assassination

[vestal wren]

that it would be the default choice

sub was ahead by quite a bit

[gusty mirage]

You literally said word for word “sin gets higher % from tier so we’ll see if it ends up being a sub tier”

[vestal wren]

and sin only catches up long term

thats quite a big diffrence

[limber lion]

Yes

scaling

[vestal wren]

don't use the word

or people will witch hunt you

[timid cloud]

||Stats||

[limber lion]

bring them to me

[timid cloud]

I said the forbidden word.

Besides the other one.

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-nelson-simpsons-gif-6238201

[timid cloud]

||Scaling||

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

btw. oxi sin isn't even simming higher than sub now

[spice spire]

Cev is on an absolute mission

[vestal wren]

(at least not with the default apl)

[spice spire]

To find the darkest and dankest tech imaginable to be top simming dps

[vestal wren]

i have some experimental apl changes too for sub

i need to find a fix for some edge cases

[spice spire]

It’s an arms race for dark techs

[vestal wren]

but its not like rly big gains

more like 0.2%

[spice spire]

It’s still something

[timid cloud]

Yeah, something something we're gonna use a campfire to make us take X amount of damage with THIS wicked ability on us to do 1,000,000 damage!

I can see the clickbait YouTubers already.

[gray fjord]

[fallow canopy]

Ayo I dropped a casual 9.8k dps on halondrus yesterday as a filthy casual, feeling proud today

[limber lion]

Good job!

[vestal wren]

gloomblade rotten

[fallow canopy]

[spice spire]

Nice job boli! Good deeps my dude

[timid cloud]

NO PLEASE

||Hidden Blade FOK Single Target spam||

[spice spire]

Delete this

[timid cloud]

Now THAT is a dark timeline we do not want to revisit.

[gray fjord]

Nah the new build uses the upcoming Prime-exclusive dagger set

[vestal wren]

i mean its supported by the apl

at least gloomblade

[timid cloud]

I was gonna say...

[vestal wren]

so i did spend time on optimizing a legendary nobody will play

[timid cloud]

LOL

[limber lion]

double legendary literally useless

[gusty mirage]

I’m going to need proof that you’re human

[timid cloud]

Captcha his ass.

[limber lion]

I only have pictures of my goldmember, will that suffice?

[gusty mirage]

You’re lucky you’re not muted after the haste tea joke

[timid cloud]

YET

Dark Techs incoming, worst timeline confirmed.

[granite widget]

with 4p in vendetta, pandemic is half right?

[gusty mirage]

Lemme check my notes, absolutely

[granite widget]

like 3.6s for 5cp rupture

[grim tangle]

probably just spent way more time in execute phase since it was a pug

[limber lion]

Correct.

[limber lion]

That is correct.

[granite widget]

what is the priority for bleeds in vendetta? like obviously you dont want any to drop, but sometimes its hard to maintain CT

is it rup>gar>ct?

still

[timid cloud]

Oh shit, I didn't notice the 6:43, that's the dream, executed pot maybe lust with the vendetta since it was a long fight. I'm gonna cooooom

[kind talon]

what fight is that

[ebon notch]

lihuvim

i bet

[carmine dawn]

Pantheon?

[spice spire]

My guess would be pantheon or lords

[oak sky]

It cant be lords

You do way more damage on it dont you

Vg?

[hollow river]

It could be lords I have no idea what the top looks like tho

[ebon notch]

welp nnoggie is joining my guild

im scared

[oak sky]

Wtf

[ebon notch]

he put out a tweet saying he wanted to join a guild that is currently progging halondrus

[oak sky]

For what

[ebon notch]

for progging?

he wants to clear the raid with us

from halondrus onwards

[oak sky]

Interesting

Whos getting subbed out for nnoggie then

Just some other dk

?

[ebon notch]

we dont have a dk

one of our sussy warlocks ig

[spice spire]

Melee on the chopping block

[oak sky]

Maybe a rogur

[ebon notch]

im only benched on first boss but i was before nnoggie was in the roster soo

[oak sky]

Rpgue

[ebon notch]

they dont dare bench me on any boss bro

[spice spire]

“Benched on first boss”

That’s a blessing

[ebon notch]

first boss no loot

yeah exactly

dont have to go necro

i just save my haste tea

[spice spire]

I wouldn’t even call that a bench.
That’s just blessed by the rl

[oak sky]

I hate first boss intensely

[ebon notch]

hes looking down on me on god

but my first boss parse is cringe

[oak sky]

Oh yeah i still have to do my anduin pug

[ebon notch]

i kinda wanted to improve it

[oak sky]

My last chance

[timid cloud]

I got to sit yesterday because I was lagging hard.

Fuck VG

[spice spire]

Haven’t done mythic VG so I can’t comment on it.
All other iterations are awful

[timid cloud]

It's the longest trash in the first 30m of the raid.

Kappa

[oak sky]

Slightly better because the boss is there the whole time

But

Your damage on it doesnt matter until burn anyway

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s more interesting but Idk how it plays

If it ends up just being just as boring

Bad boss

[oak sky]

Plays pretty bad

[limber lion]

Pantheon

[oak sky]

I hate being last in my guild to get tier man

I actually do no damage

[timid cloud]

It's even worse when there's like not a whole lot of people on your token either.

[balmy condor]

I enjoyed mythic vg much more than heroic

[timid cloud]

Only need 1 monk, basically, & 1-2 warriors.

[oak sky]

We have 6 on my token

[timid cloud]

Yeah, M VG was fine, the others were dogshit.

[oak sky]

Like 3 of them got their 4p yesterday

[spice spire]

I got my 4p yesterday

LFR halondrus

[oak sky]

Mine cant come from lfr yet

[spice spire]

I can funnel normal chest on two toons

[vestal wren]

gz

[kind talon]

you enjoyed vg?

[vestal wren]

i tried to get 4p from lfr too, but only got a lfr treasure cache trinket

[balmy condor]

It was okay for a mythic first boss

I don’t hate it nearly as much as some other people

[timid cloud]

At least it's not Champions of Light.

[gusty mirage]

Heroic is a fucking meme

Mythic is MUCH better

[balmy condor]

I think wrathion was better, shrieking was better, but im torn on whether it’s better than tarragrue

Tarragrue is a very boring fight carried by torg powers

[oak sky]

I think its fine to be carried by a gimmick since its a first boss

[gusty mirage]

Tarragrue just wasn’t very fun

Gimmicks are fine if they’re interesting, rng based anima powers is kinda stinky

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Rng gimmick that accounts for half your dps or none of your dps

Kinda whack

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

I liked the first boss of EP too.

Wrathion was cool, if it wasn't a struggle bus, because that fight felt like cheeks if it was just a long, long fight.

Shriek was so-so, just because of downtime.

[limber lion]

I do think Wrathion has been the best first boss we've had in a long time

I enjoyed the fact that it was timer-based so you could just omega burst it down instead of being forced to do the spikes on farm

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it definitely felt epic, but holy moly, just getting slowed down & running was so miserable, but Cloak really saved the day on that one.

[limber lion]

The mythic mechanic made it interesting for sure

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it was the spikes that really killed me.

But Heroic. Chefs kiss.

[misty holly]

It's like you all don't take the super jump power on Tarragrue or something. That fight is a blast.

[timid cloud]

HUH

Gotta save Buttons though, lowkey.

[spice spire]

HUH

[timid cloud]

I’m struggling on this dummy to do this new rotation boys.

M’uh muscle memory….

[sonic schooner]

[heavy forge]

Heya ! with Xymox cache, what do I want as Sin plz ? Sub wants the wand but idk about Sin

[spice spire]

Axe

[heavy forge]

even in ST ? noted thanks

[timid cloud]

What do I do about my second flag in the rotation? Do I just send that too?

It’s like…20s off, unless I griefed myself.

[spice spire]

20

[hollow river]

You should be able to sync every flag to vendetta

[timid cloud]

I’m actually still messing up, I keep forgetting to use MFD CT.

[spice spire]

They shouldn’t be that far apart

[timid cloud]

Yeah maybe I’m just tired.

[hollow river]

Within ~15 max I think

[celest marlin]

So inside shiv, do i refresh bleeds or do i envenom ? (Flag+Vend+Shiv situation)

[muted ivy]

refresh bleeds 10000000000000%

as long as it's not before the pandemic timing

[sonic schooner]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[normal mist]

Just killed lords on normal after the swarm buff

yeah i can see the diff

[peak bobcat]

what is the best weapon to use for arti trinket?

[normal mist]

Wasnt it always axe?

[bleak sun]

Ye axe

[sonic schooner]

ST axe, Cleave axe, aoe axe, bathroom axe, bed axe, always axe

[cerulean junco]

@limber lion what’s the margin of error for playing venth snap shot. Is playing it decent but not perfect equal to or close to playing NF exceptionally

[limber lion]

If you can't properly abuse the snapshot windows, then you're better off playing Night Fae.

[cerulean junco]

Ty

[slow marsh]

remember nf has field of blossoms tho

[strange python]

What's there to abuse? Syncing flag with vend and redotting at the end of vend is all there is, no?

I wanted the 4 piece so bad and now I hate using it

Lmao

Damn

Way better than sub 4set. Subs just so strong in early gear and a lot of fights

[wide bolt]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[strange python]

I think I rather play sub tbh

4 piece is actually making me play worse

[subtle tundra]

ye, m+ with 4pc is pain

complete clusterfuck

[limber lion]

lul

you'll never learn to use it

when you never play sin

[subtle tundra]

ok

and if i play it perfectly

i still do a couple thousand dps less than on sub

[limber lion]

Yes

but that's not the 4p's fault

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

lol

[subtle tundra]

yea but why learn something

to perform way worse

[slow marsh]

tru

[limber lion]

why complain about a tier set in m+ when you never even use it there

[oak sky]

Varas on his guy arx

Arc

[subtle tundra]

i did a 15 boost earlier and i played NF SIN vendetta mob died in 5 seconds

[tight ginkgo]

Sometimes it can be fun to learn something.

[slow marsh]

tier just took the whole sin has to play 2x better for the same or less output to another level for m+

[cerulean junco]

As Ian would say: get gud

[subtle tundra]

because i want to use it there

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[limber lion]

fair enough

[subtle tundra]

i try to make it work

[limber lion]

bad spec

[subtle tundra]

but when its so undertuned dmg wise

gameplay means nothing

sub can play 95% perfectly in aoe situation with 1 hand

i was doing 90k dps first pull hoa while eating

(granted, trinket helped)

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[slow marsh]

but hey at least we figured a way to break even for the 3 ST fights in riad right

[fading mason]

just got my first rank one log

only hc but still

[subtle tundra]

not like getting rank one on mythic is harder

i got rank 1 on lihuvim out of 5 logs

[limber lion]

same :3

so many rank 1's

[subtle tundra]

oh yea i gotta change my WA for CT in vendetta aswell, last one remaining

[limber lion]

how can we all be r1 if r1 means that only one person is r1

[subtle tundra]

all assa players are r1 in my heart

[strange python]

crit tea good for raid, no ?

[slow marsh]

anything other than agi is fine

[strange python]

How many stacks y'all hitting for flag

I seem to be regularly hitting 27/28

[oak sky]

Yeah thats good

Should be 25-30 pretty much every time depending on crits and stuff

[jade minnow]

11 if u have to play some mechanic

[subtle tundra]

at that point, just int the mechanic

[oak sky]

Me knocking everyone off the edge on rygelon

😈

[jade minnow]

Cant you set percents in WA? Or is it just plater

For pandemic

[oak sky]

Yeah you should be able to

[spice spire]

Afenar’s auto adapts based on vendetta too

[ebon notch]

missed out on rank 1 xymox cause raiders cant stay alive

less than 100 dps

and its not even an orange parse so it looks ugly

[oak sky]

Not enough kills bozo

[dim tide]

what buff from Cache we use on ST? bleed or haste?

[spice spire]

Axe

[ebon notch]

actually true

im getting flamed by my raid

[solid venture]

finally 4p gamer

[odd heath]

Does it? :O

[spice spire]

Yes

It will show you you’re in pandemic at lower intervals

[odd heath]

I adapted mine to show 2 tints of glow, for normal and vendetta pandemics

But it shows even without vendetta lol

Works, but not the best way to do it

[ebon notch]

mine isnt adjusting

weird

[spice spire]

Mine did

[limber lion]

It definitely does not by default

Afenar's hasn't been updated since 9.0.1

[spice spire]

Now I’m

[ebon notch]

maybe you forgot the pandemic timers??

[limber lion]

I use Afenar and had to manually do it

[spice spire]

Do I have afenar’s

Definitely did not forget pandemic timers

[ebon notch]

can you share? :3

[spice spire]

I’m a one trick it’s my one super power

[obtuse robin]

i use afe and mine had pan timers

[limber lion]

#assassination message

@ebon notch

[limber lion]

yes

it has pandemic timers

just like every other pack

but it does not automatically change with 4p

[obtuse robin]

i c

[ebon notch]

ty

[gusty adder]

Did anyone do lords heroic with new swarm yet?

and how did it feel, and what leggo did you run

[limber lion]

Yes

Feels good

Necro, Dusk/Unity

[ebon notch]

i went venth and i only got flag up at the end of hte phase

didnt feel great

[uneven hamlet]

every flag vend comes up right after swarm, it was the same with me

[ebon notch]

vend came up earlier so i sent it

[uneven hamlet]

I did hold my last burst to align with swarm, it was the last swarm+last burst anyway

[solid venture]

whats the pandemic timers for rupture and CT while vendetta is up with 4p?

[limber lion]

50% of the normal

[strange python]

cache from xymox good right ?

[kind talon]

hold first flag

on pull

its like the only way man

[upbeat needle]

Still Necro Dusk/Unity if only 2 set?

[limber lion]

No, Zoldyck/Unity

[solid venture]

mmm i must've fucked up the WA somehow, garrote still glows up at 6sec with vendetta up

[limber lion]

it's aight

[strange python]

do we have a weakaura showing what weapon it is

im too lazy to google

[limber lion]

Yes

By googling it

You literally typed that here

when you could have typed that in google

[bleak sky]

could also maybe check the FAQ

oh it's sub only that has the wa

[gusty mirage]

Suck it

[bleak sky]

yet another 10/10 pfp

[gray fjord]

So not gonna lie, bursting 35k single target is pretty satisfying

[ripe gulch]

FUCKING FINALLY GOT 4 SET

we play venth on lords?

[gusty mirage]

I’m on strike until they buff sin and outlaw

[limber lion]

Necro

[bleak sky]

damn I guess oxi quit wow

[gray fjord]

[real solar]

@gusty mirage noob

[ripe gulch]

but with 4p i always play dusk

[limber lion]

Yes

[ripe gulch]

not zolcock

POG

fuck zolcock

[limber lion]

But yeh, sin is bis in the raid

sucks a bit in m+ but it is what it is

[brazen zodiac]

not runnin zold in keys feels kinda funny haha

but dusk in m+ feels pog

[ripe gulch]

also idk how axe works

xymox trink*

do we go axe or haste

[solid venture]

am i being a full pepega or what, this should be correct for the 4p pandemic stuff right?

[patent granite]

a question to the fellow assassin enjoyers, in my 4p vendetta window, do i keep all bleeds up all the time? my problem is with CT that i feel like i miss out on envenoms

[zinc frost]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[limber lion]

You also need to specify that the normal pandemic only works without Vendetta

It currently glows at 5.4 because it doesn't have a Vendetta condition

[ebon notch]

@limber lion https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/27EHiwSsmpCrgHNeMp5H2F

catching up 👀

[limber lion]

gg

[gusty adder]

ngl, dusk felt weird on lords

only got vendt up like last 4-5 sec every time

[brazen zodiac]

wait, the 2.4 second timer is when you want to reapply rupture and gar at the end of vendetta yeah?

[ripe gulch]

im boutta try it

just got 4 set and going into lords rn

no idea how to play 4set

[limber lion]

Dusk is great on Lords

You get Vend back for the first damage amp if you send it on the opener

and then you just play accordingly

very poggers.

[ripe gulch]

will try 👍

[obtuse robin]

its the new pan within ven 4pc

[brazen zodiac]

yeah figured just wanted to be sure

[ripe gulch]

yeah im trash

[gusty mirage]

hi ily

[obtuse robin]

question is there a way to sim with fae guardian buff

[solid venture]

do we let the snapshotted gar / rup run out after vendetta ends or refresh as late as possible?

[loud light]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/BuffsAndDebuffs

Fae Guardians will be cast on the player at 0 seconds, 90 seconds, 180 seconds, and 270 seconds.

external_buffs.benevolent_faerie=0/90/180/270

figure out what timings you'd expect, don't know if those are right

also not sure how they deal with the fae lego

[obtuse robin]

nice ty

[loud light]

oh, .bwonsamdis_pact_benevolent

[slow marsh]

refresh as late as possible, overwrite is still better than letting them fall completely

[solid venture]

Aight cheers

[ripe gulch]

eh logged 94

not good not bad

accidentally threw a vendetta out the window cuz it came up too quick and i used it right before amongus

but 4set is fun af

[limber lion]

Yupyup

[balmy condor]

little late but will say that it'll never be accurate for sin since the APL holds cooldowns to sync

[raven vapor]

Is fae competitive at all? I'm finding it difficult to play the haste snapshotting build and finding myself losing entire flag windows due to mechanics (rygelon bomb etc)

[balmy condor]

it is

[onyx raptor]

anyone know at how many seconds can you extend rupture/garrote in exang vendetta window? still 1/3rd of the max duraton?

[balmy condor]

half of the normal duration

[onyx raptor]

just got 4 set excited af

[balmy condor]

dots are halved, pandemic is halved as well

[raven vapor]

I'm assuming it's easier to play not having to worry about flag?

[balmy condor]

yep

that's why I play it

[raven vapor]

Great I'm going to switch to that, this venth build is making me miserable

Cheers

[sonic schooner]

yea just got my 4 set tonight, tried this venthyr thing even having an IQD, heck naaaaaw that s not for me

[onyx raptor]

so like under 1 second for garrote and under 3 sec for max rupture?

[balmy condor]

well it would be 2.7 for garrote, and rupture depends on cp, 5cp would 3.6

[onyx raptor]

that high for garrote? ok imma do that

oh nvm i'm dumb af

can't do math

[winter vapor]

i got a 99/100 on lords 😮 wth

[hollow river]

For a small one time fee of $35, you could have access to my secret custom APL today

[timber gale]

I did lords and felt okay but it’s a little brain busting to have your shiv/vendetta on one target but needing to constantly re-DoT a second

[limber lion]

Yeah, it all comes down to practice

Feels super natural to me, but then again I've played the spec for 5 years or whatever

been the same for forever, the tierset just enforces the concept a slightly bit more

[slow marsh]

i've been playing it for 3 patches now and i'm already over it a bit lol

i love it but man

[limber lion]

I love the spec, but what gets me excited is the new stuff

that's why I'm always excited for new tech, new builds, new rotations and whatnot

I understand people wanting to play a familiar build and stick to one build, but I like to have change everytime possible because in essence the spec still plays the same

[zinc frost]

That’s what hyped me up about the tier set, different talents, playing NF etc keeps things fresh

[thin imp]

first sigil or cache? firs sigil is simming 50 dps less but it supposed to be bis (HC)

[ripe gulch]

theres no way you can full dot both of them for the full vendetta duration right?

[limber lion]

just follow the sims

the sigil becomes really good with 4p and I assume you don't have that yet

[limber lion]

You cannot, no

[thin imp]

yea 3

[limber lion]

You can maintain Rupture/CT on both, but not garrote

[ripe gulch]

i just spam dots on the vendetta guy

usually mal'ganis

do we hold vendetta for flag in st?

[slow marsh]

yes

[kindred rapids]

Yeah man, the 4pc actually feels really fun to play with

[timber gale]

yeah it’s like… one plate is ‘keeping vendetta and shiv on CD’ and one plate is ‘keeping DoTs up’ and the secret plate is ‘doing the second when it doesn’t interrupt with the first’ and that’s the hard one

[ripe gulch]

damn this feels cool to play

they line up p nicely

im still confused about shiv use tho

[kindred rapids]

Actually it's just as much the dusk plus obedience combo. Syncing flag and vendetta on a 1 min cd just feels so good.

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's really fun. It's also pretty challenging to pull off well when you introduce mechanics and multiple targets, and I love it.

[neon cloak]

whats the current ST % between sub and sin ?

[slow marsh]

69%

[neon cloak]

T_T

[limber lion]

0%

[kindred rapids]

I don't like either, that's why my favorite fight is skollex 😂

Finally got 4pc and immediately was able to pull 14.2k on hc skollex.

[zealous marsh]

it's really nothing?

[kindred rapids]

Sitting with a 500 DPS weapon upgrade in the vault too

[limber lion]

Less than 1% at bis profiles.

[zealous marsh]

coz i'm getting tired of not getting procs

[kindred rapids]

Still hoping to get a weapon drop from M skollex

[limber lion]

My sin profile currently sims 400 dps more than my Sub profile.

[ripe gulch]

my sin prolly overtook sub too

[zealous marsh]

hmm

[ripe gulch]

no sylv dagger

[zealous marsh]

i should look at the fights then

mby i will switch

[kindred rapids]

My sim went from 11.5k to 14k just from 4pc

[zealous marsh]

i thought i will cry when other rogue had 20% more procs on shb then me

[kindred rapids]

Most of the fights are good for sin

[limber lion]

All fights are good for sin

Every encounter is great

[kindred rapids]

Yeah agreed, anduin favors sub a bit though

Sin still does huge funnel dmg though so I'm feeling no pressure to switch for him atm

[slow marsh]

sub favors padding on anduin **

[ripe gulch]

i dont rly like playing rogue on dreads tho

it feels nice ye

but no abilities that benefit from swarm

feels kinda shit

[slow marsh]

someone doesn't read patch notes

[ebon notch]

this doesnt seem to be working for me, i only have 4 conditions after adding yours though, am i missing one?

[ripe gulch]

what happen

[slow marsh]

you dont read patch notes that's what happen

[limber lion]

It's a 100% damage amp now

for all damage

[ripe gulch]

😮

[kindred rapids]

Sin was decent on lod even before

[ripe gulch]

you got your vendetta halfway through first swarm right cev?

thats what happened to me

[limber lion]

Nah pretty much 1-2s in

[ripe gulch]

i got it slower

dk why tho

[kindred rapids]

But now just everyone blasts on lod

[ripe gulch]

i was perma casting

[kindred rapids]

Problem with lod is getting flag back though

[limber lion]

That's why you don't play Venth

[zealous marsh]

i've just read the pin seems bit complicated at start

[ripe gulch]

i went necro

[kindred rapids]

I mean yeah

[zealous marsh]

or is it because of a wall of text

[kindred rapids]

I'm not switching covenants in hc though

[ripe gulch]

we go deeper on m+ necro right?

[limber lion]

Ya

[zealous marsh]

wait what master assassin meta again

[limber lion]

Yes

[zealous marsh]

so basically what am I reading is

keep biggest uptime on dots possible

[slow marsh]

seal fate + flag = MA forever

[zealous marsh]

envenom is like less important

filler spell

[slow marsh]

ye

[limber lion]

It has always been a filler spell

[zealous marsh]

i mean ye

[limber lion]

The priority has not changed in the entirety of Shadowlands

[zealous marsh]

but you wanted to have biggest uptime on buff from envenom

[limber lion]

That's not true

[slow marsh]

people just say things just to say them

envenom uptime, pooling for shiv

[limber lion]

3x envenom during shiv windows

[slow marsh]

ye

[oak sky]

But my 3 envenoms

I parse bad because my stat weights say I need more haste

[zealous marsh]

well I know the basics. About the envenom buff I thought that myself it would be "nice" to keep it if possible

Maybe I kept too much attention to it

in sod

[oak sky]

It pretty much passively hit 90% uptike last tier

Uptime yikes im tired

[main solar]

If we take the venthyr build out of the equation, is Necro still the best all around pick to play? Or does NF single target still out perform Necro too much?

[slow marsh]

venth > necro > nf

[oak sky]

Nf st is still way better than necro st

[slow marsh]

assuming you stand in flowers for 18s sure

[oak sky]

Luckily you would only get fucked by necro on 2 or 3 bosses

[slow marsh]

i mean if you're progging you should just go whatever is actually the best for that fight

but for like heroic clears yeah just stay necro is fine

[oak sky]

Realistically it doesnt matter because if we have people that arent willing to play venth because its too degen or won't play mfd because it feels bad then a lot of people are already willingly using weaker builds for prog

[kindred rapids]

I mean we played venth and mfd all last tier as well

[zealous marsh]

Well in my case I want to kill rng somehow

[oak sky]

Most people still didnt

[zealous marsh]

sometimes I have pull with highrolls

[kindred rapids]

Mfd feels great with flag

[oak sky]

Like bro idk about you guys but i dont cry myself to sleep over which build i'm playing on every boss

[zealous marsh]

and then I have 10 pulls in a row that I want to jump from a window

in game

[kindred rapids]

And you have tons of reset opportunities in this raid

[oak sky]

Yeah I agree but most people don't

Because muh vigor energy

[kindred rapids]

I don't understand what is degenerate about it now either

[zealous marsh]

well did you considered

[oak sky]

Yeah its not manwich

[zealous marsh]

it's one extra button?

[slow marsh]

it's not a degen build

[halcyon zealot]

idk why ppl are so up in arms about the venthyr tech it’s really not that crazy

[slow marsh]

it's a stupid mechanic from classic

[zealous marsh]

and they are talking about energy

[slow marsh]

it's because it's double snapshot

[oak sky]

Its not at all but people complain about anything

[zealous marsh]

coz they are thinking about energy

[slow marsh]

as if one snap isn't neough

[oak sky]

Being bored of venth is totally valid tho

I can understand that

[kindred rapids]

Just refreshing rupture at the end of vendetta? It basically lines up with when you'd normally refresh rupture anyways.

[slow marsh]

it's the way that the 4p vendetta works

not the 4p snapshot at the end

it's mfd CT vendetta shiv vanish

that's cringe

[kindred rapids]

You literally don't have to think about how flag interacts with snapshotting, just sync flag with vendetta and you will get the value from it.

[oak sky]

2 button change in my rotation is so cringe

Cant handle it

[slow marsh]

you doont but you do

[brazen zodiac]

does anyone by chance know how to move the CT icon when talented into MFD? i noticed that when i untalent from MFD, the CT icon takes the MFD icon's place.

in Afenar's weakaura

cant find the location of the icon and whenever i move it it kind of just bugs out and resets itself whenever i change mfd talent

[kindred rapids]

Mfd ct helps you get all of your bleeds up before shiv vendetta, it feels perfectly natural to do. The only weird part imo is mfd env before vendetta for extra haste.

[weary marten]

where have you seen mfd env ?

[hollow river]

is ZM helm bis?

[frosty cedar]

later on the fight when you have all bleeds up and not In pandemic but u press flag

I imagine

[hollow river]

or would it be unity helm later on

[weary marten]

shouldn't you want to refresh at maximum duration everything right before vendetta ?

[kindred rapids]

No just refresh in vendetta if needed

[weary marten]

ok that's why you meant MfD env

that's if everything is already up

right before vendetta

[kindred rapids]

Yeah if you already have rupture up you could end up doing flag ct mfd env for example

[weary marten]

true

thanks for enlighting me

[frosty cedar]

I'm surprised some ppl don't like MFD honestly

it's a chunky boi

[halcyon zealot]

the “delayed” garrote in ppls opener without vigor is all it takes to cause a hate campaign against mfd

[grim tangle]

I understand for people newer to sin rogue, adding MFD and CT in the rotation could feel overwhelming you just want it to be simple

[kindred rapids]

I wish it was more delayed tbh

So I could mfd the first dausegne add right after flag 😂

[frosty cedar]

I feel like sin rogue is probably already one of the easiest melee tho, I guess actually our 4pc adds more difficulty then some other specs ones tho

[agile geode]

not right now

i think the oposite, i fell like sub is a lot more easyer than assa rnow

[craggy oak]

This does feel somewhat aweful, but after that 1 delayed gcd, one of the nicer itterations of sin we have had.

[limber lion]

just use arcane torrent

no downtime whatsoever

ez

[grim tangle]

imagine playing blood elf

[frosty cedar]

true orc is the chad option

tho I sim highest as troll

[slow marsh]

ofc cuz it's haste and we have snapshot stupidity

[hollow river]

Blades

Would you bother with 278 Tazavesh helm

[frosty cedar]

snapshot gaming big fun

[hollow river]

Or will we put unity on helm later

Idr

[slow marsh]

what are other options

if i had 278 tier helm i'd craft unity to legs

[hollow river]

Well it’s a question of “bis”

Hmm

I have a 278 helm already to creation cata

And a 278 chest

I’ve got 278 Taz helm in vault

But 278 gloves would be another slot done for creation cata

Plus gloves sim better for sub which I’m mostly playing

Ig I go gloves

[oak sky]

Gloves we can get 285 later tho cant we

From catalyst

[cold pulsar]

How are the secondary stats transferring to the creation cata? Or is it just the item level I should concern my self with?

[slow marsh]

I think that it's still not confirmed tbh

Cuz they said one thing but then things were acting differently on ptr

and the tier stats didn't even get updated on ptr until like the last second

[hollow river]

Yeah but there’s no shot I have 285 gloves by the 5th week of creation cata

[oak sky]

Oh yeah for sure

[cold pulsar]

Ah, ok so tbh still, thank you ice

[oak sky]

I wasnt sure exactly what u were asking notrickz

[slow marsh]

he just trying to future proof

[hollow river]

Well I was kinda hinting towards “bis” so you’re not wrong

Yeah I’m just trying to have all 278s stocked up

[slow marsh]

the issue is that it's obviously different between sin and sub

[hollow river]

For creation cata ig

Because vault has been TRAGIC

[slow marsh]

like vers is our last satat

and its everywhere

mastery > vers for sin now

after 4p

[hollow river]

Ye

These gloves are vers mas

Helm is crit haste

So it’s lame but I prolly take gloves

[slow marsh]

i mea you do you

[winged basin]

woah, the sin challenge bosses actually chunk

[hollow river]

I’m doing 0 prog as sin :/

[gusty mirage]

sure do

[slow marsh]

there's lots of different configurations as we start getting more gear

[winged basin]

I am getting absolutely chunked

[gusty mirage]

master poisoner + leeching poison

glhf

[slow marsh]

always dot never envenom

[gusty mirage]

ye only envenom to refresh snd

and even then

its whatever

[slow marsh]

if only we played like that now

oh wait

[limber lion]

My stat weight is actually mastery > vers > crit > haste currently

Vers rising as well

[hollow river]

you've hit the breakpoint in scaling

doomed to wonder the earth in search of

mastery

[oak sky]

hard commit to full casting snd tbh

[spice spire]

Hard commit to DN

[oak sky]

yessir

o7

[bitter aurora]

as venth is it normal to have to wait a global or two before having enough energy for the first garrote in opener? or do i have not enough haste

[ebon notch]

Normal without lust

You can use belf to fill the gap

[mortal pike]

opener without lust is

big

just slam cache on haste and letter rip

[delicate smelt]

should i switch from Venth to Fae with 2 lego/2pc?

[red plaza]

No. #assassination-faq

[obtuse robin]

4pc sub feels cozy in m+

did my first m+ with it

[red plaza]

When the slot machine rolls high, it’s definitely satisfying AF

[obtuse robin]

i got to get used to not full sending finshers in aoe

[craggy oak]

Does master poisoner really not gain enough for m+ with 2 and 4pc. Are sims out yet or still private?

[red plaza]

You can sim yourself 😀

[craggy oak]

Ya i can, but nice to see what the top nerds in here put together for us in nice spread sheet form, with x mastery this becomes better but cos of y its z amount behind still

That sorta thing

[hollow escarp]

I think there were some sims with MP and bis profile

didn't look good

[delicate smelt]

forgot to check updated faq, ty 🙂

[snow torrent]

The 2-set.. I don't need to re-apply bleeds after the debuff is applied right? Sorry for the dumb question

[hollow escarp]

you don't

the buff is dynamic so it will update the damage of your bleeds

[snow torrent]

Awesome, thank you

[viscid spear]

What changes with 2pc?

[void karma]

You press shiv harder

[viscid spear]

Yeah but does it change when I do?

[craggy oak]

Move from useing it on cd, to useing it on cd

[void karma]

Pretty sure you send on cd

[clear finch]

I lold

[void karma]

Think you only hold Shiv with 4pc to line up with vendetta

And I’m not 100% sure on that

[craggy oak]

10 to 12 secs is what you can hold it by i think, but was watching whispyr's stream, he sends it regardless, or was doing at the time

[clear finch]

Ran Fae Sin this morning in H Crab with 4p and it felt good. I just kept sending everything on CD rather than holding for any alignments (suboptimal gamer) but it did feel good. Lord Jesus the amount of times we have to refresh bleeds now 🤣

Also having soulshape feels good for our mobility since we don't get double step.

Sure the venth snap tech exists but Fae does feel good my friends. You have options 🔥🔥

[echo geyser]

soulshape sure does fit sin better'

missing 1 step

[viscid spear]

did the Lords achievement without telling anyone

[timid cloud]

Still thinking about the reason my Crab isn’t getting effected by my 2p…

Anyone having any issues with that, or was it just me?

[clear finch]

I've heard that sometimes our 2p doesn't work

Likely a bug or I'm just spreading fake news.

But I know I've read it here

[timid cloud]

I’ve straight up have had it not work for 3m on Crab.

But I was casting Shiv.

[wild beacon]

Yeah I'm thinking of trying this for prog so I can focus on mechanics more (small brain gamer)

[tranquil haven]

Is there like a minimum haste where you would start to play Sin?

I have like zero haste and it feels so slow

[craggy oak]

Not much to think about just hold vendetta for ~10 secs for flag

[craggy oak]

Not really, more is always better though

[tranquil haven]

I have 5% haste lmao

Making a haste lego ring and 262 boe ring should make it go up enough tho?

[viscid spear]

How are you 5%? Are you naked?

[craggy oak]

Sounds like a sub player

[tranquil haven]

^

[craggy oak]

Then ye probs will feel aweful to play until more haste

[tranquil haven]

Is there a threshold where it would get better to wait for?

[slow marsh]

yeah

0%

[viscid spear]

It's supposed to be SUBtlety, not SUBpar.

[craggy oak]

No, you are in feelycraft terratory there, just get as much haste as you can

Be happy sitting between 20-30%, again, thats more feelycraft, no breakpoints we can hit that i know of. Dont think we can hit dr with haste.
So more haste = better

[slow marsh]

all of that is wrong

[craggy oak]

Give over really

When do we hit dr with haste

Thought it was unobtainable with stats we have

[slow marsh]

10% dr is 825 haste but that was 9.0 dunno if it's changed and quite frankly it doesn't matter anyways

[craggy oak]

Madness, then correct it to, we dr haste but hatse so good we dobt care bout dr

[slow marsh]

except we do ..... lol

but if you just sim topgear it doesn't matter

[craggy oak]

Please expand on "we do" if it "doesnt matter", in what sense?

[slow marsh]

in the sense that you just use top gear

and do what it says

there's no magic number

[craggy oak]

Ye thats what im saying, or maybe didnt come across the way it was meant

[slow marsh]

the number is 0. you can play sin with whatever stats. it's not gonna change how you play

[craggy oak]

This was the intent

[slow marsh]

and no it doesn't feel any better or worse that's fake

we don't get global reduc from more haste and the energy gain we get ioverall s minimal

[craggy oak]

Gcds locked but energy no?

[slow marsh]

you already overcap energy after 4p so it doesn't matter

if anything haste got worse

[craggy oak]

Do you have sim at hand, for comparrison of energy regen of 0 haste vs max haste

Or data rather

[slow marsh]

no but if you want to go on a wild goose chase for something that most experienced people here already know then you can be my guest

[fleet anchor]

You need well over 900 haste rating to have it be of any concern at all

[craggy oak]

Just interested in seeing the numbers and just how minimal minimal is

[slow marsh]

i see koji typing so i'm sure he'll put numbers

[fleet anchor]

It's really not an issue to be concerned with, but as people said it's just best to use Top Gear sims

[timid cloud]

The information for energy regen is pointless regardless of what you do because it’s based off of ticks to poisoned targets from bleeds so when your bleeds tick that fast, you will be capping out no matter how hard you try to dump.

It’s 8 energy a tick for garrote & 8 for rupture.

Just…

Top gear will not lead you astray.

[slow marsh]

I mean it can if you use it incorrectly but generally true

[timid cloud]

It’s really hard to mess up top gear though. Then again, I think it defaults to double oils on weapons, so yeah, maybe as Ice said.

[slow marsh]

there are just some people who are dead set on refusing to learn the basics of simming so they come up with weird stuff

but that's why it's good we are here so they can post sim and the kind gents can fix it up for them 😄

[timid cloud]

Yeah, need the boys to look at my sims & my logs & tell me I’m dogshit so I can improve.

[brazen zodiac]

time to flame the breadman >:)

[timid cloud]

I was doing some practice on M Da-sausage, felt like I got locked up a lot.

Or I can do the cursed move & play Sub instead.

[slow marsh]

sin is fine on sauce

[oak sky]

its definitely a lot worse than sub

[timid cloud]

I know. But Sub actually feels easier to play now that I can just send it.

No worries, rely on my full cp procs.

[oak sky]

having 2 steps and not being glued to 1 target is really good on that fight

[timid cloud]

Ez

Yeah.

[oak sky]

but sin is basically fine

totally playable

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Felt like it, I still had a door, cloak, & step for the onion rings.

[balmy condor]

fae rising

venth in the dirt

[slow marsh]

korayn first strike for add?

⏫

[oak sky]

venth timings are good for shields

but also

its like 3rd boss

[slow marsh]

just shiv and it dies

[oak sky]

i was gonna go sub on xymox

but i just didnt get assigned to platforms

so theres no point

[timid cloud]

Gaslighting me into Fae yet again?!

Now playing Sin on Xy’mox…

[oak sky]

nah its fine

if you don't go plat

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I gotta do 2 plats, then if unlucky, I go 3rd & pray I live.

So I just went Sub to save time. But I did “practice” not going into the plats just to see the other side of the fight.

[oak sky]

yeah

my RL just wants me on boss and then killing the big add on 3rd platform

so

sin works fine

[timid cloud]

I want to use my Rogue utility like that…

Boss die…

[oak sky]

im doing no damage without set though

its a shame

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

(im progging him right now)

theres like 3 of us with no 4p

[timid cloud]

Praying for ALL of my homies to get tier.

[oak sky]

@glass tulip check sepulcher channel

!

[cobalt pelican]

ok checking

[balmy condor]

anything except venth

[timid cloud]

LOL

Kyrian mayhaps?

[oak sky]

gonna pretend i didnt read that

[timid cloud]

I will be banned for my heresy here soon enough, all of the darkest of techs, as Quake would say.

[clear finch]

I play what Whysp tells me to play

Whisp even

[oak sky]

i dont trust whispyr ever since he abandoned the cause

[balmy condor]

I will play fae

and I will play necro

and I will put you in the dirt kiddo

[oak sky]

you will play sub

[balmy condor]

okay well

I also do that

I played sin on dasussy

and skrolex

skrillex

sorry didn't mean to misgender the worm

[glass tulip]

wut

[oak sky]

bro i said hi to you in sepulcher general

:c

[balmy condor]

damn that's crazy bro

[oak sky]

my vendetta got assigned to 2nd add platform on xymox

i get about 5s of uptime

playing sub on monday

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

HUH

[glass tulip]

I was way too malded out by our team failing H jailer

just some real trash cans in there

[kind talon]

not bad for first time in a few months

spec is super fun with 4p

[timid cloud]

What guild are you in now?

[glass tulip]

not a fast CE team, I will put it that way

in a guild as favor to a friend

CE competent players for sure, but also some bozos

[timid cloud]

Ah, sec, let me DM.

[brazen zodiac]

spicy.

[glass tulip]

not anvil gaming, vita

lol

[spice spire]

Mavv in anvil

[glass tulip]

they tried, I ignored their recruiter

[thorny glen]

I have not played since shadow lands launch. My leggo is 225 zoldyc. Where do I go from here in terms of legendary. I'm venth btw. Do I wait for unity and craft venth with that and then switch to duskwalkers for my main legendary?

[blazing pumice]

yes

unity quest isn't overly long

[brazen zodiac]

anvil gaming time @glass tulip

[fleet laurel]

hello everyone i have a question. im a horde Assassin rogue. For my second lego where should i wear it? im necro

i mostly do pvp

[zinc frost]

Check #pvp this is mainly pve related in here

[fleet laurel]

thank you

[timid cloud]

We only slay dragons here.

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, does anyone know a weak aura that tracks when Garrote is empowered through Subterfuge or when it was snapshotted by Vendetta 4p? Basically I want a visual cue that I should not refresh this bleed instance but rather let it expire before reapplying it. Same applies for Rupture without the Subterfuge component ofc.

[solid venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[exotic rose]

Thanks for linking them. Are you implying they have what I mentioned above?

[solid venture]

I think afenar's pack tracks empowered garrotes but for 4p snapshotting u might need to add some triggers and conditions yourself

[exotic rose]

Yeah, I'm not so familiar with WA. I don't know how to track that a dot was applied when a buff was present but may not be anymore (e.g. Garrote was applied during Vendetta but Vendetta has now expired and you still want to show a visual cue that the Garrote was snapshotted).

[solid venture]

This is basically how you want to set it up for garrote 4p pandemic and you can do the same for rupture and CT

[exotic rose]

Hmm but Vendetta will fall off while the snapshotted bleed will still be active.

Let's say that we have a Garrote WA that glows when pandemic is active to alert the user that they need to refresh it. What I want is to not show the glow if the Garrote was initially casted during Vendetta.

Checking for the vendetta debuff doesn't help because the debuff is not present anymore.

[solid venture]

You can just add an extra trigger / condition for that I think

[exotic rose]

that is the point I'm asking if anyone knows how my friend 🙂

[open lion]

so I'm high really high.....In a 2v2 scenario. Deathly Shadows and MoMA as your leggos. You proc a bomb off a rup (assuming garrote is already rolling), immediately Vanish SB cheap shot, vendetta/flag , they're already basically dead not counting 2set or 4 set

[solid venture]

Ceverion will probably be able to give you a better answer than I could

Im just parroting his words rn I don't have any real wa knowledge myself

[exotic rose]

I know how to create a trigger if a debuff is active. I don't know how to create a trigger that activates when a debuff was originally casted when another debuff was present but may not be anymore. 🙂

all good

[open lion]

Nev there used to be RoguePower Bars that showed you normal rupture/garrotes and empowered ones as well

was very handy and now I jsut might see if it still exists lol

[exotic rose]

Is RoguePower Bars a WA or an addon?

[open lion]

was an addon

[exotic rose]

I can see that Mystler pack https://wago.io/NJH5R4xd- has empowered garrote but unfortunately doesn't have 4p. There is heavy lua scripting that I'm not familiar with.

[open lion]

yea I see your dilemma now

[exotic rose]

this just flies over my head

[open lion]

last updated oct 14 2020 lmao

[storm onyx]

i have a garrote subt-empovered tracker wa, but not 4p, it was from wago I think, but was Far-Eastern autor, Korean or China

there are 3 more conditions to it

i am using it since Azerite SS abusing

[open lion]

I believe elvui can track empowered spells as well Nev

[buoyant kraken]

Hi Guys

With 4p, is it dynamic or like a snapshot. Like do i need to have all bleeds up before i vendetta, or could i bleed after vendetta and still get the effect of 4p?

[balmy condor]

When you press vendetta, and any bleeds you cast during vendetta are double the tick rate

[buoyant kraken]

Thanks 🙂

[balmy condor]

The snapshot is that when vendetta drops, they stay at that tick rate

So you want to make sure you get some overhang by casting towards the end

[kindred rapids]

Just never stop attacking the boss

what's the problem 😂

[exotic rose]

@balmy condor do you have 4p tracking on your WA pack?

[kindred rapids]

Just got the sausage down

[open lion]

the g is silent its Dawson 😄

[kindred rapids]

Venth felt pretty nice for sausage, only problem is when the RL was yelling to get on the add but my vendetta was on the boss

Sorry I can actually never stop applying bleeds to my vendetta target

[balmy condor]

Not yet

[exotic rose]

nw

[balmy condor]

Dasussy

The real name

Is dasussy

[kindred rapids]

dasussy huh?

[balmy condor]

This is the amogo raid

https://tenor.com/view/amogus-gif-24170637

[kindred rapids]

finally I know how to pronounce it, thanks Whispyr

purple parsing rogue is roughly a green parsing lock

[normal mist]

Morning

[balmy condor]

Lock dumb

[kindred rapids]

big true

[normal mist]

I'd like to share that, even thought it's nothing to really be excited about, it's the first time i parse so well in the raid (normal for now, my guild haven't started hc yet) and I'm not 4/4 yet.

[main solar]

So with the vendetta snapshotting, what's the rule on refreshing bleeds after vendetta has already ended? Treat it like a subterfuge/exang bleed and don't refresh till it falls off? Or pandemic window like usual?

[balmy condor]

Yep don’t refresh it

Let it run out

[normal mist]

Making my way to top 100!

[balmy condor]

Big

[kindred rapids]

blasting

conquering heroic next?

[normal mist]

Yesterday when we downed anduin, i was doing 19/20k dps when he was 10%

And someone decided that it was my time to go

[kindred rapids]

I love that normal anduin just gets one phased now

[normal mist]

I still have 2 xD

[balmy condor]

You mean heroic anduin?

[kindred rapids]

Soon

he made it to 2nd phase for us 😦

I did 21k on our last normal kill and was 14th dps

[normal mist]

I really need to try ryge or lords hc this week, I'm 3/4 and killed them in normal already

[kindred rapids]

Yes, 14th

[normal mist]

How hard are they hc?

[kindred rapids]

They are getting a lot easier every week

As tier sets come online

and nerfs are pushed

[normal mist]

As an assa rogue, i shouldn't be at 2nd in anduin

[kindred rapids]

but with 4pcs it feels like our raid is doing 40% more damage at least

which sorta trivializes things

[kindred rapids]

true

[normal mist]

Since my raid or atleast 80% of them don't clear ryge/lords, you can guess how many 4/4 we have :))))

Answer: 1

[kindred rapids]

oof

[normal mist]

Our boomie

[sour citrus]

Fellow sinful peeps, what stats do we need to have, to make the theotar tea give you the haste buff?

[normal mist]

In w.logs what's the tab to search results but only for my server/ linked servers?

[normal mist]

It's random

[oak sky]

just reroll it until you find haste tea unfortunately

[sour citrus]

I see, I thought there's somet we have to do. Noticed that when I have high crit stat, it always gives me agility

[normal mist]

That's just bad luck xD

[sour citrus]

Also, how do we do CT in our rotation now? I'm having a hard time keeping up CT.

[normal mist]

Prio ct instead of envenom

But don't let snd fall off

You rather lose ct than snd

[sour citrus]

Oh, thank you for that

Didn't think ofjit that way

[timid cloud]

If only Envenom actually did damage.

[zinc frost]

You mean the snd re-refresher?

[timid cloud]

I’m malding just reading that.

Pressed like a panini.

Pressed like everything else except Envenom.

[solid venture]

Play doomblade

[timid cloud]

Don’t tempt me, I’ll do it.

[solid venture]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146

[timid cloud]

[frosty cedar]

without cut to the chase imagine our envenom cast number

[solid venture]

NIHIL

[sour citrus]

What do I get from my vault? Can't decide and simmed it too. Top choices are 259 tier shoulder, 278 winged hunters glove 56crit 79haste, 275 socketed neck ornately engraved amplifier 168crit 126 haste. I know the gloves will be eventually be replaced with tier gloves, but sims is suggesting getting it over the neck and tier shoulders. And do I disregard the tier piece since we are able to kill normal already and just wait for it to drop?

Please suggest. Thank you.

[fallow otter]

@sour citrus you can convert the 278 to tier in 2 weeks, keep that in mind. If you need damage asap get 4 piece asap otherwise the long play is probably the gloves

Imo

[normal mist]

I think exactly like that aswell

Choose a 278 dagger over 265 hc tier head

That ended up dropping in my normal kill yesterday

[sour citrus]

Understood. Thank you @fallow otter and @normal mist

[fallow otter]

👍

[neon cloak]

Yesterday we did the jailer hc with 20 man and three maces dropped 😂😂

[lunar otter]

why cant i just get 4set

[normal mist]

You will man

In two weeks!

Just like me 🥲

[pseudo hamlet]

*2set

[lunar otter]

@pseudo hamlet nah got the 2set 😄

[pseudo hamlet]

Meant myself, haha. Was really unlucky with drops...
It's hard to get a bonus if people in your raid group are using the tokens and are shocked that they cannot trade them after use.

[normal mist]

But he doesn't xD

[normal mist]

Even after getting tier set already?!

[pseudo hamlet]

Yes, I saw 2 people just clicking the tokens immediately instead of even checking out if they already have that item.

[normal mist]

I mean

[clear finch]

sounds more like they wanted the item