assassination

[vestal wren]

keep your hp above 0 while bringing the boss hp to 0

[subtle tundra]

I got like 14 score yesterday dumbo

Fake fan

[bleak sky]

Too busy with poe to pay attention to the homies

[subtle tundra]

Poe this league

Boring

[vestal wren]

you need some more score to beat ivazz

[subtle tundra]

Well I won't play much in the next month

[vestal wren]

exam season?

[ebon notch]

They have to try rekill jailer

[subtle tundra]

Yep

[vestal wren]

well good luck for that 👍

[subtle tundra]

Amen

[drifting cosmos]

Just need to come back in that one push week to get all the io 👍

[subtle tundra]

@ebon notch if you want I can kinda explain how we bugged jailer

How I understood it

[fallow otter]

Differently to the regular bug?

[subtle tundra]

There are some conditions and spell queuing fucks it

[ashen scroll]

Varas, I noticed you play venth in keys when you play sin, is it just slamming bosses compared to necro?

i wanna start doing more sin keys, sub is boring

[subtle tundra]

Yea boss dps

But necro good too

[ashen scroll]

Where outlaw 👀

xd

[subtle tundra]

Fuck outlaw played enough s1 for a life time

And I didn't even play much

[fallow otter]

It's some mage venthyr shenanigans isn't it, with door and a conduit? @subtle tundra

Or you guys did something different

[subtle tundra]

It's way more conditions

Well like 3 more

[ebon notch]

Is your log unlisted?

Could you link me?

[subtle tundra]

It privatw

[willow kite]

Would you always run subterfuge for m+?

[bleak sky]

yes

[glad siren]

in keys is there ever a point where the 272 daggers will out dps the heroic EON?

[bleak sky]

eon is pretty trash in keys

does nothing in aoe

[ashen scroll]

ye, i use non EON daggers in keys as sin

as sub you still use it tho

[vestal wren]

assassination in general replaces sylvanas daggers quite early

[shy axle]

hey guys, just came back and still a little bit overwhelmed. I read that assa is the best St specc ( even for more idk right now) with Venthyr. The spreadsheet in assa faq seems to show NF is better, what am i missing?

[zinc frost]

The info will be out of date if it’s the spreadsheet in the faq. Venth sims very much ahead of NF

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[shy axle]

ok thank you

that one here is up to date then?

[zinc frost]

Those are the up to date sims

[shy axle]

ok thank you

i am playing sub for eevrything right now, did many people switch to assa for the raid or is it more boss to boss switchero things? Idk how that all plays out in reality

[zinc frost]

Well sub was very strong at the start of the tier, assa has caught up with tier set, more gear etc. both very close in ST to play either though.

[trim cairn]

Play sub if you want to have excess capacity to do other stuff than your rotation like make calls etc, if you want more engaging ape gameplay then play sin and force ur healer or tank to make calls

[shy axle]

what makes assa more engaging? would have thought the opposite

[blazing pumice]

cuz it's not sub

[vestal wren]

assassination is at least as good as sub in the raid

so just play whatever you like more, it comes down to taste

[steel ridge]

with halondrus not dogding melee attacks, we have more instant poison daamge, right?

so in theory poison bomb should be better for that fight with more envenoms and in consequence more poison procs, or is that not the case?

[vestal wren]

you can sim it

put auto_attacks_always_land=1 under custom apl

[steel ridge]

oh nice

well its not a big difference, but its something xD

[scarlet sequoia]

vigor

[steel ridge]

vigor is life

its just what i am used to, might try deeper on sunday tho

[bleak sky]

deeper?

[steel ridge]

nightfae

[bleak sky]

it's mfd

oh

isn't nf supposed to play subterfuge?

[steel ridge]

subterfuge sims slightly ahead

like 20 dps or something

[bleak sky]

also why nf

[scarlet sequoia]

feel like playing vigor when mfd sims more than 500 dps better is a bit of a bad idea

[bleak sky]

venthyr is just the better choice

[steel ridge]

actually subterfuge sims slightly lower

[steel ridge]

was thinking about giving venthyr another shot, but i played it all of 9.1 and nightfae is fun too

besides, nightfae is probably better for the task´s i am told to do in my raid

[bleak sky]

...damage?

[steel ridge]

ritualist, schematics

the amount of damage sepsis delivers in short timeframes is insane

[scarlet sequoia]

those are the tasks everyone has

[steel ridge]

mhhh

wait

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ayk3zWvjrZQcNRXG/#fight=32&type=damage-done&target=339

[bleak sky]

also nf on pantheon very weird choice

[steel ridge]

yeah well, tell me about it

i would go necro if i wasnt on rituatlist duty

[scarlet sequoia]

some guilds never fail to amaze me

[steel ridge]

what am i to do, the whole fight falls apart as soon as i dont blast that add

[scarlet sequoia]

[steel ridge]

maybe they became too reliant on that after a few tries

[oak sky]

I dont even cd the add usually

[scarlet sequoia]

i dont even touch it

it dies to cleave

[oak sky]

Some of us get assigned to a far add

[steel ridge]

our warlock even said "do i even need to touch the ritualist, nerazar is just murdering it alone"

[scarlet sequoia]

truly unfortunate

[oak sky]

It doesnt matter that much you can get pretty decent logs even if youre hitting a far add

[steel ridge]

so i just take that compliment and move on with my life

[limber lion]

and completely destroying any potential overall damage you could be doing

[oak sky]

It is what it is boss dies i guess

[steel ridge]

not like it matters anyway, yeah

[limber lion]

Warlock loses nothing from cleaving off of it, in fact it's either 100% free for Demo or literally just extra funnel/overall dps for the Affli

[steel ridge]

the boss dies, when the ritualists die

[limber lion]

You should just play Necrolord, it's really good for add-swapping and cleaving add-spawns.

[scarlet sequoia]

we have boomies kill them

melee one gets cleaved

[limber lion]

Using Sepsis on the add is just omega overkill

[scarlet sequoia]

rest ranged kill

[steel ridge]

yeah but we had a few wipes during progress where i couldnt finish the add as necrolord and it got tedious to argue about it

so i just overkill it and move on

[oak sky]

Not everyone cares about their logs

[bleak sky]

and you don't play subterfuge on pantheon either?

[bleak sky]

while I understand that, you can def make better choices under bad choices you feel me?

[oak sky]

Its really up to how much you care

[limber lion]

Yes, completely killing your potential (boss) dps throughout the fight is just unnecessary, logs or no logs.

[oak sky]

A lot of people dont even care to learn their class properly or guilds like mine wouldnt even need melee swapping to adds

[steel ridge]

where did this whole argument even come from guys, i was just wondering if poison bomb was better for halondrus xD

[limber lion]

Warlocks literally either gain dps or don't lose any dps from cleaving the adds, it's completely unnecessary for them not to blast the ritualist

[steel ridge]

i am in a casual mythic guild, what does it even matter

[oak sky]

If you play nf pretty sure its just subt deeper pb all the time

Ct for cleave

[limber lion]

Just play CT

always

[oak sky]

Is ct better on everything now

Havent really been paying attention to other covenants

[steel ridge]

yeah CT is better in theory

[limber lion]

Pretty much

CT is either better or marginal with PB

Without losing any value, compared to PB losing value from movement/procs

[steel ridge]

i was just wondering IF halondrus is a case of poison bomb being actually ahead

and it is by 2 dps

😄

[limber lion]

It's not though

because it assumes you get full value out of the poison bombs, which you likely won't

PB is still dependent on RNG, whereas CT is not

But in all honesty, it does not matter which one you choose

If you want to kill the boss, play the one that makes you more comfortable

[scarlet sequoia]

but you definitely dont play vigor

[limber lion]

yeh

that's super int

[steel ridge]

😄

[oak sky]

"Comfort" just like all the anti mfd bozos in sod i guess

This tier will show them

[scarlet sequoia]

but its like saying u play venom rush and master poisoner cus youre used to it

[steel ridge]

comfort is a heavy drug

[scarlet sequoia]

just makes no sense

something is 500+ dps better

u should prob play it

[oak sky]

Like youre right but who cares what some other random does

[limber lion]

you'll never get used to playing other talents

[scarlet sequoia]

just trying to understand the thought process

[limber lion]

if you never play them

[oak sky]

The thought process is "dont like change"

[limber lion]

of course you're comfortable with one set of talents if you've played with them for 2 years straight

never changing a talent

[oak sky]

The ideal sin player doesnt like change

Because the spec never changes

[limber lion]

ideal

[scarlet sequoia]

huh

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

Typical

Ideal

Same shit

[limber lion]

it's not

[scarlet sequoia]

the spec has changed a lot

[limber lion]

not even close

[scarlet sequoia]

wym

[limber lion]

also

the spec is super duper different

[oak sky]

Ok argue with me on my word choice

[limber lion]

than it was in CN

[oak sky]

Great hill to die on

[steel ridge]

i love how this discord always escalates every conversation 😄

[limber lion]

There's people who don't want to play the current spec because it's too difficult

even though it was considered the easiest spec the previous 2 patches

lol

[oak sky]

I definitely dont

Yep you're right its very different right now, I was just referencing the fact that sin hasnt generally changed a lot in the past few.... expansions

[odd heath]

The spec is really very different from past patches.

[scarlet sequoia]

no spec has changed much

[oak sky]

I, too have played with the 4p

[scarlet sequoia]

sub is the same as it has been since legion

minus dfa

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's the entire thing about specs and classes

they are the same

[odd heath]

The core of the spec is the same

[scarlet sequoia]

they havent rly done any major class changes since wod -> legion

[limber lion]

they work around a certain niche usually

just slapping in borrowed power here and there

and that's it

[odd heath]

Rotation changes with borrowed power

And that's it

[scarlet sequoia]

sub has been ss ss evis ss ss evis since legion

assa is keep ur bleeds up

and envenom if u can

[crystal glen]

How many stacks do you normally get on flag in ST? I have a hard time reaching more than ~22 stacks

[odd heath]

28+

[slim wagon]

are you playing marked for death?

[crystal glen]

Ye just not very used to it yet - mainly play sub just trying to get better at assassination as well

Think I just gotta stay at a dummy a bit to get it more consistent xD

[steel ridge]

the most important part is to start flag with 4 or 5 cp

and a bit of energy^^

[crystal glen]

You’ll always start with flag - finish - MFD - finish right?

[steel ridge]

yep

[steel ridge]

does assa finish at 4cp with deeper strategem or mutilate again?

[sonic schooner]

The rule Is max or -1 of max cp

Whatever how many combo point u have

[steel ridge]

kk

[brazen zodiac]

shit maybe it is time

[bleak sky]

yep

[brazen zodiac]

didnt kill pantheon so no 2 vaults sad

1% zzz

how we one shot it last week but this week nobody target add :(

[gusty mirage]

[violet jackal]

Killing it once means boss is on farm time to parse

[brazen zodiac]

yeah it was gonna be my 99 too

but the vault sir :(

parses are meaningless, a shot at 278 phial then the rush of disappointment is the real rush tbh

[west karma]

guys this is maybe a dumb question but anyone know why fan of knives sometimes only gives me 1 cp against multiple targets? isn't it supposed to give me atleast 5 cp if i'm hitting 5 targets? thanks

[balmy condor]

Wrong spec

Fan of knives is 1cp + 1cp per crit

Shuriken storm on sub is 1 cp per target Hit

[west karma]

ty

[violet jackal]

@balmy condor are you no longer raiding?

[balmy condor]

I am benched for anduin amd Lords Because rogue is a shit ass class

And they killed anduin yesterday

[ebon notch]

how low did they get lords

[balmy condor]

Let me check

[violet jackal]

where the trackmania gameplay then with raid comms as background noise

[balmy condor]

6 pulls, 70%

[balmy condor]

Because i do other things during raid now like eat food

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor wanna do lords

You can have my spit

Spot

You can have my spit too ig

[balmy condor]

Not really

[scarlet sequoia]

rogue is good on both! what the hell

[gusty mirage]

Honestly, fair.

[balmy condor]

Yeah okay

[scarlet sequoia]

if u play to do as much damage as possible on anduin like other classes at the top do u can do the same amount

unless u play assa obv

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

You can do as much damage as a destro lock on anduin?

No shot

[balmy condor]

Its about having a winners mentality oxi

[scarlet sequoia]

last time i played sub on anduin i ended top damage

we did skip an add phase tho

so might be that

or well not a whole phase but 1 add wave in 2nd intermission

[gusty mirage]

How do I winners mentality a destro lock doing almost as much damage as me in intermission with just chaos bolt?

Because looking at logs after Wednesday I wanted to jump into a river

I’ve never felt so useless

[balmy condor]

You dont

[scarlet sequoia]

think rogue is fine on every boss tho

[balmy condor]

My destro lock said my funnel was crazy on lihuvim

[gusty mirage]

Oh for sure, rogues fine on andy

But not particularly great

[scarlet sequoia]

kidney is nice

for the fear adds

[gusty mirage]

Ye prey is giga for it

[balmy condor]

And then we pulled up logs, and he did more damage to lihuvim during his Rain of fire on the adds

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

you skipped an add phase on mythic?

[scarlet sequoia]

an add wave

not a whole phase

[bleak sky]

phew

had a skill crisis right there

[gusty mirage]

How’s anduin

[bleak sky]

who knows man

he's a troubled child

fatherless

[sturdy mesa]

Dont mind if i do 😳

[gusty mirage]

[civic trellis]

What's more prio in shiv windows, tempest or env? assuming no vendetta

nvm figured it out

[tropic oar]

am i just unlucky or is it just really hard to get decent agi daggers fast

[fleet anchor]

I mean I said this in here the other day

If it weren't for the intermission damage amp

Rogue would be an A++ class on Anduin

But we just can't at all take advantage of it the same way a lot of specs can

[sour wraith]

I dc'd twice on our kill and the only worry my guild had was for blasphemys, everything else they were fine with

[gusty mirage]

Yeah outside of intermission

We’re more than fine

[fleet anchor]

Even mechanically if the intermission didn't have a damage amp we'd probably not even be that poor either

[gusty mirage]

Just sad how far we fall off because of damage amps lol

[vestal wren]

how long was the damage amp on sludge?

[sour wraith]

10ish seconds?

[fleet anchor]

But it is funny like

On our kill I was 2nd in damage in P2

3rd in P1 and P3

End the fight second to last overall 👌

[gusty mirage]

[fleet anchor]

Rogues have good utility on the fight, handle all the other phases well. Good CC for caster adds, Crippling helps downstairs, immunity for P3, good survivability.

But end up trash just because of intermission damage amp

[bleak sky]

anduin damage is good

but then this happens

across multiple wipes

[glass tulip]

6.66

[fleet anchor]

Man I can only imagine what Balance Druid damage on the boss would be if they didn’t adjust things from last tier lol

Just stack 4 Balance Druids and push him straight to P3 in first intermission 🤣

[timid cloud]

Gimmie da fairies

I send the Anduin to heck

[void needle]

Heya, can we reduce flag cd to less than a minute? I'm switching to using tea time and it's got that 1 min internal cd but doesn't apply a debuff and want to make sure I'm getting every proc. Alternatively, anyone got a good weakaura for the tea time internal CD?

[bleak sky]

don't use tea time

[brazen zodiac]

sup minal

[bleak sky]

sup vita

[brazen zodiac]

whts popin

[void needle]

It's a dps increase for the raid overall isn't it?

[sour wraith]

Assuming they didn't get hit by the wall while tunneling

[timid cloud]

No. You only do tea time for super situational M+ burst comps where you’re not the main character, but you still need to be there.

Raid overall though.

But really though, you need to play for yourself.

[lethal magnet]

how big of a difference is duskwalkers vs zoldyks for lords? logs seem to favor zoldyk a lot

[void needle]

So does this mean it's not a raid DPS increase then, it's only coming back as a 70 dps loss for me which doesn't seem very big.

[terse talon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[turbid harbor]

Zoldyck is better and simpler to use

[timid cloud]

Losing a potency is not worth it, but at the same time, you shouldn’t even be playing Theotar if there’s any sort of movement. I think the sims account for more shade than is realistic in a fight, last time I checked.

[void needle]

Fair enough, I'll switch over to nad instead then

[nova flax]

Just dont move then. Stand still.

:3head:

[stable pasture]

Does anyone have a link to the updated pandemic wa's that got linked a while ago?

[harsh anchor]

do you mean cevs wa

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

[amber fossil]

I know we are supposed to switch to Subt with 4pc, but I am doing more damage on a dummy with MA still

as Necro

[violet jackal]

Not sure about suppose to switch, Subtley was very far ahead assuming you had 2 mythic Sylvannas daggers, early in the tier. Now that item level is catching up assassination is pulling ahead ever so slightly

[amber fossil]

the top dog logs are about 50-50 between MA and Subt tho

[violet jackal]

Oh you meant talents

That’s covenant based

[amber fossil]

ya talents

[violet jackal]

Necrolord prefers master assassin

[amber fossil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#boss=2546&difficulty=4&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&covenant=4&bracket=12

52% to 48% in my ilvl, logs are Necro only

not arguing, just trying to fig it out

[violet jackal]

Some people might of just read guides and made assumptions and never bothered to aim their own talents.

Everytime I simmer my talents master assassin came out ahead

[amber fossil]

ok, ima run a sim now

hmm, +14 with subt

I kept vigor cause deeper makes me feel starved

[violet jackal]

Mmmm that might affect the choice

[amber fossil]

it might also be I am doing lower on the dummy cause it's difficult to unlearn the muscle memory of MA after using it all this time

so rotation is prob not at its peak

with Subt, that is

[misty holly]

I found Deeper felt okay with Necrolord, but def felt energy starved with the other covenants.

SBS to build cheap combo points and get Ruptures out helped a lot.

On the other covenants if you find yourself out of energy and out of combo points it can be a long wait to get things happening

[amber fossil]

I can see how sbs would help

maybe its just my rotation then

[bleak sky]

Necro will just get so many combo points that it can't spend, ds is a better choice

You should never be starved in a dungeon because you have many targets to get regen from

[amber fossil]

I mostly raid

but I see your point

apprec the input guys

on paper, DS prob makes the 4pc set bonus less chance to drop bleeds

all sounds good, I will try it again

[bleak sky]

.

Oh you meant 14 dps

[amber fossil]

yes, it would prob be more if I simmed DS, too

14 isnt all that big of a reason to switch tho

without switching DS too

[bleak sky]

The problem with Necro is the legendary is kinda useless in single target

Have you tried out venthyr?

[amber fossil]

no I havent

[bleak sky]

Should be the go-to pick

[amber fossil]

bones is really fun

[bleak sky]

Fair

[amber fossil]

yup I know its best for meters, but I chose fun

[bleak sky]

Yeah keep at it, have fun

[amber fossil]

apprec the feedback

with MA, are we using ambush after vanish or still mut?

[bleak sky]

mut

[violet jackal]

if you have 5 combo points after the vanish could also hit a fatty envenom

[placid dawn]

is there a setting that makes the shadow wall on anduin easier to see?

[blazing pumice]

turn your monitor on

you can try inky black potion but the walls are incredibly easy to see anyway

blasphemy is worse

[placid dawn]

maybe im blind, i can see blasphemy easily but the wall is sometimes super hard to see

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's just an open eyes type deal

[true tusk]

Zoldyck its better for Lords, right? But in which piece should I create it

[zinc frost]

Feet is fairly solid choice

[true tusk]

@zinc frost Thanks!

[balmy condor]

Another L for the faq

[true tusk]

@balmy condor Thanks mate!

[ashen scroll]

You got asked too many times huh lol

[balmy condor]

Nah

I just like pointing out that frequently asked questions and frequently asked

Cause im an ass like that

[glass tulip]

Classic

[oak sky]

Legs unity bis you heard it here first

[glass tulip]

Legs are behind head by about 50 DPS for me

So.... That's cap.

[vestal wren]

it is like it depends on what gear you have

[oak sky]

Weird huh

[glass tulip]

I mean hey, he made a generalized statement and I had to fight it

[zinc frost]

Hmm we better get some 30 second sims with aoe just to be sure

[vestal wren]

return of MA/Deathly

[drowsy parcel]

did someone say hidden blades

[pastel onyx]

I think I read somewhere that we use mutilate over ambush from stealth right?

whats the logic behind it

that we hit it with both hands?

[zinc frost]

With MA window, mutilate generates more CP

Good CP gen into a garrote gives us a juicy flagellation window

[viscid spear]

[pastel onyx]

ok, makes sense

ty

[rotund oak]

isnt there a WA for iqd that tracks the circulation like cache?

[crystal glen]

IQD don’t circle - there’s one that warns you when it’s gonna heal/give mana and you can get rid of the execute by /clear target /use 13 /targetlasttarget

It only taunts if you have a dead tank

[rotund oak]

what is the WA that warns u its gonna heal/give mana

and how to avoid that when we are about to press our cds

[crystal glen]

You can’t - prey that your boomie innervates the low mana healer just before you press it xD

[rotund oak]

so its a simbat

cringe

[crystal glen]

It’s good in m+ ^^

[rotund oak]

cant argue to that 😛

[crystal glen]

Often you’ll miss a use especially on long raid fights

[rotund oak]

jsut had a 278 iqd on my GV was kinda happy with the assumption i could track it

yeah thats normal,happens with all trinkets

[crystal glen]

Or if you CD during a high damage phase it might just heal someone

[rotund oak]

yeah

thats not ideal

unless u aim for lego heal parse

[crystal glen]

Miss a use as in a healer will eat it or a dps eats the heal effect xD

[rotund oak]

gotcha yeah

was thinking of it jsut now

so on a 5min+ fight if u miss one

it basicly becomes worse than sigil

[crystal glen]

If you loose a stat buff then yes

[rotund oak]

so,im already inclined for sigil

f this trinket rly

[crystal glen]

Used it all of last patch as boomkin and just decided never to use that shit again xD

[rotund oak]

yep aint happening ill either sahrd it or vendor it

should have gone with a socket instaed,wasted my GV

[storm onyx]

Force yourself to track/learn how to use it; then it’s a very good trinket

[serene gull]

Is assa worth it in M+?

[craggy oak]

Define worth it

If you want to work overly hard for minimun reward, and generally underpeform next to most other specs, but still it enjoy it

Then yes it is worth

[subtle tundra]

i wanted to see what trinkets other people play in m+ lol but im the only one playing it :((

[craggy oak]

The only key i will play sin in is top.

I genuinly think it is better than sub in that key

[subtle tundra]

you wrong

but fine 🙂

[craggy oak]

But how is it now

[subtle tundra]

i can tell you its better than you think

[craggy oak]

Vendetta on every big guy

Like where do you want or need sub over sins st in that dungeon

Please explain

[subtle tundra]

too lazy

[solid mica]

The ppl need to know

[bleak sky]

where folyr

retire varas

[subtle tundra]

NO.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[bleak sky]

also new warlock

[subtle tundra]

he aint new

[bleak sky]

you had another guy

[nova flax]

Sin is better on the first boss probably

And might do a bit more ST. But sub brings massive gorechop funnel and much more trash damage

[subtle tundra]

yea but that doesnt mean its new

[bleak sky]

fuck you

[craggy oak]

Boooo

Too clarify @subtle tundra you are saying sub, is better in top, than sin?

[subtle tundra]

nope

[craggy oak]

Then why are you saying im wrong...

Re read what i put

[subtle tundra]

im in key

cant type

[kindred heron]

I think he’s saying TOP isn’t the ONLY good sin key…. He says that sin is better than u think

[serene gull]

So, would it be fair to say playing ass in keys is high effort low reward, compared to say Sub?

[bleak sky]

yes

[kindred heron]

For sure

[echo geyser]

At least u can type in discord while playing keys on sin

[storm onyx]

😂

[subtle tundra]

i was playing sub

smh

[echo geyser]

we love that

[subtle tundra]

yea halls fortified is a bp spam dungeon

we love those

[blazing pumice]

are you guys running zold or dusk on fort

trying to ween myself off sub for top

[echo geyser]

I wanna say dusk or die, but dont listen to me i played not even 10 keys as sin

[blazing pumice]

I kept vanishing with garrote on cd in a top 26 so

[vestal wren]

dusk sims highest in slice for all covenants

[blazing pumice]

by a big margin?

feels like it would be less good with urh

[echo geyser]

Why

[violet jackal]

Uh it even better with urh

[storm onyx]

With dusk, you have Vendettta up each pack, you funnel the prio target each pack. With uhr you even get more uptime. Dont get hold on overall dmg much

[blazing pumice]

I dunno, not a sin in keys expert, my feelcrafty just makes me think that you would be potentially holding off c/d vendetta longer with dusk + urh

[echo geyser]

Also are u playing sin for mega giga aoe

Or st

[violet jackal]

With a minute of not less cooldown with urh never hold just send it

[echo geyser]

Isnt dusk like 6-8% more st over zoldycks?

Or is it even higher

[violet jackal]

Somewhere in that 6-8 range took a glance at herodamage

[blazing pumice]

pretty close in dslice for me, 0.5% increase using duskwalker

[storm onyx]

but they do very different things, you cant compare it in dslice

[blazing pumice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qrvQkjsVYUjdHWat14s1vS

ye that's fine, I'll just use dusk in future

[subtle tundra]

if youre gonna play zold, might aswell spec sub

[blazing pumice]

necro sub tho

[storm onyx]

if dmg is that close in dslice. it actually means you have swapped bulk of dmg from group execute to st on prio, and yea; what Varas said

[vestal wren]

necro sub or kyrian sin

[subtle tundra]

i mean, i havent tried zoldyck so i cant say how much worse it actually is

[blazing pumice]

first time doing a proper key as sin, pretty sure I wasn't getting high value vendettas

kek

also it's sanguine so mobs are doing laps

[subtle tundra]

if youre gonna ignore vendetta target in aoe, then zoldyck would be better

[storm onyx]

Dont know your kill speed, but if a pack fight is 90 secs, with dusk, you can even get 2 vendettas there if need be

as you said; you are holding the cd a bit much maybe

Also, with Zold; if there are other execute classes; you are actually getting shorter dmg windows

[blazing pumice]

I don't think destro or surv have any significant execute?

if anything it feels like their damage is front loaded

[storm onyx]

destro has shadowburn?

[echo geyser]

Sin finally has something it does better than sub and u kinda make it weaker if u dont play dusk

Thats my take

[storm onyx]

hunter has something i dont knwo

[blazing pumice]

they have kill shot

but I don't think it does much of their overall

[vestal wren]

Sin finally has something it does better than sub and u kinda make it weaker if u dont play dusk
looks at 2/3 target cleave 🙈

[blazing pumice]

well that is the intention for playing it in top

[fair vector]

In M+ with a pack of 3 or more mobs once you pop vendetta are you swapping off that target to apply bleeds or waiting for vendetta to drop and only dpsing the vendetta mob?

[blazing pumice]

you have to mouseover

[storm onyx]

I stay on vendetta target, after all thats the one that needs to die or HP equalized

[echo geyser]

[vestal wren]

i am quite excited for 10.0

because it offers the option to re-design classes

so that big deficits in what should be baseline for each spec can be fixed

[echo geyser]

Spec removal only classes

[blazing pumice]

legit want this

would make balancing so much better if every class was 2 specs

instead of having the 30something specs currently in the game

sub and sin are basically the same fantasy

[storm onyx]

ahaha, global spec removal after ppl were complaining ability prune messed the game and Dhs dreaming of a 3rd.. that sounds interesting

[storm onyx]

Sub /Assasin used to be vice versa

they somewhat swapped how they behaved around a patch i forgot when

[blazing pumice]

so many dumb specs could be pruned, bm, fury, elemental, unholy, feral, sub, destro, arcane, mistweaver, ret

hire me blizz

[gusty mirage]

Their whole selling point of SL was unpruning

“ICONIC CLASS ABILITIES RETURN”

[echo geyser]

[blazing pumice]

and torghast

unlimited possibility for endless fun

[storm onyx]

rofl. wtb my Gauge back

[vestal wren]

thats why we got..
our raid buff back
or premeditation
or smoke bomb
or...

oh wait, we got slice and dice

such a iconic spell

[storm onyx]

and Shiv...

[vast loom]

hey man sub got rupture back right? or was that a patch in SL

[vestal wren]

so iconic that blizz decided to change #assassination so you don't need to press it

rupture and early nightblade are very similar

[gusty mirage]

Don’t forget that vial nerf in expectation of buffing it with stuff we pick pocket

Oh wait

[vestal wren]

yep

but we can pickpocket squeaky bats

[gusty mirage]

HUGE

Rogues got scammazed

We got a maintenance spell no one wanted

Utility that’s half assed in shiv

And removal of all our borrowed power that made us great

But at least they kinda fixed sub, until 9.2 but hey that’s a step in the right direction

[vestal wren]

i don't mind shiv

[gusty mirage]

It’s not dead in the water anymore and I appreciate that

[vestal wren]

i just don't think anything that was unprouned was exciting

[gusty mirage]

Tying a soothe to a 25s cd is kinda cringe

[vestal wren]

preperation was a iconic spell

[bleak sky]

having soothe attached to your damage amp is very cringe

[gusty mirage]

Also that^

[vestal wren]

why did they not bring that back?

[gusty mirage]

Prep was amazing

[vestal wren]

it is only for assassination

but i agree

[gusty mirage]

Just having insta resets on CDs was sick

Esp in pvp

[vestal wren]

(i mean shiv can be a rotational spell for outlaw too)

[storm onyx]

i miss those tbh, and yea a spell to be maintained but not to be maintained was given..lol

[vestal wren]

(it even is a marginal damage gain, but ... no)

[gusty mirage]

Just we got shafted hard

And it’s unfortunate

Took us the entire alpha and beta lifespan to get 4 covenant abilities

[vestal wren]

tbh the dev time rogue had was very limited

[gusty mirage]

Sub and sin had “TBD” talents until like a month before release

[vestal wren]

for what its worth, those who worked on it made the best of it

[gusty mirage]

And oh let’s just copy and paste alacrity

And then add premed but make it not work for half of 9.0

[vestal wren]

i mean

[gusty mirage]

Imagine how awful it would’ve been if Sephuz didn’t come in

[vestal wren]

we did give direct feedback in late legion that hidden blade is a terrible talent

and reason why

and it still is on assassiantion

[gusty mirage]

So that adelgab can one shot his way to gladiator every season in SL

[vestal wren]

pvp is

well something i don't want to touch on because it is a clown fiesta

[gusty mirage]

The most viable content for hidden blades is a pvp cheese

[vestal wren]

lets say

its very volatile lately, i think that is a good neutral way to describe it

[solid mica]

Do you just triple garrote-ct-then st vendetta the prio? Or you use fan to get bleeds in aoe still

[subtle tundra]

GARRET 1 GARRET 2 GARRET 3

FAN OF THE KNIVES

FLAG THE BITCH

CRIMSON TEMPEST THE ASSHOLES

VENDETTA

SHIV DAT ASS

sorry

[vestal wren]

all fine, it is a iconic meme

[solid mica]

Love the enthusiasm

[solid mica]

Do you Mean prio?

[harsh anchor]

Are there triplets all named Garret

[echo geyser]

Single target mainly

Like sub m+ setup vs dusk sin is just big diff in st, esp with relic 2t sin gains nicely

[solid mica]

Yeah you definitely lose a lot of st with the way you setup sub in m+

[glass tulip]

@gusty mirage pikaboo found that out recently and has been spamming it on YouTube

I love when him and palumor call things "1 shots" but really it's like a 6 button combo including vanish... Like buddy that's not a 1 shot that's just a full go

[solid mica]

Yeah they just feed into the YouTube clickbait trend

[viscid spear]

"ONE SHOTS?!?1?"

[willow eagle]

Sepsis does kill ppl in 2-3 seconds

[glass tulip]

You never just naked sepsis though

100% of the time it's going to go with vendetta and/or shiv

[hollow river]

one shots are typically meaning someone dies within a few seconds

the amount of set up doesn't necessarily matter, it's about when the big amount of damage starts to when they die

[glass tulip]

[ebon notch]

[lunar lantern]

in very big aoe packs in m+ do u still apply serated bone spike to build combo points or is fan of knives more more worth?

[hollow river]

Yeah you should always be spreading all bleeds

Deathspike leggo from your Unity makes SBS cleave

[fallow canopy]

spread the love

[viscid spear]

No thanks, the Monkey Pox is enough

[vestal wren]

don't worry

but lets not dive to much into it in the spec channel, and use #off-topic for further discussions

[viscid spear]

Let's dive into Lords prog. Keep meaning to make Zoldyck

[strange silo]

how do i convince my rl that rogue sucks as* for anduin?

[scarlet sequoia]

cosplay @gusty kestrel

😏

[strange silo]

i mean i can try xd but that doesnt help me because i dont know how or why 😄

[scarlet sequoia]

rogue is good on anduin tho so no reason to convince ur rl

just play

fun boss

[strange silo]

meh dunno my guild isnt that good so i'd like to try to dodge the 400+ trys :d

[gusty kestrel]

what

we literally ran a rogue cause we knew its good

[scarlet sequoia]

was trolling u mate

[gusty kestrel]

i hate u

[scarlet sequoia]

general misconception that rogue is bad on anduin

ill tag u again tomorrow

u cant time me out anymore

[gusty kestrel]

[scarlet sequoia]

😉

[fair vector]

I thought when you swapped covs with 80 renoun that it went to 80 with the new one??

uh oh lol

[mystic fractal]

No, but you can buy 1-40 skip once you hit 80

[fair vector]

So I had to buy before I swapped?

Or I can buy now?

I was 80 with venth and swapped to nf

starting at 1

nm got it. ty for the heads up.

[mystic fractal]

From 40 doing the cov campaign should be enough to cap you, or close enough that the perf diff is minimal

[viscid spear]

Doing the Cov campaign will drown you in Renown

There's also the Korthia & Zereth Mortis campaigns, just need to invest the time

[fair vector]

Is there a way to quickly grab a higher ilvl cov specific conduit?

[steel ridge]

Run the specific dungeon

[hollow river]

Yeah they updated dungeons to drop higher ilvl conduits this season so if you do a 15 mists you should get nf conduit I think

Idr if we even run that conduit

[steel ridge]

Sepsis conduit is gud

[glass tulip]

you always run the cov conduit

as far as I am aware

[delicate isle]

is assassination ass good as sub in mythic plus?

[glass tulip]

no.

[violet jackal]

viable though yes

[glass tulip]

viable, just less good

[burnt latch]

Depends on key / comp tbh

Think sin is the correct choice in some keys

Overall sub is better tho

[cunning parrot]

what's the best cache for ass?

[zinc frost]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[glass tulip]

well I would argue for your ass wand is probably easiest

straight and narrow

[zinc frost]

Narrow? We are girth gamers over here

[oak sky]

nevermind that wand is just worse and also has crit rng

[glass tulip]

why does the crit matter when its going inside me

[oak sky]

[glass tulip]

[spice spire]

Mfers really making this the horny chat

[hollow river]

always has been

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

[reef axle]

CT used in ST now?

[amber fossil]

just for venth, I believe

[balmy condor]

cum into my room and I'll show you a horny chat

[glass tulip]

But in that order I have to step over the cum on the floor

To get in and see the chat

[balmy condor]

I'd rather sink in the cum than cum in the sink

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[trim cairn]

[sand sigil]

?

[balmy condor]

[trim cairn]

[oak sky]

[lucid birch]

[ebon notch]

ur all demonic

like

wtf

[solid mica]

has anyone tried doubling down with exang on lords?

[zinc frost]

[ebon notch]

[pastel onyx]

[hollow river]

plz be our pioneer hero

[oak sky]

im playing mp

[solid mica]

For the 'Holdt!

[hollow river]

im playing tip of the spear and wildfire infusion

[reef axle]

Hmm pins say theodor, but logs say majority are nadja, which one is the optimal choice for sin atm >.<

[hollow river]

doesn't really matter they're both about the same

if you can get a Haste tea roll go Theo

most just go Nadjia and use Theo for sub in m+ etc

[reef axle]

Hmmm figured as much

[reef axle]

Sub still more difficult and more punishing than the new bleed meta 🤔?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't really call sub difficult honestly

it's pretty simple, especially this patch

punishing is another can of worms

like punishing how?

being off the boss for a mechanic? bout the same

fucking up your rotation? how badly? in what way?

[reef axle]

If you incorrectly overwrite the snapshot after vendetta ends vs subs poor use of symbols but yeh I would say which rotation is more easier to screw up

[ebon notch]

Getting a jailer bomb during vendetta

And you're back left

[dim yacht]

haste or mastery for pvp, anyone know?

[balmy condor]

I think it's easier to screw up sin's rotation currently if you aren't familiar with how to do the overhang properly

[gusty mirage]

haste/vers

[dim yacht]

vers i figured, does mastery not have a place? i thought itd go pretty well with sepsis for burst damage

[reef axle]

Hmmm true but from what I’ve seen doesn’t seem too hard to get it right with abit of practice

[dim yacht]

or does haste work out to be better due to faster ticks?

[reef axle]

Essentially get a garrotte and rupture off if possible before vendetta ends and leave them until the duration is finished 🤔

[lethal coral]

how are we assassins feeling regarding relics? do we love the out of stealth aoe they cast? or the tab targetting nightmare when needing to throw out empowered garrotes when breaking stealth? do we like them when we jump to boss in some cases where we accidentally tab target one and vendetta the shit out of one? lol

[balmy condor]

I have no idea what the question is I'm going to be honest

urh makes vendetta come up real quick, that's pretty cool

[dim yacht]

i feel like urh does nothing for us outside of bosses though

[lethal coral]

just wondering if any other assassination really doesn't like relics as much as i do. they are a nightmare when it comes to breaking stealth and opening up 3 empowered garrotes, and they get wasted on relics on accident. or vendetta a relic on accident instead of boss, effectively decimating an assassinations opening burst on the boss

[dim yacht]

i dislike them as much as you do

[balmy condor]

I mean the easy solution would be to just not troll your cooldowns into something that doesn't live for 3 seconds

they don't feel that bad

[zinc frost]

Have you tried not using vendetta on a relic?

[balmy condor]

but I get if you're messing up it would be pretty awful

[dim yacht]

my problem isnt the above, i just dont like that urh seemingl does very little for us on trash

[lethal coral]

i have it macro'd to shadowstep

[balmy condor]

I'm sorry what

[zinc frost]

[balmy condor]

you have vendetta macro'd to shadowstep?

[lethal coral]

yeye

it's never been a problem until now

[iron orchid]

[balmy condor]

I thought I'd seen it all

[lethal coral]

XD

[balmy condor]

that is one of the most cursed things I've ever heard

and I have like 300 thousand messages here

I've seen a lot of cursed things

[lethal coral]

i mean it works lol, i was doing 24's last season

but this season, really sucks

at least i know i need to change things

different season and all

but still, relics aren't fun

[balmy condor]

yeah I can imagine

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[dim yacht]

okay but anyone got anything to say about urh relics on trash for sin? am i missing something

i guess on packs where theres prio targets

[balmy condor]

they're not?

[dim yacht]

i dont understand what im missing

[balmy condor]

vendetta good, big damage on vendetta, having more vendetta more big damage

I don't understand either

[lethal coral]

i actually like urh on trash lol, i love the buff, i can vendetta a lot more because of it, i just don't like the relics popping me out of stealth with that AOE they do, and when i open up on trash, i will accidently throw out empowered garrotes on them

but yeah, i'm fine with urh

[zinc frost]

Urh just isn’t giga strong for rogues compared to other classes that’s all

[dim yacht]

thats what i felt too, just seems unbalanced

[balmy condor]

yeah that's just a difference in classes

[dim yacht]

i guess i communicated my point a bit poorly

i know it does something

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

rogue cooldowns are probably the weakest in the entire game

[dim yacht]

but i feel like we get far more mileage out of vy

[balmy condor]

shadow blades

[dim yacht]

but other classes dont want it

[balmy condor]

3 minute cooldown btw

[dim yacht]

i feel like blizzard missed the mark with covenant abilities for rogues, i would have liked something that felt epic. its not the damage that bothers me

i just feel like we dont have anything that feels super cool

[hollow river]

sbs feels super cool

[zinc frost]

vy is okay, Urh is just too strong when it comes to healing/CDR for the bigger pumpers etc. plus vy is dumb af when it comes to trying to cleave it down on a boss

[dim yacht]

like what if we had something that was killing spree-esque, where we bleed the living shit of everything and anything, and it gives 1 energy per tick or something, so itd be a powerful aoe cd and st cd

[balmy condor]

that sounds like crimson tempest with extra steps

[iron orchid]

we don't really need more energy tho

[balmy condor]

yeh

just need some aoe love and some combo points

the fact that we are forced to talent into any aoe at all

[dim yacht]

i miss echoing blades

[balmy condor]

is just ridiculous

[dim yacht]

and shrouded suffocation

just replace hidden blades with echoing blades

everyone is happy

[balmy condor]

yeah

[dim yacht]

i really liked shrouded suffocation for its on pull burst aoe

or cleave rather

[balmy condor]

I would be more enthusiastic if that wasn't our recommendation for hidden blades for the last 3 years

it just doesn't seem like they're too interested

we'll see if they change our talents in any major way in 10.0

that's the opportunity

[dim yacht]

agreed

idk if i should have high hopes or not

but im looking forward to seeing what we get from the new talent tree stuff in 10.0

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't expect much if the druid trees were anything to go off of

[dim yacht]

i havent looked at them

[balmy condor]

druid tree was basically "here's a bunch of baseline stuff and you can buff some things and then here's all the talents back and also convoke is here"

[dim yacht]

the change in ownership of blizzard could mean something though. i know people said 'its just alpha' etc or 'its too early to judge' for shadowlands and then we got garbage

but the fact still exists, we dont know what might change from that if anything

[feral rivet]

The biggest thing in the druid trees is that feral can go innervate

[balmy condor]

yeah except it's still going to be feral

and feral sucks

[zinc frost]

The TCs of this discord (and other class discords) should be guaranteed alpha/beta access

[balmy condor]

we had a feral druid one trick in my guild, and he legit just straight up quit because feral was such a terribly designed mess

[balmy condor]

I wish we did I haven't seen a beta once since I started playing

not like our feedback really changes much though

[dim yacht]

im pretty sure i got beta because i got carried to gladiator lol

[balmy condor]

in the past when we've tried it was sorta almost listened to

tier sets this time around were listened to

kinda

like sin 2 piece got reworked because they listened

that's big

we like that

[dim yacht]

what was the original 2 piece?

[balmy condor]

it was single target

[hollow river]

lol

crit

on shiv

[balmy condor]

and yeh

[hollow river]

trash

[balmy condor]

was crit instead of bleed damage

the crit was admittedly a placeholder effect

[ashen scroll]

back to back flag+symbols is so pog

still do shit damage tho

[feral rivet]

I main feral, it has a few really good fights this tier and for once the endboss is one of them. Its definitely not in a great place tho and hasnt been for an extremely long time

[dim yacht]

doesnt feral also have an extremely high skill cap?

or so ive been told

[balmy condor]

kinda but it's so fucking slow that you can do your homework between gcds

so

you have more than enough time to plan out your super 900 iq rotation

[feral rivet]

Not with owlweaving

[balmy condor]

oh the fucking weaving

[feral rivet]

But yeah new ppl to feral find bloodtalons hard to play but I wouldn’t say feral is harder than most specs

[balmy condor]

what a terrible design

[feral rivet]

Yes

Assassination is more like old feral than feral is tbf 😅

[high storm]

what is open for nero ass

[vestal wren]

only for #assassination sadly

and even then it seemed for a while that people still don't like the tier set

[zinc frost]

What you don’t love rng blades and rng strike?

[vestal wren]

this is in no disrespect to the devs. i think esp. public communication was very high for the tier set

one of the only complains of the sub tier set was the rng nature

but it felt more like there was a disagreement between the two sides, when the community asked for something more deterministic and the devs did say that the rng is fun and healthy

for outlaw in addition the tuning of the set did directly impact their competitive position

[gusty mirage]

mastery's okay too, but you just kinda stack haste after you hit your vers threshold that you're after

[ashen scroll]

Im running like 350 mastery rn, sim likes it so

[balmy condor]

Theyre talking pvp

[ashen scroll]

Oh

Cba

Pvp as sin is kinda fun tho

[vestal wren]

i don't think you had the oppotunity to get in as TC given that you started contributing during sl

but i think you have a high chance to get it this time

[subtle tundra]

i used to be able to watch series during prog but now with 4pc and being 1 min class is harder :/ i hate when blizz nerf my spec

[soft shale]

man playing assa in lords is kinda fun shame boss is a pile of straw after the nerfs

my luck is always the worst for sub had like 3 or 4 pulls with no 4p or 2p procs and like 3 diff vulnerable phases too much gamba

[upbeat needle]

Ngl this is like the worst shit I've ever read

[vestal wren]

i can search for the 30 ability "opener" cast sequence macro somone send me during legion

[balmy condor]

I had a guy send me a pastebin of a cast sequence macro for his “burst rotation”

And he said it didnt fit into one macro because its too long

So he was asking me if I could condense it down

So it would fit

[vestal wren]

haha, the one i got just told me to use a addon that allows you to have unlimited length

[subtle tundra]

hi TCs can you fuck my wife with the correct rotation so i learn when watching?

[balmy condor]

I told him that if 3 buttons are too much then hes playing the wrong game

And he just said “okay thank you”

And I never heard from him again

[vestal wren]

fun story, we got a new social in the guild

a 50yo woman

and she is using those "one button rotation" macros

[subtle tundra]

but thats cute

[vestal wren]

she says it helps her to oncentrade on mechanics, her damage is barely over tanks tho

[drifting cosmos]

Not sure if learning how to macro is harder, or actually learn 3 button rotation is harder

[subtle tundra]

"mechanics? what? sorry, im a rogue"

[vestal wren]

haha

[vestal wren]

there is a ambush/mut macro tho ^^

[royal lantern]

acting as if you dont volunteer for the mechanics because everyone else is to stupid to actually do them

jesus i hate druids/warriors/mages 🙂

[nova flax]

Mages are mechanic kings

[subtle tundra]

The only reason I hate volunteering is cause if I get assigned to something on prog, I'm always gonna be assigned on reclear too so I can never parse

Like I never got to parse on kt in sod

Cause I was always going up

And holding cds

[hollow river]

This x1000

We had the same trap popper on painsmith every week

Etc etc

[nova flax]

I personally dont mind it. In my mind the only reason to parse is cuz u wanna app out to a different guild

But any decent guild is gonna look further than ur parses to see u did mechanics. Which will probably help your potential trial even more

[royal lantern]

theory yes

the players?

no

[nova flax]

U must play with some pretty shit players then

[royal lantern]

so, the far far majority of wow players?

[subtle tundra]

i mean, tryan is right

unless you play in like a top 100 guild

they're gonna be pretty shit

[royal lantern]

eh its more like, dps greed and tunnel vision is real

in my entire raiding time, i had 1 mage, 1dh and 1hunter where i would say that they where REALLY good

(and that hunter was a survival only main )

[subtle tundra]

thats literally being a bad player

[royal lantern]

i mean, for many people big dps numbers=good player

[willow kite]

As someone who just picked up and started playing my rogue in this expansion; is sin aoe m+ dps supposed to feel like darkness and depression?

ST feels nice, but aoe is..

I'm hoping I'm just utterly trash at it, maybe the 2p set bonus will help

[subtle tundra]

yes

[willow kite]

Sweet

[subtle tundra]

if youre feeling those exact feelings, youre doing it right.

[pastel onyx]

[spice spire]

Are you okay?

[subtle tundra]

yea ofc im an assa m+ player how can i not be mate are YOU ok though? asking such silly questions

[viscid spear]

It's ok bro

[safe patrol]

Were thinking what am I gonna raid as tonight then it hit my mind oh assa got nerfed to the ground so the choice is easy then I remembered oh that was just a really really weird dream I had last night

[lucid birch]

thank you Kanye, very cool

[zinc frost]

Very cool indeed

[lunar lantern]

what cache weapon do u take on assa in st and aoe respectively?

[safe patrol]

holy shit what a gamer🏆

[pastel onyx]

[echo geyser]

Doesnt shiv do something

[ashen scroll]

Double shiv is kinda fun

[dark crag]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[limber lion]

Lol

[limber lion]

Just use Axe everytime

[west karma]

guys how is the single target opener rotation with subterfuge now that i have the vendetta legendary? also how do you guys use vendetta on aoe situations? should i just use it on the biggest guy of the pull and forget about it? thanks!

[violet jackal]

vendetta the biggest target and rail them, AOE is someone else job

[gusty mirage]

Hey you with the face, you’re cute

[lucid birch]

[west karma]

guys, about dots , i remember that back in bfa when you reapply a rupture or garrote the remaining duration was a added to the new one, but now even if you reapply during pandemic i dont see garrotes lasting longer than 18sec and ruptures more than 24sec , why is that?

[drifting cloud]

they do

[west karma]

in fact i have been playing the last 10 days and it never worked for me, maybe im bugged

[drifting cloud]

do 5cp rupture into mfd rupture on a dummy

could be your addons or something I dont know

[west karma]

yes, i also thought it could be my nameplates addon incorrectly displaying the number, but even without addons my ruptures are never longer than 24sec and garrote 18 sec, no matter at what time i refresh it

[drifting cloud]

are you lvling, is it a passive you maybe dont have? no clue otherwise

[west karma]

nop, lvl 60, damn i might be bugged then, gonna open a ticket

[glass tulip]

Don't think that is the case but hope you resolve your issue

[fair vector]

I swapped night fae for PvP. Have not attempted a key. My io was only like 2.4k as venth. Can I still run the same lvl keys or wont have the deeps now?

[west karma]

what could it be then?

[echo geyser]

on lords zoldyck

do u just hold vendetta on pull

?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[echo geyser]

deeper yeah?

[subtle tundra]

ofc

[echo geyser]

necro

kk ty

[subtle tundra]

dont forger you can rupture on 4cp

[ashen scroll]

wait actually?

what is the reasoning for it, not disagreeing, just havent heard of this before

[strange python]

Need to get your energy regen going

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbqg9TtoBkSy5iVdNuQPW2

how does this look

[strange python]

This is an opener only thing