assassination

[hollow escarp]

you have to stay in it

doesn't work like rune of power

[warm drift]

Is there an alternative?

Sounds not fun

[hollow escarp]

well, you use it as much as you can

[warm drift]

Need to get 4p and try it out

[warm drift]

Isn't niya close to dreamweaver if you can't get full value of blossom?

[spice spire]

Not really - otherwise it would probably be recommended.
Niya is the one not recommended altogether, with Korayn first strike being good for m+

[warm drift]

Yeah makes sense. What makes niya worse? Just the binds by itself?

[hollow escarp]

Dreamweaver is not only field of blossoms, you also have 3% damage increase on your targets and triple potency

[warm drift]

Ohh, that i have missed

[hollow escarp]

there's also pod, but it's not the greatest cheat death

[vestal wren]

you can not run cheat death tho 👀

i tried that yesterday

[hollow escarp]

[vestal wren]

and died from not getting healed

XD

[hollow escarp]

elusiveness time?

[vestal wren]

funnily enough i did play soothing

[hollow escarp]

ohh

yeah, that's also a nice talent

[vestal wren]

elusiveness might not be terrible

[hollow escarp]

leeching poison also nice

[vestal wren]

i think at least for sub its worth considering

because there arn't to many mechanics in the raid that oneshot you

for sin idk how well the other 2 talents work out

[hollow escarp]

elusiveness is dps loss

[vestal wren]

on the flip site, perfekto did only survive in one pull due to cheat death on jailer

so ... i guess cheat death has always the factor of preventing death if something goes wrong

[pine pollen]

Just looking for a little advice please. Just got my cinch of unity and also just got enough currency to craft a legendary. Cinch has obedience on, what would be the best one to craft?

Should have said that I don’t yet have a set. Just 1 raid find piece so far.

[hollow escarp]

dashing until you get 4 set

you could also craft it on a lower ilvl piece since 291s might be more expensive

[pine pollen]

Thank you. I was going to craft it on 262il back until I can get better gear.

[formal badge]

Quick question, when do i actually vanish with Master Assassin ? Im currently trying out the Vent tech and in my mind i should vanish after my setup right ?

[normal mist]

If I remember correctly

Mut - snd mut garrote flag rupture shiv vendetta and vanish here

Might have some flaws

[limber lion]

You just Vanish during the window when you have everything up

So after Flag/Vend/Shiv

[formal badge]

ok so after the setup i vanish, which makes sense

thanks guys

cba to play anymore sub with beta ass heroic EoNs

[timid cloud]

Heroic EON's still are fine for Sub.

[formal badge]

Yes thats true, but ive grinded so much Sub last season M+ and Progress i just need some fresh air xd

[outer cairn]

true. still have mine in my OH, but a 265 dagger replaced by MH. For now.

dear sweet baby jesus please let that 278 in my vault turn into tier that i need

[brave gazelle]

So is mfd the goto over vigor for the 4p
(Imb4 sim yourself I just meant as a general guideline)

[outer cairn]

for venth. yes

[spice spire]

Only for venth.
And tbf, the three major covenants we use all may choose something separate on that line.
It is a sim yourself question but venthyr loves mfd

[outer cairn]

It used to be more about just ensuring your Flag stacks got high enough. Now its also about getting it high enough so your haste on bleeds is higher when you pop vendetta with 4pc. I think.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but its about snapshottg right?

[brave gazelle]

I feel with so much haste from venth with vigor and a high haste build you'll probbaly get overcapp problems too so it defo makes sense
Thank you my dudes

[outer cairn]

Without MfD, you'll only get flag to around 20-25. You obviously want at least 28. MfD just makes that so much easier.

but with 4pc, flag, and then vendetta doubling the tick rate, the energy comes so much faster so

[spice spire]

Any time mister gnar, the big deal with vigor is the +50 energy, you don’t feel the regen as much as you think

[ripe gulch]

do we play zoldyck when we dont have 4p in keys?

[outer cairn]

Think you play it regardless, but my rule of thumb was, if Tyrannical I went Dashing/Obe. If Fortified, Zoldyck.

[limber lion]

yes always zold

[ripe gulch]

with 4p too?

[limber lion]

nah then you can play either zoldy or dusky

[outer cairn]

I mean on Tyrannical the adds would die fairly quick so Zold doesn't seem to be the go to anyways and you'd want more ST dmg for the boss anyways

[limber lion]

?

How does mobs dying faster take away from Zoldyck's value?

[outer cairn]

I'm not saying it does. I'm saying it makes more sense to have more damage on a higher health boss than having execute damage on adds that are going to get blown up by other AoE classes anyways

[limber lion]

You literally just did

But yeh

Even as Venthyr you would play Zoldyck

because we have double legendaries

So you run Obedience/Zoldyck together

Regardless of covenant, you always play Zoldyck without 4p

[outer cairn]

talking about w/ 4pc

[limber lion]

???

Literally not

From "Zoldyck loses value because adds die quick" to "I didn't say that Zoldyck loses value"

And from "We play Dashing/Obe on Tyra, fortified Zoldyck without 4p"

to "I'm talking about 4p"

[outer cairn]

You said w/ 4pc play zold or dusk. I'm saying on tyrannical, to me, it makes more sense to play dusk for more vendettas for more dmg on a higher st boss. on fort when trash has higher health, makes more sense, to me, to play zold for the execute dmg to help bring them down quicker. not sure what you're confused about

[limber lion]

this part

because you literally talk about not having 4p here

then suddenly turn it into having 4p

but yeh

I say that we play Zold everywhere without 4p, you say "well we don't want to do that on tyrannical"

not once mentioning 4p ever

So yeh

[outer cairn]

congrats?

[limber lion]

That's it?

[outer cairn]

just blocking you. don't have time for child mentality

[drifting cloud]

lmao

[empty hinge]

Pretty based

[limber lion]

Well that took a 360 pretty quickly

[outer cairn]

if someone wants to come on here and punch holes in whats said to validate themselves let'em. not going to listen to it.

welcome to the internet

[limber lion]

You good?

[drifting cloud]

hes probably still tilted from mage tower

[empty hinge]

Rofl

[outer cairn]

why? I beat it

[bleak sky]

[final star]

I ain't even an assa player but this got me cracking up

Continue please

[hollow river]

I FoK’d mage tower

[crystal vault]

is the priest fae cdr good for assa?

[hollow river]

Its not terrible but don’t think it’s the best choice by any means

[drifting cloud]

its alright, not sure how it ranks compared to other specs

[hollow river]

I think demo locks typically get it

[brave gazelle]

Tbf he said the part about not using zold after valsin said with 4p
Imo having higher health mods would mean theyre Alive longer during exercute and therefore making zold more effective? I think his logic is zold seems kinda pointless if other clases are gonna blow those adds up in 2 seconds flat anyway

[spice spire]

The 30% of damage is 30% regardless, unless you get 0 ticks in which case

[brave gazelle]

But tdlr zolds gonna be best untill 4 piece then dusk is equal to it and more preferable when more st is needed

[drifting cloud]

if adds are dead in 2 seconds playing assa is pointless aswell

[hollow river]

And when it comes to timing tyrannical keys Dusk seems hard to pass up

[gloomy fern]

Pointless spec

[spice spire]

Correct

[brave gazelle]

TBf the logical choice would be going sub and doing the same or more dps with only 2 buttons but what's the fun in that 👀

[limber lion]

He literally specified that he does not think Zoldyck is the better choice, which is referring to me saying that you want to play Zoldyck everywhere. I did mention that you play both Dusk/Zoldyck with 4p.

But yeah, if a mob lives for 100 seconds, you get 30s of execute

which is 30%

if a mob lives for 20s, you get 6% of execute

which is still 30%

[gloomy fern]

30% is 30%

[limber lion]

What matters (but really doesn't) is how frontloaded the damage is from the other party members

if you have a firemage that blasts a pack down to 40% hp instantly in the beginning, you get more value from Zoldyck because you spend more time inside the execute window than you normally would.

but all of that doesn't really matter

[raven vapor]

i'm sure this has been asked already but i can't seem to find the answer, but what would the opener be in massive aoe packs (e.g Gambit) for necro sin

[limber lion]

What matters is that Zoldyck is the best legendary without 4p in every situation and always with double legendaries. You should not play Dashing in keys, ever.

[limber lion]

Gar gar gar gar ct sbs sbs rup sbs rup shiv

[brave gazelle]

Who tfs playing dashing in keys smh

[limber lion]

Apparently he is

[raven vapor]

tyty that's what i've been doing so glad to see it confirmed

[limber lion]

because he mentioned Zoldyck, Dashing and Obedience

one of which you have every single time because of unity

[brave gazelle]

Ohh I read that as dusk no dashing
My dyslexic ass

[raven vapor]

are we just throwing vendetta out randomly during big packs and continuing to dot or do we focus the vendetta target?

leaving it until everything has been dotted seems to lose value as the mob dies during the vendetta window

[limber lion]

Without 4p you can just send it and keep applying bleeds to everything around you

with 4p you want to focus it down more aggressively

[raven vapor]

i've got 4p

[limber lion]

Yeh, you should apply bleeds to stuff around you

[junior rampart]

anyone facing issue while logging to battle.net or wow client?

[limber lion]

then press Vendetta and pretty much full-focus that one add

[raven vapor]

great thanks

[odd heath]

Maintenance happening

[limber lion]

whilst still maintaining stuff like CT and possible ruptures whenever possible

[odd heath]

Cev, how was your dps on p3 M pantheon?

Necro zold I assume

[limber lion]

around 25k

yeh Necro Zold

just checked, it was 24.3k

[odd heath]

Nice

Got 24.1 yesterday

1sr prog kill

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

Yeh the 24.3k was on my prog kill without double lego as well

[bleak sky]

tell your guild to stop private logging psycho 😠

[limber lion]

played like a dirty dog on our reclear

[odd heath]

Got a 100% parse on it lol

[odd heath]

Hmmm, but deathspike doesn't add too much tho

[limber lion]

It definitely does

for p3

[odd heath]

A little.bit yes

Not huuuge

It's a nice fight, hectic on p3

[stray mural]

did i read the pin right? we're running CT on ST now to max out the hasted bleeds?

[limber lion]

Correct.

With 4p

[stray mural]

man thats gonna feel weird

im assuming you maintain it the same way you do in keys and only cast it when shiv isnt on cd/is about to come off cd

do envenom casts even matter anymore?

[boreal whale]

Is there a set remaining duration of vendetta you're aiming for when "making sure to reapply gar/rup toward the end of Vendetta. for the snapshot of the bleeds?

[limber lion]

0-2 seconds

[limber lion]

Not quite

with 4p we want to keep CT up at all times

regardless of Shiv or Vendetta windows

It's just another bleed that you have to maintain as much as possible on top of garrote and rupture

[lone minnow]

sorry if this was asked before, but with this new tech, we still playing zoldyck on ST? Not sure if it's mentioned anywhere

[limber lion]

Still?

We've never played Zoldyck in single target

[lone minnow]

nvm

got the name wrong

the cdr vend lego

[limber lion]

Duskwalker's

[lone minnow]

been a long day

yes

dusk

[limber lion]

Yeah, we always play Dusk with the 4p

Regardless of covenant

[lone minnow]

ok thx, also thx for the new builds 🙂

[limber lion]

By the way, for anyone that's interested, I've updated my plater profile to match the current plater version with some slight modifications and improvements.

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[stray mural]

thanks Cev

[pure moth]

Thanks

[ripe gulch]

hoyl shit necro sin in keys is a blast

how did i ever play sub

[stray mural]

spike your enemies, feel the rush

[ripe gulch]

cev would you play necro or venth with 4 piece in m+

[stray mural]

id personally go necro on fort weeks and venth on tyr weeks but im not a god gamer

[ripe gulch]

seems like the choice

[limber lion]

I would probably just play Necro everywhere every time

[spice spire]

I like Necro a lot

On either

[stray mural]

i pick between whichever gets me invited to pugs

[spice spire]

But if you’re in desperate need of flag prio, sure.

I’ll usually swap venthyr if we need one

Otherwise I’m spiking people

[rotund oak]

now u need to update ur twitch channel

AND OPEN IT

😅

[ripe gulch]

i would like to see cev play tbh

idk any sin streamers to watch

[rotund oak]

there arent any

only Seliathan plays

[ripe gulch]

[spice spire]

Oxi, seli, and whispyr all stream.
Idk if whispyr is sin gaming yet tho

[bleak sky]

He is

[rotund oak]

Whispyr Subs

[bleak sky]

Nah he swapped back to sin

[rotund oak]

im literally watching him

[spice spire]

I’d take the dude that raids with him

[rotund oak]

Oxi streams?

gief info

[bleak sky]

Rarely but yes

[spice spire]

It’s on his profile

[ebon notch]

ive tried to get him to stream but he hates it, says wow "isnt designed to be streamed"

because he gets shit fps

[spice spire]

He streams a bit, less so currently

[rotund oak]

make a charity to buy him new connection + pc

he deserves eveyrhting

rank 1 parses dont come out of nothing

there is skill and information we can take from him

[ebon notch]

just get good

[ripe gulch]

who is oxi

[rotund oak]

Guy hater btw 😅

[spice spire]

Oxi is another one of the CFs that’s primarily an assassination player.
He can play any spec, but yeah he’s primarily assassination gaming

[bleak sky]

Oxi on that road to gladiator

[spice spire]

True

Most of the green names you’ll see here are primarily assassination gamers

[subtle tundra]

i used to be an assa gamer

life hard

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

Disgusting

[subtle tundra]

next week ill try nf assa for st

i promise

next reset*

[rotund oak]

😂

[bleak sky]

This week should be decent m+ eh

Necrotic spiteful I think?

[subtle tundra]

spiteful?

big L

[bleak sky]

Just vanish and kill your friends

[spice spire]

Yes man

[slow marsh]

Spiteful? Good thing I just bought finality cloak

[spice spire]

About to mass remove the red from people’s names

On god

[ebon notch]

that is a non assa week

[slow marsh]

I'm trying my hardest to stay sin in raid

[bleak sky]

You already bullied me out of red name quake

Can't hurt me anymore

[spice spire]

I DID NOTHING

I made a meme post

And whispyr removed the role

[bleak sky]

I know, I know, I jest

[spice spire]

I do nothing more than meme

[bleak sky]

I'll have my lawyer sue whispyr

No biggies

[spice spire]

I made @carmine dawn remove his outlaw role tho

[slow marsh]

Kek

If I had mine removed I'd probably be forced to go to the dark side

[bleak sky]

Dark side has aoe, better funnel, more stuns

[slow marsh]

Nananna that's not dark side

[spice spire]

Demon Hunter

[bleak sky]

......what do you mean then

[ebon notch]

outlaw has gouge

and slot machine gaming!!!

[bleak sky]

G uge

[spice spire]

Buddy, that’s sub wdym

[muted ivy]

utlaw

[spice spire]

Slot machine gaming

[slow marsh]

Gouge actually op

[bleak sky]

Outlaw 400 APM 12k dps

[empty hinge]

Who plays outlaw anyway

[bleak sky]

[slow marsh]

Ye it's sad

[ebon notch]

nah cause you do good damage regardless

theres no risk

[slow marsh]

But it's also pretty much the same as sin in m+ so really which is worse

[ebon notch]

its a gamble between damage and MORE damage

[bleak sky]

Good damage?

[ebon notch]

sub does good damage no matter what

the set makes it do nutty damage

[bleak sky]

Oh I thought you were still talking outlaw

[ebon notch]

no lmao

thats what makes outlaw actual slot machine

[spice spire]

4p is the definition of slot machine gaming.

[limber lion]

I'm already famous enough

got people impersonating and stealing my name already

[slow marsh]

Outlaw isn't even slot machine it's just anti synergy

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

I’m already caught? Damn

[limber lion]

The person is from Area-52

so

[spice spire]

Thank god I’m a mal’ganis gamer

[ebon notch]

nahhh you can easily make money off streaming

buy some more guitar strings or w.e you do

[limber lion]

This is the funniest thing ever

[spice spire]

Wtf

[ebon notch]

where tf is the H

[spice spire]

Mans tryna copy everything about you

[limber lion]

Man goes "hello Ceverion" and then proceeds to change his name after when I don't answer him

[bleak sky]

Man there is no H, did you not read the name? Smh my head daps

[limber lion]

and now he has a character on Area-52 that's called Ceverion as well

@humble ocean

[ebon notch]

i have a new name

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

dont ask where i got it from

[bleak sky]

There's a pleb with a similar name

[ebon notch]

on god? where he at

[bleak sky]

Though he's on a small yuropean server so I wouldn't worry about him

[ebon notch]

Y U R O P

the dream would be for cev to add "without an H" at the end

but it may never be

[spice spire]

Gonna rename all my toons minalba

For the identity theft memes

[grim tangle]

there was a guy once who applied to our guild pretending to be someone else

[bleak sky]

[grim tangle]

we only figured it out after the interview they were about to accept him

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

i posted it here before but someone applied to my old guild with edited logs

and then proceeded to edit the logs further once in the guild

[spice spire]

Oh the feral Druid?

[ebon notch]

ye

[grim tangle]

people are weird

[spice spire]

Absolute goat that lad was

[ebon notch]

when people asked him he was like

"who cares lmao"

[slow marsh]

ferals will do anything to get a raid spot huh

[hollow escarp]

apparently he does, since he had to edit logs

[ebon notch]

funniest part was leaking dms from the GM going "we recruited this sick new shaman he has so many rank 1s"

"he wants to reroll feral tho"

the shaman logs were edited tho lmao

[bleak sky]

Imagine being a feral druid

[spice spire]

Isn’t that before buffs ?

[ebon notch]

someone link the clip of ferals doing 3 convokes in 1 urh buff

[bleak sky]

I think it is before buffs yeah

[spice spire]

That man really traded clout for a tier of pain

Respect

[ebon notch]

pretty sure that was just PTR

[spice spire]

It was

Or wait, is there a clip in live of a triple convoke during urh?

[true pelican]

so on 2t we don't apply rupture on the 2nd target while vendetta+shiv is up, is this also true for higher target counts?

[ebon notch]

only on ptr

[spice spire]

Ye I thought so

[limber lion]

Yes

You want to use Vend/Shiv as soon as possible

to get them on cd

[true pelican]

thanks

[granite widget]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vestal wren]

don't they get buffed?

[bleak sky]

They will, I guess those are pre-buff numbers

[granite widget]

idk why they're buffing ele

or destro for that matter

[true pelican]

is the necro 2t opener in pins with double lego?

[limber lion]

Sort of

It assumes that you only get to spike one target at a time and don't cleave from Deathspike on the first sbs

similar to how the Pantheon encounter would begin

[ebon notch]

[strange python]

[vestal zodiac]

do we run duskwalkers in m+ as necro?

[hidden bloom]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Yes

[viscid spear]

Looking at the pins, is Triple Pot Theo only better than DD Nadja if you roll Haste tea?

[spice spire]

Yes

For most scenarios, always sim

You can even sim haste tea specifically for the GIGA high roll

[viscid spear]

I really want to use this 291 Dusk ring

[strange python]

Feel that

Been sitting in my inventory for 3 weeks

[viscid spear]

Rocking a 262 Dashing cloak, thought I'd be closer to 4pc by now

[carmine dawn]

Anyone still yellow is delusional or not playing wow

@spice spire what channel even is this I’m so lost

[tight ginkgo]

[spice spire]

A stalwart of mental fortitude

Museless continues the yellow train

[green badge]

For Venthyr which soulbind do people prefer? I find standing in the umbrella fairly difficult on movement encounters so thinking of moving to Nadija

[tight ginkgo]

I play this game the way the good lord intended it. target capped.

[spice spire]

🛑

You’ll OD on copium buddy

[spice spire]

I prefer umbrella over bad nadjia timings tbh

[green badge]

Hmm that's true

[viscid spear]

[willow eagle]

Staying true to the cause

[subtle tundra]

no shot my gm wants me to play sub on lihuvim

for "add dmg"

[drifting cloud]

dont you funnel anywys lol

[granite widget]

if I don't have chest tier and only plan on playing sin for 1-2 fights, is chest duskwalker bad? sims better than ring and is a lot cheaper

i know theres tier conflicts later on

but i can't decide :/

[subtle tundra]

for the intermission add

[green badge]

Does anyone have the rogue super spreadsheet with like CoS blockable abilities for SotFO?

[spice spire]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[spice spire]

Submissions have been extremely slow this tier

So if you find any, please submit (it’s on the sheet on how to do) so I can add it

[green badge]

Thanks! And will do :)

[spice spire]

I and everyone else that’s doing submissions also get a ping that says “HEY SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING, DO IT SLAVE”

[ebon notch]

bullied off assa for lihuvim

i dont wanna play sub

[viscid spear]

Too much lemon in our cherry pie.

[ebon notch]

i dontk onw what htea means but yeah sure im down

[spice spire]

Yellow in red channel

Museless honorary assassination lad, and overall gamer

[viscid spear]

Such a sweet surprise

Sin is my cherry pie, but I can be your huckleberry

[spice spire]

[drowsy parcel]

killed m lihuvim as 2p assassin

[viscid spear]

I didn't think the gif I posted warrant'd use

[drowsy parcel]

now im 3p

maybe one year i can get 4 set

[fathom finch]

What does that mean?

[spice spire]

Showing the haters what’s up

[fathom finch]

NM.....I see.

[granite widget]

during vendetta on 2t, do you bother maintaining bleeds on the non-vendetta target? (assuming you applied them right before)

or do you just send it all on the vendetta target

[carmine dawn]

Maintain

[subtle tundra]

you cant use garrote on 2nd add

[carmine dawn]

But it’s kinda hard to maintain tbh so it’s ok to let Ct fall off for a sec or two

[granite widget]

ct isnt a problem

[subtle tundra]

you can only get rupture on it

[granite widget]

cause you ct main

[carmine dawn]

But you might have to choose between envenom to extend SND or refresh CT

[granite widget]

so maintain rupture on 2nd instead of an extra envenom on vendetta right

[carmine dawn]

If you aren’t worried about SND then yes, bleed uptime is more important then squeezing in another envenom and letting 2nd rup fall

[viscid spear]

We accept lemons here

[placid pagoda]

Assa necro ST, we running dusk or doom?

[fathom finch]

I ran Sin from Mists (I think?) - Legion, loved it. Legion it was amazing. Then Outlaw overtook it; so I'm testing it again.

[spice spire]

Until 4p doom, once 4p happens, dusk.

[placid pagoda]

thank you

[half light]

I have a question, why are the top parsers in Warcraft logs using Crimson Tempest, Master assassin talents? Is there a hidden interaction or something?

[granite widget]

that might just be the best for venthyr

[flat skiff]

How far behind is the new Venthyr assassination build to sub

[granite widget]

er that is the best

[flat skiff]

Might try it out for halondrus

[granite widget]

not far at all but sub is a lot better on halondrus

[hollow escarp]

KING

[subtle tundra]

halondrus will be better for sub

autoattacks dont miss

[flat skiff]

Just bc of the not missing thing?

[limber lion]

They're pretty much the same

[subtle tundra]

yes, its quite big

[limber lion]

Sub still ahead on Hallydally

[hollow escarp]

secret technique

[limber lion]

It's not too bad though

[flat skiff]

Maybe I’ll still try it out

[limber lion]

Go for it

[flat skiff]

I think I play sub way worse than assas

[limber lion]

Then just stick to Assa

[hollow escarp]

in most cases you won't wipe because you do less damage

[flat skiff]

Yea in our gear we have to stop dps on Halondrus anyway to wait for ideal timings for p3, not that we’re there yet but I doubt we will ever wipe to damage. Def will just be bombs blowing up or motes hitting

[granite widget]

how long can you hold vendetta for flag?

[limber lion]

If you play Duskwalkers and Obedience together, you should be syncing them together everytime pretty much

[granite widget]

i notice when vendetta is off cd, flag still has about 5-6s

[flat skiff]

Also, do you want haste buff ideally from cache of treasures

Or does it not matter

[limber lion]

That's fine

[limber lion]

Just take the axe

[spice spire]

Axe

[half light]

Why is Master Assassin + Crimson Tempest better for venthyr? Even on single target? Seen some skolex logs using both

[hollow escarp]

snapshotting tech

check the most recent pin here

[granite widget]

man. I didn't like sin back in SoD, but now it feels so good to play

with tier

everything lines up so well

[flat skiff]

Any assas streamers out there playing the new build? Just wanna watch some vods of it

[limber lion]

Maybe I'll just succumb and stream tomorrow

[obtuse robin]

[half light]

Thanks!

[ripe gulch]

@limber lion my sim tells me to double garrote only on 2 targets

but it feels so wrong

do you do this?

like garrote each target once

[strange python]

Would you take CT on single target on nightfae too

[spice spire]

Ayo?

[limber lion]

Yes of course, why wouldn't you?

[hollow escarp]

bfa things

[limber lion]

It's just not worth pressing garrote twice, we don't have Shrouded Suffocation buffing our garrote damage by tenfold

[limber lion]

Nope

[strange python]

👍🏻

[ripe gulch]

because im used to garroting 3 times with subterfuge

[limber lion]

Yeah with 3 targets

but you don't do that on 1-2 targets

If you've been doing that the past 2 years, you've been playing the talent wrong

[ripe gulch]

i havent played subter in shadowlands at all actually

thats from bfa

[spice spire]

Yeah bfa garrote was omega buffed by shrouded.
We don’t do that anymore

[ripe gulch]

aww

so subter got nerfed?

thats rough

[limber lion]

No

lol.

[spice spire]

Fucking autocorrect - not bugged

[limber lion]

Shrouded Suffocation was removed

it was an azerite trait

[ripe gulch]

OH

right

nvm

[limber lion]

which increased our garrote damage tenfold

[ripe gulch]

ye

sad

[wicked valve]

RIP shrouded. The only part of BFA I miss.

[ripe gulch]

and eb

[wicked valve]

Truth.

[deft vault]

=ç0-è^p

à(LOÉ:ÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉ

é

[limber lion]

bruh

[spice spire]

[ripe gulch]

is sin wow analyzer decent?

[limber lion]

No

It's terrible and should never be used

[spice spire]

NO

Reading ones own logs is a good skill to have playing wow

[deft vault]

woops dog jumped on my keyboard

[spice spire]

Happens to the best of us

[ripe gulch]

what about for fury warr

smth has to be wrong with this, theres no way

[spice spire]

I don’t recommend wow analyzer for anyone tbh

[winged basin]

I want everyone to know.. ive been cheating on you.. with Ele shaman..

[ebon notch]

wow analyser 👎

[spice spire]

Banned

[winged basin]

hahahahahahahaa

[viscid spear]

[winged basin]

listen, being emperor palpatine in keys is just fun, dont shame me

[chrome peak]

I'm not sure if the raid builds for Necro are valid on Subcreation - which legendary should I go with if I'm a necrolord raider? (Don't get mad at me please)

[slow marsh]

As if chain lightning does anything and you're not just getting carried by EQ O.o

[slow marsh]

Dusk everywhere after 4p

[chrome peak]

So Dusk and Deathspike are ok?

[slow marsh]

Ye

[ebon notch]

im so angry rn on god

[chrome peak]

Thanks

[slow marsh]

Np

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

Don't mind him he's the old new old grumpy man

[viscid spear]

Probably still has Vanishing Powder in his bags

[chrome peak]

Back in my day we used Thieves' Tools

[buoyant juniper]

question: which of the 3 specs has the best 2pc tier set?

[slow marsh]

I logged into my lvl 65 tbc rogue and was disgusted

Then I fix my UI and now I'm happy

[uneven hamlet]

is it worth going dusk over zold in m pantheon?

[slow marsh]

Uhhh depends

[slow marsh]

That would depend on your group DPS and if you get more vendetta's off or not

But generally in phase one and two dusk is way better so you just use that

[buoyant juniper]

for a beginner pver, which of the 3 specs should i go for normal sepulcher raid? i got 2pc tier

[loud light]

that's a very different question

than which spec gets the most out of 2p

[uneven hamlet]

If that is the case will prob go dusk, p3 is far away for us

[buoyant juniper]

yea lol i was just curious

[slow marsh]

If you have any sylv dagger then just learn sub. As much as it pains me to say

[loud light]

right now for raid the most 'meta' choice is subtlety followed by assassination and then outlaw last, they all will take some learning if you haven't played them before

[buoyant juniper]

ty

[vestal wren]

i think it shows your cooldown usage visually well

but i wouldn't use it unless i look for very specific things that are easy to see

[spice spire]

All of that can just as easily be seen (with a bit of navigation knowledge) in logs though

[buoyant juniper]

any recommended guides that go over sin rotation/priority list of spells?

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

All of those

[buoyant juniper]

ty

[amber fossil]

with everyone using subt/deeper now, doomblade seems like it doesnt fit at all. As necro w/ dbl lego and 0T should I just stick with MA/vigor?

[zinc frost]

Yeah no subt/deeper if you don’t have tier set

[untold nest]

The #assassination-faq also has a lot of VERY good info

I would start with that then go into any of the other guides

[buoyant juniper]

@untold nest i just went through it but i dont think there was a section talking about rotations

[limber lion]

You should sim all legendary and talent combos

[untold nest]

You are correct it’s in the pins of this channel my bad :p

[amber fossil]

I will do that, just wondering cause I got some advise to use subt/deeper everywhere

apprec the clarification

[half light]

is there a new APL for simming the snapshotting mechanic? also, are there auras for checking it? thanks in advance!

[normal mist]

I swear my stats destribution look good as F

Btw can someone tell me how much valor we get per week? Maxed tazavesh dagger, but just got SD dagger aswell, 1.5k to max upgrade it

[plush delta]

750 i believe

[gray fjord]

Yep, good is correct. 750 cap increase per week, most likely until 9.2.5 which is theoretically when conquest/valor caps go away for the remainder of the patch. At least if the follow 9.1 logic

[normal mist]

I see. That means I can't max the second dagger right away :(

Goddamn it

[winged basin]

I got agi theo tea and I feel like I cant play my rogue until raid LMAO

[timid cloud]

Haste Tea is better.

[glass tulip]

isnt agi tea close to the worst option?

[pure moth]

I get it often and right click it off

[slow marsh]

If you get agi tea you go nadjia

[formal herald]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[flat skiff]

Are we aiming for 100% CT uptime or is it better to like envenom during a non-vendeta shiv instead of reapplying CT if its dropping

[slow marsh]

no

keep CT up and envenom as a filler or to keep snd going

[kindred heron]

ceverion still having the top heroic Lihuvim parse with one legendary, no externals and a +3 minute kill timer is disgusting someone please dethrone this man

[white orchid]

We’d need 4 set to even try lol

[fleet whale]

so after race changing from Nelf to Velf... yeah Velf's look a lot better lol

[solar stump]

he'll have done higher in guild its just private

[obtuse robin]

[With realm restarts] Swarm of Darkness and Swarm of Decay caused by Mal'Ganis' Unto Darkness will now increase all damage taken by 100% rather than only area-of-effect abilities.

lets go

[wide ridge]

necro + sub mfd ct for M vigilant guardian?

[oak sky]

Probably deeper

[brazen zodiac]

probs savin cds for that now yeah?

[hollow river]

to an extent ye

[oak sky]

sin is so bad on sausage

[hollow river]

assa stonks rising

i can only imagine ag

[oak sky]

like having to stick on boss is giga troll

1 step is fine

[hollow river]

ye

[oak sky]

being venth is good

[hollow river]

sub can switch add

[oak sky]

yeah

sub is just much better

because it doesn't have vendetta

[hollow river]

and blow it up purtty gurd

[oak sky]

venth feels good on the shields

but being sin doesn't feel great

[timid cloud]

Wait, what's this bug that I just experienced? my 2P didn't activate until 3:00m into a crabby fight?

[bleak sky]

did you hold shiv for 3 min?

[timid cloud]

LOL

Yes, this is my first time playing rogue, I'm sorry.

[bleak sky]

Well then mr Ninjbreadmanx, you might want to read the guide!

[timid cloud]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[timid cloud]

Ty

[bleak sky]

I think those are pretty good, very pretty words and images

[timid cloud]

I like picture books.

No really though, I didn't hear about that bug, is that common?

[bleak sky]

no idea, first time reading about it

doesn't seem to be in the bug tracker

[viscid spear]

[timid cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XtZVjLm1NwFg7GWr/#fight=2&type=auras&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&target=2&ability=364668

I think it just happened to me again, gotta check the fresh one.

Yeah, there's like gaps in it.

Now I'm like mega paranoid about my unity not even working either, lol.

[bleak sky]

you have 2 rogues

degen

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

I dunno, I've never had that issue before.

[kindred rapids]

I feel like somehow all of my secondaries are low

[oak sky]

i hate my life man

i found a mythic boe

i have to give it to guild

i should gquit rn

[viscid spear]

[clever kindle]

sin gonna fuck on lords of dread now

[wide ridge]

during the 'dark phase' in H rygelon where we have to stack on those unstable cores or w/e theyre called

am i inting if i cloak there?

[balmy condor]

yes

[wide ridge]

am i inting if i feint either?

[timid cloud]

It has to siphon HP from you so cloak doesn't allow that.

[balmy condor]

I don't think it's feintable

but it would int

[wide ridge]

dam

what a shame

[balmy condor]

it's just raid wide healing

there's no reason to cloak it

its just healer mechanic

if you're dying to it, so it the rest of your raid

[wide ridge]

yeah i just like to help on those situations

but youre right

[balmy condor]

it literally doesn't help though

its' all aoe

[wide ridge]

[timid cloud]

Still thinking about this Shiv thingy.

Whispyr, does the Grudge Match come from YOU or the TARGET you Shiv?

[clever kindle]

finally got a m+ dagger

[timid cloud]

Cause like, I don't know how I could get any closer to crab without that puddle railing me in the middle.

[viscid spear]

Heroic gloves, replace Normal gloves

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

yeah

its gone

[hollow river]

sadge

[oak sky]

2m down the drain

and im poor

[viscid spear]

🥷

[hollow river]

that's crazy man

[viscid spear]

Shoulda ninja's

[hollow river]

you still in the same guild?

[oak sky]

100k in my inventory

and i gave up a 2m boe

[hollow river]

do they at least split it with you once it's sold?

[oak sky]

sold?

no it went to a player

[hollow river]

WTF LOL

that's just dumb

it's a tier set slot

[oak sky]

no

[tulip kernel]

on pantheon during last phase do i FoB or mutilate

[hollow river]

unless it's the cloak

[oak sky]

its not

it was the cloak

[hollow river]

lmfao wowzerz

[oak sky]

still

2m

[hollow river]

imagine

not

[oak sky]

2m when they know im the poorest player

[hollow river]

keeping

it

[oak sky]

LOL

i dont have a choice

[hollow river]

why didn't they let you equip

[oak sky]

because its vers mastery

LOL

and i still have a leggo in cloak slot

[hollow river]

yeah that shit should've been sold

fk that

[oak sky]

arcane mage got it

[echo geyser]

nah they should just pay u a bit

[hollow river]

or that

[oak sky]

our arcane mage is loaded

too

[echo geyser]

but its kinda normal

[oak sky]

ramfam

[echo geyser]

as long as its set rules

[oak sky]

my guild is shit

[viscid spear]

Jeez Agreon, I thought Chris Rock got slapped the hardest in the last 24 hours but you're making a case

[hollow river]

yeah my last guild split boe sales with whoever got it

but it was a set rule

[echo geyser]

but i could see how u could get abused in lower end

[hollow river]

from the jump

[oak sky]

last tier i yoinked one though

i just sold it and nobody even saw that i got it

[hollow river]

is it a set rule?

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

funded my whole tier

[hollow river]

in the guild

[oak sky]

yeah think so

its annoying the shit out of me tho

because its borderline useless

its a dog ass cloak

[echo geyser]

my guild on prog boe's go to guild

then a bit later they become keep to sell or w/e

[oak sky]

i would bet money our arcane mage will need to replace it at some point

[viscid spear]

Any I've been in just grats you on it and move on

Agreon obv plays in a much more serious guild but still

[oak sky]

lol

maybe more than u ig

[hollow river]

not as serious as you might think

[oak sky]

if you dont raid mythic

[hollow river]

but CE is pretty serious to more casual raiders ig

[echo geyser]

idk how much dps cloaks are but they seem expensive

[oak sky]

its just an extremely average CE guild

[oak sky]

2m

[viscid spear]

I mean we just killed HC Lihuvim

[oak sky]

oh yeah

[echo geyser]

i managed to snipe a boe for 850k, vers mastery cloak with avoidance

[oak sky]

yeah more serious than you

[echo geyser]

now normally the base price is 1-2mil lol

[oak sky]

but like not serious in the grand scheme right

[viscid spear]

I got gloves, which replace the 252 gloves.
So I went from 1pc to 1pc

[echo geyser]

absolute steal, bought it for a guildie

[hollow river]

the last guild i was in only got 4/10 Sanctum

they were a "CE" guild back in Nyalotha

[oak sky]

i wish i was the guy that sold you the boe for 850k ramfam

[viscid spear]

4/10M?

[oak sky]

i would have 950k rn

[hollow river]

they took all boe's for 50% of the gold

[hollow river]

ye

[echo geyser]

i assume ur guild doesnt buy boes for raiders? @oak sky

[hollow river]

but the guild i'm in now got ce last tier and doesn't take anyone's boe's

[oak sky]

LMAO

[viscid spear]

Mine went 10/10H, did it for a couple more weeks to spread AotC to guildies, and took a break until 9.2

[echo geyser]

[viscid spear]

Like M Tarra was even difficult

[jaunty steeple]

[viscid spear]

We didn't even try

[jaunty steeple]

feel like the first couple on mythic were easier than heroic sylvie tho

[oak sky]

@echo geyser its we killed sylv like right before 9.1.5 we're just an average CE guild

[viscid spear]

I didn't get EoN and neither Hunter got the bow OR quiver, we just decided to be satisfied with what we had

[oak sky]

nobody wants me

in their guild

too new to the game

[hollow river]

ehhh you can find a guild man

getting CE even one tier is decent

[viscid spear]

I mean I did get EoN while pugging HC Sylvie, and then got 3/10M after I transferred back to Horde, so definitely not regretting making that choice.

[hollow river]

you just may have to step up the ladder a little slower than you'd like to

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

what US/W rank was your guild for SoD?

[oak sky]

1kish

800 maybe

[echo geyser]

being at halondrus mythic now

[oak sky]

we're doing sausage

[echo geyser]

makes me think i can never do hardcore raiding

[hollow river]

we were like 500US 1300W

and we're going for 150US this tier

or 250

[echo geyser]

i cant imagine doing this boss 300-500 times

[hollow river]

i think

[echo geyser]

for 14hrs in one day

[jaunty steeple]

[hollow river]

lmao

[echo geyser]

1 personal mistake me or anyone else

[hollow river]

been wondering why i don't see Ramfam <Method> yet

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

When did you start

[echo geyser]

3days of raiding is enough

well we did 4 until this last raid tonight

this is 2 or 3rd week of mythic?

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser lihuvim was a shitshow today

[hollow river]

2

[ebon notch]

[hollow river]

until reset, then it's 3

[echo geyser]

u look Different

[ebon notch]

Yeah I capitalised my D

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

9.0 you know that

[hollow river]

just find you a nice ~W500 guild, get a better ranking, then move again next tier

[oak sky]

thats not even worth it

[ebon notch]

Yeah but so did I

[oak sky]

the guild is still gonna be shit

[ebon notch]

What's your excuse??

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

you played wod and shit shut up

[ebon notch]

I didnt raid tho

[hollow river]

but not AS shit

[oak sky]

doesnt matter

[ebon notch]

I did lfg dungeons and random bgs

[granite widget]

lords swarm phase change, Pog

[hollow river]

i mean how do you expect to move up if you wanna move up

you gotta take it as you can

[oak sky]

I just want to be moving up a little further than that

[ebon notch]

I had like no raid history to speak of coming into the expac

[oak sky]

i didnt raid 9.0 tho

[ebon notch]

You just aren't aggressive enough

[oak sky]

didnt understand it that well

like that you needed a guild n shit

[ebon notch]

You could've jumped top 250 if you really wanted to

But we both knew you were comfortable where you were

[oak sky]

realistically

the tier isnt over yer

yet

[grim tangle]

halondrus is fun actually

just chilling with my rogue friend

[viscid spear]

[wicked obsidian]

yellow is that you?

[echo geyser]

mythic?

[grim tangle]

jish?!

[wicked obsidian]

❤️

[odd flax]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[dapper tulip]

Would you say Sin is more beginner friendly, or Outlaw?

[ashen scroll]

sin imo

[granite widget]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[stray mural]

does necro assa still play heirmir in keys or is emeni the play with double legendary

[balmy condor]

heimir or marileth

[soft shale]

emeni has some tech with the first sigil to get 1 more fleshcraft off but still behind i believe

[vestal wren]

emeni does sim good on pure st

but you probably wouldn't play necro on pure st

[oak sky]

fuck emeni

[strange python]

you can't say that to a princess

[normal mist]

What does emeni provide? I swear I have never looked at her soulbinds

[balmy condor]

When you fleshcraft it does damage

And when you sbs it gives Main stat to a couple people

[normal mist]

I see. Thanks.
I still prefer marileth and have 2 mins uptime Kevin and fuck keys bcs Kevin doesn't want to get into my shroud and aggro stuff

Literally disgusting having to manually remove the buff

[gusty adder]

Does anyone remember the swarm timers on lords of dread, and if it will be worth playing dusk now over zold?

[merry pecan]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[jaunty steeple]

with 4p you play Duskwalker for basically everything, right

[vestal wren]

kind of

would still probably play zold on high target aoe

[jaunty steeple]

mostly wondering about Pantheon and Lords

everywhere else I just play sub tbh

[vestal wren]

zold does more in the last phase on pantheon

[jaunty steeple]

[plush umbra]

First swarm is a minute into the fight, and then every 2 minutes afterwards

[vestal wren]

but dusk does more in the 2 target phases

[umbral rapids]

yeah it's like 56 seconds or something

[untold nest]

after the changes assa stonks ** on dreads

[umbral rapids]

try again

[empty hinge]

Stonks?

[vestal wren]

*stonks

[untold nest]

fat fingers 😄

[violet hemlock]

I meant to ask this a while back but never did. Does deathspike allow for 2 sealfate cp?

[mint valve]

is it dusk in lords of dread?

and zold for pantheon?

[violet hemlock]

That sound right assuming u have 4pc

[mint valve]

tyty

[edgy cloak]

Can confirm that i've discovered that yesterday, had a blast doing this fight

[normal mist]

What changes?

[frosty cedar]

Swarm is now 2x dmg not just 2x aoe dmg

so basically cleave sludgefist

[normal mist]

Fucking poggers

Then I'd say we go dusk even at 2/4?

[frosty cedar]

the swarm is every 2mins anyway outside of the first so probably not on 2 but may be wrong for vent. I imagine necro 2 is still zoldyck

[normal mist]

I see, forgot the part where is on a 2 min rotation

[kindred rapids]

This seems to work alright for a pandemic condition

function(states)
local panTime = (UnitPower("player", 4) + 1) * 0.6
if states[2].active then
panTime = panTime / 2
end
return states[1].expirationTime <= GetTime() + panTime
end

for CT for example

using rupture and vendetta as triggers

Anyone do something like that?

Also uses combo points to calculate correct pandemic time

[strange python]

sorry for this dumb question, but what is this Swarm, is it a trinket or so?

[normal mist]

I just use tell me when to track bleeds and when they <5 i refresh

[normal mist]

Boss ability

[strange python]

ah okay, thank you

[normal mist]

They become a literal swarm and just drift around for a while, taking 100% extra dmg

[frosty cedar]

[subtle tundra]

i wish i knew what any of this means
i really need to change my wa to work with 4pc pandemics, i fuck pandemics up from time to time 😦

[hollow escarp]

I think Cev posted a fix a few days ago

#assassination message

[strange silo]

how bad is it if i renew dots like 2-4 sec higher then pandemic windows?

[raven vapor]

does the 4p cut the CT pandemic?

i've updated my wa's for rupture/garrote but not CT yet

[subtle tundra]

cool, thanksies

[hollow escarp]

I tried to do it now and I messed it up

[subtle tundra]

cant try now cause i gotta go and when i come back i have good sub tea so i cant test

[hollow escarp]

need to figure out what's the actual trigger I need to select for remaining duration

this is how I keep my tea if I swap spec, I spam click theotar while changing spec 🙂

[frosty cedar]

what add-on is that for soulbinds poggers

[hollow escarp]

https://wago.io/7V84NWJw5/18

[frosty cedar]

thanks mate

[void needle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[violet hemlock]

I made a wa to yell at me to apply tea if Im theo and dont have one active

[subtle tundra]

the problem is having tea and then losing it by swapping specs

[hollow escarp]

it has a delay when swapping specs so if you spam it, you manage to keep it

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

im pretty sure if you were a different covenant when you last played the spec youre swapping to, you insta lose it

[hollow river]

You spam it when you’re swapping back to the spec that has/had Tea buff?

[hollow escarp]

so right now I'm assa theotar, if I swap to sub it goes to nadjia for some reason, but if I make sure to activate theotar the second I change spec to sub, I still keep the tea buff

[hollow river]

Oh

[hollow escarp]

that weakaura makes it easier since you don't have to keep the soulbind tree open

[final star]

Can probably use the covenant swap weak aura and duplicate for spec

https://wago.io/QVaiNIEam

can probably repurpose it

[hollow escarp]

I use it

set it to sub theotar

but if I'm assa theo, it goes to nadjia

[final star]

So duplicate

Make one load for sub

One load for assa

[hollow escarp]

[final star]

And can probably work around based on gear sets

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[final star]

effort

[hollow escarp]

good key

[umbral rapids]

Yep. Did the same other day

[timid cloud]

Yeah. The mistake there was the LP & WPS, right?

[hollow escarp]

the mistake was playing sub

[timid cloud]

You’re right. Should’ve just played Sin.

That 2p thing with Crab is still living in my head rent-free. I played Sin the rest of the night to see if I got gaslit into thinking my tier set was not working. Or if it actually wasn’t.

[thorn fjord]

Believe and achieve today boiz

GL on your boxes

[pure moth]

How can u tell if 2 set isnt working?

[thorn fjord]

if you equipped a Cov leggo with unity it can break the effect

not sure if they fixed it

[torn atlas]

Is that like, Sin specific, or can any class/spec?

[thorn fjord]

any class

[spice spire]

You too mister die slow

4p inc

[open arrow]

is it worth swapping to necro for lords/pantheon even if I'm only at 40 renown with necro and havent done any chapter of the campaign, whilst I'm 80 renown on venthyr and have done the campaign on it? or would it be better to play sub for lords then and play assa on pantheon?

[frosty cedar]

what's your current tier set? Do you have zoldyck?

[open arrow]

oh ye sorry forgot to mention that xd I have 2 set and yes I have zoldyck at 291 crafted

[frosty cedar]

I'd probably say to stay vent sin for lords, esp with the new lords swarm changes, and I'm not 100% certain on pantheon but Zoldyck necro is probably the play even on 40 renown.. may be wrong though, not sure what your missing off the soulbind at 40

on second thoughts vent at 2 Pc may be fairly dreadful on lords, considering dashing scoundrel has got to be awful on that fight.. might be worth to run necro even at 40 renown honestly @open arrow

[open arrow]

ah cheers 🙂 might have to go and grind that damn campaign then so I can get it to 80 and the soulbinds xd

[frosty cedar]

it's definitely worth it :)

[kind talon]

is this ring good for sin

[spice spire]

Yes