assassination

[gusty mirage]

indeed

what varas and seli have been doing at high keys is definitely impressive

and definitely not the norm

[timid cloud]

Yeah. But if you’re just doing the homies weekly 15 no leaver don’t be a dick Funtime trap Monday an hour before reset maintenance then it doesn’t matter what you play.

[subtle tundra]

i've done some 20-22s as assa and the only reason i've been keeping up to other people is that they dont have 4p

[lean coral]

i give up on dungeon trinkets

[gusty mirage]

yeah I played against a 4pc survival hunter

and like bruh

how tf do you even compete

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I dunno how y’all do it.

[subtle tundra]

(spoiler, you dont)

[timid cloud]

I’m doing it now with 2P & I feel like I’m struggling.

[bleak sky]

btw @subtle tundra

when I started putting my toes in 26s last season I started feeling VERY behind. Felt like suddenly my damage was gone / not enough

how the fuck do you do your keys?

[timid cloud]

Just DIES before I get one full round of bleeds out.

[gusty mirage]

I started earlier than 25+

I got to 23s

and I'm like why am I putting in more effort for nothing

and hard switched lol

[bleak sky]

up until the 25s I was fine, as long as it wasn't SD/Halls

[storm belfry]

To sub?

[timid cloud]

Tbh. If they fixed sin issues like…. 1 CP fans or 1 cp garrotes it’s just fucking cringe.

[subtle tundra]

you get that feeling since you started playing more optimised groups with better players, your damage stays the same while they can still pump harder

[gusty mirage]

yeah I didn't play sin outside of top

[storm belfry]

On 25 and higher?

[gusty mirage]

I never got to 25s

I peaked at 24s

and 23s

#puglife

[storm belfry]

I feel that

[fleet anchor]

Sounds like you aren’t getting enough 4pc procs if you need 2 buttons. 🤣

[subtle tundra]

pretty sure sub is better than assa in top* with 4p

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[storm belfry]

I was basically saying before tier

I don’t have any tier rn. Plus my rogue is an alt

[fleet anchor]

I just press Black Powder 8 times in a row 👌

[gusty mirage]

probably yeah, maybe you could argue sin w/ 4pc in top tyran

but even then

the ramp up time alone isn't even worth tbh

[timid cloud]

It’ll probably be better since the generation when it won’t be complete dogshit.

[storm belfry]

I mean the AOE is quite literally shiruken and bomb lmao. It’s brain dead

[timid cloud]

Like it is now.

[fleet anchor]

Mostly kidding but 4pc is nuts in keys for Sub

[lean coral]

i swear 90% of my procs happen during tornado

[timid cloud]

Black Powder spamming.

[subtle tundra]

assa is only better than sub in pure ST and 2 target
and the difference isnt that big

[timid cloud]

[storm belfry]

Yeah a guildie of mine has 2p and it’s nuts. I can’t wait for him to get 4

[bleak sky]

skilled player, release a guide for the mortals that can't proc, Koji

[gusty mirage]

plus if you got lucky with 259 EoN

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

you're set on daggers until you clear mythic rygelon

kek

[timid cloud]

^

[bleak sky]

damn gotta nerf daggers

[timid cloud]

4heeed

[gusty mirage]

I'll cut you

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

Maybe if they improved the damage from weapons for sub….

Then we’ll get another Zul incident.

[gusty mirage]

I wonder if whitelisting deeper daggers will fix it

[timid cloud]

Then RIP sub for another expansion.

It would.

[subtle tundra]

still mad that that shit works on all shadow dmg

[timid cloud]

18% increased damage right now, from a 265?

That’s a bit heavy.

Meanwhile LP is dogshit

[subtle tundra]

isnt that the only case where you get to affect everything???

[timid cloud]

& WPS

[gusty mirage]

imagine if shiv worked on all nature damage

[timid cloud]

Technically PE.

Since it’s crit.

[subtle tundra]

we'd be phialing that bitch up

[gusty mirage]

yup

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[gusty mirage]

2pc worked on axe from xymox trinket

[timid cloud]

Flayed wing toxic

[subtle tundra]

• nw trinket

^

[timid cloud]

Yeah

SHEEEESSH

or an ooze?!

SHEEEEEESH

[gusty mirage]

probably ooze

[timid cloud]

I love me one of them oozy boys.

[gusty mirage]

it'd be neat

[subtle tundra]

sync ooze proc with shiv?!??!?!?!

[timid cloud]

SHEEEEESH

But real shit though.

[bleak sky]

grim codex is my biggest upgrade for sub

[subtle tundra]

maybe we do need another aura buff...

[timid cloud]

Bring back Shrouded, & fix FOK to not be dogshit.

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

it's got "SHADOW DAMAGE" written on it

[subtle tundra]

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

STOP

Criminal scum.

[brazen zodiac]

hi !

[bleak sky]

waddup vita

[gusty mirage]

imagine if adrenaline rush wasn't whitelisted

[timid cloud]

Yeah real shit.

[gusty mirage]

how good would toxic onslaught be then?

[brazen zodiac]

just made my 5th lengedary :))))))))

[subtle tundra]

wait, so we dont get reduced gcd???????????????????????????????????

[brazen zodiac]

need 15k more to make the last :))))))))))

[gusty mirage]

it works for snd

[limber lion]

Lol no

[subtle tundra]

sdihaweoiufhijhnx ivuhgtruiyvg9q[pwp9euf483

[bleak sky]

varas about to alt f4 from the rogue

[limber lion]

TO is still 1k dps upgrade

[subtle tundra]

how much in m+

tell me its about 3k

[limber lion]

Idfk

[gusty mirage]

imagine the dps stonks if we got the gcd reduction

[lethal coral]

Can we talk about how it sucks to be an assassination rogue when opening up with empowered garrotes on relics.

[subtle tundra]

i dont

[lethal coral]

Incredible power play

[gusty mirage]

I don't even bother lmao

[timid cloud]

Just need the frames.

[bleak sky]

don't target the relics

[storm belfry]

Yeah I ignore them bitches

[timid cloud]

I just hit the other targets.

[oak sky]

Nobody wants to play celerity

[gusty mirage]

no one mentioned celerity young andrew

[timid cloud]

You ever have 1 legendary for an entire expansion?

[subtle tundra]

i play with a group that even when i triple eviscerate a relic we can get the wrong one

[bleak sky]

more damage = more gooder

[timid cloud]

[storm belfry]

[lethal coral]

Same. I’m so fucking over relics. For the record i do not open up on relics but my tab targeting is scuffed on large pulls now.

It’s incredible

I don’t know if anyone else feels it

[gusty mirage]

oh I feel it

[oak sky]

I think its fine once the relic dies

[bleak sky]

Yeah it's a shit affix

[lethal coral]

Yeah, then I can re vanish and get my empowered garrotes back, and I lose a lot of dps. I cry

[bleak sky]

they should've made Tormentors 2.0

[timid cloud]

Garrote damage is not what it used to be.

[strange python]

I definitely do lol

[gusty mirage]

they should have just brought back reaping

made them robots instead of ghosts

[timid cloud]

So it’s not gonna kill you.

[gusty mirage]

gg made the next affix for you blizz

pls paypal me money

[timid cloud]

Didn’t copyright.

YOINK

[bleak sky]

you now get Farruth
his powers is

Sword of Poisonous Booboo

[gusty mirage]

if only that's how that works

[timid cloud]

Thanks for the paycheck Bobby boy…

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

LOL

[lethal coral]

I take what I can get when I can, 5 combo finisher w/ vanish and empowered garrotes =

[gusty mirage]

see you in court buddy

I'mma steal your tier pieces so I can get 4pc

sue you for your tier

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

wait, you got helm or pants?

[timid cloud]

I only got shoulders hands on main rogue

Alt has pants

[gusty mirage]

okay I'm suing you for your alt rogue's pants so I can get 4pc

[timid cloud]

LOL

Hunter is gonna get more tier than main I can feel it…

[bleak sky]

lawyers power tripping SMH My head

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[oak sky]

Do people actually want this because I wouldve been so bored

[timid cloud]

Game is lawyer diffy

[bleak sky]

idk but better than this affix

[gusty mirage]

keep talking, I'll send my boy Ion a letter talking lawyer to lawyer @bleak sky

[oak sky]

1 month from expac announcement

[bleak sky]

DRAGON ISLES

omggggg dragonsssssss

[timid cloud]

Oh lord…

[bleak sky]

watch them bring back magni

[timid cloud]

Not the INSANE BLIZZARD EMPLOYEE LEAKS

[oak sky]

Not being hyped about an update to a poggers game

[timid cloud]

The ones that always come out.

[bleak sky]

and his lil dwarf ass complaining about AZERITE

[brazen zodiac]

dragons are pretty cool :)

[oak sky]

Wdym i love the fanfics

[brazen zodiac]

yo we're able to cloak and soak the blue orb on rygelon right

[bleak sky]

yes

wait

[bleak sky]

yes

[timid cloud]

Instead of getting some azerite he should get some bitches.

[brazen zodiac]

cloak then walk in or just walk in, tank for a bit, then soak it

[timid cloud]

Yeah There’s a strat to soak it.

It takes a second to explode.

Just stand in it after it dies.

You can’t solo it though.

Unless you mean the other ones that are not the tank mechanic.

[brazen zodiac]

is the blue orb the mechanic where it puts on adot on you the longer you like afk around it, the small white cirlcle thats around hya

[timid cloud]

The ones upstairs or downstairs I should’ve asked for clarification.

Yeah. Sorry.

[brazen zodiac]

oh no i was talkin about the upstairs soak

[timid cloud]

You can.

[brazen zodiac]

i didnt know you could soak the tank one downstairs seems like it kinda just boons u sideways

[timid cloud]

It’s supposedly not soakable solo

We just make tanks soak it with their personals.

Brews shit on Rygelon.

[brazen zodiac]

watcha do for the blue orb upstairs

ah do they now

apparently not in pugs ;)

[timid cloud]

Cause they can dodge his abilities.

I just eat it.

[bleak sky]

brew dodging 🤝 dks parrying

[timid cloud]

You can CV & eat it.

Or cloak.

I soloed one for our prog & it didn’t really fuck me up.

[brazen zodiac]

weird i feel like i cloak it run into it and it doesnt disappear or anything

guess im not stayin in it long enough or somethin

[timid cloud]

I didn’t get to test it a whole lot.

Cause it doesn’t always spawn in melee.

When it does it kinda just got eaten up.

But I think you had to pick it up then cloak it.

[red cloak]

how do you guys switch targets accurately in dungeons to multi dot or switch prio

[glass tulip]

Tab targeting

Or clicking if there's a whole ton of mobs

[red cloak]

I feel like maybe I’m tab targeting wrong do you use the scan hold feature or just spam it

[hollow river]

Usually just click the health plates of the mobs

If you really need to

[torn atlas]

If there's an important kick and I have time I'll click.

But usually tab.

[hollow river]

I guess with the new affix you kinda have to this season

[torn atlas]

Move your camera/direction to help encourage the target selection.

[hollow river]

Don’t wanna tab into the little affix guys with garrotes

[red cloak]

I just feel kinda flustered with having so many targets at one time

[hollow river]

Mouse over spells are also good

For SBS for example

[red cloak]

what’s SBS am I dumb

[hollow river]

Necro ability

[red cloak]

oh that

[hollow river]

Yeah

[red cloak]

yeah I just don’t wanna fuck up

what’s our BiS Legos right now for pve?

[hollow river]

Depends on multiple things

The pins should have all the answers you need

Depends on if you have tier set, your covenant, the type of content/encounter.

[red cloak]

that’s a lot of stuff I don’t have or know how to get yet lmao I got a lot of catching up to do

from what I’m reading Duskwalker’s Patch looks really good

Doomblade looks good too

[brazen inlet]

whats the covenant ability macro? the one i have doesnt have NF in it

[bleak sky]

pinned in #wow-general

[hollow river]

Duskwalkers is better after you have your 4set

[red cloak]

I don’t think I understand the point of Unity

is it just quality of life?

[oak sky]

It lets you have a 2nd legendary

And it changes based on your covenant

You have to use it or you cant do double leggo

[red cloak]

so I’d have Unity (Obediance) + Duskwalker

okay now I get it

[oak sky]

Yeah thats the idea

Only dusk only gets strong with the 4p set

And nf gets strong with the 4p set as well

[red cloak]

I didn’t start playing until Eternity’s End released

[oak sky]

Yeah thats ok

A lot to learn but you can pick stuff up pretty fast

[strange python]

Is necrolord as easy as it seems? Bonespike adds, don't let it overcap charges, use during gemstone?

[oak sky]

None of them are really hard specifically

[strange python]

I mean fair, but flag at least took some getting used to because of timings

Lining shit up and maximizing stacks

[red cloak]

yeah Flag is lit though

SBS was cool, Sepsis was something that was good but having to pay attention to the timer for the free Ambush was annoying esp if it overwrote a blindside proc and the kyrian one is just gay lmao

[oak sky]

When you play marileth its a little different

[strange python]

I'd only be playing Necro for raid cleave fights, which I think is just heirmir?

[oak sky]

Cleave add marileth is pretty giga

[strange python]

O

[oak sky]

Also m+ idk if you just play sub

[strange python]

I only do m+ for cache

[oak sky]

Ye

[strange python]

So is it marileth or heirmir for pantheon/lords? Assuming NF for the rest.

[oak sky]

Oh yeah heirmir for sure

At least for nkw

[red cloak]

what the hell is marileth and heirmir

[oak sky]

Iirc marileth can be pretty strong with deathspike so it might start simming higher

[oak sky]

Soulbinfs

Soulbinds

[strange python]

K. Gemstone rule is: throw out SBS on adds for full uptime, only rip the primary target SBS during gemstone?

[oak sky]

Yep

[strange python]

Or rather, dump charges during gemstone?

[oak sky]

But never overcap

[strange python]

Like if it's pantheon p3 and gemstone window, dump whatever charges I got left?

On the various targets ofc

Or just one each

[oak sky]

You always hit all targets

[strange python]

I mean

[oak sky]

But then when gemstone hits you dump what you have

[strange python]

Use all 5? Or just 4?

Kk

[oak sky]

Oh i see what you mean

With deathspike you just get the bleed on all targets

Then you would dump in gemstone or spend them in shiv with marileth

[strange python]

Kk

Sounds...easy

Just get gemstone WA

[oak sky]

Again, sims could change us to marileth with deathspike, not too sure

[red cloak]

oh yeah idek how to use those yet

[strange python]

We're on lihuvim so it won't matter till lords. Doubt I'll be in on pantheon for awhile

There's like 4 rogue kills of Pantheon lmfao

[oak sky]

Yeah its pretty much just a talent tree for your covenant

[strange python]

Rip sigil dream

[rocky sluice]

what's the best way to sim assassinatian for protype pantheon and lords of dread? (necrolord)

pathwerk?..

patch*

[strange python]

You can sim 2 target for lords I believe.

[oak sky]

2t patchwerk for lords

[strange python]

Pantheon is a little weirder

[oak sky]

And probably 4t execute for pantheon

[strange python]

It's generally difficult to sim for very specific fights because they can be dynamic

[rocky sluice]

thanks for your quick replies guys

[strange python]

First half of Pantheon is 2t for example. Mostly.

[oak sky]

4t execute won't be the highest overall dam but it should be the most valuable

[strange python]

How the fuck do I get sbs and sepsis condies up now

Ugh

[oak sky]

M+

[strange python]

Gross

I'd have to do them as Necro/nf

[oak sky]

Do a 15 in a necro dungeon as necro and a 15 as fae in a nf dungeon

[strange python]

I just want 255 for now or whatever

Should be a vendor item somewhere to get em up to at least that

[oak sky]

Then korthia or buy the conduit thing in haven

[strange python]

I'm not excited to craft and recraft leggos over and over

To account for the order I upgrade my tier in

Interesting were back to DS now

[umbral rapids]

what legendary you peeps playing on lords ?

[oak sky]

Zold

[umbral rapids]

oh sick

i'm not sure if i want to play outlaw or sin there but kinda want to give sin a shot

[oak sky]

Sin is probably better but outlaw is a great choice too

[umbral rapids]

the aoe phase sounds very awkward tho

[oak sky]

You just play normal

[umbral rapids]

like, there's nothing to do ? you just play normally

yeah

actually gonna be a very dumb question

when do you use fok as builder over mutilate ?

if ever

[oak sky]

4t

At 3t you can use it to apply deadly poison

[umbral rapids]

ah so maybe i should've done that on pantheon

[oak sky]

Yeah

[hollow river]

i cba FoKing on pantheon

[oak sky]

Just do less damage i guess

[hollow river]

getting trolled by no crits

[oak sky]

During vendetta mut is probably better

But thats just a guess this is not gameplay advice

[hollow river]

don't really care about damage in heroic honestly

just need bosses to die

[real bay]

big true, dama is shit w/o set anyway

[umbral rapids]

yeah i kinda yolo'd it ngl

bad shiv usage though and stuff

very not familiar to the spec kek

lords should be a little more chill

[oak sky]

Boss dies faster if you do more damage idk

[oak sky]

Shiv usage is slam

[umbral rapids]

yeah i ended up figuring that out later

well i know that

but the 2P kinda threw me off ?

like i kept trying to get bleeds up before pressing it

[zinc frost]

📠

[hollow river]

not always true

[oak sky]

🤔

[hollow river]

depends if you have assignments that don't end up with you doing more damage

[oak sky]

ok

but doing more damage

[limber lion]

https://c.tenor.com/tv3Yr2A2I4kAAAAM/nerd-ackchyually.gif

[oak sky]

while youre only doing damage

kills the boss faster

ie

pressing fok

[hollow river]

sure

[oak sky]

like

[umbral rapids]

prob subterfuge on lords ? @oak sky

[oak sky]

idk why you even bothered saying that bro

[hollow river]

but does it really matter

[oak sky]

yer

[hollow river]

in heroic

nah

[oak sky]

depends on how you think about it

[umbral rapids]

hey you said you cared about the boss dying

dug your own grave there ngl

[hollow river]

kek

[limber lion]

Ok this is the dumbest thing I've heard today, sorry Tricky

[hollow river]

i don't care

lmao

[limber lion]

It's okay to play worse because it's heroic

Oki

[oak sky]

its just 1 button you spam different

[hollow river]

yeah or press fok 4 times for 1 cp a pop

hella fun

[limber lion]

What does it have anything to do with thw difficulty of the raid though?

[hollow river]

i just cba with that particular thing

because everything in heroic flops

idc about parse

in heroic

[oak sky]

its not parse

[limber lion]

Oh okay

[oak sky]

i mean i guess it is

[hollow river]

yeah idk im not like

[oak sky]

but i just do it because I know it does more

[hollow river]

trying to say anything isn't optimal or is

[limber lion]

I also like to afk every fight just because it's heroic

[hollow river]

i just do not give 2 shits

[limber lion]

Fuck it

[umbral rapids]

honestly i just do it cause it's always good practice regardless

[oak sky]

it comes pretty natural to me from doing m+ anyway

[echo geyser]

i thought we always play subterfurge now

[oak sky]

i just kinda attack

[oak sky]

only 4p gamers

[umbral rapids]

just with nf no?

[oak sky]

and 2t

[umbral rapids]

oh 4P

[hollow river]

prolly could ngl

[echo geyser]

4p gamers

[umbral rapids]

[hollow river]

we also have sub player

on pantheon

and you do too cev

so

[limber lion]

Inting raid because it's heroic unluck

[hollow river]

ye talk to anyone playing sub for that boss as well

inting raid unluck

[limber lion]

I'm not talking about comp

Or anyone else

I'm talking about you

Whatever spec you play

There is no reason to sandbag "just because it's heroic"

But yeh, that's all

[hollow river]

not really sandbagging

especially when you need to equalize the health pools if they aren't

[limber lion]

You can play any spec you want, intentionally playing it worse is sandbagging

[hollow river]

you actually need to mut whatever RL says to hit more

[limber lion]

This wasn't your argument though

You never said this

This goes for all difficulties

Yoy want to prio on someting to equalize hp

[hollow river]

.

[limber lion]

Regardless of difficulty

[hollow river]

ok man

get off my ass

later

[obtuse robin]

[limber lion]

It's like blue-parsers saying "yeh I parse bad because idc about heroic" as if you could parse a 100 on every boss otherwise

But yeh

[echo geyser]

[zinc frost]

But not playing optimally is not even about parsing anymore it’s just not caring about heroic and kinda inting the raid a bit..

[oak sky]

the most inting i do even in normal is not swapping my covenant

[hollow river]

caring about heroic parses is just cringe

[limber lion]

Yep. Also when do you care about optimal play?

During prog? Cringe

During farm? Cringe

[oak sky]

idk like caring about heroic parses is fine if you have a goal for it or you enjoy parsing

[limber lion]

I guess parsing is always cringe

[oak sky]

thinking heroic parses matter could be cringe but caring about them isnt

[limber lion]

And playing your spec well is cringe

I've heard "idc about prog parse, I just want to kill the boss" and "idc about farm parse, we just onebang each boss and move on"

Just play well *everytime, everywhere *

[oak sky]

we love a prog parse as long as we don't int the raid for damage

[umbral rapids]

^ that

[limber lion]

No matter the difficulty

[oak sky]

its actually a sexual feeling to get a sick prog parse

[limber lion]

Mythic, heroic, normal, lfr

Just play like a god everytime

[oak sky]

ok lfr

[umbral rapids]

Sometimes it’s a fact you can’t parse on prog cause of specific assignments

[oak sky]

and thats ok

[umbral rapids]

Sure

[limber lion]

Yeh

[obtuse robin]

thats literally how bad habits start

[limber lion]

And sometimes you can't parse on farm because you get mechanics dumped on you

Unlucky

[spice spire]

if mechanics ever get dumped on you, it's time to mass message mister pushnoir

[oak sky]

cant wait to stack missiles on halondrus on the tanks

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Idk about you boys, but I tryhard, everytime. No reason not to.

[oak sky]

not in lfr

but definitely in all relevant bosses

all the time

[limber lion]

That's fair

[hollow river]

imo playing the optimal spec>playing 100% optimally in some cases

[obtuse robin]

cev cares about his other raid members exp

[oak sky]

and heroic is currently relevant

[oak sky]

definitely not

seen cev play before?

[limber lion]

Hell no.

Playing the spec you want and enjoy playing >>>>>>>>>>>>> playing the optimal spec

Just be the best at your spec and the class you want to play

[hollow river]

and that's your opinion which you're entitled to

same as i

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber lion]

You don't have to play the fotm every week

[oak sky]

happy players don't int as hard

[hollow river]

i mean yeah i could see that

[oak sky]

personally i think this tier is a good one to learn and improve at sub

[hollow river]

if you don't want to play anything but your OTP spec

go ahead

[oak sky]

so I'll be playing sub for a couple bosses

[hollow river]

that's your personal experience

[limber lion]

Yeh, play any spec you want

[hollow river]

everyone is allowed to play the game how they want, how they see as fun, to the extent that their raid will allow ig

[limber lion]

If you wanna play Sub, go for it. Play it to the best of your ability

Exactly

Just like I've said

Play anything you want

As well as you can

[hollow river]

sure

[limber lion]

Wanna play affli warlock? Go off king

[hollow river]

but if you can do more as another spec, even though you don't know it as well, it still does more

[limber lion]

Yes

[hollow river]

just depends on if you want to ig

[limber lion]

And if you want to change specs

Because you want to do more damage

You should

But yoy shouldn't spam BP on single target just "because it's heroic"

Always aim to play the best that you can

That way you'll get better

And get more consistent

Difficulty does not matter

It's all the same

You press buttons until boss flops

[obtuse robin]

i dont do more dps as sub even tho it sims higher

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

I personally know that Sub sims higher for me, but I still made the conscious choice to stay Assa

[oak sky]

when i didnt have kyrian leggo i didnt play sub because I figured venth sub was close enough that execution still mattered

[limber lion]

And I will play it as well as I possibly can

[real bay]

why play anything else if you cant play it as well as ASsa for example. sure in theory its better but not really

[limber lion]

I still think you should just play whatever spec you want

[obtuse robin]

had a guildy ask me whyu i dont play sub last week

[zinc frost]

I thought we all played sin cause we all had boomer hands

[obtuse robin]

legit just told him i dont play it anywhere near as well

[limber lion]

If you wanna play sub because it's more deeps, go for it. If you wanna play Surv hunter because it's more fun, go for it

Just always aim to play at your best

[brazen zodiac]

time to quit the rogue life and become the next big surv hunter

anyone can do it

[limber lion]

Regardless of difficulty

Regardless of parses

[obtuse robin]

blackpowder on st?

i just read that

[limber lion]

Be the best you that you can be

Everywhere

All the time

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[spice spire]

wholesome

[brazen zodiac]

so sweet

hi quake

[oak sky]

i have a guildie that always roasts me for being a one trick

and hes a fury warrior one trick

[obtuse robin]

and thats why he is a former rwf gamer

they usually have that mentallity

[echo geyser]

spoken like a true OTP

[echo geyser]

FeelsStrongMan

[obtuse robin]

meanwhile on the pirate side

[umbral rapids]

Me with sin right now haha

[indigo ginkgo]

so do we clip garrotes and ruptures during vendetta windows with 4p?

[oak sky]

you refresh in pandemic, never overwrite a subterfuge garrote, and your last 2 globals should be garrote and rupture to get the overhang

[indigo ginkgo]

thanks

[slow marsh]

did someone say survival ?

[alpine latch]

Hey @gusty mirage @bleak sky - I beat Quake in a key: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3vdgZ1tHnGPM4q6F/#fight=last

Nevermind the fact that he was missing for 2 pulls because he had to relog

We are ignoring that part

[bleak sky]

quake is WASHED

(good job improving palmer)

[alpine latch]

I actually hit Flag tonight

So that's cool

And ty

Sub is starting to click - but I may still raid as Sin for a bit

[spice spire]

I missed the two of the bigger pulls altogether

[versed cobalt]

Anyone have a stance macro for assassination?

[alpine latch]

The hunter did 50k on the pull you weren't there for, lol

[spice spire]

Well, that’s 4p MM homie

Dude was yoked with gear

DPS while active

[echo mantle]

What weapon am i aiming for with Cache of Acquired Treasures?

[bleak sky]

!cache

'For the Cache, use Axe. Axe is close in single target, which makes it an easy recommendation overall, but loses to sword in lust "

[echo geyser]

!cache

[alpine latch]

One day I'll have 4pc 😦

[storm belfry]

and one day I'll get tier

[alpine latch]

I only have normal gloves

[brazen zodiac]

278 tier piece check

[bleak sky]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[candid badger]

is it a good week to run duskwalkers in keys, like a top? or is zoldyck always better in keys?

[hollow river]

Usually always Zoldycks. Duskwalkers is after you have 4 set

Obedience is decent in keys as well if Venthyr

[candid badger]

yeah i have 4pc that's why i'm asking mainly

[hollow river]

Then you run Duskwalkers always

[errant swallow]

Has anyone tried all raid as assassination? Do you feel you're slacking as you could perform better as sub

[candid badger]

doing a 20 top and i have to go necro so just wasn't sure between zoldyck or duskwalkers

[hollow river]

Me personally yeah sub just does better on most fights. But you should play what you enjoy/are good at.

[errant swallow]

Agreed

[hollow river]

Yeah dusk is better for basically every cov

[errant swallow]

Don't think meta will change much after 2 Legos

[hollow river]

Maybe check the spreadsheet

Make sure I’m not lying lol since it’s not double leggo yet

But afaik it’s Dusk everywhere once 4 set

[hollow river]

Well sin will catch up a bit

[errant swallow]

Yep

Sub with Finality and Obe will be awesome in keys

[hollow river]

But sub just fucks a lot of these bosses

I love sin and can’t wait to play it with 4p but more dps is more dps

[errant swallow]

I'm in that exact same situation

[strange python]

can you have 2 legendary rings?

[hollow river]

no

[strange python]

feck

[red plaza]

if your 2nd legendary other than unity can be on ring

right?

[hollow river]

unity can go on ring too but we're using ring for Dusk

rings are unique equip

[strange python]

like for assassin dusk and unity ring

[hollow river]

nope

can't do it

[strange python]

wts 291 lego ring

[hollow river]

lol rip

[glossy tulip]

I'm heart broken for you lol

[hollow river]

They sell really fast

Hopefully ya didn’t lose any gold

[strange python]

yea i just have to battle the AH goblins

i might just wait until wednesday where itll peak and sell fast

[hollow escarp]

post it for 12 hours and try to keep uptime high on AH 🙂

[hollow river]

any time i've posted a leggo item it sold pretty dang quick

you might have to repost a couple times but shouldn't be too difficult

[storm belfry]

253 ilvl, no tier, 17 mists - 10,3k overall good/avg?

[bleak sky]

[zinc frost]

Did you time the key?

[storm belfry]

yeah

[zinc frost]

Then it’s decent

[storm belfry]

I think we had 3 mins left

okay ty

also was runnin zoldyck as nf

[zinc frost]

NF?

[storm belfry]

fairy gang

[hollow river]

for the conduit maybe

or just gang gang

[storm belfry]

nah man just gang gang

i had it 252 BUT i did get the 265 so win win

[hollow river]

gang gang

[rotund oak]

3 more days left

[wild beacon]

I like your confidence

[rotund oak]

very hyped for assa this tier

gonna sht on everything and eveyrone

[bleak sky]

Excited to see you beating Cev, sap

[rotund oak]

dunno if i can do that,not that epxerienced but im gonna definitely try

[balmy condor]

I heard he’s into getting shit on

Rumor round the streets ya know

Through the vine of various grapes

[bleak sky]

europeans smh my head

[balmy condor]

He’s got nothing but snow and cold up there

I’d go crazy too

Smh (Sweden means hell)

[spice spire]

I find mfers like u real interesting bro

[balmy condor]

Damn I find me interesting too

[glass tulip]

also how could you "go crazy"

are you deluded into thinking you arent already?

[strange python]

i also find me interesting

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/googly-eyes-bonkers-crazy-crazyeyes-gif-18140365

[pure moth]

we're all crazy already

[rotund oak]

whispyr is interesting,also needs love and worship(cat in disguise)

[next dune]

Am I reading the faq right? Will we use Duskwalkers in M+ even without set with double leggo?

[balmy condor]

Faq is written for 4piece

You would not use Duskwalker anywhere without 4piece

[spice spire]

i find mfs like u really interesting bro. i ain't gon lie sepulcher of the first ones is kinda like a personal thing to me you get what i'm saying. it's just like a personal vibe u feel me. what's really crazy is you wouldn't even raid this if u ain't see me loot tier u get what i'm saying. i don't even think u really want it like that tbh bro. so go ahead find yourself something to play bro go open your steam bro this not steam this the internet u get what i'm saying. this raid insane though shit

[next dune]

ah k, just making sure. Thanks. Returning player, so will be awhile and was looking for a leggo to carry me a bit.

[balmy condor]

Would probably make a zoldyck

To hold you over

Would still be used in certain situations like pantheon

[next dune]

Yeah looks that way, thanks for the info

[rotund oak]

isnt without 4p necro doomblade the play?

[hollow escarp]

it is even with 4 set

[spice spire]

If you check pins there’s an abundance of info.
But Zoldyck’s is pretty dank.
Best for a couple fights and is good in m+.
Any legendary you make before then will be auto replaced by duskwalkers, while Zoldyck’s is situationally used still

[spice spire]

No

[rotund oak]

thats what im passively implying 😛

[hollow escarp]

or are you talking about future?

[balmy condor]

Doomblade

[rotund oak]

we would normally necro for any multitarget scenario

[spice spire]

Dusk is a massive gain once you get 4p

[rotund oak]

NF is ST

[rotund oak]

true

[next dune]

lol yeah thats the boat im in. want something I wont trash down the road. Since it wont make any sense to upgrade my obedience right now, and my doomblade is still 262 so will use that for raid

[rotund oak]

when u open ur stream,im there eating pizza like a boomer watching rogue stuff and trackmania stuff and sim stuff

[fading mason]

Is it normal that my statweaight are reverse when using 4set Necro https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7JapDsMZggsV5obDRp4fag

[fading mason]

thats true but my top gear sim also simmed that i should socket and encchant mastery

[limber lion]

Then do that

[balmy condor]

Yeah that just means you don’t have a lot of it atm

[rotund oak]

oxi said something y'day about 4p might need mastery

[balmy condor]

You enchant mastery

And all of a sudden mastery is a terrible stat again

Because that’s how stat weights work

[tired marlin]

How is assa vs sub in m+ with full set and 2xleggo, getting closer or are sub still king? just back to Rogue. Thanks 🙂

[balmy condor]

Sin bad

Sub good

[rotund oak]

sub is far superior to other rogue specs

[tired marlin]

Thanks guys

[bleak sky]

sin fine until high keys

outlaw fine until high keys

sub super chad anywhere

[hollow escarp]

wtf

[vestal wren]

sry cat

[hollow escarp]

[tired marlin]

😂

[tired marlin]

Tnx

[inland heath]

what is the play for mythic+ main character venthyr+ dusk, or necro + zoldyck?

[bleak sky]

dusk is only when 4p

and then necro vs venth is preference

[inland heath]

feel like dusk+ venth will line up flag with vendeta all the time could be nice to play with

[bleak sky]

do you have 4 set?

[inland heath]

2 p

[bleak sky]

then don't play dusk

[inland heath]

but for the long run

just an alt that only does m+

[bleak sky]

when you get 4 set you're stuck with dusk forever anyway

necro, venth, fae, doesn't matter

it's all dusk

[inland heath]

k

ty

[solid mica]

Are there fights on mythic that make us want zoldyck with 4p 2leg? Pantheon and anything else?

Not sure how much changes from heroic to mythix

[balmy condor]

You could make an argument for first boss because it’s not a real fight before the boss hits 20% or whatever

But other than those, it’s a pretty rough sell

Some people were like oh but lords of dread

But that sounds terrible tbh

[slow marsh]

Even on lords

the 1min vend is better

[solid mica]

Yeah, I'm mainly playing sub so if I'm playing sin its where subs bad, wondwring if I can sneak unity of feet or if imma need zoldyck for a fight or two

[slow marsh]

zold had its time these couple of weeks

[timid cloud]

Gone but not forgotten.

[solid mica]

So probably just pantheon then?

For zold

[slow marsh]

i wouldn't even say pantehon

personally

i think that dusk gives more value in the first two phases than zold gives in last but

[timid cloud]

I think I’m staying with it with 2P

Zoldyck

[slow marsh]

oh yeah for 2p for sure

I was under the assumption of 4p

[slender berry]

Honestly I don't see anyone wiping to the 15% phase once they get there and have assigned heal cds

People only wipe in first phase to people getting hit but I guess that doesn't really get better with our legendary choice

[balmy condor]

Yeah but p3 is the pain tbh

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you can still say that it’s more important damage

That’s the argument at least

I don’t agree with it

[slow marsh]

very true

[limber lion]

Exactly, that's also why you use Zoldyck because it gives you the best value in a fight where you have adds constantly spawning and dying fast where you can't get much use out of your cooldowns.

Don't get much use out of Dusk, Doomblade or Obedience there

[rotund oak]

doesnt that contradict kinda the ''execute range bleed''?Since we wont have enough time to actually have those bleeds ''bleed adds out''

or its just that u press shiv on that specific hp-range of adds

[slow marsh]

It's more that you are dotting everything up and moving on. No other legendary is giving value at that point in those situations

[rotund oak]

hmm

true,none of the leggos we got givesanything close to that

dashing makes no sense whatsoever,bloodfang either

only thing i can think of is finality

other than zoldycks

[limber lion]

You play the encounter like you would in m+

It's just a m+ simulatir

[rotund oak]

yeah prety much

[limber lion]

Dslice without restealths

One boss

Multiple add waves

[rotund oak]

we would prefer subter talent over MA still aight

[slow marsh]

I just play the 'how long can I get Kevin to stack' mini game

[limber lion]

Kinda whtever honestly

[oak sky]

kevin the goat

90%+ uptime every key

[rotund oak]

kevin gigachad

[slow marsh]

You get a lot of value out of subt on vigi

[rotund oak]

had vigilant guardian hc like y'day

was nowhere the whole fight

ended 1st D:

idk why ppl just play aoe specs or suck ST

and im not even close on having good gear either

[slow marsh]

Sounds like your warriors were asleep

[rotund oak]

we got one MS war,we got a monk a DH 2 DKs

oh

and an enh sham

[bleak sky]

MS war?

tf is that

[rotund oak]

arms

[bleak sky]

oh

[rotund oak]

MS as mortal strike

[slow marsh]

Feel like a lot of fights are really well suited for dk but everyone abandoned ship and now the only ones left are sussy

[bleak sky]

isn't it just like

anduin and lords?

[rotund oak]

yeah,feels like frost DKs are fun tbh

idk,dk has either necro slappy hands and NF 2t cleave

[slow marsh]

I mean UH should in theory be real good but I guess it's just tuned poorly right now ? Idk.

[rotund oak]

Our DK plays both UH and Frost,UH looks like it has alot of initial burst but pipes down

frost is more constant pumping

Ild legit try frost if i didnt pick a druid for alt already

[slow marsh]

Ye I had a dk in CN that I never geared. Just messed around in PvP

[bleak sky]

why play any of the dps dk when you could just play the chad one

[slow marsh]

True

But I have always been a sucker for frost dk so I might have to bring it back. Man too many fun alts to play

[rotund oak]

bruh blood is cool and all but the hp flactuations

[bleak sky]

I just need 4p on the dead boi and we're blasting

[rotund oak]

its like im having a heart atk

[bleak sky]

you shouldn't be yo-yoing that much; that's part of the class

[slow marsh]

I mean when are you in actual danger tho

[bleak sky]

your "mitigation" is healing yourself

[rotund oak]

well thats not mitigation,thats healing but yeah gotcha 😄

the boneshield is mitigation

that stacking thing

bone armor whatever

[bleak sky]

hey guess why I put quotation marks around it

[slow marsh]

I mean death strike healing gets converted into a shield so it's still mitigation

Or the damage done whatever

[bleak sky]

all I care about is being at the top of the HPS meters

gimme gimme

[rotund oak]

bear with natural order of things leggo

hps

mental

[limber lion]

Ah yes, my favorite specs; pistolshot rogue, pyroblast mage and viper strike hunter

[rotund oak]

u barkskin,fur and regen then u regen again and then again

[rotund oak]

😂

[untold sleet]

sry for the stupid question is there a specific reason why you only play dusk with 4p? is it the set bonus?

[bleak sky]

yes, the set bonus

4p = vendetta goes boom
more vendetta = more dam so dusk is good

[untold sleet]

thank you

[rotund oak]

brings back exsang memories from nyalotha

although there we had ridiculously more haste

[vestal wren]

dusk + 4p = 📈

[gray pond]

With 4pc and dusk+unity what would be our opener?

[bleak sky]

Not 100% on the opener but you can run a sim and check what the sim does on opener

[clear finch]

I was in here QQ'ing yesterday but the WoWgods finally saw fit to bless me with my first tier piece today off heroic Liv.
1/5 big sin rogue energy 🤣

[bleak sky]

Gzgz

[limber lion]

Gar slice ambush muti rupture sepsis vend shiv

[gray pond]

Thank you. Do we use vanish right before vendetta drops to reapply garrote ? I mean what would be the vanish usage

[limber lion]

Just use vanish when garrote is in pandemic

[strange silo]

sepsis not after vendetta?

[limber lion]

It doesn't do any direct damage so it's a bit of a dead gcd

Just press Vend soon after before Shiv

Very minimal anyways

[topaz vine]

I've been away for a year pretty much and I just logged in again today. Have much changed in that time? 😆

[clear finch]

😬

[bleak sky]

A lot, but read the faq and guides and you should be caught up

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clear finch]

Start working your way thru the zereth mortis campaign. It gives Hella renown too if you need to catch up with renown.

Double legendaries become available starting next reset.

[topaz vine]

I must say it feels pretty sad to log in and switch my mythic gear out with quest gear xD
yeah im at 50 renown or something. .feels like it will take some time to get back up.

[subtle tundra]

how do i sim double leggo?, do i just pop it in there?

[clear finch]

80 is max these days but if you put your mind to it the grind doesn't take long. For your other covenants (under 40) you can buy an item from the person next to Oribos flight Master which instant raises your renown to 40.

But whichever covenant you want leveled be sure and use that one for the zereth mortis campaign.

[subtle tundra]

renown is not a thing you worry about anymore

[pearl ingot]

renown can be farmed easy in torghast too

[topaz vine]

Okay ty 🙂 thats at least something ^^

[clear finch]

Which you'll probably need to run Torg anyways to craft your eventual Legos lol. There's a lot to take in returning now BUT we're only a few weeks into the new patch so great time to return.

[bleak sky]

Ye boi

Add unity and you're good

[clear finch]

Welcome back and good luck with the grind, Micha!

[topaz vine]

oh right. I had completly forgotten about the legendary .. I got some reading to do 😆 Thank you 😁

[strange silo]

with first sigil we just wanna sync it with vendetta right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[hollow river]

9.2 campaign gives a boat load of renown as well

[topaz vine]

i am doing that hole thing and its going pretty fast.. thank god 😄

[hollow river]

Yeah it’s not so bad

[verbal radish]

What's the most efficient way to sim what stats to put on my unity if I run Outlaw and Sin? Should I just do a stats weight for each and take the highest of each or do a full sim plus leg and tier for each spec.

[lunar otter]

if i go necro who do we use in keys soul bind

[proper tapir]

You should Sim it, it can be different based on tier/gear. I have heir simming best for M+ (dungeon slice).

[lunar otter]

dw got no tier homie

never gonna get ikt

*it

[proper tapir]

Well you should still Sim it, but Mari is always a safe pick for m+. You get good sbs resets on trash packs. Thus you get good Kevin uptime.

[lunar otter]

yeye im simming 10200 😦 cant get necro to sim higher than venth probs my trash gear

[proper tapir]

Check again once you get 2p :)

[lunar otter]

yeah i know that will make a diff

[shy nest]

which aoe spells works on lord as assa?

[subtle tundra]

i have bad news

[sinful cradle]

the insta dam from CT

or does it I actually dont know

[willow eagle]

Hidden blades value

[sinful cradle]

Night stalker MA lego HB secret tech

[limber lion]

The dot from CT also works

both do

[sinful cradle]

[rotund oak]

How does venthyr assa even funnel

was watching this infexious vid earlier today and venthyr was marked as the ''top funnel'' for assassination

like how necro isnt better

i dont get it

[limber lion]

By applying bleeds on the multiple targets to get energy saturation

ie. more energy than you can use

then just going full single target on one target

But our funnel is really not that great to be honest

[rotund oak]

dont think it can come close to necro

even that way

[bleak sky]

venthyr def funnels better than necro

[rotund oak]

[limber lion]

Flag does more damage than SBS

[rotund oak]

do we have a sim comparison?

im very curious now tbh

[bleak sky]

can prob just sim yourself

[scenic kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rJ9UomwCfMeuE8EH1J6HiV

sorry for asking again. yesterday i got no help 😄

someone know why i venthyr is simming higher in this sim?

[bleak sky]

but venthyr just funnels better

[rotund oak]

will do for sure 👌

[bleak sky]

you're not running the right talents for double leggo 4pc

[scenic kelp]

is it not ds and subter?

[rotund oak]

mfd propably

[bleak sky]

i glanced over that mb

[scenic kelp]

i picked all of them mfd, deeper, subter and ma

[rotund oak]

yeah didnt say u havent 😛

btw ur crit must be kinda low

[junior rampart]

Bells of endless feast any good for sin?

[rotund oak]

would explain fatal flaw

simming more

[limber lion]

@rotund oak

this is 4 targets

[rotund oak]

thx!

[bleak sky]

no

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/muWvp92nG7kWpE31a8e6uU

explain this cev

[junior rampart]

Thank you 🙂

[limber lion]

:)

[bleak sky]

oh no

I don't really get why our friend's sim shows venthyr as better

[rotund oak]

there are like 2 condtions that would make venth sim like 100ish dps more

low crit normally favors FF doesnt it

venthyr simmed higher for me as well when my crit was like sub 35%

the other is mfd and wpns

or am i missing something

[scenic kelp]

i picked for the sim all talents mfd & deeper 😄

[rotund oak]

again,didnt say u havent,im just examining what would make sense

[quasi hill]

Hey guys just wondering why I don't want unity on feet ? Wouldn't it be more stats compared to bracers

[drifting cloud]

it clashes with zoldycks then, otherwise its fine

[quasi hill]

Ok, usually play sub and was about to craft ob feet. But for more flexibility to play assa too, I will now craft on bracers for both.

[thin trout]

do we fok spam on lords of dread during swarm?

[brazen zodiac]

i dont think so

[brazen zodiac]

say it isnt so no more vampires

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fPoUkBMYPqreVbaAbdh8gV

the sim is now even more cursed

[alpine latch]

Jeez

I wasn't even cracking 10k as Sin 😦

[scenic kelp]

i will wait for 4p and double legy and then sim it idk whats ahpenning i got cursed numbers in every sim 😄

[rotund oak]

it makes sense now

also u cringy boy 😅

(joking)

[gusty mirage]

nah you'll only fok to reapply poisons, swarm does amp CT damage so you'd prioritize keeping up CT during swarm while all the classes with real aoe talents just shit out dam

[polar cape]

Does it actually amp the dots too?

[shy dust]

Amps CT

[polar cape]

Yeah i mean the CT dots or just the initial aoe

[slender berry]

it amps the dot aswell

[weary marten]

hey guys ! will we be playing duskwalker even in M+ ? or zoldyck ?

[subtle tundra]

duskies

[pure moth]

Its dusk only with 4 set

[weary marten]

crit haste for legendaries ?

[valid leaf]

Yo guys is Obidience viable in raid

Since cba to play sub on some bosses and dont have assa leggos

[brazen zodiac]

ya

[weary marten]

does assa with 2 legendary and 4p compete against sub in M+ and raid ?

[mortal crystal]

Assa beats sub in any cleave fight, like lords

[weary marten]

ok ! how about M+ ?

[mortal crystal]

Dont know about that one, for sure

[undone eagle]

Hello guys, if I got double legendary + 4 set piece, which covenant is best? Or necro / night fae / venthyr are almost the same? ~

for raid & m+

[weary marten]

raid probably night fae, necro in M+

[subtle tundra]

sub beats assa in m+ all the time now

unfortunately

even in top

[undone eagle]

@weary marten So venthyr is out now? 😮

[mortal crystal]

Venthyr for for any decent funnelling, I guess

[undone eagle]

Seems like it yea

But Im just doing +15's for vault, not pushing higher keys

Only raiding most likely 😛

[mortal crystal]

And thats where sub shines, so that slot is already taken :p

[stray pumice]

Are there any guides on how to sim, for both raid and m+?

[mortal crystal]

I think raidbots have some decent guides on their site

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[weary marten]

i prefer so much assa over sub u_u

i just had a sub Theater of Pain, damn so fucking disgusting as sub

making me wanna play only assa

[undone eagle]

Sub rogues goes for crit + vers most likely yea?

or is it all about simming

got 28% crit 28% haste 9% vers 43% mastery now when i changed xD

[weary marten]

yeah most likely

mastery a bit for aoe