just in fatebound instead of deathstalker
#subtlety
alpine wraith
vale lagoon
their flurry is randomly falling off, AR breaks stealth now, and supercharge isn't working for them or something?
tribal blade
oh hilarious
i don't participate in exploits in general
you never know when blizz will decide to shoot people
fair stump
does mat quality matter for enchanted crest?
tribal blade
does mat quality matter for enchanted crest?
nah can be all rank 1 stuff
but double check because sometimes r2 mats are cheaper than r1
solemn sundial
SOMEONE PLEASE HALP, i have a decent understanding of outlaw from playing it ion the past i understand abilities, something is glitched??? maybe im doing 1 mil overall on 5 dummies and only blade flurry damafe seems to be done. my floating combat text is spamming "missed" on pretty much every ability, whats going on?
short radish
SOMEONE PLEASE HALP, i have a decent understanding of outlaw from playing it io...
wrong channel buddy
solemn sundial
OOPS
tribal blade
we could make this the outlaw channel
something something cdr
something rtb
oh no i died and lost my AR
short radish
cold plover
new to rogue and playing as Dracthyr wondering how they are ?
tame terrace
oh no i died and lost my AR
outlaw channel is more like: HOW BUG? TELL ME OPTIMIZED BUG ROTATION
tribal blade
new to rogue and playing as Dracthyr wondering how they are ?
the dps racials don't really make or break anything, it's mostly the utility that's what you want to focus on
tribal blade
outlaw channel is more like: HOW BUG? TELL ME OPTIMIZED BUG ROTATION
lol i hope they all get banned
tame terrace
its so funny how blatant it all is
umbral apex
lol i hope they all get banned
It was even worse for BM hunters in pvp. People were climbing up the ranks into gladiator territory because one of their hero talents in the dark ranger tree was one shotting people
And to avoid the reset some of them even stayed logged onto their hunter so the hotfix wouldnโt affect them
๐
tribal blade
It was even worse for BM hunters in pvp. People were climbing up the ranks into ...
jesus christ
blizz has to stop doing these big sweeping changes mid season
cold plover
the dps racials don't really make or break anything, it's mostly the utility tha...
Ohhh
tribal blade
Ohhh
like for instance being dwarf is super strong because stoneform is incredibly busted
as a defensive
vale lagoon
blizz has to stop doing these big sweeping changes mid season
didn't they already take a shotgun and have pvp players tell them about the rabbits way back in legion tho
they treat that mode like fishing or archeology lmao
cold plover
too confusing for me
vale lagoon
too confusing for me
ngl
just play ur dragon
and u'll be more than fine
just try to learn what u can use ur knockback to interrupt as u go
cold plover
Ahh cause worried about leveling to 80 and dying alot
vale lagoon
lemme be real with u
unless ur some korean/chinese esport supergenius
ur not gonna need to worry about racials ur first tier with a class/spec
cloud rover
Nono its fine, that was intented trust
wild vine
lol i hope they all get banned
That would be really glorious ngl
steel zinc
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6nbydfR7XChG8BJg#fight=51&type=damage-done&source=21
The outlaw bug also works on sub
cold plover
lemme be real with u
Wsit your bonecherry on wow forums ?
molten citrus
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6nbydfR7XChG8BJg#fight=51&type=damage-done&...
We know 
steel zinc
We know <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
Also old bug works again we had at the start of the tier that does similar stuff
vale lagoon
Yeah i was deciding between frost mage or rogue lol
i cant decide for u, but lemme tell u 2 things:
-
I have like 5 different rogues becuz every new expac i just ding a new rogue to avoid having to manage my inventory. No other class I play.
-
Mages generally get significantly more care from the devs than us.
fallow nimbus
Yes
cold plover
i cant decide for u, but lemme tell u 2 things:
1. I have like 5 different rogu...
cheer
vale lagoon
when black powder in aoe in M+?
petition to rework flurry: give it more dmg, but it deletes BP from spellbook
or higher target cap i guess lol
stone patrol
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
nimble burrow
sick jackal
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6nbydfR7XChG8BJg#fight=51&type=damage-done&...
How do you do that bug asking for a friend
steel zinc
How do you do that bug asking for a friend
Spec deathstalker
steel zinc
blizz has been known to punish
Good one. But yes don't exploit
cold plover
Remove the post
steel zinc
Remove the post
It's pinned in outlaw
Also been there since beta and fixed first week of hc
sick jackal
please dont exploit
I just wonder how the dances will feel on dummies
alpine wraith
it is quite op
sick jackal
If i relog its fixed right?
steel zinc
If i relog its fixed right?
Idk I didn't try it after beta
And tbh I wouldn't either
If you value your account. I hope all of them who used it for m+ or mythic progression get banned
pliant topaz
same
steel zinc
Like this is a serious exploit where you can one-shot mythic endboss with 12 outlaw rogues
molten citrus
If i relog its fixed right?
yes relogging fixes it
steel zinc
And I would be not surprised to see that if not fixed within the next few hours by some Chinese guilds playing 10 outlaw dps
delicate steeple
rogue going from irrelevent to cranker in like 48 hours probably has a lot to do with it
steel zinc
rogue going from irrelevent to cranker in like 48 hours probably has a lot to do...
Well hunters who bug abused in pvp one shooting every got no ban sadly
sick jackal
yes relogging fixes it
Thanks
steel zinc
But they were doing nothing special
delicate steeple
they wont ban for this
tribal blade
they wont ban for this
you don't know when blizz will decide to crack down
and make an example
molten citrus
Well hunters who bug abused in pvp one shooting every got no ban sadly
that bug wasn't as apparently intentional
delicate steeple
people literally bugged a boss on stream how hypocritical would it be for them to choose the few rogues to ban
steel zinc
that bug wasn't as apparently intentional
Yes and that's the difference
molten citrus
it just kinda happened with your talents
tribal blade
if there's an exploit where there's no way to explain it as an accident
that's really bad
molten citrus
the rogue bug is very intentionally done
delicate steeple
also firedup did that on stream too
and this bug existed before as far as im aware so thats on them
molten citrus
if done in rated pvp there's a very high chance you'd get banned and not be allowed seasonal rewards/title
spice blade
bug fixed?
tribal blade
well them not banning because of some exploits
steel zinc
if done in rated pvp there's a very high chance you'd get banned and not be allo...
I hope for pve too.
steel zinc
There are legit dogshit guilds killing bosses they have no business killing
tribal blade
every single person who abused an exploit that season got title revoked
so they will decide to crack down, you just don't know when they'll do it
pliant topaz
like S4 SL
did they ban anyone in s4 sl for exploiting in pve?
tribal blade
did they ban anyone in s4 sl for exploiting in pve?
yeah, there was a quest you could bring into dungeons
from a classic zone, forget which one
delicate steeple
1 outlaw rogue is not gonna make or break a boss for most guilds
tribal blade
and when you shared it you gained this motw effect
so basically you brought a buff that made a substantial difference into M+ that didn't belong there
delicate steeple
honestly quite irrelevant esp when theres probably 50 other bugs that reduce the rest of the raids dps it probably evens out
tribal blade
and anyone who did it got title revoked
steel zinc
1 outlaw rogue is not gonna make or break a boss for most guilds
It does
tribal blade
hillsbrad, that's the zone it was from
delicate steeple
it most certainly doesnt
haughty mural
honestly quite irrelevant esp when theres probably 50 other bugs that reduce the...
stop defending this abuse
lmao
pliant topaz
hopefully they remove all these logs and give a short ban or something to abusers
its kinda disgusting ngl
lucid jackal
Anybody defending ban abusers deserves to also be banned
tribal blade
if anything it's just cheating
lucid jackal
If you bug abuse prog kills you are a pussy, and a bitch
tribal blade
you're not playing on the same level and getting ahead from not playing a fair game
delicate steeple
i agree but they havent done anything for the other cases
tribal blade
and i'm very against cheating
pliant topaz
If you bug abuse prog kills you are a pussy, and a bitch
I know of atleast like 4 people who are being forced to bug abusing by their guild
vale pine
Spec deathstalker
yes, its a old bug
delicate steeple
so what can you do bug often
lucid jackal
I know of atleast like 4 people who are being forced to bug abusing by their gui...
stand on business and gquit
pliant topaz
blizzard needs to make a comment to stop this all
vale pine
hopefully they remove all these logs and give a short ban or something to abuser...
did you reach out to wcl about it
possibly that they can unlist logs
delicate steeple
i have to play fdk anyways so im in prison
tribal blade
i agree but they havent done anything for the other cases
they banned echo players for abusing the rep gain at the start of this expac
pliant topaz
not yet, stealthi said theyll eventually remove the logs, but i can reach out to them too
vale pine
there is a diffrence
delicate steeple
they banned echo players for abusing the rep gain at the start of this expac
i found that so funny cause there has been way worse shit that they just ignored
vale pine
integrity is important during the wfr
steel zinc
I know of atleast like 4 people who are being forced to bug abusing by their gui...
Leave guild
delicate steeple
they need to make a hard stand on it or not
vale pine
somone during farm abusing bugs is less relevant
tribal blade
i found that so funny cause there has been way worse shit that they just ignored
that's exactly the point, we have no idea when they're gonna decide it's crossing their line
vale pine
e.g. there are a lot of precedence cases of people abusing bugs to get kills faster and higher world ranks
with no punishment
worse case they got called out on twitter or reddit
tribal blade
i wish they would be more consistent with it
keen dome
Same
tribal blade
but it's a lot of work for them to go through all the logs and stuff to check every single case i assume
keen dome
More communication, more consistency with punishment and stuff. Instead of arbitary or confusing stuff.
Communication would go a long way right now. "Hey, we are aware. Maybe don't be dumb"
delicate steeple
ya communication needs to happen
tribal blade
everyone knows you shouldn't exploit stuff like that
delicate steeple
court is intermission beyond fucked
stiff stirrup
anyone also in shaman disc know how big are those ele hotfixes nerfs?
steel zinc
If your guild forces you to exploit then you should leave thar guild immediately.
stiff stirrup
yeah
keen dome
It reminds me of the Korthia patch. And also DF S4 patch. Just very.. messy, untested, stuff thrown around. it's not good ๐ฆ
tribal blade
they're trying too hard to put out content quickly
it seems
well not content, updates
keen dome
Ye.. I wish they'd slow it down a bit. Just take the time needed.
delicate steeple
this is the worst ive seen it, like everything broke
steel zinc
they're trying too hard to put out content quickly
This. Idk I'd rather have polished content then this bs
keen dome
So far
tribal blade
so far true ๐
pliant topaz
well not content, updates
okay but like gimme plunderstorme with a new map and maybe new abilities every other patch and im getting one year sub
lucid jackal
Plunderstorm was so good
delicate steeple
they are gonna fix coup bug and reintroduce sectec log bug
tribal blade
okay but like gimme plunderstorme with a new map and maybe new abilities every ...
i'm curious if they'll bring back plunderstorm, that thing was a huge hit
pliant topaz
i fucking miss plunderstorm so much
keen dome
same
delicate steeple
bug equilibrium
tribal blade
i never did plunderstorm once, but i know a lot of people who played it
keen dome
I actually had a tremndous amount of fun grinding it out in a week. I thought i'd hate it
lucid jackal
i'm curious if they'll bring back plunderstorm, that thing was a huge hit
I'd be shocked if they just can the entire framework of that game
keen dome
But it was great.
pliant topaz
i'm curious if they'll bring back plunderstorm, that thing was a huge hit
I think they said theyll bring it back
lucid jackal
New map hopefully
keen dome
yeah
lucid jackal
Or just some map updates
tribal blade
i actually did keys with one of the best plunderstorm players
lucid jackal
I'd be so down for either really
tribal blade
he was so good every time streamers saw him they'd be like "IT'S JOOOOHHHNNNN" in stream
vale pine
i'm curious if they'll bring back plunderstorm, that thing was a huge hit
i think we need more fun modes
lucid jackal
Give me like, 2-5 different maps that I can get when I queue it'd be so good
tribal blade
he has a clip of max freaking out seeing him
vale pine
there are sill some fun modes they can easy build
vale pine
yes
lucid jackal
there are sill some fun modes they can easy build
They've been for a bit now
vale pine
They've been for a bit now
wdym?
keen dome
Plunderstorm could legit just be an evergreen mode, yeah
steel zinc
there are sill some fun modes they can easy build
Good thing in fun modes bugs are w/e but now it affects true endgame progression
sick jackal
how do i report these people?
vale pine
plunderstorm was iirc one of the first they build
delicate steeple
how do i report these people?
look bfa s2 comp
lucid jackal
how do i report these people?
That's actually shameless
vale pine
remix was fine, i don't know how appealing it is as a re-turning game mode
tribal blade
i found clips of my buddy
lucid jackal
See like this shit is just shameless, they should explode
vale pine
but e.g. if you look at the warcraft 3 mapping community
pliant topaz
That's actually shameless
a guy i knew who was hardstuck 2800 is now 3150 in the span of 24 hours
vale pine
they had even some official maps with nice ideas
lucid jackal
a guy i knew who was hardstuck 2800 is now 3150 in the span of 24 hours
sickening
vale pine
and there are other game modes you can easy adopt
cold plover
Ohh maint tonight
keen dome
lmao
delicate steeple
lowkey dont even think bugged outlaw beats ele so idk why they are bothering bugging just reroll
keen dome
I mean, kinda fucking messes the season but oh well
vale pine
- vampire survivor
- Tower defenses
- Autochess
- Mario Kart or similar (they had a wc3 map like it)
lucid jackal
lowkey dont even think bugged outlaw beats ele so idk why they are bothering bug...
They do
pliant topaz
lowkey dont even think bugged outlaw beats ele so idk why they are bothering bug...
oh it does
keen dome
yeah, the CDR rolls non-stop
tribal blade
a guy i knew who was hardstuck 2800 is now 3150 in the span of 24 hours
that's actually insane
nah blizz is probably gonna step in
for this
because it's outrageous
pliant topaz
i mean lets say youre outlaw and youre dogin 2M st on a boss.
alpine wraith
do you catch my drift?
pliant topaz
then u get 3 of them and theyre doing 6M
a normal comp does like 3.8M with all 5 people combined
alpine wraith
you can literally spam finishers
pliant topaz
these guys do 7M with all 5
so boss instead of dying in 3:30 dies in 1:15
a 15 boss dies in 2 minutes
delicate steeple
ah fair i guess
pliant topaz
packs are dying
alpine wraith
and not dying
tribal blade
the cornerstone of M+
frosty bridge
pff 2m ele does 25m
pliant topaz
100% uptime on feint/ar/evasion/5buffs
lucid jackal
100% uptime on feint/ar/evasion/5buffs
6*
frosty bridge
balanced
pliant topaz
yeah 6
alpine wraith
yea you can keep using KIR
lucid jackal
U can jjust spam KIR lol
alpine wraith
infinite power
plush roost
6 and its easy to maintain with KiR and container rerolls
tribal blade
blizz likely does something
delicate steeple
pretty sure top log on court just macrod all that shit together
tribal blade
question is how far do they go
steel zinc
blizz likely does something
They have to
plush roost
Played it in a 10 to test and said nah fthat im not getting banned lmfao
keen dome
It shouldn't be hard to tell.
tribal blade
They have to
yeah this is one of those situations they really have to crack down
molten citrus
every 7 seconds
plush roost
INIFINITY CRACKSHOT xd
keen dome
It's going to break the seasonal 0.1% stuff if they don't crack down, which I guess they don'tr eally care about.
delicate steeple
id be surprised they do anything tbh
tribal blade
this is kind of like when people were bringing torghast buffs into keys
in terms of power level
delicate steeple
they are overwhelmed for sure
lucid jackal
youre litearlly spamming bte every gcd
The funny thing is if you just play the spec properly its way better
pliant topaz
vale pine
its interessting
ancient jungle
the fuck am I looking at
vale pine
that nobody exploits it on sub
pliant topaz
The funny thing is if you just play the spec properly its way better
this is wox, like im kinda dusgusted that theyre doing this.
pliant topaz
like if youre known in the community, high key pusher and u do this, i hope u get banned and get title revoked
tribal blade
this is wox, like im kinda dusgusted that theyre doing this.
damn i thought wox would know better
that's really dumb
sick jackal
that nobody exploits it on sub
outlaw get is aoe with flurry due to bug being obly on ds we cant aoe the evis
vale pine
sure
steel zinc
idk if i should make a pin
Pls do
vale pine
but for raid you coul still exploit
ancient jungle
He actually macroed that shit and put something on his key
tribal blade
well it's not nearly as powerful an exploit as on outlaw
since for sub we only get cdr from 2 spells
short radish
UNLIMITED DANCING
molten citrus
that nobody exploits it on sub
i'm not surprised. the outlaw community is kinda cooked.
sick jackal
UNLIMITED DANCING
it is still not unlimited
tribal blade
yeah but outlaw gets unlimited EVERYTHING
keen dome
I think Outlaw is also just more accessible with the bug for people re-rolling to do it or w/e.
plush roost
Oh interesting that it works on sub too
pliant topaz
rank 1-3 sikran exploited
keen dome
rank 1 kyveza right now exploited it
noooo
vale pine
nobody plays sub
i wonder
keen dome
How could the sub rogues do this
vale pine
if somone did exploit it
pliant topaz
same with sikra
vale pine
its the same guy
pliant topaz
i think 1-3 or 1-4 all did
steel zinc
its the same guy
Pin it please
It not the bug we had week one of the raid where we went through my normal log and perfectos log
delicate steeple
lowkey thought it would be stronger on sub that outlaw
pliant topaz
i'm not surprised. the outlaw community is kinda cooked.
i mean u can do this in pvp too no?
nimble burrow
does the DeathStalker have great rotation changes compare to 11.0๏ผ
haughty mural
that nobody exploits it on sub
oh they do
keen dome
I think having it pinned and going "Hey maybe don't do this" is a good idea.
sick jackal
i mean u can do this in pvp too no?
and pvp is gone aswell
pliant topaz
like how do u fight someone with 100% evasion and feint?
these people are healing for 30% of their max health every 7 seconds
how do u fight that in pvp
sick jackal
like how do u fight someone with 100% evasion and feint?
this was allways the case with outlaw
keen dome
yeah
molten citrus
i mean u can do this in pvp too no?
doing it in pvp is 99.9% chance of a ban and getting barred from seasonal rewards/titles
lucid jackal
how do u fight that in pvp
pliant topaz
https://tenor.com/view/you-don%27t-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that%27s-the-n...
I have been told btw, that if websites like wowhead/icyveins bring attention to it/ show how to replicate bring negative views on it, that theyre more likely to push iot higher on their priority list
but also i was told theyre probably aware, but have bigger fires to put out
idk
molten citrus
did the wowhead post have a disclaimer at all
lucid jackal
I mean thats why I've made the pin in the discord about the bug, and how to replicate it, I've made a tweet about it, and the wowhead article about it as well
delicate steeple
ya the patch launched so buggy they have a lot of work
lucid jackal
Bro fuck consumers, they are stupid as fuck. if anybody gets banned for doing this shit, they deserve to eat shit and take the ban
tribal blade
he said no shot he even tries it basically
that's the smart move
keen dome
did the wowhead post have a disclaimer at all
I want to say it did, let me check
lucid jackal
If you are pushing hard content in this game and doing shit like this, you deserve to be called a bitch
If u get banned, oh well, unlucky!
sick jackal
If you are pushing hard content in this game and doing shit like this, you deser...
++
keen dome
lmao, it doesn't
molten citrus
that's the smart move
yeh, at least from what i know, they are much more likely to ban for exploiting in pvp than pve. just depends on the type of bug.
keen dome
They really should add a disclaimer on their bug post going "Hey don't do this shit!!"
tribal blade
yeh, at least from what i know, they are much more likely to ban for exploiting ...
yeah exploits are taken super seriously in pvp, but this one might be egregious enough where they take big action against PVEers
lucid jackal
They really should add a disclaimer on their bug post going "Hey don't do this s...
Yeah and we need to put warning signs on the oven that it's hot too
sick jackal
tbh i just hit some dummies with the bug and ngl the dance charges feel much better like that
lucid jackal
If ppl aren't smart enough not to abuse bugs like this, that's on them
keen dome
Yeah and we need to put warning signs on the oven that it's hot too
You'd be surprised at what small additions like that do to peoples attitudes.
molten citrus
Bro fuck consumers, they are stupid as fuck. if anybody gets banned for doing th...
i completely agree, it just kinda covers wowhead's ass from any reprisal imo.
lucid jackal
i completely agree, it just kinda covers wowhead's ass from any reprisal imo.
wowhead will never get punished for something like this
keen dome
"You might get banned for abusing this" will deter a considerable amount of people.
vale pine
The coup de Grace bug is back with the patch.
What is the bug?
Coup de grace stays active infinitely, means you get the coup bonus on every evis cast.
How does it work?
The bug triggers if a enemy dies before your coup attack finishes, it can be easy re-produced on a enemy in open world by bringing it to low HP and using coup. The bonus does not go away when switching hero talents, the bug would solve itself if you stay Trickster.
What does this mean?
Top logs on Deathstalker might abuse this bug.
Should i use it?
No. The bug can happen naturally but you risk a ban by abusing it and it is as such not recommended to use.
What can i do?
If you see a log abusing the bug, you can click the small flag icon to report it.
still quartz
it a 100% ban tbh
pliant topaz
i completely agree, it just kinda covers wowhead's ass from any reprisal imo.
i dont think wowhead can ever be penalized for this. if anything, I think wowhead bringing more attention to it is a good thing, it has a larger reach, and can get blizzard to fucking grow a pair of balls and punish people
molten citrus
wowhead will never get punished for something like this
i don't mean getting punished, moreso community backlash and people using the excuse "but wowhead advertised how to do it why am i banned?!~!!~!!!??!?~!!~?"
delicate steeple
you should say cant happen naturally* cause lets be real
vale pine
alright
keen dome
i don't mean getting punished, moreso community backlash and people using the ex...
Yeah, precisely
vale pine
i added a "you can report it" too
vale pine
SWITCHING COVENANT <:OMEGALUL:588187012067229697>
oops, fixed
alpine wraith
i mean this is like making dangerous things
you cant defend yourself
but they told me how to !
pliant topaz
i don't mean getting punished, moreso community backlash and people using the ex...
wowhead can simply say, this is it, dont do it or u get banned. ez done. no responsibility
molten citrus
wowhead can simply say, this is it, dont do it or u get banned. ez done. no resp...
yeye i don't mean getting punished - read my reply to guy 
vale pine
Theorycrafting always handled things transparently
molten citrus
wowhead can simply say, this is it, dont do it or u get banned. ez done. no resp...
yeah that's all i'm sayin, should've put something like that on the post just cause
vale pine
it is the best way to handle things
its better than what some other classes do
where they hide exploits for personal benefits
keen dome
Ye
delicate steeple
facts rogue discord goated
vale pine
if it does not get fixed, knowing it exists at least allows people to know how to avoid it
keen dome
I want to fail because I am bad at the game, not because someone else is cheating.
ashen dock
Supercharged bug been fixed yet guys? (I assume it's a bug as i did a whole HC raid last night and only the 1st/2nd CP was being highlighted)
molten citrus
Supercharged bug been fixed yet guys? (I assume it's a bug as i did a whole HC r...
that's working as intended
ashen dock
oh
hard wolf
so don't see a reason why we would hide a bug or exploit
i was a bit hesitent on sharing it bc i knew it would cause the discord to be spammed every 30 sec with "how i abuse bug???!!"
hard wolf
but zac shared it on stream
molten citrus
you don't aim to finish on the highlighted combo points anymore
vale pine
i was a bit hesitent on sharing it bc i knew it would cause the discord to be sp...
i knew that many hotfixes/etc didn't get shipped
blizz rly has a problem with their versioning
keen dome
I assume they didn't have the hotfixes in their patch arm or w/e. So when they merged it to live, they undid all the hotifxes they'd done?
Since a load of Mage, Rogue, etc hotfixes they made were just blown away
lucid jackal
All I know is that rogue actually feels perfect gameplay wise rn 
Ignoring the outlaw bugs, the changes it got feel p good
delicate steeple
how do we play with the extra sod charge for sub now
haughty mural
im glad you are happy guy
uncut socket
i just want my cd pulling back :/
tribal blade
All I know is that rogue actually feels perfect gameplay wise rn <:okayge:945770...
can you basically press bte on cd now?
pure musk
i will abuse bugs cause im a greedy evil fucker
keen dome
Yeah, Sub feels really good. I'm legit impressed by how well it ended up
tribal blade
the changes for sub also make incredible use out of the 4pc
i'm sure that's where a bunch of power came from too
delicate steeple
sin cranking tbh
tribal blade
the main issues i have left are cdr problems and energy cost problems
delicate steeple
feels powerful
tribal blade
but other than that it does feel better
lucid jackal
I think the CDR feels alright, we just have too much SOD now, which I think is fine
I like that SOD, and SHD feel like different buttons rn
delicate steeple
and hitting fat envenoms are so satisfying
pure musk
sin cranking tbh
sin too much button mashin i have sc2 zerg wrists bro
sick jackal
a little aura buff next week then we good to go
lucid jackal
Uhhhh
tribal blade
SoD on a charge system does feel a lot better
keen dome
A little aura buff and then bug fixes >:D
lucid jackal
I think rogue is in a spot where its like, really good
keen dome
Sub number 1 time
lucid jackal
Idk if it needs more aura buffs
keen dome
More! MORE!
lucid jackal
We will see in the coming weeks but I like where rogue is at RN. felt week on launch, feels appropriately tuned now
haughty mural
just fix bugs
sick jackal
Idk if it needs *more* aura buffs
tbh looking at sin sub feels extremely weak unless the 10ilvl dagger diff is much more than i expected it
keen dome
My expectation is we'll get an aura buff of some kind to AoE or something. Then a load of bugfixes. And then for a glorious week we'll be absolutely absurd.
merry agate
Yeah just a tiny bit more cdr and it would be smooth as Butter ๐ค
tribal blade
they could implement that by reverting backstab/storm energy costs
merry agate
But its okay right now 
tribal blade
back to what it was originally
haughty mural
My expectation is we'll get an aura buff of some kind to AoE or something. Then ...
cost reduce of storm
lucid jackal
tbh looking at sin sub feels extremely weak unless the 10ilvl dagger diff is muc...
Sub still extremely good on queen
haughty mural
all im asking
keen dome
Ye, that'd be so nice.
haughty mural
and im so barrack
sick jackal
Sub still extremely good on queen
at least 3 months until i get to queen on prog
haughty mural
they could implement that by reverting backstab/storm energy costs
oh sorry didnt see you already mentioned it 
tribal blade
oh sorry didnt see you already mentioned it <:thanksfriend:585740413684416539>
no worries at all!
sub channel popping off more than usual right now
vale pine
idk what happened
ill illustrate:
keen dome
I love it
hard wolf
so their ptr branch was just outdated i guess xd
hard wolf
ye
vale pine
also why the BP buff wasn't in initially
but added later
also ... not great
ideally you keep both up to date
vale pine
yes
hard wolf
oh boy
sick jackal
basically ptr wasn't synced with 11.0.2
i mean the fix seems easy then
sick jackal
btw does any1 knฤฑow if we can get the new bloodfang set week 1?
vale pine
i mean the fix seems easy then
"this is easy, i could do it in 5 minutes"
... explains 90% of months long software engineering projects
hard wolf
didnt one of their QA members tweet "help" with open jobs linked below
oh she made it hidden
cloud rover
"this is easy, i could do it in 5 minutes"
... explains 90% of months long softw...
I regureraly watch a Streamer doing coding and modding stuff for his games to make interaction with Chat, and when He changes something He calls out "Quick 5 Minute coding adventure"
Take a guess how long These usually last 
vale pine
I regureraly watch a Streamer doing coding and modding stuff for his games to ma...
its called nerd sniping
if you get essentially sidetracked for a quick project that hasn't borthered you
but somone brought it up and now you want to test it
(or you read about it somewhere)
vale pine
I regureraly watch a Streamer doing coding and modding stuff for his games to ma...
fun trivia, moroes can be a twitch chat bot too
i use the twitch api for the stream stuff
and i tested a bit, i used a channel on my private discord and did just paste messages from a popular streamer
tribal blade
sorry to randomly interject, got another one /swish
vale pine
turns out you run into problems with how many messages you can send on discord, so i had to bundle them
cloud rover
sorry to randomly interject, got another one /swish
vale pine
sorry to randomly interject, got another one /swish
whats that?
tribal blade
whats that?
it's the most expensive part for making the eng mount
it vendors for 1 mil
vale pine
oh wow
tribal blade
or you buy it from a vendor for 1 mil
tribal blade
you can gamble basically
still quartz
you gamble
tribal blade
by destroying engineering parts
cloud rover
keen dome
sorry to randomly interject, got another one /swish
Hell yeah gamble gods
raw violet
Is this a reason for scraping when you have eng maxed?
Gotta scrap some parts then ๐
keen dome
Maybe I throw another dumb amount of gold to scrap some stuff....
vale pine
turns out you run into problems with how many messages you can send on discord, ...
but to get to the point its fairly easy to interact with chat, discord uses a common chat protocol.
So you can in theory apply stuff like a chat filter easy, can also do things like moderate via discord if you want
tribal blade
honestly it's just fun lol
vale pine
e.g. i did just send discord message -> twitch chat in the channel i mirrored
so doing stuff with twitch chat is actually easy
vale pine
by destroying engineering parts
oh interessting, i have a lot of them
tribal blade
oh interessting, i have a lot of them
it's only really worth it if you can do it in big quantities
keen dome
I Ye
tribal blade
the parts you get are quite rare
keen dome
I think I did 500 Mythril Casings or something which was about 100k and made about 150k
tribal blade
it's called pilfer through parts
keen dome
It is important to note that bolts cannot give anything but bolts
Do not ask how I figured this out or look at this pile of 1000 bolts I bought
tribal blade
and then the most efficient way to pilfer is mithril casings
there's another one, i can't remember what it's called, something else that's mithril
unstable triggers
raw violet
Question... how do I use the tornado? should I use it with shadow dance? or whenever?
tawdry kiln
!website
vale pine
but to safe you the journey to wowhead or similar
you use it during symbols on 4+ tagrtes
raw violet
I'm confused there. I just looked and it said to use it with symbols ๐ nothing about shadowdance xD
raw violet
Trickster ๐
vale pine
you use it during the shadow damage amp
raw violet
Thanks ๐ I did journey to wowhead, I'm just a bit thick headed xD
vale pine
still working towards the 40
tribal blade
still working towards the 40
oh yeah you got it unlocked already
tribal blade
nice nice
molten citrus
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs```
any ideas on why this doesn't seem to be working?not sure, scath mentioned it works in instanced content
i haven't tested
molten citrus
odd that it'd only work in instances no?
i just tried it at target dummies and it won't let me use another charge of Symbols at all
molten citrus
only lets me use a charge if i have all my charges off CD
vale pine
it should lock you out for 2 secs
vale pine
only lets me use a charge if i have all my charges off CD
thats weird
molten citrus
it locks me out entirely yeah
vale pine
okay, thats bad
molten citrus
yeah it's very strange
molten citrus
can i what? press all my charges?
vale pine
yes
molten citrus
yeah i can
i wanted to use the macro on Symbols and Tea but it's doing the same thing no matter what i try to use it on
molten citrus
ill try the macro later
it seems to be working in combat
it just locks the spell for the entire CD outside of combat
not a huge deal then but still very weird
old socket
no more aoe blind ๐
oak portal
guys, with the new rotation there's like 1-2 finishers before secret technique before second dance on the flagellation + Shadow blades rotation
am i doing something wrong?
fallow nimbus
What's/csq doing?
timid pulsar
I guess i wasnt the only one that did get hard flamed for not abusing the bug yesterday 
vale pine
guys, with the new rotation there's like 1-2 finishers before secret technique b...
2nd dance in cooldowns has secret delayed
thats normal
oak portal
oh so 2nd dance doesn't use the supercharged combo points?
fallow nimbus
The macro with pick pocket or any spell works fine
vale pine
nice, then back to pickpocket
oak portal
wait wrong wording not 2nd dance 2nd secret technique
vale pine
moment
molten citrus
the thing scath sent me was sqs
molten citrus
The macro with pick pocket or any spell works fine
it isn't working fine for me
was just testing it and outside of combat i'd be locked out of my spell for it's entire CD
next valley
Is it quite bad to macro Flag and SB together or am I fine to keep it?
molten citrus
whats the use use case of cqs?
for Symbols macro to not waste charges
vale pine
so the /cqs fixes it
fallow nimbus
Have you reset=3 in it?
molten citrus
Have you reset=3 in it?
reset=2 but yes
molten citrus
whats the use use case of cqs?
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs```Did you wait 2 secs between presses?
near rivet
you were in Dornogal maybe?
molten citrus
wouldn't cast again until my 2nd charge came back
alpine wraith
if you spam it does not work
near rivet
weird stuff happening in the city
alpine wraith
it only resets if you dont press
molten citrus
if you spam it does not work
ah you're right. tf
vale pine
and it would be fine too
fallow nimbus
Try in og/sw. Could be a tww world problem like nimble
rain smelt
So basically I want to play subtlety, but I have had no luck in getting transmitter or Skardyns since forever. As far as I can tell a proper on-use is basically mandatory for Sub, as to why I have played assa (to great succes = always among top DPS on all boss fights). Is sub comparable to assa damagewise in any way without a proper on-use trinket?
I get the "play what you want/fun" and all, and I will probably play sub soon anyhow. Just wondering how much it will "set me back"
alpine wraith
correct
vale pine
So basically I want to play subtlety, but I have had no luck in getting transmit...
transmitter is quite big ye
molten citrus
didn't realize spamming would chain the reset
fallow nimbus
it is not an org etc problem people
But i want him to visit the city 
Every press resets the counter
molten citrus
i've never bothered with castsequence macros mk :d
fallow nimbus
So 1 to 3 is best for smaller cds like sod
rain smelt
transmitter is quite big ye
I mean simming is telling me the same. Copium is strong
near rivet
i think its smarter to take the L and simply get used to pressing a button once
vale pine
it only resets if you dont press
probably smarter to set it to 1 then
because you rarely spam it more than 1 sec
molten citrus
i think its smarter to take the L and simply get used to pressing a button once
it's just an extra safety measure
fallow nimbus
Even if you spam it a bit with 2 secs you will always have it ready in a real scenario
molten citrus
people did say its tough
i've heard the scaling is fucked, like lower levels solo the raid similar to Remix raids
sacred yarrow
btw. did anyone do the event raid
hopefully today, its all over reddit how overtuned it is yea
near rivet
it's just an extra safety measure
just make an WA that plays some gay porn or music you hate when you doubleclick symbols
oak portal
you want to use secret first or 2nd finisher
sorry for bothering you fuu, do you delay symbols so you can use secret technique as first or second finisher in 2nd dance of big opener?
so you would not use symbols and dance together?
fallow nimbus
In my first raidfight yesterday i used 2 sods with my first cast because no macro
molten citrus
just make an WA that plays some gay porn or music you hate when you doubleclick ...
nah i mainly pvp so i double symbols on purpose sometimes
fallow nimbus
Then i macroed
half comet
Is deathstalker and trickster just 2 dances in opener, 1 dance sod, naked sod now
Then back into cds
steel zinc
```#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,Pick Poc...
For what is this?
molten citrus
For what is this?
charge waste protection
alpine wraith
to prevent monkeybrains spamming SoD
vale pine
sorry for bothering you fuu, do you delay symbols so you can use secret techniqu...
you usually refresh symbols late enough due to pandemic for it to do it automatically
fallow nimbus
In pvp i would sod spell sod so 1sec should work
vale pine
For what is this?
prevent accidental casts of symbols
steel zinc
prevent accidental casts of symbols
ok ty
vale pine
In pvp i would sod spell sod so 1sec should work
ye, i think i set it to 1 instead
molten citrus
In pvp i would sod spell sod so 1sec should work
yeah, symbols-evis-symbols or evis-evis-symbols etc
supercharger has been quite fun in pvp
vale pine
but you can think of it like this
oak portal
you usually refresh symbols late enough due to pandemic for it to do it automati...
so assuming 2 dance / 2 symbols for flag/blades
chain the dance
save symbols so secret technique gets supercharger?
vale pine
you align symbols to seceet
oak portal
or do i not chain the dance
vale pine
so you have secret first or 2nd finisher after using it
alpine wraith
does not work on st
molten citrus
but now with more symbols charges and blades+flag lining up
alpine wraith
so it only kinda buffs ruptures
molten citrus
wdym
alpine wraith
lingering darkness does not work on secret technique
molten citrus
sec tech?
most of our dmg is from evis atm
tech is alright with trickster
evis just goes ham with flag/blades/darkest night/supercharger/danse/etcetc
i've seen 5.6m evis max so far
tribal blade
if i was to use a strike+dance+symbols macro with the thing to prevent casting multiple SoDs from spamming, what would that look like
tribal blade
yeah i moved away from using that
but was wondering
kind of annoying because i really enjoyed having dance+strike macro
oak portal
so you have secret first or 2nd finisher after using it
i think i understand now after trying the rotation multiple times
thank you so much
vale pine
it gets more intuitive after using it
tawdry kiln
Do you guys have a bind just for shadow dance or is it macroed with SoD ?
lilac stag
No macros
vale pine
i am not sure how much time i get today but i might do some visuals to help new players
rain smelt
A bit knitpicking @vale pine, but in your pin you say the single-target sim is a tie, but the actual sim show a 2.5% difference in favor of DS. Which DM bug are you referring to? And is it a tie when the bug gets fixed?
vale pine
A bit knitpicking <@194804407706189824>, but in your pin you say the single-targ...
its a valid question not a nitpick
muted frigate
Is the current simc profile in bloodmallet broken for sub?
vale pine
you don't lose stacks of DM when you have the capstone
sacred yarrow
Do you guys have a bind just for shadow dance or is it macroed with SoD ?
separate
vale pine
this happens frequently
and lowers the frequency of mark refreshes
(frequency during dance)
it is a 2-3% dps loss
but not in simulationcraft
if you subtract the 2-3%
you get both trickster and deathstalker about on par
well unelss
we find more improvements for one or the other
brisk onyx
does any wa could track super charge
rain smelt
That makes sense, thanks. So until the bug gets fixed, DS is 2-3% ahead basically?
lilac stag
does any wa could track super charge
LEs
vale pine
That makes sense, thanks. So until the bug gets fixed, DS is 2-3% ahead basicall...
the bug is fixed in sims
brisk onyx
ty bro
alpine wraith
i found for trickster using sec tech on cd after cds on 1:30 then when CB comes up again to be quite good
brisk onyx
!wa
vale pine
but then got reverted for whatever reason
but the sim implementation still assumes the bug to be fixed
alpine wraith
havent gotten around to trying to apl it but might give it some shots this weekend
rain smelt
Wait. Why is the difference showing in the sim then?
vale pine
so it "oversims"
rain smelt
Ah
timid pulsar
I noticed that the sim in your spreadsheet takes Gloomblade over improved shadow techniques @vale pine
sacred yarrow
how do I remove my deathstalker icon in the nickname, cant find the reaction on "welcome
alpine wraith
we get so much cdr from coup too suing sec tech first always then coup to cdr it with charger if available is good
lilac stag
@vale pine the WA command is burrying LEs
alpine wraith
it is on pins
vale pine
I noticed that the sim in your spreadsheet takes Gloomblade over improved shadow...
yes, its a small increase over replicating on deathstalker
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> the WA command is burrying LEs
what?
lilac stag
!wa
timid pulsar
Ahh ok, wowhead guide took improved shadow technique so i just got curios
lilac stag
No icon blending into yours on mobile
alpine wraith
they are quite close anyway
lilac stag
vale pine
Ahh ok, wowhead guide took improved shadow technique so i just got curios
i ran the sims yesterday
vale pine
oh wow, thats rly small line wight you have there
sacred yarrow
yeas
alpine wraith
it is mobile it is what it is
vale pine
i ran the sims yesterday
but its a good point, let me update it
rain smelt
You got me a bit confused. So the sim linked is oversimmed by 2-3% based on the thing you just wrote, so in reality both hero talents as actually tied in game?
sacred yarrow
So you press both bind during the gcd of the last attack?
my binds for SD and Symbols are D and G, so its easy
vale pine
You got me a bit confused. So the sim linked is oversimmed by 2-3% based on the ...
basically:
- There is a in game bug that means we do 2-3% less than in the sim
so the sim is higher than it should be
half comet
Is both builds sending two dances on opener then dance sod then naked sod ?
vale pine
i mentioned them to be on par becuase the impact of the bug is within what the profiles sim
deathstalker sism 3% ahead
the bug is 3%
so its the same
vale pine
Weird they undid their bug fix lol
they fixed a bug with it on assassiantion
and seems like it had this side effect
also probably why they didn't want to revert it
because it would undo their work on the other spec
onyx skiff
since I can't use raidbots yet, is it fair to assume that I should gem to keep mastery and vers roughly the same? also, we ignore the socket bonus from the Meta gem as Sub right?
vale pine
deathstalker is shit gameplay.
you know whats funny
this
the trinket sims best in dungeon slice
but is one of the biggest baits
keen dome
It requires me to stand still which is impossible
vale pine
since I can't use raidbots yet, is it fair to assume that I should gem to keep m...
big gem: the crit one
other gems either vers/mastery or mastery/vers
vale pine
It requires me to stand still which is impossible
it works on casters
lilac stag
Big Gem: speed one
modest river
you playing trick or DS?
modest river
do you have dance for every symbols?
modest river
i have no clue then XD
onyx skiff
big gem: the crit one
other gems either vers/mastery or mastery/vers
I'm pretty low on Mastery so will probs stack Mast/Vers, but do you think it's worth throwing in a single Vers/Mast just to get a little bonus from the Meta?
what am i talking about I bet it's a difference of 300dps, who cares, sorry
vale pine
both vers/master and master/vers is fine
vale pine
can mix as much of both as you want
nimble burrow
does Dance required for Secret?
vale pine
does Dance required for Secret?
no
modest river
ooh
vale pine
you can symbols and secret
short radish
what do you replace shuriken tornado withi in m+ build and trickster
nimble burrow
yea thats i feel kind weird
vale pine
it is weird
modest river
i usually cast enough shuriken to always have dance and tec together
keen dome
How was the boss damage, out of interest?
nimble burrow
the boss dmg looks like this
keen dome
Neat, that's pretty good
I imagine we'll do reeeeally well on bosses, and then fall behind on AoE. Unless it's precisely 8 mobs I guess.
nimble burrow
oh so i only cast CB Secret in Dance?
rain smelt
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
modest river
is there a rule about using shuriken tornado based on the amt of flawless form stacks we have fuu?
short radish
kinda troll to take this on trickster right?
i really dont want to play with tornado
modest river
what about the same question for storm?
near rivet
no
modest river
ok
near rivet
you pretty much ignore how much stacks you have
its more important if you have it or not
modest river
fair
near rivet
but its true that using nado with 10 FF stscks will do more dmg than using one with one stack
the question is if its worth to both delay the nado cast and not be able to use other stuff during that
rain smelt
Is the opener the same in both DS and Trickster now?
near rivet
simple answer is to simply ignore amount of stacks
tacit lodge
Hello. Where can I see the Assassination Rogue deal cycle?
vale pine
ah... here is subtlety. .
yes, but feel free to play subtlety, its a nice spec
lilac stag
kinda troll to take this on trickster right?
Nah youโre fine taking it.
dry belfry
Hello guys, now in the open window do we have to do 3 danse with sectec under the flag buff?
lilac stag
Did you check a guide by chance?
vale pine
Hello guys, now in the open window do we have to do 3 danse with sectec under th...
just secret initially
dance - secret
short radish
Nah youโre fine taking it.
what does magic damage as trickster other than BP though
and poisons
dry belfry
the 3 dance we sectech first finisher
vale pine
like here
you always finish secret early
because you align cooldowns to secret
so you either
haughty mural
what does magic damage as trickster other than BP though
shadowed finisher
replicating
vale pine
symbols-dance-secret-strike-evi
short radish
i dunno i really just hate playing with shuriken nado
haughty mural
same
vale pine
pick
the first dance
instead
tornado sucks
(its good damage wise but gameplay is meh)
short radish
kk
vale pine
i have it thx and why now do we use dance + symbol ,,, before the blade?
premediation
you want to not waste the premed proc
so you blades later
lilac stag
what does magic damage as trickster other than BP though
Shadow finishers. Run TFD
thereโs a couple you can adjust
near rivet
premeditation should grant 5 sht stacks instead
lilac stag
Tornado can fuck off
near rivet
that would be nice QoL
lilac stag
Premed is fine
near rivet
its good, but it would be more casual friendly
lilac stag
too much assa play
vale pine
CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMzy0YGzMmxYMDzMzMMmtZxYstNzMmZmxAWmlBAAAgZwAYMbGGYgZRL0iNYA```
non tornado
near rivet
thats their target i guess
vale pine
trickster
haughty mural
too much assa play
lilac stag
its good, but it would be more casual friendly
You think casuals know what sht stacks are?
near rivet
if they are advanced enough to look at talent description and maybe buff bar
dry belfry
premediation
ok but we play premed all the time? I see on log some playing without
lilac stag
so advanced casuals. 
near rivet
i mean
vale pine
ok but we play premed all the time? I see on log some playing without
people playing without premed?
premed feels quite nice to play
not sure why you would skip it
near rivet
so advanced casuals. <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
it would benefit them without them knowing whats up
lilac stag
or you read a talent and understand what it does.
dry belfry
people playing without premed?
vale pine
what boss is it
lilac stag
dry belfry
what boss is it
and the first one in the top 10 there are 4 not playing it
vale pine
and the first one in the top 10 there are 4 not playing it
they try to maximize burst
by going pe
not the worse option
dry belfry
they try to maximize burst
ok I will try the premed spec and learn new opening so :p
nimble burrow
[link](<https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/trickster/DANEVVFRRRU...
so fuu not taking tornado is acceptable? i always forgot we have it
timid pulsar
pretty weird
You playing trickster or ds?
nimble burrow
Trickster
vale pine
so fuu not taking tornado is acceptable? i always forgot we have it<:PogO:116014...
yes
tornado is a "filler"
timid pulsar
I kinda like ds in keys
vale pine
it is good in aoe to chain finishers during symbols
timid pulsar
With nado ofc
nimble burrow
ty fuu, bc i always forgot we have it then idk when to cast it is good like when Dance+Symbol Burst it makes me struggle
gray zephyr
Hi I'm casual, what are sht stacks?
haughty mural
shadow techniques
gray zephyr
Oh, so I track it ๐ thanks
vale pine
^ can just use the refund trigger sound
and not think about it
the only reason to track it is to know when to expect a refund
gray zephyr
Yeah I started tracking cuz sometimes I wasted cp on another strike during shadow dance and it felt bad ๐
onyx skiff
do we know yet what are the timing cutoffs for not pressing CDs before big burst? like the TC thread estimated not sending SecTec if it's ~20 sec left on Flag CD - is there a rough number for Dance?
I'm playing the spec now by holding CDs for SecTec casts between big bursts, but I find myself getting greedy and cucking my big CD window
oak portal
Is there a big difference between Shadowstriking as first global in dance
nimble burrow
two 98
oak portal
compared to evis or secret technique as first global in dance
alpine wraith
not much
vale pine
Is there a big difference between Shadowstriking as first global in dance
you essentially
either
dance-strike-secret
or
dance-secret
but you can use dance/symbols before secret is off cd
allows you to dance-evi-strike-secret
too
i hope this makes sense
grizzled jungle
do you guys think sub is superior on mythic queen?
oak portal
so as long as a dance has secret as first or second finisher
grizzled jungle
and if so why?
oak portal
doesn't really matter if going into dance with a finisher or a builder?
vale pine
do you guys think sub is superior on mythic queen?
i think sub feels rly nice, i wouldn't say its the best but silken is def. still rly good for it
vale pine
doesn't really matter if going into dance with a finisher or a builder?
no
but you want to either use dance on low cp
or with a finisher