assassination

[oak sky]

I have one already

[subtle tundra]

I don't lole

[glass tulip]

1

[oak sky]

I just actually hate the fight and how our RL carries our ranged by making us all do adds

[glass tulip]

same, I have to vendetta left side twice

[oak sky]

Dude

Just dont vendetta the add

[glass tulip]

and then I got gloombolted during lust

[oak sky]

LOL

Thats cursed

[glass tulip]

I literally do not have a choice

there are 2 of us there

[oak sky]

I go to the add i just never cd

I lose half my opener

[glass tulip]

if I dont we wipe but like hey

[oak sky]

And in lust i just hold until the add is gone

[glass tulip]

boss ded so I cant complain

except it took us 12 tries for the 3rd consecutive week killing it

[oak sky]

But yeah now im gonna be begging for the bench on that fight

Honestly i had a pretty garbage reclear

Xymox i dced on what couldve been r1

Skolex idk what happened tbh

[glass tulip]

what couldve been

smh

[oak sky]

Sausage i actually dont understand how i died

Lihuvim was super cursed

So everything sucked

[slim wagon]

my assa sims behind my sub by 80 dps as theotar and 130 as nadja without being properly optimized yet, some 262 items with crit haste instead of crit vers not upgraded yet, I'm soon going to miss my double shadowstep I guess 😛

[ebon thorn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9X4GzA27e7BWtmHeWEeFkV

assa really doesnt care about EoN

oof

[brazen zodiac]

yall bitchin about extendin and shit

i just wanna be on a boss

[brazen zodiac]

better have an excuse, not an agreon "i dc" excuse!

[glass tulip]

Vendetta adds, get killed to missed kick

Ez

[brazen zodiac]

that is also

ok thats an excuse

ill take that ye

[hollow escarp]

higher than 0

[vestal wren]

yep

i mean you can in theory still dagger swap in execution

[ebon thorn]

yes

[vestal wren]

but the gain is so small that its not worth the hassle

0.3% for 1/4 of the fight

[ebon thorn]

ye not worth

[vestal wren]

compared to sub

[hollow escarp]

is that to swap EoN in main hand or offhand?

because if it's in offhand, I wouldn't see an issue swapping it with a 278/272 setup

[vestal wren]

for sub main hand, for sin offhand

[hollow escarp]

I guess it's not that hard to swap

since it's a single keybind

it's obviously easy on sub as well if you have 2 daggers

and don't swap from offhand

[vestal wren]

you would only swap on sub for mainhand

because sylvanas is bis in offhand usually

also, seems like sword does not rly work out on venthyr from some apl testings

best i could get it was to be ~0.3%, but it would not cast it always

[trim cairn]

bruh I was hyped to start socketing gear then this fucker shows up

[limber lion]

gz

[trim cairn]

feelsgoodman

[limber lion]

apparently axe is oversimming for us, so doing Sword vs Axe sims currently does not really work :P

[hollow escarp]

oversimming? 👀

[spice spire]

Yes

[vestal wren]

hmm

so back to sigil i guess

[hollow river]

On pantheon? Our melee sit on boss

[vestal wren]

does it only oversim on sin or in general

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Here

[limber lion]

#assassination message

[spice spire]

Is the whole explanation ty papa Cev

[limber lion]

damn beat me to it :P

[spice spire]

First time for everything

Last time too

[limber lion]

technically the change can cause it to oversim for other specs as well, but it's a very niche thing

Koji found it a few days ago

[vestal wren]

i missed that

[hollow escarp]

either way, got not better trinkets than 278 cache, 272 phial and 265 earthbreaker

[vestal wren]

well, i guess time to revert back to sigil

for the sim in the spreadsheet

[limber lion]

Yeah, for my profile cache gained around 0.6%

from -0.2% compared to Mythic Sigil, to +0.4%

[vestal wren]

its +0.2 or .3 for the one in the spreadsheet now, from being quite a bit behind

but i guess not rly because of oversimming

[limber lion]

Ya, sigil bis

[hollow escarp]

at least I got pantheon on my GV loot table

[strange python]

!snapshot

[hollow escarp]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[strange python]

ty

[vestal wren]

^ should work too now

[hollow river]

Same

[brazen zodiac]

u rock

[vestal wren]

i made a mistake/typo when adding the command. thats why it didn't work

[strange python]

17.7 sub??

[kindred heron]

in the execute phase, my boy

no need to panic - assa stonks still high

[vestal wren]

during execute yes

[north snow]

if youre doing lowish keys and just wanna do the most overall damage, would duskwalker still be better than zoldyks?

[strange python]

how do i import Cev's weakaura timers into the Afenar package

[vast loom]

import his

then drag them into the pack

and either delete the old ones

or just set them to never load

[strange python]

fair

[hollow river]

Duskwalkers is typically better either way

[north snow]

ok ty!

[whole mason]

is it possible to align vend, flag and euphoria together into a 70sec rotation? so that euphoria hits the second half of vend with flag

[slow marsh]

It naturally lines up pretty often

[limber lion]

I've done pretty extensive sims around forcing the sync, and it's just not worth it.

It just snowballs out of control where you're holding Flag/Vend/MFD for 10-20s everytime, which just results in lost casts

It's always better if they do sync up, and if you know that you won't lose a cast by syncing them, then you definitely want to do that.

[whole mason]

Thanks. Maybe I need to think about it thoroughly.

[onyx raptor]

quick curiosity shiv on cd or hold for vend/flag window?

[ebon notch]

socket is over 60 dps sheeeesh

here i thought i got a bad vault

[limber lion]

Use it on cooldown.

[onyx raptor]

cheers

[solid venture]

[limber lion]

[vestal wren]

oh, didn't see your ping. But as cev did point out delaying cooldowns is usually a loss and there are only few exceptions to that

[limber lion]

@strange python I've done a bunch of more sims and sending it on CD, but holding it for around 5s, is the better choice.

The Shiv alligns pretty well with every other Vendetta

[strange python]

That was my assumption

[whole mason]

My first thought would be not that much of delay. Since flag is limited to 65 sec cd. Maybe more problem at the MFD part.

[strange python]

Also we guild hunting officially after private logging

[limber lion]

You should get Shiv with every single Vendetta even by sending it on cd, but by doing this you get one more cast between the 2 Vendetta casts

Doesn't really matter if the Shiv happens in the very beginning or the last seconds of Vendetta, what matters more is the extra cast between Vendetta uses

[limber lion]

Vendetta 60s

Flagellation 60-65s

MFD 30s

Euphoria 80s

Doesn't really work

Would probably work well if Euphoria was 70s

but 80s is just wayy too much holding when our cds are 60s

[simple wadi]

does the same logic work for MFD? better to get the extra cast or better to wait for flag stacks?

[limber lion]

1/6th of CD's everytime you hold

So on a 6 minute fight you'd be losing out on one entire burst window

[limber lion]

No, you always hold MFD for Flagellation

[simple wadi]

thanks

[limber lion]

You press it with Flag and once between Flag casts

[slow marsh]

But if you're using it on cd you already have it for every flag so yeah

[vestal wren]

maybe it could be worth to hold closer to the end of the fight when you don't lose a lot

but not as a general thing

[slow marsh]

All I know is that I got a trash hero timing on halo last night and I'm sad about it

[limber lion]

Yeah, just like with every syncing logic we've had; feel free to sync cds, if you know for a fact you won't miss out on a cast doing so.

The only exception is Vend + Flag, which you can sync every single time without worry.

[limber lion]

rip

[slow marsh]

Like really who lusts at 4:30 in a fight xD

[limber lion]

Yeah that's pretty troll, not a single class in the game probs has cds there lol

Maybe there's a 90s class or a 30s class, no clue

everything seems to be either 1m, 2m or 3m

[slow marsh]

I mean I think it was just a panic lust going into p3 and nobody asked about changing lust timing

That or people were holding CDs during 2nd intermission which doesn't make sense either

[vestal wren]

sub has a 30 sec cooldown cycle

but sub rly does not gain much from it

[slow marsh]

Yeah but sub gets next to nothing from lust rjght

[vestal wren]

4:30 is perfect for 1 min 30 cycles, not sure how common they are

[slow marsh]

Should've played NF I guess

[solid venture]

nadja with DD also simming 200 dps more than theo for me now

[vestal wren]

nice

[strange silo]

did u use different gems too? that was why it fcked with my sim 😄

[solid venture]

i did a sim with and without mastery gems

the difference between those was literally 9 dps but nadjia always came out on top

[strange silo]

try without gems selected that fixed it for me if not then nadja best friend now for all things*

[solid venture]

haha yea now its theo again

weird ass fucking game

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/68C2A731ZUwZUM6jjHPgJ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hA8fmn8ou7s3kKPKpwA5ix
¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange silo]

i mean im not that smart to know why but sims did weird stuff when i tried to sim theotar+nadja+ gems too there were options to socket full mastery and if i tried only nadja + gems they werent there

[solid venture]

yea same tbh

[drowsy parcel]

you guys wanna know the giga tech i just brainstormed for rygelon

its emeni time baby

[solid venture]

just noticed i dont have wps on the lower sim so gonna check again

[drowsy parcel]

giga LBE uptime + gnashing chompers STONKS

[strange silo]

i guess rygelon mythic?

wouldnt venthyr still be stronger even with high 15% haste uptime?

[drowsy parcel]

maybe

im gonna committ to necro for my progress

[onyx raptor]

did anyone try to use iqd and sigil? and use them for different vendetta windows?

[strange silo]

meh my guild struggles with lihuvim so it will take a while till i see rygelon xd

[onyx raptor]

i feel like that should be a good combo

[drowsy parcel]

@limber lion what was your rygelon parse at

im coming for dat ass

[limber lion]

16.3k

I think you're definitely on to something with Emeni

[ebon notch]

buffing all the melee with the mainstat too

ethical

[onyx raptor]

don't you have to deal the finishing blow on an enemy for that?

[strange python]

You went necro for ryg?

[blazing pumice]

is playing sin on anduin bad?

only see one log there

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's not great

[vestal wren]

rogue on aduin is bad

[blazing pumice]

just killed halondrus

oh ok

[vestal wren]

most guilds bench their rogues on the fight

[drowsy parcel]

i just tested it, no you dont need killing blow

[vestal wren]

thats why there are few logs even on sub

[blazing pumice]

maybe doesn't matter with nerfs

[strange silo]

What exactly makes rogue bad on anduin mythic? Just need to prep that I can tell my rl bench me pls :D

[rotund oak]

speaks volumes for the state of the rogue

😛

./vanish

[hollow dirge]

simming +200 dps with elegy 278, but got another good option in vault, and elegy is not bis right? I'd replace it for mythic cache/sigil if it dropped tonight ?

[vestal wren]

idk, i wouldn't say one or two bad fights make the class bad

the main problem with rogue is that it is the most replaceable class in the game

[celest ruin]

didnt they say they were looking at adding utility for rogues

[vestal wren]

so if there is a fight you ar enot good, you can just have the rogue sit and get something strong in

[celest ruin]

some kind of dev interview on korthia iirc

[rotund oak]

would have to agree but in all honesty benching an assassination rogue or a sub rogue,idk,looks like there are classes that do stuff better,yea totally agree on replaceable

[indigo mulch]

On the level we play.. I dunno, does it matter what people play? =o

[vestal wren]

it depends, then later you progress a fight then less it matters

there is also the opinion that a good player would be never benched

but yet a lot of our top rogues are benched on the fight

[vast loom]

would you say the top rogues are also in spots where comp/class matters more? or guilds where the majority of players are "top" players

[vestal wren]

rogue is in a okay spot

we are good on many fights, but also have 2-3 not that great fights

but you need to cover the basic raid buffs/cooldowns

and rogue provides none, what makes it more a optional choice compared to others

[limber lion]

Yeah, sometimes you just don't have enough spots to bring in a rogue. Need all the warriors, dk's, enha shammys, survi's and whatnot, dropping a rogue just makes the most sense there

[vestal wren]

i wouldn't be concerned to get into a raid if you don't raid super competitive

[limber lion]

Can't really have 10 melees honestly.

[strange python]

Im also benched but bad. Dont erase us too

Do my guild apps for me? :(

[odd heath]

Ye, I'm benched on anduin prog also lol

[ebon notch]

can you guys stop showing off

about being benched on anduin

some of us are less fortunate

[hidden mica]

Remember seeing a JPC stream doing funnel damage on anduin and still ended up below the hard aoe specs on boss damage

[solid venture]

Buff rogues

[strange python]

Can I brag about being benched on everything because of kick?

[hasty siren]

!trinkets

!trink

[timid cloud]

[ebon notch]

no it just makes me sad 😦

[odd heath]

Ye, I'm not even sad tbh about being benched on anduin lol

[strange python]

I kinda hate this tier. I might just buy jailer mount and play casual till 10.0

I'm going to give assassin a try in raid tonight, I have 4 set and double leggo playing with crimson tempest, I was wondering if someone could give me the opener

[limber lion]

[timid cloud]

☝️

[strange python]

Also I should prioritize crimson tempest over envenom right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[graceful niche]

want to play assa nf so badly but this fkn venthyr is to stronk 😦

[potent dagger]

How much of dps a socket it worth ?

Arround how mucj *

got a bad vault with a max gain of 42 dps , so wondering if sockets are better 😄

[limber lion]

You can just sim the socket with Top Gear

But around 50-60 dps

[potent dagger]

Hmmmmm

how can i sim it ? Oo

[timid cloud]

Add sockets in at the enchantments section.

[hollow river]

Yes but you always need to envenom to refresh slice and dice>everything else

Even during vendetta you can let CT fall off to envenom once for slice reapp

[mystic fractal]

it's that bad to let slice fall? noted

I assume that's not major during fights w/ downtime like pantheon between sets of bosses right

then again idk why i care about parse on that fight, complete ass

[timid cloud]

Because

[mystic fractal]

75 heroic parse is good enough4me in my pleb raiding tier

[limber lion]

what

during a downtime where nothing happens and you cannot attack a boss

nothing matters

but you would want to end the phase with 5cp or high snd time so you can either refresh it when the next phase starts or continue maintaining it

[slim wagon]

for lords progress do we go venthyr or necro better?

[limber lion]

Necro everytime

[slim wagon]

still duskwalker though right?

[limber lion]

No

Zoldyck

Hold cds for swarm then use during every swarm

[hollow river]

Will that do higher overall? Or just good for prog

[slim wagon]

thanks I guess I'm recrafting my zoldyck that I had abandoned for this season

[limber lion]

Both

[hollow river]

Hmm

Just based on WCL doesn’t Venthyr look to be about the same

[limber lion]

Definitely not

[hollow river]

Or am I mixing up bosses

[limber lion]

WCL is not a great metric

[hollow river]

I was looking at every boss last night

Cev we aren’t all like you okay

We can’t all do the same damage as our sims

And I thought Rygelon was a necro angle

Because of Kevin uptime

[limber lion]

Practice makes perfect, you'll get there!

[limber lion]

Rygelon is a toughie, it definitely needs a bit more time and kills to see which one comes out on top

[hollow river]

Logs are 100% venth

[limber lion]

Emeni is an interesting pick as well because you'll pretty much get 15% haste for free with a high uptime

And LBE is great with resets

[slim wagon]

given the new light on cache sims, how do I adjust my knowledge with sims? I got some trinkets but if I cant trust cache sims?

[hollow river]

I think cache is over simming

Isn’t it?

[limber lion]

Cache is simming like 0.3-0.4% higher.

But it's still a decent trinket all things considered

Sigil/IQD at similar ilvl will beat it

[slim wagon]

got sigil 265, shadowgrasp 278 and iqd 262 (no valor to upgrade) I guess I stay with cache since it sims like 1.6% higher on 2 targets

thanks for your help

[limber lion]

Yep, gl

[slim wagon]

thanks, well they got to finish off anduin first, I'm just doing my prep 😛

[limber lion]

Oh you're specifically thinking about trinkets for Lords?

I would just use Sigil, you get 2 uses out of it and the boss dies soon after the second one.

It's definitely the best trinket for that fight

[slim wagon]

ye, I dont think I'll play assa for more progress, I'm more comfortable with sub atm

[vestal wren]

you can play deathly on sub

[hollow river]

[vestal wren]

vanish cooldown wotks decently well for the burst phases

[thorn fjord]

Mythic Bells keeps coming up as my best option with Cache right now... Are sims broken for Bells currently?

[hollow river]

Nope sims just have 100% uptime and a somewhat fixed timer

[limber lion]

Wouldn't be surprised if Bells is oversimming as well because of the change

[hollow river]

Bells is decent but can be troll

[hollow river]

What exactly changed?

I read something about DK theory crafters submitted something?

[limber lion]

It was a change to how the simulationcraft robot works. The previous version was causing some issues for DK sims, so it was changed to reflect that, which caused the trinkets to not work well.

Koji has already reported it and will issue a fix shortly himself if it doesn't get fixed.

[kindred rapids]

Decided to just stay venthyr for pantheon and did way better

[fleet anchor]

Nah really doesn't matter for Bells

But Bells honestly sucks

It's probably the closest thing to "sim bait" that we've had in recent memory if only because the target has to survive and not wipe their debuffs for the entire ramp time, which actually isn't really the case on a great many bosses given the short debuff duration.

[spice spire]

Koji “sim bait” Yama

[fleet anchor]

I absolutely hate that term, but in the case of Bells it's probably correct 😛

Bells has some fights where it will literally do 0 damage

[spice spire]

Yeah I know, it’s pretty funny even seeing you call something sim bait

[fleet anchor]

And it's highly likely to do essentially nothing in dungeons

[spice spire]

But yeah, bells is not good, and not on an “I hate GCB” basis. It’s legitimately just

[fleet anchor]

I think if Bells was exceptional at what it did, there would be some argument

Like if was simming absolute best ST trinket, I could kinda see a debate about the value

But it's actually somewhat mediocre even in the best case, which makes it more or less useless

Because best case is basically just as good as half the other trinkets that are totally reliable

And the worst case it does 0% damage

At the same ilevel it sims about the same as Elegy which is just a stat stick so

[loud light]

Looking at logs from yesterday and it looks like the 2p bug was fixed at least on NA realms? Just filtered rankings for logs with 2 sin rogues from US realms yesterday and saw this for example https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D6hA21rQmRfP7TM4#fight=6&type=auras&spells=debuffs&by=target&ability=364668

last week there would never be an overlap

[fleet anchor]

Yeah that looks fixed. Awesome!

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

I edited the pin :(

[ebon notch]

[ebon notch]

nobody reads the pins

[loud light]

I searched the channel first to see if anybody had already mentioned it

if a pin is edited in the woods and nobody reads it was it ever really edited at all

[limber lion]

Ah, no

as in

I edited the pin but Whispyr deleted it

[loud light]

aha

[limber lion]

after you mentioned it

[balmy condor]

I mean bug fix pin delete yeah?

[limber lion]

yeah and get bombarded with "is shiv bug fixed?"

"shiv still bugged?"

[spice spire]

Is shiv still bugged?!?!?!

[balmy condor]

Idk this bug was pretty obscure and short lived in the grand scheme

I don’t think it’ll be that bad

[lethal mortar]

anyone know if shiv stil bugged?

[timid cloud]

I think it was important for our class because of how we scale.

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

[thorn fjord]

@fleet anchor yeah man i hate Bells... literally gotten it in my Mythic chest 3 times which is super annoying and it keeps simming super high... in a 4-5 minute fight it usually only procs twice doing about 120-130k dmg

[timid cloud]

...Shiv bugged still?

[thorn fjord]

Axe Cache usually averages way more dmg

[balmy condor]

Back onto the block list mr bread

[spice spire]

Delete this rn nephew

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

LOL

[lilac sparrow]

In vendatta, pandemic go half also? like 3.6 for rupture and 2.7 for garrot?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-gif-22588065

[winter vapor]

hrm, cache is simming higher than belt vault option, do I really want 2 on use trinkets? :/ https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dCzjEYMstFEJQrgwPFNtuD

[strange python]

This makes me so fucking sad

[balmy condor]

Bug fixes make you sad?

[strange python]

Yes

Me and our other rogue debated ways to make double sin work on rygelon, but now that was all pointless.

[balmy condor]

Well yeah, cause now you can do it

[strange python]

And I wasted valor on sub gear

Before I failed the trial we couldve (:

[balmy condor]

That seems a bit extreme

[strange python]

I hate sub :(

[balmy condor]

Yeah but like you didn’t have to valor shit for it right

[strange python]

I was trying to be a good trial still

[rotund oak]

New POE league May 13th!

[balmy condor]

!!!!

TRUE

[rotund oak]

Imma gonna play

❤️

[balmy condor]

[serene shell]

!opener

[balmy condor]

Check the faq

[gusty mirage]

!cevsonlyfans

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Most of the best combos are double on use this tier

[slow marsh]

Does anyone know if shiv is still bugged? Asking for a friend since they want to play sin for lords with me

[spice spire]

[steel ridge]

is it just me or is grudge match bug fixed?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it makes you delete your rogue

The only fix is deleting your rogue first

And then throwing your computer out of the window

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

[slow marsh]

careful i might do it

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

Me too man…. Me too

[slow marsh]

im just trying to cruise the rest of the tier out and chill

[timid cloud]

If I have to Vendetta schematic adds one more time…

I’m playing Outlaw.

[slow marsh]

i have to do that tomorrow

was hoping to be in for desausage and get an axe and yolo play outlaw for that exact reason

[gusty mirage]

Just take the L, I’ve accepted lihuvim is my forever grey parse

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

“Oxi hold everything for synthesize”

[timid cloud]

[tiny parrot]

we still refresh crimson tempest in ST with 4pc?

[timid cloud]

Yes.

[slow marsh]

sir this isn't #pvp

[fleet anchor]

I mean this is somewhat why Shiv 2pc was nerfed by half in PvP this week 😛

[thorn lynx]

There are other colors for parses?

[stark pier]

hey..the cache of aq trinket...should i try to get haste?

[limber lion]

No, just use Axe everytime

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[trim cairn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[kindred rapids]

we're killing two adds on the first and second synthesize and I'm holding cds for both

probably should give up on parsing as well

[fading mason]

is there a way to sim dps for hallondrus

[spice spire]

auto_attacks_always_land=1

That’s the line for it

[potent dagger]

the bug seems to have been fixed

on raid with another assasination

no bugs on log

[fading mason]

thx

[serene shell]

is double on-use trinkets playable?

cache/countermeasure

or just slap phial in there and call it a day?

[indigo totem]

Double on use is a thing this tier

[obtuse robin]

i assume cache is not yet fixed?

[solid venture]

15.8k deeps on first hallyD kill not bad

[trim cairn]

Jesus

[solid venture]

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[limber lion]

Grats!

Isn't the r1 log 16.1k though

[solid venture]

yeah just noticed

idk why the log is 100 then

[limber lion]

Ez r1's

[solid venture]

it is what it is

[limber lion]

we take em

[solid venture]

private loggin anyway

[fleet anchor]

Private logs just always show 100 to keep people happy. That explains Cev always being R1.

[solid venture]

sneaky tier3 sub to wcl for ez r1's

[fleet anchor]

lol

"Virtual external bonus tier"
"Under this subscription tier, we apply modifications to your damage to simulate externals being cast on your character."

[solid venture]

only 37 public assa parses on hallyd though

dead spec

[patent quartz]

is shiv bug still present?

[spice spire]

No

It is Fixed

[patent quartz]

pohhh when

[spice spire]

Today

[raven knoll]

Hey, how big of a difference is having 2set and not in m+?

[slow marsh]

over 69

at least

[hollow river]

It felt like 47 to me

[raven knoll]

interesting

[strange python]

Seven

[spice spire]

Don’t play dumb guys

It’s at least 100

[raven knoll]

Mom come pick me up I'm scared

[fading wigeon]

The difference is about 234.98563

[brazen zodiac]

really? i thought it was 3.1415926535

[proper tapir]

I came on to see if the shiv bug was fixed and I looked in the pins where Cev posted about it before but that post is gone now. Editing the pin would have been better than deleting it.

[polar sinew]

is it right to put the trinket from xymox on macr with vendetta or we always prefer to use the DoT ? even if we have to wait a certain time to trigger it

[zinc frost]

Just use axe

[polar sinew]

k ty

[balmy condor]

[polar sinew]

is it better to vendetta + pot or axe + pot in this case ?

[balmy condor]

vendetta pot always

[polar sinew]

k ty

[viscid spear]

Whispyr did it to 'em

[balmy condor]

I mean to me it's pretty easy: bug -> pin, bug fixed -> no pin

eventually the pin's gotta go anyway

[limber lion]

Yeah, I give it 48 hours

then it's gonezo

[balmy condor]

I mean sure

but then people show up like end of their raid week

and they go

where pin

it's the same thing

[zinc frost]

“The pins gone, is the bug unfixed”

[balmy condor]

idk

I guess I'm the weirdo

but it feels giga logic that no pin = no bug

idk how no pin is confusing to whether bug is there or not

like if the bug still exists and nothings changed

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[balmy condor]

then the pin is still there

[proper tapir]

👍

[frigid kestrel]

Doesn’t matter, in two days with pin still up I reckon you will still get a

“Did they fix that bug?”

[balmy condor]

yeah idk

it's just lose lose lose situation

[brazen zodiac]

extra lose tbh

[drifting cloud]

delete all pins

no bugs

[fervent beacon]

Did they fix the bug?

[balmy condor]

name says deaf, change it to blind maybe

[fervent beacon]

I just picked up my rogue after playing hpally and mw for heal progress in sod/sof

[balmy condor]

you mean your rouge

[fervent beacon]

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

Shadowstrike go BRRR

[spare crow]

Ceverion how do u handle cds on Lords?

do u ALWAYS keep and use vendetta for the swarm phase?

[glass tulip]

Since zoldycks is the preferred legendary you get your vendettas 2 mins apart still, which is available for every swarm

[spare crow]

yup

[glass tulip]

And if you lust in execute, goes brrrr

[strange python]

Necro or venthyr for ryg

[spare crow]

so it's preferred to lust at the last swarm phase

ok

[whole mason]

So, one bug after another? Or no bug on shiv now?

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna commit a hate crime

[glass tulip]

Bug gone

[whole mason]

Great!

[limber lion]

Nah, lust the first swarm. Use cds with every swarm.

Necro/Zoldyck

Potion/Sigil on the first swarm with lust and cds

[strange python]

Cev. Rygelon cov?

Marileth for oozes? Or venth because it's mostly st?

[balmy condor]

venth

[strange python]

Ty Orange cev ❤️

[balmy condor]

rogue damage on the tiny bois doesn't matter

kinda sad

:(

boss pumper class

[strange python]

But could the quasars be used to get phat resets

And ooze uptimes

[halcyon zealot]

i’m pretty sure mfd resets are scary rn are they not? cuz you wanna make sure it’s definitely up for flag and vend

[balmy condor]

yeh you could but that sort of funnel doesn't end up actually being too useful in terms of damage

and with venth you have mfd like rozay said

which is a similar thing

[strange python]

I was thinking sbs funnel not mfd. Mfd resets are easy

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

But what if I hate venth

[balmy condor]

then feel free to play necro or fae

[strange python]

I wanna do the most damage possible. But I don't like venth

[balmy condor]

the funnel from necro + ooze probably makes up for the difference to fae

[strange python]

Instructions unclear. Am warlock now

[balmy condor]

but fae can also abuse korayn on the quasars

so idk

[halcyon zealot]

oooh my brain is trained to see reset and think mfd >.>

[balmy condor]

I'd probably go necro over fae

[mortal pike]

Quick someone make a compelling argument for me to not be sat on mythic andy

[bleak sky]

enjoy the sitting

[torn atlas]

Break your other guild members fingers and hope they can't play with their feet?

[red plaza]

Damage doesn’t matter I can do the best mechanics?

[hollow river]

Not on a boss like Rygelon

[brazen zodiac]

i think if you pay them they'll keep you

[hollow river]

If adds don’t die then you wipe anyway so

[mortal pike]

hmm

[hollow river]

I’m being sat for Anduin too

There is no argument

[oak sky]

"better player"

[hollow river]

Nah

Even a shit Hunter or dk > a good rogue on that boss

[mortal pike]

:C

I am

THE BEST PLAYER

[ebon notch]

you say that but

if they cant do blasphemy

[mortal pike]

its okay ima wait till someones choking mechanics

and slander them

[ebon notch]

you wont get out of p1

[red plaza]

Quick someone post blasphemy monkey

[ebon notch]

[halcyon zealot]

this is true lol

[ebon notch]

bruh i was doing almost 500k on the adds with just CT

i trolled so hard

didnt realise how much i was doing

500k on one set btw

[hollow river]

Can’t be that hard tbh

[ebon notch]

you have to unlearn heroic

[hollow river]

We’ve already gone over the strat and we’re still on Halondrus

Doesn’t seem that bad

[glass tulip]

good thing our guild is garbage at heroic strat

not much to unlearn

[bleak sky]

heroic strat: 1 phase him and ignore mechanics

[ebon notch]

TRUE

[gentle dirge]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[brazen zodiac]

sirstabsalot more like sirgetsparriedalot

or i that just me fk parry mechanic

@strange python where r u

im stealing ur name

[strange python]

Do it u won't

[brazen zodiac]

maamstabsalot

cuz woman

[balmy condor]

Sassystabsalot

Because you a bitch

[brazen zodiac]

a badbttch

[balmy condor]

TRUE

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

You a badbttch too

[ebon notch]

ty

[brazen zodiac]

u all badbttches

tbh

[viscid spear]

[brazen zodiac]

looks like my goblin

[balmy condor]

@spice spire get your mans

[viscid spear]

Rygelon & Lords prog tonight, so we busy

[brazen zodiac]

no keep him here i like his butt

[balmy condor]

[civic trellis]

why assa does lose more dps than sub in long fights?

i mean simming assa vs sub 5 min and assa vs sub 10 min

[brazen zodiac]

id guess cuz probs perma uptime with poison/bleeds/etc? no idea?1?! :D

[civic trellis]

Uhm tbh I don't see why, shouldnt be an issue

I thought assa profile would be more stable than sub profile

[balmy condor]

Sub is one of the most stable profiles in the game

Actually 0 burst

Sin is burst every minute

Much higher spikes

[civic trellis]

Uhm I see, so could be a timing thing?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[civic trellis]

Makes sense thanks

[spice spire]

-20 dkp

[hybrid vale]

Assa is great with lots of haste

Otherwise I sit there, waiting for the yellow bar to do the right thing

[viscid spear]

[brazen zodiac]

ur so cute

wtf

[mortal pike]

you know im surprised badge isnt better for venth assa

[hybrid vale]

the 9.1 version of toxic onslaught would have made the covenant package overall more appealing

[civic trellis]

wdym

[hybrid vale]

i hate that it gives u all the good buffs after sepsis expires

it used to do it when u casted the stealth ability

[ebon notch]

hes taken back off

[hybrid vale]

honestly im playing with the covenant cause i like fuckin around with these kinds of things and the legendary kinda is poo

[brazen zodiac]

ur cute too

[ebon notch]

bruh what erryone so inclusive today

[hybrid vale]

wait how do venthyr peeps get the first sigil trinket to proc without casting door of shadows

im looking at a log

is there a trick of some kind

[balmy condor]

what?

it's an on-use

you press it and it gives you giga vers

[hybrid vale]

oh wait i thought that trinket activated when u used ur cov signature ability

ah gain the power

wat does it do to door of shadows

make it instant cast or reset cd or something?

[balmy condor]

it resets the cd

[hybrid vale]

ah ok

well that's somewhat nice

vers is better

good combo

[hollow escarp]

necrolord is the only covenant where the trinket starts casting the ability

[balmy condor]

I honestly almost forgot it has a door of shadows thing

[hybrid vale]

i thought u had to cast your signature ability to get the vers that would be difficult haha

[oak sky]

still dont understand why tbh

[hollow escarp]

probably because marileth and emeni

[viscid spear]

[hollow escarp]

since you want fleshcraft off cd with those soulbinds

[hybrid vale]

so the combo venth rogue do for vendetta with mfd and crimson tempest that combo you'd still use with any other cov to maximize the 4set as well or is there some special property with flagellation

i dont hav the 4 set yet

[balmy condor]

flag gives haste

which is why there's weirdness

other covs are subterfuge/deeper

they still refresh bleeds towards the end of vendetta for the overhang

but everything else is venth stuff

[hybrid vale]

looks like you flag=>mfd=> crimson=> vendetta=>shiv=>reapply crimson tempest every 10 seconds => reapply all bleeds right before vendetta expires

from these logs

[hollow escarp]

flag rupture mfd crimson

[balmy condor]

if only

there was like

a helpful graphical aid

for this rotation

[hollow escarp]

[hybrid vale]

ya rupture too

[balmy condor]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/Oz6ewYfuUnp6i_9pyzPJY1hX3RnG2M2IWagjfvvhG3k/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/967679427301507082/vendetta_timings.png

[brazen zodiac]

whats that im blind

are those ruptures next to mutilate

[twilit hollow]

nobody reads FAQs whispyr

[brazen zodiac]

i do

[hybrid vale]

im not a visual learner man

[brazen zodiac]

just for whisps sake tbh

[hybrid vale]

im special

ow2 beta time woo

wait why are. u vanishing without subterfuge

for ambush or what

[balmy condor]

I was about to kill someone earlier because we had a pin about the shiv bug, but it got fixed, so I removed the pin, and then someone came in and was like "Why would you remove the pin it would've been better to edit it", so I put the edited pin back, and within 5 minutes of putting the pin back, someone asked if the bug got fixed

[twilit hollow]

master assassin?

[balmy condor]

and I was about to blow up

[hybrid vale]

ahhh

[twilit hollow]

???

[hybrid vale]

i dont fuck with thta talent yet

[brazen zodiac]

at what point do you ban them

im curious

[hybrid vale]

ive never used that one b4

[hollow escarp]

so you haven't played assa

[twilit hollow]

@balmy condor LMFAO

[hollow escarp]

in a while

[hybrid vale]

i just play nectolord right now

[balmy condor]

was a different person

[brazen zodiac]

seems like a very long time

[hybrid vale]

im gearing still

[balmy condor]

like

actually just clueless

[brazen zodiac]

at what point do you delete ur discord account

actually

[balmy condor]

when I quit the game

so 10.1

[brazen zodiac]

Deleted User 29848291

[balmy condor]

imagine I delete my account

[hollow escarp]

actually Deleted User 167090536602140682

[balmy condor]

a quarter of a million Deleted user messages

[zinc frost]

sad rogue noises

[twilit hollow]

delete ur account for next april fools

[dense herald]

anyone actully excited for raids + in 9.2.5

[oak sky]

i want the ports

[balmy condor]

we already had an idea for the next april fools

gonna be sick

[hybrid vale]

i probably won't ever go venth tbh, if i ever get to do end game content (still honored with enlightened) it'll probably be keys

[twilit hollow]

[hollow escarp]

necro is fine for keys

well, as fine can assa be in keys

[hybrid vale]

ya thats what i heard

but learning about what the raiding rogues do is good

for me at least

[balmy condor]

we're all turning into anime gods

[twilit hollow]

who me?

[hollow river]

crab dead

[hollow escarp]

grats

[hollow river]

got trinky

[twilit hollow]

large

[hollow river]

[hollow escarp]

nice

I got halondrus legs in vault

[oak sky]

bro imagine my guild kills crab in less pulls than lihuvim

[hollow river]

now i get to sit for 2 weeks 🙂 🙂 🙂

[hollow escarp]

no vaults until june

only m+

[hollow river]

[hollow escarp]

I might ask if I can pug during anduin prog

[oak sky]

pug what

like heroic

[hollow escarp]

first 2 bosses on mythic

[oak sky]

nice

[polar timber]

do we go sword in lust still?

or just do either sword or axe and just get it on cd

[hollow escarp]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[proper tapir]

I'm sorry to hear that that happened to you =(

[viscid spear]

Whispyr lives off anger.

[drifting cloud]

ash blue

[balmy condor]

it's fine, just a constant reminder that none of our pins and faq's get read anyway

[dim finch]

i refuse to use CT in St... i just want to spam Envenom

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/90s-music-songs-im-blue-blue-gif-13940135

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

The server blue me

[bleak sky]

disgusting sub player

[viscid spear]

You dropped these 👓

[brazen zodiac]

and these 🩰

[hollow river]

everyone

i think its time

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2H2jaGhgRSrG6dM83UmYRp

[viscid spear]

I found a nut

[hollow river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qSeuTYBFAr6ZUfnXKGfPi2

and i just got lihuvim ring to add to sin

[bleak sky]

[viscid spear]

So unused? Got it

[bleak sky]

yes

[hollow river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s6QyW7qydMhGrjkdvbmEQ6

still 100 dps behind sub

[bleak sky]

100 dps call it margin of error

[viscid spear]

I'm enjoying Sub

[hollow river]

im enjoying sub as well

but i'd like to juggle both

i need a better raidbots sub to sim leggo slots

[noble umbra]

how long is it ok to hold shiv for to line with vandetta flag?

or shud i hold other 2 for shiv

[hollow river]

i believe we no longer hold shiv for flag/vendetta as venthyr

you just send shiv on CD and it roughly lines up anyway, but yeah

i remember Cev saying something about that

[glass tulip]

6/11 gamers

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-dance-sepulcher-crab-rave-gif-25113266

its time

[glass tulip]

@hollow river did clearing melee motes and rdps motes to walls, only took 3 tries in lust phase

[hexed root]

grats man

[spice spire]

Demonic

[timid cloud]

That fight is insanely easy now.

Let’s get this bread, my brother.

Some might say, we might ninja it.

[balmy condor]

you say that but we spent all of tuesday wiping on it

[gusty mirage]

you'll get it tomorrow

like 110% chance you kill it

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean we wiped with 70k hp

It’s free

[glass tulip]

have you guys seen the destro warlock copypasta

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[balmy condor]

yes

many times

[timid cloud]

I’ve used it a lot lol.

I love it.

[glass tulip]

I just did for the first time, high quality

[balmy condor]

2k io (2000 [two thousand])

[glass tulip]

(3 [three] second cast btw [by the way])

[jagged bobcat]

ay i dont see it in the pins

what leggo and item do i run

duskwalker ring?

[timid cloud]

I used my Elvui on Crab today extended debuff mode to make sure I had that Grudge Match with 2 Rogues in today.

It’s in the FAQ, or it should be. Meown.

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

[glass tulip]

[timid cloud]

GET THAT FUCKING SCHMONEY!

[glass tulip]

a fellow evoker discord enjoyer I see

[balmy condor]

maybe we should capitalize the faq channel names

what do you guys think

[glass tulip]

does that help if I keep the tab minimized

[balmy condor]

maybe I just send a message and then insta delete it

[timid cloud]

ravenholdt discord assassination faq -> Ravenholdt Discord Assassination F.A.Q

[balmy condor]

so everyone checks it

[glass tulip]

our frost dk trial parsed a 0 on lihuv today without dying

[balmy condor]

to minimize it

[glass tulip]

[timid cloud]

That’s how more people will see it.

[balmy condor]

you know what

actually gonna do that

[timid cloud]

LOL

[balmy condor]

now everyone has to clear the message

[glass tulip]

but it isnt capitalized

[timid cloud]

[glass tulip]

[balmy condor]

(that's the joke [you can't capitalize channel names] {it's a discord feature}])

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

halondrus is so fun

[timid cloud]

It’s growing on me.

[oak sky]

being a bomb is sick too

i had a last second grab and im like

shit

[timid cloud]

(It might be the Stockholm Syndrome)

[oak sky]

i couldve wiped the raid

but i didnt

[timid cloud]

Did you just triple layer that…?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

It’s advanced

[timid cloud]

I just had to go back & re-read it.

[oak sky]

im buddied with the monk its so goated he can carry intermission bomb so hard

[timid cloud]

LOL

With Flying Serpent Kick?

[oak sky]

and rolls

we're pretty clean tbh

[glass tulip]

I am trying to make our warrior my partner

let him heroic leap his ass up to the front

[oak sky]

my monk is so ethical dude its great

he knows his place

being the homie

[timid cloud]

“I’m gonna do no fucking boss damage, because my 100 parse is everyone else’s single digit grey parse, I just want to move onto the next boss.”

[oak sky]

he wasnt even gonna be in but his burst helps us push without first reclaim

[timid cloud]

We got a solid night of prog after roboto, & it was at 52%, but we had like 30s on Reclaim…for P2 I think.

I’m still sweatin’.

[oak sky]

we've had a few pulls go into 2nd intermission

3 or 4

so thats where we're at

[fleet anchor]

@balmy condor @limber lion I did surgery on SimC tonight and Cache should be back to normal after the nightly in an hour or so.

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

Open heart surgery from kojesusyama

[timid cloud]

The 278 cache for me was only simming a little bit higher from the 265 Sigil

[oak sky]

not playing cache

[solid mica]

Yuge

[fleet anchor]

Also ended up finding some funny things for Frost DK TCers where what they thought was a SimC bug is actually a game bug so that's neat 😛

Turns out they actually DON'T have some way of proc'ing certain things due to how Frost is set up lol

[glass tulip]

2 vault slots this week better be sigil or iqd

[bleak sky]

2 slots?

my brother in christ go run keys

[oak sky]

im gonna be a 3 slotter unless we kill halondrus

[glass tulip]

I meant m vault slots

I'll have 3 m+, keys are always a weekend activity

[rotund oak]

Hey hey Koji ma dude,Ram said he tested avoidance cap with u and its not hardcapped at 20% just DR's(asked several ppl just need to get it out of my system asking u as well 😛 )is that true?

[fleet anchor]

It is true yes afaik

[rotund oak]

roger 👌

[hollow river]

lets gooo

[glass tulip]

yep, with essentially brand new comp and starting from 0 took 23 pulls

but because of the shenanigans in P1 last week was more like 70

[balmy condor]

blame the sim

it's not the game

it's these sims

undervaluing the crazy frost DK meta

(it's not a warlock or a mage or a boomkin)

[glass tulip]

you want to see crazy undervalued meta? I'll show you

lihuvim kill

[balmy condor]

0 parse without a death

is quite impressive

I dc'd on a xymox kill during first intermission, got ressed for p3 and then died to the nasty ring overlap

and still parsed a 6

[rotund oak]

How do u parse 0 being still alive

thats a first one

[glass tulip]

I don't know man, I do not know

maybe he was ultra ethical and didnt touch degen adds for our warlocks/SVs

[rotund oak]

hahahaha

[balmy condor]

he was so ethical he just did protoform damage and that's it

[gusty mirage]

just kill the boss

[oak sky]

Hope so

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

31.8% to zero easy

monday is the day

[hollow river]

bro

im pretty sure i could sneeze on my keyboard with 1 legendary on frost dk

and parse at least a 9

[glass tulip]

yeah I don't think he is continuing with us lol

so anyone with a real hot DH can join our team 👀

[oak sky]

Minalba

[glass tulip]

exactly my thought

[oak sky]

Hes not playing it tho

[hollow river]

what days do you raid

[oak sky]

I dont think

[glass tulip]

DoMS more like dead on my server

[hollow river]

i'd level one if we don't overlap

[oak sky]

F dh bro

[glass tulip]

we exactly overlap

actually 1 hour apart

[hollow river]

oh

[glass tulip]

8:45-12 EST

t/w/th

[hollow river]

why

[oak sky]

Boring

[hollow river]

but you press sinful brand

[bleak sky]

depressing gameplay

[hollow river]

at the beginning of the fight

1 time

[bleak sky]

extend brand

[glass tulip]

an ability that if slice and dice came from a covenant

pog

[oak sky]

Havoc is a mid ass spec

[hollow river]

i kinda regret not farming cos ring now

but meh

[glass tulip]

we need the raid buff bro

L

[bleak sky]

dhless raid

[glass tulip]

not dhless

[oak sky]

Our tank is playing dh for halondrus

[glass tulip]

just shit dh

[hollow river]

no pally?

[glass tulip]

no pally

[balmy condor]

Raidless DH