assassination

[steel ridge]

With flag and alacrity we will easily hit 70-80% haste. At those levels CT+Exsang became the play in 8.3, this tier is not that different

[safe sluice]

relog wow..exit battle net. works for me

[tacit leaf]

I have multiple leggos to try

I have tried using different pairing leggos, on multiple specs, and unity on multiple slots

i will try exit battle net

i have not tried that explicitly, i have re launched game and multiple random combinations of shit

[oak pulsar]

am i allowed to share my parses i got in chat here im just really proud and want to share

[hollow river]

not if they are from tonight

[oak pulsar]

kk

[slow marsh]

Kek

[lunar otter]

whats best 2 set talents?

[hollow river]

i'm just kidding

[slow marsh]

The ones that sim the highest

[hollow river]

but tonight everyone is parsing extremely high

[slow marsh]

Probably

[lunar otter]

ye fair

[echo geyser]

@oak pulsar

[hollow river]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

I played like 💩 and got a r1 so

He's not wrong

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

Jokes on JB, I got the 99s as necro

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

With my 38 dps second legendary

Massive

[slow marsh]

Necro is dead for sure in 9.2

[gusty mirage]

For sure dead eh?

Bold statement

[slow marsh]

Oh mb I got stuck in a time loop I thought we were in December

[gusty mirage]

Was that before or after the 4pc started working with sbs?

[slow marsh]

On the real tho Necro with dspike is what I like to call -fun-

[gusty mirage]

[tulip helm]

is it possible to envenom in the flag+vendetta window? or am i just resetting dots

[slow marsh]

Dots and envenom as filler / keep snd up

[tulip helm]

alright, cause these dots go FAST

[slow marsh]

Necro got big stonks with the sbs working with 4p and the dspike bug fixes. Idk if many people expected them to do that in their defense

[tulip helm]

everytime i envenom one of them goes down

feels better than NF tho so I'll take it

[gusty mirage]

Deathspike hit one of the rooted adds on lithium and our spriest had to kite it for the last 15% of the boss

[subtle tundra]

"bad rng"

What can you do

[slow marsh]

Was totally worth it though be honest

[gusty mirage]

The cleave range on it makes no sense

But I ain’t complaining

[slow marsh]

I get so many sbs refunds I don't even know when I should dump them

Cuz already sitting on 3mins of Kevin

[gusty mirage]

I think for anduin intermission I was sbs into finisher

Like the entire time

[slow marsh]

Yeah I was leaning into more of that logic too. I only played it for guardian meme and trash before swapping but yeah

Just replacing fok with sbs as a builder seems real nice

[echo geyser]

yeah at least it always gives a set amount of cp

apart from the first one

is that still a thing?

[slow marsh]

Yeah and it just does damage

[echo geyser]

1-2cp first sbs

[slow marsh]

Yeah 1st sbs is 1/2ifcrit

[gusty mirage]

It’s supposed to be 2

[slow marsh]

On first cast?

[gusty mirage]

3 if it crits

Yes

Play around with it

[slow marsh]

I'm going to. I didn't get time to mess with it much

[gusty mirage]

It’s supposed to count the first spike and generate 1 cp

So 2

But sometimes it doesn’t register the active bonespike

And just gives you 1

Or maybe the tooltip just sucks

[slow marsh]

Most do

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/42A2aQ4LHgspDDLGSo28Ec

this is the most i can get before EU vault

and NA gamers got something higher?

maybe a rygelon dagger? 👀

[echo geyser]

theo sims higher probably

also idk if venthyr needs gear to beat nf

278 dagger would be a good start tho

and 278 conduits

[slow marsh]

It doesn't

Let me shut you down rq

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uNQwgvFfV8UkB42ZKLQdHS

And I haven't upgraded phial yet

[echo geyser]

must be nice to have 4p on not head

[slow marsh]

Honestly I was sad I didn't get it on andy

But I guess it was calculated

[glass tulip]

#assassination message
this was a guy earlier

[echo geyser]

das a sub rogue

[slow marsh]

That's sub bro they cheatin

[glass tulip]

kek

it was in this channel so I didnt look

heroic rygelon is my last chance for 4p this week, so in 24 hours I will be real happy or real sad

[gusty mirage]

Plot twist, you see how much lower you sim than other classes with 4pc and double leggo and you’re still sad either way

[slow marsh]

^

[wispy chasm]

is there a list of all class sims out yet?

[slow marsh]

You'll just get out damaged by a DH spamming eyebeam, annihilate, annihilate, demon bite, annihilate, eyebeam, eyebeam, eyebeam

[valid marsh]

Is the assassination wowanalyzer close enough since the March 6th update to be mostly ok for things now, or is it potentially misleading?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't trust anything wowanalyzer

[grim tangle]

don't look at enhance shaman sims

[balmy condor]

that shit hasn't worked properly since like uldir

[fleet anchor]

I mean I don't really think Rogues should be getting beat by DHs most of the time 😛

[gusty mirage]

Our DH got like 2k dps from his 2nd leggo

I barely got 2k from 4pc

[slow marsh]

Ye today was a good day for dh. It'll be fine later but it was such a huge jump

[fleet anchor]

Yeah but DH gets like literal garbage crap from their set bonus so

[gusty mirage]

It’s cool I get to hang out with Kevin

Just me and my little ooze friend

[slow marsh]

Tru @both

[carmine dawn]

hi its me kevin'

[slow marsh]

DH double leggo is their 4p

[carmine dawn]

[gusty mirage]

your name is Jake

[slow marsh]

And like you're not even from state farm

[gusty mirage]

I thought I’d had the exsanguinate effect more than I actually do

4pc kinda nice

[slow marsh]

Doing damage is kinda nice yeah

[carmine dawn]

so should i make dusk

is the hype real

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[carmine dawn]

im back form bars ready to spend 150k

on that fuckin ring

[gusty mirage]

And thanks to my +38 dps double legendary I’ll never forget to refresh my rupture right before vendetta ends

[slow marsh]

Just buy the mats and get it crafted

[gusty mirage]

Kevin will help me 🙂

[slow marsh]

I want to unlock this newfound venthyr power bro

[gusty mirage]

I don’t

[slow marsh]

Ik

[gusty mirage]

I’m actually enjoying my rotation rn

[slow marsh]

You are content

[gusty mirage]

Don’t put me back in that garbage mfd prison

[slow marsh]

I'm a sith Lord

I need more

[gusty mirage]

Play sub

[slow marsh]

Na

[gusty mirage]

Okay then, try survival hunter

[slow marsh]

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

You know I have one

[ebon notch]

WTF are you guys even talking about

[carmine dawn]

fuck it i bought em both @echo geyser

ive spent 500k this week fml

[slow marsh]

Better dig some up

[carmine dawn]

gotta start advertising keys i gues

[soft shale]

basically haste is good more haste more gooder vers also helps

so venth> NF

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[soft shale]

now i wonder if that shakes 2 target too

[slow marsh]

And loading up on haste before pressing the button that locks and doubles tick rate is even more gooder

[manic pebble]

do we hold vend, shiv to wait for flag cd to line up every time or just hit them on the go? with 4 pcs as venth

[oak sky]

Its still just necro

[slow marsh]

Yes hold vend no hold shiv

[manic pebble]

I see

[slow marsh]

As long as you get a full shiv inside vend then it's fine and it generally lines up nicely if you just shiv on cd

[carmine dawn]

is nightly updated with recent changes?

[slow marsh]

Yes tho iirc there's a couple minor things not added yet?

[carmine dawn]

but sims are looking juicy?

[slow marsh]

Yes Sims should show venth over NF with the haste snap thingy Koji worked on

[fleet anchor]

Most of the stuff has been in for a few days, just flying under the radar

Has taken a while to re-check everything

[craggy oak]

How did you actually go about finding this koji

[slow marsh]

The other stuff is more Cev fine tuning the bis profile with gear stuff

[carmine dawn]

snapshotting bleeds has always been a thing for sin

like not always a thing

but always an idea

to check

[balmy condor]

not like this

[slow marsh]

It's just because blizz coding

[carmine dawn]

yo cutie

[fleet anchor]

Looking at logs and being sad

[carmine dawn]

oxi went to bed can you run a topgear for me

[slow marsh]

How many days until you accept this one if ever?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[carmine dawn]

thanks. i havent touched sin since sod its a doozy

[manic pebble]

I just tried it, that went smoother than I thought!

[fleet anchor]

I also wrote a custom log parser to do this for me

🤣

[craggy oak]

Its honest work

[zinc frost]

Meanwhile Whispyr malding over MFD staying in for another tier

[slow marsh]

Ye the lineups are actually nice once you come to terms with flag not being 1 min flat

[agile geode]

So, how much is the dps increase since this discover?

[manic pebble]

and one more question, I still can't get my timing right with vanish, not the opener one

[slow marsh]

Like puts sins profile within 40 dps of sub's with less variance

[manic pebble]

do you hold vanish and do the same as opener as well?

[craggy oak]

What im interested in, is if there is anycase where max buffed snapshoted bleed should be overwritten with a weeker one, based on time/ticks left, if these buffs will run out after mas buffed bleed, but before bleeds run out.

[slow marsh]

Vanish you hold until you're inside of vend and have shiv up. Preferably during flag but sometimes it just doesn't line up

[slow marsh]

I mean it would depend on the remaining duration of said bleed I think

I imagine it's almost always more worth to reapply gar rupture in the final 2-3s of vend

But your max snapshotted haste bleed should almost always be the final one anyways I think

Flag is 24s, haste trinkets are 20-25s, lust is 30s

[craggy oak]

Ye, but lets say those bleeds have been refreshed, then u have euphira and elac active, usually we let those bleeds run out before reaply so we get the best bleeds for longest duration, but if you let them run out, in this example, then the before mentioned euphoria and alac buff will have faded, is it worth overwriting the last part of the vend bleeds is my question

Pretty niche i know, but interesting to know

[slow marsh]

Well for starters Theo with haste tea is still better than nadj. But yes if using nadj tracking thrill would be relevant

But as far as over-riding a recently applied bleed inside of vend in favor of a big burst of haste like thrill would be more of a Koji question

At least as far as I think you're asking

[slender berry]

Yea there's no way to tell with feelcraft gotta sim it

[slow marsh]

I think thrill would be the only thing that would be in question because everything else you'd use after flag before vendetta, and even with thrill it'd be better to wait a few seconds to line it up I think so, while interesting I can't think of any practical use-cases

[solid venture]

guess we goin daggy

[balmy condor]

guess so

[rugged blaze]

2set double leggo, should i go for duskwalker already for impending 4set (got 3 pieces atm)

[balmy condor]

sure

[solid mica]

am I to hear that venth sin could be within ~40 dps of kyr sub profile?

[vestal wren]

possible

[solid mica]

[oak sky]

yeah top sin profile was 17k ish

that i saw

[vestal wren]

sub is at 17k yes

[dim tide]

hmm, Cache or Sack, sims says Sack is better for around 120 dps...

[rancid nimbus]

How are we comparing to other classes? Fury and demo are looking insane?!

[umbral rapids]

?!

[rancid nimbus]

Well i am getting destroyed in keys by fury and demo :D
Overall and on bosses.

[oak sky]

fury got nerfed

also m+ is very different

[formal sorrel]

Omg I hope you picked cache

[vestal wren]

specs around 17k+

[umbral rapids]

that says nothing about what's happening in m+

fury is excellent

ww is good

mm is insane

[vestal wren]

sub is good in m+ 😉

[maiden raptor]

worth rolling duskwalkers as the second lego? considering I don't have access to most legos like dashing f/e

[vestal wren]

if you have 4p for sure

[maiden raptor]

that's the thing I don't

[umbral rapids]

sure that wasn't my point tho

[vestal wren]

i know, but i like to compare rogue as a class in m+ not individual specs

e.g. rogue was good in bfa m+ due to outlaw

[umbral rapids]

ok

fair enough

[zinc frost]

Deathspike in pantheon is wildin, spikes going everywhere

[unreal kayak]

with 4 set is it dusk or zoldyck for panth and lords

[polar timber]

so i tried this new build in raid and it was pretty fun ngl

was cool just bleeding shit

[misty holly]

SBS did 18% of my damage on Pantheon tonight

I'm sure I could have done better with it too.

15% on Lihuvium

Next week need to play night fae and see how Sepsis is comparing.

[halcyon flame]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Vers > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.

[scenic kelp]

hey team, so CT is simming slightly better. is it the go to for 37 dps or am i still running PB?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bMUUnj3S2gfVYWa3fLNsUe

[oak sky]

ct gud

[halcyon flame]

More haste is making CT better right ?

like on bfa

[oak sky]

uh

its like a whole thing with flag

some details in the pins

[misty holly]

I simmed CT or PB as necrolord and PB still pulled ahead in single target

so I think it's just a venthyr cheese thing.

[oak sky]

yeah its a venthyr thing

again, in the pins

dusk should be only with 4p btw

[scenic kelp]

and without 4P?

[oak sky]

doomblade or dashing without

+unity

[scenic kelp]

ty

[gusty adder]

I came to ask the same question.. how/why CT and MA simmed higher than subterfuge and Poison Bomb. Venthyr doesnt sim higher either - contrary to pins
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vjU3tXQ8gn6nnTfKeSSWoW

[gusty adder]

CT and MA sims higher for me even when NF

.. Or did I do something silly in the sim=?

[oak sky]

not sure

but afaik venthyr with the same setup should sim higher, not sure if you checked that as well

[gusty adder]

Its in the Sim - about 89 dps lower than NF

[oak sky]

wow ur lucky to have 5 tier pieces

but anyways

not sure

[gusty adder]

Only have 4 tho - head is dublicate

[oak sky]

could try simming nightly

oh duh didnt see your chest isnt tier

[gusty adder]

running it - sec

[wide hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7DMxhwbvSUQFG69mWjB1bn my droptimizer looks really sad 😦

[oak sky]

mines almost exactly the same

[wide hawk]

I got tier in my vault for the first time this week, but it's a slot I already have

such a lame system

[solid venture]

u guys are getting tier?

[red plaza]

Sucks now for sure, but it’ll be fine once the tier gear maker comes out in a few weeks

[wide hawk]

well...it wont be relevant anymore

only useful for alts

[analog glade]

!unity

[prisma monolith]

All slots are close in output.
The best non tier slots across all specs are Belt or Wrists.
The best possible slot is likely Hands, Legs or Head.
Use a simulation to evaluate for your gear situation.

[gusty adder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7qsPDqx9zMAgnL8zLddmUR

[misty holly]

Nah, it will be very useful for getting higher ilevel pieces at least

[red plaza]

Yeah I guess if you’re killing mythic jailer in 3 weeks it won’t be

[gusty adder]

This is nightly - same result - with Vent being around 100 dps lower, and CT / MA highest

[oak sky]

Huh

[gusty adder]

.. actually CT is highest, MA is 2 dps lower than Subterfuge

[oak sky]

I'm stumped, cev or someone with better knowledge of the new stuff might be able to help you better

Koji or whispyr maybe

[gusty adder]

Yeaa - Well Ill trust the sims for now, and stay NF, I was just so confused, considering all the pins and faq's - which is why I wrote here. Especially because my stats and stuff shouldnt be too much off

[obtuse robin]

how do i get drop to sim for sets

[wide hawk]

I manually add the tier items to my 'bags' and run top gear first, it's quite a sad process.

[oak sky]

Can also use gear compare i guess

Little less scuffed

[obtuse robin]

isnt that his sim with dropi showing tier bonus or am i bugging

oh i see

[gusty adder]

Also - do we still run Zold on Guardian and Prototype after 4p =?

[onyx raptor]

anyone happen to know if we can use 2 legendary rings?

[wide hawk]

sure you can

[onyx raptor]

cheers

[gusty adder]

@limber lion Will be very interested to hear your take on this - if you get the chance 🙂

[woeful wigeon]

its still wrist right

[halcyon flame]

Guys any of you played assa in 2s ? with set and 2xleggo ?

[gusty adder]

Played a fair bit with 4p (no 2x leggo yet tho, as im EU)

[halcyon flame]

How it is ? or sub is still a lot more dam ?

[gusty adder]

Assa burst with NF is absolutely insane - recon only reason assa isnt higher on the tierlist is cause of all the survival hunters 🙂

[gusty adder]

And to answer the question - I believe assa burst and Sub burst is about the same, and with the CDR on vendetta you have it about every 3rd go

[woeful wigeon]

still ring+wrist right

[gusty adder]

Sepsis alone did around 45-50k over 5 sec during burst with vendetta and shiv up

You dont do same amount of "mini"-burst without CD's as a subrogue with symbols and shadowdance (no shadow blades), but you have alot more constant pressure

But for those goes you have a healer-friend to burst and the bomb-trinket to bait enemy trinkets - setting up for 2nd vendetta kill about 1 minute in

[halcyon flame]

Ok love this already

[oak sky]

Think its unique equipped doubt

[oak sky]

Sim to make sure at least for pantheon, but probably

[gusty adder]

and silly question - how do I sim specifically for pantheon?

[icy pebble]

hi guys, do you sim stat weights or use pawn at all? asking out of curiosity

[oak sky]

Cev had some special sim that did part 2t part 4t but honestly i would go for 4t 50% or something like that

Since 4t is the most important part anyways

[oak sky]

Nah top gear on raidbots is the way to go for most stuff

[strange silo]

i guess the neck is the only viable thing? around 75dps increase pog or maybe just go for another 6 token?

[novel arrow]

I hate looking at other peoples vaults.

They always got better loot than me

-_-

[drifting cloud]

then dont

[trail mica]

I hate looking at my vault... Not a single tier piece, 7 slots since day one...

[rotund oak]

ive got 278 crit/haste boots cant rly cry

although still sitting on 2p

[hollow escarp]

Vanquished Usurper's Footpads?

[rotund oak]

im raiding so tier piece will come,one way or another

[rotund oak]

yeah

[pliant nest]

the pins say to craft unity on belt, but wouldnt it be better on helmet if i have 4p without it?

[hollow escarp]

same, but it was the best option

[rotund oak]

same,it was the best option

had a 262 crit haste boots,still an upgrade

minimal but better than nothing i guess

[hollow escarp]

until you get full bis, probably not worth crafting helm

since you might get a big ilvl helm tier piece

wrist gang?

[oak sky]

Made mine too

[pliant nest]

alright thanks

[rotund oak]

how much haste have u got(unbuffed)

[oak sky]

Whatever the sim tells me

Think it was like 27% with haste tea or smth

[halcyon flame]

Damn ,I have like 30%

[rotund oak]

ive got like 30 and 38 crit was thinking to shift a bit to

crit or mastery

[oak sky]

I dont have 4p yet so my sim might be different

[rotund oak]

me neither

[oak sky]

And available gear is different etc

[novel arrow]

Ugh

I hate this raid tier.

All I wanna do is play assa. But sub is just better overall atm.

Being forced to play sub sucks butt.

[solid venture]

[halcyon flame]

In legion I wanted to play sub

but assa was better

:))

[novel arrow]

I really really wanna just Sepsis and chill.

[halcyon flame]

To be fair ,sub in bfa was not even an option for pve

[novel arrow]

But then adds roll around on anduin... and I"m like... well.... I can't do anything 😛

Yeah.

Hitting Anima charged combo points just isn't giving me life.

But Assa atm does not alot of dmg.

[halcyon flame]

Might get better in the next weeks

some changes will come

[novel arrow]

I mean, nothing can change holundrus right? And adds on anduin, and adds on Lihuvum.

Assa just can't compete on that aoe realm

[gusty adder]

Can anyone link me a simc-string for unity-wrists with gem?

[mystic gate]

ayo 2 n 4 target dashing or zoldyck ?

[novel arrow]

Zol

Especially on pantheon

[mystic gate]

hmm vigor or deeper ?

with 2p

[limber lion]

Deeper as Necro everywhere

[halcyon flame]

No chance on that ,maybe with 300% haste like on bfa 8.3 sure

[novel arrow]

:S

[clear finch]

trying out Necro SIN after only ever playing Venth SIN.... do you use SBS as a CP builder when no other targets are up to throw a spike onto?

[hollow escarp]

`# Unity (291)

wrist=,id=172321,gem_id=173128,bonus_id=8127/7882/8156/6647/6650/1588/6935`

[gusty adder]

perfect, thanks alot

[rotund oak]

Venthyr boys?No more cringefae?This is a good day ❤️

[heavy forge]

kinda tired of venthyr tbh

be it as Sin or Sub, was nice to have some changes

[trail mica]

Fore some odd reason im enjoying my necrolord sin

[hollow escarp]

necro sin is fun

[trail mica]

the sound of SBS is juicy

[soft merlin]

any plater god that can help me get the inspiring debuff on enemy nameplate

[rotund oak]

necro is solid yeah

for pure ST venth excels though

[rugged blaze]

So necro for pantheon maybe? Been thinking about what to pump the renown from weekly and campaign into (all but Venthyr are 65ish)

[limber lion]

You play Necro on most bosses

[vestal zodiac]

Are we still playing duskwalkers with 4p, or is it different now

[native belfry]

toxic onslaught dream

[rotund oak]

necro dust or necro zoldyck?: P

or necro zoldyck is focused only for pantheon and lords

and guardian

[vestal wren]

i think you will play venthyr in st, necro in not st

so in a similar situation to subtlety with kyrian sk, venthyr else

[rotund oak]

we are forced to play sub pretty much everywhere dear fuu

[hollow escarp]

ehh

14,044 dps assa vs 14,244 sub

[vestal zodiac]

Well the venthyr optimization would mean we're above sub on pure st no? If it's 300 dps gain

[rotund oak]

no lol

doubt sub is generally comparable to any rogue specc about anything

[native belfry]

sub is worse than sin on progression just because sin is more forgiving

u're never gettin ur sim dps as a sub in raid

[rotund oak]

true

[native belfry]

1 missed SoD - ur dps is in the trashbin

[hollow escarp]

might be the same with the new assa venthyr build, since dropping bleeds is bad

[clear finch]

coming out of stealth i noticed most guides say to MUT. Why not Ambush?

[rotund oak]

was thinking about the same thing since ive read the notes

[hollow escarp]

combo points generation

[clear finch]

mmm gotcha

[hollow escarp]

but with subt I think we ambush iirc

in st

[vestal zodiac]

why wouldnt you garrote

[hollow escarp]

you only garrote once

[clear finch]

just ran a 15 PF as sin to snag the 265 SBS conduit, felt good.

[vestal zodiac]

need to do this actually, smart idea

[sonic schooner]

I wanna share to you that i ve got 3 weeks in a row 1 tierset piece on my vault, always the same one

[alpine radish]

Need to run a mists for the 265 fae conduit still

Got all the cov ones

Got a 278 haste vers belt with socket tempted to put unity in bracers for now with crit vers still no tier dropping

252 legs in there too but wanna do a raid before i loot the vault

Problem is there is crit haste belt in taza now so not sure what i wanna do there 😂

[clear finch]

With the current state of discovery we may not be going Fae after all.

[alpine radish]

So we are stuck in venth yet again

[clear finch]

Check the pins for more

Venth for pure ST and Necro for everything else.

[limber lion]

we sim the same

[alpine radish]

Same as before then

[limber lion]

Zoldyck only on Pantheon and first boss, dusk everywhere else

[alpine radish]

Tbh dont mind venth now we got another lego to play with obedience

My problem with venth is obe is so fucking boring

[hollow escarp]

now we can always sync flag and vendetta 🙂

[alpine radish]

True

[clear finch]

Honestly I'm not gonna multi faction. I don't mythic raid so I'll go necro Sin for the raid and call it a day.

Venth Sub for keys and Necro Sin for raid.

[keen aurora]

This is what I do. Only an AOTC guild, has been fine so far

[alpine radish]

Ill read pins anyway been useful to see there is a change in how thinfs actually work

So dashing with unity now until 4pc then dusk still after that

Sounds about right

[hollow escarp]

you should sim tbf

[keen aurora]

Got my 4-piece in vault yesterday and super pumped I no longer need to switch fae for it

[alpine radish]

Sim anyway and dashing was ahead

Even ahead of obe before unity

Crits nearly 40% and 24% haste might be the reason

By like 20 dps mind

[plucky oyster]

Guys does the additional bone spike from the covenant lego prioritize targets that do not have the DoT or is it completely random?

[vestal zodiac]

Probably a dumb question but does the vendetta hasted bleed apply to vicious wounds from cache?

[hollow escarp]

no, vendetta only empowers our abilities

[open arrow]

so with only 2pc and unity you'd go dashing right? it's only with 4pc you go dusk

[clear finch]

That's what the ol Whispyr says so that's what I did.

People way smarter than me

[rapid forum]

Man, I hate CT on st

[brazen zodiac]

CT st based wym

do twirls mid fight and do more damage pog

[normal mist]

Question about ilevel in tier pieces: should i just pick high ilevel main pieces from vault worth no tier so I can later forge them into tier or just grab 252 from vault?

[hollow river]

If the 252 item is a tier piece you need then grab it

If you don’t need anything and there’s 278 gear on a tier set slot take it to prep for crafting

[normal mist]

I'm 1/4, 2/4 if i grab pants from vault

But will wait till tonight to kill halondrus

[hollow river]

Then grab pants imo

Because then you can also trade guildies pants if they need them

[normal mist]

Yes but, being a bit selfish here, i got other good loots in the vault xD

[hollow river]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide hawk]

I hope loot karma is a thing, I went LFR with my fellow guild rogue today and traded him the hand token, which I already had.

[hollow river]

If there’s people on your token that need legs

You prio the tier

[hollow escarp]

having more people with tier sets in guild is better than a slight upgrade

[hollow river]

Unless you have some shit like 278 phial or dagger in vault

[hollow escarp]

bosses die so much faster if everybody has dps

[hollow river]

^^^^

[hollow escarp]

Halondrus hc without reclaim is fun

[hollow river]

We mowed down all of heroic last night

My timers were so fucked my head was spinning

[hollow river]

[normal mist]

I can't even clear anduin normal with my guild for now

Meanwhile my lucky bastard brother got tier shoulders 275 and phial 275 and doesn't know what to pick xD

He has no tier pieces for now

[hollow river]

I’m hard stuck 3 piece gaming right now

Second 278 Sack in vault yesterday

[normal mist]

Should we really care a lot about tier ilvl if we have none or dropping like 15/20 ilevel for a tier piece worth? (If we get 2 or 4th bonus)

[hollow river]

Yes it’s worth

It’s beyond worth

[wide hawk]

completing the 4p set would give me around 1800 dps according to the sim, so definitely worth it

[normal mist]

Thank you

[winter gale]

May I ask I supose million time asked question…is assassination with 4piece+2leggo on par with subtletly?

I love the spec way more than sub but I want to play whats usually more optimal. If they are close one to eachother then I will stick to assassination.

[bleak sky]

if you're not hof then just play whatever feels more fun and not hard inting

that being said, sin is within margin of error of sub now

thanks to koji and cev finding new stuff

[winter gale]

Great

[ripe gulch]

And in some fights sin is better

Like pantheon

[bleak sky]

ehhh idk

[winter gale]

Yes, that part I know. Its leggo time so I need to chose where to invest 1st 😂

[ripe gulch]

Ye tbh the 4 piece might make it decent for pantheon

But still sin should be better

[gusty adder]

still cant wrap my head around this honestly - is it visible in nightly sims yet, or pure theorycraft?

[indigo mulch]

What new stuff?

[ripe gulch]

Pin

[gusty adder]

in other words: should I trust sims or pins?

[bleak sky]

#assassination message

[ripe gulch]

Ofc you should trust sims

The damage for every spec with double lego and 4 piece has been determined by sims

[bleak sky]

Cev wouldn't "find something better" without sims to back it up

[gusty adder]

Well sure - could be that sims wasnt updated with new tech

[ripe gulch]

You are comparing a new sim with venthyr with the old night fae one

Yeah it's updated with the snapshot

[gusty adder]

well ye, my point just being, that with 4p and double leggo, vent sims 100 lower than NF

[bleak sky]

and I'm unsure if they have pushed APL changes

[gusty adder]

So was unsure whether sims were updated or my gear just favours nf

[bleak sky]

so this tech might not be reflecting in current sims

[gusty adder]

this is what I meant, when I asked whether to trust sims or pins :b

[ripe gulch]

But with the snapshot mechanic coded in it sims 300 higher

Ceverion said it

I would trust him :)

[gusty adder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7qsPDqx9zMAgnL8zLddmUR

doesnt here tho

[ripe gulch]

from what i understood

he coded it in

that sim doesnt account for snapshotting

[gusty adder]

ahhhh, now I understand what you mean

fair enough - so its not updated in the nightly sims, but in an advanced sim Ceverion did

Missed that I guess, thanks.

[ripe gulch]

yes ^^

im scared to open my vault

[gusty adder]

in that case I wont trust sims 😄

[misty holly]

sims are overrated. Stat weights are where it's at.

[bleak spoke]

@limber lion https://i.imgur.com/FWrUcvF.png i had a whole extra leggo and a perfect kill time and it was still only slightly more

[ripe gulch]

LETS GO

[hollow river]

[ripe gulch]

3 piece now

[bleak spoke]

[hollow river]

You are now cursed to roam Plaguefall for the rest of your days

[bleak spoke]

man i'm like teh last person in my guild who hasn't gotten their plaguefall drop and everyone is sick of running it now

[vital cipher]

hey guys so which legendary do u guys use with unity in raid?

[ripe gulch]

damn

cev big pump

[bleak spoke]

cev is

[zinc frost]

It’s in the pins and #assassination-faq

[fast nacelle]

is there any way to add power infusion linked to vendetta?

(in raidbots)

[arctic venture]

I still dont get it why should we use CT in single target rotation

[hollow escarp]

it does more damage

[arctic venture]

using 2 pcs set. 4 pcs set or none?

[pearl ingot]

we all should trust ceverion!

[hollow river]

4p

[arctic venture]

Ah ok.

im 2pcs at moment, going to keep poison bomb.

[normal mist]

2 leg 2/4 piece we now use dusk or just at 4/4?

[spice spire]

4/4; however, with venthyr some have dusk sim higher

With double leggo

So imma just say sim it

Also 3 phial drops in 3 runs. After I used all my valor to level up my 249 phial from week one

[arctic venture]

Im venthyr and blood still better than dusk.

Im 2 pcs.

[spice spire]

We had someone last night with a higher dusk sim at 2pc

Wild stuff

[bleak sky]

that's why quake said "some"

[spice spire]

GM mister minalba, or gn. I’m never sure with your schedule

[brazen zodiac]

really now? maybe i should sim with it

hi quake

minal!!!!

[spice spire]

Hi

[bleak sky]

gm king ❤️

10 am here

sup sup vita

[spice spire]

10 am means nothing when you’re gaming tho

[brazen zodiac]

tried necro in a key last night that was super fun

[bleak sky]

oh I think I reset my sleep schedule

[brazen zodiac]

hard to manage tho

[spice spire]

Yo Necro legendary feels real good

[brazen zodiac]

yeah that shit pog wtf 5 charges plus it strikes two

[normal mist]

Man I have to recraft zoldyck, feels bad

[brazen zodiac]

thats based

[spice spire]

Inting keys and still popping timers

Still gotta beat the destro menace

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[normal mist]

Are we beating destros st in raid?

Bcs I wanna poop on my rl

[bleak sky]

who's playing destro

[brazen zodiac]

i parsed like a 98 on like all of the st bosses accidently using zold

i cant wait to see who troll copies

[spice spire]

Yes dear god yes

[winter gale]

Mfd + CT for single target?

[spice spire]

With venthyr, and 4pc yes

[normal mist]

GOOD, bcs we've been pushing eachother a lot and i wanna tell him goodbye on the recount

[winter gale]

Ok ok

[normal mist]

😘

[spice spire]

PI’d demo is the terrorist of raid

[lunar otter]

hey does sbs work with the new 2set?

[bleak sky]

yes

[lunar otter]

hotsauce

[brazen zodiac]

minal help i cant stop laughing

[bleak sky]

what happened

[brazen zodiac]

i took zold on skolex by accident and im just the only person with it on warcraftlogs

looks so stupid lmfao

[bleak sky]

maybe people will think it's hidden tech

[brazen zodiac]

yeah maybe

[wild beacon]

Just got my first 95 parse ever, super hyped and had to share

[brazen zodiac]

slay

[spice spire]

4p today, no cope

[bleak sky]

I hope we get 4p quake

[ripe gulch]

yes.

[bleak sky]

killed n ryg but no tier

haven't managed to pug N anduin yet

[spice spire]

I’m doing all 5 normal tier today.
And hopefully we’ll do lihuvim + halondrus Monday

Hero

[sonic schooner]

Dont forget LFR

[bleak sky]

I'd take lfr but no good bosses

I just want to be able to play my class

[wooden kiln]

Do you guys know how close is theotar from nadjia in pure patchwerk boss? Sims tell me theotar is better but I guess it depends on the tea I get?

[spice spire]

Yes

You can sim tea by tea , and those lines are in the FAQ

[spice spire]

Buddy I already got the lihuvim gloves in lfr (2nd vault take btw)

Full 278 line? Nah gimme the 239s

[wooden kiln]

@spice spire I'll check that asap, thanks 🙂

[hollow river]

Too bad yor a worryer

[spice spire]

Don’t say that

She’s also a 2p enjoyer

[hollow river]

[muted ivy]

the Zenith tier token is so cursed

the other rogue in my guild has only gotten 1 tier piece and it was from lfr....

[hollow river]

I think all of my guild has 3p or 4p

And only a handful of 3p left. Including me

[bleak sky]

other rogue has 5p

dumbass didn't wait until heroic was over to activate his tier token

we could both be at 4p but noooooooo

[hollow river]

Sadge master cringe

[arctic venture]

for m+, premeditation and nightstalker are simc better to me, show I use it?

[bleak sky]

wrong channel

[arctic venture]

Or its something with SIMC ?

Ops sorr

[scenic kelp]

what should i run in m+? 2p double legy and cov?

[bleak sky]

zoldycks most likely

[muted ivy]

look in the faq, but ya zold + necro is pretty strong

[brazen zodiac]

zold necro for sure seems pretty pog

[subtle tundra]

calling any assa m+ setup pog is an exaggeration

[shut coral]

4p is cracked, not gonna lie, got me some nice Parses in our guild's N trials run :\

i wish they did H thou 😦

[subtle tundra]

rember, you are comparing you dps now to mostly no double leggo

[shut coral]

true.

[muted ivy]

i got 4pc of N lords of dread and the only boss we had left for the night was N Jailer

and then i forgor to actually save equipment set

[hollow river]

Any parses gotten early this week are kind of a lie

[spice spire]

But we got double leggo yesterday

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Not everyone is EU varas

[subtle tundra]

my statement is still true

though

xd

[muted ivy]

it's still mostly comparing to single lego

[spice spire]

Oh I thought this was m+ speak

[subtle tundra]

3 weeks of logs compared to 1 day

[muted ivy]

they didn't partition logs or anything

[spice spire]

Yeah parsing is a lie

It’s still early

[hollow river]

The power jumps this season make logs and parses very deceiving

[muted ivy]

parsing is a lie except for when i get a r1 and then it's the truth

[bleak sky]

yes, varas, embrace the hatred

[subtle tundra]

i got r1 and there was 1 other parse

[bleak sky]

it makes you stronger

[subtle tundra]

the truth cant hurt me

most of the good m+ classes should do 20k+ overalls rn

[bleak sky]

prob

[subtle tundra]

assa probably cant even with full pad shit

[hollow river]

In overall? Definitely not

Rogue sucks

[subtle tundra]

assa and outlaw*

[hollow river]

Nah

All of em

[subtle tundra]

sub is ok

on overall meters

not omega good

youll have eles, mms, warlocks,fires and whatever else just destroy

[muted ivy]

god i wish sub legos weren't dog shit

[subtle tundra]

god i wish assa aoe was somewhat doing dmg

atleast a bit

[hollow river]

Yeah assa aoe rotation is way too engaging to be shitty dps

[bleak sky]

40% more damage with ct on shiv

[hollow river]

It’s sad

[subtle tundra]

40% of very little is not much

[spice spire]

It’s an aoe CD I promise

[onyx raptor]

If 4 set exanguinated aoe that would've been cool imo

[muted ivy]

takes too long

[subtle tundra]

would've been total dogshit

cause you wouldnt be able to dot

enough

[hollow river]

Yeah make Vendetta a player buff instead of ST debuff

Also true

[muted ivy]

CT spam

[onyx raptor]

Yeah fair enough

[subtle tundra]

i already struggle with vendetta on 1 target in aoe

to keep up dots correctly

[hollow river]

Yeah it would’ve been nice before they made tier set tho

[unborn oasis]

So i got a IQD in vault. Is it a good trink to go for with this awful new venth setup?

[subtle tundra]

i think its in the bis setup

[unborn oasis]

aight

[subtle tundra]

but,again, its iqd

so inconsistency is its name

[unborn oasis]

yes i fucking hate it 😛

[subtle tundra]

i'd rather play sigil

[lean fossil]

so the trinket off skolex, does it gain stacks faster when we pop vendetta with 4 piece?

[hollow river]

I got heroic Sigil last night and it seems underwhelming tbh

[subtle tundra]

probably, i think its gonna be a trinket for prog where you use it to get good burst at specified moments and on bosses with good kill timers

its really good on pantheon, skoles, rygelon off the top of my head

or atleast seems good in my mind

[lean fossil]

i guess i dont know how it works

do the stacks grow on the player or the target?

i just know at 100 it does dmg lol

[bleak sky]

skolex trinket is shit

[muted ivy]

pretty sure they nerfed it by adding a icd on the proc rate

which made it super poop

[lean fossil]

i got the mythic one last night :(

[bleak sky]

unlucky

still bad

but sim it who knows maybe it's better than whatever you have

[lean fossil]

simmed higher than my faulty countermeasure

by like 90 dps

[subtle tundra]

yea, cause of ilvl

kek

[lean fossil]

but that could be from the agility hah

[bleak sky]

yep

[lean fossil]

stat stick here i go

[gaunt halo]

Everyone excited for vault of the wardens spam again next week?

[muted ivy]

oh lordy

CoS runs

[subtle tundra]

nah, not doing votw

[gaunt halo]

Valor cap aswell. So ideally you don't even wanna spam +2 this time

[subtle tundra]

it was bis last tier bcs of frost set

[gaunt halo]

Fair. Not sure how good it is this time around

[subtle tundra]

still really good, just not by 100 dps good

so im not even considering doing votw

[gusty mirage]

I’ll do one

If it drops it drops

If it doesn’t oh well

[whole bay]

should i refresh my blead before flagellation ends and vendetta? is it still hasted if the buff isnt active?

[keen aurora]

I know the bleeds are snapshotted during vendetta, so with 4pc you should definitely refresh. Unsure about flag as I play necro

[gaunt halo]

The haste/vers from flagellation does not snapshot. So no point in refreshing bleeds there. Neither does the damage bonus from vendetta. The only thing that snapshots is the 4pc bonus for vendetta. So if you have the 4pc bonus you refresh dots before vendetta expires

[glass dust]

Guys could i sim higher with other talents or covenant in my current situation ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k8CUCPzL2XEvSFnefcugsq

[grim topaz]

we still running duskwalkers patch though? even though we go theotar instead of NF?

or did I miss something?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah you still run dusk with 4pc

Regardless of cov

[grim topaz]

thank god

[spice spire]

Probably mfd, but I’m running rn

[whole bay]

whats mfd

[muted ivy]

marked for death

[whole bay]

oh i dont like that

[cinder horizon]

anyone got a AW that tracks bleeds that have been affected by 4p?

[scenic sapphire]

With new changes, do we keep CT up like Rupture or is it only a deal with Vendetta and Shiv?

[spice spire]

@glass dust https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6J3ELWHtfzax2CCJLLBSCF

[glass dust]

Ty ! You just swapped to mfd right ?

[spice spire]

Yep

Only change on your sim for best was MFD

[whole bay]

isnt vigor best anymore?

[gusty mirage]

Vigor hasn’t been the best for quite some time my friend

[whole bay]

fuck

so its between strategem and mfd?

[glass dust]

great

[gusty mirage]

Yup, mfd for venthyr

Ds for everyone else

[glass dust]

precisely its when you play obediance you have to go for mfd

if i get it

[gusty mirage]

Venthyr with mfd was a thing even without obedience, but obedience just makes it that much better if that makes sense

[whole bay]

so i can go night fae stratagemÉ

[glass dust]

Seems you dont like to play mfd 🙂

[whole bay]

i hate it haha

[plain jetty]

My normal weak aura tracks the bleeds just fine during vendetta with the 4p

[muted ivy]

i think they mean they want to track specifically if the bleed is still under the 4pc affect

[glass dust]

Me to i got no clue how to play it in monotarget scenario, maybe simply building CP before Lashing

[brazen inlet]

if you play night elf can you get a free vanish with meld in raid fights?

[cinder horizon]

looking for one that marks the bleeds as affected by the 4p so i dont over ride them early

[granite widget]

if i only plan on playing sin on pantheon (maybe) and lords of dread, should I craft duskwalker bc bis or zoldyck bc easier/most logs use it?

(W 4p)

[brazen inlet]

personally i would just craft zoldyks if that’s ALL you will use ass for

[granite widget]

id play ass whenever sub is quite a bit worse

oh pog, venthyr is good for sin now? niceeee

i mean good again*

[muted ivy]

i'd start with zold and then work towards crafting duskwalker

[brazen inlet]

yepp, just craft it whenever you need it

[muted ivy]

both are good, zold only really outshines for multi-target

[plain jetty]

Idk man, dusk is pretty easy to use and it is very strong

[granite widget]

are there any fight sin mythic (idk how mythic is) where sin >>> sub?

apart from pantheon/lords

[jaunty kayak]

how to sim pantheon properly? i think Cev made a custom sim at some point where there were 2 targets and later 4 targets .. but i cannot find the said sim :(

[plain jetty]

But keeping dots up in 2 targets during vendetta is hard. 4 targets is even harder lol

[indigo mulch]

Where do we slot obe with 2 leggos?

[muted ivy]

the most important part of pantheon is always going to be P3

[indigo mulch]

Err

Im atupid ignore me.

[plain jetty]

I agree

[indigo mulch]

Unity and dashing is the go to as venthyr now right?

[muted ivy]

Duskwalker

[indigo mulch]

Without 4p

Or still duskwalker? =o

[plain jetty]

I just think that for me I’d rather play dusk with the 4p over zoldycks

[bleak sky]

yes, dashing with no 4p

[indigo mulch]

Figured.

Happy i still have some crit left

Kekw

[plain jetty]

I didn’t play in 9.1 so I didn’t get a sylv dagger and it’s impossible to find groups still running sanctum 😦

[whole bay]

seems like night fae isnt as powerful as venthyr

[muted ivy]

heroic sepulcher daggers and up are better for sin, and I bet in a couple weeks people will be more likely to start doing sanctum runs again

[glass dust]

i got 2p im simming higher with dashing for exemple

[grim topaz]

I feel the lineup with Flag and Vendetta is just way off

even with MFD

and I feel like it's a waste to hold Vendetta for like 40 seconds

[whole bay]

with unity its never full cd on flagellation

they have like 15 seconds appart

[grim topaz]

yeah well, I reckon getting in 2 vendetta and 1 flag is the way

[muted ivy]

?

[grim topaz]

cause that's how the lineup feels right now

[muted ivy]

shouldn't be lol

[grim topaz]

I just sat 10 mins on a dummy

well, I'll test it out some more and see what happens

[wild mural]

Watch your stacks to see if your flag is bugged and/or that you have unity equipped

Cuz it shouldn’t be a 45s difference unless something is wrong

[grim topaz]

yeah that's what I was thinking too

cause with duskwalkers they should be close to lining up

[jaunty kayak]

4 targets 3 mins to sim pantheon fight? or is there a better way?

[grim topaz]

so I'm gonna get my head back into a bit of testing and see what I can come up with

[plain jetty]

I’ve been hearing that unity is bugged

[wild mural]

Someone yesterday said their unity was bugged and it wasn’t working properly with stacks and reduced cdr

[grim topaz]

so that might be the thing @plain jetty

that'll explain why my vendetta is off CD far earlier than flag with duskwalkers

@wild mural that explains the 45sec gap and not 15 sec :p I'll test it out more later, gonna make dinner now ^^

[limber lion]

You might want to try reloading the game

[glass dust]

Is the fellowing a good opener (master assassin mdf talented)
Mulilate x2, Rupture, Garrote, SnD, MFD, flagellation, Vendetta + vanish, evenom ?

[limber lion]

apparently that has helped someone

[limber lion]

No.

I would recommend looking up a guide instead of trying to come up with an opener yourself

[glass dust]

from memory the guide does not cover every combination of talent and legendary

to adapt the suggestion of opener

[limber lion]

But that is legit

the setup you always use as Venthyr

You always run MA/MFD

You're breaking several rules with that opener

[modest glen]

if i have killed/looted a normal boss, can i still get an item traded to me from that boss from someone else?

or are you locked out

[cinder horizon]

no

[plain jetty]

Apparently if you notice that unity isn’t working relighting has been known to fix the issue sometimes

[rugged blaze]

Relogging should fix it

[trail mica]

Is there a venthyr guide without 4p set? do i hold flag, when do i hold flag and so on?

[spice spire]

Hold flag to line up with vendetta unless you’ll miss a cast of it.
If you’re unsure, just full send Freddy

[whole bay]

is it ok to go deeper stratagem with night fae? also, should i cast sepsis, and wait for it to expire before doing the vendetta vanish shiv combo?

[trail mica]

If i have 20+ sec cd on vendetta, i just go flag?

[whole bay]

with dusk leggo, there should be a difference all that much

vendetta should refresh before flag

[limber lion]

Yes, you always play DS as Night Fae

And no, you press Sepsis - Shiv - Vendetta in that order every single time

[whole bay]

okipoki

thx a lot 🙂

[limber lion]

You always sync Sepsis/Shiv together and those 2 with Vendetta whenever possible

[whole bay]

alrighty

should i hold vendetta until sepsis comes back?

[spice spire]

You’re overthinking this.
If you’re not missing a cast, aim to line up.
If you’re unsure on your timers, just send it. With obedience, it should be close to lineup anyway.

[whole bay]

or should i do Vendetta+sepsis, only vendetta and wait

[quaint heath]

Is anyone elses unity lego bugged?

[vestal wren]

if you relog it should be fixed

[limber lion]

No, you don't want to hold anything else but Shiv for a few seconds

[slow marsh]

You can't fit a whole extra vend in between flags though

[limber lion]

Just follow the normal fae logic

[whole bay]

i havent played fae in a long time unfortunately

[limber lion]

Which is:
Sepsis/Shiv/Vend
Shiv
Vend/Shiv
Sepsis/Shiv
Vend/Shiv
Shiv
Sepsis/Shiv/Vend

[whole bay]

oh damn ok

[limber lion]

1 cast of Sepsis without Vend, 2 Vend casts without Sepsis

[whole bay]

basically every shiv cast should use cds if available

[limber lion]

Sure

but not the ones after sepsis/shiv/vend

but yeh

[slow marsh]

more like every cd cast should use shiv

is a better way

[whole bay]

yeah no of course

true

thanks a lot fellow rogues

[marsh wagon]

is it normal for mastery to jump to the top with 4pc 2leg?

[limber lion]

Sure

[gray hazel]

so its not worth holding sepsis for vendetta then?

[limber lion]

?

Vendetta is a 1 minute cast

Oh you mean the one between

no it is not worth

[gray hazel]

yeah

kk

[limber lion]

It lines up perfectly if you just send it on cd

every 3 minutes

[gray hazel]

kk sounds good.

How has the 4 pce been in keys?

just send vedetta on some high hp dude?

[slow marsh]

kinda yeah. it's still our 3rd best stat but i'm getting mastery gems in my sims so there's some amount of dr'd haste/crit that the sim wants to start taking mastery after

[plain jetty]

A follow up question, are y’all feeling dusk or zold for keys on fortified weeks?

[slow marsh]

dusk always

[plain jetty]

Ok good.

[slow marsh]

unless pantheon and you wont get value out of extra casts. that's the only place zold is debatable

[plain jetty]

Necro sin feels real good with double leggo 4p

[limber lion]

Technically Dusk is still better on Pantheon as well

[slow marsh]

Yeah I agree

[plain jetty]

I used to only play outlaw with necro

[limber lion]

But during progression only p3 matters and it gets super hectic so you might risk failing a mechanic trying to keep up

[slow marsh]

But there is some merit to the whole not being able to handle p3 thing

[limber lion]

Yeh

[slow marsh]

yeah

[strange python]

Wait I thought zold was good in m+ @-@

[limber lion]

I agree, I would 100% play Zoldyck until you're super comfortable with it

[slow marsh]

until after 4p

[strange python]

God damn it why did I craft it at 290 💀

[slow marsh]

because it was still good for like 3 weeks

[strange python]

Not worth

Im broke now from making it lmao

[bitter aurora]

I was looking at the pins and noticed necrolord has a different opener now, I’m just wondering when do you CT now?

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is still great for m+ in some dungeons where you can't get full value out of every Vendetta

Sending Vendetta on a slime that dies in 6 seconds isn't really worth it

[limber lion]

Pretty much after the opener there

You just build to 5-6CP and then CT

[bitter aurora]

Thanks!

[whole bay]

is there a point where i should stop caring about my bleeds (like above five targets) and just spam crimson tempest?

[limber lion]

Never

You basically never spam CT

You apply the dot and continue reapplying Ruptures to everything and using Garrote on CD

[whole bay]

ok

thx 🙂

[ripe gulch]

pugged lords and rygelon

no tier piece

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/656GfBFAMN7sW3LvMCXm4C

passed on 278 dagger cause i was sat on pantheon

[slow marsh]

one of us

[timid cloud]

[echo geyser]

💀

2.8%

kinda nice that u always go CT tho

no matter if ST or aoe

[vestal wren]

reminds me of dfa

just that dfa did more damage

[subtle tundra]

hmm

necro with deathspike pretty fun

easier aswell

[edgy cloak]

MFD really is mandatory ?

[echo geyser]

yeah thats why whispyr doesnt play sin anymore

he hates mfd but its a lot better

[edgy cloak]

hate it too 😭

[subtle tundra]

what you on ram

ok 1 assa key was enough for me

back to sub

[echo geyser]

crack?

im not playing sin in keys

u w0t m8

[subtle tundra]

im talking about meself

i did an assa key

[echo geyser]

? whats this about

[subtle tundra]

.

[echo geyser]

[vestal wren]

idk, sin is always fairly low apm

don't thim mfd makes it that much worse

[subtle tundra]

necro assa might be fine on low target count dungeons

felt good in that 1 key

[vestal wren]

i mean, i personal don't like the pacing, but its overall well rounded

[grim tangle]

I don't understand not liking mfd tbh

[oak sky]

Necro sin can do a shitload on top and pf

[grim tangle]

just leaves room for more plays

[subtle tundra]

maybe mists

[solid venture]

I also enjoy tab targeting subterfuge garrotes into affix relics

[oak sky]

Bro i keep forgetting to swap onto my zold 💀

I was doing necro keys with obedience

[subtle tundra]

but its definetly shit in big aoe dungeons, like really shit

[slow marsh]

the true prophet

[oak sky]

I think the writing was on the wall with it simming better at the end of last patch with obe tbh

At least in hindsight

[slow marsh]

ye im memeing

[oak sky]

You did it bro

[slow marsh]

i think everyone knew deep down, they just didn't want to accept it

[oak sky]

Tc legend

[north current]

Hi guys, on how many targets it is best to keep bleeds in m+. Sometimes i see if keep more then 4 target with bleeds and poison i get overcapped energy. It is good or bad?

[oak sky]

Bleed everything, but only 5 when you want prio damage to one target

[slow marsh]

Sometimes I just like to go back and look at things I predicted to see what my takes were and then I cringe at how cringe I can be

[oak sky]

You had some spicy shit this ptr

[slow marsh]

Like my takes are generally on point or very close but the way that I deliver it....it's no wonder people don't hop on board the Ice train