assassination

[limber lion]

Yeah but it's honestly a build that you need to play with anyways

even if you know all the rules

gotta get familiar and comfortable with all the timers and whatnot

[calm hatch]

i am blind 😄 looked at it quickly and skipped to see it, thank you!

[carmine dawn]

Fair enough

Everyone should hit a dummy ~5 minutes before raid

[zinc frost]

I really enjoy it on anduin, especially with cache.

[gusty mirage]

[blissful forge]

what soulbind with necro assa in mü

*m+

with 4p

[balmy condor]

blindfold yourself and click randomly

every necro bind is pretty much equal

[blissful forge]

aight

[carmine dawn]

Literally stop attacking me

I will lodge a complaint

[junior bough]

@balmy condor Hello Whispyr, good evening, do you know if there is a % cap in critical strike and haste (pve)?

[balmy condor]

not sure if trolling me or serious

there are no caps or breakpoints on any stat ever

secondaries are whatever

[junior bough]

no, I'm not kidding, it's a doubt that I had today if I have to reach X% in those two statistics...

sory if bother you, only have a doubt

[balmy condor]

yeah ilvl is way more important than anything

[clear lynx]

Thanks again, sorry to bother. I seem to getting into a position where Vend is ready, but Flag has between 9 and 12 seconds left. Is that me just not getting enough CPs spent during Flag, or is it ok to wait for those 9-12 secs before using Vend?

[drifting cloud]

thats normal

I mean you say 9-12 sec, surely you see how many stacks your flags are getting, I doubt its under 20 😛

[clear lynx]

it's normally betw. 20-24 on avge. Thanks for reply!

[limber lion]

Just hold the Vend for Flag. You should be getting 29-30 stacks with the proper opener, so the difference in cd is not super large.

But yeah, 10s is super duper normal

[clear lynx]

ty ty

[wide ridge]

imagine not using marileth, the goat

[balmy condor]

Heirmir crit for cache damage

[wide ridge]

heirmir virgins vs chad marileth users

it is what it is

[viscid spear]

[cold rampart]

outlaw or sin in m+?

[brazen zodiac]

whatever u want

[cold rampart]

i want the highest dmg

[brazen zodiac]

play sub i think xd

[cold rampart]

am not playing that spec

[brazen zodiac]

well that kinda does the highest damage i think :p

[oak sky]

then you dont want the highest damage

[brazen zodiac]

agreon will tell ya!

[echo geyser]

@cold rampart what about wl?

[cold rampart]

between sin or outlaw

[oak sky]

just play what you have fun with outlaw and sin are both not that insane rn

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

sin probably does more st

so that exists i guess

[brazen zodiac]

[cold rampart]

hmmm

[oak sky]

ramfam you know how bad it is

I got beat by a survival hunter on overall during a boss fight

but i did more boss damage

[echo geyser]

i still dont have 278 daggers for sin

i havent tried it with 4p

[oak sky]

all his damage over me was on urh

[brazen zodiac]

lfmao

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

"sin cleave:

"

[brazen zodiac]

wildfire clusters just different ig

[slow marsh]

what sin cleave

[brazen zodiac]

in our dreams

[oak sky]

vendetta maintenance makes it really easy to cleave

dont know if u were aware

[slow marsh]

true just spam CT on 4 mobs

big cleave

[spice spire]

Doomer icebladesx

Damn

[viscid spear]

[quaint condor]

how's everybody's raid prog going are we all having fun?

[glass tulip]

no :D

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it's okay, since I'm not playing Sin!

[warm drift]

Progging halodri as sub and hating myself

[solid venture]

Feels omegabad having to run out with crushing prism for dispel while vendetta is running

[subtle tundra]

Cloak is a dispell

Sprint cloak brotherman

Lose 1 sec of uptime but it is what it is

[warm drift]

I got called out for doing that

[subtle tundra]

And what's the use for cloak then??

[warm drift]

Because i could have saved the raid from orbs running into boss threw yellow thingy

[subtle tundra]

If you have orb problems in p1, p2 then you have bigger problems

Than your cloak

[warm drift]

But yeah cloaking first debuffs is what i did too

Felt good

We usually don't but in that specific try i cloaked first debuffs

And could have saved

[vestal wren]

you could use it to negate the knockback

for sub you have 2x step and vanish strike, but that might not be a terrible application for it on sin

[subtle tundra]

First intermission is gate immune + shadowstep, 2nd I use the knock back to position for bomb drop off 👍

[warm drift]

Do you play venth on that fight?

[solid venture]

I'm not allowed to cloak it off

[marble hemlock]

I mean, just keep the debuff until you're done with it

Felt like it lined up pretty well that the prisms rarely happened during cds

[thin trout]

like

what am i supposed to feel with my 252 daggers

[charred wraith]

happiness

[marble hemlock]

Only vendetta on hal where prisms were annoying is the very first one, and you can just keep that one on you until it expires, basically

[solid venture]

Yeah so far it was only the first prism that came up during my vendetta but we've only done 20 pulls so far so idk how it'll go in other phases.
Next time I'll try to not run out until the debuff is about to expire and see how it goes

[warm drift]

Don't you get dmg over time from prism?

[marble hemlock]

The only other prism that overlaps with your CDs a bit is the first one in P2, but you can drop that one after 5-10sec and kinda have to wait anyway for tankbeams

[marble hemlock]

Yeah. Thats what healers are for

They dont have anything to do at the start of the pull anyway

[warm drift]

Not allowed to have fun then

But i do what they tell me

Also would you say nf is playable on halondrus?

[solid venture]

Playable, sure but you won't get too much out of the Dreamweaver haste thingy

Probably better off going Nadja or heirmir if u wanna play necro

[warm drift]

Well I guess i just try venthyr and try learn it. Difficult fight to learn it for me. But I'm going mental as kyrian sub

[solid venture]

Sub prison

I don't have kyrian leveled, so Im just bing chilling on venthyr sub or assa for every boss so far except pantheon

[marble hemlock]

no

i mean, probably, but the most important phase its the most useless

i think in p1/p2 you can probably still get good value of the field

but in p3 you dont

venthyr is pretty chill on halondrus imo

comparing my enjoyment of this new dogbuild with duskwalker etc.

between necro and venthyr, venthyr actually plays a bit smoother

in terms of extending bleeds etc.

[warm drift]

Alright, ty seli definitely trying it out tonight.

If my raid lets me ofc

[stark pier]

hi..should i use ,with the first set bonus , crimson Tempest for Single target ?

[balmy condor]

Only on venthyr

[stark pier]

oke..thank you

[marble hemlock]

i mean

we use a macro/weakaura where the player with the debuff presses the macro to signal to the healers that they can be dispelled

so if you just dont press it for another few seconds, that shouldnt be an issue

[blazing pumice]

what is the best way to use cds for lihuvium prog

I've been doing boss -> boss -> third one I'm not sure if I should do on add or not

[marble hemlock]

depends on what your raid needs

if you need more add damage, then hold CDs on pull, use on first add, and then use on CD and it lines up pretty well so you always get 1 set on adds, 1 on boss etc.

[blazing pumice]

my add usually get obliterated

the first one

[marble hemlock]

well, its the only thing that matters

the damage requirement for that boss is basically nonexistant at this point

[warm drift]

We use that too, could actually just wait with pressing the button

But sometimes they dispel anyway

But we also do a dmg stop in p1, i just play it some pulls and see how it works out for me.

[queen gyro]

i have a 255-ish alt that just got 4 set, but trying it out in m+ my burst felt way weaker, does 4 set make refreshing tempest rush much more important or am i wasting dmg refreshing it?

[limber lion]

You want to maintain CT like you normally would in M+, but during Vendetta windows you obviously have to keep it up more actively if your focus is doing damage to a prio target.

The burst from the 4p is massively greater than without the tierset, especially on a single target.

You just have to play with it a bunch to get used to it and should focus on using Vendetta as often as possible to get more value out of the tierset/Duskwalkers combo

Keeping in mind that it's a 1min cd, so holding it for a boss or a coming up prio mob can be advantageous

But yeah nothing crazy about CT, you just maintain it like you normally would. You don't spam it.

[junior pulsar]

Do the 4 set make all dots tick faster or only target u use vendetta on

[storm onyx]

on your vend target only

[limber lion]

Just your target, the 2p however works on everything around you.

[junior pulsar]

Guess the other would be too strong lol. Just read somewhere it said targets with an s suggesting it was in all. Have read it wrong then

[marble hemlock]

they really shouldnt

except during intermission

but in p1/p2 you need to wait with dispel until the player is in position to slow down motes

[late birch]

Hey not sure if mentioned before but doesthe pandemic window change inside vendetta with 4p?

[balmy condor]

Yes

It’s halved

[warm drift]

Yeah i guess they see me outside and just dispell

[stark pier]

hey ,,what are you playing with a 4p t set and 2 legy...NF or VENT at the Raid ?

[limber lion]

Venthyr

NF is fine if you want to play that

[stark pier]

thanks

[sturdy merlin]

Hey can someone help me to add a 272 melandrus ring into my top gear sim please

What should i write and where should i look for this next time

[willow eagle]

You can go to gear compare and add the ring there

[sturdy merlin]

I'm so used to top gear i forgot gear compare exists

thanks

[next dune]

I'm hanging on to NF, but the writing is well on the wall to swap back to venth. Every time those haste flowers drop and made impossible to stand in, I'm like whyyyy do I keep playing this? Lol

[solid venture]

Join the dark side

[junior pulsar]

Do u Guys play venth in tyranical weeks? Really prefer necro playstyle

[subtle tundra]

Am I really the only one that hates necro?

[rotund oak]

Im playing venth in keys on Tyr weeks

just not assa

[limber lion]

I play both, they do pretty different things honestly

[junior pulsar]

How can u have necro? Makes it so much smooth and easy cheap combopoints

Hate

[subtle tundra]

How can you like necro

Still do 0 aoe, do shit st

[junior pulsar]

I just wrote qhy

Why

Is venthyr better for aoe?

[subtle tundra]

Not really.

It's just that you lose way more st by going necro than you gain aoe

[rotund oak]

Necro is low target cleave

[junior pulsar]

Okay didnt know

[rotund oak]

where there is no much ''density'' necro is fine

thats why u see necro assa shine in fights like lords

it literally r@pes everything in 2-3t cleave scenarios

[oak sky]

Vent will probably perform better but necro is still fine and totally viable

[subtle tundra]

I do like 14k st on venth assa

In m+

I do way less on necro and even sub

[rotund oak]

Seli had MASSIVE 14k+ pumps in halondrus y'day

[junior pulsar]

Damn 14k ooh mami thats nice

[subtle tundra]

I finished on 14k on halondrus myself

[oak sky]

Venth just does more st than necro

[rotund oak]

The moment he switched to venth he literally started breaking records,was very hyped y'day

[subtle tundra]

And 14k isn't even that much

[rotund oak]

thats what i wanna see from assa rogues

[subtle tundra]

Also wdym breaking records

[rotund oak]

he did more

[subtle tundra]

Sub does 15k

[rotund oak]

he did 15k as well,just not consistently

[oak sky]

Halondrus sub dominates because sht cant miss

[rotund oak]

yeah

but we all know sub is fiiiine

nothing wrong with sub

😛

[marble hemlock]

ehh

assa is fine

keep in mind

i have garbage gear

im barely 270 ilvl

and got the p3 spot where im out of meleerange of the boss like 30% of teh time

can easily do 15k on hal as assa with decent gear and a better p3 spot

[junior pulsar]

What was the cd on vendetta when playing with duskwalkers leggo?

[subtle tundra]

Were you bomber man seli?

[marble hemlock]

nah

but i was doing tank slice in p3

cuz our warrior kept charging into the boss due to the range issues

[subtle tundra]

I was also tank slice for some pulls in p3 while also doing bomba

It was something else

Also enha was literally other side of the boss so winfury was not really something I had

[rotund oak]

also no externals

Seli needs a PI to add some sweet sauce on crablegs

[marble hemlock]

i literally dont give a shit about my parses

ill gladly be the one taking over any job that dips my DPS

hides how well or badly i did, which is already a plus

and the only way i know a difficult job is done correctly, is if i do it myself

[empty hinge]

I’m still 267 and no 4 piece

[ripe gulch]

I'm benched for artificer

No neck ig

[rigid tartan]

Seli did you guys place all the circles that slow the orbs at range in front of their spawn points or just barely outside of melee so you dont lose as much uptime when dropping them?

[marble hemlock]

you kinda wanna do both

basically you wanna place them like ~15y away from boss id say

the goal is to not have to move out of melee range too much to knock them, while making sure that they get knocked into the back of the slow-circle so you only have to knock them once

if the circles are placed too far outside, youd have to run far out to kock them into the slow. or you wait for the balls to come, but then you have to knock them more since they wont be slowed as the puddle is too far out

good estimate would be around where the 3rd-closest planetcracker beam is rotating

at that height, roughly

that way theyre close enough to actually slow the orbs after knocking, without melee haivng to run too far out to knock, while still leaving enough space to drop and dodge missiles

[cyan linden]

hey , which weapon should I choose with xy mox trinket on single target?

[zinc frost]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[cyan linden]

ok thx

[rigid tartan]

thanks a lot for that elaborate explanation

[raw plover]

how do you sim different theotar teas ?

[spice spire]

shadowlands.party_favor_type=x

[brazen zodiac]

good morning

[spice spire]

GM gamer

Have a glorious day

[fathom flax]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e2hKBZuRFpcV8hmNMrjUhz

I just wanna play ass :<

sub is so toxic

[bleak sky]

play it then

[rotund oak]

spoke like a king 👌

[strange python]

Being benched for anduin is the true dream

[thin trout]

If the venthyr theotar combo is higher dps than NF, why hasnt'this been reflected in sim updates? Or is bloodmallet just slow

[spice spire]

I’m actually not sure if it’s been implemented as of yet, at least on weekly. I know Koji was out when this was discovered, so he just recently put it in. Bloodmallet could very well be slow tho

Doing some number checks rn

[bleak sun]

Hey bois quick question about the 2p, do you garr/rupt/ct Then shiv or its dynamic ?

[spice spire]

Dynamic. Whatever is rolling should still be boosted whenever you shiv

[bleak sun]

OK 👌 ty

[rotund oak]

@limber lion slamming your lizard again 😅 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#boss=2543&difficulty=4&class=Rogue

how are u doing this

[limber lion]

I thought my normal one was even more cool, albeit I did get one PI on it randomly

[rotund oak]

Im like watching 2 dudes below u with 5 and 8 externals

and im like

what the actual f

is this guy doing without externals

[violet hemlock]

hes pressing his buttons harder

[limber lion]

Same with HallyD and Jailer

but idk

press button hard very pog

[rotund oak]

harder it is

[vestal wren]

your HC parses are public now cev 👀 ?

oh, you did it with a non guild group

[limber lion]

Not the ones I've done with Colour, but I did pug some yeah

All my private parses are still better than the pug ones I got

but decided to go troll around in heroic

[rotund oak]

how

is this even possible

it makes no sense

u defy reason

without externals

[vestal wren]

cev just wanted to make a point

[solid venture]

Mans built differently

[vestal wren]

prove that sin is not dog tier as stated so often in here

[limber lion]

It's pretty annoying doing pugs because I tend to attract priests to use their PI on me even though I don't say anything

[latent gazelle]

I pay my priest to pi me over our demo

[limber lion]

But yeah Sin is dank

play sin

[carmine dawn]

Can you solo an add on pantheon as sin cev

[rotund oak]

[limber lion]

Idk, probably not

I've never hit an add in my life on Pantheon

except the one that's under the boss

[latent gazelle]

Ranged mechanics

[carmine dawn]

Must. Be. Nice.

That’s cool tho

Did you play zold on pantheon

[limber lion]

Nah Duskies

[carmine dawn]

Or do you on reclears

[limber lion]

With the p3 starting at 40% now, you spend much more time on 2T than you do 4T

And Dusk is just better for 2T

[carmine dawn]

4t multidot with built in exsang gives me anxiety

[strange python]

Felt that

[carmine dawn]

Lmao

[spice spire]

Amen brother, too busy in my vendetta window, insane damage lost otherwise

(I’m not joking)

[drowsy parcel]

[limber lion]

Congrats!

[drowsy parcel]

best feeling

what a fucking boss

[limber lion]

I bet

the rush

[zenith yarrow]

With Legion timewalking coming next week, is there some items I should chase? Is Faulty countermeasure still good? What about the autoattack ring?

[ripe gulch]

both good

you can droptimize yourself

to see the upgrades

[zenith yarrow]

anything that is BiS long term?

[ripe gulch]

like i said, droptimize yourself

[glass tulip]

Considering aa ring at 246 still beats out some 278s

I would say a 272 version of that is most likely bis next to a legendary ring

[brazen zodiac]

POG KAYL!!!!

[cold rampart]

mythic crab wish me luck boys

[brazen zodiac]

Gl

[ebon notch]

[ripe gulch]

is there a way to check shield damage done to desausage?

[limber lion]

type "absorbedDamage > 0" in the Filter Expression box.

[ripe gulch]

tyvm

[sonic schooner]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[ripe gulch]

yeah assa is giga for shield damage

[glass tulip]

I get cds up right as go into 1st shield but the other ones are rough

either have to hold for 30 seconds or so or blow em normally and they basically dont match any other shield

[bitter aurora]

My favorite part is when I CT the air as it tps

[kind steppe]

hihihi,

im really strugling having garrote, rupture, CT and SnD up with 4p on 2 target,

(especially with SnD)
What is the priority list with em all ?
Does it change when using vendetta ?
Are there some dots/buff you're gonna drop anyway (rupture on offtarget during burst ? Or CT that you wont re apply on vendetta as its still pending on 2nd target ?)

[limber lion]

So, you try to maintain all 4 of those on 2 targets as much as possible, whenever possible. With the 4p tierset, it changes a bit because it's impossible to maintain Garrote on a secondary target with the 4p. That's when you would have to drop garroting the secondary target, but you would still want to maintain Rupture and CT on both, and always prioritizing maintaining SND.

If one debuff were to drop, CT would be the one that makes the most sense. Generally this is the priority:

1. Slice and Dice
2. Garrote
3. Rupture
4. Crimson Tempest

[kind steppe]

Crimson Tempest being the last in the priority on 2t ? how is that

maintaining 1 buff and 6 dots is such a pain though

[oak sky]

Ct doesnt give energy so its lower priority

[kind steppe]

ah k thats why

so rupture off target during vendetta + shiv > CT both ?

[native belfry]

does NF priest ability give us anything? or just waste

[solid venture]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[edgy cloak]

is it normal that I have to wait few secs between 2nd mutilate and gar on the venthyr opener, cause I haven't enough energy to cast it ?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

if you're belf you can torrent after the 2nd mutilate to garrote faster

wow

[edgy cloak]

sorry i play allaince x)

[gusty mirage]

just had a stroke or something

[edgy cloak]

okay then

[gusty mirage]

then ye you just gotta wait for the energy

[edgy cloak]

ty

[gusty mirage]

np

[ripe gulch]

so imagining i can snapshot one full bleed, garrote or rupture. i tend to prioritize rupture because it means more energy

is this correct?

[wide ridge]

you should always snapshot garrote and rupture

cast a garrote with like ~8 secs left on vendetta so it comes back for the end of it

then garrote and rupture b4 vendetta ends

[placid pagoda]

anyone know a way around theo not giving tea buff when swapping to vent?

its not in my bags

and he wont give it to me

[gusty mirage]

check to see if you have it in the bank, otherwise I'd open up a ticket

[placid pagoda]

banked it, thanks Oxi

[gusty mirage]

np

[limber lion]

Well technically this should never happen as you should plan out your cds and reapplications 6+ seconds ahead. But yew, Rupture is more valuable.

[ripe gulch]

yeah then i still dnt know how to play vendetta window properly

[spare flame]

Can someone help me understand what exactly Im doing during vendetta with this new tech? Is it just keeping everything refreshed, getting an envenom in if possible and then making sure to recast garrote/rupture at the very end of vendetta and then letting those tick out completely post vendetta?

Havent really played assa with tier yet and it feels really bizarre

[limber lion]

That's pretty much it.

[limber lion]

Comes with practice. My opener, as in the first 30 gcds that I press, is pretty much the exact same every single pull. The only variance comes in the middle of a pull.

[spare flame]

Can I ask your thoughts on assa so far this tier Ceverion? It seems pretty damn comparable to sub

[limber lion]

It's really good and definitely comparable. Some fights are much better fit for Sub, but Assa can definitely pull its weight on every single boss.

[subtle tundra]

tldr: it ok

[spare flame]

sub just feels real bad on some fights

[subtle tundra]

so does assa

[limber lion]

I've yet to find an encounter that feels bad for Assa, except maybe Jailer

Shit looks pretty awful having to run away every 3 seconds

[spare flame]

that extra step probably goes a long way on jailer

[native belfry]

xymox?

[limber lion]

Honestly fine.

[subtle tundra]

phase the boss when cds come up

poggers

kidney an add in range and burst it down with cds

[limber lion]

l2p

I never have issues with cd usage on the boss

all cds line up perfectly

[subtle tundra]

but

first intermission starts as your cds come

wat

[limber lion]

Yes

So you blast the shit out of the acolyte

[subtle tundra]

yea i love that 10 sec vendetta

fuck me

[spare flame]

im guessing legion timewalking is gonna narrow the gap even further with rin and countermeasure so much better for assa

[limber lion]

rip

[subtle tundra]

countermeasure isnt bis

[limber lion]

Countermeasure is bad

We play IQD/Sigil nowadays

But you need the ring fo sho

[spare flame]

really?

[subtle tundra]

it was really good bcs of frost set

[limber lion]

Yessir

[subtle tundra]

and it had crit

now its just good

[spare flame]

droptimizer has it as like 120 over heroic cache for me

[limber lion]

might wanna try simming a heroic sigil or an iqd then

[subtle tundra]

cache is not bis

[spare flame]

@ 272 tho

[limber lion]

cache is terrible

it's for padding purposes only

[native belfry]

did you venthyr xymox?

[limber lion]

Yes

I'm always the #1 or #2 dps on Xymox

[oak sky]

Necro will feel better on platforms

[limber lion]

looks pretty fine to me

[oak sky]

Venth feels pretty awful for platforms because everything dies so fast

[native belfry]

lul

so much room to improve

[limber lion]

Well, I personally did the 2nd platform where there is no cds to be had

So doesn't matter

[native belfry]

sub venth is perfectly fine

[oak sky]

We have cds for every platform and i got thrown on 2nd and 3rd

[limber lion]

wait

you save cds for platforms?

as assa?

[oak sky]

Me?

No

[limber lion]

wat

I'm talking about my personal cds

[oak sky]

Oh

[limber lion]

Of course we use hunter cds or whatever

[oak sky]

Yeye

[limber lion]

but I don't use no flags or vendettas there

[oak sky]

I think there was one lineup where i had a cd to throw in

Idk thi

Tho

[spare flame]

heroic sigil is like 18 dps over cache for me

[limber lion]

do you have 4p

[spare flame]

yeah

[limber lion]

link the sim

[spare flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6suBQnULGEkGY7CxkZmfgQ

[oak sky]

I wonder how much sim dps my 20 ilvl phial upgrade is

[spare flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wEQyiGEuKeiXdT7u63LH6F

countermeasure 170 dps

[limber lion]

welp. I still wouldn't grind out a countermeasure, Sigil/IQD will pull through eventually. Not entirely sure why Sigil is only a 35 dps upgrade.

[spare flame]

That Tirathons betrayl is huge for my sub set for some reason. Havent even heard of that trinket

[oak sky]

Nice pfp

I just watched that movie 2d ago

[north pecan]

where can I find the latest APL on github for assassination?

[limber lion]

That's a weird question

You can find the most up to date apl by simming your character and then opening up the sim

[spare flame]

how often are you holding vendetta for flag?

[limber lion]

always

[zinc frost]

Everything lines up pretty well tho, not holding vendetta for long before flag comes up.

[spare flame]

are you guys ever holding shiv for vendetta windows? sorry to spam I promise I check the guides and faq first

[oak sky]

yes

with venth you go shiv with vendetta, then shiv without vendetta, then hold shiv for vendetta

etc

[limber lion]

Just read the pin lol

[strange silo]

Whats your average dmg as sin in 15/16/17 keys guys? just wanna make sure that im on par with most ppl every time i look at overall i feel sad but i dont wanna play sub :d

[slow marsh]

like at least 69

[oak sky]

doesnt matter as long as the key gets timed YEP

[spice spire]

I’m bad but 15ish is average for me, but when you’re top dam in guild runs, the key is slower than most

[oak sky]

depends on dungeon as well

some you do less overall because theres less aoe, some other classes do less because pull sizes make their rotation awkward

[slow marsh]

i usually do like 9k cuz i spend every global kidney'ing

[oak sky]

true ethical utility

[hollow river]

it's shadow damage. p big

[spice spire]

The best of us all

[oak sky]

4k io here he comes

[slow marsh]

why not, i dont do damage anyways right

may as well use that legendary rogue utility

[oak sky]

its fine dude 13k is good damage

[torn atlas]

I'm happy if I can get 10k over all, but yeah. So many different factors that can change in a key.

[oak sky]

hey its all about progress everyone has different goals and things theyre going for

if 10k works for you then 10k is plenty

[torn atlas]

The temptation to switch to sub with 4 set on Wednesday is strong haha

[strange python]

swapped to sub after 4 set for keys and couldnt be happier

enjoy getting brought out of stealth by relics and losing subterfuge

enjoy losing track of your vendetta target in a massive pack

[oak sky]

enjoy hating on people having fun

[strange python]

not hating

im just saying

[spice spire]

Plater exists for this reason tho

But also, if you’re vendettaing you’re committing to a dude

[strange python]

its not just losing track its also just i personally dont like constantly redotting vendetta guy instead of multi dotting

nah if you're having fun tho who am i to say otherwise

i was just speaking of it personally

[oak sky]

enjoy your rng tier set then

[strange python]

much less of an inconvenience

far easier to use

does more damage

spiteful week on sin made me feel things

[torn atlas]

Nah they bone spike target practice

[strange python]

well ya just cant restealth

[oak sky]

restealth isnt even a super massive damage increase

in a dungeon overall

chain pulling is still really nice for you because you keep alacrity stacks

[strange python]

idk i was extremely triggered not being able to open with garrotes on stuff

[oak sky]

yeah it can be annoying

but if you come at it from the angle that you don't actually lose a super insane amount of damage it feels less bad

[strange python]

if the numbers back it up i have nothing to say, but my garrote damage was considerably lower at the end of a key

[oak sky]

theres been sims and stuff in the past

its obviously a loss but its smaller than you might think

[strange python]

yeah its a matter of it breaking the comfortable way of playing

which is frustrating

[zinc frost]

I think sub is a lot more enjoyable during spiteful with how easy it is to just get easy CP from them from storm

[strange python]

i switched to sub on that week, and havent swapped back since then

it tilted me too hard

still sin for raid though, kyrian sub hurts me

[zinc frost]

No doubt sub is king for keys, but MFD venth is actually decent for sin in keys. There’s a lot going on but ST/prio damage is huge

[strange python]

yeah the effort required is not even close

[brazen zodiac]

even from that angle still feels like dog xd

[torn atlas]

The trick is to stealth immediately after the last trash dies and before spite becomes aggressive.

[brazen zodiac]

oh believe me brother we spammin that restealth

50/50 if it works xd

[nocturne torrent]

Looking through Logs it looks like most sin are plying venth still but sims etc say NF at 4p. Just curious if I should swap to nf over venth or not? Currently an alt but possibly swapping from DH for mythic

[balmy condor]

venth should sim higher

if it isn't, you're probably not simming the build properly

[nocturne torrent]

Okay, so I’m probably good to stick with venth then? I also saw necro has some uses but tbh aoe isn’t an issue in our comp

[balmy condor]

yes

[nocturne torrent]

👌🏽 ty kind sir

[balmy condor]

venth is the preferred covenant

[nocturne torrent]

Also saves me the headache of grinding renown

[viscid spear]

Do it anyway

[nocturne torrent]

Ugh, honestly shit needs to be account wide at this point.

[viscid spear]

I'm doing Kyrian for Sub right now, only one I have left and I'll have all 4 at 80 on one character

[nocturne torrent]

Yeah it just sucks, ive done them all to 80 spread across various characters. Its just pointless this far in xpac to make people so it again if youve done it once on the account. Also honestly one of the reasons i dont want to sub over sin besides just liking sin better annnnd my MOP CM special effects only working for Mut is fuck doing kyrian again

I also dont havea sylv dagger for my oh

[viscid spear]

I'd agree but I've never gotten Kyrian to 80 on anyone yet

[obtuse robin]

can u cloack jailer mc?

[versed mica]

Cloak jailer Mc? Yes

At least normal and heroic, can't speak for mythic

[brazen zodiac]

wait pog

[versed mica]

Wait, which MC?

[obtuse robin]

the los

[brazen zodiac]

if first phase probably not worth tbh

[versed mica]

The Los yes

[brazen zodiac]

in my experience all my of cds lined up when he casted the giant aoe smash thingy

so i just saved cloak for that

[versed mica]

The targeted MC that makes you walk to the edge I don't think you can precloak that

My cds line up on aoe mc so I used it then

[brazen zodiac]

thats the p2 mc yeah?

[versed mica]

P2 mc yeah

[brazen zodiac]

cant cloak tht u mena? srry

[versed mica]

Ye

[brazen zodiac]

gotcha

[versed mica]

Or rather I don't think you can

Haven't tested it myself

[hollow river]

well heroic jailer is 2ez

[strange python]

Yes/no leave guild because they're unwilling to farm ring because they want to play elden ring

[oak sky]

[solar stump]

the mystical elusive 278?

[oak sky]

we got 4 lol

[solar stump]

big grats dude

[strange python]

Lol you weren't benched for pantheon?

[oak sky]

nah they cant bench me

i got bitch spots and stuff

[strange python]

I'm about to leave my HoF guild for whatever CE home will have me. Maybe I'll get that same treatment

[oak sky]

i died to animastorm damage

but it didnt really matter

because i have to kill an add

so i do no p3 damage anyways

[strange python]

You don't just make ranged kill the ranged mobs???

[oak sky]

people dont do good damage

so a lot of melee got assigned to help

[strange python]

Sounds better to me tbh

[oak sky]

our monk got to stay on boss

i dont mind doing it

it just fucks my damage

[strange python]

I'm so unbelievably triggered by my guilds preemptive refusal to help farm court

I've already taken to fuckin reddit to find groups for tomorrow

[oak sky]

lol we're gonna be farming like everything

but its no pressure

[strange python]

"who cares it's just a bis ring"

[oak sky]

people just want to farm trinkets

[strange python]

It's a limited time bis item, I'm blown away by the refusal to care

[cobalt pelican]

the scale of dps gained vs potential time sunk into it isn't very.. good

by all means ram your own skull against a wall all week and beg for everyones key but i mean it's not weird nobody wants to do it with you

[strange python]

Not like there's much else to farm and we're hall of fame. We should care.

They should be going for prism/faulty, I should be going for ring

[obtuse robin]

?

we already farm m+ for vault

[strange python]

Legion doesn't come from vault

[obtuse robin]

meanning we are already running m+ for vault lol

so do it for timewalking

[oak sky]

murdering the lihuvim add

[tired falcon]

Problem is that it’s not very efficient

[strange python]

Doing court on 15s is a trap. You spam 2s

[tired falcon]

If you are farming for trinket, u aren’t doing 25

15*

Ur doing the lowest keys possible

[strange python]

And if your guild isn't being shitty, you do +2s in a 5stack

To reroll after each key

[obtuse robin]

it still takes 400 honor per?

[strange python]

250 for rings

[obtuse robin]

based

[strange python]

It takes 6 minutes to finish a +2 run

[mortal pike]

what piece you guys catalsying tomorrow

[balmy condor]

boots

[zinc frost]

Gloves, cause it’s the only piece I’m missing

[oak sky]

dont have anything to catalyze

[brazen zodiac]

chest or helm :o

[blazing pumice]

i didn't do legion timewalking last time it was available, why would you do mythic 2 runs and not 15, doesn't it cost valor to upgrade?

[hollow river]

yes it costs valor to upgrade

but +2s are super fast and easy

[blazing pumice]

valor is still valuable this early in tier tho

[hollow river]

so to try and squeeze in as many as possible you'd spam 2s

sure but for assa the ring is bis

trinket is close to bis

and the caps still rising, next week the cap is like 5250

i've spent 0 valor so far

[split grail]

So I have my 4pc and I'm playing NF. I thought second vendetta was supposes to line up with second sepsis but my sep always have a good 20secs left before it's ready. Do I wait for them to line up or just pop the sepsis?

[grim tangle]

killing M halondrus without warrior or WFT was pretty cringe

[blazing pumice]

whetstone is good?

i just simmed it for sub and it was lower than grim codex

[split grail]

Anyone have an answer for my above question? Am I doing something wrong?

[hollow river]

why?

[hollow river]

second vendetta should not line up

it should be Sep+Vend+Shiv, Vend+Shiv, Sep+Vend+Shiv, etc

something like that iirc

[split grail]

I see, so save my shiv if vendetta is coming

Makes sense with the 4pc

[grim tangle]

our warrior had a "family emergency" and I guess our shaman was like: "if we have no battle shout I'm going ele!"

[hollow river]

he just abandoned the rest of the melee..?

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

Same. I have xymox shoulders but i also already got set shoulders from m+ vault

[gusty mirage]

save your charge, even though we don't know if thats even possible

[marble hemlock]

Yeah it's kinda dumb. I got a decent belt but ye

[gusty mirage]

idk what to even catalyze either

[marble hemlock]

Maybe I'll get lucky with great vault for a base

[gusty mirage]

I don't get loot on my rogue

lol

[marble hemlock]

Still using normal halondrus pants

[gusty mirage]

do I upgrade m+ pants to 272 and catalyze those?

[marble hemlock]

Ye I'm 270 equipped

[gusty mirage]

same

and so is my alt warrior that was 178 3 weeks ago

[marble hemlock]

Think average in our raid is 273

[marble hemlock]

Lol

[uneven hamlet]

i'll prob turn a 262 shoulder into tier and craft akkaris head, biggest gains in the long run for me

[oak sky]

we do know thats possible

theyve said the entire time that charges stack up

and alts will get all the charges that they should have

[gusty mirage]

where

[oak sky]

they also said it a few times in ptr

[gusty mirage]

they also mentioned having an option to "freeze" certain gear if you had multiple options in vault in ptr

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

[oak sky]

but this was in

their creation catalyst release faq

from 3 days ago

[gusty mirage]

I'm not saying it's not

[rotund oak]

The play is opening the vault,getting 1 278 tier piece,then going to catalyst and boom 278 or 272 another

idk why but i dont like the tier gloves

ill go with head/shoulders/pants/chest

[strange python]

Aight we did it. Leave guild over time walking ring complete.

[oak sky]

only a little petty

[solid venture]

[strange python]

If we have HoF aspirations we should be going for bis on all our players during limited time events instead of pushing short term IO with pugs in 23s.

No one wants to help our enh get prism either

[glass tulip]

Can't wait to grind tomorrow boys, I'll be hosting a +2 reroll spam for the ring

[solid venture]

Howmuch valor will it cost to upgrade a +2 ring to max tho

[glass tulip]

2250

From 1 to 12

Mmm I take that back, 2750

[solid venture]

Ah I should have more than enough then, only upgraded phial so far

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

I won't have enough for a couple weeks but that's okay

[solid venture]

[glass tulip]

Not having a bis ring will be fine until late mythic and my guilds players are having a bit of a mechanics crisis

So I am imagining we are going to be a little hardstuck at halondrus / anduin until we can recruit a few more peeps

[solid venture]

That ring will be omega giga good on crab boi tho

I need that shit asap

[glass tulip]

I'll be playing with tier set for the first time tomorrow so that'll be an extra challenge lol

Will be on training dummies between keys

[solid venture]

It's honestly not as hard as people think it is :p

Just gotta get some muscle memory in

[flint raptor]

yo guys, what ring are you targeting?

[spice spire]

Signet of melandrus

[flint raptor]

That with autoattacks?

[solid venture]

SIUUUUU

[flint raptor]

alright thanks

[glass tulip]

I don't think it will be that difficult but some of our players are rather... Special

And have a hard time finding their personal defensives

Floor huggers, some might call them

[spice spire]

Greyscale enjoyers

[solid venture]

Ah I see

Gandalf the Grey parse cosplayers

[spice spire]

Amen

[glass tulip]

Grape arse players

[balmy condor]

Can’t play games without sylv dagger what do

[solid venture]

Get 34% crit

[glass tulip]

Cry like I have been for 6 weeks

[solid venture]

All ur problems will be solved

[frosty bridge]

Does Theo sim with % main stat tea by default?

[balmy condor]

25% uptime of every buff

Basically an average

[placid dawn]

Should I use zoldyck and necro on pantheon?

[mortal pike]

at least for my guild p3 pantheon was too fast to really feel zold was worth

wish I went duskers

[subtle tundra]

Pantheon is a meme

[mortal pike]

Our kill time was close to 5:30 our p3 melted

[subtle tundra]

I played venthyr and I was on add kill duty

I had like 0 dps

[spice spire]

New varas pfp TYBG

[oak sky]

lemonke

[subtle tundra]

Its monkey business

[oak sky]

he just monkeing around

[placid dawn]

I feel like with dusk on p3 I dont have time to keep bleeds up on other bosses during vendetta

Should I just apply them once and then blast vendetta and apply again after vendetta is done?

[indigo mulch]

Our guild just benched our rogues and brought affliction warlocks dueing prog

[oak sky]

pretty much yeah

[normal mist]

Is it that bad that I like to compete for ranking on parses? I mean I'm not shiting on anyone nor am I queuing with priests for PI, I just enjoy doing my absolute best possible to increase my ranking amongst other assa rogues

[oak sky]

nope its not bad

good way to track your self improvement

[normal mist]

Yesterday I've finally managed to understand how to make logs myself instead of relying on others to do it. (Missing good hc kills logged bcs of that)

Now I'm slowly starting to make my way up in hc, even tho I'm just 7/11 (I'm just pugging hc which makes it a bit harder)

[glass tulip]

Loggerhead addon + warcraftlogs companion app

Goated duo for keeping logs, private or guild

[normal mist]

I can't remember if im using that first one but I'm live logging with w.logs app yes

[next dune]

Just depends. It's a shit thing to do in prog. You're trying to progress, not compete with your own guildies. You still need to do your job and your rotation, but we all know the guy who wipes the raid because "zomg me parse."

But yeah man, as long as you're not throwing logs in people's faces and spamming chat with strings of numbers, you're good.

[normal mist]

Nah it's just for myself

I like doing good and improving

And, per example yesterday I went to kill jailer bcs I had a blue parse and wanted to do better. Failed miserably and got blue again.
But then I killed it again and got a decent one :3

So yeah I killed jailer 3 times this week just for funs

(Normal)

[next dune]

Most of the time it has to do with gear and time on target. Best way to check is compare your cast times with others and see how things are lining up

I've found mistakes in my rotations or different timing on certain phases that way many times

[normal mist]

Also did that for my 3rd kill yesterday altought sometimes mechanics get in the way

Like bombs

I also should play with DBM

But I haven't since legion xD

[oak sky]

Dbm and bigwigs are both goof

Good

[normal mist]

I know, I just memorize everything really

Worst part of not playing with dbm

Are the dbm pulls

"Ppl started moving, must be reaching 0"

[subtle tundra]

i mean

just get it

really takes 20 seconds

[normal mist]

Never understood how to put stuff where i wanted do i gave up

XD

[misty holly]

So are there just going to be thousands of rogues queuing court of stars all week then?

Dungeon journal shows 12 possible loot drops.

With a 40% chance to loot something each run.

assuming no weighting of some items being more rare or more common, I think it's a 3.3% chance to get the ring each run.

I'm expecting 50+ runs then to have a decent shot at it.

This week is going to suck.

Because I know 50 runs isn't just 50 runs. It's also camping the group finder between each key.

Thats like 25 hours in the dunegon, and probably another 25+hours refreshing group finder.

[glass tulip]

yep

[drowsy parcel]

Everyone can loot the ring, casters etc

[glass tulip]

tank + 4 dps

[drowsy parcel]

Its not gonna be as bad as votw trinket, thank god that shit isnt bis

[glass tulip]

last time I got it in 34 runs so I am ready for 10 a day

prio list is def ring > fcm > tb

[vestal wren]

i think fcm and tb is similar in value for sin

!fuu moment

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[misty holly]

what is fcm and tb?

[vestal wren]

ye, they are very close

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/963173849422237696/timewalking_pieces.png

^ the bottom 2 trinkets from vow

[misty holly]

ooh ty

[sour helm]

Is there a bis list of the items you can get from legion timewalking?

[glass tulip]

the 3 items in that screenshot are what you want to farm if anything

[ripe gulch]

Do you have a log I can look at? Or the rotation written down somewhere

[sour helm]

Thank you verymuch!

[glass tulip]

2nd pin down in this channel

[normal mist]

What piece from the tier would we want to change, legs?

[strange python]

Na?

[lone junco]

Got to educate some mythic raiders about log banding. unnh.

Rip Legion when Assassin ST was narrow banded, and almost impossible to mess up.

I do think the max or 95% parses can be misleading. The real story is when the 25% assassin beats the 50% of the next best, and the max of some.

[normal mist]

Idk where did that come from nor my brain was able to understand it

[inland heath]

is the autoatack ring bis for assa?

[hollow river]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

Can I yoink this for a pin?

[brazen zodiac]

toodays the day

court of stars

[vestal wren]

sure

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

i already used it for a pin in #subtlety

[gusty mirage]

It’ll have more exposure than my discord status

[gusty mirage]

Legion Timewalking:
It's that time again, everyone's favorite Timewalking Event. You're probably thinking, hey what pieces am I looking for? Luckily for you, it's pretty much the same as last time. The best pieces are no different than last time (with the exception of Tirathon's Betrayal being pretty darn good this time around). We still want the Jeweled Signet.

**Ideally, you should run a Droptimizer for Legion TW and see exactly much each piece is for you DPS wise and figure out which pieces to target specifically. ** You can search Legion Timewalking specifically on droptimizer, and you should. General advice will never give you the best picture for your character and your gear.

Advice for Farming:
There are a few different takes on farming legion TW pieces. Some people will suggest running low keys repeatedly to maximize how many runs you can get in this week and some will suggest doing as high of a run as possible so you can minimize the cost of upgrading. Only you know which is viable for yourself and you should adjust based on how much valor you have. If you've been upgrading things with valor the 2nd option is probably better for you.

Links:
Jeweled Signet of Melandrus - https://www.wowhead.com/item=134542/jeweled-signet-of-melandrus
Tirathon's Betrayal - https://www.wowhead.com/item=137537/tirathons-betrayal
Faulty Countermeasure - https://www.wowhead.com/item=137539/faulty-countermeasure

*Special thanks to @vestal wren for the graphic

[limber swallow]

now, if I could just find someone other than me to actually go farm these dumb things...

[hollow escarp]

you would be surprised

+2 CoS - 1 tank 4 dps - 3k io minimum - 4 set

[misty holly]

and link cutting edge or no invite.

[drowsy parcel]

how much valor is it to upgrade from +2?

[rotund oak]

also sister n@d@s

[hollow escarp]

I might have enough for ring

[rotund oak]

ive stored 2k another 1k next week

im gucci

[hollow escarp]

I'm still using 246 ring

on Halondrus at least

so any upgrade is good enough for now

[limber swallow]

I'm also still using the 246 ring

it's 250/level and from an M+ 2, it's going to be what 239?

[hollow escarp]

236

[limber swallow]

yikes

[hardy dagger]

What do yall think of halondrus prog assa or sub

[hollow escarp]

assa is fine

[rotund oak]

1k/12ilvls

1k valor

[hollow escarp]

I'm usually top dps on most pulls unless the enha shaman or the other sub rogue get good procs

but this is my damage breakdown

ad carry build

[drowsy parcel]

it was the same for me, usually on top but sometimes the rng boys gets a good pull

was on top on the kill too

[hollow escarp]

I drop a lot when we stop dps after reclaim

feels bad but it is what it is

[hollow escarp]

grats on kill

[mortal pike]

[drowsy parcel]

[kindred rapids]

sheesh

[kindred heron]

Gratz on phial x)

[rotund oak]

if u get to loot sigil or get a trade on tier piece phial yeah

All things considered,its a huge GV big gz

[gusty mirage]

285 shoulders from raid, ez phial

[mortal pike]

yea im not really considering tier

[gusty mirage]

ye I'd be torn between sigil & phial

[mortal pike]

I dont have a sigil at all yet tho

[gusty mirage]

I'd lean toward phial because you can eventually get sigil

[mortal pike]

yea exactly haha

[gusty mirage]

I'm scared to check my vault now 😦

[mortal pike]

I have so many gear options to consider with catalyst out T.T

surprisingly phial only simming 100 dps up

[pure moth]

Nice vault

[slow marsh]

pog finally got bis trinket in vault let's goooooooo

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

nice outlaw neck

[subtle tundra]

nice shoulders

278 tier

[hollow escarp]

it's not tier

[subtle tundra]

its catalyst week

[gusty mirage]

we convert pants

[subtle tundra]

[gusty mirage]

I have 272 tier

for shoulders

[subtle tundra]

thats a you problem

[gusty mirage]

vs 262 pants

[carmine dawn]

[subtle tundra]

do you have 278 pantaloons already

[carmine dawn]

Sub is full of people spamming vault like omgomgomg what do I take

[slow marsh]

huge trinket

[gusty mirage]

no sir

[subtle tundra]

well then

[carmine dawn]

Assa is just “look how shit my vault is lol”

[gusty mirage]

this is my first 278 piece besides belt

[subtle tundra]

278 pantaloons right there!

thats a W

[hardy dagger]

Aye assa seems really good but I have not played it enough this patch to prog halondrus with bomb and all that

[echo geyser]

!affix

[prisma monolith]

Affixes: Fortified, Bolstering, Quaking, Encrypted

[gusty mirage]

ye I was worried I'd have to catalyze the 262 pants and upgrade them

[echo geyser]

@gusty mirage whats the affixes

[carmine dawn]

!ramfam

[gusty mirage]

more valor for upgrading my cos ring

[gusty mirage]

sanguine storming

[subtle tundra]

yea this is a go next week

actually folyr week

omega brewmaster

[hollow escarp]

not a bad week

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

what if they forgot to scale legion keys

and they have 9.1 hp

[gusty mirage]

they probably did

[slow marsh]

it would be nice considering how legion tw was last go around

[subtle tundra]

wf +35 cos

[gusty mirage]

alright boys testing the catalyst

[hidden bloom]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty mirage]

now I feel less shitty

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

pogging

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

they found a way to make haste/mastery pants not feel like shit

[hollow river]

I’m unsure what I’m gonna catalyst

[gusty mirage]

I'm happy

[vestal wren]

gz

[hollow river]

Belt is biggest upgrade atm

[subtle tundra]

belt is unity

[hollow river]

Wut

[subtle tundra]

belt is unity

[hollow river]

Nop

[subtle tundra]

cant you read

belt is unity

[hollow river]

Since when

[hollow river]

???

You’re making no sense spammer boy

[subtle tundra]

I SAID

BELT IS UNITY

[paper relic]

Lol he means he has belt unity not that its best

[rotund oak]

wrist crit haste ⛔

[hollow river]

Wrist is unity my friend, I’m sorry

[subtle tundra]

not when you have 278 socketed already

[hollow river]

Please check the guides

[autumn frost]

Guides are roadmaps but the best result is to always sim yourself

[vestal wren]

^ for gear, always sim

[hollow river]

Yeah sorry I don’t think anyone is simming unity slots every week when they get new gear

[vestal wren]

you can't do to much wrong with slots

most choices are within low % and you won't rly have the best item for the slot always

[stray mural]

its countermeasure farming season

[brazen zodiac]

i am

df

im based

[hollow river]

Can I have some gold then plz so I can join you

[thorn fjord]

Good luck boiz

[hollow river]

I haven’t been based enough lately

[brazen zodiac]

i just skin for a few hours a day lol its like an easy 500k

[hollow river]

I was making almost a mil per week when patch dropped but I’ve been too busy lately to keep it up

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[fathom flax]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3tiJkqbsLG1bJsBNWeGsG5

i'll take it

only 70 dps (ignore the talent swap)

yo this aint sub lol

[echo geyser]

[winter gale]

When should I refresh CT, sub 3 sec or?

[viscid spear]

Is it even that good now?
I'm focused on the CoS ring right now

[brazen zodiac]

i got CoS if anyone wants 2 run it

lul

19

[celest ruin]

anyone else getting dced from court of stars?

[brazen zodiac]

havent ran it yet

[mortal pike]

mine was fine

[bitter badger]

question, my sin rogue sims 1k higher than sub, but sub is better on anduin (or maybe not, this is just what i feel), so should i play sin or sub in anduin?

[strange python]

Paying four people 300k each to do spam funnel runs. Kill me

[subtle tundra]

mythic?

[bitter badger]

nah heroic

[subtle tundra]

then play whatever

[strange python]

Sub is probably better for anduin but if it's heroic the enrage timer is not right

Tight*

[stray mural]

For CoS?

[fallow canopy]

Thanks to the catalyst I'm now a certified 4p enjoyer

[bitter badger]

okie dokie, thanks

[strange python]

Probably gonna be yeah

I got a few willing to be friends but I'm sure they'll tap out and the others want gold

Finally broke the 15.5k sim though. Officially ahead of sub

[wide ridge]

easy phial right

i got a 278 dagger already

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[strange python]

Phial

@slow marsh you went to refined?

[slow marsh]

ye

[spice spire]

Yes man

[strange python]

I love macro

[slow marsh]

How do you know him

[worn badger]

Hi. im probably just dumb or old but i cant seem to find if we shoud be usuing oil or stones with 4pc and phanton or agi pots for single target ?

[spice spire]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[worn badger]

sweet, thanks

[slow marsh]

Cool so I guess CoS is just bugged to hell

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

thanks, NA

bug testers

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

short answer, stones + agi pot

[celest ruin]

how did you guys do it

[slow marsh]

Just sitting here after having group dc twice in different spots and someone said 8 different groups dc'd at different parts of the instance and got bricked

[gusty mirage]

ye someone in my guild was running cos

and just kept getting dc'd

[slow marsh]

I wonder if they're hot fixing the difficulty cuz that shit was EASY

[solid venture]

thank you for beta testing once again my american brethren

[strange python]

Played in delusion when I was a warlock

Nathria

[slow marsh]

ah nice yeah he seems cool

[strange python]

You're new there?

[slow marsh]

yeah like 3 weeks

[strange python]

He's the most like, open to feedback+providing feedback GM I've had