assassination

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion do you snipe mfd on rygelon?

or just tunnel

pewpewpew

pawpawpaw

[oak sky]

Is there any reason not to snipe

[limber lion]

resets

[oak sky]

Like in opener you probably cant

[limber lion]

I got around 8 resets throughout the fight

on our kill

Just trying to snipe on add per wave

[subtle tundra]

not like ill be able to do it lole, im not home so ill play on scuffed setup

[limber lion]

instead of trying to snipe the lowest hp everytime and doing mfd finish mfd finish mfd finish mfd finish

[oak sky]

My favorite shit on sylv was getting lucky and sniping all 5 arrows in a clump

[subtle tundra]

ill prog rygelon during party

[limber lion]

monka

[limber lion]

but yeah, it's fine not to

if it's scuffed

dw

[subtle tundra]

[white gull]

@limber lion thanks for the response!

[subtle tundra]

wtf was the pandemic for ct

🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓

[tame sigil]

Is there any reason people go Venthyr over NF even though the top DPS seems to be a NF SIM? I'm hazarding a guess that Venthyr works better for anything that isn't a 100% patchwork fight?

[glass tulip]

Assassination
-> Deeper Strategem is only talented on non-Venthyr convenants
-> Bleed overhangs are only relevant on Venthyr covenant due to Flagellation's haste snapshot tech
-> Garrote is a builder, not a spender so it is unchanged by Deeper Strategem

5 CP casts
Garrote -> 18s
Rupture -> 24s
Crimson -> 12s

5 CP Pandemic timers (Last 30% of max timer)
Garrote -> 5.4s
Rupture -> 7.2s
Crimson -> 3.6s

5 CP Pandemic timers (4 set bonus) (Vendetta aura/debuff trigger active, cuts normal pandemic in half)
Garrote -> 2.7s
Rupture -> 3.6s
Crimson -> 1.8s

Maximum 5 CP Bleed Overhang (Time since Vendetta aura/debuff trigger active)
Garrote -> 11.7s
Rupture -> 15.6s
Crimson -> 7.8s

6 CP Casts (Deeper Strat Talented)
Rupture -> 28s
Crimson -> 14s

6 CP Pandemic Timer (Deeper Strat Talented, Last 30% of max timer)
Rupture -> 8.4s
Crimson -> 4.2s

6 CP Pandemic timers (4 set bonus) (Deeper Strat Talented, Vendetta aura/debuff trigger active, cuts normal pandemic in half)
Rupture -> 4.2s
Crimson -> 2.1s

@subtle tundra You asked for this

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[vestal wren]

thats quite a wall of text

[glass tulip]

I just had it saved from an earlier conversation

[limber lion]

Venthyr is 600 dps better than Night Fae

You should just play Venthyr

Not sure where you read that NF is better, it's definitely not

Would recommend that you read the pins, the #assassination-faq and take a look at https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

If you're looking at the Simulationcraft chart, the new profiles have not been updated yet.

Koji sent them in yesterday afaik, so they should be up in a few days

The outdated Assa profile sims for 16.5k, whereas our current profile as Venthyr is 17 250 dps

[tame sigil]

Oh wtf, yesterday it had Dreamweaver just above Nadija... Maybe I was looking at an out of date one

Or I was too high

Idk

I'll faff with the Venthyr one , not really vibing with Sub too much

[glass tulip]

whispyr has been actively updating the faq and guides over the past weekend

so chances are you checked it right before it was new info

[tame sigil]

Yeah probably, I thought maybe it was out of date or a purely ST thing. Any good guide videos? The whole 'snapshotting' thing sounds scarier to me than it probably is

I hear 'snapshot' and think of pogger feral druids from back in the day

[limber lion]

No video guides as of yet, but the pins have all the information you need

as well as !snapshot

!snapshot

!snapshotting

[tame sigil]

:v

[limber lion]

You don't really have to think about the snapshotting thing at all

It's just a thing that happens naturally

Just follow the rotation and the rules in the pins and you're good

[tame sigil]

I see... Haven't played Assa since the exang bleed build in BFA

Which was super cool, I hear this one actually makes you feel like a dot class

[limber lion]

Yeah, you rarely press Envenom with the new tier set

You spend much more time reapplying bleeds and focusing on their uptime

Envenom is a garbage filler ability, this is how the spec should play in the future as well

[tame sigil]

That sounds pretty cool, will be a nice change from sub/outlaw for me :)

[limber lion]

Maybe not with the exsanguinate effect on 4p, but having much more emphasis on bleeds/poisons as a dot spec is a good thing

Yup for sure

[tame sigil]

Yeah much better class fantasy

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[limber lion]

oh okay that works

ok ok ok ok nicenice

[tame sigil]

Does that basically mean apply bleeds when you have your haste buff from flag?

[violet hemlock]

yes but the snapshoting only happens during vendetta

[limber lion]

No

We follow normal pandemic rules for bleed reapplication, we don't reapply bleeds just to take advantage of the haste buff

But what you want to do, is reapply bleeds toward the end of Vendetta to take full advantage of the overhang from the 4pc, which also allows you to snapshot haste at the same time.

That is the only time when we want to forcefully reapply bleeds earlier than intended.

[tame sigil]

Ooh right its an interaction with the 4pc... It would probably help if I read what the 4pc does for Assa would probably paint a clearer picture 😂

Is it worth just macroing Vendetta and flag together or are there times you can get a Vendetta/flag in between each others CD?

[limber lion]

Again

[tame sigil]

Sorry if I worded thats confusing I have a killer headache

[limber lion]

I would recommend that you read the pins and faq through first

They will answer any and probably all questions you have

We never press Flag/Vend at the same time, so no, you would not want to macro them together.

[tame sigil]

Okay I will have a good read!

[regal cloud]

Does tier set + exang stack?

[violet hemlock]

Cev is the note whysper added about iqd gaining value with venth mean I wanna iqd on the flag cast and bically hope for haste?

[abstract flicker]

is iqd not giving u ur highest stat? that would be crit for me or am i wrong`?

[violet hemlock]

it gives one of ur 2 highest

thats how it has always worked

[abstract flicker]

ok never used it before 😄

[limber lion]

You want crit as your highest stat as Venthyr so you get it guaranteed during lust.

Crit/Haste as highest, crit being the higher one

[violet hemlock]

aah its for more cp duringt flag gotcha

[limber lion]

More crit = more combo points = more finishers

yeah

[violet hemlock]

I assume its just used every 3rd flag on the flag cast

or whenever its up as long as the 12s of flag land in iqd

[hollow escarp]

trying to fill my vault with 6 options in case I pick sockets and can't even beat Cev's 1 leggo log

[violet hemlock]

lol

dont u only need 3 for sockets

since its 2 per slot caps at 6

[glass tulip]

^^

[limber lion]

oh shit

good thing you mentioned that

I guess I need to play my rogue a bit

[glass tulip]

weekly no leaver 15 + half of pug raid

[spice spire]

Man’s too deep in the numbers

[dark token]

Easier just to give formulas imo and use formula in WA to light up or change color of the timer when it's in pandemic range based on ur current cp. Like pandemic timer for rupture is 0.3(4 + 4*cp)

Memorizing arbitrary numbers is dumb

[hollow escarp]

yeah, I already picked socket 2 times, might as well be ready for a 3rd

nvm, only picked it once, the first 6 tokens were from last vault in SoD

[viscid spear]

🪜

[exotic rose]

Hey @limber lion, do we apply CT during shiv with this new build on pins?

[limber lion]

Yes

[exotic rose]

Awesome, ty!

[limber lion]

maintain always

np :)

[exotic rose]

Ah, by any chance do you also know any WA pack that shows when garrote or rupture were applied during vendetta so we don't refresh it until it expires?

[proper tapir]

Are we recommending Nadjia for raid now? Theo Sims higher for me even without haste tea.

[hollow river]

Then run Theo

[proper tapir]

Yeah but is there a reason I'm not considering?

[hollow river]

I think that ones kinda dependent upon your own attention to detail, if you mean the overhanging bleeds a at the end of vendetta

[hollow river]

Idk you’d have to link sim to be able to tell

[dry copper]

The exsang/subterfuge flagging of garrote/rupture is a lot easier to do than the vendetta one

[glass tulip]

It's not memorizing arbitrary numbers if I write it in a weakaura once and never think about it again

[exotic rose]

Yeah, I mean those. Mostly WA packs will show when a bleed enters pandemic, and muscle memory kicks in causing some wrong refreshes. I would love to have one that is aware when the bleed was cast to not show pandemic in that scenario.

[glass tulip]

Or every time I reapply a bleed lol, think about that shit 10 times a minute

[vast loom]

i was trying to make one but i think to get perfect functionality its pretty hard lol, if i new lua i would be able to tho. its just something you need to focus on after vendetta

[glass tulip]

Coding is hardge

[dry copper]

yeah, so Luxthos lights the bleeds green for subterfuge applications of garrote

[exotic rose]

Yeah, I also don't know how to do it. Ofc we can all "try to remember" but if we can make the machine remember for us, the better 🙂

[dry copper]

which is nice, cause you know not to overwrite

[glass tulip]

Pretty much any pack does that

[vast loom]

yeah its the same code just differnt

lol

[dry copper]

and yeah, i was messing around to do it for vendetta.

[hollow river]

We have a WA for the new pandemics during vendetta

[dry copper]

but HOLY FUCK are those WA packs annoying to code w/

[hollow river]

But nothing for the overhang specifically

[vast loom]

but garrote subt is a bit more complex because you can apply the garrote subt bleed to multiple targets

[hollow river]

That’s more up to you as the player

[dry copper]

globals, globals everywhere

[vast loom]

i might yoink the lux pack and see how his subt code works maybe its easier than the one i was looking at

[dry copper]

from what i recall, the subterfuge stores the target in a global

[vast loom]

but i assume most of them yoinked the same WA with custom code

oh nvm luxthos did something very differnt than the one i was readi ng

[quasi ledge]

I just remember that when I'm swimming in energy, it's the Vendetta'd bleeds so you just refresh those at the very last second

[verbal radish]

Whats the best way to use additional SBS on Multi-Target fights when you already have it applied to everything. I figured during Lords of Dread you can dump it during swarm as your builder, but otherwise?

[keen aurora]

IIRC if running bonesmith, dump during marrowed gemstone. If running marileth I think you just use it to get Kevin and/or avoid overcapping

[hollow river]

You can always pool a charge, especially if an add will spawn soon, otherwise just use them to build CP

If you’re running Heirmir you pool charges to dump during Gemstone windows

Idr if Lords for example is Heirmir or Kevin iirc it’s Kevin but not sure

[verbal radish]

Ah thank you. Necro is the one covenant I haven't played with at all as Rogue yet, so I wasn't very familiar with the soulbinds.

[hollow river]

Yeah whichever soulbind has Kevin’s oozling is usually the play on fights with adds because you get resets on SBS charges for more Kevin uptime

Heirmir is usually the play on ST/cleave

[verbal radish]

Thanks for the elaboration you two.

[keen aurora]

How long has that grudge match bug been an issue?

We run 2 sin rogues

Because we hate ourselves

[hollow river]

Most likely since PTR and launch if I had to guess

@brazen zodiac I think that bug explains some shit about our PTR testing when you came with my guild

[honest rain]

hey, is assa m+ viable?

just for the mount

had a longer break from pve

[hollow river]

Yeah

[storm onyx]

mount is 2500 rio?

[hollow river]

Ye

[storm onyx]

it is good yea

[hollow river]

Sub is generally just an easier time

But yeah you can get KSM with any spec/class

[gusty adder]

Sub is alot easier tho, but ye, assa can do well!

[storm onyx]

Assa is well, just how much work you put in to it is very different

[hollow river]

It’s also harder to do good dps in low keys if everything dies fast

[dry copper]

sub's entire complexity is hitting 5 buttons fast every minute. Other than that it's a 2 button spec.

sin is shitloads of effort for... meh

[hollow river]

They have the same amount of buttons

Aoe rotation is just easier

[gusty adder]

Sin is not alot more buttons tho, fan-ct-fan-rupture-fan-fan-rupture-fan-fan-ct-fan-fan-rupture

Throw in the odd shiv and snd

[dry copper]

ss -> bp

[odd heath]

Missed 3 garrotes there

[gusty adder]

True 😅

[dry copper]

sub: ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp

[odd heath]

And envenom to maintain snd

[dry copper]

😄

[odd heath]

But yeah

Sub easier time

[dry copper]

sometimes even just: bp bp bp bp

[hollow river]

Both specs have to maintain it

[honest rain]

what the best legendary?

with unity

necro still best right?

[hollow escarp]

#assassination-faq

[spice spire]

Necro was best for 3 months in 9.0. It hasn’t been since

[honest rain]

ah yeah ty

[hollow river]

And while sin just tab targets 3 garrotes sub has to SS-flag-BP-nado-dance-symbols-BP-BP-BP-BP-etc

[spice spire]

The FAQ is where you want to be homie

[iron orchid]

9.0.5

[spice spire]

Okay boomer

Deï living out his glory days

[iron orchid]

imagine 9.0.5 we got sbs to be affected by mastery, flag conduit to grant stacks

9.0 was basically trash

[spice spire]

Basically?

It was an experience

[iron orchid]

[hollow escarp]

there were 4 assa rogues in mythic in 9.0

[iron orchid]

i was

[spice spire]

I remember getting one of my UHDKs memed on because I did more damage than him

He green parses and I was like a 91 or something

[iron orchid]

well i outdpsed most of my raid anyway

then the 24 % or sth aura buff

[spice spire]

[honest rain]

when i did ksm with sub in s2 it was no joke just 2 buttons with shadowdance macro, but now i have only haste versa gear

[spice spire]

We’re at 51

[honest rain]

so i have to play somethign else

[iron orchid]

I still can't get why they did what they did last week of SL beta

nerf all of our conduits

like, divide their values by 4

[hollow escarp]

felt so good to get KSM on assa in 9.0

[iron orchid]

it was THE achievement

[hollow escarp]

fr

now it's different

it's not that assa is bad in m+

it's that sub is WAY better

[iron orchid]

true

[hollow river]

Now the big achievement is KSM on outlaw

Oh how the tables have turned

[hollow escarp]

soon

[hollow river]

[strange python]

@limber lion if gemstone isn't lining up with swarm, throw spikes during swarm anyways?

And not like em with gem?

[hollow river]

Or run Kevin

I coulda sworn I saw someone say Kevin on lords but idr

[brazen zodiac]

good morning

[limber lion]

Yeh, just send during farm

[strange python]

Is Kevin not better then?

[verbal radish]

This 2p bug :/ was just gonna make the switch back to Sin finally, but one of our other Rogues is a one trick Sin, so guess back to my other spec prison.

[copper hazel]

i literally have the same issue in my guild. Its annoying as fuck

[solid venture]

Assert dominance and track his shiv, press your shiv 1 sec before his comes back up

[verbal radish]

Dont think I didnt consider it.

I made a weak aura to track the debuff >.>

[copper hazel]

I told him he has to play Outlaw

[verbal radish]

It will throw the Venthyr rotation a bit, and he plays NF so he sends his shiv early...

But...i do like the way you think Link.

[ebon moon]

quick question for y'all rogue gurus - when you look at the stats on warcraftlogs for SOFO sub is generally ahead on every boss until you adjust for item level being around 270 and above - then Sin starts to pull way ahead on almost every fight

why would that be?

[vast loom]

sin is just better 🙂

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[verbal radish]

Not an expert like some, but I would probably put it to more of the skilled players who have access to better gear or making that swap.

are^

[hollow escarp]

sub had the early advantage with sylvanas daggers, assa is great with decent gear

[halcyon zealot]

our 4pc isnt a slot machine either which is nice

[verbal radish]

And that, Sylv daggers would drop overall ilevel. Good observation.

[hollow escarp]

well not only that

but sub was better early on since they already had bis weapon

[ebon moon]

I love both Sin and Sub, but this BiS Sylv Dag for sub BS drives me nuts 😆

not debating its veracity, just that it's still BiS drives me crazy

[ebon moon]

ahhh that makes a lot of sense. I didn't think about the downward ilvl pull it would have

Thank you all. That shines some light on it. Just noticed the trend while I was trying to find things to do rather than actually work 🙃

Hope everyone's having a good day

[white gull]

What is Maximum 5 CP Bleed Overhang?

[hollow river]

Because there’s like 7 sin parses compared to a thousand sub parses

[hollow escarp]

sub propaganda

[hollow river]

I’m on whispyr’s team

This sin build is the worst thing to ever come outta blizzards %^*#

[rotund oak]

Whispyr has no team

[white gull]

@vestal wren i noticed the 30k pantheon dps in the sheet, how is that dmg done? Do u 4x rupture all targets? or just cleave out of one?

[hollow escarp]

weren't you on the "play what's best" team?

[bleak sky]

sin's "cleave" is bleeding multiple targets

[hollow river]

That you know of

[white gull]

okay mister smarty pants

[vestal wren]

it plays the default

[white gull]

whats the default?

[hollow river]

Still am

[rotund oak]

[vestal wren]

mutidotting iirc

for sub it won't dot ofc

[white gull]

alrighty thanks

[vestal wren]

because 4 targets

so depends on what spec we talk about

but you can just open the report and look at the sample sequence

[white gull]

which tab is the sample sequence under?

[bleak sky]

Don't see how I'm a smart ass here but

[hollow river]

Sin always dots everything that has a pulse

[hollow river]

Nah you just answered the question

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[dry copper]

I believe i have a mod for Luxthos' rogue WA package to color the garrote/rupt green when snapshot w/ vendetta

2 lines, in the Assassination Core logic wa

[vestal wren]

sample sequence:

[white gull]

Ah thanks alot

[dry copper]

https://wago.io/Nv8Yk--Bn -- for those who want the Luxthos set w/ Vendetta snapshot colors

[slim wagon]

is that just the rupture garrote or the whole pack?

[dry copper]

it's the core pack, with some every-frame checks fixed, and the snapshots

hit code diff to see what changed for just snapshots, and you can crib that

[slim wagon]

ok thanks, I'll have to import some stuff part by part cause I have modified a big part of his pack. I Keep saying I wanted to fix the 4p as well but I was lazy

[dry copper]

The snapshots is just part of the Assassination Logic WA.

[slim wagon]

oh wait I think i missunderstood, you added pandemic timers for vendetta ? or you meant something else and I'm dumb.

[dry copper]

you know how if you talent subterfuge and your garrotes have green countdown text when used from stealth?

[slim wagon]

yeah

[dry copper]

does that, for garrote/ruptures applied during vendetta.

I'll dick around a bit more for proper pandemic highlighting

[dry copper]

done

[slim wagon]

that was fast ^^

your work is higly appreciated by me at least, cause I'm too lazy to learn to make weakauras properly

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uGRkY46Q9F9qjfztZX7hpZ

broke 16k somehow

thanks cev

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[kindred heron]

and without the CoS ring? sheeesh

[fleet anchor]

277 ilevel "somehow" 😄

[echo geyser]

can u relax

[spice spire]

No

[spice spire]

Tertiary collector ramfam

[echo geyser]

making these into tier next week

nice upgrade from

[ebon notch]

im down bad bro

[ebon notch]

no i must blast

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/75hdz3zpQhdHxajZAmD6Jn

my shaman has also ascended

[echo geyser]

[viscid spear]

Non-Rogue class talk in #assassination ?

[weak bane]

[spice spire]

Silence mage main

[viscid spear]

[hollow escarp]

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

gray log, but it's private so nobody knows

[ebon notch]

[fleet atlas]

Swapped to sub b4 getting 4pc so I haven't tried duskwalkers but Ima play some sin this week for lords and I was wondering: how much do we get off our vend cd with duskwalkers on average? Just curious

[ebon notch]

vend becomes 55s - 1:05 min cd

[fleet atlas]

Cool. Thanks

[kindred heron]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-dance-sepulcher-crab-rave-gif-25113266

[ebon notch]

[lilac sparrow]

like exang, we don't refresh vendetta-snapshot rupture and garrot?

[fleet anchor]

After Vendetta expires yes

During Vendetta you can refresh normally

[lilac sparrow]

Thanks 🙂

[viscid spear]

Hal doing this ON TOP OF THE WATER

[vast loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n9qKwyJjJ2PvaXBQ1ADevK im never simming again 🙂

[bleak sky]

and why is that

[high magnet]

There was a discussion I remember from a few days ago saying that Zoldyck was the go to legendary for LoD. Something about the CDs with DWP lining up poorly with swarm and among us phases.

[vast loom]

my dps is leet 🙂

[bleak sky]

oh

[spice spire]

Leeet

[solid mica]

Seriously how do you have so many tertiaries lol

[vast loom]

im surprised that the other ring isnt better than my heroic vigilant ring

[viscid spear]

It didn't transform into numbers, so you're just posing.
Let us know when you're 1337

[vast loom]

[viscid spear]

Just work on your lingo, my dingo

[weak bane]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[ebon notch]

a quick tip for mythic anduin with the cache trinket, do not take axe if it is first or second on pull

if you take it when its third then you will have it up for 2nd add set in first intermission

[gusty mirage]

Quicker tip for anduin, enjoy the comforts of the bench

[hollow escarp]

2-3 weeks of vacation

[oak sky]

whats the bench like i never seen it

[gusty mirage]

It’s the thing where you can skip the shitty bosses

Like I’ll never see pantheon again

[oak sky]

oh i mean

in farm i get benched

fuck doing every boss in farm

[gusty mirage]

I’d be perfectly fine never seeing anduin again

Prog or not

[ebon notch]

im also testing to see if i can hit the adds as i get taken down

cause the adds appear for a split second

[oak sky]

pad

der

[subtle tundra]

not when you have to backup for 4 different people

[tribal mauve]

lets go, we just killed him too \o/

[hollow escarp]

grats

there's actually 6 other guilds that killed it since

[tribal mauve]

how many pulls

[hollow escarp]

268

wbu?

[subtle tundra]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

there are some guilds with 300+ pulls and no below 30% pulls

[hollow river]

We comin for dat ass

[hollow escarp]

you said you're playing ass?

[hollow river]

We have like 50 pulls PB 35%

[hollow escarp]

sheesh

[hollow river]

We kill this week or die

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra im in ur situation

[oak sky]

varas is on rygie

[hollow escarp]

we had a 3% wipe 2 raid nights ago

[hollow river]

Don’t tell me that

[ebon notch]

his old situation

[bleak sky]

damn that's solid

[hollow river]

Just hope we kill fast

I want to start leveling a real class while I’m benched

[hollow escarp]

nvm, they didn't have 300+ before 30%

[hollow river]

Oof

[oak sky]

warlock i guess

[hollow river]

Warlock, hunter, mage

[oak sky]

im on my mage sht

tier set next week for sure

[hollow river]

I like mage

But I wanna play fotm for once

[oak sky]

mage is fun because all 3 specs are legitimately interesting and different

bro im no fotm

[hollow river]

Yeah

[oak sky]

i play what i like

[hollow escarp]

[hollow river]

I just want to do 10000k dps bro

[hollow escarp]

very fun

[hollow river]

Just once

I like most classes

[oak sky]

bro im with you but im like

not with you

theres some classes i just dont really enjoy

[hollow river]

Yeah I feel it

[oak sky]

(hunter)

[hollow river]

I don’t enjoy Bm hunter

I want to try surv tho

[oak sky]

i dont really like hunter or druid

[hollow river]

Yeah Druid is kinda meh

[oak sky]

warlock is meh for me as well

but the rest of the classes are good

[hollow river]

Bro I sat at dummies on my lock for like 2 hours

Demo isn’t so bad

[oak sky]

i mean ye i dont mind lock really

[hollow river]

I love affliction ngl

[oak sky]

just not my preference

yeah aff is ok its basically sin

[vast loom]

@glass tulip and I were talking and he made the comparison that demo is just sin rogue

[hollow river]

If aff had decent st I probably would’ve main swapped this tier

[oak sky]

nah not me bro

[hollow river]

Nah demo isn’t

[oak sky]

im not main swapping unless i like need to

hof circumstances or smth like that

[spice spire]

Agreonicy

[oak sky]

i need some work for sure

[hollow river]

I’m tired of rogue

It just doesn’t bring anything

[spice spire]

Bruh did you see me tank?

[oak sky]

ye

[hollow river]

Last tier was great because we were top dam but this tier we kinda suck in a lot of fights

Just want to play a hero class like a loser now

[oak sky]

more st last tier

[zinc frost]

Maybe we should all summon dragons next expac, refuse to heal tho

[oak sky]

literally so me

[strange python]

4 set pvp need but no 2set bugfix

Rip

[hollow river]

What

They nerfed 4 set in pvp?

People cry about everything don’t they

[vestal wren]

that just highlights how fight design is important

also i do think rogue is still good on most fights

i am also fairly certain devs wanted to have other classes on top to "change things up"

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s shitty game design

[vestal wren]

problem is there is at least at this point no metric to measure balance

[oak sky]

im bouta sell a key poor no longer

[vestal wren]

so you can say "balance is great" or "balance is terrible" and both is equally true

if you look at wcl. It already depends if you look at 95% or 60%tile

[hollow river]

I don’t really pay attention to those graphs as much as most people

[vestal wren]

both are valid groups you can balance around but will change the evalation noticable

[hollow river]

Especially since this tier is going so slowly

[vestal wren]

and looking at normalized scores instead of dps also changes it

[viscid spear]

[vestal wren]

e.g. looking at 60% tile

you see everyone within +- 5% in normalized scores

what would mean a very good balance

[gusty mirage]

Except that those scores don’t exactly tell the whole story

[hollow river]

Yep

[vestal wren]

moving to 95%tile and per sec amount

[hollow river]

Damn near worthless information

[vestal wren]

you have very big outliners on top and bottom

and it does look a lot less balanced

[gusty mirage]

BM hunter

[vestal wren]

in addition to that, certain fights are not included in the statistics partly even certain specs

[gusty mirage]

Hahahahahahahahaha

[vestal wren]

tbh i think bm hunter is a fun thing to discuss

because it is the 4th most played spec in the game if you look at heroic logs

[hollow river]

Bm is only getting real play on like Halondrus isn’t it?

[vestal wren]

and this while performing statistically bad

[hollow river]

Because it’s the easiest spec in the game

[vestal wren]

yes

[nocturne geode]

what about dh

thats easy af

2

[vestal wren]

it certainly has to do with difficultly of execution while beeing a ranged dps

but my point is, it is hard to talk about balancing without getting specific about what part of the playerbase we refer to

as play rate is a indication of balance, and bm hunter is proving the point that there is a big group that it is still attractive to

even if the output is not very high

[hollow river]

I mean it should always refer to maximum output no?

[vestal wren]

maximim output on wcl is a bad metric

[hollow river]

Sure. I never mentioned WCL

[vestal wren]

because it ignores almost all data and only evalutes on the maxima

so if a class has lower amount of logs, you will have a lower maxima usually

[hollow river]

I don’t think the devs balance based on WCL

[vestal wren]

they certainly don't balance around simulations

as if they did, a lot of balancing mistakes would not have happened this xpac

assassination was heavily undertuned for 9.0 for example

and this was even directly communicated

yet only later in the raid, it was buffed

now, this can have several causes, but for me it seems logical that statistics would have had a impact

[hollow river]

Sure but I doubt they appropriate their data via WCL

[vestal wren]

oh absolutely

wcl is only a subset of all fights played as you need to excluively opt in and also have your log public

but there is no reason blizz couldn't have a internal statistic based on a bigger dataset they generate themselves

[native belfry]

Or they can just have an agreement with wcl regarding showing them private logs?

[vestal wren]

there are a lot of people who don't log fights

they have the data however already, so they could just use that

[hollow river]

Idk it’s difficult to explain but like

I dislike the “every spec has their niche” and slight imbalance creating undesirability (which is formed from the player base itself, I know).

In a way the niches are enjoyable and make fight design fun to deal with, but also a pain in the ass and boring for some players/classes with such a big group being necessary

[hollow river]

Ye for sure I think they have exactly that

At least that’s what the combat logs in game suggest to me

[limber lion]

@hollow escarp grats on HallyD kill

getting SUPER nerfed now

[hollow escarp]

ty

[limber lion]

so glad you got the kill before nerfs

big dick

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it does feel good

[limber lion]

those nerfs to Hally, Anduin and Jailer

are fucking massive

holy

[hollow escarp]

you know I had doubts on playing assa since there were only 2 public logs when I started prog

did the same dam as our sub rogue but we both died soaking in the last 1-2%

[limber lion]

yeh but that's good

soaking > damage

[hollow escarp]

don't tell me there are gaps now

[limber lion]

I mean

going from no gaps

to "changing the pattern"

probably means adding a gap

[oak sky]

bro whats sin

[gusty mirage]

is my pp smol because we couldn't do it? 😦

[loud light]

could mean it's the heroic pattern of two lines

[spice spire]

Removing ur red name

[slow marsh]

haha get rekt

[obtuse robin]

o.o

[brazen zodiac]

thats. so. lame.

[obtuse robin]

30 sec damn

on bombs

[brazen zodiac]

zzzz

this is why i think s4 dropping next week, they moving this season along so fast lul

i feel like there weren't many hard nerfs so early on in sod

[obtuse robin]

next week

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[limber lion]

it's too big, making the crabby boy jealous

[gusty mirage]

also idk how people fucked up their bombs

[glass tulip]

Why are the nerfs so big

[gusty mirage]

just like... pick it up and drop it off?

[glass tulip]

We're gonna clear it too easily now

[hollow river]

bro

[gusty mirage]

tbh the vast majority of mythic raiders weren't killing halondrus even in its current form

[hollow river]

there went the only fun fight i get to be a part ofd

[gusty mirage]

but like if you can breathe without reminding yourself, the boss should fall over lol

[brazen zodiac]

now now listen here oxi

you and i both know i constantly forget to breathe

and so dou

[gusty mirage]

just breathe friend, you got this

[glass tulip]

Is that not a common thing

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

assa 4p nerfed in pvp, halondrus nerfs

all rogue fun SUCKED AND DRAINED AWAY

[brazen zodiac]

i actually cant i night i set up an appointment with a sleep doctor

sleep apnea :(

[gusty mirage]

Sadge

[glass tulip]

Sometimes you just take an extra big breath in and it's like "damn how long was I holding my breath"

[brazen zodiac]

they gonna make me sleep in a big white room over night

some sci fi shit

[spice spire]

You tryna make me act up ?

[hollow river]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

dont do it

you wont like it when hes angry

his names green for a reason bro

[spice spire]

It’s working

[hollow river]

you're trolling right

[spice spire]

Me?

[hollow river]

ye

[spice spire]

Oh no I meant it sounded sexual

No ban or bully

[gusty mirage]

bro?

wtf

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

LF my life to be sucked and drained!!!

[balmy condor]

virgin CF threatening maybe a mute

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

dsfljkhasdbfljkfdshabnfds

lmfao

[balmy condor]

oh no I'm makeitquake and I'm gonna give you a !warning

better watch out

!

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

[hollow river]

lolololol

[spice spire]

True and real

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

he needed therapy after his last warning

started hyperventilating

[spice spire]

The only warning imma give is whispyr for being too damn much

Ya feel

[ebon notch]

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

on god we would have killed halondrus next week without the nerfs

now I'm sadge

[brazen zodiac]

if hala came and attacked the world irl u would beat him minal

[spice spire]

Minalbachad

[bleak sky]

absolutely vita

[brazen zodiac]

champion of planet earth

[bleak sky]

halondrus if it tried to fuck with me

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[ebon notch]

[brazen zodiac]

thats a lot of mothre fuckin crab meat

god damn

[hollow river]

Everyone, I come to you today to inform you; that people have started doing NO healer +25 Mythic Plus keystones. With Prot Pal, Survival Hunter, Destro Warlock, Demon Hunter. The games balance is SO terriBAD that they can brute-force ANY high-level dungeon, WITHOUT A HEALER. We must put a stop to this. Please sign my petition below and spread the message to create awareness in the community. The Hunters and Warlocks must pay.

[bleak sky]

halondrus is a thicc one

[ebon notch]

for april fools we should have put the channel in emote only mode

[bleak sky]

it would all be

[brazen zodiac]

hala stupid fat

[ebon notch]

sounds good

[brazen zodiac]

[ebon notch]

sorry we use the term thicc here

[brazen zodiac]

here in new york we say stupid fat

why? no idea its fuckin new york!

[ebon notch]

IM WALKIN 'ERE

[brazen zodiac]

IM WALKIN ERE

people ironically scream at at me from time to time

the citys a great place

[whole mason]

Okay, a lot of nerf, how about the bug?

[bleak sky]

ny good

love ny

[spice spire]

Evewyone, i come to you todaie to infowm you; dat peopwe have stawted doim no heawew +25 mythic pwus keystones. With pwot paw, suwvivaw huntew, destwo wawwock, demon huntew. Da games bawance is so tewwibad dat daie can bwute-fowce anie high-wevew dungeon, without a healie. We must put a stop to dis. Pwease sign mie petition bewowo and spwead da message to cweate awaweness in da communitie. Da huntews and wawwocks must paie.

[bleak sky]

who cares about a bug on an underplayed spec

[spice spire]

Inb4 I’m @‘d

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire

..?

[spice spire]

People have this weird notion that I’m an uwupasta guy

[bleak sky]

are you not

[spice spire]

I’m not

I did it like

5 times

[bleak sky]

5 times too many

[hollow river]

you just did it

[bleak sky]

you're now makeituwu

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

thats a uwupasta if ive ever seen one tbh

[ebon notch]

@spice spire 5 times?

[bleak sky]

MakeitQuwuake

[spice spire]

6 now

[ebon notch]

YES

change your name right now quake

do it

[brazen zodiac]

plz

[ebon notch]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spice spire]

Fixed

[ebon notch]

@spice spire degen

[spice spire]

Are you happy now?!

[brazen zodiac]

yes

[bleak sky]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

i think everyones now happy

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

world peace has been achieved

[ebon notch]

[loud light]

it helps that it updates in the old messages too

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[hollow river]

lool

[spice spire]

Don’t screenshot my NFT, thanks

[bleak sky]

I minted it

it's mine

[spice spire]

??????

Buddy I got the blockchain

[oak sky]

bro

i have 100k gold

lets go

m+ sales ez

[brazen zodiac]

bro

i got 800k

skinning and getting yelled at by spanish players for no idea ez

@bleak sky when u went skinning did u get yelled at in spanish

[bleak sky]

oh yeah

I had some drakkari and quel people

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[obtuse robin]

dam do i need to up the $$$ sheeesh

self snitch

[brazen zodiac]

its just supre boring man, it takes hours

[spice spire]

Broke ass

Smh

[brazen zodiac]

and i feel like i only make so much cuz i got some dude who buys it for more

and the spanish people yell at u and hurt ur feelings

[obtuse robin]

i have 1m from boosting

and iv only done 3

[brazen zodiac]

from m+ or normal

raid i mean, yeah i should sell my tier pieces im just so lazy about wow rn

[obtuse robin]

normal and heroic

[spice spire]

It’s funny

[slow marsh]

can i have gold

im poor

[spice spire]

Because I’m agreon level broke

[brazen zodiac]

do u boost for a community

or

[obtuse robin]

no thats illegal

[spice spire]

Tos, don’t do that

[obtuse robin]

lol

[brazen zodiac]

got u

[obtuse robin]

guild boost

[brazen zodiac]

see u guys are all good rule abiding players

[spice spire]

Ethical

[brazen zodiac]

ethical gamers only. 🛑

[bleak sky]

ethical boosting

farm to table

[spice spire]

Amen

[muted condor]

Boosting is so relaxing. Shooting the shit with homies in discord while pissing on a 15

[brazen zodiac]

haha yeah its fun stuff

and its cool when u get stuff they need, everyone wins!

[gray hazel]

what is your guys go to opener on large M+ packs?

[obtuse robin]

press n and click sub

[brazen zodiac]

NO

[gray hazel]

No thanks

[obtuse robin]

[muted condor]

Pre sure u just garrote primary targets / casters. Then jjust fan of knife and tempest and focus main target?

[glass tulip]

garret garret garret garret rupture fok ct

all of the ruptures

[zinc frost]

Vendetta prio target, target dies too quick, feel sad, repeat

[muted condor]

And just vendetta the biggeet boy

[limber lion]

Finally got a good HC Anduin parse

[winged basin]

feels like an absolutely stupid comment, specially cause the article SAYS PvP but the nerf is strictly for pvp right?

[ebon notch]

[limber lion]

what a painful boss

[ebon notch]

did your trinket go off this time

[winged basin]

nvm, I read it again and it literally says players

[ebon notch]

[zinc frost]

I mean, I thought your 25k was good but go off king beat that by another 3k

[muted condor]

On heroic jailer. I main warlock and alt rogue. So the holes isnt a big deal cas step and teleprot and shit. But i cant even imagine havinf to be a dk or pally on that fight

[limber lion]

Yeh, finally a group that got 2 intermissions and I got both trinket uses off

[ebon notch]

easy for you

[loud light]

lol

[ebon notch]

did you see my updated sim cev

[limber lion]

ye

getting there

[ebon notch]

can we pretend i have ring?

please

i dont like this FOMO

[glass tulip]

not rank 1 = not good

[zinc frost]

Built diff

[limber lion]

Kinda annoyed though that everytime I do hc, I get PI'd

I don't have to say anything in the chat

it just happens

[ebon notch]

same happens to me

do one pull

insta pi magnet

really not enjoyable

[hollow escarp]

same here, and in the worst possible times

[limber lion]

they go ook ook 278 assa rogue, he must want pi

[glass tulip]

always right after vendetta ends

[ebon notch]

is he wrong tho

[glass tulip]

never fails

[limber lion]

I mean my Dausegne and Lords parses are fucking insane now

So that's nice I guess

But not a big fan of PI-spam

Just give them to the warlocks or mages or something xd

[hexed root]

Wtb 278 ivlv

[zinc frost]

20k on the sausage

Insane

[ebon notch]

2:42 kill time

with 2 buffs

we did hc in guild today

but i didnt come on rogue for desausage

no where else can i get that kind of kill time

[limber lion]

Yeah, I don't think that's getting beaten in a while lol

I mean it was just a random pug

[ebon notch]

you were pugging while i was in main raid

[limber lion]

2:42 is on the slow side

3rd slowest kill

[ebon notch]

i mean optimal would be like

[limber lion]

but yeah, perfect timing

[ebon notch]

10s faster?

for your cds?

[limber lion]

no

no

that's perfect

[ebon notch]

o then its w.e

[limber lion]

Could have been 5-10s longer even

but yeh, had to do some raids to fill up the vault

I noticed yesterday that I had 0 options in the vault

and I cba running a million dungeons on my rogue

So I'll do 4 dungeons and did a few hc kills to fill the rest

[obtuse robin]

you still have hc upgrades

[limber lion]

Nono

I just need 3 vault options so I can get 6 tokens

meaning a socket

[obtuse robin]

oh right

im so far from thinking about sockets i just forgot

[native belfry]

pantheon is so ez tbh, shit is just melting

On the other hand, saving VD for the add on Lihuvim sucks =_=

[shy dust]

Omg parses talk

That’s so relevant

Y’all are so good at this game

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[limber lion]

Yeah he's right, we should just stop playing the game altogether.

[strange python]

What other class do you play cev

[shy dust]

Yes I define self worth by parse

[limber lion]

Feral and a bit of MM hunter, nothing serious though.

[dense herald]

So lads, what’s the tldr of assass covenant for mythic dread lords

[strange python]

Oh cool, I was just curious : )

[dense herald]

Venth vs necro

[limber lion]

What would you suggest we should do if not have fun in the game?

What would you suggest I do as someone who's benched on mythic for a month?

Quit the game?

[shy dust]

Be in for prog

[strange python]

5head

[limber lion]

Not sure why you feel the need to constantly attack people for having fun in the game

It's very weird.

[strange python]

what are you sitting for :0

[limber lion]

Only have space for 6 melees, unfortunately rogue doesn't bring in utility

[strange python]

Ahhh okay

Sad

[limber lion]

We have Enha for WFT, DK for grips/AMZ, 2 warriors for shouts and DH for the debuff

[strange python]

I’m assuming you guys are on one of the later bosses now

[zinc frost]

2 rogues for shroud

[limber lion]

Jailer yeah.

[strange python]

Ahh okay makes sense lol

[brazen zodiac]

haters gonna hate

zzzz

[polar timber]

Did I miss something cache jumped up in my sim

[brazen zodiac]

maybe it was shy and finally decided to pop in

[balmy condor]

axe good

[polar timber]

Okay amazing more bleeds are good

[mortal pike]

these holandrus nerfs

[fleet anchor]

So I looked into it and some proc mechanics were changed in the SimC core that cause the axe to now trigger from a few things it doesn't normally trigger from unlike my initially fixed version. Since Cache is pretty close in value I think this is enough to make it overtake. But personally I think if Cache and Sigil are close, I'd run Sigil for now until I can find a way to work around the changes or convince the other devs to revert it.

[mortal pike]

Good thing I got mythic cache last week and lost the sigil roll

[rigid tartan]

Isn’t assa among the greatest specs for jailer dps? Looking at that Chinese assa log on mythic jailer boss dps ranking

[limber lion]

Yeah, but there's very limited space in a raid comp there

[drifting cloud]

wait is push also sitting cev? or is he the 6th melee

[limber lion]

We don't bring any utility so it is what is it

[limber lion]

Yeah, he's the 6th

It was either me or Push, he's an officer and does strategy and whatnot with the other officers

[wide ridge]

mastery gems

[rigid tartan]

Ah you have two rogues.. well maybe with the coming nerfs you could want for another dps machine instead of another shout 😬

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure their shouts are also dps machines

[limber lion]

Probably don't want to be changing the comp around anymore after 70 odd pulls :P

[edgy prairie]

Sorry for the delayed follow-up but can you elaborate how it is still bugged?

[final star]

Do rupture/garrote/ct retain the tick rate of vendetta when reapplied towards the end

or does it drop when it falls off

[turbid harbor]

it retains tick rate

[final star]

ty

[final star]

thought I was understanding pin correctly and I was

[limber lion]

The effective refresh duration is not working properly during Vendetta Windows.

From this log it looks like I've been reapplying Rup/Gar way too early all the time, when that is not the case.

It's just how the 4p works

[indigo totem]

Lol wtf did they really just nerf our 4pc?

[balmy condor]

in pvp yes

[hollow escarp]

it's pretty strong

[limber lion]

Also energy capping is not a thing that you can avoid using the 4p unfortunately

[brazen zodiac]

whats that cev?

;o

[limber lion]

So there should be a check for Vendetta for both of these

[hollow escarp]

looks like loganalyzer

[fleet anchor]

I can pass on some info to Emallson if you want Cev

[brazen zodiac]

never seenit

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[limber lion]

@edgy prairie is here, he's the one maintaining the Assa module

[marble hemlock]

playing necro with deeper means i dont overcap during 4pc

[limber lion]

biggest of brains

[spice spire]

Flex your boomer status harder

[marble hemlock]

can flex with my remnant damage on anduin

[hollow escarp]

sheesh

[spice spire]

Ethical add killer

[marble hemlock]

i would

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

if we actually killed the boss

[spice spire]

O

[hollow escarp]

[marble hemlock]

instead of wiping to p1 blasphemy 150 pulls into prog

[hollow escarp]

it's the hardest mechanic anyway

isn't it?

[edgy prairie]

The energy cap suggestion is a general module, it is difficult to make perfect unfortunately. I can lower it from average to low so it isn't as intrusive.

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's pretty minor. The Rup/Gar effective refresing however is quite major.

[edgy prairie]

I'll take a look at the effective uptime module and see what I can get done.

[fleet anchor]

Yeah basically just have to assume DoTs cast during Vendetta or DoTs that are up when Vendetta is cast have half duration

[edgy prairie]

I have a rather clear schedule this week at night so, barring any crazy that comes up I'll try to have a fix submitted this week.

[limber lion]

[fleet anchor]

If you are adding any tracking it probably also worth making sure people aren't overwriting 4pc DoTs after Vendetta falls off (you should wait until it expires or has 1 tick left)

[limber lion]

Hekili also contacted me, glad to hear he is working on his addon as well

We'll get plenty of good tools for the Assa boys

[fleet anchor]

I checked in all the updates to HeroRotation last night with the new stuff, but I can imagine Hekili might have some minor fits with some of the custom logic recently 😛

Since there's no way to track exsanguinated state without manually implementing something

[edgy prairie]

Would you want a suggestion list item or a stat box recording any "bad casts"?

[fleet anchor]

I dunno if you have a suggestion from the Exsanguinate talent back last xpac which was the same rule or not. But a stat box would probably be good for people. Overwriting DoTs like that is a pretty big loss.

[edgy prairie]

If the suggestion isn't there I can attempt to find it in the history and recreate the logic.

All 3 class specs for Rogue are in active "triage" mode for the remainder of Shadowlands. It will be much easier to have active iterative maintenance once Dragonflight comes around with a sort of "reset" for the modules.

[strange python]

We said that in 8.3 before sl too

And then all throughout beta

And then into 9.0

[final star]

If I have rupture/garrote/CT from vendetta do I reapply with 1s remaining or in pandemic

Outside vendetta

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vast loom]

based on what ive read you want to let them basically fall off. you dont want to overwrite those snap shotted dots at all if you can

[edgy prairie]

I could always completely stop working on this class instead of attempting at updating it. Remember, this work is all done in the free time of the developers free of charge. We are volunteers. As a dad of 2 young kids I need to balance my limited free time to work on this project.

I don't want to do that, I want to give back to the WoW community by using my skills where I can to help others. But I also need the help of the community to let me know when something isn't looking quite right, like the bleed effective uptime issue.

In all honesty and transparency, I was close to actively ghosting the class based on some of the comments I've read. I understand the class hasn't been updated much in recent expansions and I understand I fell off the map (to address personal issues that required 90+% of my time and energy) previously, which I've tried to apologize and make-up for by being more active with updates.

[strange python]

I'm not trying to disparage you and the volunteers

I'm just saying that we keep hearing reasons blizz is ignoring us

The frustration is aimed squarely at the devs

[limber lion]

Glad to have you working on the module and making sure it works well for the current iteration of Assassination. It's gonna help a lot of people, new and old out. Appreciate it

[final star]

As I thought

Can anyone confirm this

Additionally, I mean

[limber lion]

You reapply at 0-1s

So you let them drop off or reapply at 1s

Doesn't matter either way

[craggy river]

is the assassination bleed build good for M+?

[limber lion]

The condition in the sim is 0.5s

[limber lion]

Not really

[final star]

Oky I just wanna meme in hc clears

Makes sense

[frigid sleet]

during the vendetta is there an optimal timing to reapply bleeds falling off ?

[final star]

I'll try and get Mythic pantheon trinket I suppose

[limber lion]

Follow normal pandemic rules (of half of those during 4pc Vendetta) and make sure to reapply bleeds toward the end.

Pins have more info about that

[final star]

Do we still not apply CT during shiv

[limber lion]

We maintain CT always

[torn atlas]

That update for venthy in sims gave me a nice juicy 400 sim dps boost.

[final star]

Very pog

[limber lion]

Yep very dank

[frigid sleet]

can I see the optimal sin profile gear somewhere ? does it use TW ring ?

[limber lion]

It does yes

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T28_Raid.html

[frigid sleet]

how do I mentally recover from not having it

[limber lion]

We have updated profiles here

[final star]

Assa brain dead with venthyr tech

Sub brain dead with kyrian

[hollow escarp]

[final star]

Gaming

[limber lion]

[red plaza]

we won redbros

[limber lion]

brain dead?

[final star]

My sub still like 500+ ahead but I have dog trinkets

[obtuse robin]

def not brain dead

[jaunty crystal]

my sin sims 300 higher now. I'm joining the dark side. (even tho I technically already play both)

[limber lion]

you're asking a bunch of questions

have you even played it

[final star]

Yuh

[torn atlas]

Not gonna lie, I've got a lot of work to do in retraining my rotation and reflexes during Vend to actually cash in on the extra dps.

[limber lion]

how's that going for ya

[final star]

I was confirming what I was doing

[gusty mirage]

the darkside was never assassination brother

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it’s Outlaw.

Cursed.

[jaunty crystal]

true

[gusty mirage]

it's warlock

fuck warlock

[timid cloud]

Oh.

Dark side would be Survival actually.

[gusty mirage]

nah we let the year of the spear have their moment

before they're irrelevant again

meanwhile warlock

since the dawn of wow

[peak sandal]

assassination

[gusty mirage]

has been good

[vast loom]

idk man there was that one time on ptr