assassination

[lone junco]

I didn’t ask for help with that. Just about the vendetta on a fortified shard. Eg.

[bleak sky]

Have fun!

[plain plaza]

God this guy ^ is always a fuck...

[bleak sky]

Yes I'm in the wrong!

[ebon notch]

at a certain pull count fok is far more efficient than mut

are you really going to say that mut damage, even on a vendettad target, is worth giving up that CP generating efficiency?

almost certainly not

the way you do ST as assa in keys rn is purely keeping your dots up on your main target with vendetta

sure you can mut spam but why would you when you can use the surplus CP to kidney, dot other targets etc.

maintaining dots during vendetta with 4pc in keys on one target is almost a full time job in and of itself

[lone junco]

makes sense. with the quick runtime, youll be busy,.

[ebon notch]

100%

[lone junco]

hope you mean me. cause Ive been a fuck for a long time.

[ebon notch]

you are there for prio damage and light cleave

you will not keep up in overall without cheesing something

and even then you probably wont keep up

playing rogue is a thankless job in the current meta due to the raw damage that survival/wlock put out

[lone junco]

If I wanted help, id ask you to build our bis comp. (but I already know the answer)

(healer/dps) I play Hpriest/Disc. Arms/Fury, Sub/Sin/Outlaw Hpal.
(healer/dps) Rshm/Hpriest/Rdruid or destro/Enh/Feral/Shadow/hunter/Ret/Mage/brew.

(Tank/dps) is Protpally plays BloodDk, guardian, Protwarrior, Brew, destro.

(dps/tank) The DH plays survival, blood dk, brew
(dps) The survival plays marks/beast/dh/moonkin
(dps) The WW plays fury/sub.

[storm onyx]

Embrace your identity and close overall dmg tab; eye the target dmg done

[lone junco]

yeah. I like sub funnel, but in the past Vendetta pump on prio was really nice.

[bleak sky]

Sub funnel is copium

[lone junco]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-zen-meditation-gif-13277341

[ebon notch]

sub funnel is kinda dead rn

[lone junco]

yeah. with survival, its not even better than survival.

[ebon notch]

survival does more damage in AOE and ST

[lone junco]

ye

[bleak sky]

Just like destro

[ebon notch]

assa may lack the aoe damage but it will do insane ST/prio

[lone junco]

i do enjoy when he cries that they are too spread out

[ebon notch]

the only problem is that assa lacks stops

[lone junco]

kidney kick blind vanishcheap

[storm onyx]

Vendetta pump is nice, better than sub

[ebon notch]

if assa had gouge then maybe it could compete but

[bleak sky]

Who needs stops when the pack is dead in 10 sec

[lone junco]

gotta keep my fingers from pressing vendetta first, and ill be fine.

should just change the icon to exang, and put it in the old bind.

[ebon notch]

just give yourself time to get used to it

dont change a binding until you're sure you wont get used to it

[lone junco]

was kidding mostly. have plenty of time on assassin, just need to break old rotational habits

278 iqd seems really slick for 4p assassin right now.

even though I hate that trinket.

my sigil is only 252..

[ebon notch]

you wouldnt run sigil in keys

iqd is ok but xymox trinket + soleahs is probably your best bet

[storm onyx]

Is a very good trinket, just need to be mindful

[silent delta]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone junco]

have a 272 phial for passive

[ebon notch]

soleah does more than phial in keys

[lone junco]

ill farm that up. Have it on warrior and priest.

[storm onyx]

All the trinkets I traded away …

[timid cloud]

This guy, real JERK I say!

[ebon notch]

your profile pic is demonic

[bleak sky]

My man is horny on main

[timid cloud]

I’ll crank my hog right now. I don’t care.

[viscid spear]

Don't make me go back to mine

[timid cloud]

[ebon notch]

smh

[viscid spear]

If I weren't at work

[fallow wraith]

Does 2p set work with well-placed steel to spread the effect or is well-placed steel only on the target you hit with it

[bleak sky]

Single target

[devout jolt]

QQ with double on use trinkets, I have Sigil and IQD, is there a better of the two to use within the opener?

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[glass tulip]

sigil most likely

[ebon notch]

if they lust on pull then iqd no?

[glass tulip]

🤷

I'm just thinking I would personally always try and blow a longer cooldown first

to try and have it come up for a second use

[ebon notch]

duration of iqd is increase during lust to 25s

and it guarantees him stats

ordinarily id agree with longer cd first

but its kinda rough to balance out

[ebon notch]

you cant farm a phial?

[glass tulip]

or soleahs is a good alternative as well

to not double on use

[oak sky]

You can sim which trinket gets used for

First

[scarlet sequoia]

why do so many assa rogues play sigil when it sims so awful

@balmy condor explain right now

shadowblade

[balmy condor]

Because it sims good

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[scarlet sequoia]

sims much worse than iqd/earthbreaker

for me at least

[balmy condor]

Those both show sigil at the top

[scarlet sequoia]

thats fucking weird

[balmy condor]

You might just have a ton of vers idk

[scarlet sequoia]

10%

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

its because youre alliance

[scarlet sequoia]

u are supposed to know everything

[strange python]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Idk just make it sim higher

[strange python]

Plz don't let them give us covenant abilities as talents

[scarlet sequoia]

we cant all look this good

[halcyon zealot]

what weps are those

[scarlet sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8mM5B9ftwuEBo6ehbm5yHS

where is sigil

i even have iqd at 40% chance for stats

[scarlet sequoia]

wod cm sunblade

[bleak sky]

TWO RYGELON DAGGERS

[drifting cloud]

hes on farm for like 2months

[bleak sky]

still

[scarlet sequoia]

both from vault

[vestal wren]

double on use

[drifting cloud]

I think its because you have earthbraker in 1st slot, so when it sims sigil in 2nd slot its gonna suck?

[vestal wren]

but well

[drifting cloud]

could be wrong

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pbpBNkcKgACYEECQ26AN7x

[scarlet sequoia]

ok give me a sec

[drifting cloud]

but yeah those 3 trinkets are pretty close, but do you always get extra procs from earthbraker

[scarlet sequoia]

ye ok w no double on use sigil is better

but it sims lower than what im using atm

[ebon notch]

if only iqd wasnt so shit

[scarlet sequoia]

its not!

i get stats 90% of the time

good healers.

[fallow canopy]

what the absolute fuck are you guys parsing that I just did 15k on dausegne and it was like 94%

how cracked are you

[strange python]

These talent trees have me wanting to play feral...

Might be time to accept the world 500 guilds and play feral

[oak sky]

Half the trees dont even exist yet and you pick your class now

[scarlet sequoia]

the talent trees look fking awful

just boring baseline abilities put into talents

hopefully they realize that and change it

[oak sky]

I mean

Thats just them replacing leveling

With a tree

Its not different at all

[scarlet sequoia]

well there isnt a single new exciting talent

its all dog shit boring old reused talents

just wait until u see rogue talent trees

blizzard gonna put mutilate, shadowstrike and sinister strike as talents

if DFA isnt a talent for sub im gonna be severely disappointed

[oak sky]

Them putting mutilate as the first point in the whole tree is fine

Because

Its literally just like when you hit level 11 now or whatever and get mutilate

Like yeah rogue talents might suck whatever they arent out yet

Theyll probably bring back some azerite and artifact powers

And throw them in as talents

Maybe a few legendaries

And we maybe get 1 or 2 brand new things if we're lucky

[shy anvil]

hey guys, for rogue mage tower im struggling with survivability

gem wise is agility better for survivabilty over secondaries like vers?

[oak sky]

Make sure you have leeching poison and master poisoner

And dodging the axes is very important

[zinc frost]

Leech trinket from first boss of EN pretty big too

[shy anvil]

shoot i tried to get the en trink. no luck this week

what about the gems? agil or vers?

[oak sky]

1 gem isnt make or break, but i guess more damage= more leech if you go agi, but vers gives you dr

[shy anvil]

im also running double crusader enchants on weapons. i get cut through like butter though

[zinc frost]

You getting hit by axes then? It’s really more mechanics than straight up survivability issues

[shy anvil]

possibly. but even at start of fight i drop fast

stat breakdown: 30crit, 19haste, 30mast, 13 vers, 16 leech

[oak sky]

Have you looked at what you're taking the most damage from

If its axes you need to dodge, if its something else maybe you need to be using defensives and cc better

[glass tulip]

on mythic or heroic?

[shy anvil]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/drazek

what can i change up

[red plaza]

Find out what’s killing you first

[glass tulip]

If it just the swirling axes not much more to say other than just gotta dodge

[shy anvil]

is there a indicator when he throws his axes? i never noticed them in ret challenge

[glass tulip]

Don't think so, he just stand there and they go around the room. I try and stay as far away as possible normally

[zinc frost]

He hurls them at the start

Which is probably what’s wrecking you early on. Then he does berserker rage which has to be stunned

[glass tulip]

or evasioned

[shy anvil]

so never get close to jarl? i thought you needed to cleave them all

[hallow forge]

when you have two on-use trinkets does it really matter which one is in what slot?

[shy anvil]

oh hell. hurl axe is eating me alive

[hollow river]

you can get close to him ya

but he'll stop moving for a sec to hurl axes, which spin around the room

[shy anvil]

does kidney dr on him? i hate the axes

[hollow river]

you should just kinda kite all 3 backwards in a big circle around the room

you should only kidney the enrages

or the whirlwinds

[fallow canopy]

hero I'm a scrub

[glass tulip]

19.4k in that case for a public rank 1 😄

[fallow canopy]

jesus lol

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire what leggo we play for outlaw in keys

[spice spire]

#outlaw nerd

[gusty mirage]

you were asking solo like 5000 questions

figured you'd have learned something instead of being the uwu cf

[ebon notch]

go venth cb

[gusty mirage]

thanks bb

[oak sky]

BLUNERBUSSY DANCING STEEL

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

first off

don't ever say those words to me again

second off

I hope you're having a great saturday

[oak sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/765735693975552010.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

wait ur playing outlaw

ur cheating on me

[zinc frost]

I was so convinced outlaw wouldn’t get buffs this tier that I didn’t bother farming a 1 hander. Now look at me, no 1 hander, wanting to try these new builds in keys

[blazing pumice]

I'm getting a poxstorm in next vault

[ebon notch]

i completely looted mine by accident

[zinc frost]

I wish I did

[spice spire]

I didn’t ask solo anything

I would if I played the spec

[gusty mirage]

okay

that was fun as fuck

[oak sky]

blunderbussy babe

is this the sin players like outlaw arc

[spice spire]

Any rogue that hates another spec is cringe

So I assume no since we’re the most cringe

[oak sky]

so

literally every sin player

our tier creator inc

[zinc frost]

Sin players over spamming black powder in keys arc

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[zinc frost]

Take care of your wrists bro

[hallow crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-traitor-michael-scott-the-office-steve-carell-gif-17953273

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

damn ice shot is looking real weird idk

[gusty mirage]

prepping for my socket

that extra 20 dps is going to help kill rygelon

[oak sky]

i dont have a weapon so i cant even try it

[ebon notch]

helps when you run the right build

[gusty mirage]

still running draven

[ebon notch]

yeah the soulbind is w.e

but

[gusty mirage]

you sure?

cause uh

haven't touched these conduits since like early season 2

[ebon notch]

trust the talents are bigger than the soulbind

[oak sky]

🤔

[gusty mirage]

bro

[oak sky]

isnt it alac

[gusty mirage]

cb is actually sick as fuck

[ebon notch]

ask oxi

[gusty mirage]

ye I defaulted to venthyr -> breadblades

unlucky

[oak sky]

oh

[ebon notch]

and mfd

[oak sky]

oh

wm deeper alac

[gusty mirage]

yeah it was wild

[tight ginkgo]

Welcome

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage explain yourself

Egirls, nitros AND NFTs?

[gusty mirage]

besides the last bit, explain what's wrong with the first two

[zinc frost]

Chill heaven sounds like a vibe, I’m in

[ebon notch]

Wtf does it mean nitros

[gusty mirage]

bro idk

[ebon notch]

Like they give them out?

[gusty mirage]

it had cool emotes

so I joined it

[ebon notch]

Join one of their VC right now

[gusty mirage]

no

[ebon notch]

Touché

[gusty mirage]

I'd have to find it in this mess of a folder

@ebon notch it also has my fav emote:

[spice spire]

Every time you use this build @tight ginkgo is owed royalties

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/thierry-henry-clueless-thierry-henry-as-a-pundit-pundit-gif-25167832

[spice spire]

You will put some respect on my mans!

[strange python]

I'm expecting flag and sbs to stay because I'm a pessimist

[oak sky]

we could get lucky and its only 1 of them

i mean im hoping for 0

but

[strange python]

I've also wanted to play feral for awhile but didn't want to give up HoF, but getting benched has made me realize I don't care anymore

[spice spire]

Sbs better stay bro

On god

[oak sky]

its not like feral cant go hof

lmao

[strange python]

Having the ability to spec guardian for keys instead of begging tanks

I'd be shocked if there were more than 3 HoF feral mains in the US.

[oak sky]

hippo

for one

[strange python]

That's one

And might barely made it, and he's a god

[oak sky]

i mean

he was in bdgg

and pieces

[strange python]

I know. But the level of play required to get a hof spot as feral is higher than most other classes.

[oak sky]

if you accept that you might have to play boomie in prog and can usually just feral in farm its probably not that bad

and also feral might be good

you never know

• adaptive swarm and convoke baseline is really nice for the

m

[spice spire]

Feral is its own worst enemy

On god

[oak sky]

like idk

if you arent even willing to try to go hard on feral

you already failed

think about it this way

at worst you would have to play boomie on anything that isnt st focused

because good guilds would be fine with feral if the st is tuned well

but also who knows how next expansion will go exactly

[ebon notch]

@strange python did you meet that girl yet

[zinc frost]

Been waiting for an update

[ebon notch]

Ikr

[oak sky]

same

[ebon notch]

I bet he has no idea what happened while he was stoned

And he's confused why people are asking him

[spice spire]

@strange python need sauce

[strange python]

I told my friend and his gf. His gf thinks I'm better looking than her and wants to set me up with someone else, but also wants to do the lunch to take pleasure in my awkwardness.

Lunch wouldn't be for at least two months

[oak sky]

oh so you chose a good way to handle it

[spice spire]

An actual honest gamer

We take those

[ebon notch]

Is this the start of some fanfic

Wtf

[strange python]

Nah I'm old. They're trying to make me not single and settle down

I'm at the stage where my parents are doing the "our friends daughter is single!"

[spice spire]

Just have egirls fall into your lap (literally how I met my fiancé)

[balmy condor]

L, egirl instead of bagging an i-lady

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ I already got one of your kind

[tight ginkgo]

Lmao naw I wish. I just stupidly stumbled on Dust viability but thank you homie

[ebon notch]

Is she compatible

[spice spire]

🤨

[strange python]

I don't have dating problems, I just get bored of people and don't wanna keep seeing em after a month

[oak sky]

bro i need me an i lady

[spice spire]

Wild

[ebon notch]

Don't you have one?

[oak sky]

no

why you being weird

[hybrid vale]

this convo is cool

[glass tulip]

What are iladies?

[oak sky]

how about i lay deez nuts in your mouth

[glass tulip]

The sexual tension was too much

I had to let someone dunk

(their nuts in my mouth)

[zinc frost]

Dunk this

[ebon notch]

How many fps is that pantsgrab my god

[ebon notch]

What are you progging on and how is it going

[glass tulip]

We killed anduin, only had 3 hours on our Thursday for lords, got to 7%

Dies Tuesday and onto ryggy

[ebon notch]

Nice good luck

[glass tulip]

Tyty

[outer lodge]

For Assa M+ on a big pack, I saw a rogue after getting some bleeds out FoK'ing to 5cps and spamming CT over and over. Is that right?

[glass tulip]

You do not want to spam CT

spend your time vendetta'ing a main target or throw up a bunch of other garrotes/ruptures

[balmy condor]

The eternal curse of the Assassination channel

CT spamming

Almost 4 years later and we still fight the good fight

[oak sky]

ct gonna do a disappearing act

[balmy condor]

I can’t wait for a random 10.x patch to make it an actual viable strat for a season just to fuck it all over

[oak sky]

black powder in class tree

remember what i said

[outer lodge]

[balmy condor]

Black powder class tree CT Assassination tree might make for some actual aoe

Wouldn’t that be exciting

[glass tulip]

shuriken storm in base rogue tree

that's it

[balmy condor]

Nah shuriken storm is the upgrade to fan of knives

Rank 2

Needs another point

[glass tulip]

[strange python]

[glass tulip]

I would spend so many points to have CP generation on fok

[balmy condor]

What if it was 1 point per 1 cp baseline

First point 0 cp

Gotta put in 2 to have it generate 1

[zinc frost]

[glass tulip]

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Outlaw is the unmatched king of 5 target cleave now anyways so

[ancient kraken]

Wl is

[vestal wren]

subtlety would win out on 5 targets sustained cleave probably

[glass tulip]

Sustained bp spam

[celest ruin]

any chance theyll bring bribe back?

[lunar otter]

hey is pandemic buged atm ?

[vestal wren]

don't think so, but give me a minute ill test it

works fine for me

[lunar otter]

okies

ty

[glass tulip]

yeep, you are late on that bug by about 5 days

[vestal wren]

thats good, he missed some annoying bugs

[hollow nexus]

Starting anduin mythic tonight, wanna play sin but sub is better i feel like. Idk if its a lot better but i dont wanna be a burden

[bleak sky]

sin should be pretty decent for anduin

[verbal sparrow]

Hey, came back after a break and im wondering if assa is playable/worth in m+, or if i should just give up and gear something else :D

[bleak sky]

playable yeah

unless you want to do super high keys

[verbal sparrow]

Im bit afraid i'll start playing assa but then get declined everywhere just because of my spec, but i think I'll give it a try anyway

[pure moth]

I pug into 19/20 as sin. Ive only been questioned once at the start for being sin.

[worn sorrel]

Should I use a macro to enter stealth anytime i press an ability?

A friend of mine used to do that for pvp

(i play m+)

[bleak sky]

no

you're in combat, don't see how that would make any sense

[worn sorrel]

theres sometimes a single second in which you leave combat in pvp

it may apply to pve sometimes, no?

[bleak sky]

no

[vestal wren]

it should be obvious in both when you drop command

the idea of just binding stealth to every ability is just so that you can't miss your opportunity in pvp

[strange python]

3 more weeks till I raid again...will have been an 11 week break by then. FML

[radiant osprey]

can someone tell me why subterfuge is better for multi targets, instead of just taking master assassin

[zinc frost]

More garrote dmg with multiple targets, MA just doesn’t gain a lot with multiple targets.

[radiant osprey]

how would i do that correctly, am i using vanish on cd?

[zinc frost]

So say with lords you open up with garrote on both targets, you then would use vanish to re-apply the empowered garrotes during vendetta

[radiant osprey]

ok sounds good

ty<3

[scarlet sequoia]

np

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

[wild crown]

hey i got a question about cooldown recovery, if i have the cooldown recovery fae on me from an allied nightfae priest will it also accelerate the cooldown recovery from things like vendetta cooldown legendary or shadowdance cdr for sub etc etc

[marble hemlock]

the way CDR works is that, say, a 100% cdr means that for every reallife second that elapses, your CD reduces by two seconds. thats why it would show vendetta as a 60second cooldown instead of a 120second cooldown once you get the fairy (and jump back to twice the cd that is still left once it expires). the cdr of the legendary for example would then work with that regularly still

[wild crown]

😦

[marble hemlock]

its potent for classes that already have a different kind of CDR, because for us for example we would be reducing vendetta from a ~50seconds cooldown to a 30second cooldown. and since it has a duration of 20 seconds, that means you basically get 2 vendettas almost back to back

[wild crown]

was hoping if id spend 600 energy during the buff it would reduce the cd of vendetta by 40 seconds instead of 20

[hallow crystal]

we anit that lucky sadly

[marble hemlock]

that'd be too powerful with some other classes

[wild crown]

yee but the fun tho

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, fairy is pretty great for some fights

[wild crown]

especially with the nightfae legendary for priest for 200% cdr bonus

[marble hemlock]

its also what enables destrolock to be so insane on some fights

you can basically get 2 vendettas almost back to back with a single fairy

you usually get another one before the snapshotted rupture from the first one runs out

its just that vendetta in itself isnt all that powerful of a cooldown compared to other classes, so having it up this frequently isnt a massive dps gain

[vast loom]

how low does flag get?

[balmy condor]

Faiery doesn’t work on flag

It’s vend only

[vast loom]

oh true true i forgot that fae wasnt urh lol

[pure moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor why do i keep getting this warning when watching you on jailer?

https://i.imgur.com/8T3TW6M.png

[drifting cloud]

its only for people with 400+ jailer wipes

[balmy condor]

cause I'm so much better than the jailer

[bleak sky]

weird that's a league of legends icon

how did it end up on wow

very weird

[pure moth]

does the 4pc bleed update not work anymore? went to redo the Wa and the update Cev did, but the string errors out for me

[bleak sky]

Don't think anything has changed

you might want to re-import it

[pure moth]

Tried and same error

[bleak sky]

might help if you post what the actual error is

[pure moth]

"error decompressing: unknown compression method (236)

[bleak sky]

are you sure you're importing a weakaura?

and not cev's plater profile?

[pure moth]

was certain. i shall check again when i log back in

[balmy condor]

error decompressing means that something is out of date

could be the wa honestly idk

[worn sorrel]

A few questions I got while levelling my assa rogue

1. Imagine you already have slice up, you open with triple garrote, any amount of mobs in which its better to use CT immediately? Or always rupture? (Not counting packs that live for 5secs)

.
2. Is it normal that I get a single CP from many fans? Do I need more crit? (Im using it on +4targets)

[zinc frost]

1. Open with CT, then use rupture

2. It’s normal to get low CP, welcome to fan of knives sadness

[worn sorrel]

Its so sad yeah

[worn sorrel]

Do you feel like you lack energy?

If I use my first builds up for slice and then for CT I feel like I have no energy left for rupture (triple garrote up)

[zinc frost]

Sometimes if you have lowish haste the opener can feel a bit sluggish.

[worn sorrel]

Whats your haste btw?just to know even if its not something to aim for

If I use vendetta energy to spread rupture I dont have energy problems, but I read that during vendetta its better to just st

[zinc frost]

My haste is 24, your prio is just getting your bleeds running on the target before vendetta. In open world and dungeons you get energy back from mobs dying with rupture on them.

[worn sorrel]

Yes but Im talking more about the beginning of the pulls

Once I have 4 garrots-ruptures it goes smoothly

But sometimes I struggle to get there, mainly when I dont have slice from the pack before

[zinc frost]

I wouldn’t stress about it, assa rogue is all about ramping up dmg. If your gear is low, haste low the opener might feel a bit slow but that’s normal

[bleak sky]

last season I was running around in m+ with like 6% haste

you should be fine 🙂

[light quartz]

sin > sub for raid?

[blazing pumice]

for the most part

outlaw is pretty strong rn

especially if you have eon

[zinc frost]

Both specs perform well, will come down to what you prefer/play better at. Just don’t play sub on lords

[blazing pumice]

I think the low effort route atm is outlaw cuz it's good at everything

[light quartz]

Just roll dice and see numbers yknow

Why no sub on lords?

[zinc frost]

Sub is just not very good at sustained 2 target fight

[light quartz]

True

[balmy condor]

You mean sustained 1 target fight

[viral pawn]

From a pure m+ POV
(Playing NF/Korayn - 2 potency conduits, only 2 legendarys, no Tierset yet):
Lethal Poisons, Poisoned Katar, Well-placed Steel or NF-Conduit, does it change with T-Sets?
Considering I have everything up for next big pull, would I ramp up bleeds on more targets or just let the 3 opener-garrotes from subterfuge and 1 rupture and CT running while heading into vendetta/priority ST-damage-rotation? During Vendetta refresh crimson I guess and pumping excessive combopoints into priority target envenoms (while keeping rupture/garrote running ofc)?
Crimson Tempest even on pure ST? Do it not refresh it during shiv windows but instead spend CPs on envenom?
Thank you for the help

[zinc frost]

In m + you’ll want to get as many ruptures on as many targets as you can since it’s a huge source of our dmg and energy regain.

Keep CT up in ST but at a low prio (snd refresh, garrote, rupture take prio over CT)

As for NF and conduits, they seem fine, I’d personally sim them in dungeonslice though. Necro/venth are better covenants for m+ tho

[subtle tundra]

Wow wall of text

[violet jackal]

Wall of curiosity

[vestal wren]

i am not sure if PK is worth it, but i also would probably play necro in keys if i played assassination.

For more target, it is usually better to apply bleeds/sbs to multiple targets and don't fall back to priority rotation with the minimal bleeds to sustain you.

If you do prio, i would handle it like subtlety and only do it if it makes sense for the pull and helps you bring down the timer.
But in general the prio target damage of assassination is not to the same degree subtlety peforms so it would make more sense to bring subtlety for priority damage.

You use CT in single target.

[violet jackal]

Poisoned Katar is pretty poopoo it's probably night fae conduit + lethal poison/ Well placed steel

[zinc frost]

PK definitely very underwhelming

[hollow river]

It’s pretty good with Hidden Blades

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

CT ST if you have it going.
Before we’d avoid using it in shiv windows, but with 2p it’s better,
As for conduits, I haven’t used the NF Specific one in uh. Whenever 9.0 was, but LP + WPS is fine, that or either one + NF if it’s any good.

[gusty mirage]

NF one was changed quite a bit since 9.0

[spice spire]

Ye I know

[gusty mirage]

It really juiced sepsis

[spice spire]

Haven’t been NF since then

[gusty mirage]

Do it. Go nf

Right now. Leave work. Swap covenants

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

Peer pressure

[viral pawn]

Thank you guys for the answers - however let’s say you engaging the 4pack pull in NW right at the start: should I really setup multiple ruptures before going into shiv/vendetta on the priority target? I feel like I won’t have enough time to setup multiple instances of rupture before focusing on actually killing the prio target

[fallow canopy]

or play sin in m+ and be top 10 world with 2000+ m rating

[gusty mirage]

got me excited for nothing

[storm onyx]

this is a recurrenet topic; once explained 'quite' hastily by someone with the experience:

[fallow canopy]

lol, at least there's more than 30 sin rogues on your server

[storm onyx]

Think he was in a 29 while typing that

[violet jackal]

built diff I guess I wish I got invited to 23 and higher keys this week

[gusty mirage]

almost got to ksm as sin

[gusty mirage]

yeah I actually do damage in keys

[fallow canopy]

I'm almost at 3k with sin but been a couple of rough weeks irl

hopefully I'll get it before the month ends

[gusty mirage]

god bless you

[fallow canopy]

(just for the bragging rights)

[gusty mirage]

played sin first week of the season

and a few spot points outside of that

never again

[subtle tundra]

rogue never again

until its good of course

[gusty mirage]

based

I've done more keys on my destro lock than my rogue

[fallow canopy]

no one can stabby stab bleedy bleed halkias shards like we do

[gusty mirage]

[storm onyx]

:sad:

[gusty mirage]

if Imma be forced to press 2 buttons

I might as well do damage

ya know

[zinc frost]

Shiv dat ass

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[zinc frost]

Blame @subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

get shivved stupoid

[spice spire]

I find mfs like u real interesting

[bleak sky]

I find mfs like u real lovely

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

Assa chat best chat or what

[spice spire]

Or what

It’s just OT #2

Chat’s as slow as our rotation on god

[gusty mirage]

you watch your whore mouth

[spice spire]

Zoomerless OT

[gusty mirage]

thank you

[spice spire]

Except agreon, but he’s chill af

[zinc frost]

Sin chat moves fastest when it’s OT talk

[gusty mirage]

woah slow down my boomer eyes can't keep up

[ebon notch]

Our spec is solved bro

There's nothing else to talk about

[spice spire]

Cev gonna return with 438 optimizations

[ebon notch]

[fallow canopy]

exsanguinate eye of the jailer secret tech

[zinc frost]

Cev

Hopefully the man comes back nice and refreshed

[ebon notch]

It's ok I'll recruit him to my guild

!ban @burnt latch

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Oxi why no work

I thought you gave me powers

[gusty mirage]

bro

I can't even ban

[burnt latch]

WHAT

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[burnt latch]

AGAIN

why u tryna ban me

[ebon notch]

[burnt latch]

daps

[umbral rapids]

Ban him

[gusty mirage]

I can mute for 28d though

[burnt latch]

any raids

[ebon notch]

Wtf

[burnt latch]

i need a vault

[ebon notch]

We've done our raids this week

[burnt latch]

pretty lame

ngl

[gusty mirage]

who's looking for a 1 month break from RH?

[ebon notch]

Jailer is dead we don't raid 58 days straight anymore

[burnt latch]

joe

[ebon notch]

Deez

[burnt latch]

Candice

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage lots of people apparently bro

[burnt latch]

ye give it to them big man

[ebon notch]

Oh no he timed me out

[burnt latch]

fake news

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

dude actual sadge

the group i was meant to do a 5 box reclear

we couldnt get enough players so called it

need a box

[ebon notch]

You sound like ramfam now

"hey bro know anywhere I can get a raid??"

[burnt latch]

dude

we start raiding with my guild when 20 people say that they want to

we got to

19 this week

and now this alt raid got cancelled

actual pain

[woven needle]

We have nights like that

Struggle of being on a low pop realm

[prisma cypress]

it's like that on high pop realms too

[light quartz]

Rather have one pug than have no raid lol

[violet jackal]

Just invite me I want to raid

[unreal kayak]

Could i get a log review on lords progress please ?

[gusty mirage]

sure

post the log

[polar cape]

🪵

[gusty mirage]

[harsh anchor]

That was funny ngl

[strange python]

decent logs, however u can improve by chopping them both one more time in half, would save u some space and it's more efficient 😂

[gusty mirage]

I hate it here

[zinc frost]

I’ll give you a log you can review

[gusty mirage]

listen, don't offer if you aint going to deliver

[unreal kayak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hWVQgnFJLxYNHBzr/

[gusty mirage]

HEY

I WAS DOING THAT

[vestal wren]

oh sry, i was to fast then

[zinc frost]

Package too big to send sorry

[thorn fjord]

Just started holandrus prog yesterday and man am I bad

Uptime goes to shit after first shock

I’m getting beat out by a fucking WW 😑

[viscid spear]

Just gotta do the fight enough to feel comfortable, nothing new

[thorn fjord]

Keeping CT up and refreshing rupture at the end of vend is racking my brain at the start of the fight

[viscid spear]

Also blame the other players

[thorn fjord]

Because I keep hitting the god damn circles lmao

Oh I blamed our ele 🤣

[strange python]

You might have too many people in melee

Also you can dodge underneath the boss, the ticking damage isn't huge for a second

Esp when planetcracker comes around melee

[thorn fjord]

I’m in between the first tank and the Ench sham

Ok so I can shimmy up right under him for the 2 seconds after shock?

[strange python]

Our tanks ran out for missiles

I did that yeah, damage is pretty low on that fight outside reclaim.

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha I’ll try that

[strange python]

I would dodge planetcracker by running under him and around the circle, but only if I had no other paths

[thorn fjord]

Will cloak negate the circles also?

[sturdy merlin]

No because it's physical damage

[strange python]

Missiles? Don't think so. Planetcracker yes.

You will likely want to keep cloak for a planetcracker during reclaim, to knock back a mote.

[thorn fjord]

Planet cracker I meant

Ok cool.. I knew missles couldn’t be soaked

Er not soaked cloaked*

[glass tulip]

Feint for planetcracker

I mean missiles

Now you have me confused on the abilities lol

[spice spire]

Yeah you feint missiles

[thorn fjord]

Yep ty 🙂

[outer lodge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[ebon notch]

ill feint you

[gusty mirage]

damn bro you sure got him

[ebon notch]

ty :3

[cold rampart]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bd7Wy9MALxQ8jwtB/#fight=75&type=damage-done&source=12

could someone open a thread for me pls

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage promote me ill do it

[spice spire]

Say less

[ebon notch]

ok say less about what

[spice spire]

Deez

[ebon notch]

i think i scared the guy away in log review

did i do good

[violet jackal]

looks good

agressive but good

[hollow river]

272 doesn't do better for me

[ebon notch]

fr?

always did for me

[hollow river]

ye

it's always margin for me, within like 3 dps

so i never spent the valor on 272, but i'm sure it's better for 2+ target

[spice spire]

You did great

I often go easy on people

But in depth is always great

[kindred rapids]

Yeah same

Significantly better

[uneven hamlet]

It was good

[timid cloud]

Quake too toxic

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch

told you

[echo geyser]

i been refreshing that all week only warchief hooked me up

[ebon notch]

o you found a group?

[echo geyser]

no i went to make dinner instead

try again tomorrow

ill have to settle with 2 boss

[ebon notch]

i thought he hooked you up??

[echo geyser]

yeah he did invite me but i didnt go

[ebon notch]

wtf

[glacial crypt]

Not got a group this week but have first 5 spot available if you'd like on Fri next week

just lmk

[echo geyser]

id love to if it was monday/tuesday

[glacial crypt]

Haven't found a group that clear on those days just yet 💔

[echo geyser]

[viscid spear]

frens are always nice

[glass tulip]

Ash no

Why are you yellow

[spice spire]

He’s zooming brøther

[glass tulip]

5T cleave champion

I could never

[echo geyser]

what the heck ur right

ashlaw? @viscid spear

[viscid spear]

Doing H Jail prog as Outlaw

[echo geyser]

fun

next time we do jailer i will go outlaw

[viscid spear]

All I know it, I do well enough to not be a problem

Also: Sub > Out > Sin in terms of the color hierarchy here, it seems

[spice spire]

You were name dropped in gchat papi as an outlaw Nostradamus

[echo geyser]

[viscid spear]

[oak sky]

nastradamus

goat albun

m

[gusty mirage]

try it

[worn sorrel]

Which WAs do you use?

I mean the general one to track the dots

.
Im trying afenar wa package, but CT doesnt highlight when in pandemic unlike garrot and rupture

.
Do you have any WA that highlights every dot and slice?

[true pelican]

you can just edit it if you like the look of the package

[worn sorrel]

How do I edit it to make it show pandemic on CT?

Any guide somewhere?

[true pelican]

add a condition
if
trigger 1 remaining duration <= (choose duration here)
then
glow visibility (click the box)

[worn sorrel]

Thank you!

[oak sky]

first set of quasars makes me wanna cry ong

[ebon notch]

why

[oak sky]

because you lose like 2 vendetta globals

[ebon notch]

you mean if you have to soak on first set or

[oak sky]

yeah

[ebon notch]

its not terrible

if ur efficient you can dot up the core and then step back to boss and 5cp rupture into the end of vendetta

[drifting cloud]

cant you just afk now and go in late?

[oak sky]

ive been going in late

[drifting cloud]

with 12s lol

[gusty mirage]

kinda

[oak sky]

but its still -2 globals

[ebon notch]

i havent done it post nerf

is it 12s inside the phase or what

[drifting cloud]

no the shit stays on the floor 12s

[ebon notch]

oh

[gusty mirage]

yeah

lol

[ebon notch]

idk if i dont take it insta someone else will snipe it

and ill get flamed

[glass tulip]

If I had a mace I would

[ebon notch]

Loot from dungeon

[glass tulip]

i'll go farm a pox

if this isn't worthy of #assassination I don't know what is

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxe8fvZKsgPQBq006Xh07dVFOY96WPlBaN

[burnt latch]

@ebon notch

Heard u had some drama over at the pirate channel last night being elitist

!ban dapsman

[bleak sky]

that's him in every channel man

ever since he raided with jpc he's been like that

smh my head his 10 sec of fame really changed him

[burnt latch]

Actually true

[balmy condor]

(for a week [jpc raged out of the group {they sucked}])

[bleak sky]

man got covid just to get out of raid

[burnt latch]

He pm’d me the other day cuz he saw me do a rotational mistake in a key and called me a washed up raider

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

he shows up in my stream for jailer prog and goes "don't shadowstep there"

but he has to make sure he's heard

so he uses text to speech to say it

and then begs mods for a refund

[burnt latch]

LMAO

Sounds like daps tbh

Mans hungry for fresh tech and dps gains

He said he’d ditch all of us for a 20 dps increase that only he could obtain

Us casual gamers could never understand the way he operates

[bleak sky]

[fleet imp]

Gamers, Cache is back.... haste during vendetta else bleeds?

[balmy condor]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[glass tulip]

tts to backseat is some next level tech

[steel ridge]

uh yeah spread it

[balmy condor]

he's helpful so I forgive him

[bleak sky]

4 priests healing

[glass tulip]

On lords we have 5

[oak sky]

daps

[glass tulip]

5 priests + rdruid

[oak sky]

we had hpal 2 priests 2 rsham

[fleet imp]

Another question on how to refresh should be done during the vendetta:

Do I keep refreshing during pandemic all the 3 dots?

Feels awkward to almost never use envenom...

After vendetta goes off I should wait till the poisons go off due to snapshotting before refreshing them right?

[steel ridge]

you use envenom for slice and dice uptime

its fine to let crimson tempest drop off if you need to maintain slice and dice

[fleet imp]

Question is not about snd but how and when refresh the poisons

[steel ridge]

you dont refresh any poisons manually

[glass tulip]

[steel ridge]

during vendetta you refresh your bleeds at the end to get the most out of the overhang

aggressively refresh them if necessary

[glass tulip]

Refresh them in pandemic, just like normal, and then do rupture and garrote again in the last 3 seconds, no matter what

[fleet imp]

That is still not my question 😂 @steel ridge

[fleet imp]

Thx

[glass tulip]

Yeet

Just remember that pandemic is also cut in half during vendetta

[balmy condor]

[glass tulip]

Silence sub main

[balmy condor]

[fleet imp]

Good enough this was in my knowledge 😂 #pins gaming

[steel ridge]

idk how its even possible to have a garrote duration of more than 7 seconds during vendetta AND at the same time being able to apply it (6 seconds cd)

[glass tulip]

If you do it correctly you should always be able to force reapply under that logic

Go back to pressing shadowblades

noob

[balmy condor]

Not me playing sin on lords

and then ryg

and then jailer

[fleet imp]

Well... Ive also swapped sin starting rygelon. Feels great to not give a F about quasars

[steel ridge]

thats the play

[fleet imp]

Feels less great to be sent in the dark phase on pull

[glass tulip]

the prodigal son returns

[drifting cloud]

enjoy rygelon guys its only suffering after

[balmy condor]

jailer good

[drifting cloud]

whats your best whispyr

[balmy condor]

72

[drifting cloud]

[fleet imp]

Rygalon nerfed, again.

[drifting cloud]

yeah once you get to like 50 you can say youve made some prog, then youre gonna wipe some more between 50-25

and ofc in true blizz fashion the last part is the easiest

atleast its not a 14min boss fight am I right

[glass tulip]

Are people lusting on pulln or nah

[drifting cloud]

not anymore

[glass tulip]

Standard P3 now?

[drifting cloud]

p4

[glass tulip]

Should be in jail by the end of next week at the latest,

[rigid tartan]

nerfed again? Isnt this raid right now way easier on mythic than heroic on prenerfs?

a bit exaggarated 😄

what are they on about him feeling harder in 9.2.5 with bugfixes? We havent killed it since our firstkill that was pre the nerfs before but I dont know what they could mean with bugfixes making it harder

[drifting cloud]

thats why they nerfed his hp

by bugfixes they mean kyrian destro locks

[rigid tartan]

oh okay

[glass tulip]

"We fixed the broken strat, sorry"

[drifting cloud]

did it deserve 5%? probably not, but lets round it up for a nice number

[glass tulip]

Have they ever done something like that smaller than 5%

It wouldn't make sense to make it like a 2.7% nerf

[drifting cloud]

yeah I guess youre right, Im not sure if they ever did 2 or 3%

[midnight atlas]

Hey guys, i'm working on my own WA rogue pack. anyone can tell me what's the pandemic period for crimsom tempest to make it light up ?

3.5s?

[rigid vessel]

3.6 then

[glossy turret]

Always 30% of total duration, you should make one when playing deeper and one without

[midnight atlas]

got it. thanks

[prime narwhal]

are we still using Zoldyck for M+?

[zinc frost]

Better to use dusk

[prime narwhal]

should I be building crit/mastery if I use dusk in M+?

[zinc frost]

Sure

[burnt latch]

@ebon notch

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch @bleak sky can you stop flaming me while I'm asleep wtf

[burnt latch]

why u sleeping

there might be new tech discovered while u sleep

and u miss out

[ebon notch]

Fk u

Also @balmy condor you'll thank me when you get rank 1 jailer

[burnt latch]

did u read up on the new tech about holding

[bleak sky]

huge hold tech

[ebon notch]

Holding deez nutz?

[burnt latch]

nope

holding this

[ebon notch]

Nice

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

There can be holding tech if you play nadjia

Line up second vendetta with first thrill seeker proc

But you delay flag like 10 seconds

[burnt latch]

that would require planning of cooldowns

and gamers dont do that

[bleak sky]

bro stop being a nerd

[soft shale]

just count the autos

[ebon notch]

I'm sorry :(

[soft shale]

when it comes 420 or 1337 the secret tech unlocks

[bleak sky]

lining up stuff = L gameplay

send stuff = W gameplay

[burnt latch]

factual statement

ive never had a single thought in my mind when ive pressed cds

[bleak sky]

[burnt latch]

just send it

[ebon notch]

Ok

I've just made

The biggest brain play

I gave up my spot on first anduin reclear to JPC

[burnt latch]

simp

[ebon notch]

??

[bleak sky]

good play daps

[ebon notch]

No shot I'm sitting there for 2 hours

[bleak sky]

bench is best spot on anduin

[ebon notch]

I have a 0 log on that boss I need to fix lmao

[burnt latch]

i havent pulled that boss once

so

take that

[ebon notch]

Ahhahaha

Maybe you're one of korruptios "farm raiders"

Until cev comes out of retirement 👀

[limber lion]

hello

[ebon notch]

WHAT

[burnt latch]

that would require us to do Farm

[ebon notch]

I think I just saw a ghost

[soft shale]

he felt a disturbance in the assa force

[burnt latch]

also Cev

[ebon notch]

When did you get back in here wtf

[ebon notch]

I miss you

[bleak sky]

he heard you talking about holding cds for thrill seeker

[ebon notch]

Already spoke to him about it

[burnt latch]

i fucked my exam to uni grand about 2 hours ago

[ebon notch]

Old news

[ebon notch]

Why

[burnt latch]

and some cunt outside gave me a ticket to go to Kaivo for an afterparty

wanted to scream at him

[soft shale]

lariat his ass then garrote him

[burnt latch]

stupid idk skill issue

[limber lion]

Fuck

[soft shale]

show your assa dominance

[ebon notch]

Did you study for it

[limber lion]

I had the worst hangover after the hockey game. I don't even follow hockey but I got super wasted.

[ebon notch]

I saw you doing an awful lot of keys

[limber lion]

Was in Siltanen and Mascot a few days ago as well

I guess I'm an alcoholic now that I don't play the game anymore

[ebon notch]

Is Brian back

[burnt latch]

yeah I studied a bit. and dude same, after the hockey game AND after the bosnia game on the weekend

[bleak sky]

gz you're officially european now

[burnt latch]

I woke up and my phone was in some strangers car 10km away from my house, not a taxi or anything

no idea how it got there

unlucky 112 angle

[limber lion]

Someone yoinked

[ebon notch]

You guys are lucky Finland is such a nice place

If that shit happened in Russia you'd be goner

[burnt latch]

probably, he said to police that someone gave it to him but doubttt

[bleak sky]

wdym nice
warcieft paid 30 yuro for mcdonalds

how is that nice

[burnt latch]

LOL

[ebon notch]

Cause when he got hit by a car while drunk

It was free

[limber lion]

wtf did you buy for 30 buckeroos

[ebon notch]

We had this discussion

[ebon notch]

Let's just say he can't tie his own shoelaces yeah

[bleak sky]

yes but you could always NOT get hit by a car

[burnt latch]

easy bis order

[bleak sky]

have you ever thought about that daps

don't get hit = always free

[subtle tundra]

today i got the tuesday bucket, the hot bucket from kfc but it cost like 5-6 euros

[ebon notch]

That's an American attitude

[limber lion]

Oh that's not too bad, 20ish euros is fine

I would have taken a McFlurry instead of the nugs/cheese

[bleak sky]

kfc

[ebon notch]

Minmaxing the McDonald's order

Cev is back

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McFlurry delivered isnt it

i always get one if I dont get it delivered

[limber lion]

Also wait hold up a minute

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mcdonalds is bad anyways

[limber lion]

Did you live in the middle of nowhere or something

[subtle tundra]

taste shit

[bleak sky]

stfu clown

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nah Aurinkolahti

[bleak sky]

go play monk

[subtle tundra]

NO.

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so kinda but not

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Isn't all of Finland in the middle of nowhere

[limber lion]

QP+ is 9.95€ and Cheeseboys are like 1.20

how are you paying 2.45 for a cheeseburger

monkas

[ebon notch]

Minalba how fast are you

[burnt latch]

ye the mcdonalds next to me has inflated prices idk

its weird

[limber lion]

that's nuts

[bleak sky]

in what sense

that question is very broad

[burnt latch]

the one a bit further away has the normal prices but the delivery from theres more expensive so it evens out

[limber lion]

I don't think Aurinkolahti is particularly a bourgeois place either

[subtle tundra]

16 seconds, counted.

[ebon notch]

Xd

[limber lion]

I mean it has some rich folk in it sure

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The Finnish Riviera