big i can get on a dmg amp boss

[gritty knot]

idk if thats good, still the ret fkn smashed me

[viral phoenix]

how does the spec play rn? you pair a symbols/dance with each sec tech and send 2 of both during cooldowns? Do you gotta afk 30 seconds without pressing symbols or shadow dance to line it up still?

[pliant topaz]

@leaden prairie can you message me when you get banned though? please? ty ty had to post here cuz yall are slowmode kekw

[umbral apex]

Ret will always win. Divine storm go brr in aoe

[flint sundial]

why are so many people playing sin on court? seems pretty competitive but are sub timers no longer good for it or is it just comfort?

[leaden prairie]

yeye iu will

[umbral apex]

At least you’ll always beat them in boss dam

[leaden prairie]

dw

xd

[pliant topaz]

ty ❤️

[leaden prairie]

np np

always happy to spread some joy

[pliant topaz]

youre a man of the people

❤️

[leaden prairie]

[sonic salmon]

You just gotta trust that ret dam is fake dam

[last ether]

Slow mode forcing migration to #subtlety

[umbral apex]

Used to be able to get flag/blades during dam amp but w/o dust you can’t anymore

[flint sundial]

arent flag/blades still on 90s though?

[edgy zenith]

yeah, he's just saying stuff lmao

[tepid trellis]

you cant fit as many cds into amps as before

tho

[edgy zenith]

in what way?

like sectechs?

[woven yoke]

RIP explioters

[viral phoenix]

!macrosz

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[tepid trellis]

no actual cds

cuz they arent perfectly spaced out at 1min30

[oak hearth]

get rid of PV

that is all

oh and thistle tea

[flint sundial]

sorry im still a little confused how this is different than before. were we pulling blades before to get it earlier for amp window?

[half galleon]

Stitchflesh as sub made me bust a nut

[edgy zenith]

he's making shit up too, don't be swayed from the light brother

praise []

[viral phoenix]

I'm trying to make an opener macro that casts shadow dance / shadow strike w/ symbols but it keeps using multiple charges of symbols (cause i have to press the macro twice for shadowstrike). Any suggestions on how to make it so it only symbols of death once no matter how hard I spam it?
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadowstrike
/castsequence reset=5 Symbols of Death, null

[tepid trellis]

yes you did old DF shit to line it up with dmg amps

[alpine wraith]

wont work

[viral phoenix]

im pea brained and dont understand the difference from this macro and the assassination one
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[tepid trellis]

you did that twice during the fight

[alpine wraith]

you cant macro strike and shadow dance

they broke it

[viral phoenix]

im basically treating that as a cast sequence macro

[flint sundial]

damn ok, ty for answer

[viral phoenix]

press once activates shadow dance press twice activates sshadow strike

[flint sundial]

rip dust

[viral phoenix]

im just trying to ape the assassination shiv macro to make it not spam symbols on multiple button presses but im too dumb to figure out why it isn't working

[tepid trellis]

you can just make a cast sequence

[narrow dirge]

Wait using shadow dance together with symbols in a macro is bad?

[violet torrent]

Isn't the reset on 5 seconds for the shiv macro

So you'd probably replace tea with sod and keep the null

[violet torrent]

Post what you have

[viral phoenix]

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadowstrike
/castsequence reset=5 Symbols of Death, null

[violet torrent]

Have you tried it without dance?

[viral phoenix]

no not yet, ill try it now

it works perfect if dance isnt there

just like the shiv mcro

[violet torrent]

👍

[viral phoenix]

that works well enough thank you

[steel spindle]

how do I use my cooldowns right in Mythic+

I struggle with the pulling mutiple packs back to back and chain pulling

[lilac stag]

be aggressive

Cdr is quite good with supercharged coup

[ionic tinsel]

!dust

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Cooldown Breakdown Spreadsheet - by Stealthi
Website visualizing top logs - lorrgs.io

[vale pine]

can macro

still need symbols on a 2nd bind

[soft summit]

Anyway to stop multiple charges of symbols going out if you click your shadow dance macro more than once?

[lilac stag]

Scroll up

Cast sequence

[haughty mural]

replicating still makes me wanna punch a wall sometimes ngl

[soft summit]

Awesome thanks!

[vale pine]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null 
/cqs```

replace

null

with pickpocket

if you like

only cool kids do

[soft summit]

What shiv macro?

[vale pine]

its the same just with shiv instead of symbols

[soft summit]

!rotation

[mental comet]

this is nice ty

[vale pine]

you essentially, align things to secret

[lilac stag]

Can you make !sod with that macro pls

[vale pine]

so after opener, just symbols+dance-...

[crystal spear]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Oxi

[viral phoenix]

#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

so then assassin players dont spam thistle tea after pressing shiv

[soft summit]

Awesome. I play both and have had that issue

Cheers

[vale pine]

moment

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[soft summit]

So we use sod with shadow dance always. Do we ever use secret tech without shadow dance?

[crystal spear]

do we not use shuriken storm in m+?

as trickster*

[vale pine]

you sod with secret blank sometimes

[vale pine]

yes, with 3 or more targets outside of dance

[soft summit]

When would that be? We have 2 charges of shadow dance and they share a similar cooldown as ST

[vale pine]

usually later in the cooldown cycle

so closer to the 2nd flag/blades

[soft summit]

Ah copy, thanks fuu!

[merry agate]

can i substitute "null" in macro with swirly ball or fireworks toy? 😛

[half galleon]

use pick pocket like a chad to make money

[vale pine]

sure

i like pick pocket the most

goes hard with the glyph

[merry agate]

oh snap....true

[lilac stag]

Swirly is on gcd

[merry agate]

[strange chasm]

Sub null with feint lmao

[tawdry kiln]

!kriss

[pulsar mauve]

I've got a few occurences on raid where I have to pull for SoD charges but i'm at 2 SD charges. Should we be sending naked SD sometime ?

(i didn't SoD outside of pandemic)

[steel horizon]

Its the other way around. You should be waiting for dance, not sod

So you're gonna have 1 sod + sectec cast without dance

In each 1:30 cycle

That pretty much ensures that you have 2x dance and 2x sod for every 1:30 burst

[pulsar mauve]

yes that's my point, by doing that, I'm sometimes at 2 SD charges and need to pull for SoD before SB

[steel horizon]

You shouldn't be pooling for sod though. As long as you're doing 1 sod per sectec, you shouldn't be waiting for sod

[hazy breach]

Try to do everything around sectech cd

Not dance cd

[steel horizon]

At least that was my experience in raid yesterday. I always had 2 sod up for flag

[lilac stag]

you should have 2 sod and 2 dance up or coming up with cdr

for the 90 secs

[pulsar mauve]

I think i should be more greedy on the SD usage maybe

[candid field]

is it correct that you open use 2 sod and 2 dance and get 2 st off and then you hold until the cd for st comes up?

[pulsar mauve]

after the 1st SB, I tried to do only 1 dance, i probably should try 2

[steel horizon]

yes. its 2 sod + dance on the opener. after that you only sod when sectec is up

[pulsar mauve]

yes but it's the after that part which is heavily dependent on the boss

on ovinax with a lot of cdr I think you can do SD SoD all the time almost

[steel horizon]

on ovinax i just play sin lol

but yeah i imagine you can squeeze an extra dance in on ovinax

[ionic tinsel]

Very late to the party this patch… is shuriken storm still our primary generator in AOE/m+, or does SS/backstab take over due to nimble flurry?

[bitter gate]

has SUB bis trinkets changed? Bloodmallet showing lots of random crap now. Any actually viable?

[candid field]

shuriken storm out side dance on 3+ targets. SS in dance

[honest saddle]

Have we looked at edge cases like this where it might be worth to evisc while symbols is up and let rupture drop and then reapply outside of the symbols window

[ionic tinsel]

So then backstab outside dance is purely to maintain fazed?

[honest saddle]

during low target aoe, yes.

but it's not really about fazed

it's about flawless form

but they are pretty similar

[ionic tinsel]

Yes indeed, I’m having trouble separating them rotationally / mentally

[honest saddle]

you need the buff flawless form, which comes from fazing but the main difference is fazing is the debuff on the target for 10 seconds, and flawless is your buff for 12 seconds

in practice, you can pretty much think of them as the same. I know I do.

[steel horizon]

Flawless form comes from striking with unseen blade but yeah

[ionic tinsel]

Cool that helps a ton ty!
I took a break for a while and came back to wtf is happening now???

[steel horizon]

It also comes from using coup on a fazed target

[honest saddle]

easiest way to do it is just track flawless form with a wa

and if its up, you are cleaving

[ionic tinsel]

So it seems like if you’re rotating through your skills optimally or close to it, FF and fazed should take care of themselves?

[honest saddle]

occationally flawless drops during aoe

and you have to send a backstab

but its up a LOT

it happens in M+ quite a bit

not so much in raid

[steel horizon]

Well in keys atleast u can send tornado outside of dance and then keep eviscerating if you have flawless up

[honest saddle]

it's the difference between tank dam

and doing 10% more than tank dam

either way

it's shit

and if it's a warrior tank

just off heal with bandages

[pliant topaz]

imma be honest these are < 0.1% so not really

[honest saddle]

I don't think the sim should take it into account

I just want to know what's more dam for me personally

I have been evisc

just cause it felt right

[pliant topaz]

it doesnt really matter is my point

like an evis outisde of dance does like 200k damage. 16% more damage because of sod is like 30k damage

happens 3 times thats 100k damage

if youre doing 800M damage in a fight

100k wont make a difference

[viscid ocean]

is there any item in the new raid that we wanna get?

[alpine wraith]

yea transmitter is kinda good

[viscid ocean]

talking about blackrook

[alpine wraith]

nah it is trash

[viscid ocean]

even the ring with arcane procc ?

[alpine wraith]

or well they are competitive with other hero track items

[viscid ocean]

or dagger with fire procc for offhand

[topaz raptor]

sounds like a 1% dps increase

[alpine wraith]

that ring procs when you take dmg

no tank rogue in sight

[viscid ocean]

hmm what about the trinekt from endboss?

[half galleon]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[honest saddle]

thank fucking god

I literally was about to go on a tirade

about symbols

and how stupid it is that it can overwrite itself

miserable

[alpine wraith]

did anyone bother to check if DN is still bugged with mark?

[pliant topaz]

it is

[tepid trellis]

hit a lil 3.6mil burst on pull

INSTA procced

coup

[tepid trellis]

there is light at the end of the tunnel

[alpine wraith]

going crazy

[tepid trellis]

got to 2nd add set in p3

[alpine wraith]

what bomb thingy do you have to do

a cursed one

or is it a fine onw

[tepid trellis]

2nd platform

its kinda bad

[pliant topaz]

boss is so fuckign dead on my screen. youre so close!

[tepid trellis]

with how i have to do cds atm

i need to hold for intermission shield

[alpine wraith]

ah shite

[tepid trellis]

so my cds comeback start of 2nd platform

and i can only get half of it off before i need to dip

and i need to send it there

otherwise it wont be up for first adds

in p3

so

[jaunty heath]

Are you guys just using the ST build in pins for Queen?

[tepid trellis]

im playing this shit on queen

[jaunty heath]

Interesting I see

[alpine wraith]

i quite like first dance on shorter bosses

[lucid jackal]

I played this with RS

[alpine wraith]

but for queen i cant see it being good yea

[lucid jackal]

Over the shadowy technique passive

[wispy bolt]

does luxthos wa not show supercharged?

[alpine wraith]

also yea rs is good

[tepid trellis]

you cant pay me enough

to deal with that bug

[alpine wraith]

ah true

[tepid trellis]

id scream

[alpine wraith]

imagine just after using coup

[lucid jackal]

It's just 1 inefficient global Its whatever

[alpine wraith]

if it was not buggy enough

but the mental angish guy

you dont recover

[tepid trellis]

it would tilt the absolute fuck out of me

[alpine wraith]

your SAN bar already goes down over the night

[lucid jackal]

can only be so tilted when the boss is dead and I did nuclear damage

[tepid trellis]

im holding cds for shield

i aint doing no nuclear dmg

[manic steppe]

Is this a known bug? I'm thinking of race changing before raid but don't want to lose my vantus on Kyveza.

[tepid trellis]

if you transfer faction

you loose it

[alpine wraith]

no one has cds at 2:30 or what is the shield at

[manic steppe]

Ah ok, I'm staying within Horde so I should be fine. TY

[lucid jackal]

Thats tuff

No FDKs?

[tepid trellis]

1

[lucid jackal]

we did too and we had fine shield damage

that's tuff

[tepid trellis]

we could make it without me using cds

but it wasent consistent

so i just said fuck it

and really no point in lusting it

when you are gonna move it away anyway

[lucid jackal]

I think lust on pull is just correct

if U want my opinion

[tepid trellis]

i think it depends on the comp tbh

[lucid jackal]

ehhhhhh

we had a spymaster comp and we already think its troll

[tepid trellis]

and how many spy masters you have

[clever delta]

dont do it

[tepid trellis]

i swapped to gnome mid week last reset

and was fine

[manic steppe]

Did you race change & faction swap?

[lucid jackal]

This was our comp

[clever delta]

ye

[lucid jackal]

WE had 3

wait idk did our evokers

[alpine wraith]

isnt dev super good on ansurek shield

[lucid jackal]

Yeah double dev

so we had 5 spymasters

[tepid trellis]

they are yes

[lucid jackal]

and we think it'd be better to use it on pull

[tepid trellis]

like BM, ret dev arcane

[lucid jackal]

The boss dies before the hard essence set with good enough damage

[tepid trellis]

are all very very good for shield

[lucid jackal]

On pull = all cds u get a good push, u can just blast the boss

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

A clean 930k dps

[tepid trellis]

without cds i do like 45mil to the shield

with cds about double

[lucid jackal]

I was doing like 39mish

[grizzled jungle]

when are you using 2nd dance during cds?

if i use it insta i dont have a global left after tec

are u waiting 2 s or?

[alpine wraith]

you double dance on cds

[grizzled jungle]

yes

but when 2nd

[alpine wraith]

and yes one after the other

just as first ends you use the second one

[tepid trellis]

if you wanna 100% gurantee transmitter on both sectechs

[grizzled jungle]

but the dance is like over when tec is back

[tepid trellis]

do 1-2 globals

[grizzled jungle]

ye figured

[tepid trellis]

1 should be enough

[alpine wraith]

you need to do sec tech first global on dance yea

[grizzled jungle]

i am ye

[alpine wraith]

ideally you proc transmitter as you are using sec tech

[grizzled jungle]

doing it perfectly is so scuffed on queen as the liquify comes

imo

havent done many pulls yet

[tepid trellis]

just from a random pull

dm the 2x symbols

i fat fingered it

[pliant topaz]

You do more now that supercharger works with shadowed finishers kekw

Also just proc more coups skill issue

[tepid trellis]

i did peak almost 4mil on pull

once

got 2 coups

[pliant topaz]

Beautiful

[tepid trellis]

in first set of cds

[alpine wraith]

one time i also got super high

crit many evis

[tepid trellis]

i lil sectech crit

[grizzled jungle]

i havent played sub in so long i have to think so much xd

[pliant topaz]

Make sure to pre pull sod btw helps a lot more than u think

[tepid trellis]

im waay to lazy

[grizzled jungle]

3 mil without bl i do

[tepid trellis]

im half afk in between pulls

[grizzled jungle]

not 4 xd

[alpine wraith]

yea having the rupture last a lot is so good

[tepid trellis]

lookingat logs

[alpine wraith]

i use SoD as i res

[pliant topaz]

Rez press sod done

[alpine wraith]

we are on ky veza so deaths are fast

[tepid trellis]

that would require me to pay attention

[alpine wraith]

sometimes i dont have the 3 stacker

so i ask for a pull 20

[tepid trellis]

found a 4.8 crit

lmfao

[alpine wraith]

a work of art

[coarse nexus]

at what key level do you guys drop cheat death?

[hazy breach]

Whenever youre absolutely sure you'll die without elusiveness

[topaz raptor]

I got all 11s done a few weeks back with cheat without issue

So higher than that, or if you anticipate having issues with certain mechanics like blightbone, rotspew, and viqgoth

[grizzled jungle]

outside of cds are u using 1 dance sod sec and 1 sod sec and then hold for like 15-20 sec until cds?

or can u squeeze another dance sod sec

[rugged ginkgo]

supercharger evis is confirmed bugged correct?

[hazy breach]

Not sure what you mean

[rugged ginkgo]

after the outlaw hotfix it's not doing any additional damage