assassination

[grizzled jay]

No

Oh that yeah

[slow marsh]

seal fate?

[bleak sky]

looks pretty good to me

[grizzled jay]

There's another too

[winter hill]

deadly precision

[slow marsh]

Lethality + seal fate is a given

[grizzled jay]

Ye

Mutou gots me

[slow marsh]

Dance would have to be super busted with the exsang stuff to pass that imo

[bleak sky]

precision is 5/10 crit chance for builders yeah

[spice spire]

The @subtle tundra tech is to never run seal fate

Never fok in m+

[grizzled jay]

Yeah pretty whatever

[spice spire]

Just be a gamer

[bleak sky]

but you kinda have to take it I think to enable the tree

[grizzled jay]

Especially if Blindside ends up being dead

2pt for 10% mut crit chance not good feel

Required for tree so meh

[subtle tundra]

glad you understand me

[bleak sky]

yeah you unfort need to take it

[slow marsh]

10% crit for your main generator that also generates more depending on if you crit feels not good?

[grizzled jay]

Yes

[slow marsh]

weird

I mean I guess alac didn't feel good either so kinda understandable

[grizzled jay]

When most your damage profile is dots and melee stuff that has no impact on them feels bad

[slow marsh]

yeah so like dots

that you need combo points to apply

?

[grizzled jay]

Only 1 lol

Garrote DP IP etc. don't

2 I guess when running CT

Suppose it's better in AoE with fok

[slow marsh]

Dang I didn't realize this new talent stuff would make sin want even less cp generation than it already has

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

these two being pretty much required to play zold is sad to me

[spice spire]

HUH

[grizzled jay]

Zold sucks so thank goodness

VR is p good tho

[lucid birch]

[slow marsh]

wut

[bleak sky]

there's no need to take ttb though

can stop at zold

[lucid birch]

Zold for 3 points is just way too pricey isn’t it

[slow marsh]

Yeah I guess I just mean that TTB being the last talent in that row is sad

[winter hill]

shouldn't zoldyck be pretty good with dragon tempered blades?

[grizzled jay]

3pt Zold is cringe

1pt Zold would be good

[bleak sky]

the real issue with zold is not being able to take dragon + venomous wounds

[slow marsh]

ye

[grizzled jay]

No because you want Doomblade for another Lethal Dose stack

And VW / stealth poison

[winter hill]

oh yeah

[bleak sky]

like sure you could run something like this

but looks cursed

[slow marsh]

yeah not taking scent seems troll

[cursive summit]

Exsang 🚫

[bleak sky]

idk I'm a little skeptical on scent

[winter hill]

no elaborate either on that tree mina

[slow marsh]

no atrophic minalbatroll

[bleak sky]

need to cut points somewhere to get dragon AND zold AND vw

[storm onyx]

thats an old talent from early Assasination tree; was put in to negate mutilate not criting and we not getting Cps

[bleak sky]

which is why it looks cursed

[winter hill]

yeye

[storm onyx]

Its from Sunwell era

[bleak sky]

damn that's old

like actually old

[slow marsh]

yeah lethality is from vanilla so

[winter hill]

is scent still good on st? i didn't play during bfa when it was out

[slow marsh]

it would depend on the %

[storm onyx]

Deadly Presition is to smooth CP generation with SeaFate; it was very powerful back then

Basicly its a mini MA always with you

[grizzled jay]

Lethal Dose isnt making it to live tho so who knows

[winter hill]

why's that?

[grizzled jay]

We can get it to +16% rn doubled during Deathmark

[shadow tulip]

How can I find out how many CPs I used in a M+? Details, log?

[hollow river]

No EP?

[lucid birch]

Yeah log dungeons from start, character, resources, cp

[winter hill]

yeah exactly, would feel great

[bleak sky]

[hollow river]

[grizzled jay]

Well the issue is if it's that strong it makes the DTB build way too good. So ye it will get changed in some fashion. Maybe just 0.5/1%.

[winter hill]

yeah probably

[slow marsh]

Ok this what I have rate me @bleak sky

[grizzled jay]

And esp in PvP if you can pop Deathmark and be doing 32% more dam that's a balance nightmare lol.

[storm onyx]

Historically any talent affecting CP/Energy economy has been quite powerful. Dont cuss Deadly Precision early.

[grizzled jay]

Drop Elaborate Planning for Maim, Mangle and VR

[bleak sky]

I dont think that's connecting node you want from deathmark to poison bomb

[grizzled jay]

Amp is bad atm

[slow marsh]

Ye I'm not a fan of amp

unless you're gonna go envenom spam

[bleak sky]

I mean both kinda suck

[slow marsh]

but i dont think that's possible

[hollow river]

Not really. There are even stronger cool downs right now

[grizzled jay]

Like what

[bleak sky]

resonating arrow double tap (?)

I think that's the one hunters use to fucky fucky you

[hollow river]

Sepsis vendetta 4p, ret paladin, demo lock, etcetc

[storm onyx]

Very high haste build with poison focus maybe

[grizzled jay]

Deathmark doubles all your dots and adds 16% damage done

Thats more than vend 4pc

[hollow river]

It doesn’t double sepsis tick rate though

Only gar and rup and DP

So nowhere near as bad

[bleak sky]

idk if I'm sold on EP

[slow marsh]

me either

but what else do you take

esp nerfed EP

seems not good

[winter hill]

i guess you can take 2 points of zoldyck instant of EP?

[slow marsh]

can't

[winter hill]

like this

[slow marsh]

no atrophic

[bleak sky]

this is what I want to run

this is the first thing I'm playing I think

[grizzled jay]

Yall sleeping on maim, mangle in conjunction with vicious venoms

[hollow river]

No one needs atrophic

We’re here to do damages

[winter hill]

big true

[uncut dragon]

hard to do damage if the tank is dead

[slow marsh]

kek rogues cry for utility for years, finally gets it, doesn't talent it

[grizzled jay]

I'm a simp rogue

[hollow river]

Atrophic might be moving to class tree anyway

So

[cursive summit]

if you take off doomblade and exsang, and get bottom 2 below vw thats the build I want

but i'm an m+ pleb

[slow marsh]

is this with NS/dance i'm assuming?

[burnt latch]

this is the benched rogue talent build

[bleak sky]

yessir

[bleak sky]

yeah carnage for M+ for sure, but not taking it for single target

[slow marsh]

I still think that twist the knife is better unless you do like a cold blood build or something idk

[grizzled jay]

Both feel w/e

[bleak sky]

you're taking cb anyway

[slow marsh]

o

[winter hill]

KEK coz of no atrophy?

[storm onyx]

Are they shortening base envenom duration btw?

[slow marsh]

idk

i just got here today

[burnt latch]

'

[slow marsh]

but longer envenom seems better than a 30% bigger envenom every however many seconds

[storm onyx]

yea

[slow marsh]

esp with dashing and tempered blades

[hollow river]

Couldn’t you cold blood an empowered garrote or something

[storm onyx]

Tho we are disregarding PvP side of things alot here

[slow marsh]

ehh fuck pvp imo

[bleak sky]

if garrote it probably works on the initial damage and not on the dot

unsure if it would work on rupture ticks

[slow marsh]

cold blood should work on garrote

[storm onyx]

shouldnt forget many things we wont pick in pve will matter in pvp

[slow marsh]

and rup ticks

[uncut dragon]

Does the damage reduction just count direct boss damage or do you think it will affect him dropping the ceiling on you too.

[slow marsh]

cold blood should snapshot to whatever you use next like current NS does

[bleak sky]

if it's environmental damage it wouldn't work

[storm onyx]

ColdBlood had always been a DD linked talent; I am surprised to see if it will affect dots ever

[hollow river]

It’s on the sin side of the tree

If it doesn’t work on dots it should gtfo

[storm onyx]

Cold Blood 'was' an Assasination talent originally

Before it got Hijaked

[slow marsh]

yeah but that was when assassination did burst with envenom

like what they seem to trying to be doing with amp poison

consuming stacks and stuff

man

i been out of here for solid months

and you guys got me back on it already

[hollow river]

Where you been homie

[slow marsh]

happily unsubbed lol

[hollow river]

I’ve been taking a break as well (from the game)

[slow marsh]

playing a lot of basketball and hanging with friends n such

playing mtg

[hollow river]

😎

[winter hill]

you can take a break as long as you want. almost everyone returns sooner or later xD

[slow marsh]

all the stuff that wow took time away from

[winter hill]

ye same here iceblades. tons of edh recently

[slow marsh]

ye same

[violet jackal]

Modern the only real format everything else is fake news

[slow marsh]

false, proven by the new modern set is actually edh set in disguise

[subtle tundra]

wait why is seal fate a talent for all rogues, wouldnt that be kinda broken for outlaw?

[pastel onyx]

[gusty mirage]

overcap city

[subtle tundra]

idk feels weird to take such a big thing of assa identity

and make it available for all

same for shadow dance tbh

[gusty mirage]

agreed

[subtle tundra]

like, yea, ok, makes more possibilities

but it homogenizes the specs

if thats the correct word

idk english

[gusty mirage]

ye thats the right word

it kind of strips a bit of the identity of each spec

by putting seal fate & dance in the general tree

[thorny pond]

New design philosophy isn't a bad thing. We've had similar spec identities for a while now, modern WoW (Legion -> Current) is 6 years old of similar class building

New talent trees are literally half of WoW's life (MoP to current)

[toxic locust]

it's the same idea as a "hybrid" spec using the wotlk trees or whatever

[ebon notch]

wtf

[toxic locust]

viability issues in wotlk aside, that's the vibe they were going for

[ebon notch]

omega brain

[thorny pond]

A little bit of old trees, meet new yea.

[toxic locust]

like if you drop all your class points into the sub side you get FW and dance
sub gets to apply FW even without the talent and has a vastly improved dance, but other specs can get them

closest thing to spec hybrids we're getting

[thorny pond]

Hopefully it encourages more creative gameplay than just "this tree for this, this tree for that" and opens up possibilities for flexing based on what your group needs or what content you do

[subtle tundra]

its also cringe af, to get cheat death why do i have to go down the sub tree so much

idk i just dont like the general tree at all

[thorny pond]

It used to be a deep sub talent

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/talent-calc/rogue

[toxic locust]

because it's historically been a sub talent and you get defensive bonuses no matter what tree you go down

[fiery mauve]

Mfw free defensive is cringe

[subtle tundra]

cheat death has been used 99% of the time

[thorny pond]

just skip defensives and take all offensives. If you die, it's the healer's fault /s

[subtle tundra]

and the only way to get cheat death as assa is to go down a bad tree

[ebon notch]

yeah kind of a baked take

[thorny pond]

Sin will have iirc, a bit of other defensives and big raid defensive only talent

[subtle tundra]

there is no better defensive in the game

than cheat death

[thorny pond]

I didn't say that

I said they have alternatives

[slow marsh]

and we just get acro from outlaw x|

and by we i mean you guys

[storm onyx]

had forgotten Overkill altogather

[thorny pond]

tons of old things I venture are going to reappear

[deft flicker]

Cheat could be a new entry point, just like there are some in druid/priest trees. Easy to take, adds some freedom in switching sides and picking stuff

[fleet anchor]

Back when Glyphs were cool too 😄

[thorny pond]

Make a cheat glyph to turn me ethereal while the debuff is active

[sand plume]

So assass is the only spec with the DR talent. Any speculation on whether that would be the only raid spec that’s wanted?

Then again I suppose that might depend on the DPS difference between the specs.

[deft flicker]

Outlaw CDRing healer cooldowns tho

[round scarab]

Hey, which tea is the best for m+ ? (from theotar)

[spice spire]

Probably going to be crit

[viscid spear]

I always suggest a cool (lol pun) glyph for Frost Mage: turn the icicles floating above your head into snowballs.

[storm onyx]

and a second one to show pebbles inside

[viscid spear]

Everything okay at home, buddy?

[storm onyx]

they hurt :/

[viscid spear]

Life hurts, but you gotta take the pain

[balmy condor]

quake is off his juice, haste is pretty regularly at the top. If you don't get haste, or you have a fight with a decent amount of movement, go nadjia. That's why we recommend running nadjia everywhere always

[round scarab]

I see, thanks 🙂

[spice spire]

For m+? 🤨

[balmy condor]

I see

my error

but just don't run theo in m+ either

[subtle tundra]

you do run theo in m+ baka

[spice spire]

We all make mistakes papi, easy to miss.
But that 3% crit is bussin

[balmy condor]

I reject that

[spice spire]

Ong

[subtle tundra]

u BAD

not my TC

[spice spire]

Mfs like varas gonna run crit tea with no seal fate in DF ONG

[subtle tundra]

yes

[spice spire]

Cursed AF

[subtle tundra]

cause even with no seal fate shit can crit

so if i have 0 crit from gear

crit will be a lot of dps

[spice spire]

[grizzled jay]

Anyone else running ER + no Seal Fate + TTB + Sepsis in DF?

[balmy condor]

oh for sure

that's the best build I've seen

[spice spire]

Every day we stray further from god

[subtle tundra]

ofc

[balmy condor]

did you see my sub rogue tree

[spice spire]

I’m scared

No

[balmy condor]

3 covenants, no dance

[subtle tundra]

my build

[spice spire]

Gonna have to get new eyes after this one, king

[oak sky]

This looks illegal

People need to be protected from themselves

[spice spire]

So true, bestie

[bleak sky]

stop

delete

rethink your choices

[balmy condor]

oh I have a cursed sin tree as well give me a second

aight so hear me out right

you take

every movement speed talent

for maximum speed zoomers

and then you take

as much burst as possible

you MFD Kidney dance and then ambush into rupture

hit a sepsis

and then you run away

and it just ticks to death

open world GOD mode

[echo geyser]

u are an inspiration to us all whispyr

thanks for being here

[bleak sky]

agreed can you pin this?

new players need guidance

[echo geyser]

"whispyr's Ganking build" we will remember this for years to come

killing lvl 10 chars since 2023

[balmy condor]

very based mr tmb

[subtle tundra]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[grizzled jay]

ty

The Class tree is actually probably the go-to if hilariously ER somehow is best

[spice spire]

Based on what?

[fleet anchor]

Someone stop Whispyr posting builds before someone gets hurt

[spice spire]

Koji’s blood pressure can’t take it

[fleet anchor]

That Sub build gonna get some people to delete their Rogues man

[polar cape]

does assa use the ambush from shadowmelt?

[echo geyser]

depends if it applies find weakness or not

if ur not on a boss u can meld > stealth into garrotes for subterfuge at least

[polar cape]

yeah was wondering in raid on bosses if you use the melt for anything

[balmy condor]

yes hello mr simcraft developer can you tell me if the sims are accurate for no dance 3 covenant subtlety? I am not sure if it's supported in the APL I'm seeing some mistakes rotationally that I was hoping you would be willing to fix?

[violet jackal]

wait where the empowered garrote into nightstalkered rupture in your setup into deathmark replicating both

[grizzled jay]

Hey Mr. "Theorycrafter", I noticed your APL doesn't support rotation with Shadow Dance and no stealth talents for Assassination/Outlaw. Is this a bug?

[balmy condor]

yes

[grizzled jay]

[main blaze]

Lol shadow dance no stealth

[grizzled jay]

We are gonna get some fucked up builds once Alpha is live and I'm here for it

[ebon notch]

finally

[woeful meteor]

gz

[winter vapor]

man, mythic skollex sucks

[gloomy knoll]

Depends on how shitty your melee are boss does basically nothing

[kind talon]

its the ambush shiv rupture sepsis for me

[balmy condor]

the "just hit buttons"

[kind talon]

actually the most

cursed

rotation

thats actually correct that ive ever seen

💀

[fleet anchor]

Scuffed APL

[balmy condor]

it's not -40% dps, the sims must be wrong

[echo patrol]

Quick question, would shadowdance snapshot bonus damage to the dot?

[fleet anchor]

Nightstalker probably still does.

[balmy condor]

correct

[tiny ember]

thx whipsery got the info in sub

was thinking I was reading it wrong or some shit

[prisma gorge]

should you vendetta on opener after snd and before applying dots

[bleak sky]

#assassination-faq has a very nice infographic on how to use your cds

😄

[prisma gorge]

ic it now ty

how do you flag then rupture with 0 cp lol

what am i missing on that top image..

[bleak sky]

that's your cd usage

your opener is still
mut -> snd -> mut -> gar -> image

[prisma gorge]

ty.

[strange python]

First raid in 6 weeks tomorrow

[oak sky]

hope it goes well i guess

[strange python]

I'm used to my retired life :(

[bleak sky]

don't sound too excited to raid eh

[strange python]

Wait no lol it's been 9 weeks

Hard to care about raiding when the tiers over and you can't farm parses

[bleak sky]

then don't raid

[strange python]

Gotta earn a spot for s4/dragonfligjt

Also jailer mount

[burnt latch]

u play for AG?

[grizzled jay]

I'm also doing my first raid in like months tonight

[strange python]

LOL

[burnt latch]

theyre trialing people in s4

and they will be hof in DF

believe in the project

[oak sky]

bro half the guilds are like this zzzz

[burnt latch]

ye but they arent esports orgs

AG is

[oak sky]

true

every guild giving their us rank in my dms bro

Madge

[burnt latch]

thats such an US thing to use region ranks

[oak sky]

literally

[grizzled jay]

My guild wants to try for CE but it's still early in recruiting

[balmy condor]

Anvil is going to be top 100 horde NA guilds bro

[bleak sky]

Na rank number smaller than wr number

So it has to be better

[balmy condor]

oh nvm

[fleet whale]

US is the world

[balmy condor]

they gave up on rank 100 US Horde

they're adding a fourth day

[bleak sky]

Holy shit

That's insanity

[earnest remnant]

[bleak sky]

Raiding like that I expect hof

[fleet whale]

Am I missing something.
those times don't seem that extreme

[balmy condor]

they're WR600

[jaunty crystal]

adding a day to gain ranks is such a bad idea. Unless you've actually maxed out your guilds skill potential.

[bleak sky]

Bruteforcing ranks

[jaunty crystal]

like to get to US 50 then maybe add a day

[balmy condor]

they "pushed" for US 100

[jaunty crystal]

focus on recruitment, better leadership, etc

[balmy condor]

this tier

and then landed at US 200

[fleet whale]

I mean if were gonna talk about meme guilds pushing for world rankings but failing
PRIME is the OG for that category

[bleak sky]

Not happening

[balmy condor]

what

you don't think blason will improve?

[bleak sky]

Better leadership = blason quits the game

[fleet whale]

it was "super guild" that formed in late MoP with aspirations to get World First High Maul
raid schedule was ridiculous, every night was a raid night

[jaunty crystal]

ye that's true if he knew how to improve his guild they would already have done it 😛

[fleet whale]

guild imploded before they even cleared the raid lol

[bleak sky]

That was too mean

Felt bad

[balmy condor]

I mean he did lose his wife

[fleet whale]

who is blason

[balmy condor]

cancer

[bleak sky]

Yeah but y'know

[balmy condor]

very sad

[bleak sky]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

what

[bleak sky]

Did his wife fucking die

[balmy condor]

no

just cancer

[jaunty crystal]

gm/rl of anvil gaming. He got some meme notoriety in Sanctum when Max watched a bunch of his clips on stream.

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

its okay though

she divorced the cancer

she's doing okay now

[cursive summit]

Savage

[jaunty crystal]

then he claimed his guild would be esports focused this tier. Lot of people watched his guild progress on twitch for the laughs.

[fleet whale]

I think all the "greens" and "oranges" on Ravenholdt should form a superguild

would 100% get World first

[bleak sky]

How bout you sniff my private parts huh

[bleak sky]

12 rogue guild

Surely nothing could go wrong

[balmy condor]

I'm getting hints of feijoada

[fleet whale]

some of the rogues could rerolll

[bleak sky]

Damn your sniff machine is good

[jaunty crystal]

everyone would have to play alts and there would be a massive guild ending fight to decide who gets the rogue spot

[bleak sky]

But bottom line is: raiding 4 days a week for wr 600 is very depresso

Say they improve a bit

[balmy condor]

When teams win their championship in sports, they don't advertise their capital from previous years to now, nor compare them to other teams
You take the wins and you leave it there

[strange python]

Tbf that's only 12 hours a week. Most HoF at this point are doing 16, or are overtiming

Or 35+ hours like elusive kekw

[grim tangle]

or you're alliance and you got hof this week

[strange python]

No one really considers alliance to count at this point

You could be wr like 500 and get it as alliance

[thorny pond]

I’ve raided in both horde and alliance and alliance guild still act like it’s some big thing

[strange python]

Honestly other than the guilds on the very border, most horde guilds don't care either

[thorny pond]

Even in the same conversation where we counted alliance that went horde this tier

[grim tangle]

yeah my friends were overtiming for it on monday before the nerf, they didn't kill it, but then got hof anyways on tuesday

[burnt latch]

alliance hall of fame

[balmy condor]

wr 700 currently still gets in

[burnt latch]

lmfao

thats mad

[strange python]

I wouldn't be shocked if half the guilds from us rank 40-60 are better than the ones rank 30-40 who overtime like crazy

[thorny pond]

It’s cool as a personal achievement and fun for the team, but going out and acting like you’re better than horde guilds who didn’t get it is sad

[burnt latch]

define better

[thorny pond]

That’s me!

[strange python]

My theory is that if you limited raid hours or number of pulls, the former group would outperform the latter

[burnt latch]

maybe thats true for 30 vs 40 guilds

[strange python]

Us 60 guilds who don't overtime are imo full of better players than us30 guilds putting in 20 hours

They're usually only a week or two behind

[burnt latch]

but usually higher ranked guilds have to raid a lot, cuz they clear the content so early that there isnt enough gear

so bosses take longer than guilds who arrive there 2 weeks later

[strange python]

Idk, I just have no respect for the overtime degeneracy unless you're fighting for world top 10

[thorny pond]

You also benefit from more strats/logs/PoVs/streams the longer you take

[burnt latch]

whats overtime degeneracy tho, most guilds in high rankings just have a lot of raid days

[strange python]

I'm not sure that's true at the us 30 vs 60 range. There's usually only a week or two between kills at that range

Raiding 16 or more hours in a week to not be top 10

Seems wild to me

[burnt latch]

top 10 guilds itw are all raiding 7 days a week

[strange python]

Yep

[burnt latch]

and most are getting paid

[thorny pond]

If everyone in top 40 raids those OT hours, someone has to finish 40 and someone has to finish 1

[strange python]

But 16 hours is an enormous commitment is what I'm saying.

[burnt latch]

to you

[strange python]

At that point it's a part time job and you should either go full or back off

[burnt latch]

thats not an objective statement

very subjective

[harsh anchor]

Maybe some people really like to raid and the increased amount of raiding is dope while striving for a cool number on the leaderboard

[strange python]

Meh. Agree to disagree then. I couldn't imagine putting in 16+ hours a week to kill a boss a week or two faster than 9-12 hour guilds.

[burnt latch]

I mean u just cant say objectively that something is a big commitment

[strange python]

Not to mention the inevitable overtime pushing it over 20

[burnt latch]

500k for a house loan isnt much for some, its huge for others

same thing

some people can afford to put more time into the game than others

purely subjective

[nova wolf]

Imagine caring how other people spend their time

[strange python]

But this started as talking about how good they are. A guild putting in 9-12 hours a week to finish the raid 2 weeks later than a 16+ hour guild is more impressive.

Especially since all vods and strats arent changing at that point in the majority of tiers

[burnt latch]

eh, depends a lot on the rankings, how early we talking

higher WR = i consider you better

[strange python]

I don't agree with that.

[burnt latch]

thats fine, but do you have experience on that level

[strange python]

Elusive is the obvious example. They put in 35 hours the last week to down jailer. I dont consider them better than...some random guild a page later on wowprog

I do

[burnt latch]

in the last year ive played in wr 2k guilds and top 100 guilds, and every time ive went up rankings, the quality has improved drastically

[strange python]

That's a completely different scale

[burnt latch]

how come

[void wharf]

comparing wr 2k which isn't even CE with top 100 guilds is a bit of a strawman, of course top 100 guilds are better lol

[burnt latch]

sec in a key

ill explain

[echo geyser]

i need explanation now

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749879121588387904/995818578458726501/989144524616003644.gif

[burnt latch]

no

[echo geyser]

ok u have 15min

[copper sun]

!opener

[echo geyser]

#assassination-faq

[ebon notch]

dont be so aggressive

[copper sun]

[echo geyser]

warchief honey dicked me

cliffhangered me

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916911203111039008/996160605192986715/unknown.png?size=4096

you proud?

finally had a good raid

[echo geyser]

alt raid?

[ebon notch]

nah

main raid

[echo geyser]

monday?

[ebon notch]

today

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

ye

[earnest remnant]

No r1s? U slackin daps

[ebon notch]

on VG i didnt even have monk buff

im doing the best i can

[earnest remnant]

Also the fuck happend on anduin?

Tuned in every once in a while and just heard bickering

[oak sky]

fuddumlaw

[ebon notch]

idk

people still cant control themselves around adds

had other people doing other peoples assignments for the first time

its just not our best boss

[earnest remnant]

Yeah anduin is annoying with people doing new stuff

[echo geyser]

i thought u guys raid wednesday thursday

[ebon notch]

wed/monday

we did a semi split run with mains/alts this week

on both runs

[echo geyser]

what about in s4 / dragonlands

same days?

[ebon notch]

was a little bit painful cause half the people in this guild are complete fucking brainlets

[ebon notch]

no clue

i guess so?

why

[oak sky]

[echo geyser]

its unusual to raid wednesday then monday cause u forget progress

[ebon notch]

legit they do their weekly 15s on their alt and theyre like

"lets go i can mythic raid now"

and they get in and just eat shit

theyre just complete liabilities

they do no log prep they dont look at vods

they just show up and want a boost

[earnest remnant]

You have more and more people I know in there

Hydro now as well

[ebon notch]

nice

[burnt latch]

so im not comparing 2k guild to a top 100 guild. Im saying i've moved from 2k -> 1.5k -> 1.2k -> 700 -> 350 -> 100 -> 20 throughout shadowlands, and every time ive swapped guilds ive noticed an increase in quality (in either player skill or just organization and planning/effectiveness). So I personally don't agree with the statement that a wr 50 guild is worse than a wr 100 guild just cuz the wr 100 guild raids less hours

@echo geyser thanks for 15 minutes timed the key

[ebon notch]

There are plenty of top 50 guilds that are there just because they raid obscene hours

[subtle tundra]

factual

[burnt latch]

sure, there might be a few extremes, but majority of the guilds in top 50 are just really good players, that also invest a lot of time in to the game

[echo geyser]

finally my mind is at ease @burnt latch

[burnt latch]

youre welcome bb hope u like it

[ebon notch]

I mean there are guilds that raid 5-7 days on prog and can't break top 20

And cyathursday is wr 24 with 4x4

[silver umbra]

wr or us

[burnt latch]

theyre wr 36 and yes, there are some insanely good guilds out there

wr ofc who tf cares about us ranks

[oak sky]

hes eu so definitely not us rank

[silver umbra]

o

lmao

of course an eu would say that

[burnt latch]

LOL

[oak sky]

i mean

[burnt latch]

we dont use EU ranks

[subtle tundra]

literally us is the only region that looks at region ranks

[oak sky]

region rank doesnt necessarily tell you nothing tho

when it comes to applying

it just doesnt mean anything from like a competitive standpoint

[silver umbra]

is there anything in that range with like

2x4

[echo geyser]

bruh 😂 EU ranks

[burnt latch]

yup smort america boy u are @oak sky

[oak sky]

thats why they pay me the big bucks

[burnt latch]

theres no guilds in top 100 who raid 2 days

afaik

[oak sky]

its just not enough hours

you would have to have insanely low prog times

[ebon notch]

EU only uses world ranks cause we actually have guilds in the top world ranks

[earnest remnant]

There is one that hangs around top 100

[oak sky]

bad take

[ebon notch]

if NA used wr it would look awful

[ebon notch]

quiet amerifat

[oak sky]

i weigh less than you 3Head

[earnest remnant]

Arctic avengers warcieft

[echo geyser]

wait is that rly why they use US ranks

[ebon notch]

what sounds better

"US 100"

or "wr 250"

[echo geyser]

[burnt latch]

yeah theyre really good, but they have failed to get into top 100 in the last two tiers iirc

but yeah theyre insane obviously

and they probably put in A LOT of hours outside of raid

[oak sky]

rain in NA i think was a 2 day that does pretty well

[burnt latch]

their officer team atleast

[oak sky]

not sure if theyre like 150ish

[subtle tundra]

there are also a lot of guilds saying 3 day raiding but they get additional days

for whatever reason

[burnt latch]

yup this is the biggest scam

[silver umbra]

thats decent

150 wr?

[oak sky]

ye

not us

[subtle tundra]

"3 day raiding but half the prog weeks get 1 additional day"

[oak sky]

150 us isnt that good

[silver umbra]

cause 150 us is like not too good

yea

[echo geyser]

is US ranks a real thing

like ppl use it?

[oak sky]

yeah

unfortunately

[silver umbra]

yea, when dealing w/ recruitment in na

we only talk about US ranks

lol

[echo geyser]

but why

[silver umbra]

idk

[oak sky]

it doesnt tell you how good the guild is

[silver umbra]

just the way it is

[oak sky]

but it does tell you

that the guild is worse than X guilds

that are your options

[silver umbra]

its also relative to other NA guilds that you can actually play in

[oak sky]

but like in terms of how competitive the guild is i dont give a shit about the US rank

if US rank 100 reaches out to me i dont really know how good that is

[ebon notch]

its purely optics

[oak sky]

i have to look up their world rank to get a good idea

[echo geyser]

could US 10 be like WR 50 or 100

[grizzled jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-hunter-talent-tree-clarifications-and-updates-327637?webhook

[subtle tundra]

pretty bad LOLE

[grizzled jay]

hunters cry for literally 1 day

get immediate blue response kekw

[oak sky]

yeah it is pretty bad

[oak sky]

fuck if i know usually guilds that are actually good just give you their name and that theyre hof or whatever they dont always say their rank

[echo geyser]

i wonder why EU isnt using EU ranks

it would look better

[marble hemlock]

if only we had a rogue from here on the community council

who could relay our feedback there as well

[oak sky]

If only

[oak sky]

Its weird i dont think good NA players care about us rank either

[void wharf]

yeah that makes sense to me, ty for explanation!

[hasty siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aBzbC2XB5czgEkMdty7upJ

help...im bad.

[ebon notch]

never sim stat weights

only top gear

so you can actually compare shit together and find a good build

[ebon notch]

oh also try sim with deeper stratagem instead of vigor

[burnt latch]

Imo eu players should use EU comparison ranks, for example if you only want to play with spanish people u can just say your guild is EUS Rank 2

[hasty siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c8SsgqfxF2KN151RXTzbfg

[burnt latch]

Or if your guild got like 110 EU but theres like atleast 10 guilds ahead of you that only speak a language u dont know u can say youre EUML TOP 100

[echo geyser]

EUMainLand?

[ebon notch]

People just say "rank 3 Spanish guild" in their description

[echo geyser]

i wonder whats the best swedish or scandinavian guild then

@burnt latch why are all finnish guilds on stormreaver is it some real lore behind it

[burnt latch]

No clue tbh im new to the finnish scene mby @limber lion knows

Theres finnish guilds elsewhere too but stormreaver is like 95% finnish ppl lmao

And ofc our good international friends @earnest remnant and @faint harness

[echo geyser]

i know color cause of speed kills

my guild used to do them some tier or 2 ago i think

[burnt latch]

Theyre the only good guild on our server that isnt finnish

[jaunty crystal]

Only time I ever did a speed kill was in Uldir 😦

[grim tangle]

speed kills are fun

[burnt latch]

Just checked that Zero Empathy is atm the best one language guild, WR8

Pretty impressice tbh, but they kinda cheat cuz french

That includes like some of italy, some belgium etc

[echo geyser]

french ?

[burnt latch]

I assumed this is french

[grim tangle]

is skyline not one language?

[burnt latch]

Maybe it isnt

[jaunty crystal]

tbh I wish I was EU 😦

[burnt latch]

Oh ye was talking EU only

[echo geyser]

7days a week

[jaunty crystal]

raiding scene seems so much better in EU

[burnt latch]

Liquid etc are one language only too if you think about it that way

[echo geyser]

my guild going full 4 day

[burnt latch]

Im gonna be 7 day raiding in DF most likely

[jaunty crystal]

4 day 4 hours?

[echo geyser]

whats ur guild?

[burnt latch]

Korruptio

[echo geyser]

wtf

[oak sky]

o7 sorry for your loss

[echo geyser]

yeah

[burnt latch]

This tier they played 7 days for a couple of weeks

[echo geyser]

we had 4 days first 1 week or is it 2 weeks of mythic

then 3 day

voy vitto

[burnt latch]

Its kinda like 5 mandatory days, and if theres 20 people that want to play and a good comp then might play more

[echo geyser]

good ilvl on the boi

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch impact is the best french guild

[burnt latch]

Holding it down

[ebon notch]

LEVELS is the best Swedish

Memento is usually the best Finnish guild

But since their disband it's korruptio

[burnt latch]

No Impact here

[ebon notch]

Search them

Look at SoD

[oak sky]

low key thats not that bad

because then you dont have to hard commit to 7 days

like if ur fucked by other commitments its not as bad

[burnt latch]

Yeah im like 100% fine with that, like if im home on the weekend and playing anyways, might aswell prog with the boys u know

But I dont have to be there if somethings happening

[burnt latch]

A lot of ppl from memento went to Korruptio and THPS

[ebon notch]

Ye ik

[burnt latch]

[echo geyser]

[kindred oriole]

You assumed right

[burnt latch]

Mr worldwide back at it again

[oak sky]

korruptio YEP

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch think we can make a group for my 28 pf tomorrow?

[burnt latch]

Im probably playing with the guildies and a healer we played with today

We can drums it down if u want

Your call

[ebon notch]

i mean if the keys are timeable then idc

thats all i care about end of the day

[burnt latch]

We timed 27 top with rogue warlock monk today same guys

No lust

[ebon notch]

then sure im down

[burnt latch]

Surely pf28 is easier

[ebon notch]

i need an IO injection

[burnt latch]

Ez

[ebon notch]

when you guys playing

[burnt latch]

Probably somewhere 4-6 st

And then after raid

So like 22-23 st

[ebon notch]

thats kinda bis actually

[burnt latch]

After 22-23

[ebon notch]

sounds good

[burnt latch]

Y just msg me tomorrow and lets see we didnt talk too specifically

[ebon notch]

sicko mode

[echo geyser]

fire

u play with a lot of ppl i know from pugs

[burnt latch]

Dont bully me big io boy

[echo geyser]

[burnt latch]

You shouldve seen the moves i was doin

Priest getting tiger lust 10/10 times on xav always on point never in doubt

[ebon notch]

let them die

they come back stronger than you could ever imagine

[burnt latch]

No warlock needs the pi on cd cant be having the priest die

[ebon notch]

they PI first then die

[burnt latch]

I can work with that

[gusty mirage]

do I need to ban daps @burnt latch

is he bullying you again

[burnt latch]

No daps is being nice

[gusty mirage]

new month new daps?

[burnt latch]

We might need to take a look at @echo geyser tho

[ebon notch]

???

when am i ever not nice

[burnt latch]

Man was flaming my 27 top

Without seeing my tigers lusts

[ebon notch]

im getting shit on internationally

[gusty mirage]

@ebon notch I was told I'm not eligible for the raider io pro-am

[ebon notch]

other discords

[gusty mirage]

thoughts?

[ebon notch]

and im still vibing

[ebon notch]

what is that in english

[burnt latch]

Right now ^

[gusty mirage]

he's bullying me because english is my second language

WOW

[burnt latch]

why u wasnt eligible

[ebon notch]

it is??

[gusty mirage]

apparently I'm not eligible to be considered an amateur

[ebon notch]

ur too talented

[oak sky]

wtf

[ebon notch]

to be an amateur

[gusty mirage]

yes

[oak sky]

im an amateur

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

didn't speak a word of english until I started school

[burnt latch]

Did u apply to be a pro or an influencer

[gusty mirage]

no

I applied to be an amateur

[ebon notch]

whats your main language

[burnt latch]

Oh LOL

Too big of a gamer

Habla espanol ofc

[ebon notch]

sometimes i wonder why we dont just have a group chat

then oxi wouldnt be able to ban us for not staying on topic

[gusty mirage]

the shit posting has been acceptable

[burnt latch]

Need to keep this discord alive inbetween all the boring stuff

[gusty mirage]

it has not disrupted the flow of conversation

it's been oxi approved

[ebon notch]

kinda true

otherwise it would turn into sub chat

[gusty mirage]

while before

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

it was just shit posting

constantly

when people were asking questions

[ebon notch]

to be fair

it was extremely boring

there was nothing else to do

[burnt latch]

I like a bit of shit posting tbh

I sometimes try to incorporate it into outlaw but they not as happy wit it

Assa chat bis for sure

Best tech best memes

[ebon notch]

ive said it before

[gusty mirage]

hottest rogues

[ebon notch]

and ill say it again

assa is a solved spec

[jaunty crystal]

seli types here. We won.

[gusty mirage]

seli's my dad

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

@marble hemlock right papa?

[burnt latch]

#subtlety is a different breed

[ebon notch]

theyre masochists

[burnt latch]

I think they all got stun locked after sin and law started performing better than them to find every bit of dps for optimization

[gusty mirage]

they ignored DK and push saying the tier set sucks

unlucko

[burnt latch]

Unlucko

Tbh the set didnt need the nerf

They shouldve left it the way it was

[ebon notch]

jpc had some hot takes pre tier

[gusty mirage]

ours would've been pretty ass too if it wasn't for @limber lion 's beautiful mind and handsome face sending us into the hell we live in now

[ebon notch]

they rode that dopamine wave

[gusty mirage]

pre-tier?

[ebon notch]

as in during PTR

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

I meant as in all expansion

but to each their own

[jaunty crystal]

lmao

[ebon notch]

hes my guildie

[gusty mirage]

iirc it doesn't matter what I say

[ebon notch]

i gotta be polite

[gusty mirage]

because "lol wr 700 rogue"

brain too smol to realize the deathly gains

[burnt latch]

Whats your us rank tho

[gusty mirage]

who cares

[ebon notch]

[burnt latch]

Us rank is my favorite meme of the past few weeks

[gusty mirage]

weeks?

homie you're late to the party

[burnt latch]

Blas0n is a gift that keeps on giving

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

only 160th

[burnt latch]

Dude im new to the wow scene i didnt know that was a thing

[drifting cloud]

yo you m+ friends is eon bis oh

[burnt latch]

Top 200 ez

[ebon notch]

not for assa

[gusty mirage]

stop doing keys

[burnt latch]

For sub and law its good

[gusty mirage]

you're reaching my territory of mushbrain

[drifting cloud]

I did one you cant stop me

[ebon notch]

even for outlaw you only play EON in ST

i weapon swap in keys

[gusty mirage]

I can't even bring myself to break the barrier whispyr set

[burnt latch]

Are you using my weapon swap weak aura?

[ebon notch]

huh

i dont know what that is

i was using a macro

[gusty mirage]

guy calls himself fotm and he isn't even in the know of the fotm

smh

@burnt latch I think we ban him

[burnt latch]

Its starting to soubd like a ban angle fo sho

https://wago.io/eumo3ltHX

Check the bottom left corner

WEAKAURA
Warcieft

BASED AS FUCK

[drifting cloud]

does it mine crypto

[burnt latch]

Nah it gets u bitches tho

[gusty mirage]

sign me up

[drifting cloud]

dont need that then

[gusty mirage]

do you show them your prog parses? whats your secret

do you show them your IO to prove you're not mentally deranged?

[burnt latch]

He links them US ranks instead of WR

[drifting cloud]

they see its below 3k and they know im a real one

[gusty mirage]

160 looks better than 498

change my mind

[burnt latch]

Exactly

U can also say im

”Im us top 160”

[drifting cloud]

bench warmer in us alliance wr200

[burnt latch]

And dont tell them that theres 159x20 people ahead of you. Let them think its 160 people

[gusty mirage]

okay don't expose me like that bro

[drifting cloud]

yeah but u got hof

so you can flex the title

[burnt latch]

[echo geyser]

im EU rank 48, sounds way better than world 116

gonna start using that now

[gusty mirage]

okay mr. 6k io

[echo geyser]

blason said whoever has the highest io should lead guilds

[gusty mirage]

want me to message your RL?

[echo geyser]

he knows

[gusty mirage]

[jaunty crystal]

some of the highest IO players I've played with have been abysmal in raid

[marble hemlock]

what?

[gusty mirage]

you're my father

[echo geyser]

bro?

[marble hemlock]

dunno if that coutns as

nsfw or not

[echo geyser]

wheres the nsfw tag

[marble hemlock]

ITS SPOILERED

[gusty mirage]

reporting you to the cops

[marble hemlock]

ill delete it

just in case

[echo geyser]

isnt there a nsfw spoiler

[jaunty crystal]

delete it from my brain

[marble hemlock]

crazy that people havent seen it yet

its one of the older memes

always makes me laugh

just like

https://tenor.com/view/owl-tv-show-news-gif-10227603

gets me every time

[viscid spear]

Sometimes the simplest thing is all it takes

[hybrid vale]

that looks like the jailer

before he turned into the jailer

his life on azeroth

[viscid spear]

I mean he's enraged by mortal wounds, so he just injures himself

Brilliant, really

[fleet whale]

The jailer had to be one of the lamest villains of all time

[burnt latch]

@gusty mirage i just got called blind in wow general

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/lich-king-snow-wow-windy-gif-15697667

[burnt latch]

Ban angle

[viscid spear]

Then they shit on the best

[fleet whale]

Are you saying that the LK is the lamest wow villain
or that LK is far cooler than the Jailer

[burnt latch]

LK is mid as fuck

[viscid spear]

Arthas was so good, then they turned him into a literal fart in the wind

[burnt latch]

Not even top 5

[viscid spear]

Gib top 5 den

[fleet whale]

You don't have to be a big LK fan but he's far better than the Jailer

Jailer had 0 backstory, generic evil bald guy

turns out he was just trying to be "good" at the end

[burnt latch]

Nefarion, Deathwing, Garrosh, Thunder Lord Boy, illidan

[quaint sequoia]

deathwing and garrosh top 5? lol

[viscid spear]

Technically he had backstory, it's just that he was retroactively thrown into everything lore-wise before Shadowlands, despite only being known of starting in Shadowlands

[fleet whale]

they are just gonna retcon that in a few years anyway

someone else will be "pulling the strings"

[burnt latch]

Ion is

[viscid spear]

Nefarion is a loser, Deathwing thought too small, Garrosh I'll give you, Lei Shen (?) got lucky with Ra-den, and Illidan is a hero now apparently

[fleet whale]

Illidan was never really evil

him being a boss in TBC was bs

[viscid spear]

Neither was Sylvanas

[burnt latch]

How is LK not a loser and didnt think too small

[viscid spear]

That was "The Banshee Queen"

[viscid spear]

He was a better written villain

[oak sky]

My top 5 endbosses ive played are 1. Donny d 2. Sylvanas 3. Jailer 4. None 5. None

[fleet whale]

so you just started in SL

[viscid spear]

He had a redeemable quality to him, holding back the Scourge knowing we could stop him in the end.

[burnt latch]

Goes crazy because someone called him out to be a pussy, goes and stays in an ice cube for 10 years, comes back and dies cuz he was doing rp

Lich king lore

[viscid spear]

[fleet whale]

Arthas lore is basically evil King Arthur lore
so while not original works well

[oak sky]

Yeah it was a joke

[fleet whale]

especially for a game like warcraft

[gusty mirage]

weird mine are: 1. don't care, 2. didn't ask, 3. ratio, 4. L, and 5. your house isn't even weeping with blight

[viscid spear]

Arthas was doing shit right off the bat, Bolvar was the ice cube

[oak sky]

Yeah well i lied mine are 1. I care 2. I asked 3. I love you 4. Best lawyer rogue 5. Your hubris amassed a debt you cannot pay

[gusty mirage]

damn

he killed me with kindness everyone

[viscid spear]

Honestly I'm most upset about Garrosh and how they heavily threw him into being Orc Hitler in MoP

[fleet whale]

My top 5 bosses are 1. Alison Tyler 2. Angela White 3. Krystal Swift 4. Angelina Castro 5. Sophie Dee

[burnt latch]

Get out-lored

[gusty mirage]

I knew what this was, googled it, and not disappointed

[burnt latch]

Boom

[fleet whale]

I like them "thick" if you know what i mean

[viscid spear]

"Dormant" meaning he wasn't ready to launch his attack yet while his minions started building his empire

[burnt latch]

Yeah so sat afk in an ice cube

[viscid spear]

Doesn't say he Ice Blocked

He's a DK (former Paladin) not a Mage

[ebon notch]

bannable

[spice spire]

Bannable for ever suggesting that Warcieft isn’t BASED as fuck

[gusty mirage]

Go to bed

[spice spire]

I’m on demonic hours

(My usual hours)

[gusty mirage]

I’m in bed before midnight

[oak sky]

Can we batchest anyone that says old wow is good that would be really funny

[gusty mirage]

Can someone type that in English for me

[spice spire]

He wants to clown on people with rose tinted glasses

[gusty mirage]

Oh

Sure yeah go for it

[oak sky]

Yes SIR

[gusty mirage]

Anyone who thinks leveling being a part of the end game is a good thing deserves it

[oak sky]

Seeing people get mad if you talk bad about wrath is funny

[gusty mirage]

Well that’s because wrath was a great expansion, and a huge fan favorite

I loved wrath more than any other expac, but would I relive it? Absolutely not