#assassination
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Jailer is a fight that is won by consistency and good positioning/movement. DPS is secondary.
thats the point, all 3 rogue specs are optimal on jailer
You playing what you're most comfortable on is the optimal choice.

whats happening
are you EU
hes not
Naw, he's EW


!cache
Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand
all rogue specs seem to be doing fine at the moment, and as much as i like outlaw, does sin pull massively ahead of outlaw in any raid scenarios that would justify having an offspec ready?
You can play outlaw on literally every fight
Very versatile spec
And competitive too now
@ebon notch
Yes man
ya i'm just making sure, i'm rerolling from hunter cuz my guild is filled to the brim with them but i still want to be as competitive as i can
Outlaw hits
I saw
Play one spec and play it really well
That's how you do it
All 3 are viable on almost every right
or play all 3 at an average level
Smh
oh definitely, i was my guild's token survival hunter last season
rogue is in a weird spot as it is
Bless
with no raid utility, if it's not doing really good dam then it can lose a spot
i mean i still am a surv main, i'm just very interested on rogue now that my favorite spec is in a good spot
and i wanted to know if there were any chances that i'd have to offspec
but if you're not raiding at a crazy level won't really matter either way
like, i dunno, something cheesy like sub on halondrus
ya i know it sucks ass on 2 targets
yea
sin is the weird one of the bunch for me
cuz i don't know what it's doing post tier set
other than that for this tier there's not really anything inherently bad for assa/outlaw
last time i looked at sin it was running scoundrel with frost set
no one knows what it's doing post tier set
that'll be 10.0
or do you mean what it's doing right now
yeah right now after the tier bonus is acquired
duskwalkers
i just know it can cast vendetta more often and that's about it
yeah that's what duskwalkers leggo does
ya i meant in the sense of
what's it's damage pattern
what is it good at
is it good at prio damage? st burst? cleave?
mostly just ST
decent at extended cleave
but you tend to run diff leggo for lords for example
lords is Zoldycks+necro
ya i saw a lot of necros on lords
it has slightly better burst than sub now with the tier set
but no rogue spec really bursts
much more consistent damage profile than most classes
i might give assassination a try once i get a decent dagger
since, well, it's not sub


but as it stands, the only point in spec-swapping as a rogue in raid is just "play what you find fun"?
(unless it's sub in panth/lords)
for the most part yeah
gotcha
Any spec on pantheon*
i saw OL doing somewhat decently on pantheon
Shit fight for rogues and a shit fight in general
not survival/destro/frost dk level
Tell me how you really feel
Fav fight ever. Can’t wait for reclear
It’s up there with anduin
Oh it was the best 200 whatever pulls of my life
It took me more pulls to kill anduin than it did sylv
Loved it

I’m banning you
??
You’re sick in the head and need help
as a surv main i don't see anything wrong with pantheon
we just had to assign 200 dps to not pad and focus the spread apart adds
Those animals

It’s just a shit fight
You love it
i love pantheon
Wish i knew how it felt to reclear, i have like 1 boss kill on every boss and first time we killed artificer was 3-4 months ago
I was asked to ST an add during lust


!ban @oak sky
please do it
please do it right now
should be dead wednesday for like 500 guilds 
you're not the real snow

Imagine designing a boss you need a weakaura for it to be doable
??
What a great idea
Let’s implement a mechanic that needs a WA
@lucid birch we got another snow
fight for the snow name
Punch punch kick

@lucid birch you’re lucky I love you
Love you too oxi
Yes king I am still playing!
feed him all yoyur gear

Okay first off: don’t yell at me
Second off: don’t yell at snow
its ok Dsnow im rerolling into a good spec for reclears (whenever we decide to start playing again
)
Third off: @spice spire smells like piss
i yell at snow, keeps him horny


It’s like getting getting called ma’am
:hahaclassic:


Pods
im going to play dh now
Real good one
🛏️
No
Stay frosty 🥶

Yooo
Careful brother u dont wanna see how the last beef ended
Hi kinda new to Rogue and would like a couple of pointers. Do any of you guys use a dps helper when learning rogue for the first time? Is the only Lego that’s good is the Venthia one, or can I use another a guildy recommended one called something patch? What’s the best covant for mythic +? I don’t have 2 set bonus yet should hopefully get that this reset once I have enough Cosmic Flux.
Also how is Sin for PvP.
you can use one if youre completely clueless as to what you should be pressing to get you started on the rotation hitting a dummy for example, or just write down the important bits to an personal note on ERT and use that when youre not sure what u should press. Venth + Dusk is pretty much the go to in all PVE content
Is assassin ok for mytbic + or should I go sub I don’t really like outlaw
Yeah its decent, play whatever you want unless you want to push +30 keys
hi ppl, i test some stuff as sin at ptr. What do u think about this damage break down?
way too much melee
idk what that shows, probably not doing the overhang properly?
but yeh, should be expecting rup/gar to be at least equal or higher than melee
i have plenty of vers %17~ i think that might cause the problem, instead i might go for other stats
I don't think that's the issue
it was ST dummy for 7 min ~
sure
but stats alone won't get your melee to be that far ahead of everything else
def a rotation issue
if i can record one log, can u look once u have free time Whispyr?
ye
if you prgress halondrus, melee might be higher since autoattacks always hit
he's hitting a training dummy
yea sure
just had that problem and thought melee is too much, then it dawned that logs are from halondrus :<
np
!fuu
Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz
Can you record a log for a training dummy?
Do you take crimson tempest even for single target?
Yes u always take ct
Opener is wrong, garrote before flag, vendetta later with shiv, dont vanish before shiv you want to maximize cp generation in vanish window
you overcap cp with 3 multilates in a row
delay marked for death and use it after flag
yea those thing happened i do it like u say also but sometime i do mistakes do to hard click and miss global 😄 but how my melee is more then my dots
i mean did it really make all diff? or something else
You rotation is entirely wrong
I would recommend you to read the pins here as well as #assassination-faq
garret garret garret
Looks like you're just freeballing it, which is not something you can do with this build
This build plays very specifically following quite strict rotational rules
so i shouldnt use my vendetta also whenever it come, lemme read faqs, i wasnt keeping my CDs maybe thats why
also you refreshed rupture once in vendetta, you want garrote and rupture refreshed in the last seconds of vendetta and you never want downtime on rupture or garrote in vendetta
There's a lot of things going wrong.
thank u kanzoku and ceverion i will try again and send one
Just read a guide
yea i will now

long time no see ❤️
Hi guys! Question related to Cache trinkets : in order to have it on pull, do you have any setup ? (like making sure RL start countdown based on your cache, equipping trinket based on dbm pull, etc...)
It resets on pull sometimes so no you’d just hold until it swaps
Yeah the sometimes is annoying
I mean, having it on vendetta + vanish is a whole other trinket that sending it later ^^'
I mean yeah, but imagine asking your RL to wait to pull for it to rotate back to axe and then on pull it auto swaps to sword or wand
Hey @desert iris have a splendid day
or thinking that the pull timer lines up perfectly with axe and then... sword all of a sudden.
Hey @lucid birch hope you have a real one mister dsnow
You too mang
No you 
also good weekly vault for our na boys(and girls)
ily
I got a cloak, converted it to Haste/Crit 
270 exactly now, Jailer dies tomorrow 
nerfs probably help a bit too

Also I did a lot better, replaced my mouse
nice, what mouse did you get?
Corsair Scimitar, but everyone says I should've gotten a Logitech
logitech g506
that is a nice mmo mouse, i prefere the more classic ones with 2 side buttons
I go for the fps mouse as well
Front and back only, I am not good at using MMO buttons with my thumb
I like having the 12 button side thing though
i used to use the 305 wireless, now on the superlight
12 is so many for me idk
The Wowhead guide states i should use MFD for a SND cast on pull? Is that really worth it ?
can you bind abilities to each of those buttons easily? ive never tried
wait it does?
show screenshot please
@balmy condor whats up with this
the openers listed further below dont include MFD
The guide is not written for venthyr tech if I remember correctly
It's just the number keys 1-0 and -/=
if talented
12 sidebutton mouse is bis
I feel like it is more of a covering your bases kind of statement
rather than a real recommendation
its almost impossible to cover every special use-case
When do I use master poisoner?
you? always
so typically rotational advice like that is the absolute baseline, and any specific rotational change/advice from any covenant/legendary combo you might play supercedes it
!guide
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
How does the gameplay change when i run EP instead of Blindside. Do is just pool more before finishers to get the most out of the damage bonus?
You won’t be ambushing randomly.
You can maximize EP, but often (especially during vendetta windows with 4p and flag windows where time is of the essence) it’s more harmful to hold
Cache again today... i swear to god i'm never getting a sigil
Thanks 😄 thought it would do something about pooling
surprising given that we don't even have season 4 or alpha/beta
😐
another untested expac where they dont listen to feedback
pogger
i am hype
bfa 2.0!!!
a big island expedition
Monk main speaking 
i do think they listen
the monk is speaking straight facts
the problem usually wasn't that no feedback was given or they didn't listen
Sorry mister varas
but just the small amount of time they had to change anything
Just miss u[s]
Boo monks 
But yeah I’m less than thrilled about the decision
"you have 2 weeks to fix this mess of a spec, while working on other specs too"
good luck
maybe the development time was less cause less systems to balance?
That’s the hope
but it is kinda scary that we have not had any alpha stuff yet
considering SL alpha was out by this point
I’m 1000% fine with waiting for a finished product.
I think many people are
and was going into beta
balancing did never happen before late beta
so the dev time before that was always to iterate on systems, fix bugs, add content, etc
in before rogues will be last to get stuff added again like in SL 
Step three: balance assassination
tbh i expected blizz to successively release talent trees
Step four: balance everything else below it
And then ignore what the community tells them.
i mean, thats a different topic
what individuals or even a big part of the community thinks is good/bad
is not nessecery in line with what the devs think
as showcased with the subtlety tier set quite well
No, that is very true. But the dev's does not play the game as much as the community does. I'm not saying the community is always right, most of the time they arent. But if everyone screams left and you decide to go right then something is wrong.
i literally am always right
Tbh it seems balance is just the last thing on their mind during launches
I mean, getting the game to work has to be priority number one.
Gamebreaking bugs needs to be gone etc.
tier set bonuses need to work 
it is, because stuff needs to work before you apply balance
i am not sure how well you remember sl beta
I wasn’t around then
but rogue was broken for 90% of it
Haha, i remember that.
basically sbs was overpowered asf
then we had akaaris that gave you combo points, basically make you op
Rogue tree when? 
after that we had kyrian er bug that did make all of your finisher 7 cp forever
2 weeks before release

after that we had bloodfang set that did 10x the damage it should have due to a typo
...
I feel bad for Guy/fuu/Whispyr
why, i am excited
to see the trees
also i think the new talent system makes it a lot easier
I mean the sooner you guys can see them the better
WING BACK PIECES 
Honestly, i doubt its the devs fault really. That getting passed through QA is just a fail. I know that QA is understaffed at blizzard but still. :c
But that also means more time for us nobodies to pester you with questions
keep in mind that we atm need to adjust the apl for:
- talents
- soublinds
- coveannt abilities
- conduits
- legendary items
- tier sets
in 10.0 it gets reduced to:
- talents
- tier sets
@vestal wren should we Save or Kill Anduin?
why do you ask me
Well if we save him Arthas dies, but if we kill him then maybe Arthas takes his body
^
pussy ass bitch
Arthas is gone forever though. Rip arthas.
i am with daps then, just kill him
what is this in reference to
Its okay, soon horde is going to get a new leader that becomes Hellscream 3.0
No worries.
Arthas. 😮
The image or the 4chan post?
No worries, they will rework sub and shadowpriests.
Prob break boomkin in someway.
It has to be done one time per cycle.
oh, and Disc priests.
I take back my wish earlier mister dsnow
Hope they delete priests
Blessed


Bfa azerite traits 4 weeks before release, blizzard going for a new record 
rogue talents won't be in until release
it's gonna be a surprise
i am very surprised about the timeline
because it means probably 5 months of dev time till pre patch
and at least for that talent trees need to work
Man the launch of DF is gonna be a shit show
The stakeholders aint
Wait if the expansion is in 5-6 months does that mean season 4 is in 2-3 months?
we're getting the same talents we have now
not even a new tree
just the same shit
they can't call in Sephuz to save them this time
hiring ghostcrawler as a freelance game designer
they couldn't pay him enough to return to this steaming pile of doo doo
wdym same, you can now decide to not take talents that are atm baseline
log on, push N
isn't that exciting, you finally have choice
that's what we'll probably have

because they'll forget about us
again
we had 3 TBD talents going into SL release
I'm not holding my breath
to be fair
someone at blizzard deadass thought alacrity would be a good talent for sub
bro
cmon
literally could've put anything in that slot
and it would've been more useful than alacrity
Alacrity is way too strong and way too boring
Surely they would show off more new talents the day they drop preorderd
Exsanguinate and Venom rush are more fun to play though. Hope the new talent tree opens up more than 1 super meta build
Venom rush 🤨
old venom rush was
did we travel back to BfA?
Is the rotation the rotation I should go with or is there a better one?
Imma need you to clarify what you mean
venom rush 
uhhh I'd have to check it out, but I'm pretty sure @marble hemlock got around to it
More important, however, is the fact that as Vendetta runs out, these duration and tick-rate increases do not get reverted. Instead you will keep the benefits even after Vendetta expires. This means we will want to refresh our bleed effects shortly before Vendetta expires to gain more than 20 seconds of the set bonus effect. This behavior is intended, and will noticeable improve your DPS when done correctly.
Looks good, but for the rotation you'd want to keep your bleeds up during vendetta and try to refresh them right before vendetta ends
also @limber lion wrote a rotational opener before he decided to abandon me 
#assassination message
quick Q
do you get SnD extension from Envenom that is parried?
cuz like, this caught me off guard
even Alacrity procced kekw
im not 100% sure if teh rotation is perfectly up to date, but it should be, since really nothing changed
Like, my rotation on Jailer is already set in stone and then this shenanigan happens
xd
!fuu
Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz
where can i find sylv dagger info for ass ?
What kind of info?
break points with ilvl etc
on that sheet just above you
ty
Item level > Sylv dagger basically. It’s only used in the OH for Outlaw & Sub.
heroic ilvl dagger > sylv
yep got it ty ty
Sylv OH sims higher for me

link sim
ur lying
IMC ALLING YOU OUT RIGHT NOW
LINK ME
I’m omw home


Ong?

Bless up

No 🧢?
on a stack
In the back
bussy?
Of daps’ shack
Go ahead & show me your evidence on this math, my good sir.

Gimme a min
dont provide any data
Just simply keep me waiting forever.
@burnt latch can you do me a favor? as a friend
would you please tell dapspspspspsman to stop drinking 6 cans of nocco per day?
it's clearly affecting him
LETS GOOOOOOO
Nononononoo, keep going.
PLEASE
idk man i dont think he can get much worse tbh
Lowkey, heard stories about a guy who drank like 8 monsters a day, stroke by 30

I heard stories about a guy who drank 10 red bulls every day for 10 years. Guess who he is right now? Youre right, Stephen Hawkin.

oh youre one of those people who believe that tupac and Michael jackson are dead too arent you
smh
tupac MJ and elvis all live in the same streamer house
I can prove it
ye i saw the tiktok they made
Daps sitting on a wooden childs chair???
Ya
my desk is not here
He’s like 3.25ft tall
i have so much nocco
Aint no way
that i have to store it in the nocco corner
daps playing from a garden judging by the state of that floor

(That’s 1 meter for eu people)
im an animal in raid
This man is a GNOME
i gotta by 1 with nature

the only animals finland has in gardens are little pussies
mby a golden retriever
hedgehog
Yo don’t talk about my man daps like that
@burnt latch WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF HEALTH
holy he's actually cracked out of his mind right now
W
dont worry boys i put him in his place
Im going on dk
let's make eu accounts
let's play with the homies
Bro
id suck warciefts moms dick
Make them come here
i tried already
to get him to play with me on TR
and he said no
he didnt like me that much

It was too hard to get both me and dekai over then we ran out of time
low rez dans game
@bleak sky u telling me u want to pay 40 for SL AND level a guy on eu??
Bro u think i have gold for 4 wow tokens
For the black market? Yes
HUH
broke ass bitch smh my head
Bro
what the tf u saying bro
Im struggling to mentally justify buying an outlaw leggo

Freelance
But i dont want to spend it

And i might have a job soon idk
def not good for the mental
And i also cant do freelance i dont have any freelancer skills
HES SPENDING IT ON WEED AND NOCCOS
source: me
I SEE YOU
mental not good
I dont have weed or nocco 
everyone has something worth paying for
Im not taking it just so i can play with warcieftdk
not takin what
utlaw chat
Did he get pi
No
no
Not true
he plays DH ffs
His passion for wow is revived
im a vigorous man and my ligma needs to be satisfied
VIGOR USER SPOTTED
@hollow river link sim

we listening to that playlist again?
nah not at 1 am
@ebon notch yo get me in this key im making an eu account as we speak (warlock main)
ive been spamming invite for 5 mins now
I clicked join
Ready for agreonbolts
if that's bad ill unfriend you cieft
its certified bangers only
trust
this is the cieft special dps playlist
@bleak sky THIS ONE
FUCKING SLAPS
Not at home
ur on voice
can't listen
yea but no muusic is playing on my end
check ur app volume
it's max
nah
dont think it should
Defo need premium
but ye this one goes HARD
Thats all i knkw
this is a slapper
!ban @ebon notch
he wants to eat children
Yeah but did he?
!ban @oak sky provolone hater jack harlow looking ass mf
Cringe then
!ban @bleak sky too cute to live (official gobliner)
youre the one on record saying youve eaten a small child

ALLEGEDLY
Sorry homie. Nocco garbage
(I ain’t ever had one in my life)
Warcieft leaking DMs, for shame.
Is there no honor anymore?
Whoah there
That’s true
if it doesn't exist in the US it's not real
I got 278 arachnid cypher with socket 
True
i hadnt even heard of it till i desperation applied to them
Not jeweled signet of melandrus

So did they like send you it for free
Thats kinda dope lmao
and if i get lucky i get some protein bars also
Isnt this technically rmt
wat

what are they paying me for
Trading irl currency for in game services
showing up
Carrying the guild obviously
Raiding for them
They're paying us in fucking GAMER GUMMIES
LETS GO
Get gaslit, nerd


you befriended a retired gamer
he will reach new heights with nocco
on yod
we will accidentally get world first
new heights: WR 120
by being just that good
those are current heights
Nocco better get wr50 next tier
That's offensive, they prefer "employably-inclined"
we can with you xoxo
Yeah, what kind of guild would do that
daps wont play rogue
we know that
fotmvoker incoming
Yeah that’s true
Good thing you play a Warrior, that is very excellent at Rend uptime
Rend uptime always 100
except in execute
always
Fuck man i want to play every class
Its fotmhunt buddy
@ebon notch i miss the late night weekly no leaver/boost streams 
hahahaha
were you there for that one 4 hour boost?
Dont think so
absolute suffering
I remember the genesis of fotmwarr
The expansion of fotmhunt
The enhancergodx fotmsham

You need to hit up some bitches first
Ong
Only bitch im hitting up is agreonicy bro
I don't remember the other Rogue during Sanctum
Nah I’m the joke 
Why were you late? 
bleh, trying to decide between sub, sin, and outlaw for M.Halondrus prog tonight
all 3 are equally geared, probably sin i guess
Whatever you prefer homie
what the fuck is that
Jailer boss room
oh
invites are just rolling out
stream isnt
TRUE
No worries ill alt tab to your stream constantly
Im only floor pov when the whole raid is floor pov essentially
do you guys wait to enter the tank soak circle on H jailer?
or do you enter it asap
doesn't make a difference
go in when it's comfortable
sometimes you have overlaps makes it hard
isnt there avoidable damg by going in tooo soon?
no
hmm, 1 grp I run with waits and 1 grp doesnt
I do notice there are 2 blasts that go off in a circle
the first blast is just raidwide damage
@bleak sky position yourself in front of the boss so you get knocked through his hitbox and don't lose uptime
Then you don't have to grapple either
is there are reason to not cloak first oppression on jailer
Just be careful if there's a line
what is cloak used for on the fight
Cheesing mechanics to do DPS
mc / mc lines
Same as always
MC lines feel as good as your raid group
If everyone makes space for each other it's barely a mechanic
If people panic then it's unplayable
are people using cloak as a prophylactic measure on lines
or
idk raid leader has an attitude that we should ams/cloak mc lines
but then I've gotten bomb with no sprint up
I've never had to cloak MC lines
If someone moves last second it's their fault and they need to fix it
@ebon notch I think he dies tonight lmao
Let's gooo
p1/p2
p3 is a guaranteed wipe though
first azeroth beam soak = 
How do the nerfs feel?
I did unbind feint
that's how they feel
jk but our tanks look A LOT healthier
so does the raid
yeah
it's the same fight, with the same dumbass wipes
it just hurts less
you die because someone didn't run a bomb out
not because you decided to be 0.2mm too far to the left
idk what happened but somehow I was tanking jailer midfight
we are gaming
nerfs felt pretty bad how easy it was compared to before
but ya know, at least he's daed
gz
yuge
when is it my turn father
not the way you guys reset bro
15 minute run down the bridge every wipe

Amen

actually cannot imagine raiding without soulstone
There has to be a novel read in between wipes
would kms respectfully
y'all recruit warriors?
it's a Thr angle

thr is my level 40 orc warrior

True
@spice spire you need a warlock i can create one for you
i dont have time anyway

Gib atk powa 
Trust me brethren I know the pain 
PSA race changes on sale for all u peeeps that like to mix it up
im a night elf now 🙂
yeah I like to mix it up
on some days I clown on @burnt latch , on others I clown on @ebon notch
but everyday is clowning on @oak sky day
😈

:yesreally:
cant clown when youre the circus
outlul
When’s my turn 
i clown, on lean























utlaw








