assassination

[limber lion]

like what

[glass tulip]

sus

[limber lion]

Also I do much more damage as Assa

than I ever would as Sub

Man comes into the channel with

[marble hemlock]

doing 16k on hal is insane tho

[limber lion]

"wtff the guides are all suggesting night fae? why is everyone playing venth? lmao necrolord bis. jk we should all play sub"

like chill

I already told you

play whatever the fuck you want

no one cares

[zinc frost]

We better shut this channel down then, sub better

[weak bane]

[limber lion]

yeh

delete the spec

[glass tulip]

cev's keys are smoking from being pressed so fast rn

[limber lion]

sub does 30 more damage

casino spec

omg

just play sub

[weak bane]

Casino spec

LOL

Love it

[limber lion]

like if you wanna play Outlaw

Then go for it

who cares

But there's a difference between playing the OMEGA BEST SPEC versus playing the best setup for your spec of choice

[subtle kettle]

Idek why you guys argue when outlaw is an option and you can cast only pistol shot for Detroit rogue RP

[limber lion]

We literally spend hundreds of hours simming shit

and get hit with "night fae only 300 dps behind???? kinda sus, there should be more people playing it"

"sims are probably wrong, no way nf is only 300 dps behind"

[hybrid vale]

Didn’t say sims were wrong D:

[limber lion]

Def implied it

[hybrid vale]

Didn’t mean to

[stray moon]

Yo

[hybrid vale]

I just found it weird that there’s no fae anywhere

[stray moon]

Trying to get better at Assasination Rogue in 2's/3's. Anyone have any content that you reccomend?

[hybrid vale]

Even tho there’s random necrolord parses on halandros

[limber lion]

a random necrolord parse

[marble hemlock]

cause field of blossoms sucks

[limber lion]

which I already explained

10000000000 times

Afro literally

only

plays Necro

it doesn't matter if Necro is shit

or good

he only plays necro

because he likes necro

[marble hemlock]

he also only plays assa :>

[limber lion]

and it's a comfort pick

it's not because it's good

or bad

it's because he likes it

it's literally

one

dude

one dude

out of like

15 parses

and he's still massively behind the Venthyr

[hybrid vale]

Theres nobody with a fae fetish

[limber lion]

Yeah

Because Field of Blossoms sucks dick

And Night Fae has been a dead covenant since 9.0

[marble hemlock]

tbf, thats not entirely accurate

hes behind the one assa log we have publicly that beats his by a significant margin

up until yday he was actually ahead of every venthyr :>

[tranquil lodge]

also keep in mind that 1 data point does not make for good statistics

[limber lion]

but it is, because he is massively behind the one Venthyr log we have

But yeah

[marble hemlock]

if you had that argument yesterday, that 1 assalog wouldnt have been there

[limber lion]

Necrolord is dogshit on single target and you would only play it if it's a comfort pick and/or don't want to play another covenant

[marble hemlock]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber lion]

which is completely fine

[hollow river]

There is they just haven’t killed Halondrus yet

[marble hemlock]

only argument i can make for necro on halondrus, is that it helps if youre not skipping 2nd reclaim

but onyl ever so slightly

[hybrid vale]

Maybe he doesn’t feel like swapping all the time

If he likes playing necro on the other bosses

[limber lion]

He literally only plays Necro

on every boss

always

it's one dude

who likes necro

why are you making it into such a massive huge big brain ultimate edgelord gigachad thing

[hollow river]

Ninja panda likes necro

[limber lion]

he likes the covenant

so he plays it

[halcyon zealot]

yellow names

[limber lion]

that's it

Necro is 1.3k dps behind Venthyr on single target

and that's just facts

[hollow river]

Green names *

[hybrid vale]

I think ppl like when the off meta pick works historically speaking

[limber lion]

Assa is an off-meta pick

yet you criticized people for playing it

[marble hemlock]

still dont understand how zylv did this much damage

[echo geyser]

[marble hemlock]

most of his shit does like

10% more dam than mine

but we have basically same uptimes

almost same stats

[hybrid vale]

I’m trying assa cause I’m salty about how bad outlaw is I know the off meta life

[marble hemlock]

yet his envenom did almost 20% more dam than mine did

[hybrid vale]

I also don’t like sub

[marble hemlock]

[hybrid vale]

I was just making a silly point

[limber lion]

Yeh it's a great log

He's also got all the sub boys beat

He's #1 overall rogue parse

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

im just trying to figure out why/how

yaknow

i mean i couldve done a bit more cuz

we didnt prepot

cuz it fucked our timers

and i dont get sigil with bloodlust

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's a combination of many things

ye

[marble hemlock]

my envenoms have 9k average, his 10.6k

but same critrate

[hybrid vale]

Why are you all blood elf’s is another big ❓

[limber lion]

Because we don't give a shit about race

[strange python]

Every other horde race blows

[gusty mirage]

Because mogs look better

[strange python]

Nothing can change my mind

[limber lion]

and enjoy the look

I'm not playing a stupid ass orc

for 7 dps

[hybrid vale]

Ah ok nothing performance wise

[limber lion]

No

[tranquil lodge]

one of the more useful races in m+ too

[gusty mirage]

Cev’s a weirdo playing a male belf tho

[limber lion]

the only standout races are Mechagon Gnomes and Void Elfs

[tranquil lodge]

???

[limber lion]

and both are alliance

[strange python]

He gets a pass cause he’s cracked

[tranquil lodge]

male nelf > female nelf

[strange python]

hell no

That’s a war crime

That I will never accept

female nelf> all

[hybrid vale]

Haha mechagnomes for real

[gusty mirage]

Mechagnomes are kinda giga

[hybrid vale]

I forgot their racial tbh

[strange python]

oxi I can see you playing a mechagnome

[hybrid vale]

Can’t remember the last time I played alliance 😐

[hollow river]

Orc is just bis for pvp

[frank axle]

if vendetta and shiv is active what has a higher prio, env or ct?

[bleak sky]

Dwarf op in m+

[hollow river]

Since pvp was relevant this patch I went orc

[gusty mirage]

Pvp was more relevant season 1

[hollow river]

Not for me

I started playing a little before 9.0.5

I didn’t know shit about the game

[hybrid vale]

As nelf I feel like subterfuge becomes more compelling no?

[limber lion]

Env if SND is about to drop > CT > Env

[hollow river]

No

[limber lion]

And that's true for all combinations

with and without Vend

[marble hemlock]

cev

[limber lion]

and with and without Shiv

sup

[marble hemlock]

heres a question

[frank axle]

thanks

[sharp wigeon]

when does the legion timewalking ends?

[hybrid vale]

Don’t you get another free empowered garrote window

[hollow river]

Nope

[marble hemlock]

whats the rupture timer cutoff for vendetta snapshotting, as in, at what duration do you not overwrite it but use a different finisher instead :>

[limber lion]

in 2 days

[hybrid vale]

Why….

Meld stealth doesn’t work anymore?

[gusty mirage]

You can’t meld to drop combat during boss fights

You’ll meld but no benefits of being in stealth

[hybrid vale]

Oh that’s horrific

[still creek]

y'all running crimson tempest or poison bomb for raid? If you had to choose one

[hybrid vale]

They all running CT

[hollow river]

Venthyr runs ct

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s a real

[limber lion]

That's a toughie, I don't think we've landed on a number. I usually find myself landing on the pandemic pretty naturally most of the time, but yeah, not entirely sure.

[marble hemlock]

hmye cuz sometimes im like

[still creek]

yea started wondering cause i feel everyone is running Ct but guide in the FAQ channel says PB

[marble hemlock]

"is it really worth to hit another 5cp one on this 9sec rupture when i could just get a full ct in instead"

[limber lion]

I've had moments where my Rupture would drop at 6s before Vend drops, so I just refresh and forget about it

yeaah

[marble hemlock]

cause sometimes youre like

[limber lion]

Might have to take a super close look into it

[marble hemlock]

"oh yeah i can totally ct at 5sec left, do 2 more mutilates and a garrote and a rupture" and then you cant

[hybrid vale]

The guide is antiquated

Apparently

[limber lion]

which guide

[hybrid vale]

@still creek

[limber lion]

yeah, read the pins

[hybrid vale]

One that says pb is the pic

[limber lion]

Pins are updated

pins in here that is

[marble hemlock]

Here's how guides work: Guides are written for a fundamental understanding of the spec. Fundamentally, for most covenants/legendaries/gearlevels etc, PB is the better choice. CT is only a better choice for this specific build. So a guide saying "play PB on st" isnt antiquated.

[limber lion]

@marble hemlock I'll try to look into it a bit more when I have time. Would probably help to set a clear foundation instead of feelcrafting it.

Yeah, PB is still probably the play for 3 out of the 4 covenants on single target, so makes sense to recommend it.

[hybrid vale]

I thought crimson tempest was just overall better with 4 set

[limber lion]

Not necessarily

Depends on the profile

[hybrid vale]

Prio cleave

St

[strange python]

I hate lords on this spec so much oh my god I finally get to a comfortable place with dots and they just disappear for among us and it’s just a scramble to get everything up again

And then slice is falling off because I can’t envenom properly 😭

Tier has made my favourite fight profile of 2 target into the most unenjoyable thing

[steel ridge]

kinda feel you on that one

[strange python]

Madge

[steel ridge]

4p makes 2 targets super hectic xD

[strange python]

yeah I hate it, :(

I don’t like using the word hate but I truly dislike the gameplay

[limber lion]

I hope you're playing Necrolord there

Because as Necro it's not that bad

You get your dots back up with the help of SBS

[strange python]

yeah I was, I’m just struggling ..

my slice kept nearly falling off

[tranquil lodge]

you can give zoldick a try there if you really dislike duskwalker, theoretically though dusk should give you more dmg

[strange python]

among everything else falling apart :”D

[hybrid vale]

It’s ok gamer

[strange python]

yeah true, it would probably be much more comfortable but just less damage

[hybrid vale]

You’ll get there

[marble hemlock]

also gets easier the faster amongus phase is done

might still have dots ticking if you refresh right before

if it takes 10+ seconds, then thats kinda meh

[blissful forge]

do we still play zoldyck on LoD?

with 4p

or do we go dusk

[strange python]

Constantly having to get off boss during heroic jailer was also a pain

My understanding is that dusk better

wait do you go zold on panth.. that sounds a lot more manageable

[blissful forge]

idk got my 4p since last week and since then i didnt played assa

before 4p i played zoldyck

[limber lion]

Yeah, Zoldyck is the better choice.

The cooldowns line up much better

[blissful forge]

aight

ty

thats why u play dusk in your top 1 parse? kekw

@limber lion 😛

[strange python]

:0 did not know this

[limber lion]

It's just a quick public heroic, my private log on mythic is much higher with Zoldyck.

[latent gazelle]

I feel like people are gonna take “zoldyck is the better choice” the wrong way and go full on with it

[tranquil lodge]

What Cev said, you just hold your first vendetta for the first aoe

[strange python]

Wait this makes me so happy I can just play zoldyk

[limber lion]

It's only on Lords though

[strange python]

Yeah

[latent gazelle]

^^

[limber lion]

And specifically for Lords

[strange python]

That’s fine by me

[limber lion]

Nothing else

[latent gazelle]

🤣🤣

[limber lion]

You play Dusk everywhere else

On every boss

[steel ridge]

zold not good for pantheon?

[limber lion]

Even Pantheon

[latent gazelle]

Good catch Cev

[iron orchid]

That's because you get vendett for every dmg increase phase ?

with 2m vend ?

[limber lion]

Nah, Dusk was better for Pantheon previously, but even more when they reduced the hp threshhold to 40%

[blissful forge]

i mean im just helping our offraid with LoD so zoldyk on 262 should be enough kekw

[strange python]

I mean if I get to use zold just once I’m good with it

[limber lion]

Correct, and don't have to send out 10s Vendettas before Among Us

Or be 10s late to the swarm phase because you sent it right after Among Us

[iron orchid]

That's also what i thought when i ran dusk first time on LoD

[limber lion]

It just sims a lot better for the fight.

And plays much better as well

[iron orchid]

I'll try this whenever i can

[steel ridge]

@limber lion whats your role on xymox mythic? tunneling boss or are you on plattforms?

[limber lion]

I do the second platform

Full boss would be better, but it is what it is.

[tranquil lodge]

that was my experience as well, although my duskwalker kill could have been played better so i think im going to try it again once we reclear

[limber lion]

:)

[tranquil lodge]

with zoldick, right?

[limber lion]

yep

[tranquil lodge]

yea it just seems better

[limber lion]

The difference isn't that big honestly

but it's just so much better to play

[tranquil lodge]

easily

[limber lion]

The awkward Vendetta in between the Swarm Vendettas is just awful

[mystic fractal]

do you always get flag on every other mfd with correct play? Hitting dummy today to familiarize

[limber lion]

Well, you should think of it the other way

where you hold MFD for Flag

[mystic fractal]

right

[limber lion]

But yes, you should always have every other MFD with every Flag

[mystic fractal]

so holding every other mfd for flag

and the in-between ones, I assume the optimal scenario is mfd env after shiv, but practically it's also good to refresh a dot?

whoever said it earlier about breaking your brain re: CT and juggling dots vs old env spam, they were right, this feels super weird to me having been away from assa for a while

[limber lion]

Yeah, it honestly doesn't matter what you use it on. Envenom during a Shiv is a safe bet.

I'm glad Envenom is treated as the filler ability it is

Because that's what it is

[mystic fractal]

yeah, it feels unique

[limber lion]

An ability you press when you have nothing else to press

[mystic fractal]

just going to be a bit of un-learning

[limber lion]

Yeh

[mystic fractal]

Cev i was looking up some top rogue parses to try to break down decision making on assa and you have been blasting

[limber lion]

:')

Most of my good parses on HC are private unfortunately and everything on Mythic is privated.

[mystic fractal]

i am doing heroic pleb raiding right now we are doing lords "prog" this week

[steel ridge]

whats the deal with the private logs?

[limber lion]

Guild wanted to try private logs on prog this time around

Will be going public after farm

[tranquil lodge]

most higher end guilds do it, though i know of a few that either dont or public them after prog

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[limber lion]

Yeah, all 3 top 30 guilds that I was in just had private logs all year around

Not going public even on farm

But Colour likes to do speedkills on farm to keep it spicy, so that's fun

[steel ridge]

with RWF being on stream, is there that much to hide?

[tranquil lodge]

the rationale is usually to disuade ook ook parse mentality from settling in

in some rare cases its to make it harder for your blasters to get poached

[steel ridge]

makes sense

hide yo kids, hide yo wives

[paper blaze]

sin rogue for m+ still going with necro or venth?

[limber lion]

Yes

[glass tulip]

keeps Scripe out of Cev's dms

perfecto who

[vestal wren]

i like that, i think more guilds should do so

[shy dust]

[viscid spear]

H Andy prog tonight

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[fleet whale]

Sin seems to be rising

[glass tulip]

smash him Ash

[viscid spear]

3rd week of trying, feel good about this time tho

[spice spire]

That’s wild I have 0 pulls on Andy

Guild must be blasting

[vestal wren]

thats nice, so we just need to keep a positive vibe to get more people interessted

[viscid spear]

Maybe if someone shows up

[vestal wren]

i hoped for more people to join the poison club with catalyst

[spice spire]

I’m still not showing tonight

Existence is pain

Wednesday looks good though. First day in a very long while that does

[viscid spear]

Looks like it's death for you, c'mere

[spice spire]

Buddy I welcome it

Hire movers

Either way you guys got it tonight

[rose dirge]

Hey guys

Trying bleed build currently

[viscid spear]

Might go Sub on Wednesday

[rose dirge]

But dont have any buff trinkets, is this a huge part?

Using tirathon betrayal as it sims highest, but i feel like getting sigil/quantum would be so much better

[viscid spear]

Bleed build?

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra you still in on anduin?

idk how i ended up back here

[thorn fjord]

We killed mythic sausage last night but i was on the bench

Because i already had the belt and the rest of the loot is doodoo

Did get mythic Skollex dagger last night tho 🙂

[viscid spear]

[rose dirge]

Yes bleed build

[viscid spear]

Explain

[subtle tundra]

mate... i was on it to replace a hunter last week
now that hunter was back and the other came late so i hopped in for 40 min
when the 2nd hunter came back, the first left so now im left whole night on anduin -.-

[ebon notch]

i dont know who we are missing but

i dont want to be here

[rose dirge]

Im wondering if sims doing bleed build and if buff trinkets are a lot better then just flat damage, since its small damage windows 😄

[strange python]

Sitting on anduin makes me happy

[ebon notch]

we are hardstuck p1

[subtle tundra]

literally random flag cds

i cant play it

i dont want to

[strange python]

We're running 5 locks and they're 150 pulls in and still in p1

[thorn fjord]

on Mythic?

[strange python]

Lol yes

[thorn fjord]

Ah ok lol they mentioned heroic earlier is why i asked

How many pulls did it take you guys to down Holandrus

[strange python]

Too many

[thorn fjord]

300+?

[strange python]

But we had roster changes due to rl shit

No, probably 230. But should've been 150.

[thorn fjord]

Heard.. Thats not AWFUL

[subtle tundra]

like 160

[ebon notch]

i havent gotten past the second flag

[strange python]

We probably lost HoF because of halondrus and now anduin.

[thorn fjord]

or Main tank quit on us 2 weeks ago so its kinda thrown a wrench in our cogs

[subtle tundra]

are you going down first or 2nd?

[strange python]

Yeah losing our two surv hunters before anduin wasn't great

[ebon notch]

you think im going down?

i straight up told them no

no fucking shot

[thorn fjord]

Way to be a team player

[subtle tundra]

im a substitute

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[subtle tundra]

so

im basically slave

[ebon notch]

???

[strange python]

Unless were goated on rygelon and jailer this will be the first tier in 4 years without HoF :(

[ebon notch]

do you understand just how bad we are downstairs

[strange python]

You'd have to play sub to do downstairs

[thorn fjord]

I've only done Andy using Sub

yeah

[strange python]

Sin has literally zero value on Andy downphase

[thorn fjord]

I go down 1st on heroic playing sin 😛

but that dont count

I'll be playing sub on Andy

Feels like sin on that fight overall is kinda sandbagging

but thats just me

[ebon notch]

heroic is w.e

completely different fight to mythic

staying upstairs as assa is kinda fine

nice cleave on the adds good boss dam

[strange python]

Imo sub is pretty strictly better on that fight

One of the few

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

100%

[strange python]

Better aoe if needed, better target swap if needed, better funnel if needed

Most other fights are at least arguable

[thorn fjord]

It’s just easier

[strange python]

The one thing is that a flag>vend on intermission soul is pretty absurd, since sin usually bursts higher than sub this tier, but I think you'd need a second vend to outpace two symbols

[violet jackal]

i don't think anyone is understanding your terminology of "bleed build"

[heavy vessel]

Exsang?

[spice spire]

As assassination we’ll always bleed as that ups our energy regen. If you mean exsang, then no, we’re not using exsang because alacrity is literally too good

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra holy fuck i almost got sent down

im fighting for my life here

[spice spire]

[kindred heron]

man I've been trying to adjust the APL and raid event stuff in simc to try to replicate LoD

and I've gotta tell you i have a newfound respect for our simmers this shit is hard

[bleak sky]

cev did one a few weeks ago

you can prob still find it

OH NVM

[vestal wren]

you can just copy/paste it from my spreadsheet 😉

[bleak sky]

it was for pantheon, forget what I said

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[ebon notch]

nvm

im going down

get me out

[bleak sky]

get rolled loser

[kindred heron]

YOO Thank you!!

[bleak sky]

[kindred heron]

Didnt even notice that was a section in there

[vestal wren]

raid_events+="/vulnerable,first=50,duration=20,cooldown=140"

[limber lion]

I have done stuff for LOD as well :¨)

[kindred heron]

@vestal wren is it just the raid event, or does it also force vendetta hold for the vuln?

[vestal wren]

it does not change anything for the vuln

so you would need to do that manual, and find what is worth

if cev did work on that, maybe he has a modified apl already

i did some hacks for sub when push asked me, but most things are rly just to add a hold condition for the raid event

[limber lion]

Yeah, so I did a bit of a workaround

By having the sim use vulnerability on pull

and together with cooldowns after that

[oak sky]

It was never a choice

[hollow escarp]

so will the APL hold vendetta for that vulnerability point?

[vestal wren]

only if you modify it

[hollow escarp]

I see

[oak sky]

I already know our warlock is gonna get to stay up and ill have to go dkwn

[limber lion]

But anyways

The answer is simple

play Zoldyck

Necrolord

2222223

nothing else matters

[bleak sky]

and hold vend for first swarm?

[limber lion]

Yes

And then you get them for every swarm

Sending one Flag on its own between cds

[bleak sky]

great sounds simple enough

[limber lion]

Lmao just kidding

we don't play venthyr on that shit boss

you don't have to think about flag ever

[vestal wren]

you can add raid_event.vulnerable.up or similar conditions

[bleak sky]

yea yea

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

but yeah

[bleak sky]

I said flag on auto

[limber lion]

vend on swarms

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

Necrolord master race

[kindred heron]

I tried to add a vendetta condition to use if "raid_event.vulnerable.in" (cooldown on raid event) > vendetta cooldown, but its not quite enough as something is still going wrong

[half igloo]

I've got a probably stupid question but can't seem to have answer in faq or pinned

[ebon notch]

[vestal wren]

no, you need to actually modify the vendetta lines for example

so you e.g. add the above with a | condition to check when the next raid event is

[kindred heron]

ahh

[vestal wren]

so basically "is vulnerability up" OR "is vulnerability even within next X secs"

[half igloo]

How impactful is sylvanas dagger on assa? For m+ or raid, I want to pick up rogue again but rly cba doing old content, from what I understand both sub and outlaw gain a shit ton from sylv daggers, does assa also benefit a shit ton from it or does assa just want ilvl on weapons? O_o

[limber lion]

Not at all

We just want ilvl

[vestal wren]

so that it holds vendetta f.ex. when the vulnerability is up, or waits if the next event is close

[half igloo]

Niice

[kindred heron]

yeah that makes sense!

[half igloo]

I'll be playing assa for the first time then 🤔

[kindred heron]

I'll keep workshopping the sim to try to optimize for fun, but with what you already have + cev's input I def have enough to at least play the fight haha

Thx

[limber lion]

You have to take into consideration all cds when doing that, meaning Vend/Shiv/Vanish/SBS/Sigil/Potion/Lust and so on

It's a bit of a chore to do a custom sim like that

Might make a sim where your character only uses cooldowns during the vulnerability, which causes you to sit on Shiv for a minute and letting SBS charges cap

Gotta be careful when playing around with holding logic

But a very simple solution is to just make a no-variance sim of like 8mins 45s, sending it and taking note how the sim uses cooldowns on that fight type

and then just putting the vulnerability in the beginning and together with all the Vend casts that the sim does

There's not much variance because we don't play Duskwalkers/Obedience, so it should be a decent choice

[vestal wren]

only issue is that you create a very optimal scenario for it then

[limber lion]

and you don't have to play around with the apl

[ebon notch]

guys im pretty fuckin important downstairs

make some fuckin room for me yeah?

[vestal wren]

insane valuable

[limpid sonnet]

guys is there also a 4p bug relating to extra engry etc?

i feel like my spec shuts down sometimes

[limber lion]

Don't think so

Not sure what you're referring to

[limpid sonnet]

like suddenly my enegry regen becoems SO SLOW

[ebon notch]

do your bleeds maybe fully drop off during your vendetta?

cause then you wont be regening any energy

[limpid sonnet]

hmmm wait i think my poisons ran out mid fight....

[limber lion]

lmao.

[drifting cloud]

[limpid sonnet]

yeeeeeeeeee

haha

like mid opener

[ebon notch]

sounds like a bug

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

cev could you get on that?

[limber lion]

stfu

[limpid sonnet]

big bug can we get Ion on this?

[ebon notch]

[limpid sonnet]

we need bill gates himself for this

[errant willow]

How much haste do you need as assa ( %) ? Playin only sub im tryna test assa a bit

[vestal wren]

i have a big wa, so that this does not happen to me

[ebon notch]

you gotta sim it

my sim has put me around 24% rn

[errant willow]

sitting around 17% thats very low imo

[spice spire]

Greater than 0

[vestal wren]

assassination likes haste so it will invest more into haste if possible than in other stats

[ebon notch]

i saw that

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

all mastery build when

[vestal wren]

there is no requirement tho, it just makes sense to focus on crit/haste

[spice spire]

I’m not oshosi

[errant willow]

Yeah i saw, need to farm more haste gear then 😭😭

[drifting cloud]

no just more ilvl, but doesnt hurt if it has haste on it

[violet jackal]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1Qt22cbzI1YMy9WwfLOPNGj8oMQZZxakXgMxonZpLp8/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/964752042549739550/unknown.png

whispyr posted this last week ish

[cold rampart]

is it fine to use wand on halondrus ?

[ebon notch]

so more stat more dam yes?

[violet jackal]

more item level over stats, and whore eeverything from M+

[karmic crypt]

so is this CoS ring a must have for assasination?

[violet jackal]

it's very good

[vestal wren]

it is "bis"

[drifting cloud]

if bis means must have for you then yes

[karmic crypt]

if i want to off spec ass for holondrus etc in mythic

main spec sub

[vestal wren]

#assassination message

[bleak sky]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[violet jackal]

it's not the end of the world if you don't get the ring you can still hit your buttons just the same

[drifting cloud]

I mean ring might be bis for sub aswell, maybe if you have 2x 278 from vault its close

[bleak sky]

I don't see why it'd be any different on halondrus

[vestal wren]

^ its not ahead by a lot, i mentioned the alternatives close to that post

[cold rampart]

cuz pure single

[vestal wren]

i did only sim the aa ring for sub with the halondrus estimate

and it was not better on kyrian

[limber lion]

literally does not matter

haste is my 2nd worst stat currently

you're putting WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much emphasis on stats

just get ilvl

nothing else matters

just ilvl

[vestal wren]

stats are fairly close on sin to my knowlage, so not wrong

[limber lion]

once you're high ilvl and have the same ilvl piece to choose from, then you can look at stats

but if you get an item that is higher ilvl

you pick it

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wgiXJBVXpEAMDwPWxBHYRY/simc

[bleak sky]

mastery

[vestal wren]

it makes sense in this case

[limber lion]

Yeh that's what it looks like for me, except crit is my worst stat

[vestal wren]

because it only adds stats

and the gear set uses low mastery

[limber lion]

Mastery = Vers > Haste > Crit for me :)))

[vestal wren]

but high haste/crit

[limber lion]

but yeh

makes no difference

stop looking at stats

period

[vestal wren]

base stats:

i am actually surprised crit is still that high

given the sim already has close to 1k of it

[fleet whale]

more crits= bigger numbers, bigger damage

[gusty mirage]

You >>>> Everyone Else >= Me

[ebon notch]

so they keep me upstairs

downstairs damage is inconsistent

they send me down

upstairs is inconsistent

[limpid sonnet]

solution is to remove you wholly. both sides inconsistent == no one is inconsistent

[strange python]

Go sub

[strange python]

Does vend not come up with flag on lords for some reason?

Wait zoldy. Ignore. Am dum

[ebon notch]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-bunny-no-nope-nou-gif-14651222

[strange python]

Be miserable then?

I'd rather play sub with bamboo shoots up my ass than play sin on prog anduin

[white gull]

any guide for the new venthyr crimson tempest mfd build?

[limber lion]

PINS

[ebon notch]

not miserable

wdym

[white gull]

Do u aim for 100% uptime on crimson tempest?

[oak sky]

Like a proper 1 trick

We have both our warriors back today

[ebon notch]

i killed half the mythic bosses as sub wdym

i am very talented :3

[oak sky]

L nerd

No talent here only sinners

[ebon notch]

hows your akaaris coming along

[oak sky]

Its not

Im still too poor

[fleet whale]

just buy a wow token

[oak sky]

"Just spend money on a game you already pay a sub fee for"

Dont want to

I might do some m+ boosts this week if im ever online when my guildies also are

[mystic fractal]

idk how much 291 neck costs on your server, but it's like 1-2h of herbing /mining on a druid on mine

[oak sky]

40k or something

Not very much i just cant spare any gold rn

[bleak sky]

Go skinning/herbing

One of the two, farm for a bit

[misty comet]

Is clipping envenom still a thing? Should I be waiting for the buff to run down so that I get the full benefits of the new cast, or should I just be ripping them off as fast as possible?

[subtle tundra]

nope

[brazen zodiac]

@oak sky whats erver

[oak sky]

Tich

Im probably just gonna boost some m+ with guild if i ever have time

[indigo mulch]

[hollow escarp]

nice

[true pelican]

assuming I play both at an equal level are there any advantages for sin over sub on mythic halondrus?

[hollow escarp]

not really

[true pelican]

logs seem to show sin doing more dmg but that may just be sample size

[hollow escarp]

if you have good weapons, you can do nice damage on assa

I tried assa first day of halondrus prog and then I decided I'm gonna keep playing assa

the double shadowstep is nice, but not really necessary

[oak sky]

Its safe to assume sub will do more unless ur a sick sin player or have sick sin gear+ sub has better value from halondrus not having a front

[drifting cloud]

the value is apprently only like 150 dps

compared to assa

[cunning locust]

is tirathon>faulty? sims say they are equal, but numbers on faulty's tooltip looks bigger. Also pretty damn surprised by that egg trinket

[oak sky]

Theyre equal

[cunning locust]

ty, looks like tira got more proc chance

[bleak sky]

I mean

your trinkets might just be bad

[echo geyser]

egg kinda bussin

i want it

[spice spire]

2 days mister ramfam

[echo geyser]

maybe that dungeon is spicy

has anyone tried it?

[hollow escarp]

not hard

might be some fiesta on the dragon boss

wait

that's EoA

it's not that bad

[tropic rover]

Double legendary with 2pc is still Venthyr for ST?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tropic rover]

👍

[versed mica]

UGH THIS IS HELL

Hard to get into CoS pugs when no one invite me

[misty holly]

Don't worry, ring doesn't drop anyways.

Passed 150 runs now. No ring 😦

[ember mural]

next one for sure

[obtuse robin]

the shorter the fight the better sin does over sub

[strange python]

I had ct as my top damage on jailer ? o.o

Doesn’t seem right

[wide ridge]

Kinda uber garbage that CT can be parried huh

imagine an aoe ability being parried

[balmy condor]

I mean, can be with enough adds

[strange python]

Jailer tho xd

There’s like one add phase

[fleet anchor]

I mean logs don't merge DP

On ST CT is pretty close to the top damage

[strange python]

Oh okay

Considering uptime was tough ig ct pulled ahead

[fleet anchor]

Like if you look at even ST sims for CT build with my gear

wouldn't really take many adds for CT to pull ahead tbh

[oak sky]

i got 3 motes in a row then the fucking mote bomb

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[bleak sky]

play better I guess agreon

[strange python]

You get motes every time

On lihuv mythic

[oak sky]

no

it was a different thing

[strange python]

O

[oak sky]

the add motes

[strange python]

The intermission adds?

I've literally never gotten one of those xD

[oak sky]

ye

i got 2

[strange python]

Better for the raid since you'll already be out kekw

Hold vend for first schematic btw

[oak sky]

ive been on prog for 3 days

[rocky sluice]

took me 8 hours to get a ring

still trying to get faulty

[heady wagon]

If I am just looking to do M+, is Necrolord preferable over venthyr? Or do you switch cov's depending on fort (necro) and tyrannical (venth)?

[hollow river]

halondrus soon™️

[oak sky]

1 hour left of this week

[hollow river]

😐

we're like ~3 hours into halondrus

started getting into p2

[gusty mirage]

how

[oak sky]

we had no warrior until today

[hollow river]

probably comp

and

[oak sky]

we're like 70 pulls in rn

something like that

[hollow river]

we killed it pretty quickly

[oak sky]

its been 2 full days and like an hour on another day

[hollow river]

like 1.5 nights

[oak sky]

congrats on being in a better guild than me

like everyone else

[hollow river]

you guys will get it

and you guys probably cleared other bosses faster than we did

like sausage

i think we took the longest on sausage out of all of them so far

like ~2+ nights

[spice spire]

Deadass your guild can’t be that bad. You’re in it, king.

[hollow river]

yeah we had 40ish wipes on sausage

24 wipes on xymox

40ish wipes on lihuvim

i think less actually because some of those are from reclear

[oak sky]

nah we're awful

[hollow river]

xymox 20 pulls, pantheon 40, lihuvim 40,

and sausage was 40 ye

😐

[oak sky]

check our progstats or whatever

[hollow river]

we're US167 atm though

can't complain i suppose

what's your guild's name again

i forgor

[oak sky]

imposters

[hollow river]

thats right

[bleak sky]

imposters?

[hollow river]

yeah you guys did way better on desausage bro

24 pulls

[bleak sky]

[hollow river]

pantheon in 22??

you guys are hiding some wipes somewhere o.o

US276 atm as soon as you down lihuvim EZ sub 200

[bleak sky]

pantheon is not a hard boss though?

22 is fine

[hollow river]

imo it is compared to lihuvim

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

idk some guilds find other bosses more difficult i guess

i wasn't in on pantheon

so that explains it

[balmy condor]

I think lihuvim is more complicated positioning

[hollow river]

we kill some bosses fast af

[balmy condor]

but panth in 22 is some demon shit

[hollow river]

and then just troll on the easier bosses

but our goal is ~US200

i think we can manage it ez

[drifting cloud]

our fist kill was 7 pulls, rekill was more

[oak sky]

we just failed the last add set

we prob wouldve killed

[drifting cloud]

wait how do you fail the last add set

shit cc?

[oak sky]

the degen

[drifting cloud]

oh so after theyre dead already

[oak sky]

we just didnt kill the schematic

[drifting cloud]

oh

[oak sky]

sounds like our guardian last tier

[bleak sky]

isn't your guild actually cracked though?

[oak sky]

hes in a 2 day

[drifting cloud]

ehh were okay

definetly not cracked lol

crabbo is still alive :p

3% tho!

[gusty mirage]

wdym

they have world renowned gamer Ryler

they're cracked

[drifting cloud]

venthyr assa timers on crabbo are actually pain when you fuck up

but when you do it properly atleast with how we play damn do they line up nicely

[gusty mirage]

Ryler you're my new fav EU rogue

Cev's been replaced

[drifting cloud]

Id take cev over me easily

be smart

[gusty mirage]

Cev has been neglecting me emotionally

[drifting cloud]

man jailer only has 21 kills this tier really wilding

[hollow river]

damn really lmao

i didn't know that

[drifting cloud]

and a few of those chinese kills are actually just INSANE

one of them, not sure which I was counting their wipes

it was like 1.5k across the raid

or maybe even more

[hollow river]

what was 1.5k across the raid

their amount of wipes?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[hollow river]

that's ridiculous isn't it?

[drifting cloud]

I probably even undersold it, let me find the guild

[hollow river]

like all day everyday smashing your head against every boss?

[drifting cloud]

but they basically had 500+ on crab

into 400 on anduin

[hollow river]

jesesu christ

that's so bad

so they just play literally nonstop and bash their heads against every boss

they got it done though ig, shit

[drifting cloud]

oh no I undersold it by alot

https://raider.io/guilds/cn/scarlet-crusade/超界 (Chao Jie)

2200 wipes

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

holy fuckk lmao

[wild beacon]

wipe until you fluke the kill

[drifting cloud]

echo had half of that for wf for example

and they have to make strats on alot of the bosses

and alot of their wipes are pre 2 lego rygelon

or well pre 2? nerfs aswell lmao

[versed mica]

it's over

i got the ring on a +2

thank god

[oak sky]

we failed

[glass tulip]

agreon you still have 9 hours

do it brother

[oak sky]

Lihuvim failed bro

Next week

We could literally 1shot it

Lol

[scarlet warren]

236 fcm after 4 runs

poggers

[vestal wren]

gz

[kindred crescent]

got the ring 236 and it is 30 dps less than my current ring :/

[zinc frost]

What are you comparing it to?

[kindred crescent]

262 ring with same stats

[zinc frost]

Both at 262 or is the signet at 236 still?

[kindred crescent]

signet 236

i thought it would be crazy simming because people were offering so much for it

[real bay]

ilvl makes a big difference

it increases the AA dmg

[zinc frost]

Yeah I thought you were comparing them both at 262..

[prime robin]

You can upgrade signet to 272 with valor right?

😄

[zinc frost]

Yes

[kindred crescent]

oh okay great

[prime robin]

Are people going for faulty countermeasure as well or not?

[zinc frost]

You can but it’s Not as good as raid trinkets and some other m + ones like totem and IQD

[prime robin]

Okay 👍🏻

I won’t then got 278 totem

[zinc frost]

FCM was just insane for us last tier because of frost set and crit

[prime robin]

Ahhh

[brave trench]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

it is also the fact that item level is higher and that raid trinkets are strong this tier

also phial is nerfed

strengh of a system like trinkets is a consequence of a lot of factors.
domination def. did contribute tho

[native belfry]

How do you think, are we getting any tunes? My fok still deals no damage, would be nice to have another 30%

[vestal wren]

i am not sure what you mean

sin is at least in a raid setting in a decent position, so i don't think it get tuned

for mythic plus, i am unsure how much focus is set on tuning it

[zinc frost]

We would need a rework at this stage. Doubt we will see anything this expansion, would be nice tho

[vestal wren]

assassination isn't that much worse in m+ than in other seasons tho

[glass tulip]

something's gotta change, feels like we dont have very much power without covenant abilties

maybe that's just me

[zinc frost]

Agreed

[tacit pebble]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[shadow helm]

ass

[native belfry]

I mean, would be nice to deal more damage on a class that brings 0 raid utility

[oak sky]

Idk man we're in the top couple on damage

5th at worst i think

[vestal wren]

but you have covenant abilities

[native belfry]

Enh still sims like 1k higher than us, doesn’t it?

[vestal wren]

we won't lose them till next xpac

and next xpac is 🎲 lets see who gets the best roll

[glass tulip]

get ready to pick dragon flight ability

pog

spec rotation solely based on borrowed power

[versed mica]

I hope they focus on doing a rework on some specs, rework on talents, and making new expansion unlocks purely cosmetic, with maybe a very minor borrowed power system that the hardcore players can farm out

I think shadowlands would have been a lot better if covenants were cosmetic only

[oak sky]

I think theyre good with all the qol we have now

[native belfry]

Anyone has a working IQD WA? Mine doesn’t seem to show me when I’m gonna give mana to healers

Also, since I needed to spec sub on xymox for adds to die, any tips? Should it be venthyr with finality?

[oak sky]

if the only thing that matters is add damage then yeah

[thin gate]

Guys if i cba to play sub in m+ whats better overall? Got haste versa duelist gear, should i go necro assa with duskblade or kyrian outlaw?

[oak sky]

neither one is bad

just play what you like unless you want to push really high

[thin gate]

I mean outlaw kinda meh without 30% crit

[oak sky]

there arent breakpoints

outlaw doesnt need any % anything

[thin gate]

Tbh 3-3k5 at End of season is enough for me

I just dont enjoy Spamming blackpowder

[versed mica]

[shadow helm]

lords of bread

[thin gate]

And haste on sub pretty meh

[thin gate]

I c, currently i got the pistol shot legendary on outlaw should I go for slice n dice?

[shadow helm]

black powder spamming if ur a padlord

[tacit pebble]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dMJEZZm3FNXwEVNXEwA73B nadjia within 17 dps on ST, do i say fuck tubbins umbrella lol

[oak sky]

celerity for outlaw yeah

[thin gate]

Aight, thanks

[glass tulip]

up to you, can always change to theo, roll tea, then go nadj if you don't like it

[thin gate]

Btw any 1 knows a cheesy way to push lacking covenants quick?

[tacit pebble]

interestingly my teas all simmed within 4 dps of one another, so thats not a real worry for me, i think its just movement on the fight and whether dauntless duelist is overly restrictive or not

[glass tulip]

base item goes to 40, then literally anything

[oak sky]

torgy

[glass tulip]

raiding, ZM campaign

dungeons'

torgy 9s

[oak sky]

campaign if u havent done it yet is pretty fast

[glass tulip]

pvp

[thin gate]

Pvp? I did 500 games still Lvl 60 nf

[glass tulip]

L

[oak sky]

is that even possible

to get stuck before 80 like that

[thin gate]

Well not all games as nf tho

[glass tulip]

sounds like a you problem then

[thin gate]

Thanks for the motivating words

[glass tulip]

I did comp stomp + torghast for all of mine

[thin gate]

Aight ty

[glass tulip]

was decently fast and stocked up on leggo mats so I never have to go in again

[oak sky]

yep

same here

i did all 4 covenants in the last few weeks before 9.2

no regrets other than getting gaslit into nf

[thin gate]

L9 is 1 or 2 covenant Levels?

[oak sky]

1, but not guaranteed

[thin gate]

K, ty

[glass tulip]

I did mine at 9.1.5 week as soon as materials got slightly boosted

[oak sky]

i definitely delayed

[shadow helm]

furry covenant

[oak sky]

i wanted to see which covs would actually matter

then it turned out all of them would

[thin gate]

Today 6pm the Big Hype

[glass tulip]

I am kind of a completionist, but very selectively

so I went ahead and did all to be ready for the worst

[shadow helm]

is there a bigger sad

no faulty no edge of night

no gf

[thin gate]

I hope 10.0 has torghast again

[glass tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/foss-no-bitches-no-hoes-0bitches-no-gif-24529727

[oak sky]

u high or?

[thin gate]

Safe your Money, dont Listen to em

[thin gate]

Mentally broken

[balmy condor]

Fine, Hi how are you

[shadow helm]

idk why people hate torghast

[oak sky]

because they made us do it every week for like 2 months

for 2 patches

[thin gate]

Maybe because of the X00 runs

[glass tulip]

because its a disgustingly awful piece of garbage that was forced down our throats for months

and our spec specifically suffered in soloing it at the recommended ilvls

[thin gate]

I have seen tarrague more than my Family

[oak sky]

if it was a one time thing in the campaign that was just an option to get soul ash and then it had tc and jailers gauntlet and all the cool shit

it wouldve been great

[shadow helm]

i love torghast

amde me more money than ah

[glass tulip]

yeah you are in the vast vast minority

[oak sky]

i just think its boring ive done it too many times

[shadow helm]

making gold not boring

[oak sky]

yes it is

lol

making gold is extremely boring

imo*

[glass tulip]

making gold in wow is literally trading your time away for virtual money

[oak sky]

i can never justify it

ergo im poor

[glass tulip]

you take your time to make convenience for everyone else, that is literally what the AH is

[thin gate]

I mean visions, torghast all of it was fine if it woulnt be forced for a whole patch or even longer

[glass tulip]

I do it raiding, so I at least feel like I am practicing

that is my copium

[oak sky]

yeah i wouldnt mind boosting raid

i like raiding

m+ is ok so i could at least handle boosting that

[thin gate]

After 9.1 Torghast should have been for cosmetics and mounts but Not leggo ressources

[craggy oak]

Forceing players to run something that is nothing more than a time sink for power upgrades will always be hated

[glass tulip]

but when I do it twice a day and we wipe at least twice on jailer every time bc people suck

[shadow helm]

so raids

[oak sky]

twice a day man

i would just want to do it once a week or so

[thin gate]

I mean Azeroth necklace and Artefact weapons was nice

[craggy oak]

No, neck sucked

Weps were good

[oak sky]

the only thing people should have to do consistently is direct progression stuff like weeklies and their content of choice tbh

[craggy oak]

^^^^

[glass tulip]

ie cosmic flux

except they actually gave us way way way too much

[oak sky]

shit complaint

i love swimming in it

[craggy oak]

Ye if you want to lock something behind a grind, make sure that grind can be done in raid, keys or arena

[glass tulip]

i do too, dont even think about it

but I think that is a design flaw

[oak sky]

only thing they couldve done without it feeling shit is a weekly soft cap or something

not a hard cap because thats ass

[glass tulip]

to not have 23k by the end of week 1 lol

[oak sky]

but a soft cap couldve been ok

[glass tulip]

more than I already will ever use on main