assassination

[marble hemlock]

Now i kinda want it to be intentional so you look like an idiot

[final star]

Don't you diss the metussy

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

I hope all your bonespikes deflect

[marble hemlock]

Woooow

Great comeback. Well played.

Happens way too often on jailer :(

[rotund oak]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/pandemic-dots-and-hots-bugged-after-patch-9-2-5-327223?fbclid=IwAR1_HhBEtk1KkGIIALzPIHx5G1yUimqpYb6BAEqqXoljKYykgpZJPqSyn0c

sad times

[vestal wren]

advanced sim, just paste your /simc and this below

[cerulean nest]

got it, thanks!

mechagnome highest upgrade, 57 dps lol

[gusty adder]

how is cache broken?

[tired falcon]

Don’t work properly

Does not cycle in combat

[feral rivet]

seems EU has pandemic working now after patch

[ashen scroll]

Na is the beta tester

The consequence of being first

[feral rivet]

gonna doublecheck myself tho, just read it in feral chat from those that got in first

yeah it works

cache seems to cycle but not until its done sword 2-3 times or something?

[storm onyx]

it didnt even activate in fight for me, I press but it didnt fire

[feral rivet]

guess they tried to fix it for EU then

cause i defo could use axe once it eventually cycled there

second test it took 5 cycles to leave sword and i couldnt use it until it changed to axe

so its completely busted

[vestal wren]

from what i tested, haste seem to repeat if you use any ability during it
other players also reported it to completely break to the point using it wouldn't work

#subtlety message

^ i video clip of haste repeating

[vestal wren]

seems to cycle fine if you don't use abilities but repeats else

[feral rivet]

yeah i just saw your comment, does still seem to be the case on EU

so its only the pandemic that was fixed

[red plaza]

lol the only busta playing through pandemic bug

[glass tulip]

oh we were trying dont you worry lig 🤣

got to P3 a couple times and just flopped, hopefully fixed by tomorrow

[oak sky]

catch me playing ethical with a 0 parse tbh

[glass tulip]

you mean doing 30k ST only

[oak sky]

other rogue in my guild had 4x the black powders

tbh

[glass tulip]

tell him he needs to go to ethics class

[oak sky]

i played full ethical

because i didnt give a fuck

like none of my prog was on sub and everything was scuffed

but i didnt pad a lick

so

[trail orchid]

Morning guys, can i use prepull leggy i am using for sub also use for assa?

starting with SnD and 15% dmg buff?

[zinc frost]

Doesn't work for assa

[trail orchid]

sadge but yea

[zinc frost]

Dmg buff also doesn't work for sub anymore only SND

got fixed a while ago

[trail orchid]

so very minor gains only from snd

thank you

[zinc frost]

Np

[red plaza]

Not even a gain from SnD because vanish is a big dps CD for assa

[vestal wren]

it is only relevant for subtlety outlaw also does want to use vanish rotational due to cto

[glass tulip]

@oak sky is in a gigachad guild

first lock-in of 9.2.5 lol

[zinc frost]

Huge gamers

[scarlet sequoia]

another one

[vestal wren]

nicu

[fleet imp]

Reclear or absolute rng god?

[scarlet sequoia]

u waht

[balmy condor]

He has 3 mythic vault slots i think it was his first kill

Idk, he’s probably some random

I’ve never heard of a “raz” before

[scarlet sequoia]

wtf noob

[balmy condor]

Sounds like a type of cheese maybe

[vestal wren]

probably bought a mythic boost

[balmy condor]

Yeah honestly disgusting behavior

[scarlet sequoia]

do cross faction mythic raids work

can u 2 mods answer that

[balmy condor]

Yes

[scarlet sequoia]

great

ty

[balmy condor]

np - raz 2022

[vestal wren]

is there still a bug with pandemic?

[zinc frost]

Ah yes the famous raz vault

[balmy condor]

There was when I went to bed about an hour ago

Havent heard anything

[scarlet sequoia]

get that checked prob

[vestal wren]

is it pandemic in general or something more specific

[balmy condor]

All pandemics

[vestal wren]

rupture refreshes perfectly fine for me

snd/rupture on subtlety too

[zinc frost]

Someone was saying EU weren’t having pandemic issues

[balmy condor]

Resto druid was bitching, as was the spriest, hunter beast cleave wasn’t doing things properly, misdirect was auto-shotting even when they turned their back

Was a terrible night

[vestal wren]

seems fixed

should we remove it from the pins to not cause confusion?

[balmy condor]

Jailer mace had the same issue as cache

We have 7 jailer maces in raid

[vestal wren]

lol

[balmy condor]

We wiped to rygelon enrage on prog with 3% hp

With all the bugs

And 3 caches not working

Fucking kill me

[spark scaffold]

Cache still bugged after pandemic fix?

[vestal wren]

yes

[spark scaffold]

[vestal wren]

it basically loops back to haste if its up and you use certain abilities

and if you trigger the loop, you can't use it before it refreshes

rupture/snd don't trigger the loop

but mut/fok do

[potent dagger]

Any insight about how well outlaw is doing after the buff ?

[midnight mist]

if u use sword on pull does it brake again when trinket come off cd again?

[vestal wren]

!fuu the spreadsheet is updated dritzz

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

it did not on my dummy testing

[potent dagger]

Nice thanks mate

[vestal wren]

the only thing i found out was the sword(haste) interaction mentioned above

but other people did talk about it completely breaking, so unsure

[midnight mist]

i wonder if blizzard tried to fix the random reset of the buff at start of a boss

[vestal wren]

my guess is that someone changed the refresh logic and did a upsie that wasn't obvious

[winter gale]

I now have that unity wa popping 24/7

[vestal wren]

it is broken

[winter gale]

Ok, ok

[vestal wren]

The GetPlayerAuraBySpellID API no longer returns information about hidden auras

[winter gale]

Ill just reequip it whenever I change sets

[vestal wren]

you basically can't get the information now

[winter gale]

That should fix it

[vestal wren]

9.2.5 Update:

• Pandemic bug is fixed
• Cache of Acquired Treasures is still buggy,
  Sword(Haste) bugs out and loops after using most rotational abilities.
  The trinket is not usable when bugged out before the weapon refreshes/changes.

[subtle tundra]

guys

wtf?

i have 2 285 items with avoidance now

[vestal wren]

varas

hacha did say that avoidence now increases your damage taken (haven't confirmed yet)

[subtle tundra]

GOOD.

its on rogue.

[scarlet sequoia]

[zinc frost]

Close to 17k sim yet?

[scarlet sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m3JAijtN2RX48FCYcEmrnA

semi i guess

[vestal wren]

human for pvp?

[scarlet sequoia]

best for pve too and favorite race so works out

[vestal wren]

dwarf for bleed removal
night elf for shadowmelt
both seem like competing options

[scarlet sequoia]

m+

u know i dont do much of that fuu

[subtle tundra]

yea but do you have 2 285 avoidance items?

[scarlet sequoia]

sadly not

down bad

[subtle tundra]

wow, you not very skilled

[gusty mirage]

best thing to wake up to

[burnt latch]

Smh not even jailcer neck

[vestal wren]

i did remove your pin, hope thats no problem

[scarlet sequoia]

today.

[burnt latch]

[vestal wren]

also i need to confirm if avoidence does cause you to take more damage

would be kinda funny

[hollow escarp]

bis rep farming race

can't wait for jailer to die so I can go ally myself

[timid cloud]

That’d be big depresso expresso

[scarlet sequoia]

why cant u now

[burnt latch]

Maybe all u need is that worgen loving for the bossie to fall down

[vestal wren]

best pull % ?

[gusty mirage]

I was about to craft blunderbuss and play outlaw man, last thing on my mind is a pin

[hollow escarp]

I can but you need like 16 people for guild stuff

[scarlet sequoia]

ah true

[hollow escarp]

just got to P3

[timid cloud]

No shot. Please say cap…

[burnt latch]

Tell your guild ur furry worgen ways mean more than guild achievements

[timid cloud]

[hollow escarp]

I'm a night elf main

[burnt latch]

Achievements are temporary, fluffy tails are forever

[hollow escarp]

[vestal wren]

we are not in #outlaw, we don't talk about target caps

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

I think it also impacts world ranks

iirc

[timid cloud]

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE

[burnt latch]

Wr 69 is already taken, no other world ranks matter

[hollow escarp]

420

[burnt latch]

After that the race is over

[timid cloud]

Trying to be 420

[burnt latch]

True actually

[gusty mirage]

Happy reset day EU friends, hope your vaults are huge

[burnt latch]

666 also underrated WR

[vestal wren]

best wr my guild could go for would be 1337 probably

[timid cloud]

NA beta tested so EU could play the game.

[hollow escarp]

[burnt latch]

Thats not a bad rank

Pretty dank

[gusty mirage]

I took a socket and it was more dps than this, how does that make you feel?

[burnt latch]

U see what i did there

[scarlet sequoia]

ah so u have another 3 weeks to go

gg

[hollow escarp]

yeah

curious how the nerfs will feel like

[burnt latch]

Nahhh with p4 being nerfed it shouldnt be as hard

[scarlet sequoia]

there were more nerfs?

christ

[hollow escarp]

"nerfs"

[burnt latch]

I think a lot of guilds wouldve killed it waaay faster if p4 was like this

[hollow escarp]

removed some blood soaks

p4 starts at 15%

[scarlet sequoia]

p4 is easy as fuck so itso k

[gusty mirage]

Probably won’t be the last wave tbh

[burnt latch]

U cant bug it anymore

[burnt latch]

Issue is a lot of guilds banked everything on bugging it and didnt even try progging p4 properly incase bug failed, which it did a lot for those guilds @ebon notch can comment

[scarlet sequoia]

i know

but theres nothing hard about the phase just majority have no idea what happens i guess

so its chaotic

[burnt latch]

Yeah thats the issue they dont have a plan for the soaks or positioning whatever past the first two

Nice little defile fiesta

[scarlet sequoia]

ye

[gusty mirage]

@subtle tundra they hotfixed streets with this patch btw

Rift blasts from the first mini boss now crank and they made the containment cell’s HP scale with key level on first boss

[gusty mirage]

@echo geyser too

[worn sorrel]

Fair changes tbh

[burnt latch]

Ffs

[gusty mirage]

Would be if it was documented anywhere

[burnt latch]

It was so nice not having to worry about either

[gusty mirage]

[worn sorrel]

Thats true lol

[burnt latch]

Dude fuck these changes

[worn sorrel]

They also ninja nerfed bdk btw

[burnt latch]

Actually upset lmao

[burnt latch]

How come

[gusty mirage]

Yeah they just made streets way harder

[subtle tundra]

dont care im not playing

🤓

[worn sorrel]

Now you lose STR stacks when you pop a 2nd DRW, little nerf

[gusty mirage]

Fair

[burnt latch]

The first miniboss is already kinda shit with the 0.7 cast

[burnt latch]

This is probably huge for mdi stuff id imagine

[gusty mirage]

Bro fuck streets

Shit dungeon

[burnt latch]

I love it as assa

Wanna commit harakiri as sub

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay we can play outlaw now

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

They also finally fixed the group finder bug

Where your gambit would sometimes auto fill it as streets

[hollow escarp]

didn't even get ksm as outlaw yet

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

no u cant they bugged the best trinket for it

[rotund oak]

Welcome mr Raz ❤️

[burnt latch]

Why tf arent they documentingnany of these changes????

[gusty mirage]

Small indie company

[subtle tundra]

i love it as ww

i can actually finish with high overall

[gusty mirage]

Jimmy the intern forgot about it

[worn sorrel]

The buff lasted 10 seconds, and once it ended you had to build the stacks from 0. Minimal nerf

[burnt latch]

But im doing important damage

[subtle tundra]

ofc ofc

[worn sorrel]

Now you just start building right away

[subtle tundra]

the packs last 10 minutes longer but the bosses die 20 seconds faster

[burnt latch]

Fuck thats what I call efficency

Me and u are a rare breed

Only 2 assa rogues with 28 or higher streets

[subtle tundra]

🥰

[burnt latch]

I hope proczcieft has a good vault today tho

[fleet imp]

Optimal/achievable before 285s stats distribution for Venthyr sin?

Currently I have like:
1000 crit
650 haste
300 mastery
400 versa

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

close

[summer girder]

Heya i got a question about covenants. with four-set is NF better than venthyr or is venthyr still the best?

[vestal wren]

venthyr wins

night fae is just a bit more relaxed to play

[fleet imp]

Ouch... mastery hurting

[vestal wren]

and not significantly behind, what makes it a decent/good alternative

[summer girder]

so venthyr pulls ahead by a little bit but nf work good as a option

[fierce pumice]

hello dear assasins, i have a question bout our t-set, i heard some time ago..that the debuff on the target only works for 1 assa in a grp/raid..is that still the case...so its still buggy?

[vestal wren]

that bug was fixed a while ago

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[vestal wren]

^ if you want a list of bugs, the tracker is usually a good place to look

[echo geyser]

Surely random right

[fierce pumice]

thank you pal 🙂

[covert basin]

Any resources on benevolent fae? I assume you still give them to locks etc just curious

[vestal wren]

it is quite good on assassination, not so on sub/outlaw

!fuu it is in the spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[covert basin]

Oh thanks it evaded me

[scarlet sequoia]

[vestal wren]

shadowblades cdr isn't that good

or what do you disagree on?

[scarlet sequoia]

just u said its good on assa but not on sub/sin

[vestal wren]

oh sry, outlaw

sub/outlaw

[onyx raptor]

am i doing this wrong? or this is just informative and i shouldn't look at the fact that i'm losing dps if i get primary stat?

seems weird cuz i get the same values no matter what gear i have

[oak sky]

Thats because 3% haste vers and crit cant DR prob

And primary stat being a loss just means its a loss compared to the base profile the sim gives you which is 25% uptime of each buff

[onyx crane]

I just got my phial! 278 now i still need to get rid of my 246 chest and 252 dagger

Guess i gotta farm mists...

[wild beacon]

cache

[trail orchid]

theodar or nadjia is pretty much equal right? for nadjia do i go duelist and lose one dmg soulbind or go for lashing/well placed steel/lethal ooisons?

duelist is simming better for me

but im not really sure how duelist works in normal bossfights

[hollow river]

It stays on the first target you attack

Unless that target leaves the room for a phase, or dies

[trail orchid]

so like for pantheon duelist is pretty shit

[hollow river]

Yeah you’d wanna be necro on pantheon anyway iirc

[odd heath]

Always duelist for nadjia

[hollow river]

But def Theo triple potency > nadjia there

[odd heath]

And yea, Necro for pantheon

[hollow river]

Same with Lords of dread, if you can’t switch necro

[onyx crane]

278phial and 272 ooze sim better for me than hc cache and less annoying to use

[kindred heron]

I think the benevolent fairy sim is a small dps increase for assa, not a big one

Cause the sim is on top of PI

So the difference between the PI only sim and the BF sim is the real BF impact

Although I’m trying to read it from mobile so I might be missing something lmk

[trail orchid]

yea, thats true anyways

thank you

[gusty mirage]

sort of, theo with haste tea beats nadjia but it's not like an insane dif either way. You'd go DD in pure ST, and triple pot for any consistent cleave/add fights

also someone wake up Jimmy at Blizzard and get him to fix the cache trinket

ty

[onyx raptor]

that makes sense thanks!

[gusty mirage]

@bleak sky I'm trying to find answers

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

P4 is the easiest phase in the fight

[gusty mirage]

idk if you need to hear this today or not

[ebon notch]

If you learn by exposure tho then you get fucked

[gusty mirage]

but you're a brilliant young man and I appreciate you

[ebon notch]

Thank u

[burnt latch]

I agree with Oxi

Youre a wonderful human beign

never change

[ebon notch]

I'm sry I said you came quickly

I had a moment of weakness

[burnt latch]

you dont need to apologize for the truth

[ebon notch]

Ok poor oxi man wtf

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

listen man

if you embrace your weaknesses

they can't be used against you

am I a shit rogue? absolutely

do I have a small ween? absolutely

do I know where I'm going with this? Not a clue.

[zinc frost]

Not what I’ve heard

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Idek why we're in sin channel

They nerfed the spec to death

[gusty mirage]

nah nah

Jimmy fixed pandemic

we're saved

[vestal wren]

they only broke cache to make subtlety not that op in m+
(its a joke, rogue is not op in m+)

[ebon notch]

Let's go Jimbo

What a gamer

[brazen zodiac]

?

[brazen zodiac]

?????????

[gusty mirage]

?

[jade abyss]

He isnt o.o?

[hybrid vale]

@vestal wren but the stuns man

[strange python]

Daps the homey

[vestal wren]

i didn't say that rogue is bad ^^

[strange python]

Rogue bad plz buff

[violet jackal]

There no middle ground with kids these days, if something isn't "OP" (as the kids say) then it's bad

[strange python]

Nice

[ebon notch]

rogue is bad

please buff

[strange python]

Daps always supporting me

[viscid spear]

But if something is OP, it's supposedly not, according to people that play it.

[native belfry]

Rogue is only “bad” because it doesn’t provide any raid utility and potential dps is lower than other classes, that’s it

None of this actually matters unless you push to top 100

[viscid spear]

Can't wait for Dragonflight when Lock is still great and we have to hope the dart lands on us for our turn near the top

[carmine dawn]

Hoping for a rogue raid utility is so asinine at this point that it makes more sense that blizzard would just remove all of them instead

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch good thing im safe right

[fervent rune]

do we ever use ambush?

[hollow river]

That’s debatable with fights like Anduin and Lords this tier

Many guilds at quite a big ranking range are sitting rogues to bring classes that just do triple the damage for those fights

[carmine dawn]

Nah

Mutilate crit is more CP

And more dmg I think

[burnt latch]

i got benched

stop bully

[ebon notch]

nos hot

AHAHHAHAA

[burnt latch]

ye i was benched for jailer and anduin and lords

[dusty rivet]

Does well placed steel apply to our 2pc?

[ebon notch]

???

why

[burnt latch]

idk not good enuf i guess

the guild wasnt really very inclusive to newer members

so longerstanding members usually got the nod

[bleak sky]

tfw benched for rygelon

but not benched for anduin somehow

[burnt latch]

thats a weirdge

[ebon notch]

i mean its a finnish guild

ur a finn

whats the surprise

[burnt latch]

no thats my old guild

not my new one

old wasnt finnish

[ebon notch]

OH

wait

you hopped to korruptio without killing anduin/lords/jailer?

[burnt latch]

yeah after jailer was dead I left

didnt wanna ditch mid prog incase they needed me

[ebon notch]

respeck

[burnt latch]

[balmy condor]

No

[dusty rivet]

thanks

[fervent rune]

ty. I played assa last tier so I didnt know if it changed at all

[carmine dawn]

Were you ambushing last tier

Oh nvm I see what you meant

Ambush won’t change unless mutilate changes, which is probably not gonna happen soon

Ambush is ironically only really used on outlaw, for being the baseline “from stealth attack”

[spice spire]

It’s also used from stealth with subterfuge (not Venthyr)

[violet jackal]

It's also used with sepsis

[carmine dawn]

Why on subt?

Not garrote ?

[bleak sky]

ambush -> snd -> gar when subterfuge

because there's no MA so can't double dip on the cp generation from crits

[carmine dawn]

Why aren’t you garroting three times

[bleak sky]

because i don't want to pump brah

[violet jackal]

Why would you garrote 3 times in single target>?

[carmine dawn]

Why are you playing subt on st

[violet jackal]

because some covenants like it

[bleak sky]

some covenants (the bad ones)

[violet jackal]

It is a fantasy based game some people make choices for differerent reasons

[carmine dawn]

I guess

[violet jackal]

Just remember the greatest of us rogues was hard align with the fairy people for awhile even when they weren't the strongest

[trail orchid]

pandemic still bugged?

[vestal wren]

its fixed

[thorn fjord]

Patiently waiting for cache to be fixed

Using shadow grasp atm with ohial

[indigo comet]

same lol

[cerulean nest]

at 12% speed in my ST build now, absolutely zooming

[fleet imp]

quick question...
do you hold vendetta to line it up with 2nd and on flag?

mine does not align naturally

[subtle tundra]

yes we do a bit of holding

[modern nymph]

you hold it till you lose one cast because of time of fight

[fleet imp]

around 10-15s for me ye?

[modern nymph]

ye

[fleet imp]

[winter gale]

Can anyone point me towards rotation/opener pin or guide?

[vestal wren]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vestal wren]

the #assassination-faq is also a good starting point

[winter gale]

I was doing Muti - Snd - Muti - Garrote - Flag - Rupture - MfD - CT - Vendetta

But I now saw some other stuff on Wowhead guide

[vestal wren]

the pins also have some very good information

[balmy condor]

where did you see something different? I'm trying to find it

[woeful meteor]

Necro or Vent on Rygelon Mythic? Logs are pretty much split with higher ones favoring Necro

[vestal wren]

necro is better

[upbeat needle]

Does M Rygelon have adds

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

oh wait rygelon not lords

[upbeat needle]

it does

so if u wanna bone spike the little quasars go ahead

will increase your overall

[balmy condor]

you shouldn't play necro on ryg

[upbeat needle]

and prob help ranged who don't swap like mongos

[balmy condor]

don't do that

[upbeat needle]

i'd play venth tho

^

boss die quicker

tell ranged to stop being stupid and swap

ez

[balmy condor]

you're a sin rogue, you're doing boss damage

quasars shouldn't be an issue and if they are, they're not your problem

[upbeat needle]

FACT

[winter gale]

I was reading from that 1st 'Pull' section in rotation panel, my fault. U explained me laterz*

[balmy condor]

also venth feels pretty nice cooldown wise

[woeful meteor]

Ok I'll just play Vent for the rest of Raid today and try Necro next Raid and see what I prefer

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm just trying to snipe where the guide has wrong info, with covenants and lego and tier and all that it's a lot to keep track of

it took me longer to track down all the pages where I had to update it, than actually updating the venth page itself

[violet jackal]

yea but getting more resets = more bone spikes into the boss = more single target

[upbeat needle]

Damage

Damge to Boss

Though tbf I don't think there is a large enough pool to judge covs yet

Top damage to boss is Venth

but still

only 8 logs

[violet jackal]

it's within margin from the next one that is necrolord

[upbeat needle]

oh wait

that's 9.2.5 too

forgot to account for new patch

Still a mixed back for 9.2 dam to boss

idk I think this is more of a go with what u need type of thing

who knows

like you said, within margin so it honestly prob doesn't make a fuck

[violet jackal]

that's my answer all the time here 🙃

[upbeat needle]

big fact

[gusty adder]

Im having trouble figuring out when to use my CD's on 1st intermission on anduin mythic

I feel like im wasting alot popping on intermission start, with monstrosity spawning shortly after

[oak sky]

keep in mind that the only damage that matters to the monstrous is below about 40% health, and blowing your cds into that just wastes a huge portion of the cd

You wouldnt even have time to cap out your flag

[gusty adder]

Yea exactly - so Ive been popping on remnant on intermission start - but having to switch after 10-14 seconds seems wasteful as well

[oak sky]

Its not too bad if you just off ct and rupture the add

[gusty adder]

Do you have any idea about the timer from 1st dead monstrosity till next monstrosity-burnphase? Can probably hold CDs for remannt inbetween the two?

[gusty adder]

mhm, the check just seems fairly clutch

[oak sky]

You probably could but it might not line up for lust

[gusty adder]

True as well.

[oak sky]

Vendetta is a pretty ridiculously strong single target cd with the way we currently play, during that first 25s or so you probably can do more than anyone else in your raid

[gusty adder]

Another question - I get CD's up 10 sec before intermission ends - is it worth popping it for half (less than half cause pandemic) on the remnant - or should I hold for the reflection-phase?

[oak sky]

Probably hold

[gusty adder]

And if so - what do I want to pop it on - wont get full value from neither reflection, and am pretty much forced to attack the reflections i guess

[oak sky]

It feels pretty bad to send into reflections, might be best to either just play necro if reflections are an issue or just send cds asap and rupture and ct and target the reflection while only maintaining dots on the boss if that makes sense

[gusty adder]

yea, thats what I did - just didnt feel great either :>

But guessing that's the play

[oak sky]

To be honest if you want it to feel better but do less boss damage necro is likely to be a good choice

[scarlet sequoia]

new patch is fun

[cerulean nest]

seeing a lot of variety on pantheon in terms of cov/leggo. any recommendations for prog?

[vestal wren]

log split for 9.2.5

[oak sky]

Necro 100%, dusk or zold is fine

[cerulean nest]

kk

[gusty adder]

and its not meming to go necro on anduin ?

[oak sky]

Not if you need grim reflection and monstrous soul damage

You can also send a lot of bonespikes in intermission which is ok pad

[gusty adder]

true - ill think about it!

[glass tulip]

oh no lol

I shouldve done one heroic clear

[scarlet sequoia]

its mythic

[glass tulip]

I know but same idea

[scarlet sequoia]

aah

[oak sky]

!race

!races

I thought there was something

[glass tulip]

racist

[oak sky]

I wanted the racial sim string

Idrc now

Whatever

[timid cloud]

Now is the time to get R1 from Cev!

While he’s not playing the game, GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!

https://tenor.com/view/halo-jump-airborne-special-forces-gif-13892243

[fervent rune]

When we use vendetta in an aoe do we hold it till some bleeds are out and then focus that target?

also with shiv do we just keep applying bleeds or should we be envenoming

[zinc frost]

#tc-research message

@oak sky this is what fuu posted in case you still wanna sim races

[oak sky]

I was gonna send it to a guildie

[violet jackal]

vendetta applies to one target

[oak sky]

Not sure if he cares

[paper wraith]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[harsh anchor]

I just blast the biggest target with ven in aoe while maintaining bleeds on other targets.

[fervent rune]

But keeping bleeds up on vendetta target would be top prio correct?

[violet jackal]

1000% yes

[fervent rune]

also with shiv do we envenom or keep applying bleedss?

[violet jackal]

shiv on cooldown continue rotation

nothing special

[harsh anchor]

I rarely press envenom in aoe tbh

only for snd

[fervent rune]

awesome ty

[tropic rover]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[whole mason]

what pandemic bug..?

[zinc frost]

It’s been fixed

[whole mason]

yea, I saw the pin, but what bug is it..?

[zinc frost]

DoTs/HoTS weren’t going into pandemic

[whole mason]

ah, thx

[glass tulip]

trying to adjust to only reapply at 0

and not being able to walk away during vendetta

[oak sky]

@glass tulip the bug is gone

[glass tulip]

ik

I played today

I just meant last night during raid

we got to P3 and the ranged immediately missed the first golden puddles

[oak sky]

we killed 2nd time we hit p3

[glass tulip]

well hopefully we will do that tonight

[oak sky]

we couldnt phase before 2nd circles so we had to just stand in range and wait to die

[glass tulip]

no lag in intermission + pandemic should make it easy

[oak sky]

then we tank killed

really lame

[glass tulip]

no cloak?

[oak sky]

they had us cloak first set

[glass tulip]

giga cringe

[oak sky]

we shouldve probably just done it normally first set

then done immunes for 2nd set

but whatever

i literally thought of it after the kill like

we would have healing cds and stuff

[glass tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132

[oak sky]

and its planned for them to go off early

[true blade]

is Cache still fucked?

[bronze horizon]

Yup. I tested it since we're about to go into raid.

[true blade]

fugma

[gusty mirage]

Cache of Acquired Weapons is still bugged, there's no ETA on if it will be fixed.

[fleet anchor]

Sweet, Rank 1 on Rygelon, thanks partition + first pulls of Pandemic working again 🤣

[gusty mirage]

I was about to ask you to come in for me

[fleet anchor]

Take that non-Pandemic losers!

[gusty mirage]

so I can stop suffering

[fleet anchor]

Pandemic is a crutch

[gusty mirage]

true

[fleet anchor]

Seriously my DPS is like

2k higher than last night

It's actually stupid

Last night was so frustrating

We actually did the math and had some low% wipe last night

And if we had Pandemic across the raid we would have killed it

[fleet anchor]

Honestly I think the boss is fun to play but after some pulls it gets pretty boring

It was nice to get to play Necro again

Necro Assassination is so fun

[gusty mirage]

going downstairs

during opener with venthyr

is the most infuriating thing ever

[fleet anchor]

Kevin best friend

Venthyr bad

[oak sky]

ready for lords today with pandemic fixed

[drifting cloud]

with 12s on the quasar duration, just wait up for 8-10s and then go in

you can refresh dots and move out before exploding

[gusty mirage]

just don't 6 heal it like my old guild

[balmy condor]

We wiped to enrage with 3.6% to go with no pandemic, 7 bugged jailer maces, 3 bugged caches, and a very unhappy resto druid

[gusty mirage]

our resto druid yelled at me when I asked him if his hots are pandemicking

he was like "I would've been just fine not knowing this was a thing"

[balmy condor]

Also our hunter misdirects were also auto-shotting all night even when they had their back turned

[gusty mirage]

oh our hunters figured out a way around that

you run all the way out of the room

out of range

you mark

and you just don't target the boss until its pulled

[fleet anchor]

Yeah sounds about right

[fleet anchor]

We figured a way around it for our Hunters

"Don't fucking press a button until we pull the boss because who the fuck cares about a 0.00001% DPS loss from one global"

[gusty mirage]

imagine trying to tell ranged dps to not worry about a global

our boomkins and locks take turns pulling early

[balmy condor]

Our locks actually throw full rage fits when a prepull happens

MY RAIN OF CHAOS PROC

YOU MONKEYS

MY DAMAGE

I HAVE TO

[fleet anchor]

Yeah, feel that

[balmy condor]

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND

[zinc frost]

[glass tulip]

our one goes "oh... okay i guess"

[gusty mirage]

I can't wait for this nightmare to be over

rygelon die soon

then jailer jail

then freedom

[balmy condor]

Yeah no ours will sit there spamming until he gets a proc

[fleet anchor]

then jailer again

[balmy condor]

We do 30 sec pull timers

[fleet anchor]

then sylv again

[balmy condor]

To make sure he can proc

[zinc frost]

That’s disgusting

[true pelican]

but that means you can mfd snd!

worth

[balmy condor]

Yeah I don’t do that

I cant be fucked changing my opener muscle memory for +10 dps

[glass tulip]

we had 2 people die so I had to vanish and MA envenom the monstrous

[balmy condor]

I was benched for anduin

[fleet anchor]

I wish I was benched for Anduin

I was benched for a few days

Then got pulled in

Jebaited

[glass tulip]

2.6%

this is it boys

[fleet anchor]

I was supposed to be out for Halondrus

Then I was supposed to be out for Anduin

Then I was supposed to be out for Lords

I was in for the kill of all of them 🤣

[true pelican]

wait why would you be out for halondrus

[balmy condor]

Benching rogue for halondrus seems questionable

[fleet anchor]

Because we had too many melee and other Rogue was already in

[balmy condor]

Halondrus was fun though

I was supposed to be out on anduin and lords

And then my raid lead snuck me in on lords

[drifting cloud]

no complaining, only wiping

[fleet anchor]

I kinda wanted to be in on Halondrus

So I wasn't sad about getting subbed in there

Anduin and Lords though

I could have lived without 😛

[oak sky]

bonespike doesnt reset on allies right

i swear i tested it heroic week

[balmy condor]

It should if they get healed to full no?

[true pelican]

healing to full doesn't remove sbs

[fleet anchor]

It doesn't reset correct

[balmy condor]

Pog

[true pelican]

in raid

[oak sky]

yeah so its not worth if it doesnt reset

Sadge

[true pelican]

it's 100% worth

because of carver's eye

[oak sky]

i was thinking just go kevin

[true pelican]

yeah if you're not planning on carver's eye then kevin seems to sim better

[amber fossil]

So'Leah's trink doesnt seem to work cross faction

[glass tulip]

did it poggies

[zinc frost]

Gz king

[ebon notch]

what you do

[oak sky]

andy Deadge

[glass tulip]

andy

[ebon notch]

LETS GO

[glass tulip]

top boss damage >> last place above tanks in overall

[ebon notch]

:X

[balmy condor]

It doesnt get better until jailer

[true pelican]

how about remnant dmg

[glass tulip]

5.8mil to the destro locks 10.1mil

haste classes busted, he did like 6mil in intermission 1

[oak sky]

🤔

[glass tulip]

dont do it brother

[ebon notch]

ill inform you that

ur an hour late

[glass tulip]

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

have to try it at least

[glass tulip]

2222223? I'm a bonesmith enjoyer

[oak sky]

im kevin rn

not really sure

[balmy condor]

I mean in theory its like 150 dps better or something if you play it perfectly and giga pool into swarms

But idk

Lords not a dps boss

Especially not from a rogue

[glass tulip]

well yeah I just mean are my talents good

[balmy condor]

Yes

[weak crescent]

Guys how big is the difference between sub and assa ?

[echo geyser]

depends on ur gear brother

[balmy condor]

Depends on boss and gear

[glass tulip]

close enough that whatever you are better at is probably higher dps

[balmy condor]

^

Except lords

If you play sub on lords you’re an actual fucking idiot

[echo geyser]

just play outlaw

[oak sky]

yeah go outlaw

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cZ59caT9r6EqBaguUd4CcS

[weak crescent]

wuuut

[echo geyser]

big st pumpy

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Anything other than sub on lords

[true pelican]

https://i.imgur.com/mCmqAj6.png

80% of rogues are idiots confirmed

[oak sky]

yes

[echo geyser]

its true

sin is big pump on lords

outlaw should be 2nd best on that boss for sure

[balmy condor]

Is that supposed to surprise me?

[echo geyser]

sub in shambles for 2t

[oak sky]

@balmy condor im just gonna go dust to see if i can get r1 and bait people

😈

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

playstyle is a little awky

and now i have the leggo for outlaw if i ever feel like playing it

[echo geyser]

the real outlaw juice for st is blunderbluss

[oak sky]

i dont have enough gold for too many leggos

[gusty mirage]

isn't it sick

[true pelican]

not at all

[glass tulip]

my stummy hurts just looking at it

[true pelican]

it's kinda weird how so many players didn't bother swapping though

[ebon notch]

Yeah sick that he wasn't padding his ass off

[balmy condor]

Mechanic check boss

[carmine token]

y u haff to call me out like dis

I actually just made dust though so next time it'll be sin 😂

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor how you

[balmy condor]

Fine, work sucks, wondering if I quit writing the method guide

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

lords is extremely ok

this is my take

[balmy condor]

That is an acceptable take mr agreon

I am having only a mild emotional response from it, which is neither positive nor negative

[oak sky]

:hmmm:

i could see us killing it today tbh

but definitely monday

glad its so much less of a pain compared to andy

[balmy condor]

Its like a 70 pull boss

[oak sky]

HUH

[balmy condor]

Like a xymox type shit

[oak sky]

its like 40-50 innit

[balmy condor]

It took us 80

[oak sky]

Deadge

[viscid spear]

H Ryg was 90

[balmy condor]

Okay well

Theres some player quality differences here

[viscid spear]

H Lords was like 20

[carmine token]

h ryg.... 90....

[balmy condor]

M ryg should’ve been 115 yesterday

But bugs

[oak sky]

[ebon notch]

Uh

Lords was a 29

Keeping in mind our jailer pull count

Yeah

[ebon notch]

Which guide you writing rn

[balmy condor]

Method and wowhead

[ebon notch]

I mean for what

Rogue in general?

[balmy condor]

Assassination for both

[ebon notch]

Yuge

Sorry it's stressing you out

We are all very grateful

[oak sky]

@balmy condor well we got to the 3rd burn just now

[ebon notch]

Read the room agroaner jeez

[oak sky]

what

[ebon notch]

We're simping whispyr to make him happy

[oak sky]

is there like a weak aura

that tells you how long until lod

i mean

swarm

fuck me

[autumn frost]

I feel so weak this patch relatively.

[ebon notch]

The burn phase?

[oak sky]

yeah

[ebon notch]

You have the default one yeah

[autumn frost]

In assassination during keys.

[ebon notch]

Like the slr3 pack?

www.wago.io/slr3 I believe

[oak sky]

unto darkness?

is that the mech

it doesnt tell you how long until the burn

[ebon notch]

It's called swarm phae

Phase

Bigwigs should have it

[fleet anchor]

I think that is just the statistical average for the WoW population isn't it? 🤣

I would say that I mostly agree with Whispyr here. Like, I'm generally a "play what you want" type of guy, but so many people bringing Sub to Lords is very odd

Sub is like decidedly awfully suited for that fight

Literal worst-case scenario for the spec

At least for Pantheon it was always kinda w/e but Lords is actually terrible for Sub

[drifting cosmos]

for ppl only know how to play sub 👻

[true pelican]

maybe if they only started playing this tier, but last tier it was pretty much 50/50

[fleet anchor]

I would 100% rather be benched than play Sub on Lords

It's like carry level DPS

[balmy condor]

Oh its not stressing me out I just don’t know if I can support method anymore so I’m considering dropping that one

[zinc frost]

Wowhead guide BIS

[ebon notch]

You mean in terms of time contribution?

[balmy condor]

I have a lot of projects for 10.0 for wowhead

[balmy condor]

No I mean in terms of method becoming an NFT metaverse hellhole and my morals telling me to cut ties with pyramid scheme fucks

[ebon notch]

Oh

I mean after the you know who situation it's hard anyway

If it's any consolation we just stole one of their raiders

[glass tulip]

Poggies

Was he a dual-contract along with JPC?

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean they were making an effort to fix their image after the pedophile situation but they just fucking smashed it back into the ground

For god knows what reason

[ebon notch]

Money I guess

They got wr 2

But to compete with an in form liquid they need money to attract raiders and actually pay them

Liquid offers substantial monthly income compared to these guilds for both trials and raiders

How can you compete with that

Echo does revenue sharing or smth I heard

[balmy condor]

You think a metaverse guild with scholarship opportunities is the way for that?

[fleet anchor]

Raidbots should sell NFTs of sim reports so Raz could sell his top sim in Nyalotha for big bux

[ebon notch]

Not arguing for the methodology ofc

Just that that's probably one of their few options in terms of revenue streams to achieve their goals

I don't know how else they just make more money

[balmy condor]

You should sell NFT’s of mike hawk

[glass tulip]

[balmy condor]

Losing half their fan base doesnt seem like a viable option

But idk

[glass tulip]

agreon at 5% on lords, go support the lad

[balmy condor]

Maybe thats me being an idiot

And not a giga market analyst for method

Have you seen the replies to the announcement bro

Its a roast session

Even tettles hit sco with an L

TETTLES

When you get an L from tettles you know you fucked up

[ebon notch]

There's gotta be something in it for method

They must give fat stacks upfront

Or something

Or an insane cut

@balmy condor can you link the announcement I can't find :<

[balmy condor]

https://twitter.com/methodsco/status/1532032788743917568?s=21&t=FWB93jsjLu_-LZTMhFNFog

Scott McMillan (@Methodsco)

I’m happy to announce Method MetaGuild (MMG), one of the fastest growing blockchain gaming guilds, with my partners at Everyrealm👍

I’ve worked very hard on MMG the last 6 months and I’m excited to create opportunities for players in these communities. 🧵

Likes

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Twitter · Jun 1, 2022, 4:14 PM

Its a 9 tweet long thread

Of just buzzwords and nonsense fluff

[oak sky]

we kill monday

got really close 2nd to last pull

i played garbo the last pull

[fleet anchor]

That actually says nothing

[balmy condor]

Yeah its crazy

Man quoted my highschool English essays

[bleak sky]

NFT

METAVERSE

[balmy condor]

Their actual page doesnt help much either

[oak sky]

ayo

[balmy condor]

https://medium.com/@MethodMetaGuild/legacy-esports-team-method-joins-forces-with-metaverse-investment-team-everyrealm-to-launch-method-95d1f960965e

[oak sky]

metaverse

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/964494777997463562.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[balmy condor]

“Method’s history of innovation and our commitment to be at the forefront of cutting edge developments in gaming led us to our expansion into web3. With established blockchain gaming guilds starting to form coalitions, the best guilds with the strongest metrics–which Method MetaGuild is already demonstrating–are likely to dominate this growing scene in the future,” said MMG co-founder Scott (Sco) McMillan

What

Method meta guild is demonstrating strong metrics?

Where?

They have 200 followers on twitter

I dont understand

Do I need to plug myself into the blockchain like neo in the matrix or something

To witness this ascension

[ebon notch]

Ah see

[bleak sky]

yes

[ebon notch]

By lying to investors

[bleak sky]

you put your pp in the usb port

[ebon notch]

You can generate capital

[bleak sky]

connect to the metaverse

[ebon notch]

Fk you minalba I started my meme first

Get in line

[balmy condor]

Is that what thunderbolt is for?

[bleak sky]

yes

[ebon notch]

Smh

I'm going bed fk u and Ur NFTs

[balmy condor]

No

Tell me what I do

[ebon notch]

Huh

[balmy condor]

Do I listen to my morals and leave the guide in the hands of god knows who, who will write god knows what

[ebon notch]

I mean it is a conundrum

[balmy condor]

Or do I continue to make the guide because I can control the info and make sure its good

[ebon notch]

But if you can somehow force them to have a RH link there

Then as long as people come here you can straighten them out

And it doesn't really matter what's in the guide

And then you can listen to your morals

Otherwise do some weird technology wizardry and only work on the wowhead guide and use that to update the method guide like a copy or smth

So you don't actually "work" on it

But you still put something on the page

That's all I got

As always in life if you can afford to follow your morals then do your best to

But dying for them isn't always the best choice

Obvs that's a bit dramatic cause it's a video game guide but you make money off it so

[fleet anchor]

This whole page is word salad nonsense

[balmy condor]

Well method doesnt pay shit but yeah

[ebon notch]

Well then should be an easy choice tbh

[balmy condor]

I had to haggle them up to pay me more and its still less than half of what wowhead makes me per hour

[ebon notch]

They can barely pay their raiders bro

I'm not surprised

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s not about the money at the end of the day

Idk

Ill sleep on it

[ebon notch]

I know you also feel responsible for every mislead newbie

I would also in your position

But if the guide is good maybe it generates more traffic that ends up in that metaverse shithole

Lmao

Lmk what you end up deciding to do cause it is for sure a hard choice

[oak sky]

I mean

Theyll just have someone else do it ig

If you stop

[bleak sky]

yeah it's about exposure

you get paid in exposure king go get twitter famous

[ashen scroll]

For rygelon, is subterfuge actually better as necro? im looking through logs and people are rarely using triple gar in their vanish window. Wouldnt MA be better?

[oak sky]

if you sim and subt is better its better with just a single gar on the boss

[balmy condor]

Mfd MA is purely venthyr

Every other cov goes subt deeper

[ashen scroll]

dang i guess garr slaps that hard

[balmy condor]

Bleed damage good

Bleed 2 piece

Bleed 4 piece

[misty holly]

I just read the Sco post... it sounds like he wants method to be a company with employee (team) owned stock basically?

But is going about it the way of NFTs

Which I guess has two benefits. The hype of NFTs might get some investors who wouldn't look twice at a Method stock offering.

and it's completely unregulated

[balmy condor]

Its a mess is what it is

[misty holly]

I agree. Just trying to understand what he's trying to do.

Based on the explanation he gave in his post

[bleak sky]

money

[vestal wren]

blockchain and nft bring in a different clientele

[hallow gale]

what does mfd mean?

[vestal wren]

marked for death, it is a talent

[hallow gale]

ty!

[balmy condor]

My fat dick

[glass tulip]

Stop being horny around the noobs

[fleet imp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nwAdtcNgrBTKCvfx#fight=47&source=5&type=casts&view=timeline

Never played sin this patch, any good soul can have a quick check on rotation if there is some UGLY UGLY stuff?

Its basically not even 2 cds fight since we were getting slapped HARD by quasars

[strange python]

wait, now that Method goes the crypto route, how do we know they won't put a hidden crypto miner in the Method Raid Tools?

[vestal wren]

out of the scope of a lua addon

[strange python]

there was/is a crypto miner addon written in Lua for roblox

[vestal wren]

beastakeeno log analysis

[burnt juniper]

i'm looking to practice sin, was looking through logs and why are almost all sin rogue using MfD on ST fights?

[vestal wren]

because it works very well with venthyr

[burnt juniper]

ahhh that's a fair point

and i'm guessing crimson tempest for all content because of 4 pc?

[vestal wren]

CT def. took off due to the tier set yes

[shy axle]

hey, just read the faq. It says you do not evenom outside of shiv/vendetta until 30e from max. Does this only apply to evenom or do you pool that much even when using CFT for the dot? i assume no but i am not sure

[empty hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz