subtlety

[vestal escarp]

Chrck

[vale pine]

deathstalker is not bad

can play it too

[vestal escarp]

Check

[sacred yarrow]

i liked BP until I did Boralus and its 20+ minutes just 2 buttons again

[vale pine]

you never do that

both deathstalker and trickster need you to use evis every now and then

[sacred yarrow]

well, yes, but 💤 💤

[fair anchor]

We never ever send naked dance right ? Maybe press dance a few seconds before SoD if SoD is active and not in pandemic ?

[vale pine]

no

but we might send a naked symbols

[fair anchor]

Yeah for that im covered

[haughty mural]

the gap stayed the same unforch

[fair anchor]

I have single symbol bound, but thinking about dropping the naked dance bind, and just keep a dance+symbol bind if i will always press SoD if i press dance

[hoary orchid]

do you guys know if the recraft of main hand thingy, still gives free upgrade for the offhand?

[patent crystal]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[vale pine]

unsure, was a bug that probably got fixed

[umbral inlet]

any broken loot from Blackrock Depths worth farming?

[hoary orchid]

ty

[vale pine]

nope

[graceful crown]

ok i gotta say sub feels really smooth rn

i love this

im hitting the dummy on st and i dont feel like ripping my hairs out

it's great

[vale pine]

11.0.5 is a kiss/curse

the symbols charge add a nice layer for optimization for long term players

but i already got multiple dm's asking about it

[graceful crown]

i just need to get into the opener, i even removed slice and dice from my bars

[vale pine]

nicu

[hoary orchid]

it feels weird to me now

[graceful crown]

finally pick pocket has a place on my bars

hahahaha

[vale pine]

i have pickpocked bound with sap

[graceful crown]

actually i lied, pickpocket was already on my bars

[lilac stag]

You have a free bind. Just gotta get used to it. We’ve always suggested learning to not macro everything

[graceful crown]

lockpicking

[vale pine]

outside of combat - sap
in combat - pickpocket + Kidney

[graceful crown]

is on my bars now

[lilac stag]

Just put pickpocket on shadowstrike

[graceful crown]

im currently fighting demons not to macro flag and blades

also feint out of GCD is absolute peak

[vale pine]

you can possibly macro blades to secret

closest to ideal you can get

[graceful crown]

nah, i will contain myself from making a 1 button rotation lmfao

i remember when i macroed everything together

this is the first time i actually removed symbols from my blades macro, i still had trinkets from an expansion ago coded in it

lmfao

[vale pine]

i macroed transmitte to flag

[lilac stag]

apl wants sblades between CB & ST if I’m not mistaken.

[vale pine]

-1 bind

[wispy pebble]

why wouldnt you?

[graceful crown]

cuz if it's slightly off sync it will be awkward

[lilac stag]

You don’t play it like that

[vale pine]

we delay blades till after secret because of premediation

[hazy breach]

you definitely dont want to macro them

[vale pine]

you 100% don't want to macro flag + blades

[lilac stag]

Flag is 24 seconds. sblade is 16.

[graceful crown]

wait really? in my mind premediation is still random slice and dice

💀

[wispy pebble]

My muscle memory is completely screwing me over with snd use on pull haha

[vale pine]

premed = next combo builder fills your cps

refreshing 7 cp

[graceful crown]

ok i guess i will macro it

[vale pine]

just unbind snd

problem solved

[wispy pebble]

Yea just did

[graceful crown]

yeah put lockpicking where it used t obe

trust me

[lilac stag]

Put evic where and bind was. Hah

[graceful crown]

hahaha

[vale pine]

put detection

makes a nice swirly animation

[graceful crown]

TRUE

[wispy pebble]

no chance in hell haha

[vale pine]

(also causes a gcd, so maybe don't do that)

[wispy pebble]

maybe feint

[sacred yarrow]

are we tracking fazed and coup?

[lilac stag]

Accomplished the same result if you can’t break the muscle memory.

[vale pine]

you can, not needed. You want to have fazed up for coup tho

[hoary orchid]

Feint out of GCD is the best feeling in this patch

[lilac stag]

So you have 2 evic binds. Who cares.

[wispy pebble]

i track coup to not dash into shit. Then i still dash into shit

[vale pine]

lol

ask stealthi

he rly likes the random charges on coup, 100% didn't tilt him yesterday on queen mythic when he charged into webs

[lilac stag]

I almost yoinked myself into sikran with the lag

[sacred yarrow]

never one... without the other

[vale pine]

exactly

[alpine wraith]

now you can at least step back

[vale pine]

i had so many stupid deaths or cheat death procs because of it

[alpine wraith]

before you got locked locked

[lilac stag]

Idk why they keep trying to implement this. Not a single class/spec has ever enjoyed it

[vale pine]

its more a oopsie

[hoary orchid]

aint it a bug?

[vale pine]

they took dfa as skeleton

and dfa did charge you if you ended up too far away

it did hide it behind the animation

but coup has the animation removed

and the gcd lock

we just still have the oddities

like the charge

[wispy pebble]

they couldve just used evicerate lmao

[alpine wraith]

nah that would be too much

it also has to be split in 6 hits

[iron fjord]

replacing snd with shuriken tornado, wish me luck not pressing that every pull

[modest river]

!fuu

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[pliant arrow]

any change in DS vs trickster in keys now? talking 11-13 range

[lilac stag]

Trick

Everywhere

[graceful crown]

wait i missed a chapter

we always sectec first now

b4 evisc?

[vestal escarp]

The old coup condition applies

[patent crystal]

dust removed so we dont have enough cdr on sectech

[alpine wraith]

no we always sec tech first now

[graceful crown]

that's hype

[alpine wraith]

because of cdr thingies

[vestal escarp]

Even when coup and fazed are up?

Not in opener

[alpine wraith]

yea you get 15 secs of cdr on sec tech

when you use coup with charger

that is too good to pass up for sec tech

[vestal escarp]

Why care that much about sectech cd tho , we're not sending on cd, dance still the limiting factor

[alpine wraith]

although you only dance once kinda in between cds after 1:30 so it does not happen often

[graceful crown]

i like that tho, i like these changes

it feels so nice now

[alpine wraith]

you still send on cd if cdr is enough to have it for next set of cds

but either way using it before is not a huge loss

you get a coup with less dmg from sec tech thingy or a sec tech without some extra flawless

[wispy pebble]

i spent a few mins on training dummy, do we send one symbols and sectec without dance like old trickster? Had dance not up with SoD and Sectec a few times

[modest river]

!fuu

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[alpine wraith]

yea you do that quite often now

sometimes you even skip symbols altogether

and send sec tech alone if cdr is enough

[vale pine]

both are close enough to make it possible

but people reported deathstalkers mark randomly dissapearing

so not sure how common problems are

patch day is lovely

[keen dome]

I am doing considerably better with these Sub changes than I was last week, geez. I'm amazed.

[hard wolf]

patch day without horrible rogue bugs : IMPOSSIBLE

[alpine wraith]

our dmg is more frontloaded now

[rain smelt]

Can see the pin now recommends Trickster in dungeon slice. Is that due to Nimble Furry bug being fixed?

[alpine wraith]

that helps a bit

nimble was never bugged

[jade urchin]

wasnt it super frontloaded to begin with

[alpine wraith]

just it didnt work in non instanced content fully

for some reason

[wispy pebble]

i am hugely confused with SD, SoD and sectec alignment lmao

[alpine wraith]

nah the cds were like almost 30 secs long

triple dance

[rain smelt]

Wasnt it only 40% instead of of the 50% mentioned?

[alpine wraith]

only in non instanced content it seems

we were willy imagining things would make sense

[rain smelt]

Oh i missed that

[alpine wraith]

and tried things on dummies

so i have wasted quite some hours kek

[pale python]

Hey, I see new talent build with Supercharger but I dont see any Shiv in rotation?

[alpine wraith]

we dont use shiv

supercharger procs with SoD on sub

[rain smelt]

!bugs

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[slate nest]

Is it me or trying stuff on dummies was HELLA laggy?

[wispy pebble]

its laggy as shit

[alpine wraith]

lots of elemental shammies

and frost mages being cursed beings

[hazy breach]

Stop being in dornogal

[slate nest]

Ah so it wasnt only me

[wispy pebble]

my cut to the chase bugs out regularly

[jade urchin]

going sw/org dummies helps a bit

[alpine wraith]

not even valdrakken is safe

[leaden prairie]

wtf solo is back

[slate nest]

Ight will try once im at home xd

[leaden prairie]

but with assa name

[jade urchin]

wrong solo

[leaden prairie]

in sub channel

[alpine wraith]

wrong solo

[jade urchin]

[pale python]

sorry for being noob and asking noob question but hows SoD procing Shiv now? is this some passive in talent tree? Cant see it

[leaden prairie]

we missed you solo

!

[alpine wraith]

we dont use shiv as sub

[jade urchin]

need to change name frfr

[wispy pebble]

sod is proccing supercharger

[alpine wraith]

symbols of death is what procs supercharger

[pale python]

aaaaaaa right

omg

[slate nest]

No shiv, one less cd to worry about

I will try out sub in m+ today

[alpine wraith]

shiv might only be used by pvps to proc symbolic victory

[iron fjord]

why my energy so low what happened

[alpine wraith]

energy is always low outside of cds

[jade urchin]

its a lot better from what people said

didnt get to play yet cause eu and work

[flat root]

do u still BP 5+ ?

[jade urchin]

BP for trickster is 12/13 targets ish

based on what was talked tonight

[slate nest]

I tried only dummies bcs I got irl shit rn, but once I get home it's spam city

[keen dome]

I'm excited to try this in M+. Legit impressed by the raid performance (Heroic only so not top stuff)

[jade urchin]

trickster m+ seems to be popping

but so is assa, but its a little closer at least

[slate nest]

Based on sims

Im still like 600-700k behind assa xd

On 5 targets in 5 min

[jade urchin]

my dungeon slices are like 200-300k apart

[slate nest]

Im doing 5 bosses

[jade urchin]

important note is i have gear for both obviously

but it was like 500k ish before patch

so its going up for sure

[timid rivet]

lets gooo

[slate nest]

I completely forgor there's a dungeon slices sim xd

[jade urchin]

i mean dungeon slice sim isnt really perfect

but it paints the picture for rogue at least

[lilac stag]

wtf is alive for 5 mins 5T?

[alpine wraith]

use slice sim to see which gear is good

[formal helm]

Depleted key energy...

[lilac stag]

basically

[jade urchin]

if u sim lower time its just gonna favor stat on use trinkets always for example

[lilac stag]

use slice for gearing options.

and shocking. You’ll have 2 mins up

so either way 5 mins has no practical reason in 5T

[jade urchin]

thats what i said but if u sim 5 targets 2 min u gain 0 info kinda

the root of problem is the 5 target patchwerk

but 2 min makes it worse

[lilac stag]

just do 30 seconds 5T with lust, right @vale pine ?

[jade urchin]

LOL

[wispy pebble]

if i use SoD and Sectec without SD then i would only SoD when i have enough CP for Sectec right?
so -> stab until 6 cp then sod + and sectec

[lilac stag]

Hell what expansion was that sim request.

[vale pine]

don't forget to use bloodlust for better accuracy

[lilac stag]

Starting to blend together

one of the more memorable conversations in here

[wispy pebble]

Is there any circumstance where i dont SD with Sod when both are up?

[lilac stag]

Yes

[paper tendon]

so assa now is better on court, since sub can’t do 1 min cds now for 3:46-4:46 timings?

[wheat skiff]

!fuu

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[still quartz]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[slate nest]

Nothing but I felt like it's a good benchmarl

[lilac stag]

If it’s never applicable how is it a good benchmark?

don’t have to answer, I’m just trying to understand the thought process.

[rain smelt]

Are there anything of significance in the HC raid for sub?

[lilac stag]

no

You can sim them. Import stings are in #tc-research

[rain smelt]

Ah thanks

[slate nest]

it's good to know how much my class can hold for 5 mins, so I can compare myself on dummies for that time

If im doing it correctl or nah

[raw ivy]

i cant understand the supercharger thing, i cant see any buff

did i miss something?

[alpine wraith]

there is no buff

it is on cps

[slate nest]

You get 2 blue cps

Like you got on old ER

But now you dont have to finish there

You get them auto

[raw ivy]

oh i think my weak aura hasnt implemented it then

[slate nest]

9cp finisher at 7 cp+ having 2 blue cps

Neither did mine

That's why I have cps on enemies aswell

[jade urchin]

i mean u can just ignore that it exists

[slate nest]

Yup

[jade urchin]

it plas itself

[raw ivy]

we need to symbol prepull no?

[jade urchin]

plays

[jade urchin]

why

[slate nest]

Prepull symbols? Why would you?

Just do the basic rotation that you remember withour SnD opener

[jade urchin]

if u can play the new opener properly the spec is gonna play itself mostly

ir feels quite natural now

[slate nest]

And SoD having 3 charges actually doesn't feel weird

That was my fear

Of it being weird to play with

[jade urchin]

sod 3 charges gonna be awkward on longer fights tho

[raw ivy]

hum i read it yesterday or so

[jade urchin]

cause it will disalign ur cds

[slate nest]

Just use symbols with sectech

[clever delta]

Poor spec, rip sub

[ornate current]

wait why is RS simming better on ST than Imp ST ?

[slate nest]

sub is good actually

[clever delta]

Did you see logs

[meager coyote]

sooooo what the hell happened to our trinkets

huh all my roles are gone

[jade urchin]

there is half a day worth of logs

[slate nest]

raidlogs?

[fair anchor]

Cause the supercharger buff has no duration

[slate nest]

you can symbols pre key

[fair anchor]

I assume if they said prepull it has nothing to do with keys

[alpine wraith]

also works pre key

[fair anchor]

Sure

[alpine wraith]

you can also do it as timer gets popped rotten lasts 30 scs

[slate nest]

Prepull symbols feels weird if you want to have them every sectech

[alpine wraith]

that way you can strike evis dance strike SoD sec tech etc

you get them anyway

[slate nest]

yuh

[vale pine]

we get enough energy

you can also take gloomblade instead

0.2% better than rs

(for deathstalker)

(for trickster, it isn't)

[lilac stag]

we just don’t acknowledge DS exists at this point. Another 35% BP buff inc.

[rapid warren]

Boys outlaw is rip in my eyes
Hows sub looking for m+ only
Im not playing ass thats for sure

[alpine wraith]

it is a bit weaker than assa but kinda fine

you will need transmitter tho

[rapid warren]

Oooof

Aight no sub for me

U said enough

I hate that trinket

[snow birch]

why

Can't jump 3 times ?

[lilac stag]

#assassination it is then.

[rapid warren]

3 times jump is fine

[snow birch]

Every thing is fine

[rapid warren]

But circle tends to hide from me in big aoe

[lilac stag]

They’re all fine.

Place it better

[rapid warren]

Real!

[snow birch]

Shadowcloack

[lilac stag]

!transmitter

[wicked jolt]

The orb and circle from Treacherous Transmitter always spawn in the same spot. Relative to how your character is facing it spawns northeast/1:30 o'clock/frontright, this means you can know where it will spawn and react accordingly.
https://i.imgur.com/cTPN4Tz.png

[snow birch]

It's always going to the same place you know

At least for me

The ball that you have to pick up too

[rapid warren]

I didnt know this piece of information

[near rivet]

orb travels in random direction though, right?

[rapid warren]

Thanks boys

[lilac stag]

we smart here

[rapid warren]

And BP sub back right?

[lilac stag]

No

[snow birch]

Orb spawn not very far you can pick it up very quickly

[lilac stag]

Trickster

[rapid warren]

Ouuu?

Trickster with super charger?

Sheeesh

[lilac stag]

Wowhead guide is your friend

[rapid warren]

Will cook until they fix real spec

[lilac stag]

I’m going to be sorry I asked, what’s wrong with pirate spec now?

[rapid warren]

New bugs came in play

Pressing AR gets you out of stealth

Super charger appears not to work

Blade flurry isnt flurrying

Its a shit show

[lilac stag]

ah. The sub treatment has infected another spec.

[rapid warren]

Many things

And we lost ER

To supercharger that is tied to roll the bones

And its just dumb af

Dropping 4 buffs for a supercharged finisher

[vestal escarp]

yeah cant unbind snd anytime soon

muscle memory is fucking me up

[lilac stag]

put a second copy of Evis there

[vestal escarp]

if only it was taht easy bro

snd has been there for 7 years now

[alpine wraith]

i have a blank ther enow

shift mouse up is NOTHING

now

[vestal escarp]

i press it many times out of comabt if i have cps

pressed*

[lilac stag]

Put a stealth macro there that has a text message “hey dumbass, snd isn’t a thing”

[vestal escarp]

well...

at trickster outside of dance sometimes you can hit bs many times and get to 5 or 6 cps withoout proccing ub and having form up

you would spend those cp as rup, bp or snd

it might still have use cases

no im stupid

pressing evis instead of snd is always a gain

[lilac stag]

Mmhm

[vestal escarp]

yeah it's so dead

cause it's a finisher

and another finisher does its thing + dmg

it could be changed into a shitty builder

[lilac stag]

@vale pine fixed the flag icon

[alpine wraith]

might as well have made it purple

[slate steppe]

Someone here rerolled Dracthyr?
Can Dracthyr choose to fight in visage form?

[lilac stag]

yes

[old socket]

yes

[slate steppe]

Yes for what?

[vale pine]

i think its fine as is

[lilac stag]

i just didnt want it desaturated

[vale pine]

it does not look that bad

it would need some color tho

[keen dome]

Purple

It needs PURPLE

[lilac stag]

it's desaturated, which I use for on CD. it's dumb

[keen dome]

we're the purple spec 😠

[keen dome]

Yeah, haha.

I do the same, and it's annoying.

I might just recolour it in gimp and use a custom icon

[lilac stag]

so the old icon it is

[velvet nova]

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[alpine wraith]

aaaaaaaaaa

[lilac stag]

that's just using WA color

[keen dome]

Ooh, that's nice.

[lilac stag]

that's a bit better

[vale pine]

oh no

[lilac stag]

a little more pink

[vale pine]

that is worse

[velvet nova]

Yeah

[paper iron]

purple = win

[near rivet]

anyone knows old flag icon ID?

[lilac stag]

3565724

[near rivet]

ty

[frosty aspen]

Yo where can i check what talents to run in m+ as sub now or maybe they are the same

[lilac stag]

Wowhead.

[modest river]

thank you for that ID, my brain now functions smoothly

[lilac stag]

np

there is a manual search in WA if you know the spell name

[glacial hinge]

!fuu

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[lusty acorn]

yo im considering playing sub until outlaw's bugs are fixed. what build do you guys play as of today?

[alpine wraith]

trickster mostly

[iron spear]

Are you asking in general, if people here are playing sub, or are you asking what talent-build people are playing? Are you asking, if people would recommend sub? Because, if you just asking for talent builds, just look at wowhead, its updated.

[alpine wraith]

there are st talents and the dungeon ones are kinda the same

[tidal python]

Just making it brighter already helps a lot

[alpine wraith]

nah just get old one color the red purple

win

[tacit aspen]

I'm hearing some conflicting stuff regarding naked symbols. Some people are saying we only ned to naked symbols on longer fights, others saying we naked symbols between major cooldowns like we did before patch

[alpine wraith]

we just murdered frieza

[tidal python]

works too yeah

[gritty knot]

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[alpine wraith]

oh im stealing that

[tidal python]

feel free

[vale pine]

mei did some coloring in photoshop the other day

red looks great

[upper narwhal]

ooh i like the middle one

[alpine wraith]

old one with purple bis tho

[slate nest]

I don't mind the current one

I miss sepsis tho

Was a good pvp choice

[alpine wraith]

yea 2 tps was cool

[slate nest]

I am curious about new sub build

With the changes

for pvp

for pve I already saw and I like it

[alpine wraith]

for pvp we might get our finishers nerfed again

because you can once again duel someone with 4 chargers and a SoD ready and murder them

[slate nest]

Are we oneshotting?

[alpine wraith]

no idea i dont really play pvp much anymore

just like watching

maybe some rogue is streaming you can check

[lilac stag]

if you look at the sample sequnce you'll see the hold of dance around 1:00

[slate nest]

Bcs if we can kill someone in one duel then good. but if we oneshot then it's bad

[alpine wraith]

sec tech and evis should be quite nerfed already

40 to 60% ish

[slate nest]

Then we don't need nerfs xd

[alpine wraith]

so even if charger buffs them a bit it wont make us solo people super fast

but might surprise some people used to last patch dmg intake

[slate nest]

It will be a little higher than usual

Still not worthy of nerf

Sub wasnt really super strong

We might just compete again with feral druids xd

[vestal escarp]

rogue class not allowed to murder bozos

[glacial hinge]

any reasoning why we use replicating shadows on ST?

[near rivet]

sims say so

[alpine wraith]

most talents are ass on that row for st

[lilac stag]

It’s better than the other 3 options.

[glacial hinge]

kekw xDD sub being sub

[alpine wraith]

they are very close and replicating does more things in 2t+

[lilac stag]

welcome to the shitty sub talent tree

[alpine wraith]

if you want to gamba you can talent PE

[slate nest]

Sub talents being sub talents once again

[alpine wraith]

maybe that 6% crit is all you neede

[vestal escarp]

6% flat is a lot when we gear that little

[alpine wraith]

not enough to beat 20% on rupture

we have crit when we need it already

[slate nest]

Imagine the best st talent choice is a cleave choice 😱

[hazy breach]

You can run RS, imp SHT, gloomblade or tfd, all valid options

[glacial hinge]

the sims are done for m+ aswell?

[hazy breach]

All of them kinda unimportant

[alpine wraith]

yea tbh i kinda dig tfd makes first opener look quite cool

[hazy breach]

You can also skip a point in swift death and run imp sht+PE

[slate nest]

Wait

Gloomblade viable?

[hazy breach]

All of those sim roughly the same with some slight variation based on exact gear setup

[near rivet]

tfd should be better on shorter fights thou

[slate nest]

I might do tfd tho

[alpine wraith]

it does gain power if fight is shorter yes

but not as much as you would expect

[glacial hinge]

we using tea instead of Super for m+? 😐

[alpine wraith]

no

[hazy breach]

If you really want tea you'd drop cold blood

But i wouldnt recommend

[glacial hinge]

sims are not up to date then

nah hell nah broxD

[alpine wraith]

tea is for the bin

[glacial hinge]

i was hoping tea to go away

[alpine wraith]

let it swim in the sea

[glacial hinge]

since its mostly for mastery

[near rivet]

rude name for assasination

[alpine wraith]

we kinda never used tea unless one of the demon builds no one played

[glacial hinge]

we dont have Energy issues on cd's so meh

so any spot where builds are acurate or is just same sht but take tea into supercharge

nvm saw pins 🙂

[slate nest]

Tea is garbage even for sin, the new tea feels super bad to use

[keen dome]

where it belongs. Coffee is superior

[small pawn]

is versatility really that important for sub ?

[alpine wraith]

just one of the better stats

mastery and vers are quite close

crit and haste are a bit behind

[drifting quest]

guys I have a question, do I want to use ST on cd with the secondary prio slapping a symbols before it and a tertiary prio slapping dance before it as well? Or do I only want ST when I can dance+symbols (or only symbols) before it?

[alpine wraith]

no idea what you just typed you just dance twice with cds then with cb then again on cds and 1 naked SoD sometimes

[tidal python]

Genuinely makes me wonder what they were thinking

[lilac stag]

There’s no aura to track for TFD correct? @hazy breach

[alpine wraith]

then you have 1 joker SoD you can use ONCE

[alpine wraith]

you can track it has a buff

[hazy breach]

What

Theres a buff

[slate nest]

you symbols before every sectech

[lilac stag]

hmm. Not seeing one. Time to reload I guess

[drifting quest]

basically, if my ST is up and SoD as well, but my dance is a few sec away, do I wait those few seconds before using my ST with SoD so that I can combine it with dance?

[weary kite]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[alpine wraith]

you never run into that situation

if that happens you messed up before

[lilac stag]

I think you can run into on a dummy

[lilac stag]

Reload fixed TFD

[alpine wraith]

the 1 min SoD is dry

you look if you can get cdr to have sec tech at 1:30 if you can you send sec tech

if you cant you dont

you'll get used to it

also for the ones after 1:30 you dance with CB

the other SoD are dry and you dont do the [] one

[vale pine]

one idea people have is

maybe its because of contrast

to not look the same as shadowstrike

[iron spear]

why are we using Vengance after SC?

[hallow saddle]

!fuu

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[drifting quest]

@alpine wraith got it, ty for helping out

I think I had it happen because I didn't do the dry SoD, assuming I would always have the cdr

[alpine wraith]

yea you have to send that one dry and also from then on you skip the [] one

[vale pine]

whast vengance and sc

i assume you mean shadowblades ?

you use it late because of premediation

also the lower duration

[iron spear]

yeah, st and shadow blades, I got confussed

[vale pine]

basically

premediation gives you full combo points on your next builder

shadowblades makes your builder give full combo points

delaying it means you don't lose the effect

[alpine wraith]

you can also SoD just before sec tech likely to have rotten on strikes with more DM and blades

but that one is so little

who cares

[young path]

Trickster feeling extremely competitive in keys… hopefully a bit more tuning comes our way with whatever notes blizzard puts out today/tomorrow

[slate nest]

Give

Us

More

Dmg

I dont want to be fucking 300k ish down

to sin

[tepid trellis]

git gud

[young path]

I kept up just fine with a ret pal buddy in 12s last night

[alpine wraith]

that seems cool

[vale pine]

we lack sustained aoe, thats about it

ret is good ye

[alpine wraith]

they got some changes and gear is a bit diff

so he might have to change some things around

[young path]

And my assa vs trickster sim for dungeon slice is very very close

Like 30k diff

[alpine wraith]

sub is mighty fine now if you can get first dance and use cds then pack dies

then go next and same thing

but if pack lasts forever we are sad

[vale pine]

first dance 6 sec rly should go

[alpine wraith]

yea man make it secs or maybe 4 at most

or stealth

so we can at least secure it with vanish

[fallow nimbus]

Isn't the "dance with cb" basically the 45 [] one after 2nd cds because cb cd is 45sec?

[vale pine]

just make it out of combat

[alpine wraith]

yes

[vale pine]

idk

the 6 sec is completely random

[young path]

Yah, not a fan of the 6 second thing…. I feel like they just wanted to emphasize breaks between pulls but overestimated it imo

[vale pine]

i don't think any other class has a similar dependency

[alpine wraith]

but you can only do that once if you dance next sec tech after cds

so afterwards you skip and only use sec tech if you can get enough cdr to get it back for CB

[fallow nimbus]

So shouldn't the [] in eleens text be the 30sec one?

[alpine wraith]

that one also works

[young path]

Mists maze and perhaps dawn breaker might be worth looking at for that talent

[alpine wraith]

the problem is that sometimes you dont get enough cdr if you use sec tech after getting it back after cds

to send it on next cb

[hazy breach]

You'd just spec tfd every single dungeon

No reason not to

[alpine wraith]

so eleem one works well

[candid mural]

Is there a way to macro Shadow Dance and Sjadowstrike together?

[alpine wraith]

that one does not work anymore

they broke it

[fallow nimbus]

So now sectec cdr is a problem too?

[candid mural]

I noticed that...at least it's not my bad tjen^^

[alpine wraith]

it still is on dry SoD

[hazy breach]

You dont need tfd to proc every pack for it to be better than WM or something. A couple of procs per dungeon easily outweighs it

[alpine wraith]

you need to look at cd and kinda guesstimate

yea 2 or 3 procs over FIVE MINS

should be plenty for it to overtake WM

[slate nest]

Make it 6 sec in pvp and 0 in pve

[hazy breach]

TFD is about as good as the other talents on a 5 minute dummy sim ST without any resets whatsoever

[slate steppe]

Im an official reptile now

[alpine wraith]

yea if you can get TFD on all sets of cds

[vale pine]

tfd isn't bad

[alpine wraith]

it is kinda good

maybe too good inc nerf

smh here we are talking

now it will be 10 secs out of combat

[nimble burrow]

[fallow nimbus]

Imagine we had a streamlined cd rotation with a bit of leeway for when things happen

[young path]

Are the sim APLs (not sure what that actually means…) for trickster good now? Or is there advanced mode stuff we should be accounting for

I’m stacking vers gear and I am blown away at how high this is getting compared to last week

It’s like 500k diff

[glacial stirrup]

!fuu

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[red vortex]

Finally finished updating the WA

[vale pine]

everything pushed, apl/sim is good

[young path]

I just did a quick sim based off my character and it’s 2.02 mil 5 min dungeon slice

[young path]

You’re the man Fuu!

[alpine wraith]

there may be some min maxes but if they exist they are not huge

[vestal escarp]

the 90s cds in keys feel way better

[alpine wraith]

like some things i talked about earlier need to be checked etc

[vestal escarp]

too bad sod/dance timing are completely theorycrafted on the spot

[hoary sun]

Is it me or is dance cdr completely garbage now

[alpine wraith]

we have made some tests best one where what i said but if sims work better with the eleem one just believe

CB is not that huge of a cooldown anyway

dance cdr was always kinda bad after repeated nerfs

we just got lots for free from dust

[hazy breach]

mostly just time it around sectech i think

[lilac stag]

imagine nerfing a spec with the playrate of sub in keys

[alpine wraith]

blood dk just got snacked

for no reason

kekw

[hazy breach]

to make sure you get supercharger sectechs as close to on cd as possible

Is my feeling after hitting dummies

[deft oar]

just don’t spam jump if you have transmitter learned it the hard way

[alpine wraith]

yea for me the first 1:30 is quite clear on what we want afterwards it is idk

[lilac stag]

how are the visage animations? the dragon ones looked awful

[alpine wraith]

the sec tech after cds sometimes you can send it and get it back by CB

[sacred yarrow]

should be same as BE, no?

[alpine wraith]

other times you cant

the good thing about several charges of SoD is if there are intermissions or dead zones you can stack them a bit

i use rogue general part of LE then my own dotfocus for sub things

[lilac stag]

border for tfd, not sure if I like or not

[subtle swallow]

So did we lose our cooldown reset on vanish with 11.0.5?

[alpine wraith]

yes

[rugged flicker]

whats the reason for that btw was it op in pvp or something?

[hoary sun]

Sheesh man dance cd feels very bad even in m+

[fallow nimbus]

Maybe we get dance cdr buff by 0.1 now that dust is gone

[slate nest]

nah, even in pvp it was okay at best

Since you wanted to use vanish to restealth and wait for cds

You almost never used vanish offensively

[hazy breach]

It was complicated and convoluted.

[rugged flicker]

my only reason for not switching to assassination was the mobility for transmog runs :/

[tough knot]

Dust is gone?

[alpine wraith]

in pvp it got nerfed 70%

so yes it was op

[alpine wraith]

we still have speedshroud

[slate nest]

ah it was at start?

[vale pine]

dust was op in pvp

[alpine wraith]

brrrrrrrrrrr

[tough knot]

Here hoping they give dust to outlaw =D

[lilac stag]

i swear people dont look at pins, guides or even patch notes let alone the talent tree

[vale pine]

lets face it

[alpine wraith]

yea it was the full 30 secs in sl for a while

[vale pine]

i am fairly certain that was a big factor for the removal

[tough knot]

I haven't played sub in a while so yeah out of the loop, sorry

[vale pine]

sub had additional defensives and was hard to kill

[slate nest]

Oh yeah I remember, we got nerfed there and sub died for rest of DF xd

[vale pine]

so they purged it

[alpine wraith]

DF already had a bit of a nerf but it got nerfed again

and also blind duration and sap duration nerf

etc

[vale pine]

its fairly chill in this channel

[alpine wraith]

we had cloaked in shadows for a while full power

that one was a fun one

[vale pine]

you should go and see #assassination

[rugged flicker]

whats that

[alpine wraith]

yea assa is clueless central

[lilac stag]

fuu just change your name to open wowhead 2

[tough knot]

Just waiting for whispyr to come back to let him know of a bug dropping mark

[vale pine]

think it became even more dominant in the m+ meta, took very long tbh i expected this to happen sooner

[alpine wraith]

dont worry they are flocking to ele more

that place is in shambles

[lilac stag]

i think it's gonna get worse is outlaw bugs are that bad

[tough knot]

I heard ele is broken right bow

[alpine wraith]

it is super broken yes

[rugged flicker]

i guess but 3 minute cooldown

[alpine wraith]

yea but what does assa have

0 cd

sub 1

checkmate

[rugged flicker]

yeah but assa deals dps

[tough knot]

Like 5M overall in dungeons broken

[rugged flicker]

what does sub have

[vale pine]

i do think it will be hard to compete with assassiantion

[alpine wraith]

transmog runs are whatever for dps you want the speeed

[vale pine]

iron wire is a very op talent, none of the other specs can compete with

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/jhope-arson-jhope-arson-fire-bora-fire-gif-26207734

sub has purple

[rugged flicker]

i know but i meant in general i would have completely switched to assa if not for mobility

[alpine wraith]

PORPLE

[vale pine]

on top of scent and big aoe

[rugged flicker]

now i have no reason not to

[alpine wraith]

actually outlaw if you can hit shit is faster than sub even

[slate nest]

iron wire even with the nerfs is just super op

[alpine wraith]

you get infinite graples

[vale pine]

assassiantion got a lot of mobility in DF

so diffrence between sub/sin arn't there anymore for more than 2 years

[rugged flicker]

oh no by mobility i specifically meant i can run through low lvl dungeons faster

[vale pine]

oh

[rugged flicker]

as in, vanish for sprint reset

which is gone now 😭

[tidal python]

I wonder how much people would riot if blizzard removed shadowstep from assa and made it sub-only

[slate nest]

I still would use a dh for tmog

Or monk

[hazy breach]

Still got shrouded in darkness and fade to nothing

So its still faster than assa

[rugged flicker]

yeah that makes sense

just sucks that my first character was rogue lol

ill have to level a dh

[sacred yarrow]

shouldve added a different skill instead of just sharing

[slate nest]

Best way

[alpine wraith]

feral is faster than dh

if you really want the fastest zoomies

[slate nest]

True

[alpine wraith]

think there is a community with the gear for it

[slate nest]

But dh is 3 button class

So its easier than drood

[neon fractal]

I know im probably in the minority but feral is a very simple rotation

[vale pine]

assassiantion only had 1 charge of step, mobility was one of subtleties unique selling point

[trim ridge]

wait we no longer use tea in dungs? oh shit cant wait to try it and feel like shit

[slate nest]

Sub was super strong back in legion days for both pve and pvp

I remember the good ol days

[dire saddle]

Fuu, do you a link where you explain why we use SB after dance+sod+stech?

[vale pine]

but most of subtleties selling points are now selling points of assassiantion

[vale pine]

premedaition

you want to not waste premediation, so you delay blades till after secret

[dire saddle]

Gotcha

[eternal gyro]

a solution for spamming macro with SOD, cast multiple SOD in row

[slate nest]

Overlapping SoD

[tidal python]

Part of me also wishes we could go back to being good at funnel, but the combo point economy went crazy and we're already casting a finisher almost every other GCD even at ST now

[sacred yarrow]

guys can we still cast shadow blades during the 12 secs haste after effect?

[tough knot]

Tomb of Sargeras funnel was fun

[alpine wraith]

you can make it a castsecuence with reset=x secs you want it

[vale pine]

no solution sadly

[alpine wraith]

what i wrote works

[tough knot]

Cast sequence with sod and null?

[alpine wraith]

yes

or SoD and a spell yout cant use

then it resets back to SoD

like pick pocket or open lock

[vale pine]

you can probably do 1 sec reset then or 2

you rarely will press it longer than that

but good idea hacha

[hazy breach]

Whats the exact syntax for it

[alpine wraith]

i think i had one lying around but im not ingame if anyone can check

dont really remember

[bleak wind]

did anyone figure out what that evis damage bug is? Is it the old one with trickster swapping

[alpine wraith]

found this if anyone can try to do one that works ingame https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/MACRO_castsequence

[hazy breach]

My guess is that its got something to do with prestacking supercharger not resetting properly

[stiff spear]

hmmm my sims are failing on Sub

[alpine wraith]

/castsequence reset=5 Symbols of Death, Pickpocket

should work

[hazy breach]

Remove any old custom APL

[vernal drum]

hey guys, what the new build sooo with those changes

[bleak wind]

like the evis doing more than 10cp?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[stiff spear]

oh damn forgot I even had it

[lilac stag]

/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death, Sepsis

[vale pine]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death, Pick Pocket```

i don't think you need a 2nd option

[lilac stag]

well mine works for sure 🙂

[hazy breach]

The one you linked doesnt work

[alpine wraith]

havent tried one without no second option think scath one is the one

[vale pine]

ah fair

maybe you do need 2

could just do pickpocket instead of sepsis

ill edited

guess it does not get easier then

[sacred yarrow]

you guys are doing that to reduce a keybind, right?

[lilac stag]

no

to not spam sod

[vale pine]

to avoid accidental symbols casts

[hazy breach]

Why does it lock me out of casting symbols for more than 2 seconds

[slate nest]

Wdym?

[sacred yarrow]

how do you accidentally cast symbols if you dont press it?

[fast surge]

same. can't cast a 2nd symbols after 2 seconds

[vale pine]

try 1 or 3 instead of 2

[hazy breach]

As in if you accidently press the button twice

To only have it cast once

[vale pine]

1 should be enough to not have the problem

[sacred yarrow]

nevermind I just remembered the charges, im still on yesterday

thank you for the replies though

[patent crystal]

did they fix replicating shadows bug btw?

[hazy breach]

no

[vale pine]

nope

[vale lagoon]

LOL what is this rs bug now

[vale pine]

its nothing new

[hazy breach]

Its an old one from 10.2

[vale lagoon]

[vale pine]

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/1167

[lilac stag]

reload? mine works or stealth bar macro thigns 🙂

[vale lagoon]

OH

so that's why

i get random cps like i still have old shadow techniques

[vale pine]

yes

[trim ridge]

is that bug new?

[hazy breach]

Still doesnt work. Locks me out for like 10-12 seconds

[sacred yarrow]

would evade as second option be weird, since its off the GCB now anyway

[lilac stag]

you dont want it triggering anything useful

[hazy breach]

If you mean feint it costs energy, so yes that would be bad

[sacred yarrow]

crap, true, I thought only of CPs not energy

[lilac stag]

what zone are you in?

[vale pine]

pikcocket has the nice benefits of getting gold 😛

best option

[hazy breach]

orgrimmar

[lilac stag]

kk let me go there and try

tanaris it works

[vale lagoon]

is there a way to remove glyphs lol

[vale pine]

yes, there is a item for it

[sacred yarrow]

true, but we can also do Detection to make it fancy

[vale pine]

detect causes a gcd

[lilac stag]

detection is gcd

[vale lagoon]

bcuz i got the transforming glyph for pickpocket and sometimes in dungeons i randomly turn into the big mob in focusing and make tank/healer panic lmao

[lilac stag]

stop overthinking

lol

[vale pine]

win win

[sacred yarrow]

i use detction so little I just assumed it wasnt on GCD lol why is it even

[vale pine]

you can also use spesis like scath

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach it doesnt work in Org

[vale pine]

i just thought pickpocket was a interssting idea

[vale lagoon]

pretty sure i legit baited my friend's meta

[lilac stag]

kekw

[vale lagoon]

last sunday

with that

[hazy breach]

It just doesnt reset properly

[lilac stag]

guess we try it in a delve

it works 100% in tanaris

[rough rivet]

fuu do you know when you will be able to update trinket sims in your sheet? they all expired and i was wondering if harvesters edict was any good (iirc it was really good for sub i think?)

[vale lagoon]

sim ur own character bro

those sims are troll sometimes

[sacred yarrow]

fine I guess I'll just use Fae Pipes and roleplay as bard during raid

[trim ridge]

when bard as a class

[hazy breach]

Doesnt work in rookery either

[sacred yarrow]

SoonTM

[rough rivet]

well obvsly i do that. but trinket might sim worse with my current gear than it actually is. and i dont want to not pick a good item on mythtrack

[lilac stag]

works in main city of TWW lol

fuckin hilarious

htf do castsequences not work the same everywhere

[hazy breach]

Guess we're not recommending those cast sequnces then

[fast surge]

yea the castsequence macro don't work for me

just locks out

[vale lagoon]

lemme be real with u then lol, edict is ass, the only "good" M+ trinket for sub is the crystal and skardyn everything else sims worse than 626 delve trinket lmfao

[lilac stag]

goto a different zone

[fast surge]

why

[lilac stag]

it works in some, not all

[hazy breach]

Well if it doesnt work in orgrimmar

Its not working in instances content

[rough rivet]

kk thought i saw edict in there. guess not. ty 🙂 (simed ass for me as well, thats why i was asking)

[hazy breach]

Open world/dornogal being different is like the nimble shit

[fast surge]

yea I ain't going to be locked out of using SoD based on which zone I can use Sepsis in lol

[twilit phoenix]

can you play sub with sin gear?

or is that troll

[trim ridge]

not the best but playable

both have mastery as main stat

just crit is useless on sub u need versa

[twilit phoenix]

got it ty

[hollow ridge]

its mostly fine

obviously not optimal

[twilit phoenix]

not really looking to full switch sub, but at least go sub on a few fights in raid + NW last 2 bosses

[hollow ridge]

I was playing it in heroic clear last week (i know pre-changes) in full sin gear, even had like 7k haste

still fine

[twilit phoenix]

based, that's encouraging

[vale lagoon]

it's in there, but only bcuz fuu was forced to pick out a few things to slap onto the guide

out of a pile of worthless garbage

the least bad of the trash xD

[rough rivet]

yeah trinkets are kinda meh. thats true

[vale lagoon]

just M+ trinkets

bcuz blizzard perma wanks raiding as a game mode

[trim ridge]

i personally like rading since its the space where sub feels the ebst

or at least felt the best i'll see now after the .5

[vale lagoon]

ofc, and more power to you there

[trim ridge]

i wish sub felt as fun in m+ as sin

[vale lagoon]

it's just that there's a clear trend of all the BiS trinkets

being locked behind raid bosses

[trim ridge]

yea true

[vale lagoon]

and i think after yesterdays patch

sub feels better in m+

still not super blasting

but not bottom of the barrel anymore

[trim ridge]

it does? i'm from eu so i'll have to try today

read some not very good things

[rough rivet]

yeah im glad that im in a guild that gets ce pretty fast so ill have these trinkets sometime. but also not too happy that trinkets are locked behind raid

[vale lagoon]

lmao im raiding with heroics andys becuz i wanna run keys with the RL

and for 10k guild repair everyday

basically trying to boost the guy's friends

[trim ridge]

lmao

cleared last boss of hc for the first time with the guild last weekend, wa sfun

[wet echo]

@vale pine not sure if any1 pointed it out already, but on wowhead guide, you say "trickster plays without shuriken tornado" but when i click on the trickster build it has tornado, and when i click on deathstalker it doesn't have tornado, probably mixed up the 2 😄

[sacred yarrow]

I can cast Flag even with SB on CD as long as when its up I still have the 12 secs of the mastery buff after effect, right?

[vale pine]

oh, i probably forgot to remove that will do once i am on pc

[merry agate]

okay shit feels whack as fuck on ST... some kind of "red string" to follow? sending SD with every sectec doesnt work out 🫣 have to get a feel i guess? send a sectec with symbols only from time to time? 🤔

[bronze turret]

Sounds like ur doing something wrong

[vestal escarp]

really liking new sub

[slate nest]

Finally home

Let's try this badboy out in Keys

[merry agate]

just hitting dummy windfury cranks that cdr up a notch i guess

[vestal escarp]

this new stuff clicks

cherry on top would be getting some more consistent timers on the spec and get rid of cdr

[merry agate]

yeah but i feels better than expected

[keen dome]

Yeeee

I will miss Vigor a little, though..

[barren plume]

How’s sub dps looking? Still a good bit behind the assassin overlords?

[vestal escarp]

i did 2 keys, in the second i tried to strictly play around CB outiside cds

[vale pine]

we are good dps wise in raid, mythic+ can't compete

[vestal escarp]

i was missing a bit of dmg

[barren plume]

Oh nice that’s a plus

[vestal escarp]

in the first key i was more aggressive with dances but always pooling to 2 charges for cds and it paid off more

[barren plume]

We overtake sin in raid or is it just on par now with sin

[lilac stag]

Still behind

[vestal escarp]

until sin nerfs

then it's to see

[livid olive]

This symbols of death macro isn't working for me ;_;

wait nvm IQ issue

nvm x2 it's still bricked

Starting to think mouse wheel up isn't the most ideal bind for symbols

[bronze hatch]

Why would you mouse wheel a cooldown tho

[barren plume]

Will sin get nerfed though? I mean not like they are blasting as hard as the top specs they are up there but not a mile ahead of the rest

[hazy breach]

Not sure what you mean

Assa got a significant buff for keys

[paper rock]

Question, is there still a difference in opener/playstyle when it comes to DS vs trickster?

[hazy breach]

And they were already arguably the best dps

[livid olive]

Well I started playing sub in raid last patch, I felt like I wanted symbols/dance on my mouse because they're off gcd

[hazy breach]

A sin nerf is absolutely coming

[bronze hatch]

I just shift-D symbols and shift-T dance

[paper rock]

That is so incredibly cursed

[barren plume]

With another sub buff on the way!

[livid olive]

yeeee modifier on dance/symbols doesnt work for me personalyl

[toxic zephyr]

may i ask why are we not playing the Goremaw's Bite feels like a good pick when out of cds to offset some lack of energy?

[hazy breach]

We dont need energy

[alpine wraith]

other talents are stronger

[bronze hatch]

My sectech is Ctrl-Q
Let’s watch the world burn together 🍿

[short radish]

that trinket is bait and bugged(at least was last month)

[paper rock]

How do you move?

[short radish]

my rupture is f3

[livid olive]

i'm confused though, surely with reset=5 how am i queueing 2 casts of symbols when i mouse wheel up?

[bronze hatch]

I don’t hold ctrl

[paper rock]

idk you do you bro LUL

[bronze hatch]

Alt f4 to eviscerate for best results

[vale pine]

i have no idea, i am not on pc so can't test

[short radish]

my evis used to be f2

[vale pine]

think eleem did test but it seems like cast sequences arn't working well

[bronze hatch]

Probably it’s counting two button presses

[young path]

Based on the last minute DK / Mage changes plus the incredibly lopsided class spec representations in competitive keys…

I’m gonna go out on a limb in hopes blizzard does the right thing and balances this game

They did elude to more tuning very soon and common sense would imply nerfs at top, buffs at bottom

[hazy breach]

Ye it doesnt reset like it should while in instanced content

[vale pine]

uff

[livid olive]

Oh, well i'm in dornogal

and it's not working either

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vale pine]

[livid olive]

yeh that's what the reset=5 is meant to handle

[livid olive]

tbh it's probably just a me issue

or?

cos mouse wheel up im like

[hazy breach]

Na

[livid olive]

basically hitting the macro like 10x times maybe borkijng it?

oh

[hazy breach]

Idk, game wasnt particularly lopsided

[hazy breach]

There were 10 different dps specs on the front page last time i checked, and thats with tons of duplicates from the same team

[young path]

?

That was yesterday if I’m remembering

Sub ain’t even on it

[woeful egret]

looking at raid statistics from the last day and it's interesting

90th percentile

[haughty mural]

is this heroic ?

[livid olive]

I can see what happens with the macro too like, essentially I spell queue the 2nd stack of symbols before the cast sequence moves onto the pick pocket

[young path]

That what I’m thinking

[woeful egret]

mythic

there is a gap at highest parse, but 90 and 95 percentile seem to look like this

[vestal escarp]

one third of the world raided bro

[short radish]

good to see it in mythic though

[alpine wraith]

this one works /castsequence reset=combat/3 Symbols of Death, Pick Lock

resets if 3 secs pass after last click

[vale lagoon]

wait

[alpine wraith]

you can put also pick pocket

[vale lagoon]

im seeing a CT nerf on forums of all places

are they actually cracking down on sin in keys

[alpine wraith]

@hazy breach can you check this one it is working for me inside rookery change second one to whatever if you want too

[livid olive]

Didn't change anything for me :L

[tacit aspen]

this is very good for us. means more rerollers and thus easier to parse

[alpine wraith]

what did you do you need to click it then it changes after 3 secs of not clicking

if you spam click it will stay on pick lock

after using symbols