assassination

[vernal egret]

so if i change i go back to 40

[hollow river]

yeah

[vernal egret]

ive seen all rogues running venthyr for raids m+

[hollow river]

just depends on how much you're trying to minmax

venthyr is better until double leggo pretty much

in two weeks

it will be NF

Necro for a couple fights

[vernal egret]

'couple fights' is too minmax for me, but i can change to venthyr in general, 40->80 doesnt take too much to level

and i should craft flagelation lego until 2x lego

i think right?>

[hollow river]

yeah but like i said it's only a couple weeks until double leggo

up to you watcha do with it

[vernal egret]

another problem i have is with huge amount of effects compared to what i was used to in wow and i just get confused, and also i put nameplates stack on vertical but its not working as i want, any addons for that or just tips?

[cold rampart]

should we go CT or PB at anduin hc?

[warm drift]

CT

[thin imp]

!plater

[winter vapor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

hey everyone, just got my 2p tier, would i still be rocking venth + obedience lego for M+?

been using lethal poisons and poisoned katar as my potency conduits, would the well-placed steel now be better bc of the tier bonus?

[oak sky]

as venthyr you normally have lashing idk if you just skipped over that one

[strange python]

i just skipped that

i am running lashing too

[oak sky]

most people play wps and lethal poisons in all content because the difference isnt too big

pk is fine for aoe though

and wps doesnt really gain value with the 2p

[strange python]

ezez i guess everything stays the same until i get 4p tier?

and double legos

[oak sky]

conduits are pretty much always the same but covenants swap around a lot

[indigo mulch]

Do you rteally run obe in m+ though?

isent necro better?

[oak sky]

not really

obe is better st and prio

[strange python]

i do for the focus target

[oak sky]

necro is better in aoe

its just a tradeoff

[strange python]

necro i think jsut better overall

yeah what agreon said actually

i aint gonna play necro zoldyck for m+ anymore tho bc i made the lego on my legs and my tier piece is in that slot

[rotund oak]

after 2p isnt supposed necro to be better in general

extra bleeds with doomblade

[oak sky]

in cleave

he was asking about m+ anyway

so doomblade isn't something you run

[indigo mulch]

What soulbind do you run in 2t cleave with necro though?

given you have 2p and doomblade

[oak sky]

heimir rn might be marileth later

[limber lion]

Heirmir

[rotund oak]

i mean in general,cleave/st/m+ u name it

[indigo mulch]

You still dump sbs during gem?

[oak sky]

yep

[indigo mulch]

What about 4t cleave?

Like pantheon

[oak sky]

heirmir also

marileth is mostly good either in st or when you can get add resets

[indigo mulch]

So like.. guardian and rylegon?

[oak sky]

sure yeah

[indigo mulch]

I'm guessing your running subt ds and ct on 2t+

[oak sky]

yep

[indigo mulch]

ct > envenom outside of shiv

[oak sky]

oh other reset fight is dausegne

[indigo mulch]

?

Is there adds on sausage?

[oak sky]

yeah you maintain the ct dot

yes

theres an add on sausage

[indigo mulch]

Ahh yeah

He dies instantly so i forget about him lul

[strange python]

wait so for M+ if i have 2p zoldyck necro is better?

[oak sky]

not really

still about the same, good at different things

[strange python]

hmm why does icy veins say to craft zoldyck on legs if tier piece goes there?

[oak sky]

Should be on boots for this tier

Probably just got left unchanged from before

[strange python]

yeah thats im going to do was just double checking online

so i thought that was weird

[oak sky]

@marble hemlock should your iv guide say boots for zold for this tier cuz of set conflicts?

[marble hemlock]

It will when you can reasonably expect everybody to have set legs, but until you do, why would you put it on boots. I'll add a disclaimer though, you're definitely right about that

[oak sky]

Gotcha that totally makes sense

Figured i would ping you in case it was just something you missed over :)

[marble hemlock]

Yeah absolutely, appreciate it

Basically, if you don't have the gold to recraft later or already have set pants and need them to complete a bonus, boots are the play. But there's also situations where pants are the better choice, especially during early prog when people don't have sets yet.

I.e i have 3 pieces, so i just play zold on pants and wear 2pc

[strange python]

ahh i see

[oak sky]

I picked up boots today because i only have hands and pants

It sort of randomly happened that i needed zold for a key and i figured i might as well

[marble hemlock]

I lowkey think that you either wanna play deathspike atm, or Duskwalker already, but hard to say

[strange python]

does this forum have a guide for rotation using necro zoldyck in m+

[marble hemlock]

There isn't really a set rotation

[strange python]

is it the same as obedience, aoe rupture 2-3, crimson and evenom?

[marble hemlock]

Theres a bunch of priorities, if you play really well and the pull is big enough, you can do all of them at the same time. But it's basically:
-Maintain SnD
-Maintain CT
-Use Garrote on CD
-Rupture everything that's gonna live its full duration

[strange python]

ahh ezez

mass aoe how many targets would you rupture?

2-3?

[strange silo]

How big is the 2p in m+ guys? is it a big increase or okeish? i guess we still cant really compete with sub?

[limber lion]

It's pretty massive.

[limber lion]

Every target

[strange python]

ohhh okay

thats the difference then between obedience and zoldyck

[limber lion]

What is?

With both legendaries you slap ruptures on everything

The only difference is playing for prio damage or not, which is when you can stop reapplying ruptures when yoy're at energy saturation

Regardless of legendary

[strange python]

obedience i would just maintain rupture at 2-3 then i'd envenom

interesting

[limber lion]

Yeh, you don't do that.

[strange python]

guess i been playing wrong

[strange silo]

oh really? that sounds nice maybe i can be a help in m+ then 😄 at the moment i pretty much suck ass in m+ dmg wise

[limber lion]

But yeh, the 2p is a very sizeable buff. I've yet to lose to a sub rogue with or without their 2p on overall damage, but their 2p kinda sucks for m+

But yeh, rogues are more often than not the prio damage boys, so overall damage is kinda whatever

A monk will still do double your overall dps lol

[strange python]

hmm yeah so thats whre i got it from, icy veins says 4 targets max

[agile osprey]

If sub's 4pc shadowstrikes can proc the 2pc won't it gain a little more value then?

[limber lion]

Yeh but Shadow Blades is just not too great in aoe. You already cap out on cp and it's just slightly bit more damage

Much better for single target though.

[agile osprey]

also.... how do secondaries work with the belt of unity? Do we get to pick them?

[umbral rapids]

The quest reward no

Is it vers mastery or something awful?

[agile osprey]

fuckkk lol

[umbral rapids]

I can’t remember

Oh crit vers apparently

Not awful nvm

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/unlocking-double-legendaries-shadowlands-patch-9-2

[agile osprey]

At least thats a big win for sub

[umbral rapids]

I mean that’s good for multispeccing

[agile osprey]

Ah but the belt is only 265 anyways, crafting so many 291's this tier....

[marble hemlock]

@strange python @oak sky i added a line to make sure people understand that legs are only the correct choice if you dont need the tier legs to complete the 2pc/4pc or dont wanna recraft later, thanks for pointing it out 🙂

[limber lion]

np

[manic pebble]

what is the opening with 2 bosses?

[candid token]

Heya, I was looking of getting into Assassin incase I need it for Prototype and Lords of Dread, just incse whilst we're not there yet. Would I Sim for Patchwerk 2 bosses? Or regular, or something else?

[limber lion]

something like gar sbs gar snd sbs

doesn't really matter. Slam garrotes on both targets, slam sbs on both targets, get SnD up and running quickly

[manic pebble]

I see

I've been using MA this whole time

lol

[limber lion]

That's fine, just use a garrote on the second target whenever you can

WIth MA you probs want to open Sbs Slice Muti

[slender berry]

i know this belongs in #pvp but maybe someone here knows what weapon this tweet might refert to https://twitter.com/cdew_wow/status/1502941885693927430

Liquid Cdew (@cdew_wow)

My predictions for nerfs after cup #1. New bullshit trinket, Assassination rogues pve weapons, dh damage.

Twitter · Mar 13, 2022, 9:37 AM

[limber lion]

Probs just referring to Edge of Night

[slender berry]

i thought that as well but no a) no ones using it in pvp b) its alot worse on assa so why would he say assa rogues

[gusty mirage]

Ton of people using it in pvp

[limber lion]

Probs salty that he dies to people using it

also what

[gusty mirage]

Including yours truly

[limber lion]

EoN is busted in PvP

[gusty mirage]

One EoN proc and people melt lol

[slender berry]

i guess people with high rating just dont have it

thats why i dont see anyoen use it

[limber lion]

Also Assa is the more common spec so makes sense to complain about that

rather than the Sub rogue which you don't see as much

[gusty mirage]

Nah, all high rated rogues for the most part play rogue-mage and that’s all sub

[limber lion]

Like I've seen multiple oneshots with EoN with people just getting 2 b2b procs with Envenom - MfD - Envenom burst

[limber lion]

but that's just that specific comp and 2's

But yeh

This is not #pvp

[gusty mirage]

3s too

Rmp/rmpal

[limber lion]

There is no special weapon for assassination

or any other rogue spec

other than EoN

[slender berry]

rygelon caster weapon for the big vers

if that even proccs with out "spells"

[sturdy merlin]

Hey I'm going to fight lords of dread tonight and i need some help about 2 target rotation while running deeper stratagem, it looks like the sim uses finisher at 4cp https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pLrG3Qp7efLjiAbcuLRxer

Is that a thing or the sim is just very lucky and crits everytime ?

[limber lion]

Just from this triple mutilate you can see that is not the case.

The sim uses finishers at max-1 like you would think.

You would have to be super unlucky for this to even happen

More often than not you use 2 mutilates to get to 5-6cp

It's super rare for all 4 of your hits not to crit once when our basecrit is around 40%

It's fine to apply your initial rupture at 4combo points to get the energy rolling

And Slice at 2 cp

But every other time you use a finisher, you want to use it at max-1

[sturdy merlin]

There is only 2 triple mutilate in a 9 minute sim that is why i was asking, most of the time it casts 2 mut without garroting so i assume 1 mut was a crit

Or sometimes there is stuff like this

But i get your point

[sonic schooner]

Yout sim is just showing 40.9% crit on mutilate

Seems fine

[limber lion]

Yeah because not getting 5-6 cp with 2 mutilates at 40% crit is a 12.96% chance

87.04% of the time you get 5-6cp from the 2 mutilates

[subtle tundra]

ok cev master mathematician

[sturdy merlin]

👍🏻 great i'll just stick to the basics rules thanks for the help

yep big maths from Cev

[limber lion]

@sturdy merlin this actually got me wondering why this is

And apparently the sim specifies 4+ cp for rupture without a variable for deeper stratagem

Let me try some sims out

I might eat my tongue, if Rupture logic is 4+ cp instead of max-1, but seems odd to me

@sturdy merlin

I stand corrected, it is completely fine to reapply ruptures at 3-6 combo points on 1-2 targets. Stick to 4+ combo points for 3 or more targets.

You do not need to force max-1 cp from ruptures.

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll make sure to preach 4CP ruptures from now on

[sturdy merlin]

Ok that's very cool

[frosty cedar]

i see

[limber lion]

I have to point out that the 3-6CP logic only works for 1-2 targets, for other target counts the logic of 4+ works much better. So feel free to slam ruptures at 4-6cp's whenever you can

[hardy dagger]

what do we think of rygelon assa or sub?

[limber lion]

Easily Assa

[hardy dagger]

go necro and try to have as much uptime on kevin as possible?

[limber lion]

Yes

[candid token]

Would I need to sim Patchwerk 2 bosses 9 minutes for Prototype and Lords of Dread?

[limber lion]

Sure

4 targets 3min execute probs fine for Pantheon

[hollow escarp]

I simmed 4 targets execute patchwerk for pantheon

because that's the only place you NEED the damage

[candid token]

I see, Im sorry I havnt simmed for Assassin since 8.3, thank you ^-^

[vestal wren]

jup

[limber lion]

Good input, fuu

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tQtcwyDgfU3GMjGtPjqDWp/simc

why did the above hide the numbers XD

[limber lion]

Monka variance

[viscid spear]

Sub

[vestal wren]

50 to 0, 4 targets

assassination with zold

[hollow escarp]

[vestal wren]

that assassination variance is rly clean

[gusty mirage]

Live by the sylv daggers, die by the sylv daggers

Best roll those numbers just right

[limber lion]

Biggest variance comes from the 4p

Sub rekt

Unluck

[gusty mirage]

Let’s point and laugh at them

Outlaw’s more consistent than you sub rogues, how do you like them apples?

[viscid spear]

[uneven summit]

So it seems my necro is simming ahead of venthyr on ST 😮 anyone else experiencing this fun?

[echo geyser]

i thought the only way to play sin was necro

[uneven summit]

Maybe maybe maybe

[hollow escarp]

I think my venthyr sims 50-100 more than necro

with 2p

[uneven summit]

Which souldbind you necroplayers playing then

Merileth sims abit higher for me

[gusty mirage]

That seems…. odd considering how close they are now and 2pc cranks sbs

[hollow escarp]

yeah, that's what triggered me

when I had to craft a 291 legendary

[gusty mirage]

You simming necro with DS?

[hollow escarp]

hmm, I can't remember, need to check lol

I know for sure I picked mfd and vigor

[uneven summit]

my venthyr is like 12 behind with nadija compared to merileth necro with 2 set

[gusty mirage]

Yeah try it with strata @hollow escarp you may be pleasantly surprised

[hollow escarp]

I'm still in sub prison until we kill anduin

[echo geyser]

ive not done a single sin sim i think yet

[gusty mirage]

Mood

[echo geyser]

im running heirmir

didnt know marileth can be the move for st

[hollow escarp]

I like kevin, even if he depleted my 18 ToP

[gusty mirage]

Pretty sure the general guideline is Heimir unless you can get resets on sbs then marileth pulls ahead. @limber lion am I remembering this right?

[vestal wren]

heimir seemed to be best in general in multi target for sure

[hollow escarp]

everybody has all sorts of gear now

and marileth and heimir not being that far from each other, might make marileth be top

[echo geyser]

do adds in raid give u marileth corpse buffs or not

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[limber lion]

My Venthyr is around 350 dps higher on single for me with 2p

[vestal wren]

i was surprised to see emeni slightly ahead in single target

[uneven summit]

i got my venthyr up to 122 dps more than necro now

[warm drift]

is necro fine on anduin hc?

or stick venthyr?

ill stick necro tonight nvm ! 🙂

[drowsy parcel]

marileth is 150 dps over heirmir for me

team kevin

i would play marileth even if it was the other way

just a better soulbind

more defensive and more versatile

[rotund oak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#difficulty=4&class=Rogue

pantheon assa/zoldyck

😄

im so h@rny

gief tier set

[hollow escarp]

👀

[rotund oak]

and lords of dread

big poggers

[echo geyser]

idk what to play on rygelon

necro sin marileth

outlaw

or sub

[rotund oak]

sub rc would be the strongest out of the 3

[hollow escarp]

ramzam

[echo geyser]

[rotund oak]

im gonna play assa for raid most likely

[hollow escarp]

when I get 4 set I'm only playing sub on Halondrus

assa rest

[rotund oak]

halondrus can be sin

but ye the double step

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[rotund oak]

😄

im crafting zoldyck's as well

im getting rly hyped with assa this tier

the tier set is F@KIN' D O P E

need to train the CT tech though

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vDGSz7kLz5bUa9iBWZzLSt

if u sim zoldycks on normal patchwerk, does it even get used?

or u have to add some execute/boss hp lines?

[earnest grotto]

guys what are the dream combo trinkets for sin

phial/totem still?

[winter vapor]

I just got elegy at 265 and its simming lower -.-

[rotund oak]

first sigil/cache iirc

[rotund oak]

no idea but whats wrong with this ridiculous number 😅

15k is unreal

[echo geyser]

its 2target

[rotund oak]

yy just noticed

also the 2p

looks like a lords of the dread sim 😉

[echo geyser]

yep

[rotund oak]

need to see this on a screen,to understand how it works

dont think there is room for envenoms at all

just refresh bleeds and CT

[spice spire]

yes it shows on sim

easy way to do it is to only have that + another 262 boot in sims and you'll see the legendary much higher 😛

[echo geyser]

zoldycks seem safe haste crit on boots right

like the slot wont change

[vestal wren]

you can put this in in expert mode:```enemy="ramlus target dummy"
enemy_initial_health_percentage="50"

[spice spire]

yeah that's a pretty safe combination

[echo geyser]

ill grab a pair of 291 then for fun

[limber lion]

Yes, Patchwork is a simulation of a fight where the hp goes from 100% to 0%

So you get normal execute phase for the last 30%

[echo geyser]

vigilant guardian, pantheon, lords of dread seems good to use zoldycks on right

idek if i need to make a dashing/doomblade at all

thats a lotta stats upgrade

from 85 agi

[timid cloud]

Cev hates Doomblade.

Always says “Is this 9.0?!”

[limber lion]

!ban @timid cloud spreading misinformation

you survive this round.

[craggy nimbus]

So Zoldyck goes best on boots due to set om legs right?

[timid cloud]

LOL

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[timid cloud]

Yes.

[craggy nimbus]

Alright cool, ty. I might craft and use those while waiting for 4 set bonus.

[lone junco]

does zoeldick bonus scale with Ilvl? or fixed % gains]

[limber lion]

Every single legendary in the game has the same effect regardless of ilvl.

It's the same at 190 and 291 and everything between

the only thing that changes is the stats of the item

[echo geyser]

now the real question is

do i even go dagger lootspec for hc ryg

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

but lower chance for tier

[gusty mirage]

tier drops off a separate loot table

the tokens are considered "bonus"

[echo geyser]

100% sure?

[slender berry]

in theory it shouldnt affect it

[gusty mirage]

couldn't be more positive

[slender berry]

but only the blizzard intern that programmed it knows for sure

[echo geyser]

im still scared

[slow marsh]

no tier is 100% bonus loot which is part of the reason why it's so annoying to get a raid team their 4p since for a 20 player raid only 2/3 pieces drop

[echo geyser]

but i trust oxi

but

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/tier-drops-as-extra-loot-number-of-tier-drops-from-sepulcher-bosses-tier-set-325598

[echo geyser]

have u ever looted tier + an item

[slow marsh]

You can get tier + item

[echo geyser]

i believe u oxi

[slow marsh]

ye

[echo geyser]

but im snake oil

[gusty mirage]

bro I haven't looted shit except trinkets and cloaks

[echo geyser]

i cant risk it

even if they said its bonus loot

[slow marsh]

bro

trust

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

our brew got an item + tier

[slow marsh]

it's a win win either way

[gusty mirage]

if that's any consolation

[echo geyser]

ok then ill do it

[gusty mirage]

the other rogue and I have 1 tier piece between us

[slow marsh]

Someone looted mythic anduin tier from vault and that makes me sad tbh

But wont beat that dead horse here

[brazen zodiac]

i got the mythic gloves from livhiuth

the tier gods were nice to me last week

they'll be nice to u tomorrow too just wait and see

[gusty mirage]

I got normal gloves

[slow marsh]

I got ilvl chest from vault

[gusty mirage]

I filled out 9 boxes

[slow marsh]

same

[gusty mirage]

and rolled gloves in the worst slot

[slow marsh]

i even did pvp

i still kinda want to do more pvp but that 9 box with no tier made me real sad

[gusty mirage]

I'm still going to pvp, because it's the only part of the game I'm enjoying right now

[slow marsh]

But i've had almost god-like loot rng outside of vault so far so I can't complain too much

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Yeah I had more fun with pvp than I expected

[strange python]

is this our bis neck should i go and upgrade it

[violet hemlock]

well u got it at 259 instead of 262 sad

[slow marsh]

yes after socket until then pretty sure KT neck still beats it

[strange python]

how do we socket stuff in 9.2 lol

[slow marsh]

secret tech

[gusty mirage]

roll better numbers

[strange python]

i dont have kt neck tho

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

it's gonna be a long patch they have to give us something to do

[frigid kestrel]

You lucky ass bastard

Fight the good fight

[gusty mirage]

I just want 2pc so I can get my 2400 in 3s

[frigid kestrel]

How hard is Holondrous to pug? I’m thinking of try to pug Heroic and wish I get my last drop so can see how the 4pc feels?

[balmy condor]

That’s gonna be pain

[lavish lichen]

Pug is rough

Best shot is to find a guild that might need an extra dps

[hollow dirge]

I managed to get a kill with a pug literally a minute before last week’s reset, but after like 20 shit grps😂

This week though, it was a breeze with a guild

[frigid kestrel]

Guild ain’t touching it this week, gonna be a long night I guess

[vestal wren]

lfr is also a option 😛

[frigid kestrel]

I beat it in LFR already, and god I hate that place

[winter vapor]

is elegy just crap or am I missing something? Simming very low despite being 14 ilevels higher

[limber lion]

It is pretty crap yeh

[winter vapor]

welp

rip

[limber lion]

you obviously give some benefit to your team, so it is what it is

could be decent if it sims similarly to your current trinkets

[brazen zodiac]

sup cev

[solid venture]

guilds are hard slacking mythic it seems, just did 1st boss and we're rank 139 world rn

[slow marsh]

guilds aren't really bothering right now because clearing 10/11 heroic is more important right now

[solid venture]

yeah

we've yet to kill anduin on heroic

[slow marsh]

Yeah so that 1/11 mythic isn't really doing a whole lot of good when you're missing out on tier bosses ya know what I mean

Other than maybe getting a couple pieces to make anduin easier but he's more of a mechanic check than dam check imo

[thin trout]

anyone experiences crazy lag on andruin (heroic) when the LK spawns with shitloads of adds we get like 1-2 sec delay on evrey single ability

[real bay]

yea garbo boss

[gusty mirage]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[echo geyser]

vigilant guardian mythic

marileth or heimir

[drowsy parcel]

marileth

[trim zinc]

LMAO

180khp

[pure moth]

Ouch

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-ron-swanson-screaming-scream-screams-gif-21763857

[trim zinc]

hype

[strange python]

doomblade or zold on lords

[limber lion]

Zoldy

[balmy condor]

On lords?

Is there secret execute tech I don’t know about

[limber lion]

very poggy zoldygang

@echo geyser #9

[cold rampart]

protoype?

[limber lion]

Lord

[cold rampart]

wow

[bleak sky]

mfd gamers

[balmy condor]

But doomblade > zold in 2 targets

[clever kindle]

[jade minnow]

even if the <30 phase is long? On mythic its gonna be even longer

[subtle tundra]

i havent simmed once this patch yet and im scared

of how shit my gear is

[balmy condor]

I don’t know what would cause the <30 phase to be so much longer than usual

Am i forgetting a mechanic

[jade minnow]

just more hp i guess

[balmy condor]

They get more hp under 30?

Like a heal on mythic?

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e95XVcVn8GNGkkKgRyKVKh

not with 2p

[balmy condor]

Tier set :/

Must be nice

:/

[limber lion]

2P?

Zoldyck

[balmy condor]

But like what’s this longer lords thing about

Cause we’re getting there on heroic tomorrow

And uh

I didn’t know there was a mech

[subtle tundra]

pro tip: dont touch ebola on the ground

[drifting cloud]

sim always lusts on pull right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

we lusted 2nd swarm which is 3min

[clever kindle]

looks like the top heroic parses are about 9 mins where the top normals are about 6 mins

[subtle tundra]

we wouldnt know how nice it is, would we?

[clever kindle]

well actually 8:30 I guess is the lower end for heroic

[subtle tundra]

maaaaaan doing high keys as assa without 2pc felt like inting today

[echo geyser]

dont say that

i made 291 zoldycks

[subtle tundra]

especially since i was playing with mm hunter, they were doing 18k

[subtle tundra]

if you have 2pc, its fine

[echo geyser]

i do

[subtle tundra]

you did good

fuck you 2pc enjoyer

i shall hate every 2pc haver

until i have

[balmy condor]

Fucking tier bonus users bro

Wtf

[subtle tundra]

disgusting players

ngl

[limber lion]

:(

[indigo mulch]

I got 3p 😦

sadge

[subtle tundra]

i did a 16 mists boost today and i finished 15.8k overall, if i had 2pc it could've been a 17ker

[limber lion]

nah

18k

[subtle tundra]

i will cry

[indigo mulch]

I don't understand how to do well in m+ as sin :/

Well i do understand how to, i'm just not capable of doing it 😄

[red plaza]

Sin in keys is tough for me this season because of the Enchanted orbs and tab targeting. I always end up putting 1 or 2 garrotes into the orbs 😦

[soft merlin]

rank 1 on lords boys

we made it

[limber lion]

gg

[soft merlin]

hidden log tho but ye

https://gyazo.com/308360f7d45724d820dd4fb66c8e1c8d

😄

[gusty mirage]

allow me to cry you a river

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-me-a-river-justin-timberlake-gif-7925376

[indigo mulch]

Thank you.

[woeful wigeon]

@balmy condor m+ as sin necro with who ? wanne try it out

[bleak sky]

#assassination-faq

[obtuse robin]

step # 1 get cache trinket

[limber lion]

hello whispyr-sama here, you should play marileth probably haha or maybe sim it!!

[woeful wigeon]

ty @bleak sky

[limber lion]

np

[woeful wigeon]

and you also XD cev

[limber lion]

just play heirmir

be a king

[spice spire]

Based

[oak sky]

I did a key with kevin yesterday my uptime was like 68% but it could always be higher

[quasi grotto]

Not used to multi target as sin and I just can't get the flow , any tips on getting it going right ? Don't to bad on 2 targets but 4 I lose my mind

[limber lion]

You just have to do it a bunch and you'll get used to it

A good plater profile helps on AoE

[quasi grotto]

Yeah I feel my plates stack badly

[limber lion]

Just prio keeping CT up, garrote on cooldown, using Envenom to keep SnD up and that's about it

slapping ruptures on anything that moves if everything aforementioned is chillin

I have em both

but I would recommend against it if you're short on gold honestly

[quasi grotto]

Okay so rupture becomes the least prio?

[limber lion]

It's not too big of an improvement and the SECOND you get 4p, you end up tossing both

[clever kindle]

selling prog essences to fuel legendary purchases

[limber lion]

Once you have 1-2 up, yes

Or well, using Envenom is the lowest priority out of everything

But keeping up SnD is the highest prio

So using Envenom is both the highest prio and lowest prio

if that makes sense

[quasi grotto]

That will be where I'm going wrong I'm focusing ruptures ad garrotes

Yeah makes sense

Got 2p now and barely sticking ~11k

[limber lion]

don't worry about it too much

just keep slamming m+ and you'll get used to it the more you play

[quasi grotto]

I'm a sub where for m+

Whore

I have more questions sorry cev 😂

When we vendetta, do we stil focus dots

Or we switch to single target focus ?

And is theo better with LP ?

[limber lion]

In AoE you just slap Vendetta on something and continue reapplying bleeds

It's different if you want to focus something down and want to fully prio-focus it

But for overall you just send it and forget it

[limber lion]

You play 3 potency with Theo, so you go Lashing, WPS and LP

[zinc frost]

Just don’t accidentally vendetta a relic like I did last night

[quasi grotto]

Thanks alot cev, see how I get on Tuesday!

[signal robin]

What’s the best Spec for the current raid tier now for rogues

[bleak sky]

yes

[strange python]

reading that hurts me .. because ive done it too

[brazen zodiac]

i got it from the weekly

based

[balmy condor]

You definitely shouldn’t upgrade obedience

That would be trolling

Obedience gets replaced by unity in a little over 1 week

Dashing is questionable

[subtle tundra]

wasnt it 1 week and a bit?

[balmy condor]

Yeah my fingers are fat

[red plaza]

Direct your raid lead to Whispyrs pin XD

[subtle tundra]

in what guild are ya wtf

[red plaza]

Or just craft Zoldyk on feet since you use that over ob on patheon

[balmy condor]

Yeh probably

[balmy condor]

I’m assuming like world rank 1500 guild “we could kill it with 3 more ilvl on everyone”

I saw some crazy shit down there

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

Like insane requirements

[limber lion]

I probably wouldn't upgrade either if it's tight

Just wait 2 weeks and then upgrade Unity to 291

[balmy condor]

I apped to a “casual” mythic guild, basically aotc + whatever they get down

They declined me because I didn’t have an alt of a different role

I’m like I have a warrior?

No, you play melee

So you need a ranged dps

[oak sky]

Thats not real is it surely not

[balmy condor]

It’s for comp

[balmy condor]

Bro I literally could not make this shit up

[oak sky]

1500

[balmy condor]

It’s a hell hole in the “we’re better than the aotc guilds but we don’t get CE” land

[oak sky]

So unreal bro like nobody good would ever force you to have off role alts

Alts yes but off role never give a shit

[limber lion]

bruh

I don't even have an alt and I play in a famed guild

[oak sky]

Ye

[limber lion]

people are nuts

[oak sky]

Ceveriontwo making a reappearance

[limber lion]

hell no

c2 is goner for good

[balmy condor]

Post gif deleting character or you’re lying

[oak sky]

Whoa there buddy

[limber lion]

[woven ruin]

Are we going to need a base item for the unity wrist? Or just the 265 unity piece and the upgrade reagents?

[gusty mirage]

you'll need the base item

[whole wadi]

you get the bases belt from the campaign, and then once ur revered and done the quest u can buy the power which you'll need a base item like a normal leggo

[gusty mirage]

we all get the belt from the campaign though

[whole wadi]

the rogue unity belt from campaign is 265 base and has crit/vers

[gusty mirage]

the leather belt is crit/vers, not just for rogues

[hidden bloom]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[dusky abyss]

does sin do any prepull leggo swaps like sub?

[bleak sky]

no

[hidden bloom]

sylvana's dagger still bis for assa ?

[limber lion]

No

[hidden bloom]

nice, ty

[lavish lichen]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

Man just blasts past the faq

And the pins

0/2

:/

[hidden bloom]

thank you

[cold rampart]

anyone got 4 set ? wanna check the dmg

[limber lion]

Maybe you should add something like " ❗ READ THIS FIRST ❗ " next to the name of the FAQ category

like we have for Spec Discussion

not that anyone ever pays any attention to this anyways

[balmy condor]

Yeah cause that’s working great

[limber lion]

[halcyon zealot]

required alts in a non HoF guild is wild, non CE is.... outlandish

[limber lion]

a lot.

[cold rampart]

am looking at the logs didnt find any

[bleak sky]

imagine not having 4 bucket characters at world ranking 1000

[halcyon zealot]

liquid has 6 mirror mains so i must too!

[hollow escarp]

I only have 2 buckets 😦

[limber lion]

good

[strange python]

Sooon

[balmy condor]

Yeah it was pretty

[oak sky]

Already setting them up for next tier by raiding in 2 guilds

Oh wait

Thats you

[fringe kraken]

You should be revered by the time you get the belt if you did the world quests every day

[bleak sky]

bruh

why you coming for me like that

[viscid spear]

Every time you enter one of the spec channels it automatically redirects you to the respective FAQ channel

[timid cloud]

This one SIMPLE trick that DOCTORS HATE

Anduin prog boys.

[strange python]

We kept dying to the second Abom spawn

just barely

:”(

[misty holly]

How can a aotc guild be so picky and still get applicants? There must be something else about that guild. I bet there is a celebrity playing in it or something.

Maybe that was Henry Cavill's guild.

[umbral tulip]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gloomy violet]

with out the tier set , for assassintion raid , is nf better ? or ven

[storm belfry]

i see without tier set it says to use dashing, could i still use duskwalkers in keys w/o tier set?

just so i dont gotta craft so much cause my rogue is my alt

[slow marsh]

tell me why my group has mm hunter in wft group instead of rogue , dh , dk , or even tanks

[storm belfry]

[limber lion]

No, Duskwalkers is really, really bad.

[storm belfry]

so thats only viable in 4p?

[limber lion]

Yes

[brazen zodiac]

oh boy i cant wait

[storm belfry]

so just unity and scoundrel in keys til then?

[limber lion]

Unity and Zoldyck

A 190 Zoldyck will do you better than a 235 Dashing

You don't really want to play Dashing in keys

[storm belfry]

i figured

just going by what i read

guess they meant raid

[sand inlet]

!trinkets

[strange python]

i stay griefing my keys with dashing

lmao

[storm belfry]

zoldyck on feet yeah?>

[oak sky]

@limber lion are you necro or venth for anduin

kinda unsure if necro is just pad

[dawn ivy]

id assume you have to go venth

😮

[limber lion]

Yeh

[limber lion]

Venth with Dashing

[oak sky]

k

[limber lion]

Don't have to put up any bleeds in intermission

because Dashing gives you energy saturation

[oak sky]

dashing over obe

[limber lion]

ya

[oak sky]

sounds kinda nice on that fight honestly

flag lines up better

[limber lion]

yeh, gotta sit quite a bit with obe here and there

it's a bit awkward

[oak sky]

ct with dashing is a bit cringe

[limber lion]

no it's not

I mean yeah you don't use it in ST

but it's super omega busted in intermission

You slam Env - FoK - CT

and then

FoK - CT - FoK - CT - FoK - CT

[dawn ivy]

filthy padder

https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550

[pure moth]

if it works, it works.

[limber lion]

just doing as I'm told

with 4p I would full funnel on the Remnant

[oak sky]

im not tryna burn the first littles set

but ill go dashing

i need 4p just so i can make my 291 dusk

[limber lion]

Yeah even then it's just the superior choice

[oak sky]

yeah ik

im just not gonna cp spam

ct

[limber lion]

You literally can just full focus on the Remnant and never have to put up any bleeds

Just full Vend/Flag the remnant, switching to Monstrous when it's low

then back to Rem

[oak sky]

yep

then 2nd set i can do the envenom buff ct spam

then full focus the add

[limber lion]

Yeh

[oak sky]

i dont care about pad yet just trying to make sure I'm going the right setup

[limber lion]

Yeh

I mean I'm sure using Dashing will ensure you the most boss damage during the intermission

Which translates to 300% boss damage on the actual boss

so you want to emphasize it as much as possible

with enough boss dps on intermission, you can skip the second, harder bit completely

or well, most of it

[oak sky]

we won't have a crazy level of dam

so I gotta carry it as hard as possible

[limber lion]

yep

[bleak sky]

fok -> 1 cp -> cry

[storm belfry]

[upbeat needle]

fok -> 1cp -> swap sub

swap sub -> manually refresh snd -> swap sin

[brazen zodiac]

fok -> 1cp -> cry -> uninstall

[strange python]

my is it even a thimg

thing

imagine if it gave 5 cp every time..

with a lot of targets ofc

[timid cloud]

I don’t like the timings for Sub on Anduin, I’ll just play Sin next time.

NL Zoldys.

[slow marsh]

wut

[timid cloud]

I said what I said.

[slow marsh]

I mean obviously i'm all for playing sin but sub timings are real nice

[timid cloud]

I meant where I'm having to use my stuff, my specific scenario.

[slow marsh]

o

[junior bough]

I've been messing with my head for a week, I raid HC, I'm venthyr , I don't like ardenweald even though he's the best, so... which two legendary should I use as a pve unitarget? (Obedience on cloak and Duskwalker's Patch on ring?), my confusion is because I see that Zoldyck is also mentioned, but honestly I don't feel comfortable with that legendary ... (I really like your guide, I try to orient myself in your wowhead article, I'm interested in your opinion) @balmy condor

Thanks if someone solves my doubt.

[balmy condor]

well obedience is getting replaced with unity

unity is all the cov legos in one, swaps when you swap covenants

so you really only get a choice on 1 legendary

with 4pc, you would play duskwalker, regardless of covenant

zoldyck might be better on some fights, like pantheon

because the aoe is stronger

so really should have both

but duskwalker is so strong with tier that you kinda just get unity, get duskwalker

and then never unequip them

[static coral]

Is it fair to say 4pc sin isn’t very competitive for m+?

[bleak sky]

it's fair to say sin isn't very competitive for m+

[static coral]

Is outlaw atleast alright?

Or is sub runnin away with it

[zinc frost]

Sub just does everything better in keys unfortunately. You can definitely play both for high keys but when it’s like 25 + and over sub usually is the play

[static coral]

Fair Ty.

[bleak sky]

ye up until the high high keys anything is fair game

[junior bough]

Thanks for taking your time to help and respond ^^, I just wanted to know if once I get the 4p those two legendaries would be a decent option for casual raid hc. I have seen some guides or logs where they say that if you are venting obedience and duskwalker they were a decent combination.

[balmy condor]

yeah you're forced to play obedience through unity

[junior bough]

perfect Whispyr. My last question is... Vigor or Deeper Stratagem? I am currently going with deeper.

[balmy condor]

marked for death until you get duskwalker and tier, then deeper

[subtle tundra]

Big cap 🧢

[balmy condor]

Cope

[static coral]

I wish i knew what both of these meant

[subtle tundra]

Whispyr is sub scum

🍌

[balmy condor]

Mad cause struggling to keep up with the goated dps

Mans huffin and puffing like the big bad wolf, blowing his way down to the bottom of the meters

Unlucky

Washed and old I guess

[bleak sky]

2200 io speaking opinion not valid

[rotund oak]

Eating cold pizza while readign the beef

dont mind me

[balmy condor]

2400* excuse you and that’s only low because of inflation, you know what that is, because I said it with authority and reason

I don’t trust any mofo under 4700 in my +7

[rotund oak]

Imagine flexing for r.io this early

also

STOP BULLYING WHISPYR

[balmy condor]

HOW DARE PEOPLE NOT ENJOY PUSHING CONTENT WITH NO REWARDS

Literally if you’re a +15 vault spammer 2100 pvper

Don’t even speak to me man

[bleak sky]

nah it's last season

[balmy condor]

You have to be CE 3k io 2700 2’s and 3’s (no rbg’s cringe) multiglad on 7 characters

Or else you are nothing

[bleak sky]

as a casual player I don't trust whispyr guide on m+ because he's a 2.1k io brainlet

[rotund oak]

ppl are toxic im raising my shield here!

[bleak sky]

I only trust zerocool because he's 3k io

[balmy condor]

Okay calm down that’s basically a slur

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

why are you attacking me like this

[balmy condor]

Our boomkin would never invite scum like you

[bleak sky]

bbut for real though

[gusty mirage]

sorry I can't hear you from the bottom of the meters with my 2pc

[bleak sky]

imagine not being CE 4k io

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/money-make-it-rain-rain-guap-dollar-gif-7391084

unlucky

embed fail

[bleak sky]

epic embed fail

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-gif-21166005

[rotund oak]

we dont have this on outlaw channel u guys gutting each other 😦

[oak sky]

me when i see nochill getting pi on every boss

[hollow river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/878238978191556689/ezgif-3-db6c14debbb0.gif

around here, we only group with gigachads anyway

[balmy condor]

Infiniteheat hard syncing flag+vend on halondrus

[oak sky]

bro my raid is so dumb

[hollow river]

Did my first raid on warr today

[oak sky]

everyone was actively avoiding pi and guardians

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

and i was like

well if its best on me ill take it

then they gave it to me even though its definitely not best

[bleak sky]

fuck fairies

hate fairies

[oak sky]

bro faeries are so bad

like

he casts it twice on me in p1 anduin and i gain 0 casts of vendetta if i hold for intermission

and not only that, i never saw my priest pi me when the macro tells him to

[hollow river]

Whispyr

[oak sky]

like why even ask me to make it

[hollow river]

Are you playing assa for all fights?

[oak sky]

hes not

pantheon and lords

[hollow river]

I figured not

Same

[oak sky]

arent you arms tho

op on those fights ye

[hollow river]

Wot

My warr is fury

But I’m still maining rogue

[oak sky]

o

[balmy condor]

Yeh pantheon and lords for sin

[hollow river]

Was hoping to play sin all tier

[balmy condor]

I’m considering sin OTP after 4pc

[hollow river]

But sub is too good for some fights

[oak sky]

sin is fine bro

[balmy condor]

But I might not be able to swap off sub

[hollow river]

Nah bro it’s really not

[oak sky]

i can gap my raid on every fight just as well on sin as sub

ngl

[hollow river]

Not for me anyway

[balmy condor]

If halondrus stays hard

[hollow river]

Melee spots are a lot more competitive in my guild this tier

[balmy condor]

I don’t see myself playing sin on it

[oak sky]

my competition is prob other people planning on applying up guilds

[hollow river]

We’re trying to halve our rank from last tier

So better to get used to sub now since it does more dam anyway

[oak sky]

yeah im gonna play some sub not sure how much tho

then in farm sin otp

[hollow river]

Yeah I doubt it. 2 steps is insane for that fight

[oak sky]

😄

[hollow river]

Yeah farm is w/e

But tbh I’ve been having fun with sub on most of these fights

[oak sky]

im planning on playing sin on sausage and probably vg too

[grim tangle]

I'm already having to abandon my sin OTP ways because skolex

[oak sky]

sub on st bosses and the giga funnel ones too ig

[grim tangle]

need more damage

[oak sky]

i can probably just do sin on rygelon

[hollow river]

Tbh necro sin seems dope for rygelon

Not sure

[oak sky]

im gonna playit

should be close enough

[hollow river]

I’m still working on necro renown

I’ve got venth and Kyrian done

[oak sky]

ive had all renowns leveled since a few weeks before the patch

[rotund oak]

❤️

[hollow river]

Wondering what I should spend valor on tbh

[oak sky]

nothing yet

[hollow river]

I think I wait and hold it until I get trinkets?

[oak sky]

weapon or phial or sgt i think tho

[hollow river]

I have 3 new daggers already

Not going to use any of them for a while

I’d only use them for sin

[bleak sky]

just get 278 SGT from the vault

[hollow river]

Majority of my prog will be as sub

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

Nah, it will get hard nerfed. 0 chance a 300+ pull for wf guilds that's the 7th boss will be untouched after the racee

[hollow river]

feels weird needing Ooze trinket

272 sims as +200 deeps for my sub

272 phial as +210

[balmy condor]

Yeah of course but it can still be a crazy boss

[hollow river]

i don't think it'll get nerfed tbh

we will have double leggo

we will push it faster

[subtle tundra]

The mechanics are insanely hard

[hollow river]

maybe they make the bomb timers a little longer

i could see that

[bleak sky]

you're coocoo in the head my man

any mechanic is a raid wipe

[hollow river]

??

[subtle tundra]

How much does jpc sim?

He does like 11-12k dps right?

[hollow river]

there's a lot of bosses like that

[bleak sky]

ye

[balmy condor]

A lot

[hollow river]

think he likely sims for 12.5k+

[balmy condor]

He sims for a lot

[subtle tundra]

When we will get to that boss we will sim like 15k

[hollow river]

yep

[subtle tundra]

We being an average human

[balmy condor]

But yes

12,450

Is his sim

Would be around 13.5 with tier

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/72eLFVwBWTQLuyDhWadWmT

[balmy condor]

He got upgrades

[hollow river]

[iron orchid]

dem trinkets tho

[bleak sky]

let's see what a real chad (me) sims for

[grim tangle]

I hope they only nerf it after I kill it

[subtle tundra]

I'm scared of sinning I don't want to do it

[hollow river]

LOL 278 phial

thats insane

[subtle tundra]

Simming*

Sinning too

[iron orchid]

he even got his kyrian leggo belt to291

[balmy condor]

Oh

[iron orchid]

that's funny

[subtle tundra]

When you have infinite gold, yea

[balmy condor]

The last profile he sent me is 262

[bleak sky]

he sims a lot more than me

[iron orchid]

he's been hiding things from you

[balmy condor]

Nah he just hasn’t needed anything from me because he’s been fighting a big robo crab for almost 4 days

[bleak sky]

IT DIES TOMORROW FOR SURE ON GOD

[hollow river]

it's actually insane that rwf is walled on a mid-tier boss like that

[iron orchid]

I need to watch some tries

maybe they'll get it if I start watching

[subtle tundra]

Echo kills it before Americans wake up for sure

[hollow river]

someone is smoking copium heavily

needs rehab

asap

[subtle tundra]

We need an interesting race

[vestal wren]

you mean pieces

[hollow river]

this is an interesting race

[balmy condor]

He one tricks sin in m+, man isn’t smoking copium he’s supplying it to the entire continent

[hollow river]

the top 5 guilds are all on Halondrus

aren't they?

[iron orchid]

As an european, I hope Echo kills it first, but I also want to see Jpc winning

[ashen scroll]

I think its like 6+ now

[iron orchid]

I aam torn

[ashen scroll]

But yeah

[subtle tundra]

Hello? I did some big sub keys too

[hollow river]

Limit, Echo, BDGG, what about the rest

[ashen scroll]

Giga walled

[hollow river]

LMFAO

[hollow escarp]

I want to see Halondrus winning

[vestal wren]

10 guilds are on halondrus mythic

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

dude

one of these rando guilds could win it all

by just being insane

[iron orchid]

That's kinda stupid

[subtle tundra]

Im trying to convince every person I play sin isn't bad in m+

[balmy condor]

Sure

But it is worse

[hollow escarp]

idk, some guilds are 300 pulls in, some are 50

[soft merlin]

Why play sin when you can play sub in m+ 😄

[subtle tundra]

[ashen scroll]

I enjoy sin in raid but man does it feel ass to play in m+

[balmy condor]

Even seli gave up on sin in m+ bro

[hollow river]

yeah ik, but they could just have insane players

[balmy condor]

When seli doesn’t have faith in sin

It’s over

[vestal wren]

is seli back to outlaw ?

[hollow river]

never know

[ashen scroll]

I'll play outlaw in m+ but not sin

[subtle tundra]

I'm the new messiah

[balmy condor]

He plays sub in m+

[soft merlin]

sub is just to good to not play in m+

[hollow escarp]

reminds me of season 1 shadowlands when I opened Seli's stream to watch him play outlaw

[ashen scroll]

Sub in m+ is boring af. Gotta switch it up a bit

[iron orchid]

start of seson 1 shadowlands I felt alone playing sin in M+

[vestal wren]

i know, i am still unsure if he disslikes sub or outlaw more

[hollow escarp]

that also makes it easier to focus on controlling mobs

[ashen scroll]

Hard agree here. Trying to focus on cc while playing outlaw is rough

[subtle tundra]

It's the complete opposite for me since I've been playing sin in m+ since bfa s1, it's so much easier

[balmy condor]

He for sure hates outlaw more

[hollow river]

When the going gets tough, Shadow Dance -> Cheap Shot everything in sight

[hollow escarp]

I still play both

but assa this season is annoying, tab targetting garrotes in relics