assassination

[brazen zodiac]

down to funky town or

[bleak sky]

imma go fork socket

and toaster bath

[oak sky]

isnt dino nuggies gone too

[brazen zodiac]

might as well start apply to another guild

[bleak sky]

yes

dino nuggies dead

ktb dead, pieces dead

[brazen zodiac]

minalba dead, man shit rough out there

[timid cloud]

RIP Intern

[hexed root]

dino nuggies dead too????

they just killed jailer

literally

[timber gale]

i finally did rly well on halondrus

this has been my rogue update

[balmy condor]

[sour wraith]

[timber gale]

it's all downhill from here

[hexed root]

I swear... the 2 guilds I've killed skolex with only kill the boss if I die early.. I'm so salty on this fight now

[oak sky]

i died while teleporting on xymox hate this

literally inside the teleporter the sound effect played

[brazen zodiac]

zzzz

[oak sky]

yeah

im bouta

int skolex

because we dont have a monk in

[drowsy hollow]

am I weird for hoping the sin 2p becomes a talent?

[sour citrus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[hollow river]

Why do you think they’re all throwing in the towel

[bleak sky]

[hollow river]

I know it’s a long ass tier but like

They could just take a long break

[bleak sky]

haven't been playing this long enough to have a feel for it

[hollow river]

I mean idk if anyone’s ever raided this long

For top 100

Or should I rephrase

Raiding almost everyday or at least 3+ days to kill end boss

When these guilds are typically like top 10-25

Soniqs imperative, pieces, iktb, Dino nuggies

[ebon notch]

idk i was talking to someone about this earlier

these guilds will almost certainly come back in the new expac

[hollow river]

Kinda crazy

[ebon notch]

theyre just burnt out rn

[hollow river]

But like

[ebon notch]

pieces brand recognition is too good to give up

[hollow river]

Full blown disband means they won’t doesn’t it?

[ebon notch]

who says the management cant come back under the same name and reform?

guilds do it all the time

[hollow river]

Or at least 50%+ of the team won’t I’m sure

[ebon notch]

i know several guilds that did it at the start of SL

when they had previously disbanded during BFA

[hollow river]

Sure but

Idk

[bleak sky]

this is probably something Rosvalll/Stjern/Cev/Lok/Guy could give insight or thoughts

but not me

[ebon notch]

some even disbanded on SLG and came back for SoFO

[hollow river]

Idk maybe I’m too new to the mythic scene

I mean I’ve seen it before yeah

But a couple of those guilds have literally never broken up afaik

In yeeeeeaaaars

[ebon notch]

true

but they usually have a super strong core

so

like irl friends core

[hollow river]

Ye

I guess that also makes it easier to reform

[brazen zodiac]

@oak sky

update on mental

[oak sky]

its not getting fixed

our last half hour is gonna be wiping to halondrus

[brazen zodiac]

would u like a bite of my burrito i just made it

[oak sky]

no

[brazen zodiac]

its doomed

[oak sky]

i dont want anything i want to be in a guild that doesnt grief every pull of every boss

[brazen zodiac]

considered applying to new ones?

[hollow river]

Almost impossible

[oak sky]

i did before the tier

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

im quite literally gonna run in the middle of the boss and pretend i dced if we dont get a feast

[hollow river]

I had to fill in for Anduin prog tn

[brazen zodiac]

darn

[hollow river]

And I was DCing the entire fucking time

So fucking tilted

Beyond tilted

[glass tulip]

people throwing our halondrus

getting to P3 but cant make it without the same 3 people dead carrying bombs

[hollow river]

If I’m not locked next week Mav

Get me in there

😈

[glass tulip]

we'll most likely be extended on anduin by then

[hollow river]

Yeah we are atm

[hexed root]

so many illidan guilds disbanding qq

[oak sky]

NA is NA

doesnt matter what server

[drowsy hollow]

Pieces was a management decision. Their raiders didn't know

I can definitely imagine burning out on recruiting, managing the finance side and all that

[obtuse robin]

some of them are trialing with liquid already

[drowsy hollow]

That played into it. Constantly losing players to liquid

[hollow river]

i'm not so sure they they were getting acquired by liquid until after the news of the disband

it was stated that liquid almost never-if not never- poached from pieces idk

[drowsy hollow]

I don't think it was poached more as players wanting to move up

So pieces players would inquire about openings and move there.

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

You're welcome papi

[balmy condor]

[drowsy hollow]

I finally made some tier for my rogue. It doesn't look super impactful, but the 2p seems fun.

[subtle tundra]

Soon assa will conquer the world

[obtuse robin]

what new tech did i miss

[gusty mirage]

are you proud of me dad

[obtuse robin]

[bleak sky]

sin best M+ spec

because sub aoe is useless

and sin ST is better

draven sin keys = demonic power hour

[obtuse robin]

oh just do normal sin things then

even on fort?

[bleak sky]

no idea this is all a meme

[obtuse robin]

i c

[bleak sky]

but they're enjoying themselves on 28-30 range

[subtle tundra]

Timing world first keys ain't a meme

Wtf

[bleak sky]

only isn't a meme when you listen to me and play draven ok

until then MEME

[subtle tundra]

Fuck you

[bleak sky]

no u

destroyed

[subtle tundra]

I'll play monk then

[bleak sky]

unsubbing

[obtuse robin]

varas streamw?

nvm found it

[bleak sky]

varas is secretly RatIRL

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hexed shadow]

Why are people respec to sin for M+? I thought Sub is the go to now?

I just resubbed so I have no idea :/

[gusty mirage]

varas propaganda

its working

[bleak sky]

sin about to take over

garret 1 garret 2 garret 3

[gusty mirage]

take over what?

afking until boss?

[bleak sky]

the world

the great push

[subtle tundra]

Talk for months about assa being good and people will eventually believe it, true or not

[gusty mirage]

bro break the meta is later this year

[hexed shadow]

Oh i mean for M+

[gusty mirage]

stop it

[hexed shadow]

is sin better for M+ now rather than sub?

[gusty mirage]

no

[bleak sky]

|| maybe ||

[subtle tundra]

Then why is wf 30 hoa done with assa

Checkmate

[bleak sky]

maybe aoe is not needed

did we get to this point

that 2 dps can do all the aoe needed

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

25 tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

tbh w/ destro & survival

it isn't

[bleak sky]

because I'll time keys

[gusty mirage]

and I've been saying that

[bleak sky]

because I'm a freak of nature

[obtuse robin]

im wacthing a varas vod as we speak

[subtle tundra]

Ok what does that have to do with assa being good

[obtuse robin]

[subtle tundra]

It's not popular

[bleak sky]

can you play sin in a non terrorist dps comp

no

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

Yes cause then you're not doing 30

And it doesn't matter

[bleak sky]

I'll do 30

right now

try me

[gusty mirage]

I think you have to log on first

bdk main

[ashen scroll]

Wait im so confused what does sin do better than sub in halls? Probably just boss dam? Negative aoe

[gusty mirage]

smh

[bleak sky]

that's me YES

chad bdk vs beta cuck rogue

[subtle tundra]

Guys, good luck with all the assa m+ questions

I will not help

[gusty mirage]

I hate and love you for this

[bleak sky]

you're the problem varas

fix the issues

[gusty mirage]

there is no issue

well

fok being ass is an issue

[bleak sky]

there will be if they keep timing 30s and up

[gusty mirage]

and idk if varas can fix that

[bleak sky]

[subtle tundra]

Just play more crit

Ez

[gusty mirage]

bruh I was getting 1cp foks with 51% crit in 9.1

[bleak sky]

ackchuallly if you have no crit amps vers is equal to crit at a 3:1 ratio

[subtle tundra]

Any 42% crit

[gusty mirage]

just gotta roll numbers better

[subtle tundra]

Me, in 6 target pull with flag going, doing 4 foks for a finisher

[bleak sky]

just symbols and then fok

[gusty adder]

Raider.io says sub did the 30 HoA

[subtle tundra]

[ashen scroll]

Probably spec swapped

[gusty mirage]

ye he swapped

if you look at leggos

duskwalker's

[ashen scroll]

Sub until 2 boss then sin after probably?

[gusty adder]

Can't tell if meming

[gusty mirage]

about what

[kindred rapids]

Today was a good day, two rank 3s

[gusty mirage]

[kindred rapids]

priest trolled me with one PI on guardian https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#boss=2512&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[gusty adder]

did he stream it? Really want to see it ngl (not that I dont believe ya)

[gusty mirage]

I'm not sure if he did, I know varas did tho

[subtle tundra]

I mean

[kindred rapids]

Could probably have been the highest unbuffed

[gusty mirage]

varas is a sneaky lil gamer

[subtle tundra]

Ive been doing high keys as assa

I did 29 hoa yesterday

With like +30 timer

[gusty mirage]

I want to see the ultimate challenge

[gusty adder]

I want to see that as well, do you have a twitchlink?

[gusty mirage]

make outlaw work on a 28

[subtle tundra]

Assa isn't that bad

[gusty mirage]

for sure

assassination isn't particularly terrible at m+, it never has been

[ashen scroll]

Sin aoe is closer to sub, than sub is to sv or destro

[gusty mirage]

just a stigma it's had since forever

[subtle tundra]

My twitch is linked to disc

[bleak sky]

self promotion

ban him

[gusty adder]

perfect, thanks.

[gusty mirage]

people just tend to flock to the easier choice

[subtle tundra]

Ask minalba, he is my Nr 1 fan

[bleak sky]

!ban Varas self promoting andy

[gusty mirage]

I brought it up tho

[bleak sky]

TRUE

[bleak sky]

destro warlocks

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro I had a destro lock doing 9k overall in a 17 dos I did earlier

it was sick

what a gamer

[subtle tundra]

People are scared of experimenting

Trying shit out

Oh, nobody is playing assa, must be bad

[gusty mirage]

it doesn't help that most people shit on you for even trying something out

like only one way to see if something is viable or not

and that's by doing it

[bleak sky]

look at that super complex rotation

weaving in conflagrates? super intense

[gusty mirage]

they felt the nerf, okay?

[bleak sky]

they're unaware

[gusty mirage]

I got something for you minalba

give me like 2min

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

pre-nerf rotation:

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

have to stay hydrate to scream at the priest to PI them, ye know?

[white gull]

is iqd sim bait?

!iqd

[bleak sky]

Why would it be?

[white gull]

caus it sims with 100% stat increase, could be lower

[bleak sky]

You can change that option :)

[mossy moon]

I played venth in keys last week, is this week leaning more towards necro or what u guys think?

talkin bout keys if it wasnt obv 😛

[placid snow]

Morning! How is sin compared to Sub? Considering gearing up my rogue but do not enjoy sub in m+ 😛

[balmy condor]

Fine

[blazing totem]

it's a bit worse than sub in m+ but it's playable

[obtuse robin]

idk theres some new sin tech going around

wf 30 hoa with sin

[blazing totem]

sin is actually pretty good on tyranic weeks due to priority damage

[obtuse robin]

im just sayyyyingggg

[willow sundial]

Is there still a bug with 2pc, when you have 2 assa rogues?

[obtuse robin]

no

[willow sundial]

Isn't this log saying otherwise or am I missing something

[vestal wren]

sin tech 👀 ?

[obtuse robin]

well idk if thats a meme or not but ram did a 30 hoa with sin

and varas doing it to

seems if u know what ur doing sin can be more useful then sub

[vestal wren]

80% uptime of 2p seems a bit high

[obtuse robin]

or something

[vestal wren]

assassination or kyrian sub can make sense in certain dungeons

thats why ram did run sin

it is part of adopting to needs of specific dungeons and experimenting with what works

[subtle tundra]

🍌

Tgp tech

[willow sundial]

So there might something to it still being bugged?

[vestal wren]

if it is due to a bug, it is a very positive one

[willow sundial]

Yup

Aslong as we dont fuck each other up

[loud light]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qTHxgZM9RVhj2LCp#fight=20&type=auras&source=13&spells=debuffs&by=target&ability=364668

that's just the combat log never logging a fade event for grudge match on necrotic ritualist 7

[willow sundial]

Aight

tyty

[timid cloud]

Uh-oh the Shiv meme is gonna come back.

[random fossil]

is there any way to sim a vault piece as if i used it in the catalyst

[hollow escarp]

yes

click plus on the vault item

add item from catalyst

and then select it

[random fossil]

oh

i dumb

thank you

[kindred vigil]

does anybody have the exact list of spells which the axe from cache will proc from?

[glass tulip]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[glass tulip]

It simply rotates on a timer, no procs.

[hallow sonnet]

Not all crits proc the bleed. It's depending on where the originate from.

[glass tulip]

Oh I understand the question now, good looking out

Like which spells will actually apply the axe bleed after you press the trink

[pseudo hamlet]

Does it matter what kind of stats I put on legendaries? The sims are showing me that crit+mast is > haste+crit.
Got heavy haste+crit gear though. Was wondering about putting haste+vers because of the PvP.

[hollow escarp]

if you only craft one, just use the better stats overall

I made my unity crit/vers for example because I can use the same legendary on sub

[proper moon]

Is there a list or sheet that shows what fleshcraft can immune through in m+?

[echo geyser]

I can tell u 2 good ones

Mist first boss fear

3rd boss plaguefall stun

[hollow escarp]

not playing venthyr in mists though

[echo geyser]

time to experiment more sin

[hollow escarp]

idk if you can afford to pop on pull on fortified

[proper moon]

Yo also that sin gameplay in that 30 pf was epic, made me try out sin

[echo geyser]

This week is kinda calling for Kevin tho

[vestal wren]

or kyrian sub maybe? 😏

[echo geyser]

[hollow escarp]

I think Ram is not a nightstalker enjoyer

[proper moon]

I also saw fleshcraft works on that dot from Kultharok and the plague rain as well?

[vestal wren]

haha, well have fun

[hollow escarp]

plague rain?

[proper moon]

Not sure about those but that's what it looked like to me unless there was some instant dispel voodoo going on

Last boss pf

[echo geyser]

You can immune kultarok stun too, but u wont get dmg buff

[indigo mulch]

Any links? =3

[hollow escarp]

it's good to for dr on last boss plaguefall

that's about it

[indigo mulch]

Im hesitant to play sin in keys

[hollow escarp]

there's not so many reasons to play assa in keys other than fun tbf

and if you want to time +30 PF

[echo geyser]

or halls

[proper moon]

I mean if there are any links or sheets for what fleshcraft works on I would love to see it, currently have an unholy dk in my push group who practically refuses to use defensives 50% of the time and would like to give him more info on the craft

[echo geyser]

Are u talking about the baseline fleshcraft

Or cc immune

[hollow escarp]

why do you think assa is better than sub there, just single target?

HoA feels the most iconic sub key because of the shards

[echo geyser]

just swap mid key

[hollow escarp]

[proper moon]

The part that gives immunities from various abilities

[echo geyser]

I see

Theres no list, its an experience thing

I was maining necro outlaw start of season 2

[hollow escarp]

can you immune Gorechop chains?

[echo geyser]

I know most, therees nothing crazy apart from the ones i told u

Yes chains work

[hollow escarp]

although I see no reason why would yo do that instead of walking

[echo geyser]

If u get stuck i guess, it also looks funny

[proper moon]

Also if I can pick your brain about the solo trading in streets, is there ever a time where the positioning is so bad that even with full wo you cannot live through the solo? I've been really struggling with it, managed to do it today in my 21 but had to burn vanish after dropping off the 2nd delivery due to there being too many mobs at the 1st dropoff.

[echo geyser]

Nah u gotta save it till ur done

[proper moon]

Yeah but I would rather vanish than die surely?

[echo geyser]

I mean u can do blind big mob

Small one u just gotta try to avoid

[proper moon]

Also do you have it glitch out sometimes so when you drop the item it just hovers over the circle on the ground and doesn't turn in?

[echo geyser]

Yeah probably

[echo geyser]

Nope

[proper moon]

Weird I must be doing something wrong then, it's happened 2/9 times

[blissful forge]

what weapon do we use as asssa in m+ from cache?

axe aswell on aoe/st?

[proper moon]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[blissful forge]

or do we go full brrr haste with venth assa in keys with the sword proc

[echo geyser]

Try to hug the walls/not be close to small pack whenever u turn and pickup cause it breaks wo stealth

[proper moon]

Yeah I follow that, but recently the 1st turn in I had was the one immediately behind where you pick up the 1st item (as if you were to go to the mailroom from the club) and there were just 3 guys there that wouldn't move. I tried to drop it off in the back but immediately picked up aggro

Then dropped it off and clumsily had to hop over the items to pick up the newly placed item in teh front

Had to burn evasion there as well

Went and dropped off the 2nd, had to blind and yet again there were another 3 mobs there so I had to vanish

Ended up working but dragged mobs back onto group

I'm probs just bad but I can't seem to get it consistently at all

[echo geyser]

Can always try to sap the closest mob

[proper moon]

Does distract help when dropping off an item?

When i break stealth?

[echo geyser]

It decreases detection range but if theyre close theyll still see u

[proper moon]

Gotcha

[echo geyser]

So helps but only sometimes

[proper moon]

Cuz the way I see it is I have these utils:

Vanish
Sprint
Shadowstep
Distract
Blind
Crimson Vial
Evasion
Door of Shadows
Cloak of Shadows

I have to save Vanish for the end

I don't think Cloak helps with anything

on this section at least

[echo geyser]

Csn u even shadowstep without breaking wo?

[proper moon]

I do not know

I was hoping you would lol

I know sprinting doesn't break it

[echo geyser]

U can in stealth, but not sure about having items

[proper moon]

entering stealth does break it tho lol

[echo geyser]

Never tried

[hollow escarp]

slice and distract break wo, learned from personal experience, good thing I had vanish ready and no hots on me from healer

[echo geyser]

But entering stealth is safe no?

[slim wagon]

yeah

[proper moon]

I don't think it is

[hollow escarp]

unless you are in combat for some reason

[proper moon]

Maybe wrong but I tried next to the pack on SoA and pulled it

[echo geyser]

I usually press my stealth

[proper moon]

And the wo sphere thing drops

[echo geyser]

Gonna have to pug i guess

[proper moon]

I press it when far away from mobs only now

[echo geyser]

Kinda shit week

Spiteful

Maybe random combat

[proper moon]

For sure it's icky, get a monk

About to pug a 20 SD, will test a couple of those when the lock/shammy spam aoe and kill wo at some point when I'm not watching

[slim wagon]

you don't hate to save it for the end. You'd rather make sure you use it to complete the trades, you might have to blind one of the guys that fixate but he will ignore you after you trade the item. Worst case scenario in the end you drag some non elites to your group if you have used vanish earlier and pull again

[proper moon]

I mean I guess but it does leave me vulnerable without it

[slim wagon]

you have sprint and evasion for your way out

[echo geyser]

I know that u can stealth and shadow step with wo

But not sure about carrying the trade item

[proper moon]

Oh also do the muscle adds spawn dependent on time? I think they do because I held the item waiting for wo buff and one of them spawned earlier without me moving

[echo geyser]

No clue

[slim wagon]

ye I think it's timed, not sure, most of the times I dont get any with good trader spots, or Iget one near the end and blind it. It drops combat after I drop the item

[proper moon]

Have a friend who's going to work on a WA/addon for the trades soon that would use TomTom to navigate

Would help beginners with it

[slim wagon]

there is one that pops a minimap in the middle of your screen already

you jsut have to get used of the orientation

[proper moon]

I know but sometimes it's hard to orient ya know

And it just wastes time, esp if you're bad like me

starting key rn will be on and off

[slim wagon]

you'll get used to it soon though, dont stress about it, gl in your key

[hallow sonnet]

Tricks also breaks Wo I learned :p

[slim wagon]

am I the only that still stealths while in wo? for better or worse :p

[limber lion]

No reason not to :)

[hallow sonnet]

Well, I guess there's edge cases where stealthing can be worse. Pretty sure stealthing breaks Wo, and Wo is more powerful than stealth. So if you're close to a mob with Wo and then stealth, you might be seen :p

[storm onyx]

Need remember to stealth at engage though, for subterfuge

[limber lion]

That's not true

[hallow sonnet]

Which part?

[limber lion]

Stealth breaking Wo

[hallow sonnet]

At least visually, Wo drops

[limber lion]

no it does not

I always stealth between packs, with and without Wo

[hallow sonnet]

mmmh I've pointed it out to someone in our group once

Maybe we're talking around eachother here

Like you gain stealth instead

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1473934149?t=0h23m42s

Check the visual there f.ex

[hollow escarp]

it does break wo

but if you are far enough from a pack it does not pull

[limber lion]

Or are you referring to the actual cast breaking Wo?

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah hence edge case, have to be close enough infront of a pack where you're detected in stealth

Yes

[limber lion]

Because if you're in stealth with Wo, you have the entire Wo buff

It does go away for 0.5s or whatever when you cast it

[hallow sonnet]

Yes

[limber lion]

but it stays on during the entire stealth

Yeh yeh

[hallow sonnet]

Casting stealth breaks wo :p

[hollow escarp]

you can get unlucky though

[limber lion]

Like if you stealth right after a pack, you'll still have Wo

For the entire duration

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

You don't have either or

you have em both

[hollow escarp]

the buff is not just invis so it stays

in low keys you can clear 2 packs while having the same wo buff

[hallow sonnet]

I mean you can do anything you like without Wo dropping

99% of the time you get Wo, you're still in combat dps'ing stuff

But being in combat or using an ability drop the invis part

Including casting stealth

[limber lion]

But there is no reason to never cast stealth right after a pack dies

There are no mobs near you when you kill a pack

[hallow sonnet]

Hence it's an edge case :p

[hollow escarp]

resetting a boss because wo can happen more often than pulling mobs because you casted stealth

[hallow sonnet]

By the rogue pulling you mean? Or, I don't follow

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[hallow sonnet]

Ah, never experienced that. But good to know

[hollow escarp]

me neither

I did hear others

[limber lion]

I wonder if Vy can pull extra packs with his teleport thingy

teleports in the middle of a pack nearby

We never take it so I wouldn't know

[hallow sonnet]

If it's within 5y and someone directly attacks it, then it should be possible yea

Should be similar to emissaries

[tribal obsidian]

Is counter measure mandatory? Looks like it is performing insane on logs

[thin trout]

How does PI on us during vendetta compare to others?

[hollow escarp]

not the greatest

[hallow sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1baQypWt2RjCYvtRQ7T5fPXqK18FeZON9XtR-LRvSGXo/edit#gid=839827865

This is for 40s

[thin trout]

How updated is this

Compared to the new snapshotting sims

[hallow sonnet]

Last updated: 02.05.2022 (May)

[thin trout]

Ah tnx

Damn i expected to get more value out of it

[limber lion]

That chart is wrong

It doesn't even have Venthyr Assassination lol

But PI is around 1k dps

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1inZGAyrPiNTjN0ni9jWTxsYuojDIkCDFBPtE7-Wd2rw/htmlview?pli=1&pru=AAABf6PRelY*lXf5tx7TF04_0sSLK6R9mA#gid=0

This is a better spreadsheet

and it's also pinned in #wow-general

[hallow sonnet]

Funny enough, the 40s ST on that document doesn't even have assassination :P

[limber lion]

It does

[hallow sonnet]

For comparable numbers

[limber lion]

NF Assa

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah but that's 5 min ST

[limber lion]

Oh which one are you talking about

I'm talking about the one you linked

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah, talking about the one you linked. Which is even less complete on the same parameters than the one I linked ;P

[limber lion]

Well you shouldn't really look at 40s PI sims anyways

Only the 5 min ones

[hollow escarp]

"but, it matters for the damage window"

[hallow sonnet]

I feel 40s sims would simulate the answer to that question rather well

Better than 5min sims at least

[hollow escarp]

either way unholy dk, execute, lust, pi 📈

[limber lion]

Even here I would have answered that you should not look at 40s PI sims

I guess it can give you an idea how it would look like during the opener, but for any PI after that it's not accurate

[hallow sonnet]

Depends, Like Ingra in Mists? Fits rather well. Or high level Spirits in DoS/Portal Keepers etc

Or anduin intermission

Just a case of incomplete information to make assumptions :p

[limber lion]

Anduin intermission not so much

With its 30+ adds

A lot of specs see a lot of funnel value from adds which this sim does not take into account whatsoever

[bleak sky]

Rogue on anduin intermission is just sad

[limber lion]

This sim is also simming everything on the opener with the PI

Meaning lust, potions and so on

Which is not something you'd use on the Spirit in DoS for example

It's a very vacuum-type sim that serves very little purpose.

It also has all raid buffs which you won't have in m+

[hallow sonnet]

But no flask, no potion

No food

So settings are rather weird

[limber lion]

Huh?

[limber lion]

All of these sims have all raidbuffs, potions, buffs, food

[limber lion]

This is a raidbots tooltip error

Open up the html and you'll see all the buffs

[hallow sonnet]

yea you're right

[limber lion]

Happens pretty often in advanced sims for some reason

But yeah

[hallow sonnet]

Likely raidbot takes that info from the sim settings, which gets overridden by the apl settings

[limber lion]

Some specs get a lot less value from PI during lust because of their breakpoints and whatnot

Whereas some specs might get much more because of the haste stacking

That's why the 5min sim is a lot better because it gives you the average gain you would get from a the PI's - and on top of that, most apl's have been created around 5 min sims and might play worse or better with lower duration sims

[rare plume]

Hey guys, not a rogue but looking to improve my raid team with some extra info.. See picture for previous info but my question..

Does Numbing Poison stack with Curse of Weakness/Tongues? Or does the stronger one take effect?

[cobalt hemlock]

always going for theotar haste tea?

[limber lion]

Stronger one takes effect, but the difference between the two is very minimal to be honest

It's much easier for the rogue to just use Numbing Poison and that's it.

Gets pretty frustrating for a Warlock to constantly be reapplying curse

For a small difference that you won't likely even notice.

[cobalt hemlock]

i found going cripling against spitefulls can be easier to deal with are losing a lot by not having the numbing poison?

[subtle tundra]

tank can die

[limber lion]

A bit yes, but it probably won't matter unless you're doing +30's

Doubt it'll be the difference between your tank dying and not dying in a +20

Crippling helps with kiting as well if you don't have a class with aoe slows

[cobalt hemlock]

i guess for necrotic they like cripling prob

[ebon notch]

finally changing crafted ring

wtf yuge

[subtle tundra]

maybe get a signet

buddy

[ebon notch]

i dont have anything to say that wont hit the language filter

[subtle tundra]

🤨

just farm it

[bleak sky]

It just takes one dungeon

As long as you drop it

[limber lion]

But yeah. Taking Jailer as an example. He has an attack speed of around 1 attack per 2.5s. With numbing poison this becomes 2.125s and with CoW it's 2s.
If we take a 5 minute example of Jailer constantly hitting you, without breaks, he would hit you around 1-2 times extra every minute with Numbing Poison on compared to CoW.

[ebon notch]

cev ban them pls

they hurt my feelings

[subtle tundra]

get real

dawg

[turbid harbor]

numbing poison and cow don't speed his attacks up 😄

[normal mist]

I'm kinda lost on this. Numbing increases target attackspeed?

[bleak sky]

no, reduces

cev did backwards math

[normal mist]

Bad cev is bad

He needs to go sleep

[limber lion]

Oh ya sorry I trolled with the numbers

but yeah you get the point

1-2 attacks per minute

very poggers

[normal mist]

Imagine rogues utility kit being increasing bosses overall dmg

[bleak sky]

given that jailer hits like an alcoholic dad

we take those

[normal mist]

[limber lion]

Becomes 2.875 and 3 respectively

same same but different

[atomic spoke]

can you get an extra 50% crit envenom from using Shadowmeld > Stealth > envenom in your rotation while vanish is already on CD?

[limber lion]

Yes but Shadowmeld > Stealth does not work on boss encounters because you cannot drop combat during them.

So that would only work on trash packs in m+ and that's about it :P

[ebon notch]

just did a 7 min sim

[atomic spoke]

ah ok, that makes sense thanks

[ebon notch]

heroic sigil outsims mythic cache

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

As you'd expect when you get 2 casts off it everytime

[ebon notch]

i mean cache got 3

[limber lion]

Yeah but Cache is trash

Sigil is bis

[ebon notch]

ye but

heroic sigil

fuck me man

changing trinkets on ryg 3 times

[limber lion]

I have said that Sigil is the best trinket on Rygelon by far

Because you get 2 uses and the boss dies soon after the second use

[ebon notch]

i just didnt know if the 3rd use of cache and the mainstat would beat it

but thats just laziness on my part

i shouldve simmed it

dropped like 5% haste for a bunch of mastery

interesting

[subtle tundra]

a real spiteful breakdown

i finished with 12 min of kevin left

LOL

[half tartan]

Morning, did anybody have any difficult learning curve for the CT venthyr haste build? What did you do for practice, just dummies for a few hours?

[hybrid vale]

did you get him down buddy

the jailer

[subtle tundra]

we're not even close

[hybrid vale]

it goes like this boom=>pow=>boom=>boom=>pow

[subtle tundra]

jsut

pewpewpawpaw

[glass tulip]

Pug as many raids as you can to practice as well, helps practicing having downtime during those windows as you won't always get a perfect rotation

[hybrid vale]

u can just lfr infinitely rather than waiting on pugs

halandros q

[glass tulip]

Disgusting lmao

[hybrid vale]

get the boom boom pow

[glass tulip]

Pugs are much faster and more reliable than lfr

Those are basically big training dummies

[hybrid vale]

faster

idk about that

i can get an lfr going in 3 minutes

and it ports me to the boss cause most groups wipe at a boss

and ppl leave

[glass tulip]

I did LFR 3 times this past week on a new alt and I didn't get in in less than 20 mins each

[hybrid vale]

its so good to trial shit

u can just q for all wings at once

[glass tulip]

Yeah

And still didn't get shit, I always have better luck in real raids

[hybrid vale]

oh wait

there's also training dumbies

that u can swing at infinitely

hit a big training dumby @half tartan with the 1-2-3

[hybrid vale]

are we calling normal "real raids" now

cmon bruh

its like the same thing except u dont get that stacking buff if you wipe

[lone junco]

@ dear devs,

I’d like to play sin in keys again. Give me a conduit that stacks verse per rupture target. 3% each, stack to 15%. Thx.

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/94b8PTAkyAGNTzEJAMRDkd

[limber lion]

Vers

[hybrid vale]

Vulpera

[zinc frost]

What a strange request

[lone junco]

That was a relic back in legion, stacked agi. I think. But didn’t make a dent.

Probably still wouldn’t. Just want to be on the board.

Not a sub fan tbh.

Was probably azerite trait tbh.

[glass tulip]

are we calling normal "real raids" now

Can boost normal, can't boost lfr

ez

[lone junco]

I can’t believe how much they gutted raid loot drop numbers. The ilvl isn’t even good.

[glass tulip]

When you have 19 people in heroic and dropped 1 tier piece that felt so bad

Good thing catalyst is here, with vault I got all 4 tier pieces yesterday on my druid

[zinc frost]

Man… I’m bout to roll a Druid too as an alt. Catalyst is definitely a solid W

[glass tulip]

Low gear I did like 4.5k overall on bosses but now I sim for almost 11k so I need to go practice again and see if it's better haha

Felt absolutely awful feeling like I got an opener right... Peaked at 9.3k

[lone junco]

Chicken or feral?

[glass tulip]

Neither

Chicken, but glyph of stars because I couldn't see mechanics underneath the fat chicken. Makes it so that it is just a see through, astral version of human form

[lone junco]

Moonkin is just so hard to time cds with pulls. Wind up sitting on stuff forever.

[bleak sky]

nah

moonkin is ass

that's all

[brazen zodiac]

morning

[gusty mirage]

Same

[brazen zodiac]

cute

[gusty mirage]

No u

[brazen zodiac]

[violet jackal]

is your name based off 3rd gender meaning non binary or no gender or is it vitality? asking for a friend

[brazen zodiac]

its latin.

yeah vitality/life sorry read ur sentence rly fast

like a force of life/vital aspect that creates life

[zinc frost]

Thank you for the name lore

[brazen zodiac]

latins cool too bad its dead

sounds fancier

back to my spooky movie

[fallow canopy]

nothing fancier than ||"E pluribus anus"||

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

idk id take them out on dinner if they said that

cuz itd mean they know latin and thats hot

[brazen zodiac]

can u recommend me netflix movies plz

i have a good feeling u know some

[glass tulip]

kinda crazy since bad bttchs create my source of life

movies or short shows

or both

[brazen zodiac]

both

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[glass tulip]

bo burnham inside would be my top recommendation tbh
Eurovision, for haha funny
shows: love death robots, maniac, money heist (spanish)

[bleak sky]

fuck la casa de papel

show went to shit real fast

[glass tulip]

is that the same thing?

I only watched season 1 and 2 and then it got weird so I stopped

[bleak sky]

ye

[hybrid vale]

What is that

[glass tulip]

netflix show

[glass tulip]

same with the blacklist tbh

[oak sky]

He said its money heist

"House of paper"

Paper as in money im sure

[bleak sky]

paper as in the fragile structures of social relationships

[oak sky]

Wow so deep

[glass tulip]

is that a reference to the spiderman hanging and kissing april from the ladder

[oak sky]

Like house of cards then

[bleak sky]

we should go into philosophy

[oak sky]

No

[gusty mirage]

The Irishman if you like crime thrillers, it's a bit long but its a great fucking movie

[alpine latch]

!whisypr

shit

what's the command for the spreadsheet

[gusty mirage]

which one

fuu's or whispyr's?

[zinc frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[alpine latch]

whispyrs

I know fuus

[gusty mirage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit

[bleak sky]

!linksims

[gusty mirage]

he hasn't touched it since march 8th tho

so

[bleak sky]

Whispyr's Shadowlands spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I have that saved I was just hoping it had been updated since then

And I had the wrong link

[ebon notch]

Ok that's a good meme

Yoink

[hybrid vale]

Yo this hit deep I haven’t touched it since like Feb

[bleak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/shaving-head-ok-and-ok-and-ice-gif-23751953

[hybrid vale]

Been a rough couple months

[gusty mirage]

goals

I've always wanted to shave my head in ice water

[bleak sky]

bald

lmao

[gusty mirage]

I wish

haircuts are expensive

plus my barber's always booked

[oak sky]

Grow it out like a caveman

[zinc frost]

I feel envious of baldies, like life just seems easier for them

[bleak sky]

not shaving at home

[gusty mirage]

I'll unga bunga you

[gusty mirage]

shave what? I'm not bald

[hybrid vale]

My hair is long but it looks like shit without conditioner so I don’t recommend to unhygienic

Peeps

[bleak sky]

same

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

but I do it because it's quick

[gusty mirage]

I'm quick, are you going to do me?

[bleak sky]

and not spending a truckload for a haircut feels nice

[zinc frost]

Bald where it counts

[oak sky]

Minalbald

[bleak sky]

|| perhaps ||

[hybrid vale]

But man my shaver broke my beard is so long bc it got to the point where it hurts to shave with a dull ass reset

Razor

Amazon needs to deliver my new one

This is unbearable

[gusty mirage]

@oak sky got em for you

[hybrid vale]

Stasche is inches off the lip bro

[hybrid vale]

It’s 20 beans at the local shop

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky when ram do sin key?

We need content

[bleak sky]

you fuckin clown

I'm reporting you

@ scarizard make exsang 4x faster so oxi suffers

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Can you fucking imagine

[gusty mirage]

I'll just play sub

[ebon notch]

If exsang was 4x faster

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[bleak sky]

no idea man, ram is just Sinbaiting us

[ebon notch]

100%

I bet he's never even pressed 3 garrotes

[hybrid vale]

If sbs had a duration it would be kinda pog during detta with the conduit tho the dot is still too weak to matter

[bleak sky]

the secret sin tech is not playing sin

[oak sky]

Ram doesnt even believe

Fake sin fan

[uneven summit]

my 259 edge not worth much anymore huh, i know it was never huuuuge for assa

272 dagger sims 48 dps higher

[bleak sky]

yeah it's trash

[ebon notch]

GAHBAGE

[bleak sky]

RUBBISH INNIT

[ebon notch]

Although it was still doing like 6% of my damage in SoD

Pretty pog

[oak sky]

Ye its like better than any 259 but gets replaced by ilvl

Pretty fair power level tbh

[ebon notch]

@oak sky when are you gonna get good

[oak sky]

Never hopefully

[ebon notch]

Progress has been good I see

[oak sky]

For sure!

Im already bored of anduin and we arent there yet

[ebon notch]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

wait you guys aren't on anduin yet?

what

[ebon notch]

Wait till people start blinking and shit with the blasphemy

You'll have a lot of fun

[oak sky]

Crab dies tonight

[gusty mirage]

how many pulls are you on crab

wtf

[oak sky]

Over 100

[glass tulip]

imagine being on crab pre nerf

[gusty mirage]

no, since nerf

[glass tulip]

cring

[gusty mirage]

idc about pre nerf pulls

lmao

[oak sky]

We started crab pre nerf so we wasted maybe 40 pulls? Ig

[gusty mirage]

tell your warlocks to stop fucking up the bombs

[glass tulip]

we are 50 post nerf only, 15%. pulling up on agreon with the mob

[gusty mirage]

cause I know they are

[ebon notch]

They're dying to beams

[oak sky]

Ye we're sub 10%

No

[ebon notch]

I took a look at their logs

They're getting cut in half lmao

[oak sky]

Our warrior who was never supposed to be in was dying to bombs

And our priest

[ebon notch]

Absolutely B E A M E D

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887562990910586881/970901430816882748/unknown.png

Yeah bro just the warrior and priest

That's it

[gusty mirage]

its okay, its my 2nd date with crab tonight

I'll let you know how it goes

[ebon notch]

At least agreon is a livelord

[oak sky]

Cherry picking 1 pull wow!

[gusty mirage]

you're just suffering from success

stay strong brother

[oak sky]

There is no success

[gusty mirage]

idk bro

I saw those parses

kinda juicy

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Love these stickers

[bleak sky]

@carmine dawn

[gusty mirage]

@carmine dawn daps is stealing your shit

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

@bleak sky

[ebon notch]

No it's my gf

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

She sent them to me

[gusty mirage]

Jakes your gf?

[bleak sky]

those are work stickers

you can't use it

[ebon notch]

I get them every night

[bleak sky]

but yeah

[oak sky]

I fell off

[bleak sky]

those are definitely not in my top used stickers

[cerulean nest]

in vendetta are you guys getting barely any envenoms off since we're prioritizing keeping bleeds up?

[bleak sky]

keep bleeds up

envenom = refresh snd

or filler

[cerulean nest]

say less

[gusty mirage]

nice android phone

[cerulean nest]

i told myself id be sticking sub this whole tier so didnt bother refarming legion ring

now im sad lol

[ebon notch]

Ty I like having more than 5 mins battery life

[gusty mirage]

weird

I have 8 hours of battery life

and I don't have an android

[ebon notch]

Lies

You have a laptop

[gusty mirage]

cope

I wasn't even making fun of you wtf

[ebon notch]

Huh

[gusty mirage]

android's are nice phones

damn bro chill

wtf

[ebon notch]

But I'm chill

:<

[gusty mirage]

I just wanted to compliment your phone

[ebon notch]

I'm sorry

Thank you

[oak sky]

Your phone sucks loser

[gusty mirage]

[carmine dawn]

(Work emote don’t yoink)

[gusty mirage]

too late

[bleak sky]

also @carmine dawn check dms

[ebon notch]

Hold on I find an imitation

[bleak sky]

[carmine dawn]

ing

@oak sky check DMs

[oak sky]

[ebon notch]

@oak sky check DMs

[carmine dawn]

Who’s this doppelgänger

[ebon notch]

My gf :3

[grizzled geyser]

hey, looking at the venthyr-pic in the assa-faq channel, and then looking at talents, it shows the alacrity icon but has "ES" written under it - is that an error or smth I dont get?

[gusty mirage]

seems like an error

@vestal wren

[vestal wren]

oh

giveme a sec

[hybrid vale]

Whose the cutest cutie in here

[gusty mirage]

lmao that's leftover from sub isn't it

[vestal wren]

ye, i did copy my template from sub and changed it

[gusty mirage]

dance as sin would be sick tho

[hybrid vale]

I’d take symbols

I’d yoink symbols

Over dance what am I gonna do? Ambush a guy

[vestal wren]

ill send whisp the updated version so he can fix

[balmy condor]

I’m still in bed

[harsh anchor]

Imagine the garrotes you could lay out with dance

[strange python]

hi guys i cant find detailed assa guides, im having problems filling 27+ stacks of flagelation and doing good damage in aoe scenarios any help?

[bleak sky]

Why 27+

[strange python]

thats what i get with sub and read its the optimal maybe im wrong 🙂

[viscid spear]

I missed the hair discussion

[bleak sky]

Where did you read that

Anyway

[carmine dawn]

Idk anything above 25 is usually fine

[bleak sky]

Doing AOE = spread ruptures, spread garrotes, keep CT up

Maybe you're not putting enough bleeds out

[strange python]

nice i can get 25

i feel assa so much better than sub with kyrian, so i want to improve

[bleak sky]

Sub with kyrian?

Are you running kyrian sub dungeons?

[carmine dawn]

Kyrian sub dungeons isn’t bad

Just different

[strange python]

i mean in raids

in dungeons i play sub with venth

[bleak sky]

So

What's the AOE scenario you're referring to

In raid you don't really do a whole lot

You don't have a real AOE cd/spender, that's just life

[strange python]

ok i get it

[carmine dawn]

Also like

25 stacks isn’t bad, you prob just got unlucky with mut crits

[craggy oak]

when i sim for all tea's what is my profile that is named my char? understand main stat, vers , crit haste, very self intuitive

[bleak sky]

I don't understand the question

[craggy oak]

hang on this may explain better

my tea sim

what is the top profile?

[subtle tundra]

me

im the top

oh sorry misunderstood

[craggy oak]

lmao

[bleak sky]

Regular tea sim is 25% of each

[fallen fable]

Hey guys anyone have a simple aura for MFD? im really newbie in aura creation

[bleak sky]

Look it up on wago.io

[fallen fable]

Im looking but i just find pack of auras

but im keeping trying

[craggy oak]

expand please, unsure how that answers what i asked.

[bleak sky]

You can get the aura pack and remove all other auras

[red plaza]

Grab the group and yoink the mfd

[fallen fable]

Oh i found one

https://wago.io/wYillxSy6

[bleak sky]

Alternatively you can use weak aura's lovely noob friendly aura helper to create one

[fallen fable]

thanks guys

[bleak sky]

Theotar sims assume 25% of each buff

That's it

[hybrid vale]

We got dance talent

Subterfuge

3 second dance bro

We don’t need to tango anymore

[red plaza]

But also Nadja is the play now, theotar 📉

[hybrid vale]

Cev hates Theo

[storm onyx]

Theo sims high assuming you stay put all fight, no movement.

[subtle tundra]

back to my boyfriend

[storm onyx]

Have funs

[oak sky]

Show him love and he'll get you back

[limber lion]

gl

I got to kill Jailer today with the guild

a heroic one though

back to fortnite

Hopefully the team kills it this week, I just wanna play the game

[hollow escarp]

hop on lost ark

[ebon notch]

I already tried

[hollow river]

Sims by default use an average of all the buffs combined. That’s what that profile is.

[ebon notch]

Most people are over lost ark rn

[hollow escarp]

I play it but I'm kinda casual

about to hit T3 on my reroll char

[carmine dawn]

I log in once a week for heroic jailer, die halfway through, and then go back to diablo2

[bleak sky]

Path of exile in 9 days, fuck LA