damn, i'm not sold on what changed. I'll have to wait and see then.
#subtlety
regal stag
pliant topaz
depends on what you mean/want
sinful sluice
Is there a reason why sub priotizes versatility? Thought this was tank stats
regal stag
depends on what you mean/want
i really did like the cdr offered by shadowdust (it reminds me a bit of Premed, during vanilla). The CDR was nice DPS wise but utilisy wise too.
*utility
pliant topaz
i think a lot of people are unhappy with their decision but it is what it is not much we can do
regal stag
true enough. I'm getting a bit old, and i spent a lot of time regretting hemorrage (when used with a slow weapon at the time)...guess changes are always a bit tough !
alpine wraith
we got our hands substitued with captain crunch bars
and people wonder why we are skeptical or sad of the changes
pliant topaz
true enough. I'm getting a bit old, and i spent a lot of time regretting hemorra...
fwiw, these are horrible changes
steel horizon
One more week guys. Surely there will be more changes 
pliant topaz
!dot5
wicked joltBOT
The power level of the spec stays about the same but the changes are generally a downgrade.
Things that get worse in the patch:
- Talent diversity
- Defensives
- Gameplay
This does not meant he patch is bad, just that it isn't a great update to Subtlety.
alpine wraith
they solve nothing but make me more sad
ahaha that command
think today we begin the osu! grind again
now that i have no upgrades from m+
we do weeklies then chill raidlogs
pliant topaz
looking at their idiotic tuning practice btw, its only going to get worse next patch for the remaining sub players
alpine wraith
they wont tune anything if the history repeats
pliant topaz
because of how the sod charges works, your opener burst is gonna be really really high, then ever burst after that is going to be loewr ad lower and lower
pliant topaz
so youre gonna be destroying heroic fights on 1:30 min timers
alpine wraith
and even then they will be annoying to use
pliant topaz
then on mythic be dead weight again
alpine wraith
we will be playing first dance in m+ lmao
pliant topaz
and theyre too clueless to understand why subs doing hat it does
alpine wraith
only thing i need next tier is a spymasters
so i can burst with 100000 extra agi
and still be worse than dh or enha burst
sinful sluice
Damn why do i feel like new brew+DS BP build is not that good as well
sinful sluice
Like if i wanted to perform on this tank will have to big pull everytime on right cds
alpine wraith
not really
it does more dmg than trickster on 3 targets +
but i lowkey despise it so i play my build
just vibing
until they kill it
steel horizon
Well hopefully they're gonna fix the flurry bug soon
steel horizon
But not sure if thatll be enough to overtake DS
pliant topaz
pretty sure wont matter
once dust is dead tricksters gonna be in the gutter
shits like 10% behind
alpine wraith
they would need to buff flawless and fix the bug and more shit
steel horizon
Ugh
twilit phoenix
DS gaming soon?
alpine wraith
it is already
just gameplay is shit so if i will do shit dmg might as well play the build i want
twilit phoenix
Down horrendous I’m sorry bros
alpine wraith
you can get rolled by ret doing 3 buttons
twilit phoenix
you can get rolled by ret doing 3 buttons
wanton bronze
we 100% play trickster on court right
lilac stag
Finally figured it out. 😆
alpine wraith
that fire mage could have been a sub player
lilac stag
we 100% play trickster on court right
No. Assa kinda claps now as well
alpine wraith
sub will be fine 1 week more
tidal salmon
i wanna wake up into a
we couldnt fix shit about nimble so we buff evis %35 too patchnotes
when?
short radish
last boss AK is not that bad anymore if your group can pre-spread. the timer in the dungeon is so free so you just cop the downtime damaging the boss
unless you have a 5 melee party
then its glhf lmao
lilac stag
i wanna wake up into a
we couldnt fix shit about nimble so we buff evis %35 too ...
That ain’t gonna save it in a week
short radish
i used to super freak out at that boss as well tbh
but now it's kinda chill
last boss SoB though, i dunno what to do if i get the dot
and no cloak
lilac stag
Die
short radish
ecks deeee
lilac stag
getting sent down with affix in NW holy shit myself
alpine wraith
even with elu you have to use feint before you get the dot
so you also reduce the initial hit
kekw
short radish
same thing grim batol on the trash before last boss
no cloak, no vanish?
okay well guess i better save sprint for the run back
alpine wraith
yu can LoS before he begins the cast
if you didnt know
tank should put him in a place where he can be the only target
lilac stag
Yeah Los dragoon
short radish
nah dragon idc
faceless i didnt know you could los
can you los while channelling?
or do you ahve to pre los
alpine wraith
you have to be out before he begins the cast
short radish
please continue to reuse old dungeons
they're very well designed and up to date for the modern wow experience
alpine wraith
well they just fixed the boralus outrange too
short radish
ecks deeeeee
alpine wraith
so one step at a time
wanton bronze
so i want to prio DN procs, but i dont want to overcap CP if i only have 5 in dance/6 out of dance to use it, right?
or do i max cp and greed it when its up
shy scarab
what a fun mob
Its not that bad if you focus the big bois
short radish
at 6/7 in dance? guess you're wasting 2cp from a shdow strike
alpine wraith
unless you play ER RC you need to full cps
short radish
Its not that bad if you focus the big bois
instructions unclear, i'm pressing aoe doing ethical damage on the small mobs
wanton bronze
ok, the wording is weird
short radish
(actually ethical since they still hurt)
wanton bronze
ty
lilac stag
unless you play ER RC you need to full cps
ER kek
vale lagoon
last boss AK is not that bad anymore if your group can pre-spread. the timer in ...
guild's group is always 3~4 melee lmao
short radish
L
i think i did a 5 melee party once
that was absolutely terrifying
poison cleansing totem as well
vale lagoon
idk tho, just the tick itself
while u wait for the poison to pop
trucks
and it was only a 11
vale lagoon
LUL
tribal blade
honestly every season is like that
vale lagoon
did it take them this long to nerf ruby back in df lol
alpine wraith
it is what an infinite scaling does
even if you dont nuke at 12 you will at 13 etc
vale lagoon
true
although
is this a true infinite scaling? bcuz d3's "infinite" is actually just GR150 and 20k gons right
got this bad boy
wind canopy
Grats
alpine wraith
pog
vale pine
what happens if you farm wax during every officer meeting:
alpine wraith
that is a long officer meeting
vale pine
that is a long officer meeting
multiple
i also farmed while waiting for raid teleport, so 10-15 mins every raid
it just adds up, and i think there are other things to do with more efficiency
e.g. fishing or gathering professions
alpine wraith
most gold is farming scrap with the right talents+bag
vale pine
but i am engineer and enchanter
vale pine
oh, i should do that
raw ivy
wax is better than whetstone?
raw ivy
i thought it was block on 610 item ilvl
so you whetstone your MH and wax you OH?
just for mythic ? or in raid too
alpine wraith
wax works on and off idk what disables it
sometimes i can wax my 639
sometimes it says too high lvl
blizz is trolling me
raw ivy
^^
vale pine
lol
raw ivy
is it worth in raid too? or just in M+?
raw ivy
ok i missed this information
alpine wraith
right now as engi you have kind of a gold mine before people catch out
you craft bomb potions of power and cables
vale pine
and what about the "after the death was is not working anymore bug"
fixed
vale pine
that one was fixed a while ago
vale pine
you craft bomb potions of power and cables
is there a spezialisation to go for?
all i do with engineering atm is do my daily +2 skill
i invested in scrapping atm
but have some points left (20 or so)
alpine wraith
well the cables are easy you just need to get rank 2 from whatever skill you have then parts
for bombs it is kinda the same i use concentration on them
bombs have more skill available but you dont get to rank 3 anyway so it is whatever
vale pine
ah, so i should skill parts next
alpine wraith
yea parts has the op node at the end
that gives scrap crafting parts
so you do a super batch of parts then get scrap to craft cables
while getting multicrafts/resourcefulness on the whole chain
that is the min max but cables are so pricey right now because people are lazy to farm scrap
you can profit even with buying the mats
vale pine
that is the min max but cables are so pricey right now because people are lazy t...
well
alpine wraith
lul that is big money
vale pine
tho i need more points
20/40 in scrapper and i don't have enough artisan to buy the engineering +10 things
round latch
well
keep those,until u can scrap r3 devices
and gizmos
u can still make alot of gold from engineer but u need alot of KPs at this point
the faster u can guarantee bolts r3 from r2 bismuth and whirings and stuff the more u get
all comes down to mulitcraft
but u need high rolled/enchanted tool and accessories
keen dome
Curious how that goes. Pretty clever idea.
cloud rover
i'm gambling with mithril casings
For Big MOunt thingy parts?
keen dome
Do you need points in something to pull those out of salvaging?
tribal blade
For Big MOunt thingy parts?
yeah if you can get a permit it sells for ~800k
tribal blade
it's pretty big gambling and it's mostly breaking even or losing gold
but it's fun so i'm still doing it 😉
keen dome
It's the kind of gambling that I think is pretty neat.
cloud rover
it's pretty big gambling and it's mostly breaking even or losing gold
I mean
Have you tried
hitting it in the first 10 pilfers?
tribal blade
hitting it in the first 10 pilfers?
i got the 1st permit relatively quickly
which went a long way to reducing the cost of the mount
and then i think i've gotten like.. 2 more since then
tribal blade
you're absolutely right, you either get it or you don't
cloud rover
and most importantly @tribal blade Most Gambler just quit RIGHT BEFORE their big win
tribal blade
genius
tribal blade
and most importantly <@146180393941336064> Most Gambler just quit RIGHT BEFORE...
EXACTLY
keen dome
at least I have alot of bountiful bolts now
4000 bolts. Let's see if the gamble pays off (it won't)
tribal blade
goddamn haha
keen dome
I had a stack fo 5 bolts, and 4 stacks of 1000.
Which stack did the game try to pull from and fail every time?
the 5 stack.
vale pine
and most importantly <@146180393941336064> Most Gambler just quit RIGHT BEFORE...
oh, ye perfect way to look at it
100% not encouraging gamba
keen dome
It seems I am very stupid as bolts can't drop anything but bolts.
cloud rover
oh, ye perfect way to look at it
vale pine
It seems I am very stupid as bolts can't drop anything but bolts.
i was tempted to make a "bolt of you ..." joke (i know its spelled bold, its part of the joke)
keen dome
You should
vale pine
too late now
keen dome
Alas. A wasted jokeatunity.
Did 1000 thorium widgets and broke even pretty comfortably already.
cloud rover
i was tempted to make a "bolt of you ..." joke (i know its spelled bold, its par...
Dont let your Memes be dreams
GO for it champ
magic ruin
According to Fuu's trinket sheet Transmitter/Mandate is WAY ahead of Transmitter/Void reapers. When i sim, the Transmitter/Void reaper is actually slightly ahead. Is it because I already have too much crit? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6JK36JYAmBorJs4mWekUHu
My wrist and neck have crit because I got no other options atm
sly shore
why is your 636 weapon in off hand
magic ruin
Wrong equipped when simming. I do have Blood-kissed-kukri 639 in my bag xd
But the sim results for trinket are the same I remember
topaz raptor
do you still need a custom apl
for this
the answer to any question is almost never your stat distribution
sly shore
topaz raptor
yeah it looks fine
i like the arcane torrent
is that really a dps increase
what does it even do
lilac stag
According to Fuu's trinket sheet Transmitter/Mandate is WAY ahead of Transmitter...
They’re close. Fuu’s mandate hack had it going off gcd, which it cannot.
It’s still really good
sly shore
mandate is just gonna outperform more often imo anyway
simply because it can deal damage where you need it
cloud rover
what does it even do
15 energy
magic ruin
Is it annoying using mandate trying to squeeze 2 in between CDs/transmitter? If I slightly delay my mandate I can see myself popping cds and my macro not activating transmitter
topaz raptor
mandate is 2 mnutes
magic ruin
ahh I was thinking of another trinket and mixed their cooldown, mb
sly shore
cd's are 1.5m mandate is 2m, should only line up at 6m
and then you just hold for 6.5m
sly shore
yuh, exactly
sly shore
they are very close
vale pine
if we had a apl update for that to be fixed
sly shore
mandate will win later
and being able to have mandate for damage amps
I used it on an 11SV
on the rock boss thing
and it did like 45M
sly shore
if it crits
lapis plinth
how is sub looking going into the .5 patch?
wicked joltBOT
The power level of the spec stays about the same but the changes are generally a downgrade.
Things that get worse in the patch:
- Talent diversity
- Defensives
- Gameplay
This does not meant he patch is bad, just that it isn't a great update to Subtlety.
lapis plinth
hopefully there's bugfixes too with the patch
haughty mural
hopefully there's bugfixes too with the patch
lapis plinth
I know
hazy breach
The only fixes on the ptr is coup extra cdr working
So unless they cook up some fixes last second probably not
sly shore
eleem
I notice sometimes
if I have like 3s of sectech cd remaining
and finish
it still remains 3s
and doesn't come off cd
sly shore
will DM cos video is unlisted
lilac stag
Did you see it again without WA?
sly shore
The button just doesn't do anything
Cos you can get shadowcraft refund > can't press button
it's basically when sectech is on very low cd, maybe 2s or less, may even be 1s or less
tepid trellis
it's basically when sectech is on very low cd, maybe 2s or less, may even be 1s ...
happens quite often ngl
lilac stag
Interesting.
I think I usually just figured it was lag
What’s another bug or two? 💀
near rivet
it's basically when sectech is on very low cd, maybe 2s or less, may even be 1s ...
ive alwaya had this issue, like since BFA
when there is very little cd left, the cdr doesnt work
just like you described
i think it were the same thing for dance when you played single dance
golden totem
Could it be some weakaura not displaying the correct cd?
near rivet
nah
tepid trellis
the spell just doesent go off cd
vale pine
Should add bugs not being addressed in the dot5
maybe
i think it is a very good high level summary
then more i add then less people read it
its my general rule for bot commands
make them as short as possible
sly shore
It is quite funny seeing class bug fixes
literally weekly
and rogues just not getting fixed
like the DS marks not consuming marks whilst darkest night is active
is a tilter
hazy breach
It is quite funny seeing class bug fixes
Took them 3 days to fix a bug causing ignite to do 30% less damage than intended
vestal escarp
Imagine... Must be nice
keen dome
They'll aura buff us. And then, fix us. And for five blessed minutes, we'll do more damage than anything else in the game.
And then they'll nerf us.
vestal escarp
Aura buff is not warranted, spec is godlike in hc raid
Warlock is not joking either
Omnipresent in bugfix notes
vestal escarp
Short kill timer and compression of cds with dust
tribal blade
Nimble doing 25% less than intended has been a thing since launch
bah tis barely a scratch
oh wait nevermind, this is actually a gushing wound and i'm bleeding out
sweet summit
watching mages get fixes makes me want to switch to outlaw irl so i can pistol shot myself between the eyes
tribal blade
it's a mage's world and we just live in it
alpine wraith
not really
sweet summit
what if i told you mages are literally the magic caster version of rogue
blasphemy
tribal blade
that's why RMP is a thing
keen dome
that's not true we don't get a comedy ice wall
tribal blade
and that's why the 2s team of rogue and mage is so good
tribal blade
haha yeah evis is super neutered in pvp
alpine wraith
hmm
tribal blade
and our mast
wraith sphinx
ay atleast in that dead game mode (pvp) we can kinda shit on them right
Mage has been a rogue counter since the dawn of time
alpine wraith
not always we had some funny times
alpine wraith
with cloak and dagger and burst of speed
sweet summit
so i'm smiling while crying
are u kissing a gun too
vestal escarp
How did you get invites
tribal blade
i finally got invited to a 12 siege
carried the dps
and then got invited to 2 more
vestal escarp
sweet summit
based god
vestal escarp
Yeah im seething
tribal blade
back to back to back after 3 days of no invites
sweet summit
its about the pilot not the plane
tribal blade
this mage who's key it was
sweet summit
( were flying a boeing tho )
tribal blade
is 3840
sweet summit
what the fuck
tribal blade
he had 100 points of IO on me at the time of this key
mage privilege
they're actually brain dead
he was perma dead half the dungeon
alpine wraith
mages trying to choose what of their 6 defensives to use
sweet summit
i can never play caster its so disgusting
tribal blade
it was so funny because i have a death addon that plays the sound "fatality!" from worms whenever someone dies
alpine wraith
confused
tribal blade
and i heard it a lot
i'm not exactly doing top tier dps
but holy shit some of these people
sweet summit
that shit look nice 2 me
tribal blade
it's not that great, a lot of good sins are breaking 2 mil in each key
although routing might play a factor too
sweet summit
yea i think so
tribal blade
and the fact that everything took so long to die as well
since the mage was just afk for most of the trash
sweet summit
fuck if they dont pull decent on assass im just lowkey annoyed all dungeon
need dopamine when i hit CT and it covers like 10 mobs
vale pine
this mage who's key it was
nice trick, changing the spec icons in your wow files
tribal blade
nice trick, changing the spec icons in your wow files
i wish fuu /cry
i gave up trying to make sub work, my ele isn't here to help me run keys
he's on vacation in europe atm
sweet summit
idk how casual does it
tribal blade
so i figure i might as well gain IO as sin and see what happens with sub on the anniversary event
sweet summit
that dudes the goat
strong mulch
Am i understanding it correctly that during shadow blades you should hammer vanishes (for cdr) during shadow dance to slap as much burst into the flag/blades window as possible? or how are vanishes used best?
I read the wowhead guide but im a bit confused to the overall cooldown management still
tribal blade
<:clueless:1099922541923024997>
tell me we catch up to sin with the changes
give me hope
hazy breach
Am i understanding it correctly that during shadow blades you should hammer vani...
One vanish per cooldown set, but theyre removing dust, aka the thing that makes vanish good in a week
sweet summit
we dont give u hope cuz when ur dissapoitnted u will go outlaw irl
hazy breach
So you can also just not bother learning it
strong mulch
One vanish per cooldown set, but theyre removing dust, aka the thing that makes ...
oh.
thatll simplify things a lot
tribal blade
yeah dust will be permanently gone
so all the time you spend learning it now is pointless
strong mulch
rip lmao see u guys in a week then
hazy breach
thatll simplify things a lot
Not particularly, but ye the vanish thing is easier as you just dont press it much
alpine wraith
yea the 22/23
alpine wraith
the day ER and sepsis die together as lovers
tribal blade
they simplified sub by removing dust and then reintroduced a whole new set of problems
A+
vale pine
they simplified sub by removing dust and then reintroduced a whole new set of pr...
we now have dust 2.0
sweet summit
fuck ER but sepsis conceptually is fine w me
haughty mural
vale pine
👍
alpine wraith
yea you run out of SoD
tribal blade
wHAT
vale pine
basically
vale pine
we spec 2x symbols
alpine wraith
3
vale pine
to generate enough extra dance charges
haughty mural
alpine wraith
so basically you go 2 symbols then none then 1 then 2
sweet summit
HAHAHAHAHA i will go outlaw irl
vale pine
sooo
tribal blade
holy jesus
vale pine
you spec into 2 extra symbols charges
haughty mural
what a timeline
pastel rampart
why do they hate us so much though
pastel rampart
did we do something wrong
vale pine
to make the spec work
up till 1 min 30 in the fight
you run out of symbols charges to do so
strong mulch
One vanish per cooldown set, but theyre removing dust, aka the thing that makes ...
So currently w/ cb+shadowdust it would be casting flag, rupture, then shadowblades, dance, and symbols together, secret technique, vanish, and then just smash eviscerates? Do we use 2nd dance charge right after subterfuge fades or do we save it for next cd window?
hazy breach
"But what if i get mechanics and cant keep spamming backstab for cdr?"
Ye good question, then you get fucked, just like now
Enjoy
alpine wraith
now you also get to skip even more cds
pastel rampart
dw guys 11.1 dw dw it'll be fine
sweet summit
sub stocks in literally only heroic raid 📈
tribal blade
sweet summit
just any time i log onto my sub rogue tho
hazy breach
Tbf its possible theres more things to find in simc, things we havent thought about etc
vale pine
normal has ideal timers
vale pine
1 min 30 or below
pastel rampart
Tbf its possible theres more things to find in simc, things we havent thought ab...
make more dance charges appear pls magic tc
alpine wraith
you can add the supercharger bugs
void hound
alpine wraith
but idk if they will fix them
maybe they will because it helps assa and outlaw too
hazy breach
Which one are you referring to
vale pine
Tbf its possible theres more things to find in simc, things we havent thought ab...
absolutely
alpine wraith
pre pull and also the use after sec tech and it works on it
vale pine
pre pull is rly minor
hazy breach
vale pine
its only 2 cp
alpine wraith
the second one is weird and does nto work always
short radish
it was so funny because i have a death addon that plays the sound "fatality!" fr...
i need this, can you please share it
sweet summit
mashallah bugs that affect both us and assass will be fixed 🙏
alpine wraith
but you do it for tier anyway
vale pine
Not that one again
cold blood flashbacks
alpine wraith
also prepull is giga
vale pine
lets cook
hazy breach
cold blood flashbacks
Its also tier set
vale pine
guess we secret firtst gcd in dance
tribal blade
i need this, can you please share it
1 sec
vale pine
then symbols before the next attack
hazy breach
Prepull thing is probably more value to just send a low cp rupure ngl
But ye idk how to do the prepull thing in simc fuu
vale pine
yes
hazy breach
Without it putting symbols on cd
vale pine
i mentioned it the other day
alpine wraith
i was playing with premed
so i had a full strike flag rupture vanish strike dance sec tech
tribal blade
i need this, can you please share it
vale pine
But ye idk how to do the prepull thing in simc fuu
i can try later, need to first test the secrte cdr bug
alpine wraith
rotten also works pre pull so i was already trying it kinda
vale pine
kieron talked about
alpine wraith
ah yea if sec tech has like 3-2 secs it does not get cdr he said
short radish
i miss worms
alpine wraith
never really super noticed
short radish
i miss the old days of lan worms*
tribal blade
worms is one of the best games ever made
short radish
grouped around on the same computer
vale pine
can't you
short radish
but its not the same man
vale pine
like you can with interrupts
short radish
you can
tribal blade
not the same without windows 95
short radish
misc -> deaths or something
oh wait
to chat
thought you meant details for some stupid reason
brains not working
vale pine
isn't that what the linked thing does?
tribal blade
this addon is super lightweight anyways
vale pine
fair
tribal blade
it's also great to not need to look at your raid/party frames when someone dies
gilded ferry
quick question
gilded ferry
did you write anything already for how the rotation will be fuu?
vale pine
it's also great to not need to look at your raid/party frames when someone dies
must sound funny on a whipe
alpine wraith
it is still quite used
lilac stag
make them as short as possible
I agree, but I think we've reached a point where one sentence for bugs not being addressed since beta is important. maybe just me
hazy breach
did you write anything already for how the rotation will be fuu?
Its gonna be mostly the same
tribal blade
must sound funny on a whipe
haha it does! it'll play back to back as multiple people die
hazy breach
Just no big vanish resets
short radish
vale pine
did you write anything already for how the rotation will be fuu?
we still try to iterate on it in simc
so unclear
short radish
really? no new cursed tech?
alpine wraith
yea you just send the natty vanish if you have premed on pull to get going faster
alpine wraith
but if they fix the charger bug idk
vale pine
you use it in the opener atm
sweet summit
hahahaha
alpine wraith
not really premed has some value
vale pine
so strike-evis-vanish-strike.rpture
lilac stag
whats the dps gain of vanish in opener vs not?
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> did you see this earlier?
OH SHIT TY TY
i didn't, thank you so much
short radish
yeah but i'll give it another week to decide that i hate it
alpine wraith
depens if you have premed or not
lilac stag
i didn't, thank you so much
@wind canopy posted it yesterday
alpine wraith
it is not much tbh as you dont really do much until cds
but the other way is backstabbing 2 or 3 times
tribal blade
<@169296144197746689> posted it yesterday
awesome
alpine wraith
you dont want to be there
vale pine
whats the dps gain of vanish in opener vs not?
not sure
but keep in mind
you don't have subterfuge
soo
lilac stag
ye
lilac stag
tru pvp spec
alpine wraith
well if you are DS you get to use storm
vale pine
supercharger can actually change it
short radish
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
when i said i wanted to play 10.1 sub rogue again
i did not mean it like this
short radish
where i press backstab for noodle damage
vale pine
i wrote about it the other day
alpine wraith
yea im not getting snd until i evis in dance but i think worth
young path
Spend them combo pts ASAP, get 3.5 sec towards dance CDR
alpine wraith
charger is +3
hazy breach
Cursed opener idea with premed & supercharger prepull:
Strike > Rupture > backstab > snd > vanish+strike > flag > go
Yes i know evis gives you snd
vale pine
i mean
lilac stag
coming into .5 changes not helping depression lol
vale pine
its funny
hazy breach
or is it only damaging ones
Only damaging ones
alpine wraith
that was why i was not using it
alpine wraith
oh nice
alpine wraith
kek trueee
short radish
hazy breach
Thats why snd instead of evis, to keep it
alpine wraith
yea that is a good one im keeping that one
short radish
does this mean i cant unbind snd?
gilded ferry
im sure
short radish
for fucks sake
gilded ferry
alpine wraith
yea strike rupture storm snd vanish strike flag dance sec tech
vale pine
does this mean i cant unbind snd?
50% chance
alpine wraith
finally witness SPENT ON PULL
the value
if they fix this one im cracking up
at least it is not like rotten that only lasts 30 secs
alpine wraith
pull 20 back in town
lilac stag
footage of sub being dev
alpine wraith
nah it is a team remember
hazy breach
finally witness SPENT ON PULL
Not sure if we backstab or storm with rotten up though
Probably backstab?
Since rotten doesnt work on witnesses
sweet summit
alpine wraith
idk it is weird as f witness does hit decently hard
pastel rampart
"dw there are more changes coming" folks when patch is 7 days away
alpine wraith
stab crit can wm tho
so there is the hidden chance of extra dam
imagine our highroll on pull is to wm crit backstab pog
lilac stag
just remember team, when we're feeling down, it can still get worse. end of the day I appreciate you all.
alpine wraith
i just want someone to come into the team and say
sweet summit
donot go outlaw irl brother... it WILL get better
alpine wraith
why the F do we make things harder
shadowed finisher gone
evis +50% dmg
sec tech? now 1 big `phys hit
suddenly 10 bugs go away
vale pine
"dw there are more changes coming" folks when patch is 7 days away
i think its more
lilac stag
becuase spec flavor, yet we have no visauls for the flavor and just bugs
vale pine
people just accapted the fact that they won't play sub for the patch
and assume 11.1 will change it
sweet summit
becuase spec flavor, yet we have no visauls for the flavor and just bugs
boy if only there was a spell of someone leaping from the shadows multiple times in rapid succession
ohhh........
alpine wraith
well we still have to make new guides so kekw
lilac stag
i assume it wont get touched til 2 weeks before 12.0 beta is RC
alpine wraith
we will feel the pain
dont worry new tier set will be like S3 DF
but this time instead of 24%
it will be 42%
to get on par with others
THEY HAVE DAMEGE NOW THEY CANT COMPLAIN
and it will be all on rupture
or snd
because fuck you
sinful sluice
Am i understanding AoE cycle correctly?
Stealth - SS (mark) - Storm - Rupture - Storm - Rupture - Flagilation(transmitter) - Tornado - Dance Symbol Blades - BP BP BP - Storm - BP - Storm - BP...
for DS build
patent crystal
they will bring back feint doing dmg somehow
sinful sluice
at all?
alpine wraith
that would make sense
vale pine
there we go:
lilac stag
they will bring back feint doing dmg somehow
that would be considered an improvement at this point
vale pine
fuu's 5 stages of grief
lilac stag
i love your 11.1 optimism
hazy breach
Am i understanding AoE cycle correctly?
Stealth - SS (mark) - Storm - Rupture -...
Yes, but the amount of ruptures you put out depends on A. How long the targets will live (ie if theyll live through your entire flag) and B. How many targets there are
vale pine
!rupture
wicked joltBOT
When to apply rupture:
Rupture is used on enemies that survive for ~12 seconds but not during Shadow Dance. You always apply Rupture to all targets that fulfill this condition if you optimize for dps. Replicating shadows spreads Rupture to the closest target to your character and makes correct positioning relevant.
vale pine
still works
hazy breach
You want to rupture almost everything before you send cds IF they will live through flag
lilac stag
vs just throw them out as assa and not give a fuck
vale pine
sinful sluice
i tend to use ruptures on main mobs
pastel rampart
there we go:
this but 10.2 10.2.5 11.0 11.05 and 11.1
sinful sluice
not the little ones that just dies fast
vale pine
this but 10.2 10.2.5 11.0 11.05 and 11.1
think 10.2 had a lot of good changes too
vale pine
but evry patcha fter would be more negative
lilac stag
iconic spell
tribal blade
good luck trying to guess how much damage the other 2 pug dps are gonna do in the 1st pull
alpine wraith
we skippo
gilded ferry
since we are all respec to sin next week
vale pine
thats a very bigger picture pov eleem
alpine wraith
dont worry in 1 month we get to know new raid
gilded ferry
does ds mark still only works for one rogue per raid group?
tribal blade
since we are all respec to sin next week
haha next week, i think most people have already respecced
alpine wraith
works for more than 1 now
sweet summit
dont worry in 1 month we get to know new raid
isnt it brd
alpine wraith
no after anniversary we get to know 2nd raid
sweet summit
oh u mean new new ?
vale pine
haha next week, i think most people have already respecced
they tried to fix subs popularity just recently
why we saw the buffs to BP
gilded ferry
that was fixed
at least my spot is secure i guess
alpine wraith
and we can know our wonderful tier set
alpine wraith
yes that one is because how it works
tribal blade
they tried to fix subs popularity just recently
i wonder if we see an aura buff
seems warranted
short radish
wait i thought replicating is smart now
vale pine
i wonder if we see an aura buff
i don't know
alpine wraith
i want some assa copium
short radish
and doesnt apply to targets already with rupture
tribal blade
if they want to be lazy i'll take an aura buff
vale pine
because they don't fix any gameplay
tribal blade
over nothing at all
sinful sluice
is there 0% chance that this will be cancelled
tribal blade
but yeah it doesn't fix sub's weaknesses
sinful sluice
shadowdust is so fun to play rn
vale pine
"it still plays like shit"
short radish
well they could forget to push the changes for some reason
thats the 0.1% chance
acutally probably 0.2%
since theyve basically forgotten about sub rogue anyway
sweet summit
wait sepsis is kill ?
vale pine
yes
hazy breach
Sepsis, dust and ER is removed yep
half galleon
vale pine
they added superchacger instead of ER
sweet summit
i think sepsis is kinda cool
vale pine
sepsis is nice
sinful sluice
what do we get for reward?
vale pine
on assassiantion
lilac stag
shoulda took flag out with it as well
vale pine
works extremly well fantasy wise
sweet summit
what do we get for reward?
dont tell him guys
lilac stag
what do we get for reward?
short radish
what do we get for reward?
shadow blades is now 1.5min cooldown 🙂
it is sync'd with flag
sweet summit
what do we get for reward?
lilac stag
sectech cdr more fucked
tribal blade
they truly didn't bother to think about how it impacts the spec
lilac stag
all you damn dust haters
sinful sluice
should i just go start practicing outlaw or smt
alpine wraith
dont worry if you dont have a shaman now
you dont get 2 sec techs on cds
unlucky
sweet summit
should i just go start practicing outlaw or smt
dont be a weirdo just go asssass
lilac stag
alpine wraith
go next
lilac stag
Dust holding the spec together.
lilac stag
Get comfy with it
sweet summit
ive played very small amount of outlaw
sinful sluice
damn what do i even do with my varsitality setup hahaha
sweet summit
they have some funny ass bugs too
tribal blade
sin is kind of fun
sinful sluice
i have like 1% crit on my setup
lilac stag
outlaw maybe ok with changes
sinful sluice
💀
tribal blade
it feels good that you know every button you press as sin has high impact
sweet summit
sin is the only real rogue spec tbh
tribal blade
and adds layered damage on top of each other
sweet summit
happens kappapenis
lilac stag
Assa downtime feels like downtime. Buttons tend to feel impactful
sweet summit
assass is cool
tribal blade
the talent tree for sin is very well designed too
sweet summit
cuz u blow yr load and then chill play
tribal blade
every talent is useful in some way
sweet summit
the talent tree for sin is very well designed too
TRUEEEEEE
tribal blade
there are no dead nodes
sinful sluice
Good thing about assa is that you kinda have some time to move around after applying poison/bleeds
If you get patterned btw ur cds as sub then its 💀
lilac stag
@hazy breach or @vale pine are there any changes done on apl for assa yet? Was curious what if anything changed
tribal blade
you can see how much thought they put into sin
hazy breach
<@212854714197344256> or <@194804407706189824> are there any changes done on apl...
Dont think whispyr found anything
sweet summit
my fav part of assass is u r never going into downtime in aoe
hazy breach
Dont think anything really changes, new talents seem about as good as the old ones for assa
sinful sluice
assa does whole lot more dmg in cleave but
lilac stag
cool
sweet summit
whats the evenom one
alpine wraith
twist the knife got cahnged
short radish
double envenom
tribal blade
twist the knife stacks up to 2 additional times iirc
sinful sluice
i just dont like the fact that the ability that leaves mark is ambush
sweet summit
i like to press the funny envenom button with cold blood
sinful sluice
its kinda stupid
sweet summit
i just dont like the fact that the ability that leaves mark is ambush
so real
vale pine
<@212854714197344256> or <@194804407706189824> are there any changes done on apl...
whispyr tried some things, but give it some days
the biggst change is
ma got a massive buff
and subterfuge might be cool in m+
lilac stag
MA into Madqueen. Kek
tribal blade
subterfuge and w/o a trace might unironically be very good in M+
hazy breach
Supercharger seems good too
So probably not, but its def way better than it is currently
short radish
assi just sounding even more fun to play
sinful sluice
😦
sweet summit
press the funny envenom button it gives dopamine
sinful sluice
is assa easy to learn
sweet summit
is assa easy to learn
very
alpine wraith
yea
vale pine
is assa easy to learn
yes
hazy breach
Envenom does slightly more damage than eviscerate on average 
hazy breach
(thats mostly due to our out of dances doing nothing, but still, envenom hits hard)
sinful sluice
my concern is that i already seem to have way to much versatility setup on my gears
isnt it shit on assa
short radish
it feels really fucking shit when i realised that coup doesn't even hit hard enough to want to force a coldblood with it
half galleon
assa doesnt really have a bad stat you can just pick best gear
short radish
assi doesnt care abou tstats
half galleon
assa loot goblin
short radish
it wants crit
but like its not end of the world without crit
probably a bit shittier in aoe with 0 crit though
lilac stag
my concern is that i already seem to have way to much versatility setup on my ge...
Assa is ilvl
short radish
but you have base % so... its fine?
sinful sluice
ive got 25% crit 4% haste 49% mastery 19% vers
lilac stag
versa good for staying alive
lilac stag
ive got 25% crit 4% haste 49% mastery 19% vers
@heady dragon there is another!
sinful sluice
ok i should learn assa i guess
glacial crystal
Any preliminary talent builds for aftwr update?
half galleon
ive got 25% crit 4% haste 49% mastery 19% vers
look at them big ass boots
short radish
Any preliminary talent builds for aftwr update?
im sure there are some good assi builds whispyr has made up
glacial crystal
Im asking boit sub
sweet summit
just remember that whispyr died for our sins and used only one charge of vanish to escpae the tomb a week later
heady dragon
<@346293680883236864> there is another!
who pinged me
lilac stag
Go up a message
hazy breach
Im asking boit sub
He knew you were asking about sub, thats the joke
heady dragon
my chinese is a bit rusty, sorry
glacial crystal
Ahah is this the dooming discord?
alpine wraith
not dooming just yapping
sweet summit
Ahah is this the dooming discord?
lilac stag
my chinese is a bit rusty, sorry
Vulpera ya goof
hazy breach
But something like this is what seems the best
short radish
Ahah is this the dooming discord?
you can come into this channel at almost any given time and it's either dooming/discussing how bad sub feels/somehting about bugs
hazy breach
Keep spamming backstab and get enough cdr to fit 2 dances during blades
short radish
like how the fuck are we supposed to discuss a rotation
when theres 3 people who still play this spec
hazy breach
Send sectech as your first global in blades and youll have it up right in time before the second dance fades (assuming you fit all the globals and didnt have to do any mechanics, because then youre screwed)
alpine wraith
well well we are actually dozens
hazy breach
Oh its also deathstalker
sweet summit
all 6 of us are pretty sad about the state of sub
hazy breach
Because trickster is never playable as of .5
alpine wraith
yea trickster got the old goofd
short radish
all 6 of us are pretty sad about the state of sub
??? you're already a red name
glacial crystal
But something like this is what seems the best
What about m+?
short radish
at least i'm still bleeding blue
hazy breach
What about m+?
Same
alpine wraith
yea db and finality jsut not strong enough
tepid trellis
surely they'll fix the nimble flurry bug of minus damage right?
sorry best i can do is another 15% buff to bp and ignoring the bugs