assassination

[iron orchid]

i've been liking MoC for that reason

[limber lion]

I need my speed on the occasion

[strange python]

I can tell : )

[limber lion]

it's good to be slow at times, but it feels so weird just sitting there not pressuing anything for 5s

[strange python]

But you’re really skilled and have tons of practice so you got the handle of it

[limber lion]

when there's 15 targets

[willow eagle]

I thought assa is seeing an increase in numbers due to it performing so well on later bosses

[limber lion]

like just staring the mobs down

[willow eagle]

Compared to sub

[limber lion]

Assa definitely is.

[strange python]

Yeah you stare at mobs a lot

[limber lion]

But it's still 10 times less popular than Sub

[willow eagle]

Isn't this a 9.0.5 situation tho?

Ppl were slow to switch assa

[simple stratus]

I'm sure if assass had better AOE, it would be much more popular this tier

[limber lion]

I'm working my ass off to find apl gains for Assa and now that it's finally ahead of Sub in ST sims, more people will tend to swap to it

But community perception is what it is

All streamers play Sub

everyone flames Assa

[strange python]

My raid lead said assa is shit :”(

just play sub

[limber lion]

Dratnos said "yeah I should have placed Assa in C or D tier, B is too high" on his tier list video

which a lot of casuals look at

and take note of

[strange python]

Yeah dratnos xd smh

[willow eagle]

Well some of my guildies started considering assa because of that wowhead dps ranking article

[simple stratus]

they see big black powder numbers on lihuv and anduin

[iron orchid]

sub sees more play in mdi and saw more in progress too, will be hard changing everyon's perception that it is the best spec

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly, which is busted because of Anduin

[iron orchid]

wrong reply

[limber lion]

Sub is the worst spec in the entire game for Anduin

[iron orchid]

bruh

[craggy oak]

black powder spammers never prosper

[limber lion]

Which causes its overall rank to go down a shit ton

[glass tulip]

tell them we dont take fotm players, they can go sub

[limber lion]

Which in turn gives Assa more space to climb ranks

[vestal wren]

[limber lion]

The WCL statistics are just butchered

[strange python]

Inflated from anduin aoe

[willow eagle]

Does assa perform better on anduin?

[limber lion]

No

[willow eagle]

Than sub

[limber lion]

They're both bad

I mean, the 2 assa rogues that have killed it

[willow eagle]

Or do we just lack assa logs?

[limber lion]

have done more overall damage, yes

but there's literally 2 logs

[vestal wren]

but we have funnel damage

[limber lion]

Any assa gamers

[willow eagle]

Outlaw represent!
Oh wait

[strange python]

Why is ww so low

o.O?

[iron orchid]

yeah i've done this boss

[limber lion]

compared to Sub

[iron orchid]

in Heroic

[willow eagle]

Damage to bosses

[strange python]

Ohh

My bad

[limber lion]

2 Assa parses on Anduin

[iron orchid]

[limber lion]

180 Sub parses

90 times more Sub parses than Assa

[strange python]

Lmao

[simple stratus]

i started to go back to assass on some fights and its like a warm blanket. im still not sure about a lot of particulars as some stuff feels wrong like using CT single target or sitting on your vendetta for 20 seconds waiting for flag CD to come up

[willow eagle]

Yeah I agree thay wclogs are exceptionally skewed this tier

But thay article did help assa pick up some attention

[limber lion]

Like WCL shouldn't look at overall rankings/statistics

[willow eagle]

And possibly a gradual increase

[limber lion]

they should look boss-by-boss

[glass tulip]

boss dam stats are always nice

[limber lion]

But a lot of Assa gamers are also privatelogging

So it is what it is

[willow eagle]

I think you will see more and more sin rogues once more guilds arrive in rhygelon and dreadlords

[limber lion]

My guild about to kill Jailer next week

[vestal wren]

90 times more sub parses sounds a lot

[limber lion]

for sure

[strange python]

Are cds on lihuvim giga fucky

[willow eagle]

Sin on dreadlords is a beast

[limber lion]

We finally get to do some mythic reclearing after that

[solid venture]

[vestal wren]

until you realize that there are only 2 sin parses

[limber lion]

speedkills

[glass tulip]

no

[limber lion]

[simple stratus]

Should I be waiting that long on vend for flag to come off cd? sometimes feels like 20-30 seconds sitting on vend

[limber lion]

No, you shouldn't run into situations like that

[iron orchid]

check that your leggo is working properly

[strange python]

That’s too long

[limber lion]

You should fix your rotation

[simple stratus]

prob

[limber lion]

Because your Flag should not be that far off

[solid venture]

you must be doing sth wrong. its usually around 10 sec of holding

[limber lion]

You should be getting 27-30 stacks of Flag every single time

[strange python]

every 👀

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

I’m just bad it’s ok

[simple stratus]

my vend is up, its flag im waiting on

so my leggo is fine

[craggy oak]

can honestly say i dont think ive ever hit 30 on sin, 28 is where i live

[limber lion]

We don't have the problem of not having enough energy for Flag windows anymore because of 4p

and because we sync them everytime

[limber lion]

It shouldn't be too hard to reach

[iron orchid]

sometimes, unity stops working

[willow eagle]

Mfd helps you reach 30 stacks effortlessly

[limber lion]

Here's my opener which should get you to 30 unless you get super unlucky:

Muti - Slice - Muti - AT - Gar - wait 1s - Flag - Rupture - MFD - CT - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti - Gar - CT - Muti - Muti - Rup

[hollow escarp]

I like to see such close dps on anduin for both parses

[limber lion]

This opener is the same everytime, unless you get omega unlucky with the MA window mutilates or the 2 mutilates after CT

[solid venture]

4 pi's though

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but necro

[limber lion]

they're faeries

[hollow escarp]

ohh true

[strange python]

Wait where’s vanish in there unless I’m missing

[iron orchid]

after shiv

[glass tulip]

missed vanish in the middle there unless im trippin

[solid venture]

[hollow escarp]

tbf, fairies does nothing for assa venthyr

since you hold vendetta anyway

[strange python]

I’ve been building to 5 with shiv and then vanish envenoming 🤔

[limber lion]

True, Vanish after Shiv

[vestal wren]

seli also got 4 times fairies

[limber lion]

Yes like we've said 2 times already :P

[hollow escarp]

[craggy oak]

why are you waiting 1 sec before flag

[limber lion]

where?

[fleet anchor]

Because WW is trash atm

[limber lion]

Oh why am I waiting

[glass tulip]

would fairies get you 2 vendettas on intermission as necro?

[fleet anchor]

WW is so trash even WW players are not playing WW

[limber lion]

Because it allows me to get high stacks more consistently

[craggy oak]

i see

[strange python]

I thought it was overall not boss damage : P

[limber lion]

Which means more overall sync possibilities

and less waiting between cds

[craggy oak]

i dont have that 1 sec delay, will try it

[limber lion]

It's not anything giga

dw

[craggy oak]

if its better its better

[ebon notch]

ok this fok buff

im doing too much damage to lost souls

i just want the combo points bruh

[simple stratus]

take off your poisons 4hed

[glass tulip]

how are fastest kills on lihuvim killing him in under 5 minutes?

[limber lion]

Oh I was getting worried there

because you definitely don't on Mythic

fastest mythic kill is 7:24

but yeah, you just blast on heroic idk

[fleet anchor]

That feel when Anduin numbers are so inflated that 27k is still in a 3 way tie for 2nd worst in the raid 🤣

[glass tulip]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/lihuvim-principal-architect

[glass tulip]

am bad at reading

[limber lion]

:)

[glass tulip]

didnt see H/M toggle

and was very concerned

was just checking vendetta timings to see if other people were squeezing their cds in before 2nd synthesize

[fleet anchor]

How to get a parse on Lihuvim--bribe your Hunters not to press Wild Spirits on the small adds

[limber lion]

Nah just blast boss

go ham

ignore adds

[fleet anchor]

😛

[limber lion]

:')

[glass tulip]

well I pretty much had my CT rolling and even an axe proc

our adds were still dying dangerously slow

[solid venture]

cache axe bleeds and fok > ct spam

[limber lion]

Yeah, I always did 2 full Vendetta cycles between adds

[strange python]

Cding first schematic feels really troll

[limber lion]

But I don't use cds on adds personally, might be different for you if you have to

[glass tulip]

I don't either, just made our druid convoke them with PI'd MM hunters

we killed last night so onto crab today

[fleet anchor]

That only really works because most of the Assassination parses are doing that so it's mostly a fair fight. Some log will come along to make life difficult someday. 😛

Sub was mostly in the same boat until some guy came along with a 17k parse with 2m add pad damage lol

[glass tulip]

I ended at 13k after our destros and SVs, felt pretty good about it

[limber lion]

Yeah that's very true

[solid venture]

F's in the chat boys i gotta play this fucking boss

[limber lion]

rip Dwaas

[fleet anchor]

RIP

[strange python]

I’m most def sitting that lol

Unlucky dwaas

[glass tulip]

which are you link

[solid venture]

dwaas

[limber lion]

the big D

[solid venture]

crab stabber

[fleet anchor]

We were discussing in officer chat last night about comp and people were like "feel bad we can't work you in" and I'm like "don't even apologize man, I know Rogue is bottom spec on this dumb fight" lol

[glass tulip]

private madge

[limber lion]

Yeah

[glass tulip]

cant be added to log watching folder

[limber lion]

Anduin was the fight I was happy to be benched on

[solid venture]

[strange python]

Anduin cool fight i just don’t do anything lol

comparatively speaking

[fleet anchor]

I'm not sad to be benched on it. I've never liked the fight, it's my least favorite in the tier. It's just random mechanical soup. lol

[strange python]

Prob@my fav fight now that crab is toast

That’s pantheon man

[fleet anchor]

Pantheon is my second least favorite fight

[limber lion]

I do enjoy Anduin

[vestal wren]

that description fits a lot of fights ^^

[limber lion]

but they made Pantheon terrible

kinda sad

looked like a cool fight

[vestal wren]

was about to mention pantheon

[strange python]

Panth heroic was fun

[limber lion]

turned out to be awful

[strange python]

I enjoyed panth heroic a lot

[glass tulip]

mechanics vomit and constantly bleeding out, very pog

[craggy oak]

is the correct answer, when being asked to do more dmg to adds on rygelon as sin rogue - "fuck off"

[glass tulip]

yeah p much

[limber lion]

Yes.

[craggy oak]

ye

nice

[limber lion]

even as a Sub rogue

[fleet anchor]

yeah Pantheon is definitely a poster child for mechanical vomit

No rhyme or reason to the fight in practice. Probably sounds cool when looking at the dungeon journal.

[strange python]

I can’t bring myself to hate pantheon even if I’m assigned to a single add and can’t hit bosses xd

[vestal wren]

the fight sounds a lot more complex than he is

[strange python]

Heroic was too fun

[vestal wren]

if you read the dungeon journal

[fleet anchor]

Fight in practice "just AoE LOL"

[limber lion]

The Night Hunter mechanic is just annoying

[fleet anchor]

I think the idea of the pantheon would have been more neat if we didn't already fight Sire?

[strange python]

I think the fact that it’s a throwback makes it cooler

But idk

Everyone likes sore

[vestal wren]

it would probably be a neat fight if you had more distinctive single covenant phases

[strange python]

Sire

[vestal wren]

instead of the 2-2-4

[fleet anchor]

The Sire copy and paste mechanics are probably the worst aspects of the fight. Night Hunter and grip are and ticking damage from Sire are like 99% of the difficulty of the fight.

[strange python]

night hunter is bad I agree

[fleet anchor]

All the other mechanics are actually totally whatever

If you deleted Sire from the fight as it's currently designed it'd basically just be a target dummy lol

[strange python]

What if they made it so that you had to soak the frontal like nathria instead

Ig not much different lol

[unborn ruin]

What ability is AT?

[fleet anchor]

It's no wonder Kyrestia got owned so hard when she only has the abilities of a random dungeon boss

[glass tulip]

arcane torrent

[strange python]

Arcane torrent

[limber lion]

Arcane Torrent

[strange python]

x3

[glass tulip]

3 globals

[kindred heron]

Yeah if youre not BloodElf thats another "wait one second"

[fleet anchor]

Although I do find it amusing they basically just gave Kyrestia all of Devos' abilities for some reason.

Surprised they didn't make us throw a spear at her 🤣

[strange python]

Lol imagine

[vestal wren]

don't give them ideas

[strange python]

kinda sadge I won’t be able to experience difficult halondrus

[flint raptor]

how dare you

[gray horizon]

im finally geared enough to switch to CT again yay

I feel like I'm back in Nyalotha

4p is basically just exsang

[flint raptor]

with refresh ^^

[gray horizon]

yeee

[arctic venture]

guys silly question, keep the buffs, rup, garrote and CT is more important than finish with envenon, right?

[vestal wren]

same, but it still will be a fun fight

[strange python]

Yeah agree

we were starting it this week

Narrowly missed it

[fleet anchor]

Yeah just with like 40% less Haste tho 😛

[strange python]

It was even faster ??

[gray horizon]

haha yeahhhhh

[strange python]

Did you hit the haste breakpoint

[limber lion]

Yes.

[gray horizon]

dude yes

[flint raptor]

400% haste procc? Ready to Exang

😄

[gray horizon]

nyalotha was insane

[strange python]

@.@ oh god

[limber lion]

But a muuuuuch longer exsanguinate window

[strange python]

That sounds hectic

[gray horizon]

not sure! just simmin stuff and CT finally makes sense. Idk what % haste cap is atm

I took a super long break so just gearing back up, i'm only like 255

[strange python]

[gray horizon]

dang apparently my guild couldn't even get halondrus down last night after the nerf so rip them

[gusty mirage]

2nd intermission is a bit tricky and P3 is still a bit rough

But they’ll get it, it’s just getting comfy with that walking phase and then making sure motes don’t hit

Tell them to channel their inner Patrick Roy

Bomb changes mean you only have to hand them off 2 maybe 3 times before boss is dead. Literally only thing that can wipe you in p3 is motes

[gray horizon]

i haven't tried any of the fights in mythic yet but I'm a big fan of the crab on heroic

[gusty mirage]

Yeah halondrus is a sick fight

[trim cairn]

They nerfed halo on HC too?

[gray horizon]

reminds me of a dragoon from starcraft

[fleet anchor]

Still kinda interesting to look at the extreme difference in damage breakdown. DP is definitely way larger part of things now with 2pc. But bleeds still a lot less without SS and crazy Haste.

DP DoT in the Nyalotha log on the left was only 4.3%

[limber lion]

I enjoy the current breakdown much, much more

All abilities actually doing proper damage

not dominated by a single ability

[bleak sky]

not on this patch

[gray horizon]

That garrote dmg...

[vestal wren]

current sin rotation is far diffrent with the low vendetta cycles

from the traditional one

[ebon notch]

blizz its too strong

nerf it

[fleet anchor]

I'd personally like to see Envenom a bit higher but maybe via some mechanic like Doomblade baseline

[gray horizon]

Agreed

[limber lion]

Hell no, Envenom is shit

I don't understand why everyone likes Envenom

[fleet anchor]

I mean Envenom is shit. That's my point. 😛

[trim cairn]

Bro Envenom slaps

[limber lion]

It's literally a filler ability

It does nothing

We press it when we have nothing better to do

[obtuse robin]

whos rolling a tuaren rogue in 10.0?

[trim cairn]

It hits harder than full mastery Sub Evis

xD

[limber lion]

Like it's the VERY LAST thing on the priority list

[trim cairn]

Sub evis tickling meanwhile envenom slaps

😄

[fleet anchor]

Having filler spender that doesn't do anything once DoTs are up is why things like increased CP gain (say via Kyrian as mentioned above) doesn't actually do anything

[limber lion]

it's literally a filler ability

Like I wouldn't mind seeing a proper finisher that does deeps

but Envenom aint it

A filler finisher ain't it

Would rather have a button that does increasing damage the more bleeds we have on the target with a slight cooldown

[trim cairn]

What change would you make to Envenom to make it slap for you?

[limber lion]

Nothing

[obtuse robin]

so a symbols

[limber lion]

It's a filler ability

[oak sky]

Poison bomb rework

[limber lion]

By design it is always shit

Even if it did 13207895347805078 damage

[fleet anchor]

"but maybe via some mechanic like Doomblade baseline"
isn't that basically what I said? 😛

[limber lion]

it's still a filler ability

[trim cairn]

I mean shit if it did that much damager

[gray horizon]

I've always pictured sin as a poison based class, so bleeds are kinda boring for me. So if they made envenom awesome i'd be so for that

[limber lion]

No, because it's still a filler ability

[trim cairn]

Your rotation would be a filler for Envenom

[oak sky]

He said on cd

[limber lion]

Because there's no cooldown

[oak sky]

Cd makes it not filler

[gray horizon]

even tho what's the difference between a poison and a bleed technically

[limber lion]

It's a button that you press when you have nothing else to do

When none of the actual good buttons don't do anything

then you press Envenom

It's not a choice

[fleet anchor]

I mean CD is kinda pointless, means they'd just have to add a ANOTHER finisher which with CT is kinda too much

[limber lion]

You don't make the choice to press Envenom

You press it because there's nothing else to do

[fleet anchor]

The point would be to make it scale on Bleeds to give some payoff once you have things ramped

Rather than just being wet noodle all the time

[hexed root]

so

[gray horizon]

that would be cool

[limber lion]

I'm glad Envenom is the way it is currently

[gray horizon]

enemy is bleeding all over

[limber lion]

Actually makes sense now

[gray horizon]

now rub some poison in them

[hexed root]

who is gonna race change to tauren rogue when it comes out?

pretty sure I'm gonna

[limber lion]

Never

[fleet anchor]

Right now it's basically like negative ramp. You get your stuff up then what you do doesn't really matter at all because bleeds and AAs are like 90% of your damage.

Which is why stuff like Kyrian has no hope of being useful

[limber lion]

Yeah and that's the beauty of assassination

[fleet anchor]

Or even non-hasted energy regen also becomes useless

[limber lion]

A spec that revolves around maintenance

[fleet anchor]

Haste is good because it scales DoTs

[limber lion]

not big chunky finishers

[fleet anchor]

But regen itself is actually useless

[limber lion]

Sub should be the spec with big chunky finishers

not Assa

[obtuse robin]

what sould pirate be

[gray horizon]

gone

[limber lion]

This iteration is literally the best Assa has been since Legion ( - poison bomb)

[gray horizon]

i loved 8.3 rogue

sin*

[limber lion]

Sustained damage throughout with no maintenance.

[oak sky]

Pirate should have 5 rtb rolls that actually matter

Maybe different roll logic in different situations

[trim cairn]

I agree but Sub literally hits like soft spaghetti

Compared to Envenom

I always said that idk how Sub's mastery can be increasing the damage of finishing moves

Yet the finishers do less than Envenom with shit gear

[limber lion]

And that's the problem

Like I said in the reply

[fleet anchor]

I mean I'm not really saying Envenom has to hit like a truck but honestly I think boosting it with bleeds via a Doomblade mechanic would be better payoff for the spec and lead to more flexibility with fight mechanics that ramp resource gain, or cleave/funnel situations where you have high VW regen.

[limber lion]

Sub should be the spec with the chunky finishers

[limber lion]

How so? Because last time we played Doomblade, it didn't change our rotation in any way

It's just another passive damage slapped on top

[fleet anchor]

The value of multi-DoT right now is in theory "infinite" energy, but there's really nothing useful to spend that energy on so it's largely pointless

[fleet anchor]

Not about changing the rotation as much as biasing the damage patterns so Envenom does decent damage in excess resource situations once you get DoTs rolling. But requiring DoTs to be up for it to do that damage so it's not the "default" spender.

Assassination has a real issue with not being able to do anything useful with excess resources

[limber lion]

Yeah I agree.

[fleet anchor]

And largely that's because they have to tune Envenom low so Rupture's DPET is clearly superior

[trim cairn]

Envenom really does decent damage, you just dont have enough situations like you mention

If they changed 4pc to not reduce duration

[granite widget]

easy just give sin red powder

[trim cairn]

But keep the tick rate on bleeds

[fleet anchor]

I don't really think a situation where CT is actually better than Envenom in ST speaks very well for Envenom lol

[granite widget]

or red black powder

[limber lion]

I just don't want Assassination to revolve around a boring filler ability like Envenom. The current Assa is much more complex and rewarding compared to the 9.0 Assa that can slap any button in any order and still do 90-100% the max damage.

And that's great

But honestly, Assa could use a rework one day

but that's probs not happening any time soon

Or well, we don't really know what the new talent trees might entail, they might change things up a bit

[obtuse robin]

yea they did say combinations we never coudl do b4 we can in 10.0

[oak sky]

Hoping for cool new toys mixed with our solid core in the talent rework

That would be nice

[trim cairn]

Afaik isn't that only in regards to combining utility choices?

[obtuse robin]

we wil lsee based on feedback

[limber lion]

Sepsis in talent tree

[oak sky]

No

[trim cairn]

In the interview I thought they said they couldn't avoid cookie cutter builds but that is why they separate throughput talents into the spec tree with utility talents kept on the class tree

[vestal wren]

i like the idea

[bleak sky]

Sepsis gone and forever removed from the game

[granite widget]

smoke bomb comes back

warriors in shambles

[limber lion]

What is wrong with Sepsis

explain

immediately.

[bleak sky]

you like it

[limber lion]

?????

[oak sky]

[trim cairn]

It does what Koji wants Envenom to do

[obtuse robin]

if smoke bomb doesnt make it back in 10.0 then we will never see it again

[oak sky]

We could get something but i kinda doubt its smoke bomb

[fleet anchor]

I'd give it a good 90% chance

It's honestly a slam dunk to fill out the tree

[obtuse robin]

90% chance from the math guy

my pp is happy

[fleet anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/math-numbers-confused-when-he-say-hes-straight-what-gif-7675506

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-smoke-bomb-gif-9219041

[limber lion]

2 new poisons, which will allow you to swap between the monk or dh buff

[oak sky]

Ive said it forever i think smoke bomb would be boring

[limber lion]

[gray horizon]

droppin smoke bombs for Thok all day

[obtuse robin]

lol

[ebon notch]

i want combat shroud

[obtuse robin]

yea what was our dmg raid buff i forget

[bleak sky]

but that means we lose that very valuable mind numbing poison

[obtuse robin]

armor something?

[oak sky]

Expose armor

?

That would be dumb just another monk debuff

[obtuse robin]

make it armor pen

[oak sky]

Its all the same shit

[obtuse robin]

sametyhing i guess

lol

[oak sky]

Boring damage buff

[spice spire]

Tauren rogues

[oak sky]

Imo we should either get something brand new and unique or nothing

[obtuse robin]

i like cevs idea so ur not forced to bring any of those classes

[bleak sky]

bis

[spice spire]

Amen

[fleet anchor]

I mean

I don't really care if it's boring

[oak sky]

I stg if i was one of the interviewers i would lay put why we need cross faction guilds and make them explain that their dev time is too slow to make it happen

[fleet anchor]

At the end of the day other specs have raid utility that is along similar lines

Rally, AMZ, Darkness, whatever

Not having "boring" utility just leaves us at a disadvantage

[oak sky]

I mean i dont really want to just be "another amz"

Or another dh buff

[fleet anchor]

I honestly don't mind

[oak sky]

I just think its lazy

[fleet anchor]

Buffs don't have to be exciting, they just have to be part of the calculus for how comps are made

Anything too niche will either become required or ignorable

[gray horizon]

i dont like having any important roles outside of "do dmg"

[fleet anchor]

Blizzard isn't gonna give us a new version of portals that are 100% required, so

[oak sky]

I wouldnt want that at all either

The goal wouldnt be to have something broken op and required thats unique

[gray horizon]

make our poisons do something like boss takes 5% dmg from all sources

passive dmg boost

ez

[oak sky]

Just something special that while not required is just nice to have

[trim cairn]

I was memeing to the guild about rogues being able to TP people through shadows would be pretty sick, party shadowstep or something

[obtuse robin]

cloak now shrouds your entire raid

seems fine

[oak sky]

Full raid immunity

Yeah that would be totally fine

[vast loom]

"balanced"

[gray horizon]

i dig it

[oak sky]

Definitely not required on every fight in the game

[normal mist]

i want to play tauren rogue

[gray horizon]

could you imagine how large that cloak would have to be

[gusty mirage]

Based

[obtuse robin]

it would also have to be like a 5 min cd

or 10

[strange python]

Once a fight

[oak sky]

Even once a fight

[granite widget]

party only maybe

[oak sky]

That would hard carry certain overlaps

[strange python]

Is huge

Yeah

[granite widget]

raid immunity is insane

[fleet anchor]

Like Darkness is basically what Smoke Bomb should have been changed into instead of deleted

[drowsy hollow]

Too bad stomp drs other stuns eh?

[oak sky]

And they would have to hard design around it

[strange python]

Could make dr but immunity is fucked

[fleet anchor]

And Monk buff originally belonged to Rogues

[normal mist]

does not matter

[fleet anchor]

So it's really just unfortunate we didn't get either one

[normal mist]

no one expects the tauren rogue

[vast loom]

i think raid wide feint with a bit of a nerf would atleast be equivalent to other raid utility options

[drowsy hollow]

Tauren rogue sounds cool, so does lightforged Draenei

[vast loom]

i say get rid of class restrictions at all 🙂

if a gnome can be a warrior a tauren can be a rogue

[normal mist]

^

YES

[vestal wren]

tbh i was surprised to see smoke bomb gone from rogue after wod.
But it makes sense when darkness is essentially the same thing

same with wl meta

[vast loom]

i do think every DPS needs some raid utility since balance has never taken raid buffs into account really

[oak sky]

Ye because it would make the mages cry

[vestal wren]

it probably is a better approach to spread raid utility out more

to have multiple classes provide the same

[vast loom]

yeah thats my ideal

[vestal wren]

so its less unique, but opens up more raid compositions

[vast loom]

like give monk,rogue,warr all "mystic touch"

[oak sky]

All the raid buffs they could ever want already exist so theres really only room for unique utility

[vast loom]

i also think some classes just get too many utility things like warr and dh have a raid cd and a raid buff

[trim cairn]

Sub rogues used to have 5% crit buff to all raid members

[oak sky]

Honestly i think its a crime that dh and warrior have rally and darkness when they already have raid buffs yeah

[trim cairn]

Back in cata and mop if I recall

[vast loom]

like DK is perfect

okay dps

[vestal wren]

warrior also has execute

[vast loom]

with a single raid CD

[oak sky]

Other than amz sucking yes

[vestal wren]

and good aoe

[oak sky]

Dk also has grips dont forget it

[vast loom]

the balance of amz is another isseu lol

[oak sky]

Grip is a great piece of raid utility

Unique

Not broken

Strong in the right situation

[vast loom]

yeah agreed

[oak sky]

Amz is just weak but its also good

Rogue has an immune and numbing poison and hunter has an immune and binding shot

[open lion]

so ass rogues re tearing me up im sub, but you guys dont NEED a sylv dagger at all? o.O

[oak sky]

Which is great until you realize mage and pally have immunes as well

[vast loom]

hunter also has lust and all the pet utility

[oak sky]

Lust is barely a raid buff tbh

[vast loom]

true

but you would never make a raid without one

[oak sky]

You would also never make a raid without a mage

So it doesnt matter

[vast loom]

false! lords would like to have a word

atleast RWF lords lol

i think lust needs to be moved to like a extra action button in all content or some shit

[oak sky]

Why would they do that

They can just make drums better instead

[vast loom]

yeah i guess that works too lol

[trim cairn]

@limber lion Is Deeper Stratagem even a thing rn?

[gusty mirage]

It is for non-venthyr covs

[glass junco]

Hey yall

[gusty mirage]

Hello

[glass tulip]

Yo

[glass junco]

I am getting brain damage trying to learn assa, im in front of the dummy, brain farting

i dont know how to open

i have 4p and everything

[brazen zodiac]

well my friend let me start you off with the faq, the pins

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[brazen zodiac]

!faq

[vast loom]

#assassination message

[gusty mirage]

From the faq, should give you a good baseline to go off of

[vast loom]

also cev just posted that

[glass junco]

i saw this

but

[brazen zodiac]

sup oxi

[glass junco]

got confused tbh

[gusty mirage]

Hi cutie

[brazen zodiac]

want some of my beef and cheese burrito with taco seasoning?

[glass tulip]

Opener: Muti - Slice - Muti - arcane torrent (if BE) - Gar - wait 1s - Flag - Rupture - MFD - CT - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti - Gar - CT - Muti - Muti - Rup

@glass junco

[spice spire]

🦥

[brazen zodiac]

you dont vanish - mut - env - mut - ct?

then gar, mut rupture?

or does it not matter

[glass tulip]

This is cev's opener

But also what I have been doing since it got put in pins

No idea what yours is

[gusty mirage]

I would love to, but no food until sundown yet

[glass junco]

but, what talents? cause i have marked for death and MA

[glass tulip]

Those are the correct talents for the build

[brazen zodiac]

same as yours but instead i mut evn mut ct then gar etc

hm

[glass tulip]

Since master assassin procs off of your initial stealth and vanish, you mutilate envenom mutilate both of those times for the higher CP generation

[brazen zodiac]

ah right

[glass tulip]

Where do you slice vita

[limber lion]

That's fine. The gar after Muti is only applicable if you wait slightly before Flag because then it enters pandemic at that very moment

[brazen zodiac]

gotcha

thx

[glass tulip]

Oh after the vanish you mean

I see

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[dire spoke]

should I be able to maintain CT garr rup on 2 targets at all times?

[trim cairn]

On 2 targets for sure

[gusty adder]

how do you CD on xymox? vendetta seems to come up JUST as 1st intermission is comming

do you pop on adds or save for boss

(im in no platform grp btw)

just seems wasteful both holding CDs and popping on an add I guess

so I guess im asking: which is the better of the two:b

[limber lion]

Either is fine. I popped them on one of the acolytes to help with killing em and the cds lined up very well after that

But if you're not doing platforms or anything, then saving it is just fine

[gusty adder]

Alright, will do then

thanks

[strange python]

uhh

someone asked for tauren rogues

well its a thing next expac

[whole mason]

and also gives a chance to get 30 stacks.

[violet jackal]

source!

[strange python]

check wowhead real quick :)

someone in transmog channel also linked it

[vestal wren]

the interview earlier, its linked on wowhead

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mages-priests-and-rogues-available-to-all-races-in-dragonflight-326890

guess we're about to see Ninjacowx

[strange python]

draenei rogue :D

alliance D:

[violet jackal]

nope It's going to be DruidPandaX

[oak sky]

Catpandax

[vestal wren]

i mean, we have cross fraction play in dragonf

[strange python]

cross guild please?

[vestal wren]

possible, but its likely not that easy to add

[strange python]

yeah : (

[oak sky]

They seem to be working on it or at least planning for it

[vestal wren]

so i wouldn't hold my breath to get that early in the new xpac

[oak sky]

I just checked and when they talked with t&e they basically said its gonna take time to make it work

[strange python]

just want to play nelf in my guild man

[oak sky]

I mean you can play with them once 9.2.5 rolls around

And even in 10.0 if ur on server you can but

Cant be in the guild until they add it

[dire spoke]

wrong channel

reposted in OT

[quaint sequoia]

Really hope shrouded suffocation comes back as a talent in DF

[ebon notch]

200k wipe

free from anduin prison soon?

also im literally all of our p3 damage

rogue viable?

[brazen zodiac]

maybe in ur dreams

[inland heath]

we never use ambush?

[oak sky]

On venth nah

[brazen zodiac]

i use it in keys lul

[inland heath]

yea i just do keys lol

[vast loom]

shouldnt you open with garrote in keys? since we typically use subterfuge

[solid venture]

do i go sigil / phial or cache / phial or maybe even sigil / cache for anduin prog

[paper blaze]

guys im bout to crate my leggos the unity + dusk one where do i craft it? its couse im seeing ppl crafting it on chest or feet and idk if there is a big diff

[echo geyser]

top gear sim it if u care to minmax

it depends on the rest of ur gear

!unity

[prisma monolith]

All slots are close in output.
The best non tier slots across all specs are Belt or Wrists.
The best possible slot is likely Hands, Legs or Head.
Use a simulation to evaluate for your gear situation.

[paper blaze]

idc bout min max now couse my rogue is only 239 at moment XD

[echo geyser]

so go unity belt or wrist

dusk ring

safe slots

[serene shell]

how much haste do you guys have

[balmy condor]

the amount the sim says

[bleak sky]

30 haste

[balmy condor]

I have no idea how much of anything I have

[trim cairn]

can you link your sim that sounds crazy

[turbid harbor]

my man has lfr gloves

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/ || ||

[north current]

hi guys, why right now duke is better than nadjia??? ( because of 3 potency cond o something else)

[balmy condor]

they're pretty similar

but number bigger

and uh

yeah

[north current]

mastery is good buff for sin spec?

[turbid harbor]

all stats are good for sin

[balmy condor]

yeah every stat is basically equal for sin

kinda weird

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[serene shell]

my stat weights are skewed

towards haste and mastery

[balmy condor]

probably means you have a lot of crit

[serene shell]

50%

[balmy condor]

[obtuse robin]

man is in sod mode

[solid venture]

5 pulls in on andy and im already tilted

get me out pls

[obtuse robin]

i cant wait

[ebon notch]

easy for the boys

not even allowed to press fok on souls to do more ST

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

LMFAO

good job daps

[ebon notch]

wow my mythic average is gonna be poggers

my p3 pi got given to a fucking hunter

[brazen zodiac]

those fuckin hunters

[oak sky]

Balls

[spare crow]

question: Is envenom ever only used as filler finisher if enemy has CT+Rupture+Garrote already ticking?

or are there cases where u can use envenom as finisher even without bleeds ticking on enemy?

[balmy condor]

you would use it to maintain slice

but otherwise no

just a filler

[limber lion]

No, you want your bleeds on enemies.

[worn panther]

Slice uptime? otherwise bleeds are prio

[limber lion]

In m+ when mobs are dying, you'd want to use Envenom more instead of reapplying dots that wouldn't get full value

But even then you want to maintain dots

[distant hinge]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[paper blaze]

isnt better craft unity on shoulders and get the tier head? or is better tier shoulders and head leggo

[spice spire]

It’s literally all within like

40 dps, I wouldn’t dwell on it

[young pebble]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[slow marsh]

you can get 285 shoulders so even though the stats are meh the agi is better

[bleak sky]

!snapchat

[slow marsh]

!minalbaselfie

[empty hinge]

!onlyfans

[bleak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

!minalbleaked

[north current]

on ST when is best to ask PI in raids?

[bleak sky]

never

[brazen zodiac]

typically best to ask in the year AD77000

i hear by then we'll be a good pick

[violet jackal]

As you cast vendetta for venthyr probably mid flagellation

[brazen zodiac]

hey pandaman, you ever get the ring?

[violet jackal]

I did ^_^

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[spice spire]

[ionic sphinx]

!tea

fuck. what tea does assass want? just haste > all?

[balmy condor]

haste and crit good

also can sim it

using the thing in the faq

[brazen zodiac]

did someone say faq

[balmy condor]

no

no faq here

[brazen zodiac]

shit whered it go

last i saw it it was somewhere in Chicago taking a dip with some hot lady

hey whisp hows ur mental doin today

[balmy condor]

I lost my mental a long time ago

[brazen zodiac]

go find it last i saw it was with the faq in chicago

[ionic sphinx]

ty for answer, also you look very cute today whispyr

and your hair is nice

🙂

[balmy condor]

ty

[brazen zodiac]

whisp lookin cute every day

[muted condor]

in raid and m+, do i wanna be holding vendetta for covenant ability?

[night leaf]

my sims now show mastery sockets & enchants after a certain level of haste

[balmy condor]

if you're venth yeah

should line up every time

if you play zold it's flag every minute vend every 2

if you play dusk it's flag and vend every minute

[muted condor]

i was just hitting a dummy and getting vendetta to a minute, so wanted to make sure 😛

[viscid spear]

Thought I felt a tickle

[vast forum]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[muted condor]

yep, that was probably me https://imgur.com/a/QHEOXC1

[hollow escarp]

something's not quite right

[lucid birch]

Is rogue good yet asking for a friend

[bleak sky]

@balmy condor should know

[brazen zodiac]

minal

you will be the reason why he begins his massacre

[bleak sky]

I hope he kills me first

[brazen zodiac]

no me first

wait why dont we just help him

[lucid birch]

@brazen zodiac u a rogue main?

[brazen zodiac]

no i play league of legends

yeah

[lucid birch]

lol lame

[lone junco]

Rip

[carmine token]

what does the horoscope say?

[lucid birch]

It’s not looking good…..

[paper blaze]

are we still going like heavy crit then haste?

[glass tulip]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[bleak sky]

we're going with whatever the robot tells you to run

[paper blaze]

so i just sim with m+ talents in patchwerk

[slow marsh]

wut

[balmy condor]

huh?

[small drift]

why do ppl vanish there in the opener?

[frigid sleet]

to gain advantage of this talent

[small drift]

oh true haha i was looking at old talent recommendations without master assassin thats why i wondered

also isn't ambush a thing at all for opening / in general from stealth?

[vast loom]

nope not with MA cuz of extra combo points

[balmy condor]

not with MA on venth

[vast loom]

maybe open world?

to 1shot shit better

[balmy condor]

minmaxing world quests

[small drift]

ah true mutilate has that extra cps on crits

and how many stacks on flag should you usually hit as assa?

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

more than 20

[small drift]

but can you consistently hit 30 when playing correct?

[vast loom]

atleast 25

sometimes 30

is my typical

[bleak sky]

no

because mutilate crits

[small drift]

ok ty guys. last one for today: whats usually higher prio when playing the vent st build, refreshing bleeds (including crimson) or envenom and do those prios change in shiv / vendetta windows?

[bleak sky]

keep snd up > keep bleeds up

[brazen zodiac]

keep minalba in dms

[bleak sky]

envenom is just a filler / keep snd up ability

[paper blaze]

couse i mainly gonna do m+ as assasin

[bleak sky]

Do dungeon slice then

[paper blaze]

though anyone sims on dung slice couse it was bad

[hollow river]

its good for rogue

[vast loom]

any sim is only as good as the APL is maintained

and rogue has pog apls 🙂

[onyx rain]

on opener for 2 targets - the pin says SBS what does that stand for again?

[blazing pumice]

serrated bone spike

[onyx rain]

dun

[blazing pumice]

necrolord ability

[onyx rain]

duh*

for pantheon - why SBS twice in that opener when it applies to both on opener on the first one?

sorry, basic questions, play sub most of the time

[balmy condor]

it's just easy cp

[onyx rain]

fair

[balmy condor]

you have 5 charges now with deathspike

[onyx rain]

big true

its a weird opener

[harsh anchor]

art

[drifting cloud]

the pet probably stronger than the boss now

[cyan kite]

does anyone have a weak aura that just shows CT DoT timer on target?

[onyx rain]

plater profile ?

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-champions-video-games-crab-crabs-battle-royale-gif-17585226

Me @ Halondrus

[cyan kite]

I have a plater profile but I'd like a weak aura too so I can have it in a static spot on my screen

[onyx rain]

id love a pantheon WA that shows dots

[ebon notch]

One is the easiest ways to do it is to have the nameplate change colour if you have a certain dot on it

For example it turns blue when you have rupture up

And it will change colour if it falls off

[onyx rain]

for pantheon - no way its realistic to maintain garrote and rupture on all 4 in p3 right?

(mythic)

[timid cloud]

You could.

Along with CT.

[onyx rain]

seems like a lot

[timid cloud]

You FOK 3 targets anyways.

[onyx rain]

mmm true

[timid cloud]

So it’s a chance at a full 5 CP, & you go deeper strat.

[onyx rain]

so its fok / dot in p3

[timid cloud]

Along with Zold

For prog, I think Cev said Dusk for faster kills.

[onyx rain]

yea im running that rn

its our first night on them

so not sure we'll se p3

[timid cloud]

Might be worth it to run Dusk then if you’re not gonna touch P3.

[onyx rain]

yea thats what i have on

just struggling to not mess up dots

[real fox]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

this is already hell lol

running 5 mechanics during opener

[hollow river]

its a fun fight tho once you get it down

[glass tulip]

can you tell where PI goes on opener

lol

[bleak sky]

you got a lot of time for bombs

and dispel

can run to the side cloak and come back ezclap

[glass tulip]

you cloak the dispell? hm

[bleak sky]

sometimes yeah

just p1 and p2 though

[glass tulip]

plan is for me to solo carry bomb on 2nd int

[bleak sky]

[glass tulip]

[bleak sky]

no cloak to play goalie

[glass tulip]

tank problem

[hollow river]

kind of a waste of damage

[glass tulip]

wdym

[hollow river]

or are you going to sit on the boss with it

[glass tulip]

yeah

[hollow river]

and run it to the door after the last shatter

[balmy condor]

On the rogue? No shot you’re that high up on meters

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

Always show me

[timid cloud]

LOL

Always show boss damage only meter.

I’m #1 every time.

Because BOSS DIE.

[glass tulip]

bruh

also cloak didnt clear my bomb debuff

I thought it did that

[tired falcon]

i would assume it only immune the dmg

[balmy condor]

Neigh

Immunes the damage

You should use cloak to drop the dispel puddle cause your dipshit ass healers don’t do it

[dense herald]

Mmm you can hold the bomb 30s, drop it then pick it up again with cloak and run the full intermission

[glass tulip]

tried it twice, didnt seem to work

still had the 1000% increased damage taken

[drifting cloud]

yeah lol youre just immuning pickup dmg, the dot is still gonna hurt you

[glass tulip]

20 pulls 49%

monkashake

nerfs are lame

[mossy moon]

u guys played any assa in keys? ive been doing a few keys as venth for giga boss dmg and it seems pretty fine

but im not sure if the snapshotting build is the best for m+, you guys think necro is better or?

[zinc frost]

If you don’t mind playing MFD in keys it can be decent for assa.

[mossy moon]

Hmm i was already playing MFD as venth, idk if thats int but felt kinda good

U think vigor is better?

[woeful socket]

necro ability doesnt cleave to daus cores?

[zinc frost]

Nah definitely not inting playing MFD with venth. At the end of the day you are gonna want to play assa for big boss dmg prio dmg

[glass tulip]

Night 1 we hit 2nd reclaim with deaths

[drifting cloud]

yeah youll skip it with no deaths

[oak sky]

Yep

[bleak sky]

well yeah

to solo you let the bomb almost explode on the ground, cloak and pick it up

cloak should last until the 1000% debuff is gone and then you're good

[glass tulip]

oh I understand

so it only requires a couple seconds of healing but still you need to let it sit the entire duration

yeah nah we worked it out

[bleak sky]

jank stuff not worth

[glass tulip]

he just drops for me at beginning of the run and I can carry it all the way to the 2nd room

[bleak sky]

you only need to do 1 switch in intermissions

[white gull]

!sigil

[gilded seal]

Can the charge exposure debuff be negated by cloaking before picking up a bomb before the debuff expires?

Or will you still get blasted

[glass tulip]

it does not negate the debuff

talked about it like 8 lines up when I asked too lol

[glass junco]

Be like me, watch streams and sims, know perfectly well that assa is slow as a spec, craft legendary at 291 while you dont have too much cosmic flux and u are gonna need it for something else, then go to the dummy, play some assa, and complain that the spec is slow

[white gull]

assas slow wdym

[slow marsh]

imagine thinking sin is slow anymore

[white gull]

bruh im hitting 50 apm

[oak sky]

sin is still on the slower side

[solid mica]

What bosses have ppl started extending on?

[slow marsh]

anduin

[timid cloud]

Halondrus.

Might be Anduin now though because of uhhhhhhh the nerfs.

[hybrid vale]

i always thought sub rogues were all kyrian but i noticed dat like 70% of them according to the apldata are venth

dats interesting to meman

i have to get my renown up with venth anyway for assass

im poopy necrolord

[timid cloud]

Kyrian is only really good in ST scenarios.

[hybrid vale]

love the fantasy but i dont think they are really producing high level deeps

[timid cloud]

Venthyr is a one size fits all.

[hybrid vale]

yep yep, i gotta get renown up

easy enough

40-80 is all i have to do i believe

[ebon notch]

Kyrian is night and day compared to venth

Love kyrian when I got the rotation down

[hybrid vale]

i think ima wait until i get revered with enlightened before swapping covs, no point really, need revered for all the conduits before i can raid

theres something else the zm rep gives u that i need i forget tho, maybe just the leggo dust

[ebon notch]

You can get most of the important ones from heroic raid

[hybrid vale]

this guild i got into wont take me into their ecosystem until i gear up independently

[storm belfry]

what does that even mean

[hybrid vale]

understandable i suppose, i got cutting edge twice in bfa tho thought it would mean somethin

but it don't mean diddly

[hybrid vale]

i got into a guild that's progging mythic but they're like not gonna help me get geared up at all

which is fine

[ebon notch]

That's so weird

Honestly kind of a red flag too

@bleak sky thoughts?

[hybrid vale]

i know but it was really hard getting a guild to take me in this late as is. i got desperate

been looking since i returned like for 3 weeks now

[ebon notch]

I mean were your BFA logs good?

[hybrid vale]

ya they didnt care much for it bc they didnt start raiding seriously until slands apparently

but i wasn't playing a rogue in bfa too, so maybe that might change your opinion on the matter

[ebon notch]

Nah means nothing

There are guilds out there that will respect older logs

If you can perform in current HC for example then that would make them more confident

[hybrid vale]

damn, maybe im not looking in the right places then

[ebon notch]

I would keep applying

[hybrid vale]

i was just going thru server discords and forum posts

[ebon notch]

What is your current guild gonna do? Bench you?

[hybrid vale]

well they just gave me a token invite, im not allowed to trial till i have my conduits, 265 ilvl and tier or something

alot of demands

i dont mind waiting, im actualy have alot of fun learning by looking thru logs and watching kill povs

i like to study raids alot before going at mythic, i never wanna be the guy that's a problem man

worst fear

[timid cloud]

Very strange, but understandable.

[hybrid vale]

and i'd be going in this 1 witohut having done it on heroic lol

[timid cloud]

But also, keep seeking other raid teams, because that’s just weird to me.

[hybrid vale]

i will, i kinda just was relieved someone would take me in tbh.

[ebon notch]

Never settle my guy

Know your worth

[storm belfry]

yeah thats odd if they take you and sideline you

[hybrid vale]

ikr well

they also dont want me playing assass

they want me sub

like its alot

my quick swap plan is to craft finality

and get to 80 renown on venth

rather than getting kyrian and akari

[white gull]

so many red flags for a guild lol

[hybrid vale]

i just talked to the gm he said that if i get all of my stuff together in 2 weeks they will get me da mythic slyvanis dagger

is that standard

or is he being nice

[ebon notch]

What is the guild name and region

[drifting cloud]

whats this guilds prog

[ebon notch]

Please

[drifting cloud]

your gm sounds clueless about rogues except DAGGER GOOD for sub

assa is literally at worst equal to sub on like 8 fights

its just not gonna show in logs for a bit because 95% rogues started tier as sub

[hybrid vale]

they just killed mythic anduin

today

i dont wanna get doxed, but they are a guild on area 52

[drifting cloud]

and you dont have gear? that means youre not stepping into the raid until after prog most likely

[hybrid vale]

ya 245 ilvl now

they're just giving me a chance at a chance basically

sorry if it sounded complainy i appreciate that they are