assassination

[vestal wren]

deathly is popular for sub

[gusty mirage]

Don’t get me wrong zold is boring as fuck

[vestal wren]

well popular is a overstatement

[gusty mirage]

And even more so when you think about how it does nothing for 70% of the boss’s health

[civic trellis]

I got burnt from sub tbh

[vestal wren]

fair

[civic trellis]

You know, when you are "forced" to play a spec during progress is kinda meh

Is zold also used in panth?

[vestal wren]

sub was only a "must play" up to the point you had 4p

what was tbh not fast to optain

[charred finch]

sorry for this question, im new, but can u put mutilate ambush in same keybind? so when im stealth i use ambush, when im not use mutilate? or is a mistake?

[gusty mirage]

It used to be early on, now people just send dusk

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[civic trellis]

dust is the outlaw lego right

[gusty mirage]

Wouldn’t recommend it, but the tech is there

[gusty mirage]

Ye, but it auto corrected dusk for me my b

[civic trellis]

ah okayy

The point of using dust in lords I guess it was to reapply garrotes

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I could see it being used for that

But tbh our damage is so irrelevant in the grand scheme of things on lords

It’s kind of like whatever

[echo geyser]

max rogue log like 25k

[gusty mirage]

But the idea behind it is to get 2 shivs per swarm

[echo geyser]

while other classes 40k

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[civic trellis]

Oh right

[gusty mirage]

We’re just there to be a warm body that doesn’t mess up mechanics

[ebon notch]

i felt this

[echo geyser]

numbing poison

[civic trellis]

Well i got flamed for using it in jailer

so

[echo geyser]

yeah it doesnt work there

[gusty mirage]

I guess iron wire isn’t terrible for swarm either

Free DR is DR

[civic trellis]

it works on your guildies tho

KEKW

[echo geyser]

yeah

[zinc frost]

Don’t forget cloak stop the start, need the stealth opener for everyone..

[charred finch]

mhhh i dont understand the bot answer, should i use same keybind?

[hollow river]

Good

Screw em

[echo geyser]

u cant bruv

[civic trellis]

easy top 1 dps if they can't dps

[gusty mirage]

You can with the addon

But you end up pressing the button twice anyway

[gusty mirage]

To get it work sometimes

[echo geyser]

yeah

[charred finch]

no no i can with bartender

is automatic

[echo geyser]

stealthbar u mean?

[charred finch]

yes

[hollow river]

Lol

[echo geyser]

i dont know if u want to

i dont have the knowledge

[hollow river]

Why would you want to press ambush anyway

We need Mutilte to crit during MA

[weak plover]

If you shiv two targets does it stack or do you just chain the shiv casts?

[hollow river]

What

[civic trellis]

shiv affects both targets if you mean that

[hollow river]

Shiv is aoe with tier set

[charred finch]

so even in stealth is better mutilate over ambush?

[echo geyser]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[hollow river]

Yeah mostly

[gusty mirage]

If you’re playing venthyr, yes

[charred finch]

no night fae

[spice spire]

Then ambush is better

[gusty mirage]

Then you’d want to ambush

[spice spire]

Does more damage

[echo geyser]

[charred finch]

so becouse subterfuge i need 2 keybind

[gusty mirage]

Mutilate from stealth is just a venthyr thing right now

[charred finch]

or stealth bar change it

understand

[gusty mirage]

Yeah what I recommend doing is turning off action bar paging, and just using 1 bar

[vestal wren]

you could use modifiers

[gusty mirage]

And then make a bind for ambush

[vestal wren]

change the macro to

this should work

/cast [bonusbar:1] Mut
/cast Ambush
/cast Mut```

i haven't tested it tho

[weak plover]

If you get CDR and grudge match is already running but shiv is off cool down how do you use the second shiv? Second target? Wait for it to fall off?

[gusty mirage]

Just send it on cd

[hollow river]

You kinda want shiv in the target you’re hitting

For poison procs doing more damage

And envenoms

The nature dmg amp is still ST

[charred finch]

seem only do mut, never ambush even if im stealth

[vestal wren]

yes

i assumed that was the idea

[weak plover]

Does it extend it do you wait for it to fall off before shiv again?

[vestal wren]

to mut in stealth, ambush for BS procs

if you want to have it more dynamic, you need to have 2 buttons

[charred finch]

yes yes, i ll learn with 2 buttons 🙂

[gusty mirage]

It just refreshes the timer

But honestly feel free to just send it on cd or wait for the first to expire

Your choice, either way its more dps

[strange python]

Block feature underrated. I have like 20 people on this disc blocked

[gusty mirage]

Do you offer seminars so I can feel comfortable doing that too?

[strange python]

When green parsing heroic players argue about CD usage, block them.

Yellow name? Block.

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

I have like 3 blocked

[gusty mirage]

Am I one of them?

[vestal wren]

betterdiscord allows you to hide blocked users, but in general i wouldn't recommend anyone to use a 3rd party client

[strange python]

I just saw a bunch of blocked messages come up tbh.

[gusty mirage]

Downloading a 3rd party client is far too much effort for me

I just ignore people it’s less effort

[vast loom]

yeah better discord has some slimy things like being able to see hidden channels so you can see stuff like officer meetings and shit

[gusty mirage]

Read the name, brain turns off

[vast loom]

its not that bad

[strange python]

Oxi talking horny uwu shit? Temporary block.

[vast loom]

but some stuff is monkaS

[burnt latch]

#off-topic

[gusty mirage]

That’s quake bro

[vestal wren]

correct

[gusty mirage]

If seli was here he’d back me up on it

[hollow river]

Do you have me blocked

[hollow river]

No

[echo geyser]

guys u think nocco kills jailer tonight? yung daps

[strange python]

This channel has a weird problem of people coming in here, saying "I just came back after a break, how do I play?" and then four days later they're giving advice or arguing.

[burnt latch]

If they bench Daps

[bleak sky]

only if daps doesn't int

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

<- daps

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Might block this guy tho

He’s toxic

[bleak sky]

block these

[hollow river]

I think this guy has me blocked

[bleak sky]

which one

me or sir

[gusty mirage]

Just because you funded all the expensive parts of my build doesn’t mean you can do that to me

[hollow river]

Sir

[gusty mirage]

Minalba’s my knight in shining armor

[bleak sky]

[livid temple]

Is Sin okay for keys around 15s? Like I'm not gonna get booted as soon as they see what spec I am? I want to get more reps in with Sin but I cba to pug heroic

[gusty mirage]

Dude rolled up with like 150c worth of shit and casually goes “I found this”

[strange python]

Sin is okay for keys through like 23s

Just play Necro.

[gusty mirage]

Yep! Sin’s very playable into the 20s as well

[hollow river]

You might get booted like

Every now and then

Shouldn’t happen a lot tho

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay I get booted every now and then playing sub

Just rogue problems

[hollow river]

LOL

I’ve never been booted 😈

[strange python]

I usually offer to go sub and play venth for the halls and sanguine keys

[gusty mirage]

“Sorry man we’re gonna go double destro”

Tf am I gonna say

[harsh anchor]

Pugged a couple 24s yesterday as Sin. Yanks my trunk

[gusty mirage]

No don’t take the dude who shits out 28k overall while eating a sandwich?

[hollow river]

“Destro is garbage you NEED me”

[gusty mirage]

How dare you, Blackvneck will rise

[zinc frost]

Did you tell them “garrote silence”? Surely that was instant invite

[livid temple]

I'm usually a Sub main, but I'm getting a little bored of it, and I've seen that Sin is actually popping off - and that it's DPS is much more consistent because sins whole tier set isn't rng like subs

[strange python]

I have never seen a destro lock do more than 15k and it triggers me

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay I’m becoming a warlock main

I already started practicing my arrogant call out for PI

[zinc frost]

Yeah otherwise you just won’t do dmg without PI right??

[gusty mirage]

Correct

PI me on CD always

[viscid spear]

Fast learners?

[vestal wren]

infuse me with power and throw faerie at me pls

[viscid spear]

l-lewd

[violet jackal]

I'm blessed to be in a guild and receive both

[vestal wren]

both is actually good on sin, one more reason to play it over sub

[viscid spear]

I don't even know who gets PI in ours, maybe Quake knows

[gusty mirage]

Doing that 26k vs that 23k huge

Meanwhile everyone else is in the 30s and 40s

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

I could literally go into lords playing a pistol shot only build

And it won’t change a thing

[vestal wren]

it is all about raid design

i do think certain fights are not super well designed

[ebon notch]

here i am sweating my balls off to put jailer on the table

and my "homies" in RH chattin shit behind my back

unbelievable

[vestal wren]

but also all rogue specs are fairly low on "burst"

[ebon notch]

im gonna stay on jailer for the rest of my life

[zinc frost]

Your warlock does

[gusty mirage]

Don’t say that

You kill soon and you’re free

[spice spire]

Lock gets PI

[viscid spear]

Oh yeah he was there

[spice spire]

Ruptured literally answered lel

And when he isn’t there the MM hunter gets it

I’d sell my soul for a warrior rn tho

[gusty mirage]

Of course

If by some act of god you have no locks or hunters?

[viscid spear]

Then no one gets PI

[gusty mirage]

Don’t worry, the frost DK or the mage will get it

[bleak sky]

all you gotta do is stab him, I believe in you

[spice spire]

Frost dk or one of us ig

Not mage

NOT THE FROST MAGE

[gusty mirage]

Fire mage during cumboost

[viscid spear]

I did a pug a while back and got PI'd consistently, felt weird

[zinc frost]

It’s even weirder getting faeries cast on you, it threw me off when I got it once

[spice spire]

I got faeries one night

It definitely flows weirdly

[viscid spear]

No warning or anything, just bam you got Faeries

[zinc frost]

I think you could make it work if you got it consistently and timed things properly but.. I don’t like it

[gusty mirage]

I got PI in a key playing sub

I messaged them and asked them to stop

And they wouldn’t

[spice spire]

Yo remember when Jez KA’d whispyr instead of you?

[gusty mirage]

@wild lantern fuck you

[spice spire]

Same shit

[gusty mirage]

I’ll never fucking forget it

[spice spire]

Idm PI in groups if I’m the best target which happened sometimes last tier

I never want that shit again tho

[wild lantern]

wow okay I see we're holding a bit of hostility this morning

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I did this to him

Brought back some trauma

[gusty mirage]

I had forgotten, now it’s fresh

[wild lantern]

[gusty mirage]

Living in my brain

Eating away at me

Kind of like how I’m stuck at work when I could be grinding maps

ANGY

[viscid spear]

PI'd a Prot Pally by accident one time in Halls

[gusty mirage]

[wild lantern]

get food, food makes you happier

you're just hungy

[gusty mirage]

Venthyr prot cranks with PI

[gusty mirage]

God you know me so well

[wild lantern]

[viscid spear]

He wasn't Venthyr, I know that much. Even asked if anyone was and everyone said no so we didn't have the bats

[gusty mirage]

Oh

Yikes

This is awkward

[viscid spear]

If I was on my Priest I might be able to check logs

[ebon notch]

mage stole my pi back from me

[gusty mirage]

Challenge them to a duel irl

Half naked

Let them pick the half

[pearl ingot]

Same here grey logging mage gets it even at halondrus :/

[gusty mirage]

YIKES

[pearl ingot]

That would solve many problems 😃

[gusty mirage]

If it makes you feel better guys

I did a log review of a guy who cast shiv 11 times in 9 minutes and 42s

And he cast flag 5 times total

We fixed em up tho

He’s good to go

He’s gonna crank and I’m already proud of him

[muted ridge]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[ebon notch]

im just destroying him on the meters instead

absolutely blasting him

[random fossil]

yo

do we hold vendetta for first swarm

inh lords

with dusk

[balmy condor]

yes

[random fossil]

ty master

[drifting cloud]

shouldnt play dusk tho

[shell kettle]

Can anyone figure me how this guy has so much carvers eye uptime on lords? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gDHcL1NQrGT2mkKB#fight=11&type=auras&source=1&ability=351414

I can identify 3 of those high procs with damaging a healing add, and a couple off of firing bone spikes at friendlies in the phase, but the rest is lost to me

[scenic nacelle]

the shade that spawns is also a possibility

[violet jackal]

bone spike ticks from his raid members

if they never get healed to full the spike never gets removed 🤯

[tight ginkgo]

Oh hey that checks out https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gDHcL1NQrGT2mkKB#fight=11&type=auras&source=1&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%24149161185.0.0.Rogue%24true%24149161185.0.0.Rogue%24false%24351414&spells=debuffs&by=target&ability=324073

pretty sick

72% uptime on that one DK lmao

wait does that also grant you the increased CP per bonespike?

[violet jackal]

yes

[tight ginkgo]

Amazing.

[fleet anchor]

Honestly wonder if it ever gets removed in PvE lol

PvP rules may not work correctly

Carver's Eye would seem hard to make work otherwise since it requires being at high health

[violet jackal]

Lay on Hand would of of removed it

[fleet anchor]

Seems like it doesn't really go away until the next Among Us phase

Actually never mind

Just not being counted as friendly fire then

Probably only immunities removing it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gDHcL1NQrGT2mkKB#fight=11&type=damage-taken&ability=324073

Seems like a pretty tiny amount of damage, may be worth it idk

[muted ridge]

question about Rygelon, if I cloak during intermission, the core wont deplete from me right? Since I dont take dmg. I insta cloak for uptime : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/46FjGthn9ybNpQJv/#type=damage-taken&boss=2549&difficulty=5&wipes=1&ability=368525

[fleet anchor]

Definitely ticking for less than normal

[sour wraith]

It's always fun having someone in raid asking what sbs is and why it never dropped off of them

[fleet anchor]

Honestly not sure why it's basically doing half damage

The DoT spell itself doesn't have a PvP modifier on it

Not sure about that one

But whatever lol

Pretty cheeky way to get ridiculous Carver's Eye uptime though 😛

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah looks like divine shield immuned it off the paladin. Nutty.

[fleet anchor]

If it was doing full damage I could see healers maybe being a bit meh about it but with these tiny ticks it seems pretty inconsequential unless you put in literally the whole raid haha

But it's still like 400 DTPS per target so I would probably not do this on prog or w/e 😛

But for some farm kill it seems relatively "safe" considering

[shell kettle]

Oh thats mega lol

omegabrain

so just spike tanks and like one other guy and get free ticks and cp

[oblique wasp]

yo bois, so I was wondering if you think Season 4 of Shadowlands will look more favourably to Assassination spec or if I will have to stay Subtlety for the throughput?

[violet jackal]

I'm pretty sure assassination has more "throughput"

[burnt latch]

Idk edge of nights kinda slap on sub

Theyre good for sin but not as good

Might impact the balance quite a bit

[violet jackal]

even with your edge of nights, subtlely was last place of the rogues during sanctum of domination

[burnt latch]

what

on what metric?

[oblique wasp]

I see, but if we would consider M+ as well? because the bois I am watching are always Sub .. and I gather that in Sub I have more utility for the team

[violet jackal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/28#dataset=95&difficulty=4

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/28#dataset=95

[burnt latch]

yeah but these stats are with domination shards

where outlaw and assasination gained massive bonuses from frost set

and subs gain from blood was average

if you look at damage from last patch without shards, sub was ahead of outlaw and assa by quite a bit

on aoe and st

[oblique wasp]

so one way or another, Season 3 is definitely Subtlety and next season as well?

[burnt latch]

S3 u can make the case for assa in some keys

next patch I wouldnt speculate too much untill tuning comes out, but just by how assa works its hard to see it becoming THE rogue spec for m+ in Shadowlands

ideally u play all 3 specs depending on what the group needs

[bleak sky]

oh yes the wonderful juiced up logss of sanctum

open up parses
40 externals

[burnt latch]

i mean assa and outlaw were def good last tier even without externals

but if I was going into Sanctum prog

with knowing how the tier went

I wouldnt make the argument that Sub is the worst spec out of the 3 specs

[bleak sky]

outlaw def the worst

sin best

[burnt latch]

yeah

[bleak sky]

sub second best

[burnt latch]

debatable, I think sin and sub were equal

[bleak sky]

perhaps

[burnt latch]

sub was better on some bosses and sin on others

[gaunt finch]

Sin was better, people just saw a few too many parses and forgot how reliable sin is

[vestal wren]

The main thing that did hold assassination back was tier set

[burnt latch]

we arent talking about this tier

[vestal wren]

also perception to a degree as a consequence of tier set aquisition problems

[burnt latch]

talking about last tier

[vestal wren]

all 3 specs ended up about equal, sub might had a better perception due to higher impact from daggers

and the frost set was buggy for quite some time

so once the frost set was fixed, sin did come back as a valid option

[burnt latch]

I dont think I'd play Outlaw on any boss on prog if SoD prog started right now all over again and I had the benefit of hindsight

[vestal wren]

all 3 specs did end up fairly strong in the last raid

it was well balanced

the first tier was probably the worse of the 3

[violet jackal]

It's ok I know 2 rogues who played outlaw on progression and reclears still performed

[vestal wren]

with assassination fairly undertuned and sub/outlaw not that great either
and after tuning just assassination as dominant option

[burnt latch]

I'm not saying Outlaw wasn't good or viable, it was very good. I just dont think it was the correct choice on prog on any boss

possibly Nine?

[vestal wren]

outlaw was early on fairly popular after people realized that sub wasn't that great

outlaw was up to the point of sin getting buffed to be the top spec the dominant spec

if we talk about very early on, sub had more players during the first weeks simply because it was assumed good

[burnt latch]

which patch are you talking about

S1 i assume

[vestal wren]

castle nathria

[white gull]

why arent more ppl switching bk to assas?

[burnt latch]

yeah

[vestal wren]

because it is overall better

[bleak sky]

perception still I guess

and sin isn't as easy to play this patch

[vestal wren]

it is about equal on most fights

and can shine on lords

on top of that, sin gets more externals

what also somewhat contributes to a better position in the wcl statistic

[bleak sky]

sub parses were also juiced up by the end of CN

[fleet anchor]

All specs were close to equal in SoD honestly.

[burnt latch]

every spec in the game had

[vestal wren]

i am actually surprised that sin has still a fariyl low representation in this patch

[fleet anchor]

Sub wasn’t close to Assassination in CN 9.0.5 buffs

[oblique wasp]

alright, I see ... so it is safe to assume that sin and sub are let's say on similar standing?

[vestal wren]

both are atm strong in raiding

[oblique wasp]

because I don't know, but assa T4 and T2 are like ... T H I C C

[violet jackal]

it's safe to assume it's a video game and you should enjoy it 🙂

[fleet anchor]

But Sub with max ilevel daggers and set bonuses is likely to be pretty strong tbh. Assassination will gain less from that by a fair bit.

But we will see

[vestal wren]

mechagon rings might have impact too in season 4, if we change to that

[fleet anchor]

Assassination is hard to predict due to the way haste from gear affects the value of certain talents and such

[oblique wasp]

now that's interesting question - I have only one character and it is only my rogue (16 years and counting) - I enjoy everything that is rogue, all three specs are just great, but assassination ... I don't know it's like I feel it inside

[fleet anchor]

But Sylv daggers are honestly just gonna do massive damage just on their own

[oblique wasp]

but I don't want ot be shooting myself in leg

[fleet anchor]

Which means Sub will fly out early either way

Just grabbing them on the vendor

Similarly to how strong Sub was at the start of this tier

[vestal wren]

sylvanas dagger is ironically also what keeps sub/sin in this season close

[bleak sky]

...scaling...........

[fleet anchor]

I mean it’s not always a good thing. Sometimes it is. It’s more just unpredictable lol

[vestal wren]

the tier set contributes to the unpredictability

[fleet anchor]

Haste has funny influences on Assassination talent and effect valuation

But Assassination will probably be solid anyway

[vestal wren]

even outlaw could end up decent

[fleet anchor]

Possible although I’m less optimistic

Their set bonus is still very weak

Daggers will still help them a bit but

Idk how they really will keep up with the other two specs

[vestal wren]

yes, its likely that it ends up behind relatively seen

[tired falcon]

hopefully

[vestal wren]

it is just relative hard to have a complete picture

some other classes also get powerful items, but rogue with sylvanas dagger gets probably one very strong option

[oblique wasp]

so now I am even more undecisive than ever 😄

[vestal wren]

what decision do you try to make, what you want to play in the next season?

[oblique wasp]

yes

[vestal wren]

i would go for the fun factor in that case

[violet jackal]

^

[vestal wren]

keep in mind that balancing can happen too

[violet jackal]

@oblique wasp are you top 10 world raiding or pushing +30 keys?

[vestal wren]

we saw pvp trinket tuning for example

in preperation for s4

[oblique wasp]

Nah, 20s are fine for me, HC raid or organizing mythic raid once they allow pugs .. I am achievement hunter and cataloguist so I don't have resources for that high play, also I am just average Joe

[violet jackal]

then your choice isn't going to affect the playability of those goals

[oblique wasp]

thank you

[oblique wasp]

thanks fuu, so I will go Assassination Venthyr then 🙂

[vestal wren]

have fun 🙂

[kindred heron]

THATS RIGHT BUDDY WHOOOOP

[oblique wasp]

damn man I am getting hyped up to rewrite all my exercise book for roguery 😄

[solid venture]

i think my guild is about to disband thanks to andy

300 pulls in and seen p3 twice

[vestal wren]

[bleak sky]

we killed in over 300 as well

saw p3 5 times in total I think

[subtle tundra]

HOW MANY?!?!??!

BRO

[drifting cloud]

dont worry youll wish you were back in 2-3 weeks

when youre 100+ wipes on jailer

and your best try is gonna be like 60%

[subtle tundra]

zzzz doing reclear without being able to parse

no windufyr either

[tacit otter]

@subtle tundra any thoughts an going nelf assa for m+ to gain some utility/cc? or kinda senseless?

[subtle tundra]

if youre gonna swap for anything you'd go dwarf/belf

im playing troll lol

[bleak sky]

i know i know

[tacit otter]

im belf atm, so only possibilty to swap would be dwarf. but thats cringe

[bleak sky]

we had a very unlucky 3 weeks of events

[burnt latch]

@ebon notch

ded?

[ebon notch]

im sitting in officer chat

fucking yelling at them

[subtle tundra]

if you want you can go nelf its not a problem, but if i were to go alliance i'd be dwarf

[burnt latch]

LOL

[ebon notch]

im so fucking beyond done

[burnt latch]

stream?

[ebon notch]

smh

[burnt latch]

whats gone wrong

[ebon notch]

its just a joke

apparently 90% of the raid does not have the endurace to do the whole fight

they reach 7 mins in and their eyes glaze over and we failed smth

[subtle tundra]

cause dps isnt a problem, its surviving

[burnt latch]

lmao what

thats so weird

how have they killed

[ebon notch]

idk how else to describe it

[burnt latch]

previous bosses

[ebon notch]

i really dont

[subtle tundra]

after like 200 pulls p1-p2 should be done blindfolded

[burnt latch]

sylv is longer lmao

[ebon notch]

i asked about sylvanas

and its cause p2 nothing really happens

sure you can die

and fall off

but your chance of wiping the entire raid is really low

[burnt latch]

403 PULLS???

jesus christ

i didnt realise its that much

[gusty mirage]

sylv was longer, but sylv also had some breaks

[tacit otter]

ye was thinking more about the silence/potential restealth because interrupts are often a mess in my keys

[burnt latch]

how do you pull a boss 400 times and still dont understand how it dies

thats madness

[gusty mirage]

bro dead ass there's people who've done DoS 1000 times and still don't understand the boss mechanics

[ebon notch]

because everyone is relying

on the fucking boss being bugged

and just falling over

they arent prepped for p4

so when we dont bug it (even though we never have) they're suddenly like

"oh shit whats going on wtf"

[scarlet sequoia]

anyone else boost jailer today

[gusty mirage]

Daps will you hold me and tell me everything will be okay when I'm wiping on jailer

[ebon notch]

yes

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

did anyone ask

or are you in the wrong channel

[gusty mirage]

[scarlet sequoia]

dont have to take out your 600 wipe tilt on me mate

dont worry about it

[ebon notch]

[burnt latch]

dude 403 pulls

is

idk id be in full tilt lmao

[ebon notch]

i died 1 time the whole night

[burnt latch]

well tbf my current guild didnt do that much faster

but still

[ebon notch]

like theres nothing more i can do

and that one death was the 2nd to last pull

[uneven hamlet]

ppl in my guild are losing in a 70 pull prog on ryg, I dunno what jailer will do to us

[subtle tundra]

who

[burnt latch]

yeah i mean i was watching jpc stream and never sad u ded

[muted ridge]

already past my raid time but anyone knows ? im bad at reading logs so cant tell if it affects orbs depletion or not.

[scarlet sequoia]

i cant imagine being on week 3 progress of jailer either

[ebon notch]

you dont take damage from the core

so it doesnt deplete

[scarlet sequoia]

it must be kinda rough

[ebon notch]

i do the same thing where i cloak so i dont die from any of the rogue swirlies

its not a huge loss

[muted ridge]

Yeah it's really safe cloak there and next cloak you get for 3rd intermission

2nd you have to sadly run out

But ty for answer

c;

[burnt latch]

is there a chance that u guys will pull the bossie 500 times

is it that far off

or nah

[shy dust]

[ebon notch]

no

[drifting cloud]

boosting vel doesnt count rae

[burnt latch]

that would be hilarious

modern day archimonde

or is it KJ

the legion boy

[scarlet sequoia]

neither

[burnt latch]

ah

nice one

[gusty mirage]

didn't kirbyau's guild pull sylv like 480 times?

[scarlet sequoia]

jailer is a 300 pull boss

max

[burnt latch]

dont know who that is

[scarlet sequoia]

if u are competent

(ur guild)

[drifting cloud]

raz you raid in w50

[gusty mirage]

oh let me change your life

[gusty mirage]

not worth it

people at that level can't fathom that other guilds aren't as competent as theirs

the rest of us peasants aren't worthy

[shy dust]

I mean jailer is heavily nerfed

300 should be around where it’s at

[gusty mirage]

unfortunately they don't nerf the stupid

which is why a lot of bosses take hundreds of extra pulls

[scarlet sequoia]

what is there to fuck up tho

at this point

[gusty mirage]

a lot of things

wdym

you think everyone in the top 500 is a gamer?

[burnt latch]

ye ngl think jailer is probably the hardest end boss of this tier so far for the people that have reached it

[gusty mirage]

less than 600 guilds have killed anduin

[burnt latch]

will see how bad it gets nerfed but its not tuned for top 500 guilds atm

[gusty mirage]

like

you think those people still struggling on andy will kill jailer in "300 pulls max"?

[burnt latch]

I think currently its tuned really hard even for guilds in the 200-ish ranks

[kindred heron]

This feels targeted

[gusty mirage]

I was right there with you last week friend dw

[burnt latch]

you know what would be interesting data

to check how the guilds that killed anduin heroic first week did

[gusty mirage]

true

[burnt latch]

like in a grand scheme of things

cuz that boss was fucking hard for a heroic boss week 1

[drifting cloud]

im 35% on jailer, didnt kill anduin 1st week

[subtle tundra]

we didnt kill it first week either

killed jailer last week

[burnt latch]

i cant remember how many kills there were in the first reset but surely it wouldnt have been much higher than 100

[drifting cloud]

100 sounds about right

[gusty mirage]

I believe it was less than 110

somewhere around 95-105 range

[ebon notch]

if you are a top 150 guild jailer is a 250-300 pull boss

even if you do not bugg it

[burnt latch]

yeah my thinking is that it probably correlates pretty well to the guilds that got HoF

[ebon notch]

p4 is not hard

[subtle tundra]

its more than that buddy

with bug

we had 350+

[shy dust]

That’s just y’all being bad

[ebon notch]

it shouldnt be that long

[burnt latch]

like i wouldnt be too far off if I claimed 95% guilds that killed Anduin week 1 also got HOF

I think

[drifting cloud]

average around 300 or even slightly below sounds about right

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra you guys also just choked

how many sub 10% wipes did you have in the last 2 weeks of prog

[subtle tundra]

ok no need to say that

[ebon notch]

im not flaming

but its true

you guys did choke

[subtle tundra]

yes

but it hurts

[ebon notch]

bro

i know

[subtle tundra]

cause we had so many kill pulls

[ebon notch]

lmao

[drifting cloud]

im at 130 wipes now 35%, I dont even know is that decent or normal

[subtle tundra]

🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺

[gusty mirage]

well you're my fav rogue

[ebon notch]

double it

[gusty mirage]

so it's great

[ebon notch]

and you kill

[fleet anchor]

Jailer is probably still a 300+ pull boss for people affected by the Anduin nerf

[gaunt finch]

So if it took you 500+ pulls on jailer you shouldnt be HOF then?

[fleet anchor]

Might even be worse tbh

[burnt latch]

what

[gusty mirage]

if they needed that nerf to kill anduin idk I feel like its way more than that

[drifting cloud]

well if jailer took you 500+ and you werent top20 guild then yeah you probably raid alot

[gusty mirage]

the nerf didn't even do anything for my guild

[scarlet sequoia]

anyone who gets hof after 100 guilds have killed it shouldnt be hof

[gusty mirage]

all I did was switch my CD usage lol

from the adds to anduin

because they melted

[ebon notch]

if you have hof you have it

[fleet anchor]

The Anduin nerf honesty wasn’t very big

[ebon notch]

what

[gusty mirage]

yea

if people NEEDED that, rygelon might do them in

[fleet anchor]

Compared to the Halondrus dumpster

[gaunt finch]

Im talking about hof guilds, not guilds without hof in case that wasnt clear

[subtle tundra]

yea we had like 3 pulls tonight on it and you still need to play the fight lol

[fleet anchor]

Which still has left tons of guilds stuck on Anduin

[subtle tundra]

halondrus was literally just people adjusting bomb timers cause we were used to pre-nerf

[gusty mirage]

idk what else they nerf without just completely gutting the fight

[fleet anchor]

Anduin is a punishing technical fight regardless of numbers and Jailer is likely worse for guilds stuck on it

[subtle tundra]

now... how do i convince my gm to get folyr in for jailer...

[vital haven]

bruh we had like 3 2% wipes on jailer yday

i wanna die

[fleet anchor]

Jailer will almost certainly see more nerfs

[gusty mirage]

tell them they need better add damage

or kill your existing monk

and say you need the monk debuff

[subtle tundra]

"dps doesnt matter, ill do mechanics NO CAP, on god, shit's lit, transcendence"

[fleet anchor]

Tuning this raid is very extreme especially since basically everyone has been BiSish for weeks and weeks

[gaunt finch]

If they take the aoe off of blasphemy for anduin those guilds will recover and the fight will still be challenging

[fleet anchor]

There’s not really much soft improvements to be found at this point

[gusty mirage]

cries in just got a 278 dagger

[burnt latch]

is blasphemy an issue for guilds?

like THE issue

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

one sec

[gaunt finch]

For the guilds still on it? Yeah

[gusty mirage]

lemme show you my old guild's pulls from last night

[fleet anchor]

Any upgrades guilds need drop after Anduin anyway 😛

[burnt latch]

hmm thats interesting

since its essentially the same mechanic as heroic

[gusty mirage]

those were pulls 204-231

[gaunt finch]

If you have a few players with high blasphemy death rates they just wipe pulls endlessly

[gusty mirage]

yep

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/950418697619656734/caption.gif

[gaunt finch]

If it doesnt aoe you wont wipe every time to just one

[burnt latch]

thats so strange to me

I wouldve thought

that later guilds would have more issues with controlling adds

when ppl get sent down

[gusty mirage]

yeah we had that too

lol

[fleet anchor]

I mean imo the real issue with Anduin is the fight is so damn long. You have to split your raid constantly. It requires very specific CC setups and timing to interrupt the Lost Souls. Lots of strict positioning. It’s just a very technical fight that is also a good 3 minutes too long. lol

[gaunt finch]

Yeah but on pull#400 its definitely blasphemy

[gusty mirage]

once people get used to blasphemy they have to figure out timing for kingsmourne

[obtuse robin]

while having multiple 20 man wide personal raid wipe mechanics

[gusty mirage]

it's a lot for people

and a lot of it is the pressure of not being the one that causes the wipe

so you overthink shit and end up dying

[burnt latch]

I wasnt in on anduin but iirc like a vast majority of wipes were to upstairs / downstairs control

[fleet anchor]

Anduin could have been an end boss. No joke tbh.

[gusty mirage]

p sure it was

[burnt latch]

and hardly any blashemphy fiestas

[gaunt finch]

Yeah, but that was the first 150 pulls at most

[gusty mirage]

our blasphemy fiestas died after like 70 pulls

[fleet anchor]

The complexity is far beyond any mid tier boss I can remember

[gusty mirage]

and any hiccups were just stomped out with the extra time from the nerf

[burnt latch]

well the boss was pretty much dead at 150 pulls

[fleet anchor]

There’s definitely incremental wipe reasons the more pulls you get

[burnt latch]

i think we had like 155 or sth

[gaunt finch]

Well yeah, thats why guilds with 400 pulls have a different issue

[burnt latch]

yeah im not saying they dont, just said that I find that interesting. thought the issues higher end guilds would have would be similar to lower end guilds, but just in larger quantities

[drifting cloud]

youre better off comparing time in combat

than actual wipe number

for anduin

[hollow river]

There’s too many fights this tier that 2 person insta wipes the raid

It’s ridiculous

[fleet anchor]

Blasphemy > Lost Soul explosions > Too low energy > Big add exploders > Fear casts > P2 Lost Soul explosions > P3 Blasphemy clears

The 7 stages of pain on Anduin 😄

[burnt latch]

I also thought fear adds would be an issue for a lot of guilds

interesting how that hasnt snowballed into a hard mechanic

[dark crag]

Wait until some guild stumbles upon anduins secret mythic phase, blizz forgot to remove

[fleet anchor]

The biggest thing the nerf did was make the fear adds less scary

[gaunt finch]

The thing is, given enough pulls any guild can learn strategy, but if you have a few suspect players sometimes they can never learn to do 1 deadly movement mechanic

[fleet anchor]

1 less person having to dodge mechanics plus less HP

[burnt latch]

since most ppl that only raid log in lower end guilds are absolutely horrible with CC and interrupts from my personal experience haaha

[fleet anchor]

Made them far less scary

[burnt latch]

yeah fair

[fleet anchor]

Probably the most impact of the nerfs was easing P2

But it’s still tricky

Does require a lot of CC for both casters and Lost Souls and it’s quite a bit to coordinate

Rygelon by comparison is still hard but not quite in the overwhelmingly technical way. At least the fight itself is fairly straightforward (ish)

[burnt latch]

Unpopular take probably but I thought rygelon was way harder output and mechanics wise than halondrus

[fleet anchor]

You can mostly see the whole fight in your first night. Then it’s just about getting better. Anduin takes many raids to even see parts of it.

[burnt latch]

At the point where I killed it atleast

[fleet anchor]

Halondrus imo after the first nerfs wasn’t that aggressive for output checks for higher end M guilds

[burnt latch]

Well not really output as the dps check was pretty lenient but hps wise

[timid cloud]

Hey, random question. If I’m getting fairies in the lich king phase for a second vendetta, I find that it’s really close to the end of the phase & I don’t think I’m getting full value on it. Do I just send the vendetta or do I line it up for higher value? For mitico prog.

[fleet anchor]

Was mostly bombs

[gaunt finch]

Did you sneak in after halo nerfs and before ryg nerfs?

[burnt latch]

Yeah tbh I only had like 50 pulls on the boss before they made it so that bombs dont explode from tank beams or spinny things

[gaunt finch]

Well there it is xd

[burnt latch]

So i didnt kill it in the original state

But dont recall rygelon nerfs

Maybe it did get nerfed

[gaunt finch]

They happened like last week

[fleet anchor]

Rygelon nerfs happened with the Anduin ones a couple weeks ago

[burnt latch]

Okay so thats probably why, i killed a heavily nerfed crab and a 0 nerf ryge

[drifting cloud]

is getting 2 bombs in a row on jailer common or is it some charid bullshit again?

I get it like every 3 pulls

[fleet anchor]

Rygelon got a 5% HP nerf and a few other things to make some mechanics a bit easier

[burnt latch]

Wait they nerfed his hp?

[fleet anchor]

Which seems mostly fair

[drifting cloud]

rygelon got deleted last week or two weeks ago whenever the nerfs were

[fleet anchor]

[With realm restarts] Rygelon’s health has been reduced by 5% in Mythic difficulty.
[With realm restarts] Collapsing Quasar Fields now last 8 seconds (was 6 seconds) in Mythic difficulty.
[With realm restarts] Dark Collapse damage has been reduced by 25% in Mythic difficulty.
[With realm restarts] Unstable Quasar radius reduced by 25%, and damage reduced by 20% in Mythic difficulty.
[With realm restarts] Cosmic Ejection damage-over-time reduced by 33% in Mythic difficulty.

[drifting cloud]

thsoe changes reduce the wipe count in half

for sure

[burnt latch]

Thats probably not gonna affect anything because u still have to play the last phase right? Or does this make it so that you could kill the boss like right after last intermission

Seems like a strange nerf

Dps check was very lenient i felt like

[fleet anchor]

Means you can limp more with a death I suppose.

[burnt latch]

But that boss doesnt have many singular deaths tho

[fleet anchor]

Quasar change makes the timing a lot less awful though

[burnt latch]

Usually everyone dies

Oh thats cool

[gaunt finch]

The %usually means you can limp through a few late deaths or missing a quasar on last set

[drifting cloud]

missing a quasar? lmao what

[fleet anchor]

Funny enough

We were trying some stuff

Most of the raid can actually survive one missed Quasar with a rally if they are topped 😛

Rally OP

[radiant osprey]

so should i always use crimson tempest over poison bomb in mythics?

[tired falcon]

yes

[radiant osprey]

thanks babes

[echo geyser]

i think u play ct everywhere

in pve at least

[violet jackal]

the answer going to be based on the math of how much damage are you getting in the partial combo with damage amp vs how much would you get on anduin alone without, that also means a longer time that you aren't swapping to anything else. my guess is it would be higher in the damage amp

[obtuse robin]

i wish i got faires

im the only one in my guild that does dmg and i still dont get it

pi aswell

[timid cloud]

[flint pond]

What’s the reason assassination is better for externals than the other specs?

[zinc frost]

Assa rogue loves haste

[obtuse robin]

and ven is strong so faster ven = more gooder

[flint pond]

is it because of the energy regen?

and I'm assuming it won't be as good if you go necro then ye?

[obtuse robin]

cuz or tier scales with haste

etc

[zinc frost]

Energy regen, damage over time, attack speed all juicy things for us

[flint pond]

appreciate it

[pallid pewter]

im sure its pinned somewhere but can someone remind me are sharpening stone best or is it shadow core oil ?

[zinc frost]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[pallid pewter]

ggs thanks a lot lad

[fading wigeon]

I am going to tell on you to @balmy condor

[obtuse robin]

[fleet anchor]

I mean it's also because Haste is basically Sub's worst stat considering they are already GCD capped during Shadow Dance

[deft bear]

not if you go into it with 0 energy

[balmy condor]

actually I play nightstalker

[hybrid vale]

It’s a nice talent innit

Good to be fast

[obtuse robin]

nadjia or theo on liv whats the vibe

[glass tulip]

nadjia the homie

[balmy condor]

nadjia the homette

[tame stump]

1guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor I'm free

[echo geyser]

gz

any loot

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

sheesh

gonna make that into tier rq?

[gusty mirage]

nah I have yet to drop bracers

so unity stays on bracers for now

[echo geyser]

good stats regardless for sin i guess

gz

[gusty mirage]

rygelon jail

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/swing-dance-swing-your-hips-dance-cute-dance-side-to-side-gif-25165719

[balmy condor]

oxi you're gonna catch up to us

we're trolling

[echo geyser]

be happy they added time to the portals on rygelon

+2sec or w/e

[oak sky]

im stuck on anduin for at least 2 raid days i think

[gusty mirage]

I send you faith and good juju my friend

[oak sky]

i have no faith

[fleet anchor]

Anduin is truly the worst. Sending positive vibes. lol

[oak sky]

im mostly just bored

we wipe to the same people over and over

[fleet anchor]

It really is boring if you know what you're doing and waiting for the others in the raid

[oak sky]

comp changes every day

[fleet anchor]

Because the fight is both super complex

But also quite predictable

Once you learn it you kinda have it on lock

There's really very little RNG to the fight at all

But the learning curve for everything on the fight is kinda brutal.. and 1-2 people who don't know what's up can wipe the raid

[gusty mirage]

I kept getting swapped between sin and sub, and then upstairs always, then 2nd kingsmourne, then 1st kingsmourne, then 2nd kingsmourne again

then my kick/stun assignment on fear adds kept swapping

anduin was rough on my mental lol

[gusty mirage]

we never got to raid together, this is the closet we'll have holding hands to CE

[balmy condor]

wow, did our dances mean nothing to you

[gusty mirage]

I've blocked out all of Prismatic

and castle nathria

[fleet anchor]

oof that's tough

I stayed Sub the whole time because cba to rely on anyone else to CC bot P2 adds 😛

Actually would have liked to play Assassination

[gusty mirage]

assassination is actually so good for anduin

if your job is just damage

it's a no brainer

[fleet anchor]

If it weren't for the P2 adds and me having no trust about losing the stuns I'd have swapped

We were so ahead on damage it really didn't matter though

[gusty mirage]

ye I was asked to swap sub so I could help burst down 3rd monstrosity & putting prey on all the fear adds

[fleet anchor]

Considering we pushed out of second intermission early at 10%

[gusty mirage]

I was a sad boy

[fleet anchor]

it's kinda w/e

Did swap to Assassination for Lords and stayed for Rygelon

Feels pretty good but that's also because I get to play my favorite Necro 😄

Did a solid 22k on Lords. That was actually a really fun fight for Assassination even if I did pathetic damage compared to green parsing Hunters... RIP

SV is busted

[gusty mirage]

ngl

all lords did

was infuriate me with the sbs CP bug

like how the fuck is a cleaved SBS 1 cp

HOW

[fleet anchor]

lol I thought they had fixed that and then realized

nope

[gusty mirage]

I found a weird work around

I opened gar x2 ambush -> snd

let distance grow

then spiked

and then I got 2cp

lol

[fleet anchor]

Like technically SBS is never supposed to give 1 CP ever

even on 1T lol

[gusty mirage]

the sbs bug

pissed me off

every single pull

[fleet anchor]

I do enjoy the 100% Kevin uptime on Rygelon

[gusty mirage]

I just swapped back venthyr

every 1cp bone spike I cast kills my will to log on

[fleet anchor]

I mean I don't even care about the CP at this point, for Rygelon it's more just about perma Kevin debuff since you get so many double refunds

[gusty mirage]

I do

I expect a multi billion dollar game developer to fix their game

[fleet anchor]

Fair

[gusty mirage]

but yeah I agree, I remember from heroic and normal

necro felt so damn good

@oak sky

[oak sky]

some people in my guild

enjoying anduin

making no prog

3 raid days in a row

[bleak sky]

"damn that boss was so fun I wonder why"

warlocks doing 45k dps

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[bleak sky]

wtf

[gusty mirage]

I'M A GAMER BRO

[bleak sky]

are your raiders ok?

[gusty mirage]

84 prog parse

[echo geyser]

wl supposed to do 40k

[gusty mirage]

beats my 8 prog parse on anduin

[bleak sky]

I mean yeah you were a gamer bbutu

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

ong arms was created for the fight and sv and destro are by far the most op classes in the game

[gusty mirage]

one of our WLs is our RL

and died

he was smoking everyone until then

[echo geyser]

i bet SV if u get red bomb when u have to bait is not bad either

[bleak sky]

what about the survivals

[gusty mirage]

"dh conduit" is our warlock that shit talks me

kek

[echo geyser]

i still dont understand how ppl did 25k as sin

is it sigil or what

lucky crits inside burn?

[gusty mirage]

playing heimir ig

[echo geyser]

heres my first kill

no bigwigs clueless sin gaming

[ebon notch]

which boss

[echo geyser]

lords

[gusty mirage]

ngl

[oak sky]

Cant wait for lords at least its gonna be shorter than andy

[gusty mirage]

you could probably go in playing a pistol shot only build

and it wouldn't matter

[fleet anchor]

Gotta love the class balance

[gusty mirage]

oh oh oh oh

I wanna check mine now

[echo geyser]

yeah i was pulled in from bench cause i wasnt expecting it

killed in 2 pulls

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

oh ur prog kill

i remember

[fleet anchor]

Getting beat by MM mains just mongo smashing bombs for the first time

[oak sky]

Whenever we kill

[fleet anchor]

Makes me sad

[oak sky]

Its gonna be dogshit hunter danage

[fleet anchor]

When I literally have a 91% parse

[echo geyser]

oh yeah i also played dusk which made it harder

[oak sky]

Good frost dk damage

[echo geyser]

i was totally unaware

[fleet anchor]

Class balance right now is so bad

Lords is literally almost as perfect of an Assassination fight as you could come up with

[echo geyser]

if only there wasnt a dmg amp phase right

[fleet anchor]

And still get stomped

[oak sky]

i mean idk assassination i think is better pure st than cleave rn

[ebon notch]

if we still had frost set

[ebon notch]

we'd destroy that boss

[oak sky]

the set is weirdge

[fleet anchor]

Actually absurd

[echo geyser]

what if

top loggers on lords

are not baiting as melee

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

no shot

they can't int that hard

just to parse

[drifting cloud]

gratz @gusty mirage keep pumping

[echo geyser]

hows there such a big diff

[bleak sky]

survival procs I guess?

[echo geyser]

where the dmg coming from

no i mean sin rogue

[bleak sky]

oh sin

[echo geyser]

crit in storm phase?

big?

[bleak sky]

54% heirmir gamers

idk how gemstone windows line up

[gusty mirage]

I mean its roughly every minute ye?

[bleak sky]

but they shouldn't line with amp windows right?

[gusty mirage]

should line up pretty well

[bleak sky]

yeah but you get one on pulll

and first swarm is not a minute in, is it?

[fleet anchor]

I mean I feel like the gain from not baiting would be so small

Maybe running out last second but like

All you lose is AA damage for a few seconds

Really not gonna make a big difference on Lords

[drifting cloud]

kill timer is probably quite big there aswell, if boss dies during that last amp or 30s later

when you basically are doing tank dmg as assa for last 30s

[gusty mirage]

it's like 1min 20s or some shit

[drifting cloud]

first swarm is 50s

[bleak sky]

I guess you can have gemstone for every one then?

[drifting cloud]

thats why dusk kinda sucks

[bleak sky]

maybe?

[drifting cloud]

because its not back by then

[fleet anchor]

Gemstone aligns kinda funky

[gusty mirage]

ye

it's the same shit with dusk

[fleet anchor]

For me it was up for 1

Start of 2

None of 3

Half of 4

[gusty mirage]

we

are kevin enjoyers around this part

In Kevin We Trust

[bleak sky]

but idk ram

just watched the rank 2 sin replay and the person baited, got mechanics and didn't seem to greed a whole lot

just a gamer I guess

[echo geyser]

[fleet anchor]

Probably Kevin is better on Lords if you aren’t getting some good Carver’s Eye usage but I’m not totally sure.

Complicated to figure that one out

[woeful socket]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JK7qBNAn9RFrwCc6/
Mid prog on panth could anyone look at this and see how I am doing? I am most confused on p3. I kinda just tab and apply dots to things that dont have them and use vanish when i have it

[echo geyser]

@bleak sky i noticed my sbs dmg is lower and i dont understand why

quite huge diff

maybe i didnt send all in dmg phase with gemstones

[oak sky]

do you sbs the add ramfam

[ebon notch]

slam it over and over into shiv

huge dam

[echo geyser]

are u a log watcher?

[gusty mirage]

can confirm

[echo geyser]

me