plug out and back in
#assassination
trim cairn
hollow escarp
I think there was a command or pin for troubleshooting unity
brazen zodiac
unequip reequip i think
hollow escarp
!unityfix
prisma monolithBOT
If you have issues with UNITY not working try the following:
- Log out and in again
- Close down World of Warcraft and clear the wow cache (delete
Cachefolder inWoW/retail) - Unequip the Legendary and equip it again
- Change Soulbinds/Covenant
hollow escarp
@deft vault ^^
brazen zodiac
funny bug
brazen zodiac
deft vault
is the bug related to deathly prepull shit or nah ?
deft vault
yeah i know but progging anduin as sub and i dont have unity every single pull
balmy condor
yeah i know but progging anduin as sub and i dont have unity every single pull
Yep deathly can break it
bleak sky
doesn't mean it isn't a shit fight still
fleet anchor
who knows? assa doesn't use any prepull memes though
Is that a challenge?!
ebon notch
Is that a challenge?!
do it
please
can we somehow use shadowdust with like a high haste build?
fleet anchor
lol
fleet anchor
Just wait until triple legendary
hollow escarp
I want 1 min potion on pull
fleet anchor
S4 baby
fleet anchor
Tiny Toxic Blade time
ebon notch
Just wait until triple legendary
no shot
ebon notch
give me all of them at once
unity bug abuser?
fleet anchor
Triple legendary would be wild
hybrid vale
for some specs
i can name a few that wouldn't be helped that much by it compared to the others
dense herald
yo - on lords if you cloak and then a green sludge hits you, do you still get cloud of carrion or does it prevent it?
too scared to try
tough bridge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
ebon notch
yo - on lords if you cloak and then a green sludge hits you, do you still get cl...
Actually never tested
Wait for a wipe to be called then try
cerulean nest
give me all of them at once
see like why isn't this a thing for Torghast?
that'd actually be fun lol
opaque anvil
Who runs poison katar for m+?
ebon notch
guilds yelling at me to go sub for andy
Nah
Just pad on the adds until they beg you to stop
glass tulip
boutta be me and agreon
strange python
Ayy guilds gonna get jailer tmr, break while I'm out of town, then I just have to pretend to like them til I get mount
bleak sky
ethical damage
slow marsh
sir
bleak sky
slow marsh
ethics dont matter anymore
bleak sky
I want to kill the boss
slow marsh
andy ?
slow marsh
Well you see the real ethical way to go about it imo
is you powder the shit out of the ghouls so they die faster
then everyone else has to focus the remnant
instead of pad
bleak sky
drifting cosmos
Pad and pray they don't find out
steel ridge
Shouldnt assa be a supreme burst the remnant down spec?
strange python
I mean anduin isn't really a DPS check anymore, the biggest issue on mythic is not fucking up mechanics, and then killing the abom
Sub is better at funneling abom damage
steel ridge
How much is the amp? 4x?
strange python
Sin has higher burst than sub, but sub still has better funnel damage. Though that's nothing compared to destro
steel ridge
Yeah good thing we have 2 of those 
gusty mirage
if I'm suffering, you're suffering too
bleak sky
Shouldnt assa be a supreme burst the remnant down spec?
sin is probably better than sub for intermission on anduin
adds MELT
they just disappear and your funnel is gone
hollow river
Anduin Wrynn
Increased the time it takes for players to be susceptible to Blasphemy after returning to their body.
wut do
lucid birch
It do dat
gusty mirage
makes it so that you don't spawn upstairs with blasphemy when you were down in kingsmourne
or sorry
"lowers the chance" that it happens
gusty mirage
I forgot I have to be precise with my statements, so I don't get another "AKSHUALLY RYFIE IS ONLY 2789 NOT 2800 
"
hollow river
getting those add death timings correct
gusty mirage
I was in 2nd down group
gusty mirage
didn't get blasphemy once
hollow river
im chillin waiting for boss to die
steel ridge
they just disappear and your funnel is gone
Thats my experience from hc aswell
hollow river
LMAO
bleak sky
can i have your farm spot too
my man oxi is ready to leave this game
like rn
say the words
hollow river
why
balmy condor
kinda just over wow rn
Path of exile?
gusty mirage
but I like my guild so I stick around
hollow river
i feel you. no kizzy
hollow river
oxi just level a hunter bro
lucid birch
Whispyr is getting me started in Poe
gusty mirage
hollow river
survival is like assassination in keys but it actually does damage
balmy condor
Perfect
strange python
I'll give you gold to take it
Are you on anduin?
Just become a bench gamer like me. Then collect mount, sales gold, and dip.
gusty mirage
ye
gusty mirage
because you've got a bunch of cocktail sauce
gusty mirage
timid cloud
🍸
fleet anchor
I'll give you gold to take it
I'm selling my spot too
I got put in as a backup since someone couldn't make it this week and now I'm in jail
I will say the one slight glimmer about Sub on that fight is Prey on the Weak and Cheap Shot spam is fairly nice in P2 for add control. That is the extent of good things I have to say about the fight though. And I guess Shadowstep is nice sometimes. lol
gusty mirage
I have to hold back for blasphemy for that one idiot ranged sitting there on the opposite side of the platform and then shadowstep them
its very fun
fleet anchor
hah
I use it sometimes although our Blasphemy logic seems pretty orderly so it's not usually very hard
The fight is like oddly... really boring
glass tulip
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2TtNCYQA7qjvBEv4KW82AX
I don't have the sauce
subtle tundra
Why is my gear so shit 💀💀
brave gazelle
Why is my gear so shit 💀💀
Ya dealer ripped you off
empty hinge
He does the thing
vestal wren
Why is my gear so shit 💀💀
not everyone can be as lucky as i am sadly 😏
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pexHALwjzFJ7tmBFoqxH9z
glass tulip
👏 well done fuu
vestal wren
(def. my profile, and not the bis profile from my spreadsheet 🙈 )
glass tulip
how close is ceverion
hybrid vale
Mechagnome pog
vestal wren
16.4 or so
glass tulip
I had some questions so I went into dreamgrove
which is already cursed
and their faq is a literal chapterbook
haste breakpoints for casting filler spells based on covenant
glass tulip
to be fair
the method guide was trash compared to the "faq" which is just a guide in itself
was basically, "hehe press convoke"
celest marlin
!ds
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
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Showcase Video: #assassination message
celest marlin
is the pre pull lege deadly shadows a thing for assa?
charred wraith
no, dont use it, its a loss
spice spire
!prepull
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination currently does not have any viable prepulls or weapon swaps. Due to the value of vanish, Deathly Shadows is not worth using for the combo points. Sylvanas daggers are much weaker than on subtlety, and therefore also makes weapon swapping not desireable. The best we can do is use Marked for Death about 25 seconds before a pull. This is a very minor gain.
pearl ingot
yo guys, how do you use ur cloak on m dausegne? do you hold it for sketchy situations, or are u using it as often as possible?
celest marlin
so in aoe situation m+ / raid , do i spam Crimson or what?
hollow river
yo guys, how do you use ur cloak on m dausegne? do you hold it for sketchy situa...
I usually hold for sketchy situation
hollow river
so in aoe situation m+ / raid , do i spam Crimson or what?
No
We maintain the DoT of CT we don’t spam it
celest marlin
so i put more stuff on multiple targets in mean time or pick big add and nuke him ?
hollow river
so i put more stuff on multiple targets in mean time or pick big add and nuke hi...
You spread bleeds on everything you can
Unless you vendetta something
pearl ingot
I usually hold for sketchy situation
yeah me too, was asking myself if i use it on halo 2, and 4 or 5 just to have more uptime
hollow river
Then you have to train that target mostly, but can still spread a couple extra bleeds during
unborn ruin
For necro m+ vigor or Ds? Feel like I’m missing a ton of CPs running vigor when I’m chucking bone shards
unborn ruin
On a three mob pull should I start overwriting empowered garrotes at 6 or 12 seconds or something to stop the bleed from expiring on 2 targets
unborn ruin
I was more thinking that the 80% extra damage vs having 1 of them drop for 6 seconds and 1 for 12 would be a damage loss
timid cloud
Every day we get asked about DS, at least once.
Did someone make a YouTuber saying it’s good…?
unborn ruin
Yeah guides typically say “vigor for M+”
brazen zodiac
Did someone make a YouTuber saying it’s good…?
breadman
limber lion
Yes
noble umbra
lol wtf i never knew that
noble umbra
oh i see ofc
becus one sim is popping iqd on pull
opposed to the other having to hold it till after my vandetta/hero has worn off
thanks @limber lion
limber lion
:)
Actually, after looking into it, you should be using IQD on pull with Vendetta and SGT later on. There's some checks for IQD + Dps trinket combo, which is why they work kind of funny
Just use IQD with your Vend on pull
Even if SGT is your first trinket slot
brazen zodiac
learn somethin new every day
noble umbra
@limber lion alright thanks homie
sweet dawn
Can venth still take Marked for Death in dungeons or is vigor like.. needed? as well as subterfuge?
regal cloud
Don't u always play mfd as venth?
sweet dawn
That's what I was thinking
But my smooth brain can't have a personal thought of its own
vestal wren
mfd works well in dungeons
bleak sky
Yep mfd in keys
limber lion
Mfd 
sweet dawn
Stronks
cerulean nest
@limber lion ping me if you update the weakaura ❤️
ebon notch
yo cev how do i add a socket to a specific item in raidbots
limber lion
yo cev how do i add a socket to a specific item in raidbots
Gear compare, add the item with a socket. Or you can just add the line to the specific item in top gear
ebon notch
yeah im doing some sus shit so i wanted to know what the line was for a gem
i saw i can add a specific type of gem but idk which would be best so id rather just add the socket
limber lion
Just slap this after the ring line:
,bonus_id=6652/7580/7749/7798/3151/6646
So for the 272 AA ring it would be:
finger1=",id=134542,enchant_id=6164,bonus_id=6652/7580/7749/7798/3151/6646"
limber lion
Just an example :)
ebon notch
🙂
im testing converting a boe in catalyst
and moving unity to chest
since chest is my lowest ilvl
limber lion
I would just do that in Top Gear
limber lion
You can add catalyst items and all unities there and go through everything
Don't need to add separate sockets by changing the strings or anything either, just use the socket-add feature of Top gear
ebon notch
i wanted to make sure it was on the helm just in case
limber lion
i wanted to make sure it was on the helm just in case
But... why?
ebon notch
true
tame sigil
Hmm the logs seems to be fairly equal, what's preferred to run on lihivum on Mythic, Sub or Assa?
I'm guessing Sub can pop more throughout the fight but Assa is better at downing the big adds fast?
limber lion
Hmm the logs seems to be fairly equal, what's preferred to run on lihivum on Myt...
Doesn't really matter honestly
Either is fine
Play the spec you like more and perform better on
tame sigil
Any tips for running Assa on it? 🙂
limber lion
Any tips for running Assa on it? 🙂
I would start by using cds on the boss in the opener because it lines up cds very, very well for the rest of the fight. Allows you to cast 2 cooldown-sequences on the boss between each intermission.
However, if that does not work, using cds on the add is completely fine in terms of progression
It'll be less boss damage and overall damage, but it can help your team progress further.
tame sigil
Thats awesome, thanks for the tips!
strange python
If your guild wants you to save all CDs for protoform you may want to play sub just to not be so annoyed
ebon notch
If your guild wants you to save all CDs for protoform you may want to play sub j...
thats what happened to me 🙂
strange python
Maybe I'm just salty
gusty mirage
How
strange python
The longer you wait to CD the longer until you can get value from duskwalkers, too.
ebon notch
thats what cev said
gusty mirage
How does it fuck subsequent casts though
ebon notch
he said he missed a cast when he delayed for the add
strange python
The longer your CDs just sit there the less value you get from leggos
gusty mirage
The 20-30s of holding for first synthesize caused him to miss a cast?
Damn colour blasts idk
ebon notch
@limber lion sry to tag you but i dont wanna put words in your mouth
unless ur into that idk 
gusty mirage
For most people, especially on prog, IMO they should hold for first synthesize
Because if the add doesn’t die it’s a wipe
limber lion
Yeah, I didn't exactly lose out on casts by doing that, it's just that the timing gets pretty funky when you use cds on the adds.
gusty mirage
Yeah I’ll agree the timing does get weird af
limber lion
Using cds on the boss allows you to use cds on the boss twice between each intermission everytime, it's really, really good
Feels really nice
But sometimes your guild might need the extra damage on the adds and it is what it is
gusty mirage
And it could cause you to miss a cast if the timing is a bit off
Because you’ll end up holding because you’re close to another synth
And then you’ll parse a 7 like me and feel like shit
But the last time I killed it, it worked out pretty well
strange python
Without cache or earthbreakers you're gonna be sad trying to parse that fight anyways
hollow escarp
But sometimes your guild might need the extra damage on the adds and it is what ...
sometimes? "lets' do it like we did on prog, just to be safe"
weak bane
Thats awesome, thanks for the tips!
everything cev said worked great for me. i played sub on first clear to send cooldowns on schematics, but on reclear i played sin sending cooldowns at start and it lined everything so much better. just need to sort your groups right for the first schematics
gusty mirage
sometimes? "lets' do it like we did on prog, just to be safe"
Lmao we still miss synthesize on farm
There’s zero chance I’ll ever get to send CDs on pull
thin trout
anyone else still sitting at 252/259 daggers having evryething else on 278+
sure i havent done 8 mthics per week but for sure the first 4 weeks and now im just doing 4
gusty mirage
I have a 272 valor dagger and a 259 edge, and nowhere near 278 on everything else
And I’ve done 8 dungeons per week and full raid boxes, and I’ve even filled 3 pvp boxes on some weeks
I’m 274 equipped, still rocking the KT neck from last tier
odd heath
I got 2x 278 daggers, one from skolex and one from m+ vault
gusty mirage
I hate you 🙂
odd heath
But I love you
gusty mirage
Sure does
odd heath
I know the feel lol, so many cloaks on first Weeks
hollow river
Bro
Something is wrong with cloak necklace and ring bosses
They constantly just drop 4 of each for my guild
odd heath
They constantly just drop 4 of each for my guild
Same here
subtle tundra
30k envenom crit?
wat, i've been getting 30k envenoms without
odd heath
I don't even see how much my abilities hit lol
hollow river
You have to check lol
odd heath
just... check?
Checking on logs now
hollow escarp
I did get
hollow escarp
you just need to hit the boss good
ebon notch
gotta find the weak spot
odd heath
ebon notch
show on another boss
limber lion
what's the problem with jailer
maybe the p3 buff that gives you 300 mastery and 10% vers/haste/crit=?
subtle tundra
its not from there
limber lion
hollow escarp
but that's not in P1
hollow escarp
tbf, I don't remember hitting 30k, but I've seen some 27k hits in opener on halondrus
hollow escarp
but you're the first person
gusty mirage
Damn y’all are built diffy
subtle tundra
i've had 29300 on pull
subtle tundra
im checking each pull individually
hollow escarp
that dark blue background looks nice in discord
ebon notch
ye i was about to say
limber lion
wowee I hit 80k on Anduin
ebon notch
diff theme?
odd heath
What's your ilvl @subtle tundra ?
subtle tundra
277
limber lion
tbf, I don't remember hitting 30k, but I've seen some 27k hits in opener on halo...
Yes, I have too
but the thing is
they're talking about Envenoms without using Sigil
hollow escarp
average is still 9k 
odd heath
I don't even have 1 sigil :(
gusty mirage
average is still 9k <:BRUH:925059988857192488>
Shit ability
hollow escarp
I don't have sigil either
odd heath
Missing it for lord's and rygelon
hollow escarp
subtle tundra
play cache like a man
odd heath
I'm playing cache + ooze trinket 278
subtle tundra
that 31k was on opener
gusty mirage
wtb a dungeon trinket 278
You can have my phial
limber lion
I've never gotten a good max level dungeon trinket from vault
gusty mirage
I suck anyway
limber lion
no phial, no ooze, no iqd
limber lion
actually spooned
hollow escarp
same, need a dungeon trinket real bad
gusty mirage
same, need a dungeon trinket real bad
Why
limber lion
kek
gusty mirage
Why do you still have all of those
hollow escarp
Why do you still have all of those
the ruby is to flex on warlocks
gusty mirage
Upgrade the iqd and vendor the rest of the garbage
subtle tundra
also get a changeling
gusty mirage
I don’t want to
hollow escarp
amanthul's
gusty mirage
How many max ilvl mydas talismans do you have?
hollow escarp
IQD 272 sims bad for me so not upgrading it yet
hollow escarp
this set might make you mad @gusty mirage
shrouded suffocation, echoing blades, 5 legendaries
and obviously Heart of Azeroth
odd heath
I have one trinket that I never deleted
A titanforged, socketed arcanocrystal
On my boomie
Lol
gusty mirage
this set might make you mad <@192059095279337473>
Why would it make me mad
hollow escarp
I know you hate bfa 
brazen zodiac
oxi <3
gusty mirage
Azerite traits were better than every piece of borrowed power that this shit expac has given us
And essences were 
odd heath
I liked bfa dungeons also
gusty mirage
The ONLY thing wrong with Azeroth gear was acquiring azerite gear
ebon notch
Bfa had better dungeons
waycrest tho
odd heath
Freehold, underrot and junkyard were fun
ebon notch
those fucking corridors man
ebon notch
never felt claustrophobia before
ebon notch
(from a game)
gusty mirage
Triple shrouded, double ttk, and 1 clockwork heart
gusty mirage
odd heath
Setup everything, blood of the enemy, boom
exotic pasture
The ONLY thing wrong with Azeroth gear was acquiring azerite gear
And cost to respec
gusty mirage
True true
Idk man I enjoyed bfa a lot more than I enjoy SL. And I was an aotc andy who just ran keys
Maybe that’s why
subtle tundra
GET REAL
ebon notch
Idk man I enjoyed bfa a lot more than I enjoy SL. And I was an aotc andy who jus...
how many islands did you do
subtle tundra
acquiring azerite armor was the single worst thing i have ever experienced
gusty mirage
how many islands did you do
So many
subtle tundra
if the raid ones were bad
you were all up to rng
get unlucky, you cant compete
🙂 nice game!
gusty mirage
Ye that’s why I said it was the only shit part of the system
Still better than the systems we have now
zinc frost
Not to forget waiting to get your weekly box and get sweet f all
gusty mirage
Tier sets fixed that a bit
subtle tundra
Still better than the systems we have now
no
gusty mirage
I mean you’re disagreeing with my opinion
So you can say no and “get real” and you’re not changing it
gusty mirage
Not to forget waiting to get your weekly box and get sweet f all
Feels almost as good as 9 slots in the vault and getting fuck all
zinc frost
Feels almost as good as 9 slots in the vault and getting fuck all
Hey we have sockets now man 
subtle tundra
Feels almost as good as 9 slots in the vault and getting fuck all
i mean...
yes it can happen
but compare bad vaults to bad chests
how often do they each happen
gusty mirage
Often enough to dislike both systems
gusty mirage
Which makes me wonder why we haven’t gotten a currency to be able to upgrade a 272 piece to 278
subtle tundra
Which makes me wonder why we haven’t gotten a currency to be able to upgrade a 2...
so you liked titanforging
gusty mirage
What does that have to do with relying on a weekly vault to get a max ilvl item I want?
Curious what your angle is here
gusty mirage
Okay?
subtle tundra
gl getting high ilvl specific gear in bfa
burnt escarp
hey guys I am curious is deep stratagem good or is the go to marked for death? I do not have any set bonuses yet. relearning rogue again haha
subtle tundra
glad your boxes helped you
gusty mirage
Lmao so because the current system is better than the system was in bfa, it shouldn’t be improved upon at all?
You’re right, I should be super excited that we took a step in the right direction
zinc frost
hey guys I am curious is deep stratagem good or is the go to marked for death? I...
If you don’t have tier set, go venthyr MFD build
burnt escarp
MFD?
zinc frost
Marked for death
limber lion
And when you get tier set, go venthyr MFD build
burnt escarp
oh ok even for m+?
gusty mirage
Also trying to bait me into a “gotcha” moment isn’t going to work Varas. Try again
subtle tundra
Also trying to bait me into a “gotcha” moment isn’t going to work Varas. Try aga...
?
burnt escarp
thank you
subtle tundra
you on something
gusty mirage
Yeah bro for sure
slow marsh
he meant the gacha moment
kindred heron
Hi! In the FAQ we say that vigor is the move for necro multi-target / cleave, but in the logs a lot of people are going DS for pantheon and lords. Is this one of those situations where the FAQ is outdated or is it one where all the best people are private logging w/ vigor?
subtle tundra
he meant the gacha moment
you mean titanforging system?
solid venture
any andy proggers? did you go nadjia or theo?
kindred heron
Also I'm seeing a lot of venthyr for pantheon on the logs which is weird - wondering if the consensus is still necro for this fight?
thx in advance
slow marsh
you wont do damage either way so just do whatever
subtle tundra
Also I'm seeing a lot of venthyr for pantheon on the logs which is weird - wonde...
people cant be bothered to swap for 1 fight
waste everyones time for 1k dps
lole
fleet anchor
Hi! In the FAQ we say that vigor is the move for necro multi-target / cleave, bu...
I think the FAQ might be outdated in this particular case. I don't think Vigor has been the go-to for Necro for a very long time.
subtle tundra
get whispy to change!
gusty mirage
bfa was better surely
Because reading is extremely difficult for you, and all those hours of jailer prog must be making it hard to read. Let me screenshot what I said:
Crazy
Insane how words matter
subtle tundra
but it does
subtle tundra
b-but it does?????????????????????
fleet anchor
Is it possible we can compromise and agree that they are both shit? 😄
subtle tundra
nah shadowlands good
zinc frost
We all gonna be dragon healers anyways
gusty mirage
I can hate something more than something else despite the first thing being objectively “better”
subtle tundra
BUT THAT LITERALLY MEANS ITS BETTER
gusty mirage
It’s almost as if my opinion is mine and you don’t have to agree with it
fleet anchor
I find very few good things to say about either BfA or SL if I'm honest. Both xpacs did have some positives but feel they largely have been super weak xpacs with poor live support from the devs.
subtle tundra
which is better
gusty mirage
Which is what you’ve been arguing at for the last 20 minutes
hollow river
gusty mirage
I like bfa dungeons more. I like azerite traits more. I think both expacs are garbage
fleet anchor
BfA gets negative points for awful Azerite acquisition, the joke of Corruption pre-vendor, and apparently not being able to adjust Sub's class passive for 2 years.
subtle tundra
i literally stopped playing rogue bcs of corruption
fleet anchor
SL gets negative points for only having 2 major patches, and the ridiculous issues with Covenant swapping
ebon notch
just because he likes one more it doesnt mean its better
one could have the color red which he likes which would mean he wouldl ike it better
but that wouldnt mean that it is better
fleet anchor
If I could go back in time to the end of Legion, future me would have told past me that it was maybe a good time to take a break from the game 😛
gusty mirage
If I could go back in time to the end of Legion, future me would have told past ...
if I could go back to the end of Legion I would've never resubscribed
subtle tundra
im happy i played legion on private server and not retail lol
fleet anchor
Legion had its own problems
gusty mirage
I got jebaited by a ton of alt content, a great story, great dungeons, good raids, and all of the borrowed power being fixed
fleet anchor
But somehow is still way better than BfA and SL despite all the issues with legendaries and AP in the first half
gusty mirage
I missed all the terrible parts of legion
and they got me
they got my money for the last 4 years
fleet anchor
I think the issue was that while Legion had a lot of flaws initially, at least they fixed them in enough time to have a lot of "good" xpac time towards the end
But they were way more sluggish/consistent with those problems in BfA
Making mistakes like Corruption initially in the final patch despite like 4 years of lessons learned about acquisition of borrowed power
RIP
ebon notch
the other thing with legion was
it just had so much fucking content
raids were what
every 3 months?
fleet anchor
Yeah that's true
ebon notch
dont get me wrong i burnt out
but like
it was from having too much fun
and doing my degree at the same time
subtle tundra
i like just chilling
with bis gear
doing keys
parsing in raid
that wouldnt happen with 3 months
ebon notch
yeah tbh
legion release period was so much better
having to mentally prepare myself for 8 years of farm is not fun
or if i join a new guild knowing i have to sit there on farm instead of proving myself on prog is painful
doing a trial on farm is honestly way more cringe than doing it on prog
fleet anchor
Like we were around US 100 range for Gul'dan
Was about 6 weeks before ToS opened up
limber lion
I thoroughly enjoyed Legion, except for titanforging and poison bomb
fleet anchor
KJ we were US 80 and also 6 weeks until Argus opened
limber lion
Everything else was really good imo
fleet anchor
So the timeline was super tight
fleet anchor
We had an Outlaw enjoyer in our guild but it was a special person 😛
ebon notch
was it guy
limber lion
I remember getting a fully titanforged Eye of Command from the very last weekly box in legion before bfa started
fleet anchor
Titanforging was dumb yeah
gray crest
I didn't like titan forging, however I got my rogue super geared solely through titan forging in antorus. Basically only did heroic at that point and was mythic geared. Allowed me to join a guild in mythic argus prog
fleet anchor
Lucking into that Titanforged WQ stat stick and having it be BiS for 90% of the tier 🤣
main solar
the proc rate on poison bomb in legion sucked, but damn did it feel good when it did in a pack of mobs.
limber lion
I had a friend who got a 980 Unstable Arcanocrystal from the vendor
very interesting way of gearing for sure
fleet anchor
lol
limber lion
the proc rate on poison bomb in legion sucked, but damn did it feel good when it...
PB should have been permanently removed
Not sure why they made it into a talent
very boring
trim cairn
Could just make it baseline though
The sound it makes when it procs is value enough
xd
limber lion
What's that?
ebon notch
What's that?
envenom
vestal wren
I find very few good things to say about either BfA or SL if I'm honest. Both xp...
+++
ebon notch
rygalon
wait fuck
bro the guys in my guild cant pronounce shit
ive heard so many variations of the boss its broken me
ryjelon
rygeleon
vestal wren
There was very little farm in Legion
people did play m+ a lot more in legion
ebon notch
rygalon
vestal wren
esp. due to tianforging
i remember a lot of appeal from people to no-life grind it back then
to get insane gear before even going into mythic
the clear downside was that people did not need stuff from mythic gear wise due to that
tidal gorge
People didn't play m+ a lot more, they played maw of souls a lot more though 😛
vestal wren
but it is interessting to compare to current m+ when people complain that it is not a "good gearing path"
because inherently titan forging solves this issue for m+
tidal gorge
M+ itemization is an interesting problem. Right now the most frustrating thing is no real targetability. Phial might take you 5 runs or 50 runs based on luck of the draw. But if you could target only the pieces you want with valor or something, would it mostly die off? I personally don't gaf about running high keys like some people do
tidal gorge
I'm not defending that either, that was garbage lol
subtle tundra
50 and guaranteed max ilvl-6
ebon notch
the only benefit of titanforging was that there was actually a chance to get an upgrade from pushing higher keys
vast loom
i think right now m+ is in a good spot with the current version of vault, unless you are pushing into last 3 mythic very early in the tier m+ is where you are getting a large portion of your gear until you can get a suitable amount of mythic on farm
vestal wren
@subtle tundra true, i think a more deterministic system like valor is better
vast loom
but specific items are awful to farm
vestal wren
for titanforging, you basically could fish for higher forges long term
this gives you more incentives to run m+ more
subtle tundra
but specific items are awful to farm
you also farmed specific items back then
vast loom
yeah awful now awful then
vestal wren
i think m+ runners atm are often at a point they can't rly get a upgrade from m+ anymore
vast loom
i think thats okay? if you are able to get to that point early because you do it a lot isnt that a good thing?
tidal gorge
The biggest problem I had with titanforging was also the lack of control. The chance of you getting a 985 or whatever was small, but the chance of you getting a 985 of the item you actually wanted was like winning the freakin lottery
tidal gorge
True. One of my ideas way back was that titanforges would be tokens instead and you could apply them to an item. So over time your gear would get more and more titanforged
bleak sky
idk I don't think this is okay
yeah run +28 last season at the end of the patch with not the literal best gear you can
because you can't get it from anywhere else other than vault
vestal wren
True. One of my ideas way back was that titanforges would be tokens instead and ...
more control is always better, so i am all for it
vast loom
i wonder if too much control could be "unfun" like if everyweek you could walk to your vault click on your BIS drop would that lead to just every Rogue walking in and clicking bis weapon for 2 weeks then never needing a weapon the rest of the tier. but also with no control it feels awful being at the end of the tier still waiting for the 278 phial. i feel like there is a middle ground of maybe being able to buy the upgradable versions of items but only getting the 278 version out of RNG
hollow escarp
idk I don't think this is okay
I still use a 239 version of the nine trinket on my monk 
vestal wren
I think the rpg concept is fun if you get upgrades from raids/etc
but high power level items do not feel good if they are heavily locked behind rng
vast loom
yeah maybe i could see a token that can turn a max upgraded item into the full mythic version?
tidal gorge
One nice improvement idea I saw for vault was the ability to "bank" an item in the case that you get more than one good item the same week. The banked item would show up the next week, either in a separate slot specifically for that purpose or taking up one of your regular slots
vestal wren
and this was shows multiple times in the past xpacs:
- Legion: Legendary item drops at the start of the xpac
- BfA: Azerite armor acquisition
- BfA: Corruption
- SL: Domination sockets
- SL: Sylvanas dagger
- SL: Tier set acquisition
vast loom
I feel like tier set is solved with CC, its just CC was implemented too late
bleak sky
cc is good
subtle tundra
didnt ion say he likes that sylv dagger is still relevant
bleak sky
yeah maybe i could see a token that can turn a max upgraded item into the full m...
sure, as long as it's not given to the players 4 months into the patch
vast loom
he said its okay at best, but in general its negative feedback when previous tier items are good next tier
but he said he doesnt want another arcanocrystal like situation
i think in general its fine but atleast give us a non rng way to acquire old items. it would be sick if old tiers just dropped currency to go buy that tiers stuff might even get people running it for transmog if you can just buy the shit oyu want
prime robin
on cleave fights like prototype. im guessing when ur in ur vend window. you fully focus reapplying on ur main target - coz i virtually have no free space to apply a bleed on a 2nd target due to the speed bleeds tick down ? thanks (only crimson tempest ofc which gets applied naturally).
vestal wren
didnt ion say he likes that sylv dagger is still relevant
yes
ion kind of contradicted himself in the interview
silent remnant
guys whats the opener with 4p and ct?
vestal wren
with first saying that people shouldn't feel obligated to go back to old content and then stating that stuff like sylvanas dagger is fine
solid venture
who said envenom cant do big dam
subtle tundra
im deep in that jailussy rn
slow marsh
i wonder how much evis does to remnant
subtle tundra
evis isnt a big dmg ability either lol
slow marsh
agree but its bigger than env
subtle tundra
i dont think ive done 30k with evis
limber lion
I'm pretty sure Envenom does more damage than Eviscerate
slow marsh
oh well maybe tbh i stopped playing with numbers a long time ago so i have no clue what buttons do damage
limber lion
But 30k Envenoms aren't really exciting to me when I do 90k bites with my 250 ilvl Feral
silent remnant
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/9558550997611...
tyalot
trim cairn
I don't think they can make Evis do big hits anymore without reworking Sub
Despite having a mastery that boosts finishers
slow marsh
im prolly just getting jebaited by evis damage numbers in overall because they probably just have so many more casts
limber lion
Yeh
vestal wren
trim cairn
That's with echoing reprimand tho
So prolly 7cp + 5% damage increase from ds
compared to 5cp
limber lion
Yeah on our Jailer Push used Evis 116 times compared to my 34 Envenoms
lol
But yeah, Evis also has its shadow portion that's why it's quite a bit more
trim cairn
That made me curious about how much the Envenom buff contributes to dps
limber lion
A lot
trim cairn
So I hover over Envenom and then Deadly Poison only to notice that DP has 150% chance to apply?
Just a tooltip error?
slim wagon
at how many targets do we drop snd in m+ as assa? for some reason I always keep it up even in large pulls. Is that in faq and I missed it?
limber lion
Envenom increases poison application change by 30%
trim cairn
And here I thought they sneakily added a covert multistrike to deadly poison
limber lion
at how many targets do we drop snd in m+ as assa? for some reason I always keep ...
Never.
You always maintain SnD
on 1 target
and on 297 targets
subtle tundra
WHAT ABOUT 3 targets
balmy condor
and on 297 targets
so not on 298 got it
limber lion
so not on 298 got it
that's right
slim wagon
then my habit of keeping snd up was correct without thinking about it
limber lion
if you pull the entire DoS instance, including Hakkar room, the entire Mechagnome section and Ardenweald together
Then you can probably drop your SnD
subtle tundra
actually
balmy condor
jar op
subtle tundra
thats less than 297
trim cairn
subtle tundra
i want
vestal wren
nice
vestal wren
2% or so
limber lion
it's pretty similar for both
slim wagon
I've been removed from my guild's wf group cause I'm the one the doesnt whine about it 😦
slow marsh
as long as they didnt replace you for dh thats fine
slim wagon
dh+2 fury wars
bleak sky
dh on wf group
prime robin
on cleave fights like prototype. im guessing when ur in ur vend window. you fully focus reapplying on ur main target - coz i virtually have no free space to keep up bleeds on a 2nd target due to the speed bleeds tick down ? thanks (only crimson tempest ofc which gets applied naturally).
slow marsh
literally better for tanks
slow marsh
they hate you and raid dps
slim wagon
gg go next
subtle tundra
not playing this pull
safe frigate
dh windfury is <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
bleak sky
dh main
safe frigate
cringe.
bleak sky
safe frigate
On our last halondrus rekill they kicked out Whispyr for me in WF. I felt so bad.
I wanted WF, but what did it cost?
subtle tundra
was he assa or sub
safe frigate
Sub.
strange python
I wanna play feral instead of rogue :(
bleak sky
yeah play convoke bot
zinc frost
I’m gearing up a feral, necro swarm looks interesting
strange python
I'm just bored being 6 weeks benched
limber lion
You and me buddy
strange python
Tru
I’m not even playing for halondrus
Gonna be unsat on like jailer at this point
scarlet jacinth
Hello everyone, i have a noob question. Is the 4 piece tier set worth it? I am losing 200 versatility and for a rogue being squishy it's making me rethink. The 4 piece bonus being like an exsanguinate i guess? Since my legendary is my shoulders and belt. That leaves me only chest and gloves as option.
odd heath
Hello everyone, i have a noob question. Is the 4 piece tier set worth it? I am l...
Yes, it is worth it
Around 20% increase in dps iirc
subtle tundra
uh, are you talking about pvp?xd
subtle tundra
lol
odd heath
Oh, pvp is another beast
scarlet jacinth
Yeah in rated pvp lol
tidal gorge
It is still a large amount of burst. One of my guild's tanks was complaining about double sin rogue burst while getting 1800 for the mog
scarlet jacinth
I already have two pieces. But since my legendary are my shoulder and belt, it leaves me only chest and gloves. And neither have versatility for tier (Assassination)
My concern is how much will that affect my survibility
gusty mirage
20%? that is nice lol. Is losing 200 versatility ok?
yes, 4pc is worth it in pvp
focus on getting helm, pants, and shoulders as they have vers on them
and then probably go gloves and toss unity on chest
scarlet jacinth
and then probably go gloves and toss unity on chest
Thank you! Might cost me some gold redoing my legendaries but worth it i think. Okay will get those!
red plaza
Guild is having issues on the 2nd intermission of Halondrus. Anybody know if you’re able to “solo” the entire intermission as a rogue or have any tips on good timings?
Currently assigned to 2nd set of bombs. Partner picks it up last second, we push dps to skip reclaim, he drops it, and I pick it up as late as possible when the gate opens.
Unfortunately after that things fall apart with everybody else in the guild getting booped off or dying, so I don’t know for certain if I’m able to make it the whole way, dropping, cloaking debuff off, and carrying again.
ebon notch
rank 4 rygelon
cba
i dont have the stamina to blast that long its so cringe
first 2 hours im beating the PI bug abusing warlocks
last 2 im only beating the boomie
subtle tundra
you mean the kyrian abusing warlocks
ebon notch
being kyrian is the bug
subtle tundra
i wish i was there for our kill 😦
gusty mirage
Guild is having issues on the 2nd intermission of Halondrus. Anybody know if you...
I don't think it's possible to solo the entirety of the intermission, but what I did is I save sprint and when the 2nd(?) knockback is happening I sprint as far as I can and drop the bomb for my partner to pick up as we're running into the third room
ebon notch
Guild is having issues on the 2nd intermission of Halondrus. Anybody know if you...
what you CAN do is reset the timer on the bomb by cloaking and picking it up
and then dropping it again
red plaza
👍 sounds good thanks
keen vortex
does anyone have a snapshot wa so that i dont reapply bleeds and overwrite them after vendetta?
gusty mirage
does anyone have a snapshot wa so that i dont reapply bleeds and overwrite them ...
probably the best you'll get for now
keen vortex
ty ty
hybrid vale
Yeah in rated pvp lol
I’ve seen ppl experiment with just 2 pc without 4 set for the extra secondaries I believe
In PvP ofc *
I know the pros don’t use 4 set for outlaw most the time, but 4 set assa is much stronger even tho it was nerfed by 50%
tidal gorge
what you CAN do is reset the timer on the bomb by cloaking and picking it up
I'm not completely sure this works anymore. Last night I got 1-shot by a 100k tick when I dropped the bomb the second time after using the cloak trick. (After holding it the whole duration until then) Coulda just been a fluke I guess.
glass tulip
it does work
sounds like a bomb just exploded lol, usually the debuff from picking it up a 2nd time will kill you by doing about 60-70k
ebon notch
I'm not completely sure this works anymore. Last night I got 1-shot by a 100k ti...
you cant perma hold it
you can only hold it the duration of cloak
glass tulip
Cloaking doesn't clear your debuff, just negates the damage while cloak is active
ebon notch
ye
glass tulip
ye
tidal gorge
Huh, then it must have bugged out to let me hold it the entire duration until that point 😂
Wasn't hard to just trade it mid intermission either though, so we do that barring an emergency
glass tulip
yeah not that bad, we mostly traded going into intermissions, had 1 person grab it before the 1st knock, run way up ahead and then the other person grabs it to bring it to the next room
30s made it such a snooze fest
brazen zodiac
@limber lion to sim panth specifically, would you recommend 4t, 2m, with enemy_initial_health_percentage=50 put in? thx in advance
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> to sim panth specifically, would you recommend 4t, 2m, wit...
40%, but yeah that looks fine.
I would do a normal 5min 2T sim as well and compare the results
and then make the choices by looking at em both
brazen zodiac
awesome thanks, preppin for mythic prog on it tonight pog
gusty mirage
<@165215952479322112> to sim panth specifically, would you recommend 4t, 2m, wit...
THE BETRAYAL
brazen zodiac
please i cant lose you
i promise itll be fried served with hot fries
ill even change the oil just for u
ebon notch
I get it dude, I'm not as good as cev or anywhere near as hot
is cev hot
i mean if you're into blond dudes then he is automatically i guess
spice spire
Ye
brazen zodiac
i want pasta
spice spire
Then make some pasta 
hybrid vale
Do you guys think dat Ret pallies are strong rn
My guild may let me Ret instead of holy and I really wanna not holy cause there’s way too much going on for me
bleak sky
ret is probably in a similar position to rogue
timid cloud
Ret is actually decent now.
With a bonker, they can sim higher than us IIRC
With the Cev pandemic WA's should I delete my rupture & garrote from the Afenars?
Nvm, I didn't read.
hybrid vale
ret has some new shit i think
Rotation feels smooth enough. I heard earlier in the patch that they were doing really good but ever since ppl got tier nobody talks about them anymore
Not sure if those 2 are related
oak sky
their set got buffed and i think i heard they might have a new build or something
not positive on the build
hybrid vale
Oh really
oak sky
like i said not positive
timid cloud
Looks the same to me.
hybrid vale
Wings got nerfed for 9.2 I wonder how they were in 9.1 with the better version of wings
timid cloud
hybrid vale
Ya I’m looking at 9.1 wcl, meta has changed a good anount since
ebon notch
<@124465215826821120> rygelon big banger??
huh
oak sky
ebon notch
bro your boss damage during wild spirits
hasty siren
!cahce
hasty siren
!cache
prisma monolithBOT
Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand
ebon notch
he was MM
timid cloud
It's nearly the same.
oak sky
you only notice if you stare at the meter
oak sky
or like on sin if your flag timing is fucked
ebon notch
its a flat % damage increase
ebon notch
even if you didnt notice during the pull
when you notice you are fighting with the tanks
you should notice
oak sky
after you should notice yes
ebon notch
the entire evening it didnt work
simple pike
It is normal that my rogue feels so weak and squishy? Im lvl 20 doing bfa
timid cloud
You're better off leveling in Sub.
simple pike
yes rogue feels rough during leveling
Does it get better after?
oak sky
outlaw is decent early sub gets better later on
but really rogue only feels great at max level
timid cloud
Yeah, it's an end-game class.
gusty mirage
someone save me