assassination

[hollow river]

Exsanguinate effect has always snapshot haste

So kinda doubt they fix it

[timid cloud]

Let THAT die.

We can keep NL though.

[still pewter]

Says it doesnt matter if i play CT or PB. But should learn CT for just all fights right?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xreYG4rGcj1sVQmQoCucV5

[balmy condor]

CT whenever there's adds

[timid cloud]

Nadjia outsimmed for you?

That's nutty.

[still pewter]

Who we meant to run? i just run nadj sim

[limber lion]

Theo or Nadja

[still pewter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e2Tn5heZAnBxXpy58Wxyfs

[limber lion]

That sim is just insane ngl

[still pewter]

Ah its 200 more. but saves me having to swap for sub fights

[ebon notch]

why

[limber lion]

it's so low

:3

it's cute

[ebon notch]

[brazen zodiac]

hi daps!

[ebon notch]

dont bully him hes doing his best

[ebon notch]

hello!

[brazen zodiac]

whats poppin

[tiny ember]

he simmed iwth only one lego

o wait no

[ebon notch]

unity and duskwalkers are there

[tiny ember]

nvm

I read Cinch of Ubad

not unity

[ebon notch]

LMAOO

[tiny ember]

I'm like that's a bit wierd but ok

[ebon notch]

@limber lion when you equipping cinch of ubad?

[strange python]

why does ct sim so much lower on ST o.o if its better

i guess its just for fights that actually utilize it

nvm

[timid cloud]

I don't bother simming Subter until 4p, right?

[brazen zodiac]

how many pieces u got breadman

[fading wigeon]

should I be saving all my domination gear for season 4 :p lol

[limber lion]

No reason not to sim stuff often including all combinations of talents/soulbinds/covenants

[bronze plover]

hey there! i want to create my unity which slot do u prefer for dusk?

[limber lion]

takes a few clicks

[limber lion]

Dusk ring, Unity wrists/belt

[strange python]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowlands-season-4-coming-later-this-year-with-new-twists-326440?webhook

[solid venture]

wtf

no shot im going to do SLG with increased difficulty

[limber lion]

Raid+ sounds pretty interesting ngl

[spice spire]

Edge of night 311

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

Raid+ lmfao

exciting

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

Stop i dont want it man

i dont want to do slyv

no

:"(

[obtuse robin]

only if it gives me CE

[strange python]

sub rogues in 2022 with mythic slyv dagger v2 clearing 30+ keys

[fleet anchor]

Interesting in a way, but also feel like this is truly a slippery slope issue for Blizzard 😛

[obtuse robin]

surprised it took them this long tbh

[fleet anchor]

I really kinda want everyone to revolt on it so they don't start thinking recycling or stretching out raid tiers even further is ok lol

[strange python]

well obviously they want to make the next expac as good as they can

and dont have time to make another raid

so theyre giving us something fun to do

i 100% back this

as someone who never got to mythic raid in Castle, I'd love to prog through it again

[fleet anchor]

Personally, I'm not totally sold on that argument. People bought SL and are paying now. They are trying to milk out a 3 patch duration while only working on 2 patches, I feel like the next xpac being good or not doesn't really matter if they current one sucks due to them not working on it enough. 😛

[strange python]

i think its just different from person to person

is it optimal? no but ill take it

is my thought process

[vestal wren]

reality is

[strange python]

for someone who got CE 3 times it may not be exciting

[vestal wren]

content cycles are usually 4 months, so blizz is doubling this in sl and now even extend it with tier affixes

so i am with koji and don't rly like the concept even tho it might be fun

[strange python]

I feel like there was not going to be a great result regardless, but this is the best way they decided to address it

SL was obviously extremely rough on their content creation so it was bound to be less than optimal

[restive falcon]

so we run ma/MFD and CT with 4piece and stay obeindece/duskwalker

[strange python]

i believe so

[strange python]

also maybe the best way to get back to normal content cycles

for them

[vestal wren]

i don't know

it might be the exact oposite

them making long content cycles because they can do stuff like raid affixes

[strange python]

theres no easy way to tell

also this is like baby steps for them to actually see if ppl will do old content raids like what ffxiv has

putting their scaling to the test

[restive falcon]

so venth theo is bis for assassination now IF we get the haste tea?

[strange python]

i believe so

[restive falcon]

L man

[junior rampart]

Is creation catalyst already available??

[strange python]

i am afraid to definitively say yes to anything lmao

[dim tide]

12/13 april

[strange python]

creation catalyst.... comes out on the 12th

[craggy oak]

can you force haste tea?

[strange python]

^

no

?

not to my knowledge

[craggy oak]

so gamble to go theo then really

[strange python]

sounds like it

[junior rampart]

Thank you 🙂 damn! I was thinking its already April.

[restive falcon]

i may just stay nadja cause theo is my sub soulbind

[dusk summit]

The issue with necrolord is the unity for it is broken and doesn't function like it should.

[restive falcon]

ct is actually used for st now :/

[spice spire]

It’s been fairly close outside of frost shenanigans for a bit

[fleet whale]

looking at logs, i still see people using PB mostly for ST

[polar timber]

so are you trying to get as many flag stacks as you can before you actually hit ur vend?

or do you just do the flag rup mfd ct shiv vend

[limber lion]

I wonder what the pin says

[bleak sky]

omg

no night fae

papa bless Koji

papa bless Cev

[soft merlin]

@limber lion is the pin confirmed and tested? because "it looks like" is still not "it is" 😉 even tho i trust you!

[spice spire]

It is

[limber lion]

bruh

yes

we pull this info out of our ass

and just make it up on the spot

did you know that kyrian assa is actually the best spec?

[soft merlin]

fair enough

[limber lion]

I've tested it

trust

with tiny toxic blade

[spice spire]

If Cev says he worked on something.
He’s spent time.
During NF optimization, he’d deadass just say “damn I meant to go to bed 5 hours ago, but I’ve been hitting the dummy”

I’ll blindly put my faith in him

[soft merlin]

Hahaha same, was just curious

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

"is it tested and confirmed"

[soft merlin]

And kinda joking a bit

[spice spire]

Mister Ceverion it was once said by you that “vendetta with 4p goes sicko mode” is this tested and true? 🧐

[soft merlin]

lets hope for the theothar haste rng then

[spice spire]

Yessir

[restive falcon]

do u still play theo tho if u dont get haste cause crit might be nice but

[spice spire]

You can sim it

The line is in our faq

[zinc frost]

Didn’t they fix deathspike?

[fierce wind]

@limber lion what would you play on lords? MA or subterfuge with venthyr sin

[odd heath]

@limber lion do we have Sims for the new pinned venthyr tech? Or, how much higher is it than today's NF sims?

[fierce wind]

assuming it is 223

[limber lion]

Necrolord

[hollow river]

I told you

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

You can already sim yourself in Raidbots, the Venthyr tech is already implemented except for my rotational fixes. My gains are about -+100

[hollow river]

Those optimizations I found yesterday have been implemented into Nightly today

[zinc frost]

Can’t believed I woke up having to playing mfd again. Yuck

[limber lion]

You don't

[odd heath]

That's good. Will try to get full gear profiles to sim it tho. Want to check how is it capping

[limber lion]

300 dps better than Fae

still around 100-150 dps behind Sub

[bleak sky]

that's not bad at all

[odd heath]

Nice

[bleak sky]

[odd heath]

Very very nice

I'm just playing sub now, until 4p (hope I get it today) and double leg, but if the gap to sub is so small, I might just play assassin

[kindred rapids]

I knew venthyr had to be good

[vestal wren]

its quite big tbh

[subtle tundra]

in m+*

[restive falcon]

whats the dps difference from using theo (haste) and nadja with 4piece/obei/dusk

[kindred rapids]

haste snapshots when you press vend and when you cast bleeds during vend right?

no other points?

[limber lion]

less than 100dps

[vestal wren]

just rerunning venthyr makes it jump from ~16k to 16.6k

[restive falcon]

@limber lion cause im debaitng if i find a different cov for sub or stay theo and keeping nadja as assass

[odd heath]

Also, another question. Using CT on single target correct? What is the logic, using it before shivs, not refreshing during shiv, and maintaining the dot only?

[hollow river]

Today will forever go down in my heart as the day Kojiyama made us play Venthyr for an entire expansion

[odd heath]

Just reran your profile, changing the talents, jumped to 16844 dps

[limber lion]

Just play Nadja on Assa

[hollow river]

[restive falcon]

but remove WFS to leathal posion?

as nadja

[limber lion]

Use CT everywhere at all times. During Shiv, during Vend, outside of Shiv, outside of Vend'

Just keep it up

[fleet anchor]

Haste snapshots at that time, but the tricky part is what haste is snapshots

[vestal wren]

talents to what, ct?

[fleet anchor]

For the casting case it's straightforward

But for the Vendetta case, a DoT actually has to tick to register haste changes

So this was a bit of the tricky stuff we've been working on recently

[kindred rapids]

ahh weird so it's either the cast or first tick during vend

[fleet anchor]

No has to be before

[odd heath]

2332223 CT, ma and mfd

[fleet anchor]

e.g. if you do something like

Rupture -> Haste Trinket+Vendetta

The haste trinket actually does nothing

Vendetta snapshots the Rupture at its current haste level, which is without the trinket since it hasn't ticked yet

This is why for the NF profiles the action list now looks something like

Rupture -> Haste Trinket+Shiv -> Vendetta

[kindred rapids]

Oh so the cast of vendetta snapshots the haste at the time of the most recent tick?

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[kindred rapids]

weird 😅

[vestal wren]

nice, i had plans to re-run the profiles reguardless tomorrow^^

[fleet anchor]

For casts during Vendetta this is not an issue because when a DoT is cast it does take the current haste value

[kindred rapids]

so this just needed to be implemented correctly in simc?

[hollow river]

Wouldn’t you want to press vendetta after building all your flag stacks then?

[fleet anchor]

It was implemented mostly correctly but I added APL support for playing around it

[kindred rapids]

oh okay

[hollow river]

Or is that not worth since they need reapplying so quickly anyway

[fleet anchor]

actions.cds+=/vendetta,if=variable.vendetta_condition&(!set_bonus.tier28_4pc|(dot.garrote.haste_pct>=(dot.garrote.haste_pct_next_tick-3))&(dot.rupture.haste_pct>=(dot.rupture.haste_pct_next_tick-3)))

[timid cloud]

Venthyr Supremacy.

[kindred rapids]

fancy

[fleet anchor]

Probably not. You lose the Vendetta modifier for the Flag damage, which is non-trivial

There is a bit of a trade-off here

[kindred rapids]

kinda hard to convert that logic to a human though

[fleet anchor]

You'll get the full Haste value on your re-casts

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s what I was assuming

[fleet anchor]

Well, the simple way to map it to human form is "if your haste goes up by more than 2%, wait a global before casting Vendetta"

[kindred rapids]

I see

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

If you just do the Flag - Rup - MFD - CT - Vend, then you get the full remaining 20s value of Flag inside the entire 20s Vendetta

[fleet anchor]

The existing sequences Cev is talking about already mostly play around it

[hollow river]

When would be the most optimal time to use a haste trinket

[fleet anchor]

It's most sensitive if you are using a haste trinket like IQD or Battery

[hollow river]

With Flag cast?

[limber lion]

how long does it last?

Which one

[fleet anchor]

Basically just ~1 global before Vendetta mostly

In practical terms

[hollow river]

Iqd or Cache

[fleet anchor]

Cache I still couldn't really get great value out of

[hollow river]

Ah darn

[fleet anchor]

It's really hard to line up properly

[hollow river]

Yeah very true

[fleet anchor]

But yeah this is why Battery and IQD both went up in sims recently

Since I added logic for this

[hollow river]

Battery?

The odd looking trinket

From a Kyrian dungeon iirc?

[kindred rapids]

So the idea is build quick flag stags before vend

but obv not fully stack it

[strange silo]

So first sigil lost a lot of value? or we still just sync it with vendetta like a haste trinket?

[fleet anchor]

Sigil is still the strongest on-use

[woven ruin]

So, I cant get the tea from theotar. Do all 3 soulbinds need to be available for it to show up?

[kindred rapids]

if you vend right after ct your rupture might not have ticked though right?

with the higher haste lvl

[hollow river]

You just have to talk to him

[loud light]

have you activated the tea trait on theo? it's the last thing you unlock (party favors)

[hollow river]

You should only need Theo unlocked to get it but yeah you need to trait picked on your soul bind tree

[arctic venture]

CT for real? in ST?

[limber lion]

Honestly doesn't matter because you reapplying the rupture later will overwrite it anyways

[woven ruin]

It's been activated, do the ember court rehearsal phase it somehow?

[limber lion]

So long as you remember to reapply all bleeds towards the end of Vend

[timid cloud]

Cev, would you suggest CT in Dashing Scoundrel ST as well? I know that was a big no before.

[agile geode]

How much Is Better venthyr st than nfae?

[limber lion]

This entire thing is for 4p

and you don't play Dashing with 4p

[timid cloud]

Oh it’s just for 4P.

I see I see.

[kindred rapids]

It would in theory be better to wait for your bleeds to tick again after CT to snapshot at a higher haste lvl?

but you're saying the most important part is that you snapshot the haste buff at the end of vend

[normal mist]

Question about necro assa conduits

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6YYs9B2BW9T9QxSZBr6edX

[limber lion]

You can wait for the global cd and use Vend at the same time as Shiv

[normal mist]

why isnt serrated bone spike conduit good?

[limber lion]

But I wouldn't do anything else

[kindred rapids]

okay makes sense

[oak pulsar]

does the stealth proc from the end of sepsis count for garrote like does it make it do its 80% increased dmg?

[normal mist]

i believe it doesnt

it probably just doesnt put garrote on CD

[kindred rapids]

well it looks like only leveling venth and necro renown paid off for me

[normal mist]

you are "able" to use a stealth ability without being in stealth, but you are NOT in stealth so im 99% sure the garrote empower from talent wont proc

[zinc frost]

Yeah no empowered garrote from sepsis unfortunately.

[limber lion]

Only Ambush

Press Ambush with the proc

[limber lion]

It is, it's the best conduit for Necro

it's literally simming the same as your WPS

Even more so with 2p and eventually 4p

and massively so in multi-target

[normal mist]

im dumb then nvm

thanks cev

[spice spire]

It is

[normal mist]

i got baited by the sim

was wondering why the poison one was selected by the sim and not serrated

[spice spire]

I mean

It’s about equal.
It’s not like lashing good, but it’s fine. It’s not bait, whatever is best, is best

SF+WPS sims higher for me

[orchid elk]

If you are playing with a nf priest that reduces your vend cd around 20 seconds, the venthyr build becomes useless as you are supposed to hold your vendetta for flag right?

[slow marsh]

sin channel poppin off today

Na venth kinda becomes even better with faeries I think

cuz you can vend on cd instead of holding it and still have vend for flag maybe

[orchid elk]

Yeah at pull probably but idk if you reduce the cd enough after

[slow marsh]

vend cd isn't the issue, flag cd is

[orchid elk]

Yeah cause flag will be around 1min but vendetta prob something like 40-45 with nf ? idk

Need to try imo

Not sure u would have the occasion to vend 2 times in between flag

[slow marsh]

flag is only 1min if you get full 30 stacks, which you need MA vanish to do consistently

the other times it's 1:10-1:20

[vestal wren]

obedience and dusk should play well together

for the haste snapshot

[shy nest]

Heyo if you wanna play all 3 rogue specs. which stats would be ideal for uniity? crit/vers?

[slow marsh]

so if your vend is 40s cd then you can get two vends with one flag

er like vend flag - vend - vend flag

but idk would have to sim somethinig like that to know for sure

[orchid elk]

yeah i see what u mean, but idk we have to try to see if it's really that smooth

talking about that someone has a sims link for the priest nf ? i don't find it anywhere

[kindred rapids]

obviously just drop duskwalkers entirely and rely on faeries instead

[slow marsh]

no shot

[kindred rapids]

luckily there are plenty of holy priests this tier

[old obsidian]

fack

HELP

Or the dagger

[violet jackal]

uh need a translator

[old obsidian]

set or a dagger 278

[zinc frost]

Wait till raid reclear

[violet jackal]

wihch dagger is it?

[orchid elk]

reclear first

[spice spire]

I think it’s the NW dagger

My Spanish bad tho

[zinc frost]

My English bad

[spice spire]

Same

[weak hearth]

well, stitches is something like sutures and its called suturas, so...

[old obsidian]

yes bros that weapon is from NW

[spice spire]

My Spanish is good

Wait until raid clear tho

[old obsidian]

the sad? my guild got 9/10 in the previous raid and I never got the full mythical daggers, raiding with a heroic dagger all season

[weak hearth]

got 10/10 and 12 heroic kills, no daggers at all. sadge 😦

[spice spire]

If you’re running assassination, it’s fine. 265+ daggers are better than 259 eons anyway

But for multi speccing F.

[weak hearth]

yes, I know but it would have been nice last tier 🙂

[spice spire]

True

Tho 252s we’re better for me

[weak hearth]

yes, it really hampers my sub spec

[spice spire]

Yeah

[weak hearth]

but what ever, at least i got a good excuse to just play assa all tier, I do much prefer it

[agile geode]

god bless my father ceverion

[unborn needle]

With 4pc and Vendetta, does it snapshot? So should we be refreshing Garrote and Rupture as it is ending, or does the speed increase end when Vendetta ends?

[split grail]

Wait...according to the pin we should be runnign CT even for single target?

[real bay]

guh

cT

[viscid spear]

No reason to keep the Obed cloak now, right?

[split grail]

ct and mfd. Two more buttons for my rotation. I play sin because it's supposed to be a faceroll T_T

[unborn needle]

I wonder how much more dps you get from mfd vs subterfuge. If it's tiny, i'd likely play the other since you likely have to play perfect with your MFD for you to get the benefit.

[split grail]

mfd and sub are on different tiers

[unborn needle]

Sorry, Deeper Strat

[slow marsh]

Except you don't

You literally just use it on cd

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

don't even have to get resets and it's still better

[real bay]

my outlaw training finally paid off. i can handle these extra buttons

[split grail]

I prefer simple rotations and complicated bosses

[balmy condor]

why would you keep the cloak

craft unity on cloak that way you'll never feel alone

always have a cloak by your side

[wild beacon]

turbo nerds have been busy overnight wow

thanks legends 🤗

[weak hearth]

Bless them ❤️

[viscid spear]

I crafted 291 Dusk ring tho

[split grail]

Wait, I thought unity went on wrist?

[balmy condor]

it does

that's the joke

[split grail]

Oh, I don't get jokes when the subject is something I barely understand

[balmy condor]

unity on cloak is actually fine though

because lego slots don't matter

and lego stats don't matter

as long as you don't double craft into tier slots and brick yourself out of completing your 4 set

craft whatever the hell you want wherever you want it

[viscid spear]

1pc

[balmy condor]

the more I theorycraft and sim and look for gains, the more I realize that caring about an extra 0.2% from swapping stats and slots and enchanting and gemming with the absolute best that you ever could, is just asinine copium for playing wrong

[viscid spear]

What does it cost to make Unity?

[balmy condor]

people will worry about ring enchants and then go into a fight and miss a whole ass flag cast

[balmy condor]

same as every other lego, but you need 500 flux to buy the recipe

you get a free 265 belt if you're into that

can just use that

[viscid spear]

What about making it? What wrist vessel would I need?

[split grail]

What are the differences without mfd? All things being equal I'd prefer to take at least 1 thing off my bars

[balmy condor]

the... normal one?

whatever the wrist lego vessel is called

[viscid spear]

So I can craft a 291 Unity?

[wild beacon]

but if i would have missed the flag cast anyway i'm still 0.2% ahead

[pseudo phoenix]

What do we use for 2nd legendary for now if I dont have 4pc yet

[balmy condor]

yeh

[balmy condor]

with 4pc you'd take deeper I guess and then just play like you normally would

[balmy condor]

dashing, zold, doomblade, whatever you have laying around

[viscid spear]

Is it okay on belt and I can just upgrade it or is wrist really that good?

[balmy condor]

you can't upgrade the quest reward

[pseudo phoenix]

Thanks whispyr

[split grail]

thanks for both a speedy response and some good news

[balmy condor]

but also like you were there

when I just complained about this

[winged basin]

yo, so I am solidly confused, I sim lower with mfd and ct with 2set in comparison to vigor/ds with poison bomb. do I have it completely wrong that you want MFD/CT with 2pc?

[balmy condor]

CT never overtakes

[viscid spear]

It's been a long day

[winged basin]

oh word, I couldve sworn I was reading that we run CT MFD 2pc

my bad

[balmy condor]

if we did I would not be in this channel for the rest of the expac rest assured

[winged basin]

LOL

[split grail]

But the new opener mentions CT for ST. Or is that only for 4pc?

[balmy condor]

mfd on sin is some demon spawn shit

[winged basin]

that must just pertain to 4pc with snapshotting

my b my b

[balmy condor]

that's 4 piece with venth snapshotting

[wild beacon]

is the APL for the new venth snapshotting degen available publicly?

[balmy condor]

yes

it's just regular raidbots sims

[upbeat needle]

akaari on neck if we don't have tier helm ? or head

only rocking 2pc atm

[balmy condor]

hopefully neither

[split grail]

I don't really know what snapshotting is but it sounds like something I won't be any good at

[upbeat needle]

I'm thinking head for stat gain

[balmy condor]

gtfo out of here

[bleak sky]

wrong channel dingus

[upbeat needle]

oh shit

I thought I clicked sub

[bleak sky]

#subtlety

[wild beacon]

lmao

[upbeat needle]

#817326218100736000

swap to dusk at 4pc right ?

or 2pc fine

[winged basin]

it def complicates the spec a bit

the reward will be worth the "pain" of learning tho

[zinc frost]

Just when you thought we were rid of that dirty talent

[dusk summit]

Does anyone know if necrolord lego is fixed or is it still broken?

[balmy condor]

here's the really short explanation of why venth is better all of a sudden and why it's cringe:

haste increase bleed tick rate, more haste, faster bleed. Same timeframe though so more damage.
venth gives flag, flag gives haste, flag gives more bleed damage
4 piece doubles the tick rate of bleeds during vendetta. <- this is the problematic part

the problem is that you apply the bleed during vendetta, and it has to double the tick rate. So it doubles the tick rate of the application time, and then does not update it. Worse than that, it actually waits 1 tick to lock in the new doubled tick rate. So we now hold the vendetta until after the CT (the pinned opener), so that all the dots can update dynamically with the haste increase from flag on that finisher, before using vendetta to essentially lock that in. Once you refresh, you'll then lock in that one, and after that you'll be in the overhang part of flag, so your haste doesn't change.

That also means you have things like anima battery being randomly decent because its haste, IQD, and all that jazz

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

depends on what bug you're referring to

sbs and deathspike haven't worked properly once all expansion

[dusk summit]

Yah that basically makes it useless.

[balmy condor]

[restive falcon]

so cringe ct is better than pb now

[hollow river]

They fixed some of the more impactful bugs yes

[balmy condor]

I ask which bug to give you more info on if it's fixed

[limber lion]

you've been here for like 4 hours

[balmy condor]

and you go "oh so it's useless"

[limber lion]

how are you still so out of the loop

[split grail]

Yeah I'm an AOTC raider with some mythic goals. This is too far above me

[restive falcon]

yea ik and its just so cringe to think about

[limber lion]

All of this only matters with 4p

[winged basin]

I love that

[balmy condor]

play fae, you'll be fine

[winged basin]

I don't understand it so its cringe

[dusk summit]

the fact that death spike will over ride the main cast and wont give a combo point back.

[split grail]

Speaking of NF, how exactly does Sepsis work. Just pop it on cd?

[hollow river]

Had a feeling we’d be taking CT in all content this tier

[drowsy parcel]

deathspike extra spikes all give a charge back now im pretty sure

[balmy condor]

That’s fixed

[timid cloud]

Back to the olden days.

[winged basin]

line it up with vendetta

[timid cloud]

Of NYA.

[dusk summit]

As well as there is really no smart cast so it just hits kinda a second target at random and there is no guarantee it will land on the proper target.

[balmy condor]

:/

[winged basin]

woah

[balmy condor]

Why do people just say words

[winged basin]

whaaaa

I literally just read it

[hollow river]

Every other vendetta (with 4p)

[timid cloud]

[winged basin]

I no speak

[timid cloud]

That’s Whispyr right now.

[winged basin]

im sorry

LMAO

[split grail]

Hopefullt will get my 4pc tonight'

[hollow river]

These are words

[winged basin]

when I asked a few days ago it was line it up with vendetta

[balmy condor]

Maybe I need to repost the fae logic

[dusk summit]

Well that defiantly makes it more viable.

[bleak sky]

whispyr wrote a book on how to use sepsis/vend/shiv

[winged basin]

thats my b on saying things without 100% >.<

[bleak sky]

read it

[timid cloud]

YES YES YES YES

[balmy condor]

This creates the cycle of:
Vend+sepsis+shiv (opener)
Shiv (around 0:30)
Vend+shiv (1:00)
Sepsis+shiv (1:30)
Vend+shiv (2:00)
Shiv (2:30)
Vend+sepsis+shiv (3:00, repeating the cycle)

You still want to follow the sync logic of “if you won’t lose a cast”, which may result in some simulations holding either sepsis or vendetta. This 30 second shiv cycle is still consistent with that, for example:

Vend+sepsis+shiv (opener)
Shiv (0:30)
Vend + shiv (1:00)
Shiv (1:30, holding sepsis 30 seconds for vend)
Vend+sepsis+shiv (2:00, using the sepsis here)
Shiv (2:30)
Vend+shiv (3:00)
Shiv (3:30, again holding sepsis)
Vend+sepsis+shiv (4:00, with the fight ending before 4:30)

The second example requires a fight of between 4 and 4:30, but the logic can be extended to sync the final sepsis with the final vendetta of the fight in general. Keep this in mind depending on your kill times next patch

[timid cloud]

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

I will forget this, I must save for later.

[winged basin]

[hollow river]

Whispyr rn

[oak pulsar]

do we know how much of a dps increase is this new venth 4 pc+ double leggo is over fea

[balmy condor]

I hate this timeline

[oak pulsar]

its sad i was kinda excited for fea just to switch things up

[dusk summit]

Would you recommend if using Necro sticking with zoldyck (m+) till we get 4pc?

[timid cloud]

Has it been simmed?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[zinc frost]

It’s been simmed, Cev said it was around 300

[limber lion]

depends on profiles and whether or not you have haste tea

but around 300 dps

[timid cloud]

That was the joke.

[slow marsh]

I mean tbh fae will still be the easier gameplay loop I think for those who really can't handle learning the venth mfd stuff or don't want to

[dusk summit]

Thanks!

[limber lion]

For sure

[balmy condor]

Snapshotting is never a good thin

[timid cloud]

Both seem fairly interesting.

[balmy condor]

We’re living in a hell scape

[timid cloud]

But yes, I’d rather not be a Feral Druid 2.0

[bleak sky]

simming is for chumps, the folks around here just hit the dummy for 20 min and call it a day

[slow marsh]

yeah i felt like this would happen with teh snapshot thingy that's why i made an attempt to get it removed and replaced with something else

[timid cloud]

We’re pretty much one step away from…Ex… 🤢 …

[zinc frost]

I can’t keep up with the memes and who’s actually asking the same questions

[slow marsh]

try 45s bud

[timid cloud]

I can’t even say it.

The cursed talent.

[slow marsh]

exsanguinate needs to stay dead ok plz don't

[timid cloud]

(Obviously I’m being extra.)

[restive falcon]

[timid cloud]

🤮

Any Snapshotters in the chat?

[balmy condor]

It’s kinda funny though

[red plaza]

Its 2012 again baby!

[slow marsh]

if only there was a way to get a 40s rup and emp gar then exsang would be omega

[timid cloud]

That we’re this close to NYA again?

[slow marsh]

actually 40s rup can be solved with kyrian

[timid cloud]

Yeah. ER Sin.

Put me the fuck down.

[wild beacon]

don't you dare

[scenic kelp]

1 day off and we Stay venthyr gg xD

[balmy condor]

Sin is snapshotting and thinking about tick rates and 4piece and syncing CDs and fight times and shit

Sub is like yeah idk blades on cooldown, dance close to on cooldown, hit the kyrian cp whenever

And sin still can’t keep up

[timid cloud]

LOL

[unborn needle]

Yeah, maybe going sub is just easier/better.

[timid cloud]

What’s the diffy right now between both? 150?

More work for less numbers…

[viscid spear]

I would need Missives to recraft Unity I assume, so Crit/Haste as usual?

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

It was 500ish in bis before the venth change

So I guess about 200 now

[balmy condor]

Yep

[timid cloud]

Bless.

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

BuT SiN iS tHe EaSiEr sPeC tO pLaY

[slow marsh]

so basically your dream come true as a perma sub main right?

[balmy condor]

Nah I’m just gonna play fae honestly

I don’t even like venth in the raid

[slow marsh]

fae wont' be bad at all. there's something about shiv sepsis forget that is satisfying

[wild beacon]

the forget part

[hollow river]

Yeah I was excited for the NF tech honestly

Kinda tired of building Flag stacks

[balmy condor]

Venth kinda works for the funnel on like anduin and guardian

[timid cloud]

Hey @spice spire

[balmy condor]

But Idk man

Sin doesn’t funnel anyway

[timid cloud]

You couldn’t gaslight me into Night Fae again, fucker.

[hollow river]

I’m likely only going to play sin on necro bosses anyway

[slow marsh]

I'm only playing sin from now on

[timid cloud]

I never played the NL leggo before. Actually kinda helpful.

[slow marsh]

unless someone wants to give 140k gold to craft sub stuff that i will use until 4p

[timid cloud]

Feels nice.

[hollow river]

Unless timings just make sub hard as fuck on some bosses

But I doubt that tbh

[unborn needle]

I think I'm still going NF. The Alpaca soulshape is greater than the 300dps you get from snapshot soul crushing degen play.

[timid cloud]

Not a Hippo enjoyer????

[slow marsh]

I got penguin today

[timid cloud]

[hollow river]

Imagine not being penguin

[slow marsh]

Don't tell ramfam

[unborn needle]

https://tenor.com/view/flirt-wink-alpaca-llama-ilma-gif-22565297

[keen mantle]

Does venthyr with this new update sims higher than NF before?

And how much it sims

[hollow river]

@echo geyser

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

I will farm 1,000 cyphers for Dino.

🦕

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

do you even have penguin yet

[echo geyser]

no i dont rly play nf actively

so i cant get any

[unborn needle]

"Do you even penguin bro?"

[echo geyser]

i do have the alpaca tho

[slow marsh]

bro look at this cursed sim @timid cloud

[echo geyser]

my OG hunter from season 1 has the frog

[timid cloud]

[fleet anchor]

Nah I’m just gonna play faeNecro honestly

[timid cloud]

I’m passing away.

[balmy condor]

Honestly? I’ve always been against you boneheads but I think it’s time we put aside our differences and rise together against snapshotting

Fucking 12 year old mechanics

[timid cloud]

[fleet anchor]

What exactly is that?

[timid cloud]

I love being a better Feral Druid.

[unborn needle]

12 year old mechanics. Isn't that against child labor laws?

[balmy condor]

Nothing good

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

It's kyrian NS + exsang

[timid cloud]

Something Wicked This Way Comes…

[balmy condor]

Exactly, venthyr uses child labor

Cancel this covenant

[hollow river]

Oh you know what it is

[lusty kraken]

is sub still simming higher than sin?

[slow marsh]

I wanted to see if it would get a NS'd animacharged rupture and then exsang it

[fleet anchor]

So putting together our two worst talents and hoping two wrongs make a right and it ends up being really good?

[slow marsh]

but it's about over that build as everyone else here

[balmy condor]

Yes

[lusty kraken]

[timid cloud]

Being a mechanic at 12 years old is amazing.

[balmy condor]

It worked for mfd and CT for venth

[hollow river]

[fleet anchor]

Eh, CT is always borderline though

[slow marsh]

well this is how it starts. you sim the terrible talents, and then check the apl and see if it's actually terrible or if it's being played terribly

[timid cloud]

Well at least I'll never have to worry about what gems & enchants I'm gonna need.

[balmy condor]

Please just buff envenom or something

[timid cloud]

Since I'll only be needing haste.

[balmy condor]

I’ve been struggling to stave off the CT single target all expansion

[fleet anchor]

MfD at least has an interaction with Venthyr

[balmy condor]

I’m not strong enough anymore

[timid cloud]

Me thinking about CT ST

[slow marsh]

NS exsang has kinda sorta interaction with kyrian

[hollow river]

^me rn

[timid cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2uJ9eN19s7NDUZ9M7SyZPX

[balmy condor]

You don’t have to talk sometimes you know

[unborn needle]

All these sims, creating degen rotations that most can't consistently do to gain a 0.5% dps increase, when if they'd keep the simple gameplay talents, they'd probably get better logs.

[slow marsh]

I've been mia for like 2 weeks

[hollow river]

These are words

[slow marsh]

DOn't say you didn't miss me

[spice spire]

After that banger let’s make it 4

[timid cloud]

I guess I'm dropping a dagger...

[spice spire]

Joking aside mister iceblades

[fleet anchor]

But yeah I think the Rupture Exsang prep line is fubar with NS

[timid cloud]

Lowkey though...

[balmy condor]

I’m already burned out

[slow marsh]

(I'm definitely not being serious about the NS exsang thing)

[timid cloud]

Iceblades you're cringe for Kyrian Exsang.

LOL

Bleach my eyes.

[slow marsh]

It was just a bunny trail Cydone led me down

[unborn needle]

I think the Venthyr Haste Snapshotting is cringe, but I'm sure it's going to be meta because a Sim said so.

[timid cloud]

We've done it before.

[spice spire]

So @timid cloud is the cringe one, I knew it

[balmy condor]

Rest assured the wowhead guide will not update with this shit

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

I just thought it was funny that it does a rupture -> mut -> rupture

big brain stuff there

[spice spire]

It’s the shrouded line but backwards

[unborn needle]

You mean Rupture doesn't stack? I've been playing this all wrong.

[fleet anchor]

Needs to be something like instead of

rupture,if=talent.exsanguinate.enabled&(effective_combo_points>=cp_max_spend&cooldown.exsanguinate.remains<1&dot.rupture.remains*0.5<target.time_to_die)

should be

rupture,if=talent.exsanguinate.enabled&(effective_combo_points>=cp_max_spend&cooldown.exsanguinate.remains<1&dot.rupture.remains*0.5<target.time_to_die)&pmultiplier<=1

[spice spire]

Finisher > generator > finisher instead of generator > finisher > generator

[fleet anchor]

But also the Exsang line itself needs to consider the exsanguinated_rate from Vendetta also, since it's not triggering enough

[balmy condor]

Or how bout we just don’t

[fleet anchor]

dot.rupture.remains>4+4*cp_max_spend

[hollow river]

Do exsang and vendetta 4p effect stack?

[fleet anchor]

needs to be multiplied by the exsanguinted_rate

yes

[hollow river]

For 200%?

Holy moly

[slow marsh]

That's why I was checking the meme of a super long rupture exsang'd twice

[hollow river]

That’s gonna be broken in pvp

[grave trail]

anywhere i can see opener for Fae sin 4pc dont see it on pins might be blind

[slow marsh]

On a more serious note though it does weird stuff with venthyr too koji

[fleet anchor]

I think the more shocking thing about that build

[slow marsh]

not the exsang but the NS

[fleet anchor]

Is that it only loses 2% dps from spamming Rupture like that

Truly buttons don't matter for Assassination 😛

[unborn needle]

The only thing I need to know is, who can create a 1 button macro for assasination?

[balmy condor]

Stats don’t matter
Lego slots don’t matter
Buttons don’t matter

[unborn needle]

I don't care what covenant or talents

[balmy condor]

Just Hit stuff

[balmy condor]

Covenant don’t matter

Soulbind don’t matter

[slow marsh]

flag rupture and then overrides the rupture with vanish rupture 3s later

[weak plover]

does [Overcharged Anima Battery] matter?

[timid cloud]

Whispyr one random build tech away from going Feral.

[unborn needle]

Pacifist Rogue should be our 4th spec

[fleet anchor]

Why would you not do that?

[balmy condor]

It’s kind of okay with all the snapshot thing

[fleet anchor]

That's literally what NS setup always does for max duration NS Rupture

[slow marsh]

ye the vanish rup thing is fine but why bother with flag rup 3s beforehand

[viscid spear]

260 ilvl now

[fleet anchor]

You have to cast Rupture twice to get it to max duration

With Pandemic

[spice spire]

Higher than me

[limber lion]

because you want to vanish rupture a full 5cp rup after a rup to take adavantage of pandemic

[slow marsh]

But isn't it overriding the rupture instead of pandemic'ing it ? idk i could just very well be dumb

[unborn needle]

I'm going to rewind my brain and pretend I never saw the pinned message about the Venthyr snapshotting and just go my merry Night Fae way.

[limber lion]

it increases duration

[solid venture]

this venthyr redemption arc is too weird

[viscid spear]

Well technically that's with Unity wrist and Dusk ring both 291, but I have to stick with the wrist and 262 Dash cloak for now

[slow marsh]

So it still gets the benefit of the pandemic even if it's not in pandemic? I'm missing something here

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

nono

[fleet anchor]

Ok I've turned your Kyrian disaster from awful into mediocre

🤣

[slow marsh]

poggers

xD

[hollow river]

i knew this was coming

[viscid spear]

Shame I have to wait until 4pv for Dusk to be good

[unborn needle]

This is like spending 3 days trying to figure out how to best masterbate with grilling tongs.....it's pointless. :p

[hollow river]

kyrian will rise!

[limber lion]

Sorry was during a pull

[fleet anchor]

Only 2.5k behind instead of 4.5k behind! 😮

[limber lion]

But a rupture is normally a 24s cast at 5CP

[fleet anchor]

Almost there guys

[limber lion]

If you reapply it, it increases the duration by 30%

[slow marsh]

Yeah kinda figured that's how it would go

[limber lion]

So you get to 32s

[fleet anchor]

lol

[limber lion]

That's why we had the double-garrote meta in 8.3 where you would gar rup gar

To increase the empower-garrote duration to the madx

[fleet anchor]

Well I don't like having completely broken stuff in the APL if I can help it

Even if it's pointless

[slow marsh]

I didn't play in 8.3 so maybe that's why I don't get it

[fleet anchor]

Easy fixes

Just related to 4pc really

[limber lion]

Sorry, 8.3

[modest glen]

Man i just spent hours grinding fae renown in thorghast and now this

[limber lion]

But yeh

reapplying a bleed increases the duration of it by its pandemic value

[fleet anchor]

Exsang APL has always been fragile

[slow marsh]

K that makes sense then I didn't know it got the pandemic value whether or not the remaining duration was in pandemic

[fleet anchor]

Still cursed, but at least logical

😛

[viscid spear]

Get back down there

[slow marsh]

Well we can assuredly be at peace that exsang has no chance of coming back then 😛

[fleet anchor]

I mean Alacrity saw to that

10% haste is ridiculously good

[slow marsh]

yeah

[viscid spear]

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

Threw my Crit-Haste ratio outta wack

[lean coral]

is raidbots updated with this new thing

[slow marsh]

It might go in nightly and be up tomorrow?

[hollow river]

@spice spire can i get a for this loot box

[fleet anchor]

Most of it is already in. Cev has some smaller improvements I need to test.

[limber lion]

Mostly yes, the rotation is honestly fuckywucky

[viscid spear]

So with Cev's pin saying Venthyr is looking best in ST 4pc, would it still be with Dusk?

[limber lion]

numbers look good though

yes

[slow marsh]

Just don't make me regret passing on everyone's favorite IQD from vault this morning

[viscid spear]

spoodermun

[wild beacon]

cev answered you 1 post in the past

[hollow river]

the vault scammed me 😦

[viscid spear]

My vault

Feral guildie got 272 Phial in his

[glass tulip]

where 278

[mortal pike]

LOL that's awkward

[hollow river]

i already have 259 tier shoulders

[timid cloud]

Minor upgrade.

[viscid spear]

I only did a lone +14

[glass tulip]

I would take the fat sack out of that vault

[timid cloud]

I got a sack for ya hotrod…

[brazen zodiac]

lol rq yall ever shadowstep to something, fall through the map, are then were unable to reconnect to your character? >.<

[viscid spear]

I'll be pogging more this week

[late birch]

that sack is huge

[hollow river]

sack is whack

[timid cloud]

Yeah it is.

[glass tulip]

[viscid spear]

Had this happen all the time in Siege of Orgrimmar when I was Outlaw using Spree on Immerseus and Shamans

[timid cloud]

I got a wiener for your buns.

🌭

[brazen zodiac]

lol not rly surehow to fix it xd

[timid cloud]

Log out sit on another character for 5m+

[viscid spear]

Really can't, it's just cursed luck

[timid cloud]

Wait for it to log out.

If not, ticket & ask for unstuck.

[brazen zodiac]

oh how long you think that'd take

[viscid spear]

Oh for getting back in, log in to another character for about 5 minutes

[timid cloud]

5m for the logout

[brazen zodiac]

ah kk

[timid cloud]

Or a bit longer

Ticket you can do from the website IIRC

[viscid spear]

Yeah, could just wait an hour if you're not super busy

[soft merlin]

I hope my fellow EU friends gets a nice vault in the morning

And also hope i wake up from this CT nightmare in ST

[bleak spoke]

wait are we ct in single

again

[hollow river]

i just simmed 4 target patchwerk on accident

lmfao

[bleak spoke]

oh

man like

[hollow river]

i saw 18k and was sweating

[bleak spoke]

how did you only sim 18k in 4t

what

[hollow river]

subtlety big guy

and ST talents

[bleak spoke]

ah

[hollow river]

no double leggo

etc

[bleak spoke]

idk like proc 4set more

idk what to tell you

[hollow river]

i dont have 4set

you're toxic

[bleak spoke]

[hollow river]

i just opened omegatrash vault ok

i'm coping

[bleak spoke]

[leaden talon]

Hey guys, new to here. Can someone clarify what cov I use with 2L 2/4Tier?

[bleak spoke]

faq

#assassination-faq

[hollow river]

ticking sack sims as highest upgrade =/

[bleak spoke]

down badbad

i took a socket this week

[spice spire]

sack gaming

[leaden talon]

@bleak spoke ty

I’ll check

[glass tulip]

Legendaries:
Single Legendary No Tier:
Venth: Obedience
Other Covenants: Dashing

Double Legendary No Tier:
All Covenants: Unity + Dashing

Single Legendary with 4pc:
All Covenants: Duskwalkers

Double Legendary with 4pc:
All Covenants: Unity + Duskwalkers

Zoldyck is used on Pantheon always, as well as Lords and m+ before double legendary. After double legendary, duskwalker is better in lords and m+

Covenants:
With no 4pc:
Single Target: Venthyr
AoE: Necrolord
M+: Venthyr for Priority DPS, Necro for Overall

With 4pc:
Single Target: Night Fae
AoE: Necrolord
M+: Venthyr for Priority DPS, Necro for Overall

Kyrian is too weak to be considered in any PvE situation

from the faq

[bleak spoke]

i was gonna take the iqd but like i have a mw in my raid

[spice spire]

i had 7 15+s done last week

and one 14 slot in vault

best upgrade was there

[hollow river]

i stayed up late to do 4 +15s last night

[spice spire]

2 weeks in a row

[hollow river]

and this is what i get

[bleak spoke]

[leaden talon]

Okay cool and just to clarify 2/4 reads as no tier?

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

down cataclysmic on vault results

[hollow river]

same

[bleak spoke]

anyone know the conditions to make venthyr sim better than nf

cuz its supposed to be better now yeah?

[hollow river]

yes

[spice spire]

it's not quite implemented iirc there's some dank shenanigans afoot with the logic tho

[lean coral]

so which xymox weap is best with venth sin now?

[viscid spear]

[bleak spoke]

ah

if it's not implemented then this is insanely close

they're 100 dps off for me

[hollow nexus]

does anyone have a set of aura filters for SUF?

[spice spire]

I think this is it

[hollow nexus]

want to remove things like sinful revelation but im a monkey and dont know how to do it

[bleak spoke]

alright i copy pasted that in the box

and nothing changed

i think

do i have to go in and add it in as a line or actually replace apl

i cba

i'm just going to enjoy having AR and blades

[spice spire]

pretty sure you have to place that in the APL. Go unethically enjoy your week 1 mythic 4p

but it will probably be updated in nightly by tomorrow, I'd think?

[bleak spoke]

it was actually heroic week

[spice spire]

[fleet anchor]

The stuff I mentioned is already in the APL

[spice spire]

oh

[bleak spoke]

oh

[spice spire]

[bleak spoke]

then its just not better for me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/Q8PmqaAC6NgpSBxzaDL3F https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cmSLEUFiUuuBgru64qBkfW idk

[fleet anchor]

Cev's pending changes are more just for the opener in terms of fixing up some of the ordering with CT and Shiv in the opener primarily

[bleak spoke]

oh should i be simming ct

[spice spire]

you don't have DD on nadjia

[bleak spoke]

wat

am i dumb

[spice spire]

you don't do triple pot nadjia, you take dauntless

and evne then, I can sim for haste tea rq

[gusty mirage]

sub rogue brains smh

@bleak spoke

[bleak spoke]

oxi if u keep flaming me i might fall in love with u

[limber lion]

and sim Theotar with haste tea

[hollow river]

@gusty mirage didn’t bless my vault this week and it shows

[gusty mirage]

tell me more

[hollow river]

Pray for 4th piece from reclears

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage good trinket or tier next week, this is your blessing, papi.

[bleak spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/reCkqQ7roneMwPwe2FCVpt wait this seems so cursed

MA MFD CT

MAN

[limber lion]

yes :)

[hollow river]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

that tracks

[limber lion]

like it says in the pin

2332223

[spice spire]

welcome to 9.2 sin

[gusty mirage]

have you seen my lord and savior dead-legendary-spike?

[spice spire]

🛑

[bleak spoke]

i'm actually excited to have deathspike on LOD

like

[gusty mirage]

they fixed it

no longer drops debuffs

[winged basin]

so after waiting 30 minutes for this sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mrhwmWrRBUTaiCXteqEVJA

[zinc frost]

Oh nice you got a socket grats man

[bleak spoke]

wait really

it doesn't drop dots anymore?

[gusty mirage]

[bleak spoke]

[winged basin]

and it wants me to use duskwalker before 4pc LMAO

[gusty mirage]

yeye they hotfixed it last night

[winged basin]

and my damage looks like poo on sims

[bleak spoke]

[gusty mirage]

deathspike STONKS on that fight tho

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[spice spire]

no MFD

[bleak spoke]

that fight makes me miss shrouded so much

[hollow river]

Do you guys have a T28 sim with Venthyr ?

[winged basin]

I. literally. got. told. no MFD. no CT. for sin. 2pc.

[limber lion]

what for

[winged basin]

the constant back and forth is making my brain hurt

[bleak spoke]

you were probably told "sim yourself, but usually this X or Y is best"

[hollow river]

A friend and I just want to take a look

[bleak spoke]

[winged basin]

im stressed, I just wanna optimize b4 raid mane

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vUELjunp971PrpRm5ifaeX

[hollow river]

Thank you cev

[limber lion]

the enchants are rigged, don't mind em

[hollow river]

Wdym rigged

[spice spire]

+300 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4dz4pgYiRH3TkRUnYWQ4u

[zinc frost]

Was this before the venth tech being found out?

[spice spire]

that's a cursed fucking sim tho

wtf

[limber lion]

why >:(

[winged basin]

no this was like an hour ago lmao

wait

why is it cursed

[bleak spoke]

jeweled signet of melandrus

[winged basin]

whats wrong with my sim quake 😠

[spice spire]

dusk before 4p @limber lion

also i had it on weekly, not nightly

[limber lion]

Oh shit ya

Makes sense with double legendary though

and Obedience

[spice spire]

yeah I guess, you're probably right

i'm double checking nightly, toad

[winged basin]

ight

also

[bleak spoke]

i don't want to be obedient anymore i'm a rebel

[winged basin]

100% I use the pinned opener then?

[slow marsh]

I have dusk before 4p too

[winged basin]

and then its just business as usual?

[spice spire]

you're fucking cursed, bud

[limber lion]

That's for 4p

so no

[spice spire]

[winged basin]

oh

my

lord

[spice spire]

sim is kosher

[winged basin]

sim is kosher

[spice spire]

everything remained the same

[winged basin]

so how do I play with mfd and ct

[bleak spoke]

man just like do a quick sim with your new setup and look at the cast sequence

[spice spire]

maintain ct at all times

and yeah do that

[winged basin]

ight, thank you. sorry for the mundane questions.

[limber lion]

The quick sim is fucked for Venthyr

I would not trust it

[bleak spoke]

nah dood, its all good, just calm down, it's not life or death, you'll still perform best off of following "normal rules" etc

oh ffs cev

[limber lion]

That's why I spent the morning making changes to it

[winged basin]

[timid cloud]

[bleak spoke]

oh nyo

[limber lion]

It's super scuffed because of the haste snapshot rule and MA rules

[bleak spoke]

i'm about to like just play nf

[limber lion]

I mean

[bleak spoke]

and be happy about having triple cds

[limber lion]

Go for it

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[timid cloud]

I'm gonna have an existential crisis here in a second.

[bleak spoke]

was at a dummy earlier and god damn having AR on sin feel good

[limber lion]

I'm still gonna play Necro on most bosses

[timid cloud]

Trust Top Gear, not Quick?

[limber lion]

why

what makes it feel good

[bleak spoke]

cuz the shouting makes me feel powerful

[fleet anchor]

At the end of the day, cast sequences as Assassination are kinda whatever tbh anyway. Other than a couple edge cases you could mix around half the globals randomly and only drop like 0.5% DPS. Which matters to Cev since he wants R1 on every pull, but for mortals it's kinda w/e. 😄

[timid cloud]

M'uh GCD's

[bleak spoke]

when you go RAWR after the sepsis expires

you go irl

[winged basin]

for mortals..

[timid cloud]

You do that with Nadjia too.

[winged basin]

im a mortal

[limber lion]

[polar cape]

Would you use that venthyr tech on lord?

[winged basin]

and I just want to know where I slip mfd and ct in the opener LMAO

[limber lion]

Yeh, but I also want consistency in the rotation because otherwise I would have to explain the rotation here

20 times a day

and I'm not about that life

[winged basin]

is it even APART of it

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean that's fair. 😛

[winged basin]

or is it after