brother if you play well and slam all specs are good
#assassination
abstract leaf
bleak sky
it stabilized the graph instead of crashing
abstract leaf
it's that simple
spice spire
I’ve been hard investing in Ele sham don’t worry 
fleet anchor
Checking an AoE fight
spice spire
Think it’s a dark horse this tier
bleak sky
ele stonks down BAD quake
fleet anchor
That rise in the last few days for Assassination
fleet anchor
Surely that must be the FoK buff
tidal gorge
balmy condor
Surely that must be the FoK buff
naturally
spice spire
Sold DH high
timid cloud
Feral is Bitcoin.
subtle tundra
feral will be big??
bleak sky
@fleet anchor can't you pull a few strings and make blizz rework dh necro/nf leggo?
bleak sky
gusty mirage
I’ve been hard investing in Ele sham don’t worry <:Sinscheme:540181921913896971>
Oh that’s why your name is make it quake
bleak sky
that 5% did wonders for destro
spice spire
Oh that’s why your name is make it quake
Insider trading 
spice spire
hollow river
I’ve been hard investing in Ele sham don’t worry <:Sinscheme:540181921913896971>
Bro?
slow marsh
Buddy I’m an OTP
quakewar?
spice spire
You seen those parses?
They’re rough
Not even bringing quakethree in the equation tho Smdh
fading wigeon
I bought a little of each stock, so got a lock and mage ready to go
solid mica
They need to make subterfuge apply all 3 garrotes on 1 application from stealth
bleak sky
quake should be a pale name like me
slow marsh
Buddy I'm an OTP
balmy condor
QUAKETHREE
slow marsh
slow marsh
leveling my paladin now
spice spire
Fellas really do be log watching damn
bleak sky
I don't know what happened to minalbapoly, but it's not even level 60
minalbaint STRONK though
spice spire
(There’s 4 toons missing from that list)
bleak sky
Fellas really do be log watching damn
I keep you on my bookmarked
spice spire
me getting a dm at 2 am (minalba’s 46th hour awake) “yo Grats on that io key that was 29.65% under timed homie
slow marsh
I really am about to level a ret pal
gusty mirage
I just get abused in DMs by minalba
slow marsh
taking ideas for iceblades ret pal name since i'm sure that Ppbreath isn't gonna work long term
tidal gorge
My go-to ret pal name has always been Lawfulcopter
spice spire
taking ideas for iceblades ret pal name since i'm sure that Ppbreath isn't gonna...
Icebladesrat (instead of ret, get it?)
balmy condor
Icebladesrat (instead of ret, get it?)
isn't that just his full name
spice spire
Damn it really is a family name
oak sky
We out here with every class leveled to at least 50
slow marsh
I wish
spice spire
I think the last to reach it this tier will be quakehunt
slow marsh
i only have rogue hunter dk 60 then monk sham are over 50
spice spire
48 rn
limber lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7cf6Rx4GseGjQ7thoAWV1F
maybe I'll get some upgrades next week :(
oak sky
Im probably only gonna do dk to 60 and then give up on leveling
slow marsh
gtfo cev with your cracked out sims
oak sky
Im over 1k below cev 
limber lion
gtfo cev with your cracked out sims
LMAO
spice spire
Pal DK Rogue Mage DH Lock Shaman
Hunter soon
bleak sky
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7cf6Rx4GseGjQ7thoAWV1F
maybe I'll get som...
"ill get some upgrades"
buddy
you got your upgrades already
🥄
slow marsh
double 278 daggers
oak sky
Im trinket impaired lmao
limber lion
balmy condor
this man said "maybe upgrades" and then linked a 274 equipped sim
bleak sky
Im trinket impaired lmao
better than tier impaired
limber lion
I've been 274 for 2 weeks now though :( very sad pls donate
bleak sky
8 278 pieces
slow marsh
this man said "maybe upgrades" and then linked a 274 equipped sim
with a 246 ring btw
fleet anchor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7cf6Rx4GseGjQ7thoAWV1F
maybe I'll get som...
15.6k lol... "will get some upgrades" 🤣
balmy condor
his equipped is higher than my bag
spice spire
I've been 274 for 2 weeks now though :( very sad pls donate
Buddy I told you
bleak sky
cev can you please remove yourself from this channel and this convo? ty
spice spire
You’re done for the tier
No loot will drop now
It’s over
You get GIGA juiced early on
Then drought city
fleet anchor
Sitting on 14.8k and didn't get a single piece of loot this week. Feels good.
tidal gorge
Oh no how will you ever perform with that ilvl 
balmy condor
I see now why cev can play sin
he's just 5 ilvl above every sub player in this server
slow marsh
this is all i got https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/91v2DneT8nSG7kuWvgPS54
oak sky
Im 270 
limber lion
You get GIGA juiced early on
yeh, I'll get Rygelon dagger the week before 10.0 releases
oak sky
I sim 14.2 dude where does it come from
fleet anchor
Easiest way to get R1 on every pull is just sim 1k higher DPS than everyone else 😄
limber lion
I'm kinda glad I'm perma-benched on HallyD so I can never get its trash loot in the vault
bleak sky
I sim 14.2 dude where does it come from
just play better
limber lion
Easiest way to get R1 on every pull is just sim 1k higher DPS than everyone else...
blindfolded r1 speedrun inc
can't get r1's if you're dead, like I was today on Skolex and Artificer
would not recommend
fleet anchor
Install HeroRotation and then use a text to speech app to read the icon names to you and you'll be fine
Loot system is just trash though, I trade away all the gear drops I get because they are garbo
Getting Skolex cloak 3 weeks in a row 👌
tidal gorge
I got 285 shoulders in my vault, then got nothing out of mythic except the shoulders off sausage
RNG loot, great system
limber lion
I got 285 shoulders in my vault, then got nothing out of mythic except the shoul...
yo need???
tidal gorge
YUS
oak sky
I got the crit vers cape in my vault, then when they got the boe crit haste cape they sold it 
fleet anchor
Also I really wish Blizzard would realize that putting daggers on bosses with 5 items on their loot table is like the biggest feel bad in in the universe
Can't believe they have done it 3 tiers in a row
Active trolling at this point
Find the most cluttered loot table, then put a dagger on it 👌
ebon notch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7cf6Rx4GseGjQ7thoAWV1F
maybe I'll get som...
does artificer neck not outsim jailer for you?
limber lion
does artificer neck not outsim jailer for you?
nope
well, maybe it does with a socket
ebon notch
the mythic one even is only 25 dps
slow marsh
imagine not having the crit haste neck from vault with a socket
limber lion
but my jailer one has a socket, all the arti necks we've gotten don't have sockets
ebon notch
guess our stats are shifted around a bit
whats your ilvl with a 262 ring btw
should be around 276 or smth no?
ebon notch
im 200 dps and 2.5 ilevels behind you
limber lion
so exactly one ilvl
ebon notch
gap closing 👀
bleak sky
bruh all of you have cracked gear
ebon notch
275 ilevel 
oak sky
bruh all of you have cracked gear
Early mythic prog will do that to you
bleak sky
can't relate
ebon notch
we did split runs all of first mythic week
bleak sky
good guild? couldn't be me
oak sky
Same
ebon notch
i mean we're worse than rams guild rn by a fair bit
bleak sky
i mean we're worse than rams guild rn by a fair bit
halondrus prog is still pretty nice rn
ebon notch
halondrus prog is still pretty nice rn
we should kill any pull now
but we have had a lot of comp changes
slow marsh
i haven't even been able to do the middle tier prog the last couple weeks because basketball =\
oak sky
We bouta kill pantheon monday then move on to lithium
slow marsh
supposed to do lihuvium tonight and it's for sure a kill but i can't go =\
oak sky
Iceblades <basketball player>-IRL
bleak sky
iceblades 6'10 irl
bleak sky
i'd take 2 inches to be a solid 6'4
I bet you can take 2 inches
oak sky
bleak sky
slow marsh
been there done that homie wasn't a fun time
oak sky
LOL
ebon notch
We’re starting Lihuvim tonight <:Comfy:586465739511300096>
do the sylvanas p3 assigned positions strat
limber lion
Had a pretty decent kill on Lihuvim tonight as well
ebon notch
so much cleaner
limber lion
after wiping to it like 3 times lmao
hollow river
do the sylvanas p3 assigned positions strat
I’ve got 0 control over what we do lol
Can’t you just have 4 stacks of players or w/e
thin gate
guys
limber lion
I’ve got 0 control over what we do lol
As long as you don't use cds on the protoform schematics, you're gucci
thin gate
quick question is Assa playable again in M+ with the +30% on FOK?
hollow river
As long as you don't use cds on the protoform schematics, you're gucci
Why
limber lion
it's as playable as it was before
hollow river
What are the schematics
limber lion
it takes a long time to setup bleeds and you need 30s to take full advantage of Vend/Flag
and the add is alive for like 10s
lol
limber lion
What are the schematics
the ghostly things you kill that spawn adds
limber lion
shit guild if you have no say
hollow river
They tried to assign me to it on heroic the first time we did it
Tried to tell them it was a misplay
And just bad
“i don’t care”
limber lion
/gquit
hollow river
And we wiped to heroic because of that 
Then they put frost dk on it and we killed it 2nd pull ever
ebon notch
I’ve got 0 control over what we do lol
idk just make suggestions
hollow river
Nah I don’t bother with these guys anymore
ebon notch
day before lihuvim i made a big writeup with different strats we could do and what might work best for our raiders
and then nobody read it and we wiped for 4 hours
hollow river
Just do whatever they say
ebon notch
🙂
viscid spear
Our guild one-shot everything up to Halondrus, but we got it on second try. 
fleet anchor
shit guild if you have no say
I mean, I don't think it's unreasonable for a guild to request it on the first one. Most guilds will need basically every available CD--even in inefficient--to kill both with a split raid. And there's no lust on the opener so it's really whatever.
strange python
I mean I would just throw your CDs on the boss on pull and if they get pissy explain that using a 30 second CD on a 8 second add is stupid.
viscid spear
That's what happens when Quake shows up 
fleet anchor
If guilds are requiring holding CDs for the other alcoves, that's kinda silly though
limber lion
I mean, I don't think it's unreasonable for a guild to request it on the first o...
It's not whatever because it fucks up your cd rotation completely
strange python
But seriously consider playing sub for the first lihuvim kill if your guild is being anxious about CDs
limber lion
You using it on pull on the boss allows you to use it twice on the boss between each intermission
strange python
You can just send symbols on pull and have it up for schematic
limber lion
Plus it's very very minimal damage that you actually add on by using Vendetta/Flag there
but wasting hundreds of thousands of damage on the boss
hollow river
I’m going to play sub either way lol
limber lion
Just by the nature of Vendetta/Flag being abilities that are applied to the target, makes them shit for it
hollow river
I’m beyond done people not understanding assassination and rogue in general
limber lion
Fire Mages, Warlocks and whatnot can do that because they have self-buffs and are not glued to one target
strange python
That's a lot of understanding to be expected of what's likely a world 300-500 guild cev
subtle tundra
i dont think so
i think it should be quite known how the spec dmg works for each spec
limber lion
But that's why you can, as a raider, tell your raidleader what you think.
subtle tundra
if youre a raid leader
hollow river
Bro if guilds can cater to their frost DKs and warlocks and shit
limber lion
and why you think it's a complete waste there
hollow river
They can learn
hollow river
some raid leaders just dont care
This
limber lion
I can show you a few pulls from our first night of progression on it
when I used Vend on the add for exactly 2 pulls
strange python
A lot of raid leaders in that range deal with padwhoring players who will come up with any excuse imaginable to parse well. They're likely to be skeptical and not even want to hear it.
viscid spear
Just by the nature of Vendetta/Flag being abilities that are applied to the targ...
I just full send on Lihuvim, maybe the Defense Matrix if I want, but no real issue here 
strange python
^
strange python
We're like world 60 RN and our raid leader thinks all rogue specs are bad and doesn't care about vendetta being a longer duration single target CD
Not all raid leads care enough to listen
subtle tundra
if the difference isnt big enough between sub and assa, ill go assa
viscid spear
How badly do they need you to play Sub over Sin?
fleet anchor
You using it on pull on the boss allows you to use it twice on the boss between ...
Can't you do that anyway? First Schematic is at 0:20, second boss phase after second alcove isn't until like 3:16 anyway.. doesn't it realign because of this regardless?
Holding for the second alcove is a massive loss though
subtle tundra
the difference in dmg between me on assa and a sub on first add was less than 100k
an actual dps with actual dps cds should hold
not rogue
rogue 10 sec burst is a joke
in general
strange python
Sad that even sub is that way now too...
viscid spear
an actual dps with actual dps cds should hold
We had a Druid hold Convoke, worked nicely
clever kindle
sub is just hyper outlaw
strange python
I only did like 280k to the first schematic
ebon notch
thats the problem with assa, our damage rotation and cd setup is very static
sub just slams the kyrian ability and walks off
and does the same damage to another mob
it has portable damage we got non portable
subtle tundra
maybe youre just bad?
strange python
Can't you do that anyway? First Schematic is at 0:20, second boss phase after se...
Is it 20?? I will admit I'm awful at remembering timings, but my recollection is that I was getting symbols on pull and on first schematic
limber lion
Is it 20?? I will admit I'm awful at remembering timings, but my recollection is...
it's 25s
limber lion
i know having vendetta for like 5 seconds when he flies
how long you holding it for homie
subtle tundra
not at all?
strange python
I'm honestly just used to getting the short end of the stick as a rogue in raids.
viscid spear
Are you delaying Vend on pull or something?
subtle tundra
just doing normal opener
viscid spear
My Vend is just ending when he jumps to center
subtle tundra
maybe it was like 2-3 seconds
limber lion
yeh
fleet anchor
This is without
I mean I wouldn't expect your guild to have DPS issues on that type of thing given the players 😛
limber lion
I mean I wouldn't expect your guild to have DPS issues on that type of thing giv...
You would be surprised :p
fleet anchor
I do think it's going to be very typical until a nerf for most guilds to require all CDs on the first split though, the timing is super tight
limber lion
Most of our wipes early on were from poor dps on schematics
but we changed our players around a bit and then it worked out well every time
and had more of a plan for who uses cooldowns where
fleet anchor
As to if it's fair or not, maybe not but it's kinda a hard blocking point if you can't make the check and even small amounts help
limber lion
still relied quite a bit on monk ToD on most pulls
fleet anchor
We had our Shadow Priest make a similar argument the other day because they were low anyway
And shifted their CDs out
limber lion
Yeah but if you look at the pictures I linked
fleet anchor
And we didn't make the check
limber lion
You can see that there's very little difference
with and without Vendetta
And funnily enough I did more without Vend
than I did with it
viscid spear
Quake has 8 ilvls on me and did 1.5k more on Lihuvim 
limber lion
just mega gimping if you do that
fleet anchor
I mean I'm gonna admit I don't really see how that's possible, since Vendetta with 4pc + TB should actually be pretty effective over that duration
limber lion
okay I did have another pull where I did 216k as well
compared to 200k without
and one 221k and one 206k
fleet anchor
Honestly probably the most effective thing people can do but seem to forget is to save their on use damage trinkets for the alcove lol
limber lion
Yeh
fleet anchor
My Earthbreaker's was 25% of my damage 🤣
viscid spear
We each only did around 350k damage to schematics, so yeah not a lot
limber lion
Cache can be great if you get to wand the add
viscid spear
My Earthbreaker's was 25% of my damage 🤣
Isn't there a WA? Would really help me
limber lion
We each only did around 350k damage to schematics, so yeah not a lot
twice as much as me
fleet anchor
Isn't there a WA? Would really help me
For what specifically?
But I do think people really overhype the need for CDs on the later alcoves
limber lion
Today I popped off and was #8 in protoform damage without using a single cd ever
viscid spear
Isn't there a WA that helps with stepping on the quakes?
limber lion
just Shiv/MFD
fleet anchor
The biggest thing that causes problems with later alcoves
Is just people moving in too late
If everyone is there on time you should be able to kill them trivially with no saved CDs imo
viscid spear
Today I popped off and was #8 in protoform damage without using a single cd ever
Here's ours from last night, I'm the first Rogue
limber lion
is that from a kill?
viscid spear
Yeah
viscid spear
Yeah, heroic
limber lion
welp
fleet anchor
Feral niche
balmy condor
he has the power of god and anime on his side
fleet anchor
Isn't there a WA? Would really help me
I'm not aware of one personally
balmy condor
what can you do
fleet anchor
One thing I do recommend to people with Earthbreaker's
Is not to chase them right away
viscid spear
How long do the fissures last?
fleet anchor
I honestly prefer to wait for all 3 to spawn before moving
The whole duration of the buff
viscid spear
Okay so only 3 spawn each time?
fleet anchor
3 total, they are staggered a bit
balmy condor
(the buff is 12s for those who don't know that it gives a buff)
viscid spear
Mhm, yeah
fleet anchor
But often 2 can spawn on top of each other if you don't move
Also moving far can cause the last one to spawn further
If you move too early
fleet anchor
he has the power of god and anime on his side
lol yeah.. one of the guild incentives for our pre-raid legendary mat donation drive was the top person got to rename Babs for a month 😛
Poor guy
viscid spear
Did it have to include Babs in the name or was the person just nice?
fleet anchor
I didn't have to include it, but his first suggestion had about a 104% chance of being reported so this was his backup 🤣
spice spire
Here's ours from last night, I'm the first Rogue
We only killed one at a time so it’s pretty tame.
I may or may not have unethically held CDs - it was blown up anyway
fleet anchor
Mhm, yeah
I do have a WA to show the duration of the 12s buff though, just so I can keep an eye on how long I have
viscid spear
I did Flag one, in your defense
bleak sky
that your guild?
fleet anchor
Yes that's from our kill last night
viscid spear
I shouldn't have, but spaced out
bleak sky
oak sky
Feral op nerf pls
fleet anchor
I think he was saving his Convoke for some of the later ones but like.. what else is Feral gonna do there other than be depressed at all the AoE 🤣
viscid spear
Sometimes Ferals can be good people 
fleet anchor
Yes, that is my character
limber lion
stalker minalba
bleak sky
logwatching list just got a little longer
oak sky
Dont wanna watch my logs rn
spice spire
stalker minalba
Fellows really do get addicted to log watching
limber lion
aight time to check out Agreonr-Tichondrius
oak sky
My logs are L
jade abyss
when i have my set bonus i will use poison bomb or ct in single target ?
spice spire
I did Flag one, in your defense
Defense matrix dam
balmy condor
when i have my set bonus i will use poison bomb or ct in single target ?
CT on venth, pb otherwise
viscid spear
limber lion
man's looking for a new guild
viscid spear
Defense matrix dam <:Sinscheme:540181921913896971>
3rd tho 
limber lion
but lying about playing outlaw
oak sky
LOL
limber lion
lmaoo
spice spire
3rd tho <a:PU_PeepoCheering:585915984762896425>
Yessir
oak sky
Bro i just put it on there ok
bleak sky
Nobody hits my line anymore
beats having a racist guild wanting you to join them
fleet anchor
But it's ok, I don't really get any fun parsing opportunities because of unethical tank damage
bleak sky
fleet anchor
oak sky
I could play outlaw if i put in time
limber lion
But it's ok, I don't really get any fun parsing opportunities because of unethic...
Don't pad on the adds
spice spire
lmaoo
Agreonr-Tichondrius the typea dude that says he speaks French but only knows how to say bonjour
oak sky
beats having a racist guild wanting you to join them
I would love to join a racist guild and use them as a stepping stone, great excuse for leaving quickly
bleak sky
📸
spice spire
Man can hit N and swap to outlaw, says he plays it
oak sky
Agreonr-Tichondrius the typea dude that says he speaks French but only knows how...
Bro i literally could play outlaw i know all the shit i just dont need to play it
bleak sky
caught in 4k bozo
fleet anchor
Don't pad on the adds
If I wasn't intended to pad on the adds, God would not have invented Black Powder
limber lion
here's ours
devout glen
Are the legion time walking trinkets of any significance
limber lion
hugging the demo at the bottom
spice spire
Yeah that one is going in the vault ag
limber lion
adds go brrr
fleet anchor
Guardian Druids are lol
spice spire
Maybe rupture
oak sky
Yeah that one is going in the vault ag
😏
limber lion
but all my homies enjoy boss deeps
look I'm almost the lowest ilvl in the team
???
viscid spear
I sbs
Yeah, your top damage to them was SBS
Mine was FoK because I spammed it and Ruptured each one
limber lion
pls spare a coin to your assa rogue
fleet anchor
Feel sorry for you man
bleak sky
bad ceverion
limber lion
lmaoo
fleet anchor
With your 1.2k higher sim than me
spice spire
but all my homies enjoy boss deeps
Top boss dam too
limber lion
okay I actually sim for 15.5k because I never play Theotar tbh
oak sky
Give up on logwatching me im retired from parsing (thats my excuse)
fleet anchor
267 ilevel with my cheating Sylv daggers
spice spire
Give up on logwatching me im retired from parsing (thats my excuse)
Washed
Fellas always be watching tho
oak sky
I have to be washed dude
viscid spear
<:PepeHands:471871740381888522>
You still did twice the amount of damage to Acquisitions than I did 
oak sky
Dont get to
spice spire
oak sky
Dont need loot so im subbed out
spice spire
Tell them the logs are suffering tho
oak sky
They dont care
viscid spear
Tier pieces avoid me like the plague
fleet anchor
sadge
limber lion
guess who was reapplying bleeds
and caused to retch the entire team
and be the only one to die to it
instant karma
lmao
spice spire
Tier pieces avoid me like the plague <:starege:923197272064426075>
I’ll gladly funnel you this weekend homie.
fleet anchor
Greed
limber lion
ye
fleet anchor
tsk tsk
spice spire
They dont care
Some wr guild is gonna buy agreonr stocks low and get the return of a lifetime
limber lion
can't run if my bleeds drop during it
spice spire
I’m talking oxii-illidan levels last tier
viscid spear
I’ll gladly funnel you this weekend homie.
welp the legs would be a downgrade unless I have a 4th piece so hopefully I can get shoulders too
spice spire
viscid spear
There's always me changing my chest next week
fleet anchor
I accidentally fucked the raid once trying to get out and the boss's big fat head caught my mouseover and I shadowstepped BACK to the boss instead of the ranged group
rip
spice spire
Goal is for Monday tho
limber lion
okay nevermind I killed 3 people, 2 got ressed though
limber lion
I accidentally fucked the raid once trying to get out and the boss's big fat hea...
hey Push did that as well
oak sky
guess who was reapplying bleeds
Lol i did that then we wiped and the next pull i died to the tank mech 
oak sky
Some wr guild is gonna buy agreonr stocks low and get the return of a lifetime
Its not happening man
spice spire
Lol i did that then we wiped and the next pull i died to the tank mech <:OMEGAKE...
Burrow > step > evasion every time
I don’t trust them
fleet anchor
Yeah
fleet anchor
I usually just run now
oak sky
Like in the middle of the boss
fleet anchor
Which is honestly what I did on Sylv P2 as well
spice spire
Oh no
fleet anchor
Sometimes running is just simpler lol
spice spire
bleak sky
I’ll gladly funnel you this weekend homie.
. /w me to funnel tier as well
oak sky
The tank randomly died then when they taunt swapped back i took it in the ass
viscid spear
Goal is for Monday tho <a:NODDERS:754328819459948605>
Isn't it Sunday? 
bleak sky
as long as it isn't head
spice spire
Isn't it Sunday? <:PU_PepeGuns:531792518262816788>
Monday is prog
oak sky
Head
oak sky
Oh yeah im down to funnel anything
viscid spear
Monday is prog
Oh, you mean we don't save Anduin and then down Lords?
bleak sky
only 4p gamer but hmu if you need more zenith tokens
oak sky
Since apparently my mage isnt allowed in heroic alt raid
viscid spear
spice spire
Oh, you mean we don't save Anduin and then down Lords?
We kill anduin
oak sky
So i guess im free this weekend to funnel normal on my rogur
viscid spear
Define low
kindred rapids
wow they ressed two other ppl instead of you? They need to get their priorities straight
spice spire
DK time tho? Ag
viscid spear
Mine's 258 and was terrible until Dub Leggo Necro
limber lion
wow they ressed two other ppl instead of you? They need to get their priorities ...
nah it was justified because I was the cause for it
oak sky
DK time tho? Ag
Not until 925 its alliance
spice spire
Ooooof
spice spire
Imagine not being a vulpera (don’t do it, pls)
oak sky
My dk a void elf
spice spire
Kinda based tho void elves are good
viscid spear
Imagine not being a vulpera (don’t do it, pls)
My warrior is
spice spire
Mine is too
oak sky
Yeah the port + cooler than goblin
limber lion
blood elf bis
viscid spear
blood elf bis
kindred rapids
A couple weeks ago I died twice on Skollex and still got an 87% parse 😂 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rKNjkqcntXbmALx6#fight=3&type=summary
I was getting lag spikes causing me to eat all the swirlies
limber lion
they must really like you if they keep ressing you
viscid spear
Devouring blood deaths
I got hit twice 
oak sky
Devouring blood deaths
Gotta have a WA
strange silo
on mythic Dausegne do you guys dot the add? or just full focus on dausegne?
spice spire
Gotta have a WA
I don’t
viscid spear
I cloaked the first time and got dispelled the second 
viscid spear
I also got clipped by a Retch
Minor mistakes all night, never really noticeable I suppose
Hey, I'ma go Sub and level Renowna bit
limber lion
on mythic Dausegne do you guys dot the add? or just full focus on dausegne?
Dot the add
viscid spear
I also don't think I have a leggo
limber lion
I don’t <:Sinscheme:540181921913896971>
not on heroic/normal
but you bout to get hit on mythic
strange silo
with rupture/garrote and ct? it feels weird to rupture/garrote the add because it dies fast
viscid spear
but you bout to get hit on mythic
grave trail
Thanks for clarification master Cev
viscid spear
Ready to get hit, yes
limber lion
the projectile is much faster
viscid spear
Not sure which is better between Akkaris or Finality
gusty mirage
Shed your poison daggers and venture off into ninja land
viscid spear
Shed your poison daggers and venture off into ninja land
Technically...
gusty mirage
Instant poison doesn’t count
viscid spear
Instant poison doesn’t count
hollow river
I need to be hit tbh
Bro...?
viscid spear
Tomato tomato
gusty mirage
I need to be hit tbh
spice spire
gusty mirage
bleak sky
Not sure which is better between Akkaris or Finality
i'll save you the trouble: read the pins check the faq and the guide
subtle tundra
swap spec to assa
tidal gorge
Wait, sub checks the pins too? The two specs are closer than I thought 🤔
viscid spear
royal cliff
anyone else here having issues with elegy changing to random stats when you have a clear top stat?
subtle tundra
ff
fleet anchor
RIP
wide ridge
do we cast a 5cp rupture at the end of vendetta even outside pandemic?
balmy condor
yes
fleet atlas
@wide ridge unless ur like me and are still stuck at 3pc
tribal spear
hey guys. whats better right now on ST. the "new" bleed build on SIN or ist sub (without sylv daggers) stronger?
tribal spear
even without the daggers?
balmy condor
yes
tribal spear
thanks for your help!
tribal spear
yeah thats true!
spice spire
so that's usually why I don't play it
Mad cuz bad
balmy condor
you get 2 keystones when you open your vault instead of 1
ripe gulch
spice spire
^
ripe gulch
i see
spice spire
And you can upgrade it as you do normal items in m+
balmy condor
272 cap just like regular valor
ripe gulch
so i have to stack up valor
spice spire
Up to 272
vestal wren
hey guys. whats better right now on ST. the "new" bleed build on SIN or ist sub ...
sin can outsim sub without sylvanas
ripe gulch
yeshir
spice spire
Stack valor for 272 ring
vestal wren
sylvans mythic offhand is worth around 2.3% dps or so, and sub/sin sim about equal.
versed mica
It's in preparation for the new expansion
vestal wren
but sin also wants the aa ring, that you won't get before next week
subtle tundra
crab dead
bleak sky
pogggggg
vestal wren
gz
bleak sky
show dam
subtle tundra
ripe gulch
big
bleak sky
yuge
subtle tundra
fakin enha
ripe gulch
so legion tw is next week right?
spice spire
Ye
ripe gulch
pog
vestal wren
next week will be quite nice
catalyst and timewalking
i still hope they make extedned time walking because of the low frequence
so people have more time getting their cos ring/vow trinket(s)
zinc frost
i still hope they make extedned time walking because of the low frequence
I hope so, it’s like the 1 week that work is full on for me 
normal mist
so my guild killed jailer normal
we just killed 1st hc
i had to change my DETAILS name
(thats vigi hc)
pure moth
Guess it's not a dead spec though!
thorn fjord
recount 
subtle tundra
i still hope they make extedned time walking because of the low frequence
it should always be two weeks to have both tyra and forti
normal mist
yes, sin is esp. in the raid perfectly fine
i know fuu, but i kept getting trolled! i keep to have proving them wrong!
tidal gorge
I'm still trying to decide whether to hate my life and play sub for fast target switching capability or feel like I'm a giant weight stuck to the boss during CDs
normal mist
I'm still trying to decide whether to hate my life and play sub for fast target ...
why playing something you dont enjoy?
whats the point of playing the game at that point
mossy sable
Time to get rid of Doomblade, with 2pc Tier and Unity should I plan ahead and get Duskwalker or get Dashing for now
spice spire
DB is fine
Since creation catalyst comes out next week
Getting your 4p within grasp
next dune
Dashing, but just keep in mind that you'll be able to craft a tier piece next week. And have your vault. Annnd have raid reset plus whatever you havnt killed yet this week. So honestly I'd just keep the Doomblade
mossy sable
I have very limited raid access and usually only get 1 +15 done a week
Our guild pugs normal right now to fill the roster
We only end up about 4 bosses in
Closest we got on Halondrus was 2%
cold rampart
what is the best time to cast sps? (or when do we cast it in general)
amber fossil
balmy condor
how many ruptures on how many targets
cold rampart
this is exactly why i asked
my english is not that good i didnt understand most of it
cold rampart
on 4-5 cp?
balmy condor
on 4-5 cp?
Yes
balmy condor
If you’re doing aoe you use fok on 3
sand verge
for a rog alt that wont have 4pc for awhile, whats the best cov for dbl leggo?
cold rampart
very few people are playing night fae in single target in raid
raven vapor
Noticed a lot of rogues are running the first sigil and auto attack ring, both of them sim as massive dps losses for me am I missing something?
I have simmed first sigil in a 6 min sim, still a big loss
jade abyss
Is nadja better than duke?
slow marsh
no but unc is
limber lion
Noticed a lot of rogues are running the first sigil and auto attack ring, both o...
Sigil is good with 4p, aa ring is always good.
Link your sim, I don't buy it
I'm currently using a 246 aa ring instead of a 278 ring
because the aa ring is so good
raven vapor
Link your sim, I don't buy it
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hNxzgz7LwGC8n9rDPinLNr
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gNQ3pc6iaBvQpgp8cY2W3N
limber lion
Welp, IQD is our best trinket so it makes sense why it performs so well.
Double on-use stat trinkets don't really work together, that's why shadowgrasp pulls through
I re-simmed the AA ring and it's pulling ahead by 10 dps here
I would just stick to the 265 ring instead because it's the better choice for cleave/aoe as well
hollow river
damn double 278 daggers
limber lion
However, Legion Timewalking is returning next week and the aa ring will be our best in slot ring for the rest of the expansion
hollow river
^unfortunate
raven vapor
Strange, I can't get the aa ring to come close, but yeah I'll stick with the current setup for now and farm tw next week
Is the vault trinket looking good for us again or has it been nerfed?
raven vapor
Well one less thing to farm for then
echo geyser
ebon notch
Double on-use stat trinkets don't really work together, that's why shadowgrasp p...
yeah about that
no trinkets i sim are an upgrade apparently
over mythic cache and 272 phial
hollow river
no trinkets i sim are an upgrade apparently
Even 278 trinkets?
Maybe IQD isn’t procing the correct stat in the sims?
ebon notch
Even 278 trinkets?
i simmed either mythic raid ilvl or max valor upgrade ilvl
ebon notch
Maybe IQD isn’t procing the correct stat in the sims?
the proc chance is set to 100% and the sim lusts on pull no?
so its guaranteed haste
hollow river
the proc chance is set to 100% and the sim lusts on pull no?
Why about second use?
ebon notch
Why about second use?
no clue
hollow river
it's supposed to proc your second hgihest stat isn't it?
based on actual rating not %
i'm not sure
ebon notch
i thought it was random between your 2 highest secondary stats
hollow river
oo idk
i've never used one tbh
if that's the case then i'm sure the iterations are getting 50/50 on those stats so should be fine
dawn ivy
yeah iqd is "random" outside of lust of your two secondaries
next dune
what stat does so'leah's secret technique give you in sims?
oak sky
You pick
torn atlas
You can chose at the bottom of the page.
next dune
ahhh i see it, thanks
wide ridge
venth or necro for M dausegne? starting prog today
raven vapor
venth or necro for M dausegne? starting prog today
Venth/NF
ty
raven vapor
<:peepo:585741987798581268> ty
Cev has put a list of expected necro/venth bosses in his pins, NF can be a bit easier to play with the instant blink for halo's though
But you do also have shadowstep and cloak for moving around them (just be aware cloaking them does still do the aoe splash around you)
wild beacon
yo i am enjoying this venth tech, setting up the vendetta window and snapshotting
am i degen now
slow marsh
sure
candid badger
do you hold vendetta for every flag? do you ever desync them?
oak sky
yes, no
candid badger
yes, no
yeah some times it's not far off <10 sec, but sometimes it's wayyy off like 30 seconds. so i assume hold if itt's like sub 10 or sub 8 seconds? kinda like symbols with dance for sub
oak sky
always hold
shouldnt really be further than 10 seconds
if that happens you probably fucked up a bit
balmy condor
if that happens you probably fucked up a bit
or you got the legendary 48 second vendetta cooldown that people claimed on ptr
candid badger
I think it's only not lining up when i have lust and the haste from IQD, but i'm most likely fucking something
oak sky
but i dont play perfect yet
wide ridge
do we vend on pull on lords with 4p and dusk?
does it come back for swarm?
just tried it, it kinda does
like 10ish seconds into the swarm more or less
oak sky
yeah necro dusk it should be up for everything
glass tulip
!cache
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fallow otter
@slow marsh played around with CT and set lastnight, failing to see what's making it difficult. When to try squeeze an envenom in? What am I missing ST
wide ridge
envenom when you all your bleeds are up and not in pandemic
mortal pike
cant decide if I like vigor or deeper strat more on panth
mortal pike
the lack of energy is sadge
strange python
i tried deeper for a pull and was traumatized
mortal pike
they feel about the same output wise
I dunno why I just can not do very good damage on pantheon
I feel like p3 is so short now lol
wide ridge
i tried dusk on panth and didnt like it very much
upbeat needle
parsed a six
died also at the end
but man
I do not fuck w the snapshotting shit
wide ridge
zoldyck 
upbeat needle
what else would you use
Maw Rattler
balmy condor
zoldyck <:peepohappy:585740413223043075>
bro no shot lmao
alpine latch
Buddy just swapped to Sin and is asking me questions - do you always hold Shiv for Vendetta if it won't be up before Vendetta is?
oak sky
how can anyone hate deeper on pantheon you have giga regen with double dotting
then it wastes less cp from sbs
void carbon
What are the best trinkets for raid for assassination rogue
balmy condor
do you pick axe every time as assa?
always
oak sky
sigil phial cache iqd
balmy condor
Buddy just swapped to Sin and is asking me questions - do you always hold Shiv f...
ye
it's basically shiv every 30 sec
mortal pike
on mythic lihivum are our cds up for add if we use on open?
queen nimbus
Ok so don't hold shiv for Vendetta, just blow it every 30 on CD
mortal pike
if you're running venth every other you hold for your vendetta window
you'll desync entirely if you dont
queen nimbus
ok gotcha, thanks
balmy condor
Ok so don't hold shiv for Vendetta, just blow it every 30 on CD
it's a 25 second cd, you blow it every 30 because vendetta is every minute
so you're holding for it
autumn frost
!spec
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strange python
300 pulls halondrus fucking kill me
fallow otter
300 pulls halondrus fucking kill me
Are you taking turns or have you got some serial offenders?
fallow otter
We just finishing lithium, so I'll be joining your hell soon
pure tide
Anyone know how to make the poisons/bleeds larger? Im usin plater
fallow otter
Have you played around with leeching or elusive? Or just stuck with cheat @strange python
strange python
It's mind blowing how they continually fail to pick the bombs up before shatter. It's just like, greeding as much as they can to minimize the debuff and it's infuriating
Cheat. It's too good for when other people fuck me.
Esp on halondrus when someone can just last second strafe a missile. Or if I have to juggle like 5 motes
marble hemlock
Leeching 
atomic rune
So reading in the Sin facts it talks about Sub/Strat Night Fae being BiS with tier but all the logs and sims seem to be going Flag Master/MfD is there a reason for this I am not aware of other than it "Just being better"?
I just got 4-piece and am looking to practice the BiS rotation in pugs this weekend for next weeks prog so I just want to make sure Im practicing the right one.
balmy condor
So reading in the Sin facts it talks about Sub/Strat Night Fae being BiS with ti...
the pins explain the new build
atomic rune
the pins explain the new build
Thank you dad
balmy condor
np
I hate venthyr
but I need to put it in the FAQ
since it's proven better now
and it makes me want to throw up
atomic rune
The opener was fun at first but I want to see Sepsis tick fast now ...
candid badger
@balmy condor cache (sword haste) or iqd for single target? Not sure since iqd can be a sim trap. Just got the cache tonight so haven't tested it
balmy condor
cache sword
I enter a room with an ominous aura
iqd is fine
but you should always take axe on cache
candid badger
that's what I assumed looking at logs, but thought there might some unfortunate souls like myself that didn't get cache yet
axe for sin on single target?
balmy condor
correct
it's not a baseline rogue ability
so it does not interact with the rogue tier set
the general rule is if rogue thing then buffed
if other people use thing, then rogue thing no buff
you press vendetta, it buff rogue things
you use cache during vendetta? cache not rogue thing
so not buffed
candid badger
ty I figured, but ya know... blizzard
novel arrow
@balmy condor My lord Whispyr. Quick Maffs. Theoretically. Assa NF pvp. Full kidney, Master assassin lego. Vendetta Sepsis Shiv Rupture Garrote Vanish. What stats would you go for to max those 6 seconds?
wide ridge
<@167090536602140682> My lord Whispyr. Quick Maffs. Theoretically. Assa NF pvp. ...
throw an exsanguinate there for the lulz
wide ridge
deft vault
where is the new venth build sim ? like is there anyway i can find it
zinc frost
!fuu
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balmy condor
where is the new venth build sim ? like is there anyway i can find it
you can sim yourself on raidbots.com
deft vault
i know but i wanna see what the profile use for trinkets
if i remember right it was iqd but im not 100% sure
balmy condor
ah
onyx raptor
Good morning everyone! Can anyone take a quick look and help figure out why i got turbo ass blasted to 2nd place? Was it just luck or am i doing something wrong? Thanks a lot :)))
Also i noticed that my sin sims higher than my sub, with decent gear for both specs is that normal? Or is the sim extremely stingy with 2set&4set procs?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8WQkn6wRxhrL9cjm#fight=1&type=damage-done
simple python
Just checking, I know after 4pc Venth is slightly higher than NF with snapshotting, but NF is still viable isn’t it?, just following my raid I’ve been its no longer a thing and I can’t recall seeing anything about, happy to be wrong
gusty mirage
NF is definitely still viable
zinc frost
Good morning everyone! Can anyone take a quick look and help figure out why i go...
I mean, you both got a 97 parse, sub is better on Halondrus than sin, so it kinda checks out
vestal wren
diffrence between nf and venthyr is around 2%, so nothing to rly worry about
and NF is more relaxed gameplay wise
onyx raptor
I mean, you both got a 97 parse, sub is better on Halondrus than sin, so it kind...
Dumbass question but why is sub better? Since i sim the same numbers as sin or sub. Any particular reason i'm missing?
gusty mirage
Dumbass question but why is sub better? Since i sim the same numbers as sin or s...
can't miss on halondrus
more sht procs
gusty mirage
that's him saving you from someone fucking up the bomb mechanic and losing your mental health
our lord and savior halondrus
onyx raptor
I miss when the boss knocks me away
You mean first week when shadowstep was bugged?
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
he's the ultimate evolution of crab
novel arrow
Evolution made them have less limbs? Thats giga troll
novel arrow
I agree.
onyx raptor
Also anyone know why does poison bomb sim only 100 dps lower than CT ; is that turbo trolling? Or is it normal?
novel arrow
As asians, we traded height and muscles for brain power .
gusty mirage
because poison bomb sucks
vestal wren
i love how halondrus has become the true endboss of the raid
gusty mirage
prior to the tier sets cranking bleeds and poisons
the dif was small
to begin with
so a consistent source of bleed > random poison proc now
vestal wren
i think necro did still sim higher with pb
but you wouldn't use necro on single target
gusty mirage
it's probably really close tbh
onyx raptor
so a consistent source of bleed > random poison proc now
Yeah i get that, but 100 dps is not that big if you ask me so that's why is weird
novel arrow
Dude if I"m forced to crimson tempest single target. I'm going outlaw.
gusty mirage
well the 2pc buffs PB so if it procs during shiv it'll be a dec amount of damage still
but the problem is PB has never been particularly great
vestal wren
it was quite good in legion
onyx raptor
it was quite good in legion
It was turbo broken in legion lmao
vestal wren
but people did hate it back then because your log relied on good procs
novel arrow
You guys dont remember Legion. If you didn't proc PB during ur master assassin opener. You instantly parsed blue because PB was so op.
vestal wren
i remember our random guild getting rank 1 world parse in mythic tos on one fight on the rogue
gusty mirage
I played sub in the last like 3 months of legion that I came back for
onyx raptor
5th in dps, pb proc 1st in dps
gusty mirage
had a blast
vestal wren
just because our rogue got lucky pb procs during execute
oak sky
rn pb is only decent because its free damage
vestal wren
zoldy did just emphasize soo much on the proc
vestal wren
I played sub in the last like 3 months of legion that I came back for
nice
You are technically correct, in the best way i guess
@gusty mirage https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5zDt9y7hKsDDYa6mChJrY
(necro single target)
gusty mirage
it's unfortunate PB sucks
but it's better than relying on god like rng to parse well ig
(which is ironic cuz I actually don't mind the sub tier set)
vestal wren
i got my 4p yesterday in the normal run and just the fight after had quite good procs
gusty mirage
ye if you just play like you normally would
the procs become pleasant surprises
and you're like neat
vestal wren
novel arrow
the issue with assa atm is . u suck ass in m+
vestal wren
I mean, i agree it is annoying
novel arrow
Or you respec sub. and you roll int there with full haste assa gear.
Doing negative dps
vestal wren
but mythic plus was always dominated by one spec
e.g. outlaw was the go-to spec for nearly entirety of bfa
gusty mirage
yea but sin did good damage still in bfa
balmy condor
<:coolpanda:567365506177171468>
not high enough, go higher
balmy condor
vestal wren
i got rng revenge on jailer
balmy condor
I was hovering around 11th for panth prog today and then we randomly had a pull where I was 5th
vestal wren
average is around 55%
balmy condor
what a fucking tier
gusty mirage
I was hovering around 11th for panth prog today and then we randomly had a pull ...
that happened to me and my RL asked "what did you do different?"
like bro
nothing
I did nothing different
balmy condor
<:KEKL:850939782913851463> that happened to me and my RL asked "what did you do...
just say "rolled the bones"
novel arrow
I ruptured some stuff.... I garroted some other stuff
vestal wren
i should create a wa that plays the roll the bones sound when you get a proc
balmy condor
or the other banger response
gusty mirage
i should create a wa that plays the roll the bones sound when you get a proc
until you get that godlike sequence where you chain like 8 in a row
balmy condor
is you litmus test your raid
gusty mirage
and get sick of it
balmy condor
and when someone asks why you popped off
just be like "I swapped rings"
and see how they react
gusty mirage
vestal wren
hmm, what about a combo weakaura