assassination

[oak sky]

[hybrid vale]

ah ya outlaw is like that when its busted too

[bleak sky]

[hybrid vale]

blade flurry when outlaw is overtuned is the shit

rn outlaw sucks doe

[oak sky]

outlaw is different because they have an actual rotation

[bleak sky]

utlaw

yeah idc if outlaw is strong, they have a lot of shit to press

[oak sky]

sub in aoe isnt a rotation its an alternation

[bleak sky]

even if their aoe rotation is just their single target rotation

[hybrid vale]

shuriken storm and black powder right

[bleak sky]

ss/bp or ss/evis

but this convo might summon fuu saying that sub is not that simple or something

[hybrid vale]

they have a cd managment thing tho at least

[bleak sky]

yeah cd management

press symbols on cd

[hybrid vale]

symbols for find weakness or something

[bleak sky]

press dance

[craggy oak]

Not really

[bleak sky]

do damage

[craggy oak]

2and 4p kinda made them not do that

Or have to think about it

[hybrid vale]

oo

damn

well honestly end of the patch makes thigns hard to judge

end of an expac

[bleak sky]

SCALING

[hybrid vale]

everything kinda whacky

[oak sky]

sub doesnt manage any cds you slam everything always what

[bleak sky]

WE SCALED TO THE MOON

[hybrid vale]

ya i dont play sub anymore havent for years

it doesnt look like it got more fun

[craggy oak]

Pre tier set sub was very punishing

Post tier set, idiot proof spec

[hybrid vale]

ah that explains it

i dont have any tier

for sub

[oak sky]

not that punishing before tbh you just let your dances stack up and never overcap

and always have one for symbols

[hybrid vale]

sub used to be finesse in years past, much has changed

[bleak sky]

wdym

if you have sin tier you have sub tier

[hybrid vale]

i literally havent swapped specs since i got my first 2 pieces so i didnt even know

cause outlaw sucks and i dont like the newer sub

good to know

[bleak sky]

how can you say it sucks / you don't like it if you haven't played it

[hybrid vale]

just by logs alone, 60% uptime on dance is just the exact opposite of how it was

[fleet anchor]

Assassination would be good if there was a 9.3 patch because scaling!!11

[oak sky]

i mean it does suck

rng tier set

[craggy oak]

Double step doe

[bleak sky]

you have some power, make 9.3 happen

[oak sky]

thats always on sub tho that isnt a current iteration thing

[bleak sky]

make them change 9.2.5 number and call it 9.3

so we can scale 1x instead of 0.5

[bleak sky]

feels great to be permadancing tbh

[hybrid vale]

maybe but i liked the burst windows of the spec, apparently it's the opposite now

[fleet anchor]

I don't want 9.3 to happen. I want to temporarily retire to my happy alpha testing place and pretend SLG, Painsmith, and Sylv never existed. Not do them again.

[oak sky]

not playing 9.2.5 huh

[bleak sky]

are you agreon?

[oak sky]

yeah

[fleet anchor]

If the 9.2.5 raids are any kind of extended thing there's no way I'm staying for more than doing them like once or something

[oak sky]

i want to kill sire

[bleak sky]

not raiding 9.2.5 to get ilvl 300 gear and then replace it by quest gear on 10.0?

[oak sky]

and play dk

[fleet anchor]

0% chance

CN and SoD are far too fresh and far too flawed raids for me to want to dive right back into them already lol

[bleak sky]

CN was better than SoD at least

reclearing CN is fine, but I'm not touching sod

[fleet anchor]

SLG is easily a top 5 worst fight of all time though

[bleak sky]

fuck SLG yeah

sire good

sludgefist good

[fleet anchor]

Sludge was eventually ok I guess. Kinda boring though if I'm honest.

[bleak sky]

honestly even huntsman / shriekwing / inerva were decent

council can fuck off and kael isn't a fight

[fleet anchor]

I thought CN was a decent first tier. Nothing amazing but generally good. Sire was the only exception in my mind because other than the stop DPS bullshittery, it might be one of their best end bosses in many xpacs.

[bleak sky]

Sire definitely the best boss of the xpac so far

jailer might be good on mythic but idk

[fleet anchor]

Xymox was kinda trash tier, Council was meh, some other whatever fights

SLG just needs to not exist

[bleak sky]

Raid Seasonal Affix: you get the SLG adds on every boss

[oak sky]

sod had like ok early bosses i guess

and then painsmith and sylv

[bleak sky]

painsmith good boss

sylv mid boss

[fleet anchor]

Painsmith trash tier

Actual trash

[bleak sky]

that's a hot take

[oak sky]

someone had a long stay on painer

[bleak sky]

400+ wipes for me

[oak sky]

i didnt even prog it

[fleet anchor]

How is it a hot take? It's not even an encounter. It's just a spike dodging simulator.

[bleak sky]

oh

[fleet anchor]

Fight is awful

[bleak sky]

I wonder what pre-nerf ps was

but it's still my favorite fight from SoD

[oak sky]

more damage more health balls in first intermission and the wall you had to blink through

[fleet anchor]

WoW has tried plenty of these stupid "dodge stuff constantly for 6 minutes" fights and they are all garbage imo

[bleak sky]

yeah so poggies

[fleet anchor]

DPS didn't even matter

[oak sky]

dps never matters

[fleet anchor]

Half the fight running around doing nothing

[oak sky]

????????

[bleak sky]

so Sire is a good boss in this xpac

what else is a good boss Koji?

please no BfA bosses, didn't play that

[fleet anchor]

Gonna be honest, I don't really like too many bosses in SL. I think a lot of them have been mediocre lol

[bleak sky]

that's true

was Avatar a good boss?

I think it was a great boss

[oak sky]

didnt nighthold have a bunch of bangers

like one of the best raids ever or smth

[bleak sky]

nighthold def had bangers

[fleet anchor]

I can't help but have like nostalgia for raids like Antorus where I felt almost every fight was enjoyable to some degree or another

Nighthold was good too

[bleak sky]

nighthold had star augur, the yard lady, guldan

[fleet anchor]

Tomb was.. not hot

[oak sky]

which raid was elisande was she good

[fleet anchor]

Nighthold

Elisande was ok. Kinda gimmicky. But fine.

Gul'dan was pretty fantastic

[bleak sky]

nighthold had these bangers:

Trilliax; star augur; guldan

tomb had:
sisters; desolate host; avatar

[fleet anchor]

ngl I think Star Augur was also a bad fight because it was just a gimmicky fight with addon devs

[bleak sky]

desolate host may be nostalgia factor for me but damn great fight

[fleet anchor]

Virtually impossible to do without addons of some sort and the fight changed dramatically when they locked down all the nameplate functionality

I actually am not sure I would rate a single fight in Tomb above average.

[oak sky]

do you rate any fights above average

[fleet anchor]

About half of them

[oak sky]

[fleet anchor]

Basically all of Antorus was better than all of Tomb lol

I think some fights in Tomb had OK ideas but were generally ruined by dumb design elements

[bleak sky]

I take it you didn't like KJ?

[fleet anchor]

Avatar for example maybe would have been an OK fight with some changes but when the entire fight was just based around 4 people running around around standing in circles for 6 minutes

Same for KJ lol

[bleak sky]

dammn

[fleet anchor]

My entire job was to just run around press Feint and stand in circles

[bleak sky]

thought KJ was a banger

[fleet anchor]

Or we wipe instantly

Good times

Tomb of Soakgaras 💤

[bleak sky]

Let's hope 10.0 raid isn't trash

[spice spire]

Hopium

[bleak sky]

i'll od on hopium quake

[fleet anchor]

Tomb was just made worse by the fact that both raids on either side of it were rather good

Gul'dan was another of their top tier end bosses

And Antorus just had generally solid design

Only fights in Antorus that were a bit meh was Eonar since it wasn't really a real fight and maybe Coven was a bit annoying for melee but still pretty decent for Assassination.

Tomb probably could have been fine if they just took the designer who put insta-wipe soak circles on every other fucking boss in the raid outside and just said like "yo, bruh.. this actually is kinda lame man."

Tuning in the raid was also really off

I do enjoy technical execution fights or complex fights, but raid one-shots from constant movement tests are not really something I'm a huge fan of

Cheap difficulty imo

[bleak sky]

one shot mechanics are lame yeah

raid-wide oneshot at least

[brazen zodiac]

i think its kinda based

idk

rygelons cool

[gusty mirage]

rygelon's cool despite the raid wide one shot

[brazen zodiac]

raid wide one shots make me feel giga anxious which i thinks kinda cool

its like an intense stress on the whole raid ig

[fleet anchor]

The ironic thing about most of the one-shots is that a lot of the mechanical ones, like say Sylv or Rygelon

On prog probably would be failed pulls even if they just one-shot the stupid person

When the DPS checks were tight

But the difference in letting the group keep getting reps and not immediately hating the person who wiped them is pretty significant 😛

Sylv one was a really unnecessary thing to add to the fight like 12 minutes in when one person can insta-wipe the entire raid from one wrong step

[trim cairn]

Which dungeon would you consider the easiest of HoA and NW?

[gusty mirage]

wake

[oak sky]

wake

[trim cairn]

ty

[gusty mirage]

weapons' damage scales with key level

so if the group can utilize weapons optimally it's a free key

[brazen halo]

What is the optimal use of weapons?

[gusty mirage]

depends on the route really

but having 3 hammers + a spear for the last boss

makes it legitimately free

[oak sky]

And orb for the big aoe pulls

[gusty mirage]

if you can manage to squeeze out 3rd boss with 1 spear and have 3 hammers and 2 spears for the last boss

it's legit easy mode

but a high tyran stitchflesh is rough

[brazen halo]

Awesome, appreciate it

[trim cairn]

or you can accidentally double spear through the add on 3rd boss and it dies before you get the Kobe rebound hook xd

and you are just sat there afk while waiting for the next one to spawn

[gusty mirage]

yep been there lol

I was running keys super late one night and speared the add once

LOL

and just the add

and the tank goes "rogue???"

[trim cairn]

xD

How do you do triple gargoyle on Halkias btw? Can only seem to get 2 at a time

And awkwardly having to hail the 3rd one mid fight

[gusty mirage]

grab the one up top near the stairs, grab the far one, get those 2

then when they fly away tank kites back or pulls the third one under the platform

[quasi ledge]

Leave the middle one infront of boss alone. Bring the far right one in, and on the left up the stairs (ranged pull from under the rocks)

[gusty mirage]

pro tip for cache enjoyers

pop sword on that boss if you have gargs

🙂

[polar cape]

oooh do they scale with haste?

[gusty mirage]

they do

[polar cape]

thats dope

[gusty mirage]

with sword + PI I peaked at like 80k dps on that boss

lol

20% of my damage was the gargoyles

[trim cairn]

Only 20% and you peaked 80k? Mf playing NF? xd

[gusty mirage]

just the auto attack was 20%

[trim cairn]

I like HoA cuz most people don't have separate bars on details for pets so people think I can compete with locks and hunters

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Shameless

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

More like, giga chaddest

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

you can only get 2 really

3rd one is a late grab

idk if getting PI/lust lets you grab 3 at once

[trim cairn]

Ye that is what I thought but this outlaw rogue said he got 3 at a time and his dad works at blizz so he knows this intimately

[bleak sky]

outlaw down bad

lying in game

coping hard

[hollow river]

[trim cairn]

Idk I think he was running on reverse copium actually cuz he claimed it was impossible to time +20 keys if you wiped once

[bleak sky]

[trim cairn]

Me and my mates timing +20 soa with 40 deaths says otherwise

[gusty mirage]

yikes

I think I +2'd a 21 spires

with 2 full wipes?

or came super close

close

but that's my favorite reaction from people

1 wipe "alright thats key"

like ????

[trim cairn]

????? man I just wanna run keys so I have an excuse not to sleep

[gusty mirage]

ye man people just give up too quick

idk

I've timed an 18 dos with legit 60 deaths

cuz the tank was purposefully trolling

[trim cairn]

Ye but the guy was playing outlaw so that's like constantly being in pain I can understand why he wanted out

[bleak sky]

24 sanguine

timed

[trim cairn]

Ofc, you playing assa

Assa hard carry spec for sure

[bleak sky]

I wasn't washed last season

[gusty mirage]

what the fuck is this jailer weapon

[bleak sky]

is good

[gusty mirage]

that was ONE proc

on trash before hakkar

[bleak sky]

ONE?

[gusty mirage]

????????

[trim cairn]

Play

wawt

[bleak sky]

ONE?

[trim cairn]

I was gonna write but what one?

[gusty mirage]

bro the trash pack went from like 30%

to dead

[trim cairn]

Rly lol

[gusty mirage]

and I was like wat

[echo geyser]

@gusty mirage how u know stoneborns scale with ur haste

[trim cairn]

HoA guide on wowhead says so

[gusty mirage]

cuz of the season 1 secret tech w/ priests

[trim cairn]

[gusty mirage]

when they'd play double PI leggo in halls

and PI the garg

and they'd get PI

so it'd double dip

that particular interaction was fixed

but they still scale off your haste

[echo geyser]

So in theory

Venthyr dh is better user than venthyr sub?

[bleak sky]

PI THE GARG?

[echo geyser]

For stoneborns

[gusty mirage]

definitely

[bleak sky]

hol up

[gusty mirage]

just cuz DH naturally runs significantly more haste

[bleak sky]

pi the pet itself?

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

like

the actual gargoyle

[gusty mirage]

that was a thing for like a week

[bleak sky]

oh ok

[gusty mirage]

also you could bolster it & control it for a bit

before that was fixed

[bleak sky]

raging still in

[echo geyser]

I mean when u pop meta or eyebeam ull get a lot of haste

Must be sick?

[bleak sky]

test it out ram

[gusty mirage]

ye + PI or xymox sword

and sheeesh

[bleak sky]

meta ram new meta on halls

[echo geyser]

New cache logic in sims

[ebon notch]

that used to be a thing

[echo geyser]

If stoneborn acquired then use sword

[gusty mirage]

they patched it out about a week or two right?

[ebon notch]

i heard it was patched out season 1

were there notes?

[gusty mirage]

ye everytime I run halls I save xymox trinket for first boss unless there's another venthyr

[echo geyser]

Do u have a link maybe

[bleak sky]

so you use sword

and it's not int

[ebon notch]

enraging them before you take them is pretty pog also

[bleak sky]

ye enraging tech is juicy

[trim cairn]

Ye it mentions in the guide xd

https://www.wowhead.com/news/optimal-use-of-loyal-stoneborns-in-halls-of-atonement-mythic-tip-of-the-week-322390

[echo geyser]

Well surely if it works

[ebon notch]

but you have to pull them with a pack

cause sitting there and hitting them it a bit shit

[bleak sky]

ye

[echo geyser]

Wonder how much they gain

[gusty mirage]

you could also cleave them down w/ boss

[bleak sky]

but then they start trucking the boss

[gusty mirage]

and use it to quickly execute boss

ig

[ebon notch]

yeah but you usually pull pack into boss

2 stoneborn on top is kinda risky

depends on the tank ig

[echo geyser]

One axe on ST is like 100-150k?

[oak sky]

I havent seen that in so long

[echo geyser]

Or is it maybe 70k

[gusty mirage]

closer to 70k

[echo geyser]

[echo geyser]

In addition to that, the Loyal Stoneborn are affected by haste pretty heavily, so things such as  Power Infusion can also be very lucrative to use on the stoneborns if you are pushing a key high enough.

[ebon notch]

depends on your haste value also no?

how many times you can proc it

[echo geyser]

U referring to this line?

[trim cairn]

Ye but I was memeing when I said the wowhead hoa guide was a source tho 😛

[echo geyser]

[trim cairn]

[ebon notch]

you had ram down bad for a second there

he was thirsting

[echo geyser]

i dont know how to test it

Oxi says sword Pi 80k dps

2x stoneborn

[ebon notch]

go get a priest and take the stoneborn

[echo geyser]

Is that with only boss

[ebon notch]

and then PI it

easy

[echo geyser]

Well he got it on himself

[hollow escarp]

aren't the stoneborns affected by your haste?

[ebon notch]

does the stoneborn scale off your haste?

[hollow escarp]

that would be one way to secure PI on rogue

[echo geyser]

That is what is being said rn but no source available

[hollow escarp]

logs maybe

[ebon notch]

pi the stoneborn not the rogue

smh

[hollow escarp]

could check assa vs sub logs since assa tends to have more haste

[echo geyser]

Check a venthyr dh

Vs sub or w/e

And does it work with all stats

Or just haste

[ebon notch]

ram just wants to swap to DH so fuckin badly

"uh yeah raidleader sry i gotta gear my dh now i deleted my rogue yeah no andy told me to bro sry"

[rotund oak]

ram wants to do highend keys,by all means nessecary

[ebon notch]

"yeah bro stoneborn and shit you gotta understand"

[rotund oak]

much love RAM ❤️

[hollow escarp]

I didn't log my HoA yesterday

[echo geyser]

stoneborn spec

[ebon notch]

"ok ram shroud us"

ram: " "

[oak sky]

Give dh shroud

Rogue shouldnt be special

[hollow escarp]

they gave priest a better shroud

[oak sky]

Mind soothe or what

[ebon notch]

targeted shroud

fuckin broken

[hollow escarp]

can even skip the last mob in streets with mind soothe

but not with rogue shroud

[oak sky]

Rogue is still one of the best key dps

[hollow escarp]

give me some of that

[ebon notch]

this is the second cracked take you've had in the last 24 hours agreon

are you ok

[trim cairn]

Huff huff

[oak sky]

???????

[ebon notch]

has the valorant completely fucked your mind

[hollow escarp]

rogue is a role, not a dps in keys

[oak sky]

Its better than almost every non warlock non sv hunter class bro

[ebon notch]

id rather take a windwalker than a rogue

and i main rogue

[trim cairn]

Bruh headlines is Blood DK tank outdpses rogue on ST in MDI, rogue community left in shambles

blizz response: nerf bdk rogues are fine

[oak sky]

Cry harder our class is required

[trim cairn]

[rotund oak]

They cant understand the glory

[oak sky]

Thats not even a real spec monks got deleted

[ebon notch]

was in mdi today

[oak sky]

I didnt see that one

[ebon notch]

you dont watch mdi

im not surprised

[oak sky]

Every key i watched had hpriest bdk rogue wl hunter

[trim cairn]

Idk all I am saying is don't look at HoA logs by Azor

[oak sky]

I never said rogue was S tier used in every single situation

[ebon notch]

???

[oak sky]

But sub is obviously one of the best key dps

[trim cairn]

Ye for sure but fuck if it's not depressing to play

xd

[oak sky]

Yeah i hate sub its dogshit to play

[rotund oak]

we can fix that

just buff outlaw

[trim cairn]

True

[rotund oak]

😄

[ebon notch]

we are literally worse than monks

tf

[trim cairn]

rank 25 outlaw rogue

in world btw

[rotund oak]

😉

[trim cairn]

Outlaw community in shambles

[rotund oak]

hits like a napkin

[oak sky]

All the good outlaw players play sub

[trim cairn]

Just uncap BF jesus

[rotund oak]

ofc they do,coz outlaw has severe ''health'' issues

uncapping wont do much

fix bugs and tune

[trim cairn]

Not on high keys for sure but still

[ebon notch]

wont fix it

[trim cairn]

Would be nice to see Outlaw rogues compete with destro/surv on big aoe pulls

[ebon notch]

the spec is fundamentally shit

[trim cairn]

Absolutely

Carpal tunnel syndrome with dumpster dps

[ebon notch]

imagine you get buried treasure roll on an uncapped aoe pull

you'll do like 25k dps and ggs

[trim cairn]

lmaooo

Imagine your tank pulls a huge pack tho

and you get a stroke

[rotund oak]

and u just vanish ambush into a BS/TB

[hollow escarp]

same with assa in lower keys

[rotund oak]

and u ar into 80k

[hollow escarp]

you can do okish damage if the pack lives enough

[rotund oak]

ye outlaw doesnt work as u think it does daps

[trim cairn]

Assa is fine

[ebon notch]

lmao yeah

[trim cairn]

I do wish they'd make rogue specs pop a little more in some situations tho

[ebon notch]

you vanish and then get the fuckin snd buff

pog

[hollow escarp]

but then you have to cancel it anyway to keep alacrity up

[rotund oak]

so true 🤣

[ebon notch]

this hurt

i made a weakaura to /say every time i got snd buff

and my m8s were like "so is that buff good is that why you made it call it out"

yeah bro its bis dw about it

[oak sky]

Gm

[ebon notch]

grand melee

fuck

i forgot what it was called its been so long

[trim cairn]

@echo geyser doing +30 pf as assa today tho

[bleak sky]

I only have last season logs

[trim cairn]

one of us, one of us

[ebon notch]

wait @echo geyser you did a pf key as assa?

[trim cairn]

Ye

Btw

[ebon notch]

im so proud

[hollow escarp]

I always have combat log running but I forget to upload logs

[trim cairn]

You need to call him out

He complained about no double shadowstep

[hollow escarp]

I mean it's bad first pull

after shroud

[ebon notch]

its fine at least he played it

[trim cairn]

xd

17.6k overall in pf tho ngl that's pretty pog

[ebon notch]

we talked about it a lot but

i told him that sub is most likely better

last season assa really dominated in pf cause of the perma haste buff

[bleak sky]

i found logs

[ebon notch]

but sub 4set just tips it over the edge tbh

[trim cairn]

+27 hoa comparison between sub and assa?

[bleak sky]

nah

it's shit key

[trim cairn]

ramfam calling himself worst sin player in the world after completing +30 pf

[hollow escarp]

well it takes a few keys on a spec to learn the timings

[rotund oak]

he's not the worse,its his perfection-mania talking

[trim cairn]

I know, just joking

[rotund oak]

definitely one of the best rogues existed in the tactical part,absollutely universebigbrain

[trim cairn]

Necro deeper stratagem looks fun tho

[hollow escarp]

he played deeper?

[trim cairn]

Ye

[hollow escarp]

actually not bad if you think about +30 tyrannical bosses

[trim cairn]

Never thought it was bad, just feel so energy starved playing it myself

But I don't think you can play anything else than mfd as venthyr anyways

[hollow escarp]

it's mostly slow when you start a pack

and if you chain pull it's actually nice

[trim cairn]

Isn't the ST damage loss pretty huge as necro

[hollow escarp]

not bigger than not having necro buff from PF

also you still play subt as venthyr assa

that's also a bit lower than MA

[bleak sky]

so any 21 halls logs from a sub player?

[trim cairn]

[hollow escarp]

only losing 200 dps single target

but you have garrote silence

[trim cairn]

I never did that fuck me xd

[hollow escarp]

if we don't provide cheap shots

might as well triple silence some packs

[bleak sky]

what were you playing in keys

[trim cairn]

MA

[bleak sky]

[hollow escarp]

[trim cairn]

ok so that's a good thing

Anyways never get to restealth, tanks hate rogues

[bleak sky]

restealth doesn't matter really

[hollow escarp]

most times it's better to chain pull

well, not from one 10% hp mob into a 8 pack

[trim cairn]

Ofc, but how much extra value do you get from subterfuge on packs compared to MA on ST on boss if you don't get restealths

honest question cuz I have no fkin idea

[hollow escarp]

you vanish to stop casts

[trim cairn]

[oak sky]

deeper is for sure the move on necro sin any situation tbh

ram mustve been gaming

[torn atlas]

Raiderio showing Ram used Finality lego as Sin in that PF30? Is that an error, or legit?

[ebon notch]

Oh no it's very good

I love spamming black powder and eviscerate as assa

Those ruptures too

[hollow escarp]

didn't update properly

[torn atlas]

Secret massive rupture tech

[fleet anchor]

Hey I mean technically it works

lol

Finality buffed into Vanish Nightstalker Rupture during Vendetta 👀

Sekrit tech

[wispy chasm]

Does Cache sim for axe every time or do I need to add a custom APL for it?

[balmy condor]

It sims axe every time

[wispy chasm]

perfect ty ❤️

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but what are u playing in next poe league?

[balmy condor]

Winter orb if they don’t nerf omniscience into the dirt

If they do….. uhhhhhhhhhhh……………………………………………..UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…………….UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH………………………

[rotund oak]

think its gonna get gutted 😅

im thinking about caustic arrow balista pathfinder

its noob friendly

its my 3rd league so,idk,else im going for a massive tank spec

[balmy condor]

I just wanna zoom maps I’ll league start something and see what happens I guess

[rotund oak]

toxic rain then

[hollow river]

#off-topic

[balmy condor]

Yeah

There’s actually a thread for poe

[mortal pike]

POEEEEEEEEEE

You ever get sad that there's too many games you wanna play

But you dont have time

[hollow river]

i remember 😂

[hollow river]

yes

i wanted to get into poe last league

[rotund oak]

poe is very cool me like

[hollow river]

yeah i like it, it's just a shit load to learn

[mortal pike]

Right now I wanna play retail/tbc and wotlk classic/ osrs/rs3 / poe league start/ d2 ladder

[hollow river]

maybe during season 4 ill have time

[mortal pike]

ITS TOO MANY VIDEOS

[hollow river]

ME RN besides d2

and rs3 🤮

[mortal pike]

rs3 ironman is actually really good honestly

rs3 is pretty pog if you take every pay to progress aspect out

[hollow river]

after 2007 i will never play that shithole

[balmy condor]

No because I’m in a loop of constantly burning out on video games and jumping from one to the other in a self fulfilling prophecy of burning out once more and you stop yourself one time and ask yourself if this is the point in your life where you stop playing games, you put it down forever and move on. But you don’t, you sit at your desktop the next day, you open your silly pixel shit and you play again, and again, and again, watching yourself waste away while you regret your decision every day but you can’t stop yourself because nothing in your life is joyous anymore and you spin and cycle and weep and find yourself amongst your friend unable to be positive about anything anymore and you vow to never return! Until you do. And you begin the circle of life anew once more

[mortal pike]

I like gaming though

[balmy condor]

Yeah and I like men but no one asked for my opinion

[strange python]

I just play one game giga brain

[hollow river]

[mortal pike]

Dicks are pretty pog

So is gaming though

[strange python]

Pogx2

[spice spire]

Yo homie you alright?

[balmy condor]

Yuh I got a new phone and I’ve been taking selfies all day like a king

[spice spire]

Nend sudes

But don’t actually pls

I feel you actually would so I regret my yoke already

[fleet anchor]

Been playing games for 35 years. So I think the answer to the question about stopping playing games is "nah, probably not."

Boomer wisdom for you

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

The vibe never changes, just the number

[fleet anchor]

Definitely have changed the types of games I play from time to time though. Try to mix it up.

[ebon notch]

picked up the hentai games yet?

[fleet anchor]

That was just a phase for my early 20s right?

[bleak sky]

you got games on your phone?

[ebon notch]

see @balmy condor its supposed to only be a phase

not a lifestyle choice

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I can't do ultra competitive sweaty games anymore

last thing I want to do is come home from work and stress myself out further

[fleet anchor]

I used to play competitive FPS games a lot and really fallen out of favor in recent years. Some of that because they've gotten rehashed af and there hasn't been a good CoD or BF game in a while. But also what you said. 😛

[gusty mirage]

yeah I used to be a huge counter-strike gamer

now not so much

[silent bough]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fleet anchor]

MW2 is still my highest hour count game on Steam

And TF2 and BFBC2 are both up there too

[bleak sky]

you do this with wow

who you trying to fool

[gusty mirage]

nah

idgaf anymore

[bleak sky]

good

[gusty mirage]

I just play with people I enjoy playing with now

[balmy condor]

Green gang

[gusty mirage]

and if I "push content" I push it, if not oh well

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

nah nah we only got 2 greens now

we're blue gamers

[fleet anchor]

This is why I only raid 2 nights though

lol

[glass tulip]

@oak sky holy crap bro your guild has gotta prog fast, I'm drunk as heck but you're better than me and I appreciate you

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[fleet anchor]

@balmy condor speaking of TBC talents

I almost forgot about this

[balmy condor]

Very epic thank you blizzard

Damage increased against poisoned targets though

Double dose?

Pog?

[empty hinge]

maybe its time for Hunger for Blood and vendetta

[oak sky]

[glass tulip]

dont dead me

[oak sky]

why

:c

[glass tulip]

bc my brain cant handle rejection \

im doing a +9 Soa 1 chest on alliance boomkin

[oak sky]

ur the homie i appreciate you too

i was deading my guild going fast

idk if we're even killing halondrus monday

[glass tulip]

we will on tue

[oak sky]

nice

[timid cloud]

Praying for the success of all of my homies.

Rise up, kings.

[glass tulip]

luv ya ninj

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

wish i was drunk and sentimental

[bleak sky]

wish I was

[glass tulip]

I am sobering up after running alliance keys on boomkin

im sorry minalba, alliance is rough

[bleak sky]

taking 2 Ls at the same time

playing boomie in M+

and alliance

MASSIVE L

[glass tulip]

I am playing new player experience, paying for leggos with gold made from profession / callings

[bleak sky]

ooff

at least things are dirt cheap

[glass tulip]

yeah 291 leggos are like 20-30k

[oak sky]

bro mav whenever i finish leveling my dk we should do some alliance shit together

[glass tulip]

61k total for all required BiS leggos/items

currently at 14

and my key is +10 to be done +15 by monday*tues

[oak sky]

ive already done the alliance new player experience

dont really want to do it again

[glass tulip]

my guildie convinced me

I had to boost to 60 or I would have had my 13th reason while in stormwind'

[oak sky]

you should play with one of these guys sometime 👀

[oak sky]

i like want to level my dk but its gonna take so long to find random dungeons

[glass tulip]

queue tank with a healer for instaq's

[oak sky]

blood

[glass tulip]

that's what I did but quit at 23

I have the gold to buy a char boost and I cant make myself level again

[oak sky]

tanking is rough

[glass tulip]

would rather drop a toaster in my bath

[oak sky]

im level 50 so its just SL dungeons and stuff but still

[glass tulip]

'bear can't keep aggro, especially when you suck lol

[bleak sky]

bois alliance keys?

👀

[glass tulip]

if you are okay with me doing 4-5k overall and 6k on bosses

[bleak sky]

expected from a druid

[glass tulip]

I got venthyr renown to 80 and learning NF tomorrow

[oak sky]

why boomie tho

actually i cant talk

im alting mage

[glass tulip]

boomkin = big ST + entangling roots

and brez

[bleak sky]

twinsies

mage be PUMPIN

[glass tulip]

this is what alliance is like bro

[oak sky]

yeah i was alliance i know it well

[bleak sky]

i heckin love mists first boss

[echo geyser]

clueless sin gamer

[echo geyser]

I did proc cheat cause no double step on last boss, but i think it was due to me doing low dmg or wildi might have podtended also

[oak sky]

ram did you go necro or venth

[echo geyser]

The whole reason i went sin was for 2nd necro

Noone else could play it atm

Think speed and tom no renown

Thaner low ilvl on hpal

[oak sky]

yeah makes sense

[bleak sky]

and now andy cant be necro either cuz bdk dead

unless brewmaster inc?

PERHAPS warrior?

[oak sky]

andyBREW

🤔

[primal walrus]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[noble umbra]

anyone else find flag not lining up with vandetta that well?

in that case you hold for flag?

[oak sky]

yeah you just hold for flag

it should be 5-10s apart most of the time

[autumn shore]

is there an absolute baby 'what is Rogue and how do I play this game' guide? I probably don't need quite that bad but the FAQs and pins look way too advanced for what I'm looking for right now. I was just informed I can somehow remove the stealth bar and have all my actions on one bar, stuff like that.

[torn atlas]

I don't think it's essential to do that but it is possible.

[oak sky]

ye i just bound all the same stuff on both bars

effectively the same thing

[hybrid vale]

Blood is perhaps the most boring tank spec

Rotation puts me to sleep

[oak sky]

its not so much that blood is bad as it is that i have 0 desire to play a tank

[hybrid vale]

It is pretty bad, especially if you’ve played prot paladin. Prot pally feels like a dps spec

And I love tanks so it means something coming from me when I think one is boring. Especially with how good bloods been pre nerf

[hollow escarp]

you say that, but have you tried brm 4 set this season?

[oak sky]

i dont tank bro

[hybrid vale]

Your profile pic is tilting man

[oak sky]

o k

[normal mist]

Agreon dw you gorgeous

[oak sky]

thank you my man

[marble hemlock]

He lied

[hybrid vale]

That’s not him

[zinc frost]

?

[hybrid vale]

Ok the next anime person to at me gets 500 gold

Jk stop at me anime ppl

[solid venture]

@hybrid vale

[hybrid vale]

That’s a cat

Not a cartoon

[solid venture]

u wot mVIII

[hybrid vale]

It’s a kitter

[solid venture]

wanna see a scuffed kitter meme

[hybrid vale]

Go

[hybrid vale]

LOLOLLK

[solid venture]

xD

[hybrid vale]

I can’t believe it

How did they get on his head

Silly kitt

[solid venture]

its my cat lol

aint too hard to put a mouthmask on his head

[hybrid vale]

He must trust you a lot some cats don’t let you put stuff on them

It’s crazy how much his little nose and whiskers resembles a tiger

I’ve never done any research on how far removed the domesticated cat is to a tiger

[solid venture]

well he is a bengal cat so there's some kind of resemblance there i guess

[hybrid vale]

Maybe we should all be feral Druids

Basically assa rogue + kitte

[solid venture]

i would if it hadn't been complete dogshit for the last 10 years

[frail dome]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[hybrid vale]

Feral ? Yeah it’s really hard to balance that much mobility and utility

[lyric crater]

hmm so witch soulbind is good for raiding theotar or nadjia or just sim my self

[spice spire]

Always the last one

[tired falcon]

Utility

[limber lion]

Nadja 3p

This is one of those cases where simming yourself might not prove too useful

[deft vault]

Isnt theotar with haste tea better?

[vestal wren]

possible, but umbrella is not as reliable

the idea behind nadja 3p is to get the most reliable choice

[deft vault]

I see. My theotar sims 300 higher and i was running nadjia 2p cux i couodnt roll haste

2p is better for pure single no like halondrus ?

[vestal wren]

yes 2p is good too

[hollow escarp]

😎

3k io is top 100

[fallow canopy]

there aren't a lot of masochists like us playing sin in m+

[ebon notch]

lords stats

mastery stacking complete

[hollow escarp]

I would take more leech and avoidance

[ebon notch]

these are the exact amounts bro dw

scientifically calculated

[hollow escarp]

calculated so feint doesn't need to be pressed

[violet jackal]

that some low mastery

[round swift]

Random stupid question for you guys.

[ebon notch]

sim it

[hollow escarp]

it's only stupid if it's in the pins

[round swift]

Is boon of kimball affected by mastery

Kimbul

Since it’s a bleed and whatnot.

[hollow escarp]

usually external stuff like trinkets is not affected by mastery

but this is class/race spell

[normal kite]

it doesn't

[hollow escarp]

ez

[gusty mirage]

The 2100 or whatever I got before 4pc as sin is still like top 2k in the world

[hollow escarp]

time to get 3k as outlaw

[round swift]

Thanks @hollow escarp

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

no outlaw keys?

[gusty mirage]

I vendored my pox storm in like October bro

[hollow escarp]

haha

I got bloodspiller earlier

but no valor

[zinc frost]

What’s an outlaw key? Is it a rare item?

[hollow escarp]

it's the ultimate rogue challenge this season

[gusty mirage]

You truly are a masochist

[limber lion]

bis covenant ability btw

[gusty mirage]

It affects double dose too

[hollow escarp]

that's good info for the Timewalking theorycrafters

[gusty mirage]

Legacy TCers are wild

They have complex spreadsheets and shit for everything

[hollow escarp]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTyB0KjadTohLmESDptGpfzVQIlncNJcjXJ-rq7lPjdmr3htyHuX2p2FrtkkCUGSu73juPi53yRGDOL/pubhtml#

looks like rogue is not updated for 9.2

I know mage has unity builds

[brazen zodiac]

legend has it that once long ago, it was considered to have god-like powers

[vestal wren]

either i don't see it or mechagon trinket is left out

[timid cloud]

The bike?

Good. Fuck that trinket.

It did look funny though.

[zinc frost]

It was funny in pvp that’s all I remember

Not funny when I would get one shot by it and drest trinket

[gusty mirage]

Remember when they messed up the scaling on that trinket in SL pre patch and it was one shotting everyone?

Good ol drest

[vestal wren]

cyclonic blast

[gusty mirage]

Oh true the punch card one

[ebon notch]

first burst phase on lords

i drop down to literally 0 frames

we get out of it and im back to normal

???

[timid cloud]

Hmm…

Didn’t we buy the beam?

I could’ve sworn it wasn’t from the dungeon.

[proud nest]

What's the reason for using Mutilate over Ambush as assa?

[vast loom]

!mutilate

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[vast loom]

Fuk

Its because of the extra combo points on crit

[proud nest]

Okay! Thanks 🙂

[gusty mirage]

it might be a weakaura

[proud nest]

So basically remove Ambush from Stealth bar and put Mutilate in there?

[gusty mirage]

yea if you're playing venthyr you don't use ambush at all

[ebon notch]

probably

[proud nest]

Great, cheers

[ebon notch]

was just super jarring

[gusty mirage]

yea cause I can't think of anything else that would possibly lag you there

unless its @oak sky ddosing you because he's jealous that you're more handsome than he is

[timid cloud]

All of you are handsome kings.

Don’t ever forget it.

[ebon notch]

playing necro with DS

i dont have enough cp for all this shit

im so close to losing SND

[subtle tundra]

refresh rupture with 4cp

[ebon notch]

ofc

[limber lion]

but necro = more cp

[ebon notch]

im being relatively conservative with my sbs until burst

[floral relic]

Can someone help me with the basic philosophy for Assa in M+? Assuming I have 5 CP and Slice in a big pack, I've been walking in and CT to get the DOT on everyone, Fan into Rupture on my prio, garrote, Mut, Flag, Evisc, MFD, Evisc, then Fan into Evisc for maintain. Should i be spreading Rupture onto other targets as well during the pull?

im currently only 3-pc rn btw

[zinc frost]

Definitely spread rupture, it’s a good chunk of dmg and energy your missing out on otherwise.

[ebon notch]

@limber lion cache trinket on pull?

or worth syncing up with burst phase

[floral relic]

Got it, should I be Evisc'ing on my prio target once my rupture spread is done, or is it worth re-applying CT before the pandemic window?

[zinc frost]

CT takes prio in aoe, just keep it maintained. Once your bleeds are out including CT you can slam envenoms into prio

[floral relic]

So not worth it to spam, but 100% keep it maintained

[zinc frost]

Yep

[floral relic]

Perfect, thats what ive been doing so im happy to have the confirmation, I just want 4pc so I actually do damage lol. Ive been peaking at 11K DPS, 261 ilvl, 3pc

[zinc frost]

Np, keep pumping

[trim cairn]

4pc gonna bring that up by a lot xd

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[limber lion]

burst

[subtle tundra]

i used it and it did less dmg than phial

on lords

[ebon notch]

when i get sigil

[drowsy parcel]

sigil is so weird as necro

it starts channeling fleshcraft

instead of just resetting the cooldown

like on venthyr

[limber lion]

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

okay so I wasn't tripping out

everyone kept mentioning how it resets CDs and I was using it as necro and I didn't notice shit

[dawn ivy]

yo does the sin apl still send shiv insta no matter what or does it shiv shiv hold for cds shiv shiv hold for cds

i remember that being a point of contention near the end of PTR

[fair vector]

Do you have to keep remaking tier gear in zeras mortis or is there a way to upgrade the ilvl if you make a slot on low lvl gear?

[hollow river]

you can continue to upgrade valor gear up to 272 after you make it into tier

[fair vector]

Im new back after a break. Im not even sure what the valor gear is haha. Is that the stuff you can buy in zeras? Or something else?

[hollow river]

m+ gear

[balmy condor]

cd

[hollow river]

that you get at the end of a dungeon

[storm onyx]

Mytic + runs drop gear that is upgradable up to 272 by currency

[fair vector]

Ok thanks. So you run M+ and get the slots you want and then turn them into the set peices in zeras? And upgrase with valor?

Upgrade

[storm onyx]

Pretty much

[fair vector]

I did google this before I asked too. For the record lol

[storm onyx]

Wowhead has a full guide fyi

[fair vector]

I tried to find something. Im not sure if I ever found the correct guide. Just trying to wrap my head around the quickest way to catch up.

[coral fable]

Here's the guide Cincime mentioned: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/creation-catalyst-crafting-tier-sets-shadowlands-patch-92

[fair vector]

Thanks guys

[hollow river]

I’ve been thinking about this for my alts too, on my main I did 15s for max ilvl loot from the vault so I could make 278 ilvl tier gear from those

But I think that isn’t the most efficient way to do it if you’re just coming back to the game now

Because we will have plenty of charges left over for crafting tier, since we get at least 1 a week

[fair vector]

Yah, I honestly have no idea how it works yet. And which slots to make the 4 pc in and which to keep for leggos. So im juat feeling it out. Came back to get into it before the expac comes around. So no rush.

[hollow river]

Ahh well if you’re not jumping into difficult content or not wanting to min max it won’t matter too too much

!unity

[prisma monolith]

All slots are close in output.
The best non tier slots across all specs are Belt or Wrists.
The best possible slot is likely Hands, Legs or Head.
Use a simulation to evaluate for your gear situation.

[hollow river]

The general legendary slots are Wrist/Belt for Unity(2nd leggo, covenant only)

And Duskwalkers on Ring once you have 4 piece

Lots of good info in the pins and #assassination-faq

[fair vector]

I deff min max once I get into it. Just kinda sucks being so late into the expac. Even profs seem kinda pointless until the expac. I took gathering just to mass some gold

[hollow river]

Yeah I wouldn’t go jumping into crafting legendaries on your own at the moment. But profs like Alchemy, Leatherworking, maybe inscription can sometimes be quite profitable

Depends a lot on your server pop and prices though of course

And I wouldn’t worry too much about being late to this patch, we are getting a Season 4 next patch. Before the new expansion

So there will be plenty of time for you to catch up some this patch, and kinda start fresh in Season 4

[fair vector]

First time playing rogue too. So lots of time to learn. Thanks for the info.

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

[hollow river]

Np

[gusty mirage]

You're going to kill it I hope you enjoy rogue as much as we do 🙂

[oak sky]

Ayo what the fuck

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

ok well

lords down

100% for ilvl is something i guess?

[gusty mirage]

100% for our hearts too

congrats dude

almost there

[ebon notch]

oh no wait

wtf happened to the log

[gusty mirage]

WCL probably timed out or something

happened to us on wednesday?

[ebon notch]

ok hold on jebait parse

[gusty mirage]

log should still be there tho

[ebon notch]

im uploading myself

fucked these scuffed uploaders

nvm i did shit

go next

[gusty mirage]

did you actually though

[ebon notch]

i went and helped take tank debuffs so they didnt die tho

[gusty mirage]

how many sin parses are there for mythic lords

[ebon notch]

49

i got rank 14

[gusty mirage]

ye

you didn't do shit

lmao

[ebon notch]

absolute GAHBAGE

[gusty mirage]

plus you're a team player

that's worth more than any parse ever will

[ebon notch]

ty oxi

[oak sky]

Thats worth nothing ur shit

[gusty mirage]

You're a gamer never forget that

[ebon notch]

i also came up with the strat that helped us kill it

[gusty mirage]

mad cuz he's hotter than you still?

unlucky

[ebon notch]

which involved "PLEASE MOVE THE FUCKING BOSS"

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Im not ugly im just bad boned

:c

[viscid spear]

We're all ugly on the inside

Just a brain jellyfish piloting a meat & bone vessel

[rigid tartan]

we killed Anduin finally, which means I am freed from playing Sub finally

[normal mist]

this good or desenchant?

[oak sky]

Might be good on sub or smth

Sim it

[normal mist]

I dont even know how it works brother, xD

[oak sky]

It gives you stats when you use it

It like rotates through stats every 30s then when you hit the last rune its like a bunch of stats

[normal mist]

86 each + 172 at last use

+20k dmg explosion

[subtle tundra]

you also have to press it all the time

• one of the effects gives 20% slow

[normal mist]

thats not really a problem (the pressing it all the time)

bind it to mutilate or something, done!

[subtle tundra]

you dont want that

cause you will use it at 4 runes at bad time

idk if people tried optimizing its usage in sims

could be good

[normal mist]

ima just sim it and see

[subtle tundra]

like getting the big stats during vendetta etc

[normal mist]

LOL

Idk if everything is alright with the sim but

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4PGMhjBgRtE8XpsKFy2qV4

[hollow river]

nah its bad for sub