I've been running heroic cache on mostly everything
#assassination
slow marsh
Pure sigil seems nice for farm
timid cloud
& Anduin.
oak sky
278
slow marsh
yeah then run that over earthbreaker imo
I'd run it if i had 278
until i got 278 cache
and even then i'd probs think about double on use
timid cloud
Seems too cluttery, wouldn’t a Phial be just fine?
oak sky
phial is fine
slow marsh
phial is for sure fine
oak sky
im phial/sigil rn
timid cloud
Yeah, it feels decent.
slow marsh
i haven't simmed double on use vs 272 phial but its not as bad as it seems
oak sky
this is all im gonna say
strange python
Sigil+phial/iqd/cache all seem fine
slow marsh
yeah but cache is only -20 and that's pure ST
strange python
Sigil weirdly Sims terribly for me
strange python
I'm praying sigil/phial winds up better. Iqd and cache kinda obnoxious to use
oak sky
like always
strange python
And I got my first 278 phial this patch
strange python
I hate earth breakers in raid as sub
Too much shit going on to see it
Or I'm blind
slow marsh
i have a 265 earthbreaker and it's okk yeah same stab
slow marsh
alkso how do you have double 278 daggers + 278 sigil and I still outsim you by like 200 dps
strange python
It's just impossible to see the things on pull on some bosses
strange python
Skill issue tbh
oak sky
i have no other mythic gear
slow marsh
oh na neck
oak sky
and a shitty neck
timid cloud
I broke 15 today I think without the teas.
slow marsh
ye
oak sky
so
timid cloud
We on the way up.
fallow canopy
for a boomer tonight was a good night
oak sky
if i ever find some gold ill have unity hat
but its not looking likely
im worth 10k rn
timid cloud
Just loot a boe.
oak sky
i did
slow marsh
I never had to recraft it
oak sky
timid cloud
slow marsh
I didn't craft 291 unity until after i got my 4p
oak sky
they got another one and sold it
spice spire
wide ridge
big shoutout to my homie bubblewrap
strange python
Tell him he's an honorary rogue today. We all stan bubblewrap
oak sky
a group of 5 of us were slamming vaults and cos before raid
we got our mage prism
lol i pulled an elegy
a healer will love that
fallow otter
we got our mage prism
is it good for any other classes than arcane?
fallow otter
ah ye
oak sky
bro our lihuvim is so scuffed 
slow marsh
But did you kill it
brazen zodiac
monday for usre
split grail
Hmm...alot of the top parses on halondrus heroic are running master assassin instead on sub. Why would that be?
zinc frost
You mean sin? It’s because venth is better
split grail
...man, I can't wait until covenants go away. This is all too complicated for me. I play sin becasue it's supposed to be simple
rotund oak
got it boys after a fuckton of runs
Massive 👌
oak sky
...man, I can't wait until covenants go away. This is all too complicated for me...
ur gonna love dragon aspects 
slow marsh
Kekw
I actually like the core idea of the covenants and hope they reuse it for the aspects
oak sky
solid venture
Sir you are carrying forbidden goods, I'm afraid I will have to confiscate your ring
stray mural
Unsure if it was worth the valor but I got one anyways 🤔
vestal wren
big gz
latent dew
Unsure if it was worth the valor but I got one anyways 🤔
Not sure yet if it counts for "auto attack dmg itself" or the dmg count number u get at the end
thin trout
Super gz
slow marsh
Unsure if it was worth the valor but I got one anyways 🤔
Instant socket boiio
thin trout
Need to farm these myself
stray mural
Instant socket boiio
Yeah, that’s the plan for when I open a bad vault. I haven’t had a bad reset yet where the tokens were appealing
primal walrus
oak sky
zzzzz
dusk void
!rotation
Whelp that didn't work. What is the priority with the 4 piece like pandemic windows, refresh and what not. With Duskwalkers and 4 piece, Flag doesnt align anymore.
slow marsh
And this affects you how ?
slow marsh
Whelp that didn't work. What is the priority with the 4 piece like pandemic wind...
Third pin
Which is
candid badger
got it boys after a fuckton of runs
no socket or avoidance… better keep going
gusty mirage
Why don't you try taking a shot at making a graphic instead of complaining about the one fuu put together for us?
oak sky
hes gonna do it bro
solid venture
gusty mirage
I wasn't trying to be funny
But you didn't have to be a dick
You tagged me to bitch about a graphic bud
alpine radish
Good luck eu boys
jovial spear
Is Phial still insanely good? Currently have HC First Sigil and HC earthbreaker
gusty mirage
Is Phial still insanely good? Currently have HC First Sigil and HC earthbreaker
It's pretty good, but not what it used to be.
jovial spear
It's pretty good, but not what it used to be.
So rather get 278 Tier hands than Phial then I guess
flint raptor
hey guys, should i go for a NHC setpiece (shoulder) or a 278er item from m+ and recraft it?
gusty mirage
So rather get 278 Tier hands than Phial then I guess
do you already have 4pc?
flint raptor
no, i just have 1 piece
jovial spear
do you already have 4pc?
yup, have 5pc tbh
gusty mirage
I'd snag phial then tbh, you can always catalyst 278 gloves later if lihuvim refuses to drop you some
jovial spear
true true
gusty mirage
no, i just have 1 piece
what ilvl are the shoulders?
cuz fwiw @jovial spear the phial is stop a top 10 trinket esp at max ilvl
flint raptor
259, nhc lvl
slow marsh
hey guys, should i go for a NHC setpiece (shoulder) or a 278er item from m+ and ...
If you only have 1p tier you might wanna just stock pile your catalyst charges tbh and hold on to some 278
flint raptor
maybe i wait until i have some bosses down and choose than
flint raptor
thanks guys
gusty mirage
and it's probably better than earthbreaker for sin & 1 less on use which is less annoying to deal with
novel arrow
I can't remember. Does our mastery affect envenom?
gusty mirage
ye
dim tide
phial or chest - hmm, i think Phial, i can craft 272 chest in ZM factory
onyx raptor
Phial is still bis for sin and prolly bis till the end of the patch, i would go for phial any day tho cuz also if you have a mythic raid chest you can drop 285 tier even if you hadn't killed the boss for it
dim tide
ye, i think same
onyx raptor
You take the chest and give the phial <:Sinscheme:540181921913896971>
Same
dim tide
i got lucky with phial - every patch i got it in max 3-4 vaults ;]
onyx raptor
Damn, i always get it last :))
dim tide
from the start of 9.2 i got IQD, Sack and now Phial in Vault
onyx raptor
And i took sockets on my second vault
rancid nimbus
I havent seen a phial in my vault. Whole exp. Sadge.
rigid tartan
Phial is still bis for sin and prolly bis till the end of the patch, i would go ...
I haven’t looked into how the catalyst works with itemlevel changes. Is there a nice resource somewhere? Like I haven’t seen anything regarding having a 278 piece and making it 285
dim tide
onyx raptor
I haven’t looked into how the catalyst works with itemlevel changes. Is there a ...
Nah nah, you you kill 2 bosses for mythic raid slot in vault you can get 285 tier from what i know
From that vault slot
rigid tartan
Thx for clarifying
gusty mirage
From that vault slot
ye that's correct
you can roll tier in ANY vault slot, even if you haven't killed the boss
and if you roll it in a mythic raid box and it's tier off the last couple it's 285
onyx raptor
And Tindr has a mythic vault slot in there so it's safe to say he can drop 285 tier from that in a later week
And if he gets more mythic bosses vault slots every week the chances get higher and higher
While phial has like 1% ish drop rate?
gusty mirage
probably less now w/ tier being able to roll in m+ slots
dim tide
from m+ max u got is 278(if u finish 15) and from raid u can get tier set of max level (285 for mythic)
onyx raptor
Yup sounds bout right
Question is now should i open the vault as sin or outlaw since i got 2 278 daggers already
On the other hand there are less daggers than one handers so higher chance for phial
placid cobalt
Hi guys are we still looking for vault of the warden trinket this patch or only cos ring?
onyx raptor
Depends on what you have and what you can get
gusty mirage
Hi guys are we still looking for vault of the warden trinket this patch or only ...
the 2 trinkets from vault are okay, I personally wouldn't go out of my way to farm them but if you do a run every now and then and get lucky its worth. CoS ring is giga for sin still
vestal wren
time to go farm cos ring
good luck
gusty mirage
time to go farm cos ring
just had a havoc dh steal one from me 🙂
onyx raptor
Gonna have to farm it this weekend myself, have a socket ready for it too
ebon notch
just had a havoc dh steal one from me 🙂
kill him
slow marsh
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/365z2C5xonmaRWsM9wziFP
You should sim a deadly ring instead of quick btw
gusty mirage
You should sim a deadly ring instead of quick btw
whatchu mean, daps is already deadly enough
you see that sim?
SHEESH
slow marsh
Ik I'm trying to help him win more
gusty mirage
if the man was any deadlier, he'd be in prison
ebon notch
You should sim a deadly ring instead of quick btw
crit heavy you mean?
ebon notch
if the man was any deadlier, he'd be in prison
im simming from prison
they have a great raidbots plan
gusty mirage
slow marsh
Might already be far enough into crit that it's not worth but heavy crit haste/mast was like +40-50 for me
oak sky
just had a havoc dh steal one from me 🙂
the mage that stole my boe got me the socketed cos ring
i almost forgave him
ebon notch
Might already be far enough into crit that it's not worth but heavy crit haste/m...
hold on ill do a very highly regarded statweights sim
that should put this issue to bed
gusty mirage
hold on ill do a very highly regarded statweights sim
slow marsh
Never
gusty mirage
lets see the numbers
oak sky
hes gonna get cos ring bro
gusty mirage
make sure you update your pawn string too
slow marsh
I openly flamed someone in raid earlier for mentioning stat weights unironically
slow marsh
the crafted
Would you farm a dungeon for +40 dps?
oak sky
stat weights my beloved ❤️
slow marsh
So would you pay 10k for the same
oak sky
cant afford 10k for the same
slow marsh
Well then git gud nerd
slow marsh
Dang I thought I was poor hovering 100k
oak sky
tich
slow marsh
It's your cursed neck
ebon notch
It's your cursed neck
take that back rn
gusty mirage
osh didn't live long enough to see his madness become a reality
mastery actually strong af now
slow marsh
take that back rn
No
slow marsh
My deadly ring is crit mastery too
And I almost crafted crit mastery unity but it was only +2 dps
slow marsh
I put cheat codes
slow marsh
I need boots bad
Tryna get those juicy crit mast boots while I grind cos later ya feel
slow marsh
Also I was very sad I didn't get mythic cache tonight
oak sky
just get sigil instead
slow marsh
Cache better but I wasn't even in on pantheon anyways
gusty mirage
Cache better but I wasn't even in on pantheon anyways
that's a blessing
that boss fucking sucks
plain jewel
hey guys, with 4pc bonus, when i press vendetta should I let the bleeds fall off before I refresh them, or refresh them normally
slow marsh
Na I need it to be a true 6/11 gamer
gusty mirage
Na I need it to be a true 6/11 gamer
I know a dude who was like 3/10 CE in CN
he doesn't let it bother him
slow marsh
I was 7/11 CE in CN and it 100% bothers me
gusty mirage
unlucky, you like a mediocre class
slow marsh
But also it paints a picture of my progression so
gusty mirage
maybe next expac 
gusty mirage
yeah mine was too
then our other rogue didn't get shit
after 2 weeks
while his alt warrior got 3pc
lmao
so now we have 3 warriors instead of 2 rogues
slow marsh
Other rogue is a little sub rat that you know
gusty mirage
I know them?
slow marsh
Supposedly
gusty mirage
dm me
oak sky
dude pantheon is easy
slow marsh
Not having two steps is pretty miserable
oak sky
rarely matters tbh
onyx raptor
rarely matters tbh
Mythic dausegne wants to know your location
oak sky
just had a kill today didnt have theotar double port or 2 steps
lunar otter
yo so MA is simin higher than subt for me ?
rugged blaze
i guess imma need to level necro, only got vent/kyr maxed on rogue but wanna go to assa instead of sub 😄
late birch
I assume i wont be able to socket CoS ring if I get it right
zinc frost
Why not?
late birch
referring to this thing
oak sky
yeah you can
lunar otter
where do we get the socket item ?
zinc frost
I’m well acquainted with tokens 
rugged blaze
anyone want to join my cos 14 on eu horde 😄 #ringfarm
zinc frost
Either necro or venth for m + homie, go duskwalkers for the phat ST/prio damage
lunar otter
ye nice
pseudo hamlet
Do Duskwalker lego "outdps" the damage from the Zoldyck in M+(with 4PC)?
solid venture
Probably not if you look at overall numbers, it kinda depends on how fast shit dies while in execute window.
You probably want to pick dusk if you want to do more prio dmg or zold for more overall dmg
Or you can make things easier for yourself by going sub and do way more dmg for way less effort 
subtle tundra
I hate the truth
iron orchid
I was watching azortharion the other day when you were pondering whether you would go sin or sub for spires
how you said you only thought about sin after playing it once made me laugh
subtle tundra
It wasn't bad, it just wasn't really good to be worth it
iron orchid
true
outer kernel
could some write me the opener with the "new" assa build?
solid venture
It's in the pins
plush delta
can someone share any weakaura they have that tracks empowered garotte, and vendetta empowered bleeds ?
lunar otter
man mfd is 440dps increase in keys sheesh
vestal wren
mfd 
lunar otter
we use it ye?
subtle tundra
I used it, it was good
Use on relic and then on the mob that spawns from relic
2 guaranteed fast resets
lunar otter
mmm ill have a crack
subtle tundra
Uh, I'm also talking about venthyr
cobalt hemlock
first dungeon i got in after an hour wish me luck 😄
north current
hi, how does the rotation change after receiving 4 set pieces? Maybe someone can explain it
gritty pawn
Double leggo and 2set. Whats best cov for that? Currently have venth capped, would going NF be an increase at all or should I just use venth till I hit 4set? Currently using Doomblade also. (This is for raid, normally play Sub but first time maining rogue so I wanna tryout Assass too)
limber lion
Double leggo and 2set. Whats best cov for that? Currently have venth capped, wou...
You should just stick to Venthyr until 4p and once you get 4p.
pseudo hamlet
hi, how does the rotation change after receiving 4 set pieces? Maybe someone can...
CT should be prioritized over Envenom in TB. Envenom mostly for the CTTC(SnD refresh).
At least that what I saw here a few days ago...
limber lion
hi, how does the rotation change after receiving 4 set pieces? Maybe someone can...
Just follow the instructions in the pins.
You just spend more time refreshing bleeds during Vendetta windows than you normally would without 4p, but the rotation doesn't change that drastically.
It's a bit hectic at first, but you'll get it.
gritty pawn
You should just stick to Venthyr until 4p and once you get 4p.
Oh ok, just reading the guides etc, seem to indicate NF was better after 4pc and double leggo but venth no tier and single leggo so wasnt sure with 2pc and double leggo. So you reckon venth even with 4pc?
limber lion
Oh ok, just reading the guides etc, seem to indicate NF was better after 4pc and...
Yes, the guides are outdated and that is no longer the case.
gritty pawn
Sweet 🙂 Thanks
gritty pawn
Awesome! Thanks heaps! I shall just continue as I am until I get 4pc then ill just swap the leggo out!
lunar otter
hey do we keep up CT on single target now allways or only in the vend burst windows
zinc frost
Always
worn badger
can i ask a stupid acronym question ? what is MFD in that pinned rotation list ?
zinc frost
Marked for death
lunar otter
markedfor death
worn badger
thanks , im dumb and tired
cunning locust
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz
lunar otter
man assa dungie cleave sims alot higher than necros 😮
sour citrus
Just got my 4pc. Maaaaaaan... it's fast!!!
manic igloo
so with 4 set do i go night fae or venthyr? got conflicting opinions
heavy forge
either
vestal wren
nf is in output slightly weaker but more relaxed to play
venthyr is best in terms of output but also requires more effort, and the diffrence is not super big
onyx raptor
Yeah plus i like it that it kinda lets us have a bit more cleave and not sacrificing ST
manic igloo
also one last thing deeper or vigor? or is that more of what feels better for you
onyx raptor
Mfd
limber lion
also one last thing deeper or vigor? or is that more of what feels better for yo...
You never play Vigor with any covenant, ever
onyx raptor
So you can get as many stacks of flag as possible
limber lion
But you do always play MFD as Venthyr
manic igloo
so could go NF and ignore mfd? 😛
marsh wagon
But you'll have to deal with dreamweaver's flower bed thingy
steel ridge
i just licked ceverion
marsh wagon
and in the end, is that really worth it
steel ridge
my life is complete
onyx raptor
You also play subterfuge as nf right?
limber lion
Yes
glass tulip
so seems like everyone transitioned venthyr to necro for mythic pantheon
onyx raptor
Everyone transitioned to sub on pantheon lol
glass tulip
yuck
onyx raptor
I mean it's kinda obv since you can turbo kill the ritualists as sub and last phase is shuriken storm black powder spam
limber lion
i just licked ceverion
fading mason
its crazy how hard it is to get into cos groups
ripe gulch
its crazy how hard it is to get into cos groups
i had a key
limber lion
I've never seen anyone play Venth on Pantheon
ripe gulch
the amount of 3k rogues that applied
limber lion
Unless you meant they started playing Venthyr now
because I think that's standing a bit more true
marble hemlock
its crazy how hard it is to get into cos groups
Yeah, totally crazy considering every CoS key has like >100 applicants for 2-3 DPS spots.
trail locust
wtf just got into a group with ceverion
marble hemlock
My condolences
limber lion
woah that's crazy
marble hemlock
rouge
limber lion
end it all
fading mason
lets hope you both get it
trail locust
who got rank 1 jailer with subtitle conduits while playing ass ass ination rouge
flint raptor
what are the best trinkets out there?
ripe gulch
what are the best trinkets out there?
pins
flint raptor
ty
limber lion
Sigil/IQD/Phial are the best for us.
subtle tundra
so seems like everyone transitioned venthyr to necro for mythic pantheon
Cba swapping covenant for 1 boss, which is a free boss aswell
glass tulip
I've never seen anyone play Venth on Pantheon
I didnt write it clearly enough, I meant transitioning from playing venthyr on heroic to necro on mythic
and yeah varas I understand, I do the same thing
winged moss
subtle tundra
For venthyr, yes
zinc frost
Be better off playing nf if you don’t want to play mfd
lunar otter
necro 4pc m+ still dusk ?
placid cobalt
sry guys, is double on use trinket from vault the play? it sims like 500 dps more for me, im using these atm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jPSDSVRRfrx3vKNS3vZ2DL
granted mine are kinda crappy but still, 500 dps gain
subtle tundra
Sure, they are big farmable upgrades, but they aren't bis
Fuck vault
Degenerate farm. 1 week to farm specific item from dungeon with big loot table
placid cobalt
like these are top trinks 278 i can get from droptimizer
these are from vault, so just looking at the number they do seem to be bis for me, idk
hollow dirge
Is it possible to change soulbind on sims if I’m not home and can’t log ?
whole wadi
ye just click on the desired soulbind and make sure to build the tree https://i.imgur.com/rGzB2wh.png
hollow dirge
Ty
whole wadi
u need to enable all soulbinds tho https://i.imgur.com/Ii2X0xD.png
placid cobalt
is on use trinket damage influenced by things like vendetta at all these days or doesnt really matter when you pop them?
lunar otter
hey 4pc m+ are we dusk stil las necro guys ?
limber lion
is on use trinket damage influenced by things like vendetta at all these days o...
No, Vendetta does not increase the damage of trinkets.
limber lion
hey 4pc m+ are we dusk stil las necro guys ?
You can play either. Venth is more prio/boss damage, Necro more overall.
limber lion
Either is fine
Dusk again more prio damage more often, Zoldyck probably more overall
lunar otter
legend as allways bro im just second guessing my self is all haha
whole wadi
i would dusk all the way, lots of other classes can pad but rogue prio is the juice. might not look as shiny on meters, but timing the key is what matters
normal mist
True
It's just sad in the end when the tank complains he is doing as much overall as some prio dmg dpses
I mean yeah dude your set and legendary is amazing to deal cleave/aoe dmg xD
subtle tundra
I played fire mage for the first time ever in a 15 nw last night and I did 10k dps
(pog)
whole wadi
tell me about it, i play with a guardian normally just mongoing away on aoe going like git gut 
like i cant touch her on the big pulls. doing 60-80k dps without breaking a sweat
normal mist
My tank is a paladin and before anything is said about it, we aren't doing 27 or 28s, we do casually 15s/16s with friends. But some of them still don't know when to pop cds or hold them to then line them all
normal mist
He is doing around 10/11k, good gear also thx to the fact he pvps and has a LOT of versa and haste
Because he is a troll xD
subtle tundra
Then he is not complaining, just laughing at them
hardy dagger
is the new assa tech implemented in simc?
normal mist
He's also laughing while thinking "okay this isn't actually normal is it?"
subtle tundra
As I said, even I did 10k on fire mage first time with EXTREMELY bad route in nw
Like, worse than pug
normal mist
Varas do you like to min max your performance, atleast when playing your main class?
I know I do, I always try to perform better and better and better and I like to beat my own performances
My friends tell me I'm a try hard for that
marble hemlock
youre trying hard, so yeah, that woudl make you a tryhard.
normal mist
Okay you got me there but what I mean is I like to do better
limber lion
Tryhard is such a stupid term
I don't see a problem in wanting to be better at the class and game that you play
normal mist
The hunter in my party, saw for the first time yesterday how to pop correctly her cds. She's been laying with us since bfa
marble hemlock
Just stop thinking of "tryhard" as a negative term. Its not. Its a badge of honor. Wear it proudly. And dab on people who think they can insult you with that. Goddamn non-tryers.
limber lion
Would you call chess grandmasters tryhards for being good at chess and playing it a shit ton?
It's so dumb lol
subtle tundra
The hunter in my party, saw for the first time yesterday how to pop correctly he...
I myself wouldn't play with people like that
normal mist
It's my damn gf :'))))))
marble hemlock
You're not playing with yourself Varas? 
subtle tundra
I'd flame my gf if it were me
subtle tundra
Thankfully I don't have one
subtle tundra
You're not playing with yourself Varas? <:SmileW:568166148907073548>
I play with myself often enough
normal mist
LOL
normal mist
Luckely yesterday she got "coached" by some mythic raider hunter and she might do better now... I guess
rotund oak
I play with myself often enough
subtle tundra
Worst part is farming trinkets lole
normal mist
As my tank always says "its a big if"
subtle tundra
I plan on pushing like 25s
normal mist
The faster you kill stuff, the less damage you take
subtle tundra
True, I can use my 278 iqd to heal myself too
normal mist
How come?
Rn I got 278/272 both haste mastery, no other 278 weapon was being a fps increase over my 272 one.
normal mist
I have 4 pieces, 1 hc 3 normal, and no chest tier. The only 278 I have are gloves (my hc piece atm)
Idk, since it's all about tmog I thought that maybe it would work
But I do have 262(later 272) for every main piece. Hard choices rn, is there a good way to just calculate all this choices in raidbots?
Like droptimizer or somethibg
normal mist
Thanks ram, will look into it later once I get home
glass tulip
ring is fake bro, havent seen it drop to anyone yet
limber lion
yup me either
steel ridge
Did 8 runs, no ring dropped
uneven summit
So farming rings and fcms?
steel ridge
3 rogues in group
hidden bloom
Can someone analyze a log and tell me why I suck?
normal mist
I believe that if you post it here someone will eventually look at it
fading wigeon
ring is fake bro, havent seen it drop to anyone yet
2 dropped in my run yesterday. I didn't get either of them lol
jade abyss
In m+ i rupture everything that moves?
glass tulip
sounds about right
limber lion
2 dropped in my run yesterday. I didn't get either of them lol
:)
normal mist
Holy shit
jade abyss
In this case i think the lowest roll wins !
raven vapor
limber lion
raven vapor
i lost the roll and still got the ring
raven vapor
the mage wanted the neck
limber lion
love to see it
fading wigeon
I hate that this is taking my time away from pushing real io. Wish they would just need this crap
hidden bloom
https://br.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tXnLypDzgFh2ARPm/#fight=6&type=damage-done&s...
can someone help me?
spice spire
Knowdawae log review
hollow river
I hate that this is taking my time away from pushing real io. Wish they would ju...
Can’t waste your time farming if none of it is an upgrade =^)
hollow river
I enjoy assa I’m just not going to play it for prog on any bosses
So it’s not worth too much time investment for me I guess
muted ivy
rip Lords being the only Sin fight :/
limber lion
Every fight is a sin fight
muted ivy
muted ivy
I mean if you're a Sinner i guess (joking)
keen aurora
Anyone have a good, simple WA that will yell at me if SND is going to fall off soon?
hollow river
Lords <:MonkeyPeepoThinking:711055834049675326>
Not even a rogue fight though 
limber lion
If sub sims 1k ahead of sin for me there’s 0 chance any fight is a sin fight
yes, because you play both specs perfectly so it matters
muted ivy
but fr I wish Sin was a bit better on more than just 1 fight, as it is now I just don't feel like putting the effort in
limber lion
but yeh if you're a metaslave, just stick to sub
hollow river
I do a lot more dam as sub so ye it matters
Not called meta slave it’s called playing what does more dam because I don’t want to int the raid
real bay
wouldnt play rogue at all then
hollow river
Ye for prog rogue is only in for certain fights
hollow river
That’s just how it is this tier
limber lion
Yeh, if you don't care about which spec you play, play them both at an equal level and just want to pump maximum dps, then you play Sub on most fights
If you despise playing Sub and love Assa, there's no reason to play Sub.
raven vapor
what about if your raid leader wants you on adds during pantheon
hollow river
what about if your raid leader wants you on adds during pantheon
If you can stand to play sub I would
limber lion
what about if your raid leader wants you on adds during pantheon
Probably not your job as Assa and your RL should realize that. If he doesn't, you either swap to Sub or play a different character.
hollow river
But assa isn’t horrible for it
raven vapor
i personally can't stand the spec but it's what i'm being assigned to do
hollow river
A lot of RLers don’t care about what’s fully optimal, adds need to die for boss to die
It is what it is
muted ivy
Sin shouldn't be too bad for the adds
raven vapor
yep which is why i'll go sub if needs be
hollow river
Sin shouldn't be too bad for the adds
Nah it’s not, it’s just not optimal for your damage as a whole
muted ivy
could start off as Sin and if it isn't doing enough add dmg then swap
raven vapor
tried it last night the sub rogue was doubling my add damage
hollow river
Of course
muted ivy
were they dying in time?
thin nexus
Guys, quick question. How does 4p interact with SBS? Is it ticking faster or not?
hollow river
Sin is way better at sitting on the bosses and cleaving them, not as good for fast swaps like that
muted ivy
also Sin will still being doing dmg to the boss where Sub won't (if you full swap to adds) so it's not like you're just mega behind
limber lion
Guys, quick question. How does 4p interact with SBS? Is it ticking faster or not...
It is yes, and after the Vendetta ends, it returns to its normal tick rate. (kind of)
brazen zodiac
good morning guys!
muted ivy
as long as the adds are dying in time you should be good, if not then ya you should swap to Sub if you need to maximize dmg on them
solid venture
sheeeesh
echo geyser
huge gz
limber lion
damn
brazen zodiac
grats gamer.
vestal wren
gz
solid venture
glass tulip
I got the same chest today, feels real good man
solid venture
gusty mirage
Also is that reaction a Kirby splooging
How do you like that reaction?
bleak sky
How do you like that reaction?
brazen zodiac
hi minal!
bleak sky
waddup
outer kernel
the pin for timewalk items is correct?
brazen zodiac
super troll
fathom nest
why does Tirathons Betrayl sim better then Faulty Countermessure now? last time it was strictly worse. Got it buffed?
muted ivy
i think it's just different ilvl scalings
gusty mirage
Faulty got giga juiced by frost shards, and we got a pretty big ilvl dif since last season (246 v 272 changes things)
vestal wren
^ its actually not only that
but trinket itemlevel as well as the strengh of the raid trinkets play a role
also i am happy that fcm is more a optional thing (unless you play outlaw)
gusty mirage
Tirathons wasn’t terrible last season, fwiw
vestal wren
oh, you already mentioned item level ^^
gusty mirage
It’s just phial + FCM or phial + guardian trinket were much much better than it
Phial got nerfed
fathom nest
just got a Tirathons but its only 242 >_>
gusty mirage
Rip to your valor 
fathom nest
really not sure if worth at all in the end i have phila 272 IQD 278 and Sigil 265
but IQD is kinda ....
gusty mirage
IQD is one of our best trinkets currently
fathom nest
as long as it does not heal/give mana ^^
strange python
Sigil>cache>phial>iqd still?
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muted ivy
from there
sand sigil
does anyone know if they ever finally implemented the bwonsamdi fae? i checked during the race but it wasn't working in sims only regular fae custom apl line worked
muted ivy
wym?
subtle tundra
the what
solid venture
I have no idea what this means either
sand sigil
dbl leggo fae gives more cdr than old fae, cuz priest forced to running fae leggo. so u used to sim fae.guardians=0/90/180 or whatever it was, but now u want to sim bwonsamdi's.pact. because u get way more cdr now than u used to
but when i tried to check and see the value for sin during ptr and early race the apl line didn't apply double cdr, well it didn't apply any
it just didn't work
solid venture
What makes you think we get externals
sand sigil
so i'm asking if anybody knows if it's implemented now
subtle tundra
probably not very good with venthyr
carmine dawn
None of you guys thinking it’s bad is answering if it’s been implemented lmao
@vestal wren
Maybe @fleet anchor
solid venture
Sounds like a tc research question to me
subtle tundra
fukin slackers:(
rugged blaze
any tips for dausegne M as assa?
subtle tundra
blast!
sand sigil
cuz i mean fae wasn't all that good in 9.1, but pieces made good use of a fae on sylv. so if u have 40s cdr fae and duskwalker and 4p synergy could be ok
carmine dawn
Maybe get more things lined up with mfd if it’s that short
vestal wren
<@!194804407706189824>
whats the qeustion
carmine dawn
vestal wren
moment
carmine dawn
any tips for dausegne M as assa?
Time your shadowsteps for after all the waves. Mostly just blasting on cd
gusty mirage
does anyone know if they ever finally implemented the bwonsamdi fae? i checked d...
It should be ye
sand sigil
It should be ye
do u got the line? i lost it
gusty mirage
external_buffs.bwonsamdis_pact_benevolent
sand sigil
legend
marble hemlock
praise oxi
sand sigil
gonna gaslight all the boys into thinking fae sin worth 100%
gusty mirage
solid venture
marble hemlock
muted ivy
sand sigil
walking into raid with a jeweled signet and some bleeds 😎
gusty mirage
oh oxi was faster
It’s from the +18 court of stars pug I did last night
Disaster
I’m on edge since
sand sigil
has anyone killed jailer as sin yet?
as long as u don't fall off the edge it's gotta be good right
solid venture
Not on mythic 
limber lion
has anyone killed jailer as sin yet?
Don't think so
hollow escarp
I don't think anybody that killed jailer yet was legally allowed to play sin
sand sigil
sub don't gain as much from the p3 stats as sin
limber lion
But yeah, I legit think it's good on it
sand sigil
gotta be juice
limber lion
It cranks the fuck up with p3
gusty mirage
Ye I think sin would be giga on jailer tbh
sand sigil
i got my 285 and 278 too i'm ready to go. sylvanas daggers in the BIN
halcyon zealot
where they belong
limber lion
My heroic parse is 3rd, just behind 3 sub parses
and that's with sub conduits
as assa.
gusty mirage
and that's with sub conduits
carmine dawn
Was gonna say it probably gets more competitive with end tier daggers right?
limber lion
Any Deeper Dagger/PE enjoyers
limber lion
Think of the uh shadow damage amp on uh… flag?
Yeh, don't even use Sylv daggers anymore
very poggers indeed
gusty mirage
Huge buff to flag dam
raven vapor
Any Deeper Dagger/PE enjoyers
bet that'll send someone that just follows top parses mad trying to figure it out
gusty mirage
ya'll are sleeping on DD/PE
In b4 someone sees that and copies it
hollow escarp
lol
carmine dawn
bet that'll send someone that just follows top parses mad trying to figure it ou...
Why do you think seli logs out as night fae half the time while pushing keys
vestal wren
watch one of the "statistic" sites put pe and dd on "bis" or "s tier"
solid venture
Inb4 infexious does a 10 min YouTube vid about PE / DD conduits as sin
vestal wren
don't give him ideas
limber lion
Think of the uh shadow damage amp on uh… flag?
wait deeper daggers only activates from Evis or BP
it's doomed
gusty mirage
wait deeper daggers only activates from Evis or BP
Sometimes my eviscerate shows the envenom icon in details
We just have to hackerman it
limber lion
ebon notch
seen 2 rings so far
brazen zodiac
i tried so hard to get u in
brazen zodiac
i begged with my life but they said it was either me or u
balmy condor
all good
steel ridge
Any Deeper Dagger/PE enjoyers
thats ridiculous xDDD
ebon notch
@limber lion in that jailer log you were with my m8 the warrior
the shit one not the good one 
nice easter egg
tawny junco
im confused about the legendary for m+, which one should i use?
muted ivy
before 4pc use Zoldyck, after 4pc use Duskwalker
balmy condor
finality, but make sure to change to sub first
junior pulsar
G fucking g
junior pulsar
The tier changes stats to raid tier stats anyway
woeful meteor
!fuu
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raven vapor
Am i right in thinking we don't refresh the rupture and garrote that gets snapshot at the end of vendetta until it's about to fall off
ignoring the pandemic window?
oak sky
Yep
iron orchid
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gTw2FRdtx3ytYtP4MAqNFb
Why is Egg of serpentrix so high ? Is it because my phial is too low ?
nvm 272 phial is a bigger upgrade
iron orchid
not enough time to farm pf
I hope i get the time to farm a cos ring this week
I don't even have a timed tyrannical pf
solid venture
Man I just wanna get off work and grind cos 
hollow escarp
wish I didn't raid today so I spam more CoS
slow marsh
wrong CoS loot
gimme those boots
hollow escarp
I would, got crit haste ones
solid venture
I have until tomorrow to get the ring for crab prog
spice spire
Not even going to get to get it this time around
solid venture
I believe 
spice spire
Gotta okay wow to have a chance
solid venture
oak sky
I was helping trade another trinket on my mage so now i have like 4 tw pieces people didnt need
A lot of upgrading tho
paper blaze
guys wich tier piece is better to get out of the 5? im recently coming back, and im seeng almost all parts are without haste O.o
hollow escarp
chest is crit haste
hollow escarp
sub set is nice indeed 
gusty mirage
wrong CoS loot
Wait until you get the shit necklace 4 times
hollow river
sub set is nice indeed <:YEP:699289223240613928>
What bag add on is that
hollow escarp
elvui
hollow escarp
you can set bags to equipment, trade goods and consumables
graceful niche
Is the Faulty Countermeasure Trinket still a thing for us?
hollow river
Is the Faulty Countermeasure Trinket still a thing for us?
Sim
It’s not bis but depending on your gear it could be quite decent I think
graceful niche
maybe its a simtrap, its 120 dps dmg lost on 272, i know it was bis for us with frost shard
gusty mirage
It’s alright, depends on your current trinkets tho
hollow escarp
hollow river
No such thing as a sim trap
gusty mirage
Not a must have anymore
solid venture
It's not as good anymore indeed
gusty mirage
If that’s what you’re wondering
brazen zodiac
Wait until you get the shit necklace 4 times
5 times now
im ready to fucking scream
hollow escarp
I just want to get it because it's pretty close to bis trinkets and you never know what blizzard changes or what theorycrafters find that makes it good 🙂
and since we only have this week to farm it
why not go for it
graceful niche
true dat, and the court of stars ring? Is it a thing rn?
hollow escarp
ye
gusty mirage
5 times now
We can cry together and wear all our necklaces like rappers
solid venture
Ravenholdt rap album when?
gusty mirage
Bro I got 0 necklaces
Which one you want? The one with the socket? The one with leech? Or the one with speed?
charred wraith
We can cry together and wear all our necklaces like rappers
Set bonus against demons
Are dreadlords even demons anymore
drifting cloud
demon dmg is pretty good ... in lost ark
hollow river
Which one you want? The one with the socket? The one with leech? Or the one with...
If you assemble all types of tertiary necklaces, you may summon a ring.
gusty mirage
I just want to finish raid and quit for the tier
charred wraith
I already did
gusty mirage
Halfway there
charred wraith
Dont know how i had farmed windscar, ring and faulty last time
Guess i hated myself that much
gusty mirage
Dont know how i had farmed windscar, ring and faulty last time
We had 3 weeks
And we still had hope for a future
hollow river
Oxi
spice spire
Bro I got 0 necklaces
0 bitches too
gusty mirage
but if you did it in 1
Bro I had 30 runs in the first week
brazen zodiac
We can cry together and wear all our necklaces like rappers
we can look based
together
hollow river
Should I take 278 Bells or tokens from vault @gusty mirage
glass tulip
Bro I had 30 runs in the first week
i ran 94 runs to get all 3 items week 1
git gud noob
brazen zodiac
i rather eat nails
gusty mirage
Should I take 278 Bells or tokens from vault <@!192059095279337473>
278 bells kinda nice iirc
solid venture
Just loot it bozo
gusty mirage
But kinda dookie in m+
hollow river
Yeah I mean it’s pure ST
gusty mirage
i ran 94 runs to get all 3 items week 1
Yeah I’m already depressed bro why would I want to send myself over the edge
hollow river
I have a 278 crit haste belt
gusty mirage
Because you know this ain’t going to be your only shit vault
hollow river
But I play sub so meh
gusty mirage
Once you got at least 278 tier in all slots
oak sky
Jailer belt only bro
hollow river
Oo
gusty mirage
Then tokens gonna look spicy
gusty mirage
Ye idk I’d probably take the trinket, but I also don’t loot shit from raid except cloaks ig
hollow river
Bro my Naga died yesterday
gusty mirage
hollow river
I’m on a 2 mouse button back up from hell
I forgor
I have to go by Best Buy omw home :l
steel gyro
@gusty mirage did you get ring last night
gusty mirage
No
steel gyro
</3
gusty mirage
That 18 was a disaster bro
gusty mirage
15 minutes over
oak sky
Bro just spam +2
steel gyro
only part they remembered 
gusty mirage
Rum’s been running them all morning like a mad man
steel gyro
im torn on whether i even care
i want it, but not if i dont get it in like 5 runs lul
gusty mirage
Yeah I’m getting there myself
brazen zodiac
Bro just spam +2
i cant in good faith
spend 3000+ valor on something
or however much itd cost
oak sky
Look at my rio
brazen zodiac
huh
brazen zodiac
i dont understand what ur sayin srry
but if ur sayin u got the loot then pog congrats xd
gusty mirage
but if ur sayin u got the loot then pog congrats xd
I think it’s time we accept that this just ain’t our tier
Ggs go next
oak sky
Im saying i was spamming +2
brazen zodiac
I think it’s time we accept that this just ain’t our tier
i think its time we sell our laptops and get real jobs
and women
start a family
gusty mirage
True
brazen zodiac
or men if u swing that way
dw oxi im feelin this run
like how i felt the last 2938423e10 runs
worn badger
so with legion m+ being tyran and bursting is it probably better to run venth with pugs or f it just go necro and pray your healer isnt asleep during the trash ?
glass tulip
@brazen zodiac what else are you gonna spend valor on before its uncapped
nothing useful
2750 for 2 spam
steel gyro
2750 valor is a small cost for a ring ill use for the next 9 months
thin imp
!fuu
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worn badger
blerg, finally have time and the gear (260 w/pc) to feel comfortable to catch up on m+ season but cant even get into a +2 group to save my life lol
kindred rapids
ie your trinkets are bad?
glass tulip
blerg, finally have time and the gear (260 w/pc) to feel comfortable to catch ...
make your own, ask people to link their key and just start with 1 to reroll
ripe gulch
ie your trinkets are bad?
phial and xy'mox
craggy oak
anyone got the updated bleed WA for 4p at hand or know where i can find it
spice spire
craggy oak
tyty
kindred rapids
phial and xy'mox
Those should both be better than faulty
spice spire
Post sim 
hollow escarp
272 + socket is the way
somber fractal
so im sitting at around 900 haste and sims are still telling me to go haste but i notice all the top logs are dumping to around 650 haste...
brazen zodiac
<@237309274500497408> what else are you gonna spend valor on before its uncapped
when is it uncapped
ripe gulch
so do i just sim crit socket?
spice spire
Doing a thing
somber fractal
so is there some soft haste cap as venth im not aware of?
limber lion
No.
spice spire
so im sitting at around 900 haste and sims are still telling me to go haste but ...
Do whatever sims best, stats don’t matter as much as you think it does
glass tulip
insane (un)luck
craggy oak
jsut a lot of loot in the pool
spice spire
No
ripe gulch
yeah, i gotta upgrade it with valor
but im saving for ring
ty for the sim tho ❤️
also iqd big
tranquil lodge
https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d
one thing that seems to be missing from this pack is the cd on garrote, otherwise its great
solid venture
cant get into a single court key nice
drifting cloud
jailer neck doesnt have more stats than a normal one right, its just spread across 3?
odd heath
cant get into a single court key nice
People listing these cos keys are getting hundreds of 3k+ rogues, DHS, wars, shamans, it's crazy lol
ripe gulch
jailer neck doesnt have more stats than a normal one right, its just spread acro...
yea
odd heath
We are running every vaults and cos keys within the guild, and funneling to ppl that need it
2 rings and 1 trinket so far
ripe gulch
imagine having a decent guild
ripe gulch
lmfao