assassination

[red plaza]

Find a way to be in melee 🙂

[indigo mulch]

Do you run subt, ds ct and doomblade on 2t? 😮

[wild beacon]

Cool I'll just fear everyone on lords next time, cheers

[indigo mulch]

Ugh dreadlord is so much chaos 😐

wtb wa

[glass tulip]

Can't wait til the race is over

Then atrocity releases all of the liquid weakauras

[subtle tundra]

2p putting in the work i see

(only 45 parses on rygelon hc wtf)

[limber lion]

giga

[subtle tundra]

i get 2p, its fucking raging week

cant even play sin:(d

[gusty mirage]

sure you can

[oak sky]

i would never play sin

I am not a one trick

[strange silo]

how is it that phial 252 sims higher then first sigil?

[solid venture]

maybe the sim is only using it once cuz its a 5m sim

and so is the trinkets cd

try a 6m sim and see what it says then

[strange silo]

ok yea on 6m sim it says i should swap xymox trinket with first sigil but still use 252 phial xd

[glass tulip]

My team killed it on an overtime raid night without me because "they would have needed another healer for ratio"

Could have been 46

[oak sky]

ratio is why it wasnt killable

[subtle tundra]

2 warriors got 4set, another warrior 3 set => higher chances i get traded

[solid venture]

went from 0 pieces to 3 in 1 raid, today was a good day

[obtuse robin]

[subtle tundra]

so youre telling me its possible with anduin, lords and rygelon to get 2 more pieces and get 4??

[obtuse robin]

had a guildie last night get 3 in a row from those bosses

complete 4p

[subtle tundra]

im pulling it off

im at anduin normal

[solid venture]

[winter vapor]

andiun normal, when doing lich king phase are we keeping bleeds up on anduin?

[slow marsh]

because no 4p yet

[strange silo]

oh so it just gets stronger with 4p?

[drowsy parcel]

dont steal my spot

[subtle tundra]

the dream is on

[limber lion]

any 4p gamers in the chat

[strange python]

any 1p gamers ?

[agile osprey]

^^ Rise up

[limber lion]

got my last piece from the second to last boss we killed

[slow marsh]

yes much stronger. sigil trink lasts 20s and vend lasts 20s. So it's mega stonks especially if you can line it up with lust

[limber lion]

very scary

[hollow escarp]

nice

hit 11.9k on Halondrus as assa today

[limber lion]

We love to see it

Close to r1

[oak sky]

set havers n shit

[hollow escarp]

a lot more set havers this week

[oak sky]

yesterday i was rank 10 behind all these pi boys and set havers

[limber lion]

Didn't get to really try out the new 4p unfortunately

Other than LFR Halondrus

lmao

[drowsy parcel]

cleared normal and heroic, still a 2 set gamer

zenith token is cursed

[hollow escarp]

tbf, I'd go pug a few bosses to test the sub tier as well after we cleared hc

[kindred rapids]

I'm still on 1pc

[oak sky]

you have it too?

[limber lion]

Just got it like 30 minutes ago!

[oak sky]

awesome

[kindred rapids]

would love be on pc lol

[limber lion]

Second to last boss we did

[oak sky]

get the parse bag cev

[limber lion]

Will do!

[oak sky]

i don't think i can get it until at least next week

if i'm lucky I can find hat today

[limber lion]

No wait, I did try it out on Lords as well

and it was super hectic

One target is fine, but two targets is omega hard

idk what to do there yet

[hollow escarp]

me reapplying dots on dreadlords

[limber lion]

garrit the second add, suddenly my main target garret drops and I'm sitting there with a 6s garrote cooldown

[solid venture]

[kindred rapids]

I mean a garrits a garrit right

[limber lion]

not sure if you should just full single target boss and only garrut if you have vanish ready for it

[oak sky]

yeah i think thats the move

i think its like

gar gar in opener

[hollow escarp]

you mean gar1 gar2

[oak sky]

then gar near the end of your first gar in vendetta then ambush then gar the other target

[subtle tundra]

yes

i just got it

LOLE

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

wait

you got it?

[oak sky]

[subtle tundra]

got traded

[limber lion]

weren't you like 1p yesterday

lmao

[subtle tundra]

yep

[oak sky]

im never getting this dude

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

ive been 2p for a week

and now im like

[limber lion]

what a gamer

[hollow escarp]

time to blast them keys

[oak sky]

guaranteed next week at the soonest

[limber lion]

Yeh you'll get it for sure

Just remember that even if it takes 3 weeks total, you'll be using the 4p for the next, what, 12 months?

[kindred rapids]

cleared 7/11 normal and hc yesterday, no tier

no tier in vault

[limber lion]

You'll get to play around with it a bunch even if you get it next week or the week after

[oak sky]

ye but its so annoying

[limber lion]

but it def feels annoying

yeh

[oak sky]

I was first in my raid to get 2p

and now I'm lagging

[limber lion]

oh monka

[oak sky]

or maybe i was like

2nd or 3rd

but like

i got it pretty quick

[subtle tundra]

so dusk on finger? 🥺

[limber lion]

yas

[hollow escarp]

[subtle tundra]

tomorrow mythic bosses

deletos

death

crit haste just making sure

[hollow escarp]

ohh, I was trolling

or maybe not

played vigor on halondrus

[rigid vortex]

Anyone knows what best cache trinket use is for assa is it haste or bleed?

[wide hawk]

bleed

[rigid vortex]

are there any sims of this or?

[sterile vigil]

going to try sin for the first time on pantheon as oppose to sub to try and impress for the trial. Unfortunately ill be playing venth. Can anyone guide me in the right direction for opener talents for this fight

[slow marsh]

Yeah the first talent you're gonna take is be necrolord

Then after that EP/Subt/DS/CT

[sterile vigil]

i don’t have necro otherwise i would..

[subtle tundra]

today i gained 2.5k dps

[bleak sky]

It's only 12 months if you keep playing the game

[slow marsh]

If I get andy tier tonight I'll bust

[viscid spear]

We'd rather you not

[subtle tundra]

man, i feel bad the warrior with 3p didnt drop helm and i did, and then dropped shoulders he doesnt need and gave me

and then didnt get chest 😦

[frosty cedar]

278 wep and 2 piece today feelsgoodman

[wild beacon]

but the fomo is strong

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

yeh for sure, it's rough

but you'll be popping off and super happy when you finally get it

the serotonin levels skyrocket

[normal mist]

1 tier piece gang now

sorry 0 tier piece gang 😦

[solid venture]

i need lords or rygelon to give me the juice tomorrow for 4p

[weary marten]

hey guys ! any WA for earthbreaker impact or i don't know english name trinket ?

[errant cloak]

today in the morning I had only 1 hc tier hands, after vault and hc/nhc Raid 4set complete - super super lucky today (mythic tset from vault, 2 from nhc) ^^

[umbral tulip]

Is dusk just gonna be bis for every type of content next patch basically? Or would you still play other legos in some scenarios?

Will zoldyck be played still?

[brazen zodiac]

all your answers and wonders of the world can be found in faq, pins, or somewhere in cev's brain

sup cev

[limber lion]

Pretty much yeah. Zoldyck still has its use on stuff like Pantheon for p3 and m+, but that's about it.

Dusk is just too strong for what it is

[brazen zodiac]

cev i said id take a 10 minute nap that was 6 hours ago

why is it so hard to be a gaming adult :(

[limber lion]

hey I do those too

my naps are never 10-20 minutes, it's always 3+ hours

and then my entire day is fucked

[brazen zodiac]

its so bad like im def not goin to sleep tonight

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

guess ill just like clean the house and make some eggs or something

maybe go touch that wet midnight grass and get a coffee at 4 am

sup quake

[umbral tulip]

Shouldn’t have ripped 100k on the 291 then but oh well xD

I’ll take it if it’s playable on pantheon

[glossy jewel]

im kinda looking for advice on legendary crafting as well. assuming i wanna play sub in keys and raid as well as assassination in raid, im crafting akaari on neck, finality on back and duskwalker on ring. down the line probably zoldyck for assa on boots as well. ignoring tier set slots, this leaves belt, feet, wrists and ring as unity options.
im strongly considering just doing belt, which gives a socket and has more stats than wrists. is there anything i didnt think of? any conflicts?

[limber lion]

Jailer drops a high level belt, so the ultimate best setup would be using unity wrists. But that's obviously a long way ahead still and honestly a super minimal thing.

Belt is completely fine.

[glossy jewel]

oh yeah true..i guess for now the guaranteed socket and no conflicts is fine. will have to recraft everything multiple times anyway i assume 😄

[pallid panther]

Anyone got tips for the swarm phases on lords of dread heroic with the double damage from aoe casts? Do we build with FoK > Mut ? Then just spend on CT? Playing zoldyks btw

[limber lion]

Nah, just continue your normal 2 target rotation. You can switch to using FoK when the add gets near

But it's super minimal and unfortunately Assassination as a spec doesn't gain much from it

[pallid panther]

Sweet as, thought so after a bit of testing

Feels a bit rubbish as rogue that fight imo

[limber lion]

Nah it's great as assassination. Permanent 2 target encounter is good stuff

[pallid panther]

Necro definitely smooths it out a bit

[limber lion]

But yeh, can't just abuse the mechanic

[maiden raptor]

I just made my first legendary earlier and considering I don't have a ton of mats to make more should I still craft Dashing instead of Duskwalker until I have a 4-piece Tierset? (This would also involve having to go back and get the Dashing legy memory not sure if that would influence the desicion here)

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure, Necro is a god-send on cleave.

[limber lion]

Dashing is not really that great of a legendary currently. Before getting 4p you should probably stick to playing Obedience as Venthyr and Doomblade as Necrolord.

[umbral tulip]

I tried necro today on pantheon, it was really nice

[limber lion]

But you definitely should not craft Duskwalkers before 4p. It's a really, really bad legendary without the tier set.

[maiden raptor]

Gotcha thanks a lot!

[worn badger]

i mean, i crafted mine, but i already have 262's for obedience and dashing and getting gold is hard for a filthy casual so i had to spend it before i need it

[pearl ingot]

This raid is so fun and I really like that myth is kinda hard so I can compete with all of you crazy myth guys for now in heroic

[robust sandal]

whats the best legendary and covenant for 4 set 1 lego

[arctic venture]

how not love @balmy condor

Thanks always for your faqs!

[limber lion]

np

[limber lion]

Necro, Dusk

[robust sandal]

thanks, which soulbind also

sorry to pester

[limber lion]

That one you have to sim unfortunately

Marileth is best for me, but Heirmir is very close

Could be the other way around for you

[robust sandal]

ah okay thank you for your help 🙂

[limber lion]

[past bobcat]

what talents for panth

[limber lion]

2222223

[winged basin]

we still spam torg layer 9s for renown farming?

[limber lion]

whatchu need renown farming for?

You get to 40 instantly with the item, and you get around 30 from doing the campaign

and you get a bunch from Zereth Mortis questlines

[winged basin]

cause I leveled up venth with zereth mortis, had the campaign done for necro but need it leveled up for m+

then im gonna have to do night fae

which I already did the quest line for

[limber lion]

ripperino

[winged basin]

yeah

its unlucky fasho

cringing at the fact im in torghast

told myself id never do torg again

[modest glen]

Doesn’t layer 9 stop giving 100% renown drop at one point?

[winged basin]

probably

but I just need upgraded conduit and I am fine

then I can max out night fae and cry

[modest glen]

Gotta grind night fae myself

And cry

[limber lion]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[timid cloud]

It does, completely RNG past even 40.

[viral aurora]

Anyone try out the breakers coin wq trinket?

[winged basin]

unlucky..... I have luckily gotten one every run so far

51 necro rn...

probably only need to get heimer upgrade slot at 69 and I can swap to night fae?...

[timid cloud]

Should I do The Nine opener on Lords of Dread?

Or just try to get them both setup?

[ripe gulch]

are there sims for 4 piece double lego nf?

[limber lion]

sure are in the pins

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit#gid=201737681

[slow marsh]

well you have 2p so I think getting dots up first might be better

[inner granite]

What is the best buff for cache trinket?

[slow marsh]

axe

[timid cloud]

I only have 1P

Thanks for making me sad.

[obtuse robin]

question , why dusk on halo?

[slow marsh]

rip i sowwy, then yeah same as the nine

[balmy condor]

because 4 piece

[oak sky]

wish i had it

[balmy condor]

I'm still riding the high of 2 piece

[slow marsh]

the sub high?

[balmy condor]

I didn't get to change off of venthyr all night yesterday

was pain

[fiery fable]

if i was gonna stay one cov for raid atm what covenant would it be? venthyr?

[limber lion]

Necrolord

[brazen zodiac]

3pc pog

[gray hazel]

I recall whispyr putting out a NF 4pce double Lego CD order for when to pop things. Like vendetta with sepsis and TB, then next time vendetta alone or something along those lines.

Anyone know where it went? Can’t seem to locate it

[obtuse robin]

you guys use a wa for cache or nah?

just got it never used it b4

[balmy condor]

#916546791472783371 message

[balmy condor]

yep

[brazen zodiac]

i use one black

u want it its pretty pog

[obtuse robin]

i assume the rules are only pop with axe and wait for axe

sure

[balmy condor]

yep

[timid cloud]

It’s funky sometimes it’ll show axe then it swaps to wand.

I need to get my gem WA. For my bone zones.

[civic trellis]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[pale shale]

Does the 2 piece set bonus apply to bleeds/poisons already on the target or applied after shiv cast?

[limber lion]

Both

It's a debuff on all mobs around 15 yards of your target

During the buff all poisons/bleeds deal double 40% more damage

Be it existing bleeds/poisons, or bleeds/poisons applied after

[civic trellis]

Is nf recommended with double lego + 4p or can you switch at 4p

[marble hemlock]

Once the debuff runs out, theyll deal regular damage again though 😛

[pale shale]

ty

[bleak sky]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[bleak sky]

any vers enjoyers

[viscid spear]

Mine's like 3%

[limber lion]

good

Minalba is using the sigil

he's a cheater

[viscid spear]

My Mage only has 8%

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

what is wrong with you

[bleak sky]

I see vers I take vers

[umbral rapids]

[balmy condor]

mans playing PVP

[spice spire]

Greetings and salutations @bleak sky it’s come to my attention that you’re now a subtlety rogue OTP. If you could kindly remove your red color and replace it with a more apt light blue, it would be great appreciated so as to identify you for what you are, an ape.

Sincerely,
RH Clown CF (Makeitquake)

[oak sky]

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

say less

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

Anduin and Lords heroic down

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

No 4p drop

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

we're doing lords rn

[hollow river]

I need Rygelon anyway

For 4p

[spice spire]

Almost had legs tonight - had to ethically give them over

[hollow river]

Rygelon or Lihuvim

[oak sky]

anduin is a yoke now

[hollow river]

Anduin is garbage now lol

They hard gutted it

[limber lion]

The second monstrous soul was a bit of an issue for us during the first Anduin HC prog

instead of lowering the hp or whatever

they just remove it altogether

very weird

[hollow river]

We had Rygelon down to 50% in barely over 2 minutes

He dies tomorrow ez

Yeah it was an issue for us too sometimes

That 30% health threshold I think three some of our raiders off

[limber lion]

This 4p thing is pretty cool

[balmy condor]

we had issues with the wall + add when people were down but it wasn't even that bad

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

Because you need to burst him down after he hits 30%

[balmy condor]

I think the weirdest thing to me was the hp nerf on top

[limber lion]

Yeah, ngl most of our wipes happened TO THE FUCKING STARS

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

Bro stars are so troll

[limber lion]

even today we wiped like 3 times because of people throwing stars around

hitting adds with them

[hollow river]

Why can’t you just assign markers for each phase???

[limber lion]

we had 2 people hit the same add b2b with stars

[hollow river]

It’s so easy

[limber lion]

it was very interesting

[balmy condor]

like I don't understand why remove the add, and then 5% hp on top of that

[slow marsh]

Ayo I'm looking for a new guild soon keep your ears peeled for me bruddahs

[hollow river]

I got my first ever p3 star today

[balmy condor]

removing the add is like

another 10% on top almost

[hollow river]

Flawless execution

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

yehhh

very odd

[hollow river]

Skipnoz would’ve wiped the raid

[limber lion]

Also FYI you cannot skip straight to p3 by pushing him during the first intermission

[hollow river]

You can’t?

[limber lion]

We saved all cds and lusted during the first intermission to push him to 10% and skip p2 and i2 entirely

[hollow river]

Wtf happens then lol

[balmy condor]

we came out of second intermission at 22% on thursday, we walk in on thursday, and we push too hard and die because the storm tick killed us from coming up too fast

[limber lion]

and it just didn't work

[balmy condor]

could've pushed to like 8%

was insane

[limber lion]

instead he got a 99% damage reduction for the entirety of p2 and i2

[hollow river]

LOLLlll

Lmfao

[limber lion]

yeaaah that's insane as well

it's a weird ass boss

[balmy condor]

could've just like

deleted p1 and i1

and been fine

but 10 minute fight

[hollow river]

Bro farming that boss after double leggo and full raid of 4p

Is gonna be weird

[slow marsh]

Ye I think you just omega push in 2nd intermission to skip the whole p3 mechanic

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[bleak sky]

mod abuse changing my color 😠

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

You can't push past 10% unfortunately

[spice spire]

Are you accusing me of changing your color?!

[limber lion]

So you're forced to do the entirety of p3

[spice spire]

Buddy I just recommended

[slow marsh]

Ye but getting him to 10% so you can kill while only doing the debuff thing once

Is kinda big

[limber lion]

But we skipped i2 by pushing him to 10% during p2

[bleak sky]

I'll be colorless in protest 😠

[limber lion]

yeh

[spice spire]

That’s the most sub OTP thing to do

[limber lion]

we just cleared debuffs once and then just stood still with the next set

and dedicate on bossman

[spice spire]

Look at push (before CF) and a lot of the long time sub boys.
All members smdh

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Colorless is just sub in disguise

They're both the same

[spice spire]

@hollow river

[limber lion]

100%

[hollow river]

I like all 3 ok

Outlaw the least ok

[slow marsh]

I got a pox today just because

[hollow river]

@limber lion

do you think we could sim vendetta snapshotting haste from Cache

4p vendetta

[limber lion]

I'll have you know that Koji is working on something similar currently

But there's no easy way of doing that currently

[hollow river]

siiiiiiiiick

[limber lion]

It's very well possible that the sword is even better than expected with 4p

But Sigil probably still the strongest out of everything else

Sigil too dank

[hollow river]

yeah

[gray hazel]

Thank you!

[slow marsh]

Dang I didn't realize how much I hate private logs until this week

[slow marsh]

Why not both tho

Double on use is cringe but not so bad when one is 5min

[strange python]

4 set this week has convinced me to go full time sin gaming as soon as Tuesday hits

Sub is atrocious

[spice spire]

[strange python]

In raid at least. Slamming giant flagellations in keys is fun

But playing any ST boss as kyrian with Sblades makes me want to did

Die

[errant swallow]

Lmao, why?

Is assassination competitive with 4pc?

[slow marsh]

Ye

[errant swallow]

In raids

Awesome

[slow marsh]

Requires a bit more skill tho imo

[errant swallow]

NF, right?

[slow marsh]

Ye or necro

[errant swallow]

I've been sub forever

Might try assassination

If I ever get 4pc that is

[spice spire]

I thought about unethically yoinking some pants tonight

But ethically gave the other rogue his 2p

[bleak sky]

I'll yoink your pants

[errant swallow]

I know I'll end up crafting my 4pc

[spice spire]

Buddy, say less

[errant swallow]

I'm at peace

[slow marsh]

Na fam that's 4 weeks away still

[oak sky]

fucking failed lords

[strange python]

I'm sure there's gonna be all sorts of "fix my vendetta window!" comments here in the next three weeks

[errant swallow]

Can't wait to see how meta develops as soon as everyone is running around with 4cp and double legos

[limber lion]

Because Sigil favors a second passive trinket. The buff gives a shit ton of vers, which also increases your trinket damage.

[slow marsh]

True

[limber lion]

Using 2 on-use trinkets would mean that the second trinket doesn't benefit from the sigil

[strange python]

I'm like last in like for sigil LMAO

In line*

[limber lion]

Personally a phial/ooze sim around 200 dps more for me than the heroic cache

[strange python]

Oh god I've gotta get an ooze before Tuesday........

[slow marsh]

I mean I'm vibing with cache moreso than sigil in general right now but I guess we'll see what things shape up to be

[limber lion]

Cache is still a great tool for padding

But you don't really wanna go back when you have 4pc and sigil

It's a very dank combo

[slow marsh]

Ayyyyyy I'm talking about that sword bb

[limber lion]

Yeeh

[obtuse robin]

a 272 phial is only 20 dps more then a cache for me

[slow marsh]

It's like a flex+guaranteed iqd

And I like that

Cuz I like iqd unlike everyone

[obtuse robin]

i loved it with frost

[oak sky]

iqd is such a dogshit trinket

[strange python]

Better than halondrus trinket.

[oak sky]

how can you enjoy sometimes healing an idiot or giving someone mana

[slow marsh]

When it works it's amazing but ye I've given hpal mana a few too many times as well

[spice spire]

Odd way to call yourself a psychopath

But go off

If it didn’t have that one mode on it

[slow marsh]

That's why I'm saying cache is better cuz it flexes for aoe / st

And you don't have to run around hitting earthquake things

[obtuse robin]

does it have a target limit

[slow marsh]

And you don't have to wait 5mins either

No

[obtuse robin]

or is it just everything u crit

kk

[slow marsh]

It's uncapped and procs like crazy on CT/ fan

Not as much as sub but that's not surprising

[obtuse robin]

it can proc more then once during the buff?

[slow marsh]

It's a bleed dot so

It just gets refreshed afaik

[strange python]

I don't wanna rank up NL and NF by Tuesday :(

[bleak sky]

Sub is probably better for whatever boss you're going next anyway

[strange python]

Pantheon

[bleak sky]

You're a 4p enjoyer, right?

[strange python]

Yes.

Pretty sure sub would be benched on pantheon

Though sin might be too

[slow marsh]

Na after 4p sin is the play if you are good at it

[bleak sky]

With 4p it's probably fine

[slow marsh]

Sub with 4p in p3 is fine but

[strange python]

I'm way more confident in sin than sub generally. Would up ~50 all star for sin but ~150 for sub last tier

[slow marsh]

Up to that point it's still sub in 2t

[strange python]

I'm honestly hoping we start pantheon tomorrow (artificer was at 15% after 10 pulls) and they just sit me. Pantheon looks awful

[slow marsh]

Ye we couldn't kill h rygelon after 20 pulls after 2 shotting anduin and 3 shotting Lord's so

[strange python]

Rygelon was super fucking fun

Not a fan of lords

[slow marsh]

It is fun until your raid doesn't understand how the soak mechanic works and your raid leader refuses to address the issues going on and decides to tilt and just chain pull

[strange python]

Which soak?

DoT ball or crush ball?

[slow marsh]

The blow up ball that you have to go under for

[strange python]

Our problem was padlords murdering the quasars so we made them respec single target

Ah

[slow marsh]

Yeah same

Apes

Insta swap to quasars

[strange python]

Destros and boomies too busy padding then they despawn

[slow marsh]

Because they think they're doing mechanics and will get brownie points

Then ranged gets stuck with no circles

[strange python]

Also monkey DK trying to cleave then insta-soaking it

[slow marsh]

Because the one that spawned got eaten by a demon hunter

Ye

But I can't say shit about it because we have grumpy dad raid lead that doesn't listen

[strange python]

We got a weakaura that tells people their soak orders

Made it easy

[obtuse robin]

dam ur right ice this cache is nice

also dont have to beat my head in pl anymoe for phial for the time being

[strange python]

Phial still gonna be your best second trinket

[obtuse robin]

yea i know but i can stop perma farming it for now

a 272 is only 15 dps more

[strange python]

I paid 300k for phial :(

[obtuse robin]

damn

[slow marsh]

Ye we have a lot of poggers on use trinks

[strange python]

Aftee 25 runs I was done.

No mas

[slow marsh]

Im planning on going double on use and just preparing for the worst

[obtuse robin]

[slow marsh]

And if phial or something ends up being better than 2x on use then cool

[grim tangle]

I'm getting phial in vault next week :)

[obtuse robin]

[strange python]

My eventual plan is phial/sigil, and then phial+scars/cache for anything under 4 mins

[obtuse robin]

i have a 278 decanter and that thing rips

[slow marsh]

I'm getting mythic rygelon chest next week. Let's do this together

Or jk anduin

[strange python]

278 tho

[slow marsh]

Ye

[strange python]

Our ret pal

Has mythic tier shoulders and legs

And heroic helm and chest

100% blew a dev. Only explanation.

[obtuse robin]

vit had mythic anduin helm

just total luck

[slow marsh]

Na she got gloves I thought

[obtuse robin]

she miss typed then

[slow marsh]

I got mythic anduin head on my rat surv hunter

[obtuse robin]

she is blind like a bat tho

nice

[strange python]

Our mage has 5 pieces xD

Looted all 5 couldn't trade cause personal loot is fun

[obtuse robin]

my raid leader has looted the hands 3 times and also got it in his vault

[slow marsh]

Ye idk after tonight I'm just a bit bummed and I'm sad I prolly have to find a new guild cuz that shit is annoying

[strange python]

I've gotten 3 pairs of halondrus legs.

[obtuse robin]

what happened?

[slow marsh]

They just brute force their way to top 400 and idk just seems not that fun to me. Also raid times aren't working out how I thought they would with personal life which is creating some resentment and I don't like that

[obtuse robin]

so they became to hardcore

[slow marsh]

Na it's not that at all

[strange python]

No sounds like they're not hardcore enough. Overpull instead of play well

[slow marsh]

Exactly

[strange python]

Which usually is indicative of people not know their class or fights

[slow marsh]

They're cheating their way in basically

[strange python]

The Elusive method ;)

[slow marsh]

Ye

[strange python]

36 hours for 4/10m?

Kekw

41 hours of sylv to miss hall of fame LOL

4/11**

[slow marsh]

Yeah I'd be quitting wow if I did that

[strange python]

They're the overtimers supreme.

Didn't trigz and hallowr used to post in here?

[slow marsh]

Anyways it's just hard to find guilds that don't raid three nights in a row that are also top 250ish that are also looking for a rogue. It's like I need the stars to align

[strange python]

Why no three nights in a row?

[slow marsh]

Life

I can do mon-wed but not tues-thurs

[strange python]

:/

Fun with friends is wed/Thurs but they filled their second rogue spot

[slow marsh]

Ye idk. It's like I know I should be in a high rated guild but the commitment required never matches the reward (or lack thereof)

I'm just sadge maybe after I sleep I'll feel better about stuff

[balmy condor]

that's what I do, except I wake up and don't feel better

and then they're like "you have depression Jannick that's how it works, get therapy"

[slow marsh]

[obtuse robin]

[slow marsh]

The difference is I already have a therapist

[strange python]

I usually tell my parents I'm dogsitting

[balmy condor]

I live with my parents that would probably just confuse them

[strange python]

Doggo is therapist

[brazen arrow]

Doggo best therapy

[strange python]

He seen some shit. He saw the era of tricks being a simp buff

[plush garnet]

Will 2p double lego sin be interesting? or is 4p double lego the only time it really matters

by interesting I mean how will it perform vs sub pretty much

[balmy condor]

It won’t be able to hold its footing until 4 piece double lego and high ilvl daggers

Sub kinda has a lot of power rolling into the start of the tier

Sin’s tier is stronger, double lego is stronger, and isn’t riding the high of sylv daggers as much

So it’s basically playing nothing but catchup for the next month or two

[plush garnet]

Gotcha, I've got 2p with a heroic and 252 dagger

So it sounds like I'll be sticking with sub for at least a few more weeks lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah

The good news is that sin is already better on some fights

And completely playable on most fights

Just by virtue of a lot of the adds just not being good for sub

[plush garnet]

I'm looking forward to trying that 4p double lego NF sin

[balmy condor]

Yeah me too

Sadly I think the fights I play sin on are necro fights

[plush garnet]

What fights are you necro sinning on right now?

[marble hemlock]

You misspelled "thankfully" as "sadly"

[oak sky]

necro> fae

[balmy condor]

Pantheon, lords, I’m thinking about it on dasussy

[rotund oak]

necor felt f@kin' amazing y'day on raid

but dont think it can win cringefae ST

TO windows be crazy

plus we get to use flicker

[strange python]

If you are necrolord ass rogue. What are the best leggo pieces ? And what are the bis tier pieces? havent looked into it lately, as I have little time.

so legs/back...not wich ability

[rotund oak]

crit/haste wrist for unity ring for duskwalkers cri/haste as well

also,necro becomes pretty good for cleave scenarios,ST,NF kinda slaps

[strange python]

I only play M+ so I enjoy being necro there. I keep it 🙂

But duskwalkers, what slot? back or?

[rotund oak]

literally a line above u^^

<<ring for duskwalkers cri/haste as well>>

[strange python]

Yeah I see now. Its all pasted >.<

[rotund oak]

but,u should read a guide before anything

just saying,dont run into crafting dusk asap

take ur time and open whispyr evaluation

take a look

[strange python]

currently have the zoldyck legs 262 stil and was wondering if upgrading anything is already a good thing

[rotund oak]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit#gid=201737681

just invest sometime into reading 😛

[solid mica]

You planning on playing dusk or zold eventually for pantheon mythic whisp?? Assuming 4p 2leggo obvi

[thin imp]

!food

anyone with an advance string to simulate food?

[timid cloud]

It should be on the options by default.

[sterile chasm]

On which part we should do unity? Head?

[candid badger]

with 4 piece right now is it better to still run zoldyck in keys or duskwalker? just messing around while farming phial in PF

[plain jewel]

so is the 2 set bonus in addition to the 40% nature damage?

[zinc frost]

Wrist is a safe option, helm clashes with tier set

[vestal wren]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[midnight trellis]

Yea head/chest/legs BIS for maximum stats, UNLESS you have tier there - if you don’t care abt gold just make it in one of those slots where your ilvl is lowest and recraft as you collect tier pieces

[subtle tundra]

holy fuck assa on tyra in "low" keys feelsbadman

cant even dps trash

[zinc frost]

Yeah sometimes not even worth dotting everything up in low keys and just going full ST into a high HP mob.

[subtle tundra]

what high hp mob when the highest is 500k xddd

[zinc frost]

I just did a 16 NW, first pull I reckon by the time I finished first CT cast got like one rupture out and everything died

[surreal crypt]

best double legendari assa and slots? thanks

[subtle tundra]

ngl assa is hard to play with 4p in m+

[surreal crypt]

in raid i said 😄

for 4 pc

[subtle tundra]

wasnt talking to you

[zinc frost]

It’s in #assassination-faq

[zinc frost]

What makes it hard?

[hollow escarp]

reapplying dots to prio target

[subtle tundra]

• being necro

[mossy mulch]

assa 4 tier set vs sublety 4 tier set, its better assa in pure st or sublety by far?

[subtle tundra]

depends on your gear atm

for me assa is better

for others, sub

[mossy mulch]

i think assa will be better with 4 tier set

[timid cloud]

More than likely not.

Still doing 30% more work basically.

[mossy mulch]

but simulations dont show the same

[subtle tundra]

wat?

the sims are in full bis gear

• 2 leggos

[timid cloud]

In M+

[subtle tundra]

he asked pure st

[timid cloud]

That’s the conversation right?

Oh I misread then.

[mossy mulch]

i asked pure st

with aoe i know sublety its better

[bleak sky]

That's because sub is better :)

[mossy mulch]

but in two or three targets i think assa its better

[brazen arrow]

Also depends on your dagger situation

[timid cloud]

True. Only one of my rogues has a dagger, I won’t be able to really multi-spec min-max at the end without one.

[subtle tundra]

he is talking about sylv dagger

[brazen arrow]

Yes

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[brazen arrow]

Sylv dagger much better for sin

[subtle tundra]

wat

[brazen arrow]

Sub*

[timid cloud]

wat

[brazen arrow]

Mistype lel

[timid cloud]

I’ll be using my max level cosmic star god killer daggers tyvm

[bleak sky]

Hey, same

Except I'll be swapping to sylv daggers at around 50% of the fight

[timid cloud]

[brazen arrow]

My guild is garbage so I'll probably have a vault dagger most of the tier :/

[timid cloud]

Hey Varas, you played Deeper Strat in Sin keys for the past few days, yeah?

How’d it feel?

[solid venture]

anyone know if the bleed effect from cache trinket works with doomblade ?

[timid cloud]

Like as if it amps your Envenom or does it proc off the bleed crit? Cause from what I’ve tested the trinket doesn’t proc off of our bleeds, I tried it earlier on Subs Rupture & it never procced. I’d imagine it would not with Doomblade either.

[solid venture]

yeah was wondering if it would amp envenom

[spice spire]

This is some cursed tech

[bleak sky]

Can't argue with that quake

It is truly cursed

BUT WE TAKE THOSE

[timid cloud]

Only thing you’ll take is the L.

[bleak sky]

:(

[spice spire]

No bully mister minalba

He had a rough enough night

[sterile vigil]

Is there a specific opener for sin in aoe like one that would be used on the pantheon fight

checked the sin faq but saw nothing

sorry if stupid question didn’t perform well last night as sub for trial on pantheon and guild is giving me one more chance as sin

don’t want to miss this opportunity

[bleak sky]

Look at agreonr's logs and learn from it

Wait agreon is washed up

Look at seliathan / oxii and there ya go

[sterile vigil]

thank you sir

[iron orchid]

Placing oxi and seli on the same lvl

@gusty mirage is so old and rusty tho

[bleak sky]

My man's got a solid rank 19, leave habibi alone

I'd tell people to logwatch cev but private logger

[iron orchid]

Facts

[spice spire]

Logwatching

[timid cloud]

Forge your own path, make your own rotation.

[bleak sky]

You're this close to becoming nochill

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

1 fok on single target away

[timid cloud]

What would be different?

I get 1 CP on FOK anyways.

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

[cold rampart]

Is it a necessity to play necro on lords and pantheon or i can just stay venthyr or night fae

[bleak sky]

Nothing is necessary in this game

[sonic schooner]

What I was about to tell. It's a video game, the "necessity " word shouldn't be allowed

[cold rampart]

Just answer the question no need to be english teachers

[oak sky]

washed up

really bro

[spice spire]

It was answered

It’s fine to be whatever

Necro is best

Do with that what you want

[cold rampart]

Ok thx

[bleak sky]

Don't see you on top 100 sorry king time to pass the crown around

[spice spire]

Check healing parses first

If you come at the king, you better not miss

[gusty mirage]

Seli’s older than me

[oak sky]

i didnt kill pantheon this week

[iron orchid]

but less rusty

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

No shot

[iron orchid]

i was waiting for your answer

[versed cobalt]

Can someone tell me how tf u two target cleave as assass

On lords of dread

[timid cloud]

Apply ALL bleeds to both.

Profit.

[versed cobalt]

I find that I get like maybe one envenom off

Cause I’m just toggling garrotes half the fight

[timid cloud]

As you’re supposed to.

[versed cobalt]

That’s an overstatement but you know what I mean

[timid cloud]

You only Envenom when you catch up with bleeds basically.

[versed cobalt]

Ok dumb question incoming: does that mean our damage ramps? I’m used to bursting hard as sub and my assassination opener on lords of dread is just not as powerful

Cause I have to garrote then rupture both

Then I’m sending vanish shiv

Vendetta

[timid cloud]

Yes.

You’re playing for the long con.

[versed cobalt]

Ahhh I see

[timid cloud]

That’s why you see a lot of Zoldyck.

[versed cobalt]

So on any wipe that’s why my damage looks like trash

[umbral tulip]

If u wipe 30 seconds in xD

Otherwise probably not just that

[timid cloud]

Yes. You basically don’t have a legendary on until they’re both 30%

[umbral tulip]

Yeah with zoldyck sure

[versed cobalt]

Assuming necro w duskwarders is the move for that fight?

[timid cloud]

If it was Doom-blade, Flag & stuff it’d be a bit different, but you’re not really getting an insane amount of those.

[umbral tulip]

Only with 4p

Dusk is shit without I’m pretty sure

[versed cobalt]

So just run venth zoldyck otherwise

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Dusk only comes online with 4P

[versed cobalt]

Kk

[bleak sky]

No

[timid cloud]

No, you should play NL Zold.

[umbral tulip]

Necro still yeah

But not dusk

[timid cloud]

Because you have permanent bleeds on both & CP generation from that.

[umbral tulip]

Just look at the top logs and see what they play

As long as it’s been out for a few weeks it’s a pretty good place to look

[versed cobalt]

Ok time to go big cry

[brazen inlet]

does anyone have a good multi dot tracker weakaura for ass rogue? would like to see how many instances of each dot i have up, i made one before with aff lock like a year ago but i can’t remember how lol

[zinc frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[umbral tulip]

Afenars at least doesn’t have that functionality

[zinc frost]

Yeah didn’t see the multi dot part, I personally just Cevs plater profile for that

[umbral tulip]

I also just use plater, but I agree that it can be hard to see on like pantheon in a second if u got rupture on every target

[gusty adder]

Does anyone have some good 9.2 assas m+ PoV's, either youtube or twitch-streams? I dont feel like i'm doing bad, but I would love to see some other perspectives on this

[timid cloud]

Varas, but he’s also a filthy traitor.

[zinc frost]

I miss the ryfie assa m+ streams

[timid cloud]

I say as I’ve only done like a handful of Sin keys so far this season…

[spice spire]

All of you are traitors

[slow marsh]

I mean

You can't say I didn't try

[timid cloud]

Hey now…

Don’t come outta the shadows to flame me.

[spice spire]

I’ve been here all morning

[timid cloud]

I did it in PF & TOP for the boys though.

Oh…awful quiet…

[spice spire]

I run all for the boys

[zinc frost]

I’ve peaked personally, no one do any more keys please

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Nice

[oak sky]

im like 1500 rating rn yall caught me slipping

[timid cloud]

THAT’S THE ||SEX|| NUMBER

[slow marsh]

Noobgreonr

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

classic Andy

[timid cloud]

Washedrengor

[spice spire]

Only 1500

[slow marsh]

Carriedbyfrostdrew

[spice spire]

You’re 1596 tbf

But 1408 assassination

[timid cloud]

I don’t even want to look at mine…

[slow marsh]

Still missing 3 dungeons xD

[zinc frost]

It’s a decent week to do keys, affixes are e z

[spice spire]

785 assassination @timid cloud

I’m missing two myself, ice

Easy ksm this week

Plus my tyrannical streets is an 11 and top is a 10

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

Ye I just have 'exploratory testing' today for work so you know what that means

I'm about to explore these keys

[spice spire]

Always on the grustle

[timid cloud]

You should explore some bitches instead.

[spice spire]

I’m keying for the first time this week after work

[slow marsh]

Bruh

[spice spire]

Mfer is literally married

[timid cloud]

I’m sorry, that was completely out of line.

[spice spire]

Go look in your own household

[zinc frost]

Streets is decent on tyrannical, just full melee is not fun for mail boss

[slow marsh]

It was a good one tho

[timid cloud]

Hey. I’m happily taken. (Surprisingly.)

[spice spire]

Yeah week one was rough

[timid cloud]

Streets on mail.

[slow marsh]

I did a 17 streets yesterday. Ez mode

[spice spire]

Yeah they’ve nerfed it to oblivion

[timid cloud]

I can’t tell what kinda dungeon it is, Target count is so low it’s like uhhhhh…Outlaw some pulls…

[slow marsh]

Just look for a guardian tank with 4p and you can do anything

[timid cloud]

I might do Sin on the next one.

[spice spire]

Still wanna avoid that place like the plague on fortified weeks

[slow marsh]

Streets is sin

So much to silence

And most pulls 4 or under

[spice spire]

Weird way to say every dungeon but go off

[timid cloud]

I did one key I think but it wasn’t accurate since uh, it was griefed.

[spice spire]

You mean you don’t triple pull before the first boss

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

Sure if you don't have any melee

[timid cloud]

Stasis beamed to hell.

[spice spire]

Oh buddy it was double melee

[slow marsh]

F

[spice spire]

On fort

[timid cloud]

Hope you saved cloak for those beam splitters!!!!

Otherwise…

[subtle tundra]

ASSA EVERYWHEEEEEEEEEEEEERE

[timid cloud]

There he is.

[spice spire]

Based

[subtle tundra]

until you realise its raging week and youre the only soothe

[timid cloud]

LOL

[spice spire]

That’s a GG go next

With 2p I’m not a soothe

Unless it happens to line up

[slow marsh]

Better use that 25s soothe wisely

[subtle tundra]

ngl, for assa only they should make it so it soothes for the whole debuff duration

since its a dps ability

[slow marsh]

Maybe in 10.

[timid cloud]

“You need to Soothe”

[subtle tundra]

they need to soothe my balls

cause they raging rn

gonna try venthyr with 4pc dusk

necro is too hard for me

[timid cloud]

No shot.

Are you still playing DS?

Or did you swap to Vig?

[subtle tundra]

yea, it only got better with 4p

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

Gross venth? Ytho

[timid cloud]

Because…

[slow marsh]

When you could play korayn

[subtle tundra]

.

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

And not troll

[subtle tundra]

wat

[spice spire]

?

[timid cloud]

HUH

This mans is trying to fucking gaslit me on NF SIN???

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

no 2nd leggo yet buddy

[timid cloud]

I got more One Pieces than a manga store.

[slow marsh]

Fae is still better with one leggo

[subtle tundra]

hmmm

[slow marsh]

TO doesn't do much

I mean Necro would for sure be better but if it's too much just play korayn imo

[spice spire]

Are we forgetting obedience exists tho

Especially on tyran

[slow marsh]

One leggo 4p?

[spice spire]

He has 2p

[slow marsh]

Varas has 4

[subtle tundra]

im 4p gaming bro

[spice spire]

Wait varas do you have 4? Thought you just hit 2 yesterday

[slow marsh]

He did then he hit 4 two bosses later 😆

[subtle tundra]

yes

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

dropped helm from anduin and warrior dropped the only piece he didnt need

[zinc frost]

Praying for that same rng for me

[timid cloud]

I pray for all of my brothers.

[spice spire]

My obedience statement is null and void

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Our warrior got pants for the second time

As well

He’s 1p gaming

[timid cloud]

We have only gotten Paladin, Priest, Shaman.

[slow marsh]

Ww has 4p

[timid cloud]

They all nearly have 4P

[slow marsh]

Holy priest has 4p

[spice spire]

We’ve been distributing ethically.

Mystic is hyper fucked in my raid

But the feral Druid has 3p

[timid cloud]

You wanna know how bad it is?

[spice spire]

And like no one else has 1p

[oak sky]

one of our mages has 4p

[timid cloud]

We have like 2 Paladins, 3 Shamans, & 3 Priests.

We almost disenchanted Heroic tier pants or hands the other day.

[zinc frost]

Our demo lock has 4pc and is just slayin

[spice spire]

Dreadful all have 2p but one and same with zenith

[normal mist]

Question about parses: how come my purple parses are like green in ilevel parses?

[timid cloud]

[subtle tundra]

korayin sims -100 dps in dungeon slice for me

compared to theotar

[timid cloud]

Not completely bad.

[austere steppe]

I'm assuming with 4pc, do we treat it like exsan? we would refresh dots during the vendetta and right at the end, and then not reapply till they fall off?

[spice spire]

You’re ilvl range on average does higher damage. Don’t focus on ilvl just your play and what you can improve on

[subtle tundra]

you reapply at the last second of vendetta

[solid venture]

sup fam

[austere steppe]

@solid venture wheres your 4set noob

❤️

[timid cloud]

ilevel parses aren’t super important either, you could straight up be like with no one in that bracket.

[solid venture]

3p gamer

[austere steppe]

should pug 2 normals like me brother

casual luck works a chrm

[solid venture]

i did

i just need a piece from lords / rygelon hc tonight

[austere steppe]

[spice spire]

It’s a guarantee

I’m calling it now

[normal mist]

It's normal raid parses they don't really matter. But just found it weird, always thought it would be the other way (purple on ilevel, green or blue on normal).
I'm at 256 ilevel rn

[timid cloud]

I mean everyone is still doing Normal.

So it kind of has a little bit of value while we’re farming the fuck outta tier.

Only sorta though.

[normal mist]

My best parses is a 96 or 97 on the first boss 😂

With ST build

[slow marsh]

Dang how do you do it

[normal mist]

Playing doomblade

[slow marsh]

I legit just see how much stupid stuff I can get away with on that fight

[frosty cedar]

Weird question, is it possible to see melee uptime on warcraft logs? Ideally as something like a %

[normal mist]

I believe so

[frosty cedar]

like auto attack uptime

[normal mist]

I'm not at home so u can't confirm that tho :(

[slow marsh]

Ye melee uptime

There's a category for uptime just click your name on damage done to see your stuff

[spice spire]

Melee doesn’t show uptime %

[slow marsh]

Oh weird I thought it did

Well then rip

[normal mist]

Question about necrolord: what legendary do we use as necro besides covenant?

[spice spire]

Doomblade before 4p
Duskwalkers once you hit 4p - actual numbers in spreadsheet in pins

Also m+ before 4p is Zoldyck’s and same on pantheon

[timid cloud]

& lords of dread*

[normal mist]

Aight aight. Had doomblade crafted on my gloves (cause pvp stats) and yesterday I Igot gloves tier. Once I get the 2nd tier piece I will have to recraft doomblade. Besides gloves and shoulders, does it go anywhere elese.?

[spice spire]

Cape

[slow marsh]

I wouldn't bother recrafting it personally

[spice spire]

Which is recommended but yeah

[slow marsh]

Better to craft zold boots

More efficient

[spice spire]

Unless gold is literally 0 problem

[slow marsh]

Since you could possibly use zold later but we for sure won't use doom

[zinc frost]

Necro ST with deathspike

[spice spire]

2 extra spikes pal

GIGA dam

[thorn fjord]

burrrrrr

[slow marsh]

You get Kevin for every vend and every shiv

Ez $$

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

My NL is only 60 renown... think it'll be a huge DPS loss if i run it on Dread Lords tonight?

with zold

[slow marsh]

Normal?

[thorn fjord]

H

[timid cloud]

It shouldn’t.

[spice spire]

Nah, venthyr is fine too.
Should try to aim for like 67 or whatever. Do some world bosses

[timid cloud]

Did you kill all the world bosses & do your emmis?

Emmis give renown.

[thorn fjord]

ive done all my world bosses already