assassination

[glass tulip]

hidden blades + fok conduit

[limber lion]

I mean if you really want to sandbag your parse

then go for it

[glass tulip]

10 melee comp feelsstrongman

[limber lion]

is that a double enha

big pog

[glass tulip]

yes sirrrrrr

[oak sky]

World first copyboys

[bleak sky]

guardian druid

[grim tangle]

is guardian druid bad

[restive falcon]

should i go CT on andiun? i am sub rn and bottom of meters its rough to learn sub st first time in raid :/

[slow marsh]

yes

[restive falcon]

both specs im bottom so idk what to do lmao its discouraging

last two raidnights i felt like shit

[balmy condor]

I mean you will be bottom on anduin

[restive falcon]

the other rogue is 12th as sub

so idk lmao i just having off night

[balmy condor]

rogue does no aoe, you just get blasted during intermissions

it be like that

[restive falcon]

im still learning the sub opener and im still doing it wrong

[wheat night]

is it still haste/crit for lego's? about to craft zoldyck on boots, pls help

[balmy condor]

yes

[wheat night]

ty

[balmy condor]

also the FAQ exists

[sonic spire]

does anyone have a subterfuge WA that works? last time i played it I had one but its no longer working (i think because theres not a buff anymore maybe? i don't see the buff on my buff bar anymore either)

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

the sin one has one

just yoink the garrote one out

[sonic spire]

o.o

[balmy condor]

[sonic spire]

ima see if i can jsut go find it

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/aL6XDBEGg

try that

[sonic spire]

oh perf ❤️

[fading wigeon]

2PC with LFR Pants!!!!

wooohooo

[sonic spire]

oh wait, no, my garrote one already tells me when the higher power bleed is active, im just looking for one that has the countdown for the 3 seconds or w/e out of stealth (yes i know i should probably just be able to feel it out and know but i like visual aids lmao)

[balmy condor]

oh

give me one second @sonic spire I can make one in 15 min when I need to reroll my tea anyway

[slow marsh]

h anduin is dumb

[sonic spire]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ thank youuuuuu, i was trying to make one myself but without the buff for spellid idk how to do it :c

[humble ginkgo]

whats go to leggo and cov for heroic among us

?

is venthyr obe fine

[slow marsh]

sure

necro zold / db better

why aren't you playing outlaw tho

[humble ginkgo]

nvm change of mind

im playing midlaw

[slow marsh]

yeah

I mean it is a sin fight but comfort is better imo

[grizzled orbit]

So as soon as 2 piece is aquired. I switch to subter ? I dont see the pin anymore.

[humble ginkgo]

Yea we were told comfort is better since theres 0 dps check

[slow marsh]

no not necessarily

[humble ginkgo]

and its just

dont get hit by shit

[slow marsh]

ye

[humble ginkgo]

mfs still getting hit by snail speed green circle

[slow marsh]

mfs in mine still can't dispel downstairs anduin adds

we are all in pain

[humble ginkgo]

anduin was actually really easy

we did it in like 30 pulls

or 35

with multiple players missing tonight

[grim tangle]

yeah it's a joke after the nerf

[hollow river]

we're bashing our heads against it

[humble ginkgo]

We had 5 players dead

going to p3

[hollow river]

starting to get the soul down tho

[humble ginkgo]

and we didnt even reach the wipe

[hollow river]

now its all about tank positioning

while we CC and kill adds

stars through the adds

[balmy condor]

@sonic spire !WA:2!DnvZUnUnq4nW7IIQdbynAdkk6PfOU)CiOjl2TO3AKx5nTWBSlL3I0tXuIJejcfPkjLJDo6t9SFe05EYh6dGFcemk6dqFe8tqhkBVhQoio)pFZhhEYGUfDzDz)XlQfPAvSUYKcFXt2sRCCTzuPtOv2aZIrzzwWDYAQkfTpwluUK(r3mjISnvRLm9dQ4heLW0nhvJy5a3qtBRWRjwh14csYekHLheIhUGLoJiphm2t7zoi(xHUfLaHwzOxUX)3wcsPGz)8KlU4vx8dxsGza27RbQ0XdRWYKukPlaZUklenh7xSpJFInDPDVGn4FTvjTPn2azI5K4Xrdhsu0cahnmTBqj(hckUkddA9D9VkEYDXtUImPMbjOXjiYmxhnC8G3pCvL6aIdkFUFiNbt2R)ond(ZNSdjiWOOYFfhpKbGD3dq5viKsDekYj8vuLOWlPEDZhpydqTqSZaQCh)JAonuH5SLHeGpI78KIXc4neZU0hQhln9clOc1GMVetOPxZx181nFdEg8)TG43sD(Ab8ACmjqU)s5BpR50TOAcn9(CJUsX(NT5s9ddmWVxbQ0fJF63D(LVQ5udgK3XA)VBpSkS0R4HX2KkNtRgndm4frT38W2X4tBJ)3oe)kVsFTuB(5o43gK3F7rl8qVtEB3NWfP3RaRTtBgXPujSxCOan)82geQnmWWt4GiN7OHsnLLTcl5DPsQ1onXHzPCNrkQKorWsVhp3pL06VxIvOYLaHm6TVpQ5hdc9o710VtRS4r4muO20Yt(zm0)4O56PRSGmRD7V5zRfQmTz)vyq4JADXjLFYXT)jWC3BewAIey8ANoD2(9Gp7KP3(cbRoUkb3pYQYbs6h4ecvwYPD2T)r2adUw6BEsCFsu0nxwjyRFC07Edqlk(fwyccPmrEGrO8fhMAMFGQjpiyooT2VUi2)cE5rGnDDMVU4Qg1r701M8YZ)(ZV4LDN933(F)

[glass tulip]

man this fight sucks some biiiiig donkey balls

[slow marsh]

which

[glass tulip]

dreadlords

[slow marsh]

y

[sonic spire]

youre a king and a god and i love you

[slow marsh]

and a catboikinggod @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

I miss this whispyr arc

bis whispyr profile pic

[timid cloud]

It’s fine, Dreadlords will get easier.

Want to know why?

Because Sin is ||a SCALING class||

[slow marsh]

⚖️

[timid cloud]

I will now say goodbye, Whispyr will be blocking me again & I shall be banned.

Dreadlords was fun though, no joke, little hectic with a lot of melee…can’t wait to do it on Heroic.

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

[sonic spire]

dreadlords is fun until your warriors kyrian spear going into the among us phase with green puddles shooting at the bosses

[oak sky]

Its a solid fight among us is fun

Killing the raid 😈

[timid cloud]

[glass tulip]

the among us mechanic + podtender

• insane raid damage

[oak sky]

Pod

[clever kindle]

amogus

[timid cloud]

Wanna know what’s Sus?

Tell me what is wrong with this picture…

[bleak sky]

necro obedience

a classic

[timid cloud]

I hate swapping sometimes…

Maybe if I just wear Zold full time…

[zinc frost]

I do this in keys all the time it’s great… swap to necro for ToP or PF and keep obedience

[stray mural]

yay

[echo geyser]

did u unlock 2 legos already?

[stray mural]

nope im just future proofing for when i inevitably loot it

[echo geyser]

[stray mural]

mid raid i wanna see the power spike

[balmy condor]

duskwalker single lego for the 4pc lucker noobs

[timid cloud]

[torn atlas]

I mogged my back piece to be different on both sets. Still mess it up half the time.

[slow marsh]

Not using cache + fcm

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

Using FCM on Prototype.

I'd rather pass away.

[slow marsh]

True

[lethal saffron]

worth going necro w/ just 2pc or nah

[glass tulip]

that was rough, I think the biggest issue was having 27 people

and ranged standing near melee

and also my damage was close to 0

but dreadlords down

[oak sky]

Been there, done that

Topped the charts

[sonic spire]

does anyone ( @balmy condor :3 ❤️ ) have an easy way to see in logs who is getting hit by green swirlies on lords? vs people who are just taking the debuff off others

[balmy condor]

slopped the top

[oak sky]

Yeah its good in cleave

[thin trout]

doucle check - crit/haste as secondary for our legendaries right?

[oak sky]

Even without 2p necro is nice for cleave

[manic rampart]

do bleeds benefit from haste?

[oak sky]

Yeah it makes them tick faster

[balmy condor]

no clue

[oak sky]

If one melee got it first they probably got it from a swirly

Then there should be a shit ton of melee getting it right after

[balmy condor]

best I can do off the top of my head is check for cloud casts (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L6FqmARHc4wX9vgz#fight=10&type=casts&view=events&hostility=1&source=414&ability=360006) and then cross-reference the timings to applications (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L6FqmARHc4wX9vgz#fight=10&type=auras&source=94&spells=debuffs&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24157523353.0.0.Rogue%24false%24360012&ability=360012&view=events)

but that's a lot of work

[oak sky]

Which cast is cloud

Is that the fear

Because if it is that sounds like the move

[balmy condor]

cloud is the green circle

but when they get dispelled

there's the green slow moving puddles on the ground

that applies it again if you step on it

[oak sky]

Yeah ik how the boss works

Just not the names

I think the easiest way would be looking for applications after the fear goes off

Because that should be clearing everyone, therefore anyone getting hit is probably from the swirly

But tbh unless its a consistent problem i dont see why its important to shame one person for fucking up a mech raidings a team effort anyways

[balmy condor]

yeah I wasn't sure if you knew, looks like you quit or something I can't see you on the WCL heal charts so it's like you don't play anymore

[oak sky]

Being good aint never felt so bad 😈

Betraying my roots n shit

Don't tell vel what I've become

[sonic spire]

yeah thats what i was doing but 1) its annoying, and 2) sometimes MG casts the debuff right after the fear goes out before the green swirlies reach the raid

i think ima just go watch vod and check my raid frames kekw

simplier than tryna figure out WCL

[oak sky]

Visuals are definitely easy to track buts its rough with a lot of pulls

Good luck

[sonic spire]

tyty ❤️

[stray mural]

in the pin it mentions zoldyck on feet to dodge conflict with tier. does that hold true for M+ or is duskwalker and 4 set the play

[oak sky]

With 4 set its duskies yeah

[stray mural]

i see

so its zoldyck until then

[balmy condor]

Yep

[ashen scroll]

At 2 target, how does shiv window work? do you just shiv on cd, reapply bleeds if they're in pandemic regardless of shiv, and envenom when u can?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[ashen scroll]

pog, did normal lords of dread for tier and just hit buttons but i wasn't sure if it was right

[brazen zodiac]

lords of dread so fun

tbh

[balmy condor]

I think I’m just a dipshit or something

Hated painsmith, enjoy the patch, dislike lords

[tight ginkgo]

lords of dread tilts me like very few things

[oak sky]

i like the patch too

:3

[balmy condor]

On normal at least it just feels like there are no mechanics but you still have no space as melee

Like ever

[oak sky]

just play less melee

[balmy condor]

You’re just suffering trying to dodge green swirls, and sidestep sleep puddle, and not stand in like a 210 degree arc in front of the boss

Hate it

Melee better at pixel stacking on lords of dread because there’s no space than they are at pixel stacking for skolex puddles

[glass tulip]

the sleep puddle spawning oh my god

literally no one in our raid could see it til we already had 6 people asleep

and then we spent 41 pulls dicking around on rygelon bc people dont know how to swap to stand in a small circle on the floor

[burnt latch]

It gets worse

I imagine u had the issue where tanks refuse to move the bosses from the edge of the sleepy circles?

[balmy condor]

Yep

They’re not in it so it’s not a problem!

[balmy condor]

FOURTY ONE

Heroic hopefully please yes?

[burnt latch]

Lmao yeah we had that too, they started moving it more later on tho when they realised u can move quite generously and still have room at the end of the fite

[glass tulip]

Yes heroic lol

[burnt latch]

On heroic dreads is even worse cuz the sleepy circle is slightly larger and u get more green stuff

[glass tulip]

A lot of them were 10 seconds long

[burnt latch]

So tanks needs to move more

[grim hornet]

Hey guys, yesterday i played sin on hc pantheon and i got kinda lost in a combat with 2 targets into 4. It felt like i was refreshing dots all the time and had so little gcds for envenoms (also running CT, dunno if thats the play)

[brazen zodiac]

ct def the play

[glass tulip]

Yeah it's okay to be gcd locked and basically only be redotting

That's where most of your damage is coming from anyway

[grim hornet]

ok, that makes me feel somehow better

today ill probably go to hc dreadlords and i didn't want to feel like im messing it up

is venthyr still ok for 2T? or just go necro?

[grim hornet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[timid cloud]

[grim hornet]

with no tier set, for dreadlords specifically, we go zoldyck?

[glass tulip]

necro zoldyck seems like it would be a good move

I played venthyr obedience and it felt sad

[grim hornet]

that's what happened to me on pantheon

ill have to craft zoldyck but never tryed it in the whole xpac

[icy osprey]

as a sin rogue, is there any way i can get 2.5+ mythic score for the mount?

[grim hornet]

im pretty sure u can

[icy osprey]

im most comfortable as sin but sub seems to be dominating atm, so not sure what to do.

[grim hornet]

i recomend you to give it a try. I am most comfortable with outlaw and i miss it, but learning a new spec is being fun

[glass tulip]

you can easily go up to 3k and higher as sin, just takes practice

[icy osprey]

Ah, true, guess ill give sub a try. ty for your input, Thraken. ❤️

[glass tulip]

once you get to the +25 range it starts to be a little tougher to manage instead of sub

[icy osprey]

ohhh? im not familiar with this M+ scoring, i just have to do all +15 to get the mount right?

[glass tulip]

yep, just 15s

[icy osprey]

ah so its possible as a sin

[glass tulip]

1000%

[icy osprey]

ty for the info.

[grim hornet]

totally

[simple python]

Is anyone able to help me with some advice as to what I am doing wrong?, can link couple logs and armory, but basically my damage is shocking

[rancid nimbus]

1000% easy possible as sin yes

[fervent osprey]

Which soulbind we use in the raid as venthyr/Obedience? Theotar triple potency or Nadja?

[grim hornet]

i think nadja for pure st and theotar for cleave fights, but you'd better sim it

[limber lion]

Theotar triple potency everytime with haste tea

Otherwise Nadja is fine

[alpine radish]

Pray for haste

[midnight trellis]

So just picked up sin; and was told as venthyr you want to mutilate instead of ambush, because vent wants cp (understandable)

[limber lion]

Correct

[midnight trellis]

But today I noticed that both ambush AND muti award 2cp

What am I missing?

[limber lion]

Mutilate hits with both hands, meaning you can proc Seal Fate twice

[midnight trellis]

Aah ok

[limber lion]

You can get 2-4 combo points from Mutilate as opposed to 2-3 from Ambush

[midnight trellis]

I understand! Thank you

[shrewd iron]

do we hold our second vendetta 20 seconds if we're playing subterfuge?

[limber lion]

No

[shrewd iron]

oh so just press and forget pretty much?

[limber lion]

Ye

[civic granite]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[jade minnow]

Hc or normal

[spice spire]

Heroic

Is what he said earlier

[proven bough]

Im going crazy.. Im playing Sub, switching to Assa for some bosses.. gotta switch Covenant, depending on set bonus. Gotta swap Covenant & Spec for M+ .. this is too much D:

Just wanna stay one covenant at least.. but as it seems, there is a huge DPS difference, espatially with 4p set

[spice spire]

Venthyr overlaps with both

[proven bough]

How do you guys handle this?
Fae Sub on Singletarget fights
Venth Assa on cleave
Venth Sub for M+

Not talking about single & double legendary combinations/conduits...

[icy osprey]

Hello, i couldnt understand this stuff from sin FAQ. Once 2nd leggo is out in about 2 weeks, which normal leggo shud i go for first?

Im gonna mostly do M+ and 2s

[spice spire]

Depends on where you’re at for tier piece.
If you have your 4 piece you’re going duskwalkers in any content, period.
If you don’t.
It would be Db or dashing for ST, Zoldyck’s for m+, sim yourself for best st

Oh

For pvp that’s a #pvp question, but for m+ - 4pc = dusk, otherwise Zoldyck’s probably

[icy osprey]

oh ok, i dont understand tier pieces yet, guess i got alot to catch up on. Thank you for the info ❤️

[spice spire]

No problem. I’d check a guide out, they cover it pretty well! Especially the wowhead guide. Here’s a link to understanding them @icy osprey https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-tier-set-bonuses

[icy osprey]

ah, thanks.

[grim hornet]

i just check !fuu as an starting point then apply to my profile. I play kyrian sub for pure st, necro sin for cleave, venth sub for funnel and m+

i also have an excel with my sims and droptimizers so i don't get full loco

[jade minnow]

It fucking sucks but what can you do? *Its fae assa and necro assa on cleave

[spice spire]

Buddy, you’re spreadsheeting you’re already full loco 😛

(I have several myself)

For guild, gear, and etc

[proven bough]

reroll and wait for next addon i guess ._.

[grim hornet]

u RL quake?

[spice spire]

Nah officer

[grim hornet]

HAHAHAH

the importance of a comma

[spice spire]

Yeah LMAO

I realized after that

The guild tier spreadsheet is a thing though

[proven bough]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[spice spire]

But I’m not hard tracking their gear down

[grim hornet]

its first tier i spreadsheet tbh, with no cov swaping gearing was easier

[spice spire]

Except for wow audit

Yeah for sure

[grim hornet]

but i usually save all the gear anyway "just in case" so w/e

[spice spire]

Same. Rn I’m saving garbage pieces so I can trade key pieces

Week one I was attempting to funnel a pox, forgetting my max weapon was 252

I now have a 255 pox

[grim hornet]

lol

u ever gonna upgrade that? or try and fish for a... 262 is +15?

[spice spire]

I have a 278 dagger so I can trade whatever now - im a sin OTP so probably will in 9.2.5 when I have nothing else to do

With the valor

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I was trying to ethically funnel

Im sorry

[clever kindle]

Well I got a normal tier piece

and at least in a few weeks when my tier shoulders inevitably dont drop I can just turn the 265 ones I got from raid into them

[thorn fjord]

i did a thing last night on heroic

[delicate smelt]

which Fae Soulbind with 4p and two lego? Single targer raid

[violet hemlock]

look at #assassination-faq

[spice spire]

This is in the FAQ, you can even go to the pretty pictures made by @vestal wren for a full guide on what when

[delicate smelt]

sorry, i see it now 🙂 ty

[spice spire]

Whíspyr provides excellent info and fuu made a very nice graphic for it

No problem best of luck sir

[delicate smelt]

christ, i just dont like Fae at all.

[spice spire]

Our covenants are fairly balanced, if you’re not pushing for HoF, any of them are fine tbh.
But the best with 4p is fae

Would have been Necro if deathspike didn’t suck for st

[delicate smelt]

necro on paper looked fun and interesting but in reality i never liked it. Venthyr feels best for assa for me.

[spice spire]

Then just play venthyr

[delicate smelt]

yea, i will 🙂

[zealous marsh]

4pc on lords of dread feels nice

[spice spire]

Jealous

I bet though

[zealous marsh]

i forgot to make duskwalkers tho

it will be more fun

i suppose

[spice spire]

1 minute vendettas?

Yeah buddy

[vestal wren]

short cooldown cycles, just like on #subtlety 🙂

[spice spire]

Fuu spreading subtlety propaganda

[zealous marsh]

yeah imagine making set just for like 2 bosses

[spice spire]

Nah subtlety going to be really good this tier

[zealous marsh]

i tried playing on pantheon

[spice spire]

I’m yoking around.
Their 4p adds cleave

[zealous marsh]

and then i switched

[spice spire]

You did sub on pantheon

[zealous marsh]

yea i tried for few pulls

[bleak sky]

Yes

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

ofc, need to cope with weak 2nd legendary and not op tier set

[zealous marsh]

then i've changed into assa and doing 3-4k more dps doing absolutely nothing more then spreading bleeds

[bleak sky]

And even then sub sims higher

[vestal wren]

due to sylvanas dagger tho

[spice spire]

Assassination rogue truly the hero class of borrowed power*

*outside of deeper daggers

[zealous marsh]

make it even deeper

[vestal wren]

it is interessting that assassinations 27-30% tier set survived when subtlety was nerfed with less than that

but assassinations baseline is also meh, so i guess thats fair

[spice spire]

Yeah I was about to say, it’s either keep a bloated tier or buff baseline.
Beyond 51%

[vestal wren]

i am unsure but i thought the intent was to have tier sets around similar increases

but i could remember it incorrectly

outlaw kind of suffers from tier set tuning long term it seems, while their baseline seems good

i even expect it to show up quite good in logs given 4p will not be as fast unlocked, while 2nd legendary is fairly soon

[spice spire]

It was supposed to be similar afaik.
Part of what makes ours good is synergy with other legendaries.

[vestal wren]

ye, it feels like synergy was partly ignored when evaluating

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

i remember the tier set spreadsheet having multiple entries that did point at a lower baseline due to legendary synergy

oh, it was only ele and dk

so ele, dk and assassiantion are the 3 with rly impacftul synergies?

[gusty mirage]

Baseline that’s 1k dps higher than the other rogue specs

[vestal wren]

haha

sub/outlaw have similar baseline without tier

[gusty mirage]

Sir I said rogue specs

Not warrior outlaw doesn’t count

[vestal wren]

!fuu moment

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

sin is like 800 dps behind baseline

[bleak sky]

I'm pretty sure outlaw was at like 10.3k

[vestal wren]

it seems

[bleak sky]

And sub was at 10.9

[vestal wren]

i just refer to mythic profiles when you dissable tier

[gusty mirage]

I’m starting to like sub seeing as anduin made me switch

[vestal wren]

so double legendary

[bleak sky]

Oh I see

[vestal wren]

sub/outlaw are on ~14k, sin is on 13.2k

sub tier set is ~17%, while outlaw is ~10%

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay in roughly 6 weeks you’ll be able to use my rogue’s profile for double leggo no tier

[vestal wren]

thats why outlaw is behind

[zealous marsh]

jesus i've just realized how many leggos i need to craft

[vestal wren]

i got no tier this week normal clear

:/

[spice spire]

Mood

[gusty mirage]

It’s actually pain

[vestal wren]

also my chest had belt as best (only relevant) option

[gusty mirage]

Like legitimate emotional pain

[vestal wren]

so my chest has unity slot, and no tier

[spice spire]

Your vault actually pissed me off oxi

[vestal wren]

👍 perfect

[gusty mirage]

I looted 2 trinkets in 7 heroic kills

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Dude has a 9 skitter

And what ended up being the best?

[zealous marsh]

twice unity: wrist (assa), gloves (sub), dusk, finality, akaari

[gusty mirage]

Normal tier gloves

The worst possible slot

[spice spire]

[zealous marsh]

why they banned boosting

[gusty mirage]

Honestly just use unity wrists for both

There’s no shot the dps diff is worth the extra 200k gold

[zealous marsh]

50k for gloves

on my realm

[hollow river]

^

[gusty mirage]

Craft it crit/vers fuck it

Lmao

[hollow river]

Ew

[thorn fjord]

my Obedience still has crit/verse

[gusty mirage]

Ew me one more time

[thorn fjord]

Not gonna bother till i craft u nity

unity*

[zealous marsh]

it will hurt my eyes

no haste

[gusty mirage]

My unity will likely also be crit vers

[zealous marsh]

on assa

[gusty mirage]

Because idc enough to craft it multiple times

[zealous marsh]

[vestal wren]

i got bells + elegy last week on normal

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

got one heroic loot piece so far

chest from first boss

👍

[gusty mirage]

I got the crit/vers cloak, elegy, and xymox trinket

From my 14 heroic kills

[thorn fjord]

got heroic bells last night

[gusty mirage]

And nothing from normal

[zealous marsh]

i have phial and totem

[thorn fjord]

was like a +60 increase over 252 phial

[vestal wren]

xmoxy trinket is pog

[spice spire]

262 IDO

[gusty mirage]

Dw I vendored the elegy

That trinket is garbage

And whoever designed it should feel bad

[zealous marsh]

i traded trinket from halondrus coz i thought it sucks

[vestal wren]

elergy is quite good on sub for m+

[zealous marsh]

and it was like -300 dps for me that day

[gusty mirage]

Meh, I’d rather run phial/xymox trinket

[zealous marsh]

raidbots trolled me

[gusty mirage]

Nah blizzard trolled you

By releasing a shit trinket and then buffing it

[vestal wren]

^

[zealous marsh]

when did they buffed it

[vestal wren]

also the implementation in simc got updated

[gusty mirage]

First few days iirc

[vestal wren]

chains iirc is still wip in implementation

so potentially rly good

[zealous marsh]

[gusty mirage]

Xymox trinket was also trash until they fixed it iirc

[zealous marsh]

xymox trink good on assa pantheon?

[vestal wren]

xymox trinket needed some apl changes too, that are in now

[zealous marsh]

potentially

[gusty mirage]

Now it just does a casual 20% of my dps on anduin prog

[vestal wren]

i mean anduin is a bit of a meme

because of the vulnerability

[timid cloud]

[zealous marsh]

well other rogue has xymox trinket

[gusty mirage]

It does 10% of my dps in keys

As much damage as banshees

[vestal wren]

ye, its rly good

[zealous marsh]

axe deals dmg whenever he press black powder on Axe

and then casual 20%

[gusty mirage]

Lmao it’s actually obscenely good

Esp in m+

[hollow river]

16-18k on Anduin right above the freaking tanks remove fight from the game and WCL

[timid cloud]

Are any of the fights actually not in all stars?

I didn’t even check that.

[gusty mirage]

@vestal wren unrelated to sin but does PE’s crit apply to everything including trinkets?

[bleak sky]

I'd expect VG and anduin to not be in there

[timid cloud]

It’s flat crit.

[vestal wren]

good question, i would need to double check but it probably does

[timid cloud]

Or is it considered crit to only Rogue abilities?

I’m pretty sure it’s just flat crit.

[thorn fjord]

I really hope to get chains

looks like its gonna be nutty

[vestal wren]

i guess you want pe + cache

[gusty mirage]

Cause if it’s whitelisted it’s def applying to xymox trinket

[vestal wren]

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

I’ve been running PE

With cache because ‘M’uh brand crit is gone…

[vestal wren]

but cache has some more optimization on sub

fun times

[timid cloud]

Also SS kinda sucks with Urh.

[thorn fjord]

So Cache is the real deal then?

[timid cloud]

Well sorta, it very rarely gives me my cd back in the time I get the CDR reduction.

[vestal wren]

its good, unsure if its "the real deal"

[gusty mirage]

Cache is definitely the real deal

But within context

In ST it’s solid, in aoe it’s huge

[timid cloud]

I don’t think they’ll tune it anymore.

[thorn fjord]

Hopefully i get one next week

[timid cloud]

No real need.

[gusty mirage]

It’s nice to have a trinket that’s actually useful in aoe for once

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

Phial though.

[vestal wren]

but i need to check some apl changes with cache tho

[timid cloud]

[vestal wren]

that trinket has on sub (yes, its always sub) some potential for optimizations

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m curious if there’s further optimizations in there

Esp for certain bosses

[timid cloud]

I did not like it on Sin actually.

Then again my Sin might be rusty in M+

[vestal wren]

i mean i have this optimization for 2/3 targets

[timid cloud]

Further testing required.

[gusty mirage]

That’s because fan of knives never crits when you need it to

[timid cloud]

True.

[pure moth]

True

[gusty mirage]

Any 1cp fok enjoyers in chat?

[vestal wren]

also wand is not in default cindition yet that i found better (only on sub tho XD)

[timid cloud]

I even ran PK.

[spice spire]

I’m below 40% Crit

And holy fuck

I see more 1 than 3s

On 8 packs

[timid cloud]

CWINGE

[indigo mulch]

I was doing hc anduin last night. And i didnt get full cps on some foks

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I can’t do sin anymore

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Truly cursed ability

[gusty mirage]

I gave up

[spice spire]

Ngl it feels fucking awful rn

[timid cloud]

Until they change Fan.

[spice spire]

Pulling barely 10k is extremely cringe

[timid cloud]

It’s not unplayable, but the sheer amount of cringe is pain.

[gusty mirage]

It’s not even about the spec at this point, it just isn’t fun pushing fan of knives 4 times for 5cp

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[spice spire]

Fok hater

Respect

[timid cloud]

One key was enough to remind me.

[gusty mirage]

When your shitty rng makes you get the urge to press mutilate in 4+ target…. it’s time to just switch sub lol

[timid cloud]

I’d rather play Outlaw at that point

[spice spire]

I refuse to swap

[timid cloud]

At least it’s fucking reliable.

[spice spire]

Gotta stick to my shtick

[gusty mirage]

You keep fighting the good fight

I’ll be over here generating combo points

[timid cloud]

I’ll OTP in raid, don’t get me wrong.

[spice spire]

Every day is a struggle

“At this point, I should just be a warrior main”

[timid cloud]

But in M+ you can take me out back before I have to do a key as Sin.

[bleak sky]

One season of sin in m+ was enough for me

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

All of you are cowards

[gusty mirage]

No it’s just unplayable

[timid cloud]

I just can’t do it brother.

[spice spire]

Or not stupid, like I

[timid cloud]

I LOVED Sin in BFA.

[spice spire]

#3 on server with only 2044 io

[timid cloud]

But this just makes it bad.

Like it physically pains me.

[gusty mirage]

11 globals to get bleeds rolling to get energy rolling to fit in shitty envenoms to refresh Snd and refreshing CT is garbage

[bleak sky]

You can def get good io, but I'd rather not work 15x as hard for 70% of the damage

[spice spire]

That’s where we differ

[gusty mirage]

It’s not even a damage difference

[timid cloud]

Either that or give us a good AOE leggo.

[thorn fjord]

I feel you guys... I refuse to play sin in M+

[spice spire]

I’d prefer to work 30x harder for 40% of the damage

[timid cloud]

It’s the sheer feel of the spec.

[spice spire]

Always on that grindset

[bleak sky]

Varas will still be the Sin man

[timid cloud]

Makes me want to go next IRL.

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

The dif in overall between my sin and my sub for same comp same dungeons same route is like 200dps

[echo geyser]

So u sin enjoyers dont even believe in sin with full gear?

M+

[bleak sky]

Nah

[timid cloud]

Maybe with full gear.

[gusty mirage]

PF/TOP will be the sin dungeons

[echo geyser]

[vestal wren]

i to trust in the necrolord overloads

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Anywhere you have to push fan of knives? No ty

[timid cloud]

But even. Then, I’d rather pass away.

[spice spire]

Oh sin dungeons

You said sub and I was like “uh homie”

[thorn fjord]

Sin for Raid Sub for M+ Makes it feel like we're playing a different game

[timid cloud]

I still play Outlaw for PF/TOP…

[spice spire]

Also fine

[gusty mirage]

My autocorrect wants me to switch full time

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

Maybe I'll rip sin for plaguefall

[thorn fjord]

[bleak sky]

But for theater I might as well just learn outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I legit retyped out sin 10 times for it to stop autocorrecting to sub @spice spire

[timid cloud]

It’s okayish.

[spice spire]

LMFAO

[thorn fjord]

I'm not spending the time trying to get non dagger 1h's

[spice spire]

End of an era, king

[spice spire]

Just accidentally get it first try

[timid cloud]

Just simply have a 252 veinripper

[spice spire]

255 pox ready

[gusty mirage]

I’ve gotten more comfy on sub for anduin, actually enjoying it @spice spire

[spice spire]

Good

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

At least there will be non-OTPs representing us

[bleak sky]

I already have daggies good enough until 278s or higher

[gusty mirage]

Manually refreshing snd is still cringe though

[timid cloud]

True.

[thorn fjord]

the absolute worst

fucking hate that button

[bleak sky]

Give sub CTTC

[vestal wren]

deathly prepull 📈 join the unethical pre pull meta

[thorn fjord]

Why we gotta do extra work though

[gusty mirage]

End up with deathly equipped because boomkins exist

[vestal wren]

lol

[thorn fjord]

My guild is dumb and literally always pulls early

[timid cloud]

Prepull cheese for .006 damage.

[rotund oak]

we dont rly get the dmg buff though

[timid cloud]

[rotund oak]

only the cps and cd

[gusty mirage]

It’s not even cheese at this point

[rotund oak]

snd

[gusty mirage]

It’s quality of life

[vestal wren]

^

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

[vestal wren]

its quite good on venthyr tho

[thorn fjord]

Pressing SnD makes me want to end my life

[gusty mirage]

They should fix premed and make it baseline

Tbh

[timid cloud]

New talent pls

Premed is dog

[misty holly]

Is sin just one of the worst specs for the Urh buff? I'm finding it discouraging seeing demon hunters and hunters go bonkers for 10 seconds while I just gain... some reduced shiv cooldown lol

[rotund oak]

yeah,was about to ask about venth ❤️ ty

[vestal wren]

only for sub tho

sin/outlaw rly don't like to waste vanish

[gusty mirage]

The cdr is kind of whatever for all 3 rogue specs

[bleak sky]

Double flag

[vestal wren]

cdr was fixed iirc

[spice spire]

Buddy

[gusty mirage]

Like it’s neat to get shiv or symbols back faster

[spice spire]

Urh with deathspike kind of a juicer now

[gusty mirage]

Delete your rogue and uninstall the game

[indigo mulch]

[thorn fjord]

lol

[timid cloud]

Oh I’ll bone you hotrod.

[spice spire]

CF friendly fire

[gusty mirage]

Don’t you dare use those words here ever again

Deathspike

[spice spire]

When we get double legendary

[timid cloud]

Don’t let Seli hear that.

[vestal wren]

seli is the first to be on the deathspike train

[gusty mirage]

Unless they rework deathspike I don’t know a human being who’ll disagree with me lmao

It’s fucking awful

[misty holly]

Zoldyk plus death spike for some sick execute damage on trash.

[vestal wren]

seli is even the conductor of the train

[spice spire]

Exactly

[vestal wren]

tbh necro seems quite good on outlaw too

[timid cloud]

Wdym Kevin uptime on every pack in PF????

[thorn fjord]

They should let us pay gold to get our renown up to 80

[vestal wren]

for dungeons

[gusty mirage]

Deathspike’s only saving grace is that it’ll finally get used when your group needs a necro and you switch for the dungeon

Lmao

[thorn fjord]

Luckily the Campaign lvl'd my NF but ezpz

[timid cloud]

NL sub though….

[thorn fjord]

but now what am i supposed to do? Torghast?!?!?!

[timid cloud]

I’d rather die.

[rotund oak]

yeah necro is quite good for outlaw for dungeons for sure

[gusty mirage]

Yes. Suffer like I did

[timid cloud]

Reminds me.

[bleak sky]

Just do the campaign and you're renown 80

[timid cloud]

Idk if I’m remaking Zold onto booties first or Doomblade for Dread….

[thorn fjord]

already did for NF

[bleak sky]

You did the necrolord campaign for nf?

[thorn fjord]

no i meant the ZM campaign for NF

[bleak sky]

Do covenant campaign

[gusty mirage]

If you haven’t done the NF campaign yet they giga buffed the renown rewards

[thorn fjord]

Orly?

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

Added 30 extra renown or some shit to the campaign

[thorn fjord]

jesus thats huge

[gusty mirage]

Swap, buy the item to hit 40

Then do the campaign

Ez 70

[thorn fjord]

My necro is already 40 since nathria

So alot of the earlier stuff is done already

[vestal wren]

iirc you get 10 more renown or so from campain?

[rotund oak]

more like 20 more

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s def worth finishing the campaigns now

[clever kindle]

you get a stupid amount of renown from the zerith mortis quests

as well

[rotund oak]

generally,with campaign + callings and world bosses

about 75

[gusty mirage]

And if you’re a m+ rat

Go do korthia, get some questionable mawshrooms for sanguine

For your free lantern stacks

Each mawshroom is 2-3 stacks

[stray mural]

Sub 5 plaguefalls for my Phial

[slow marsh]

I like butts

[hollow river]

It usually takes a little while for them to make those kind of decisions. Taragrue was an instant removal, but KT took them a few weeks iirc.

[echo geyser]

@marble hemlock i know youre an outlaw hater but do u think outlaw is better than sin at anything in raid where u would not play sub?

[marble hemlock]

vigilant guardian

[slow marsh]

[marble hemlock]

unironically

at least on mythic

[echo geyser]

ive basically not seen any mythic fights yet

[marble hemlock]

you get a metric fuckton of mfds

[echo geyser]

watched

[marble hemlock]

could even play necro potentially

[echo geyser]

are the adds living a bit?

[marble hemlock]

like 10sec or so

some die really fast

others live 20+

think its almost the perfect outlaw fight

it might be good on lihuvim, but its hard to say

[slow marsh]

I was thinking lihuvium

Iirc 1 min vend isn't actually super great for it because the adds don't live 20s

[limber lion]

I think both are necro assa fights through and through.

[gusty mirage]

@marble hemlock do you have any insight on how I can be as cute as you?

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt know, but im very biased and i say the same

[marble hemlock]

play necro

[gusty mirage]

Okay did that, what next

[marble hemlock]

youre done

lemme take a look at you

damn youre cute

[echo geyser]

can i trust u to be non-biased, u are the biggest sin enjoyer

do u just play zoldycks on all the necro sin fights then

[limber lion]

Yes. Sub is definitely better on a bunch of fights than Assa, but I think Outlaw is in a very odd spot currently. Outlaw can be decent on Pantheon for the last part, but that's about it imo

[limber lion]

No, Zoldyck on Guardian otherwise Dashing/Doomblade depending on which sims better on cleave or multiple targets.

[echo geyser]

dashing doomblade

[limber lion]

I did around 13.5k overall on Guardian and I was the second highest dps just behind a 4p Demo Warlock. Assa, especially with the 2p, fucking pumps on Guardian.

Rygelon is just the perfect fight for Assa because you have unlimited amount of SBS resets from the adds so you have 100% uptime on Kevin and can just funnel everything on boss.

[echo geyser]

i need a stream for necro sin on multi target

[limber lion]

Sure, you won't necessarily have much time to multi-dot the adds because they die quick, but just throwing SBS on Rygelon, the star that you kill before intermission and constantly resetting the rest on the adds is massive.

[limber lion]

It's easy. I just have my nameplate turn green if they don't have SBS applied

[hollow river]

Which of the 3 soulbinds in Kevin on

The second one?

[limber lion]

so if you see something that's not green, you press SBS

[limber lion]

No, that's Emeni.

It's on Marileth.

[hollow river]

Ooh

Do we ever play emeni?

[limber lion]

Not really.

[sinful citrus]

Played necro sin on pantheon and its a little hectic lol should we be using marileth for pantheon or heim?

[hollow river]

Or just Heirmir and Mari

[limber lion]

Pustules just loses to Kevin everytime and Gemstones is too strong compared to LBE.

[hollow river]

Kk sick because I only have 1 and 3 unlocked lol

[vestal wren]

you could play emeni on single target

[echo geyser]

with 2p how do u even open on 2t, im doing lords of dread rn

[vestal wren]

but you probably won't

[echo geyser]

g g snd sbs sbs rupture both ct

when do u press shiv

[limber lion]

Yeah that's fine

Well, I'm not 1000% sure what is the super duper optimal way because of how 2p changes Shiv's value for bleeds/poisons

[echo geyser]

u can apply new bleeds/poisons after shiv and theyll still be buffed right

[limber lion]

But I still do the normal rotation that you did before tier set, which is just slamming Vend/Shiv after the first Rupture

Yes

[sinful citrus]

Yeah it's dynamic I believe

[limber lion]

Heirmir

[echo geyser]

would u skip CT while u in shiv or is that only for ST

[limber lion]

That's only CT

[echo geyser]

if only u streamed

[limber lion]

You just reapply all bleeds during Shiv on 2+

hah

pc too kaka

[sinful citrus]

Do you ignore your other target while vendetta is up or still keep bleeding them?

With 2p

[limber lion]

You still slap bleeds on the second target

[sinful citrus]

Aight cool just need to get the rest of my raid to quit dieing to spears and doing tank dmg in p3 then 🙃

[gusty mirage]

Just come live with me and use my pc

[echo geyser]

vanish into 2x garrote seems good when the first ones are expiring/in pandemic range

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[slow marsh]

Dang you don't trust me ok I see you 😝

[echo geyser]

wot

[slow marsh]

I told you that yday

[echo geyser]

i have bad memory

[slow marsh]

Ok fine that's acceptable

[limber lion]

Absolutely. For absolute minmax, you want to overwrite one of the empowered garrote 6s before it expires so you can reapply the second one instantly when it drops

[slow marsh]

I'm not memorable

[limber lion]

instead of having both run out at the same time

But that's super minmax and just a feels-good thing to do

Doesn't feel good when both garrotes drop and you're stuck there looking at a 6s cooldown on garrote after applying one

[echo geyser]

are u able to differentiate an empowered and non empowered garrote?

[slow marsh]

I don't think so

[vestal wren]

you could write a weakaura for it

[limber lion]

Yes

[slow marsh]

Unless subt changes the spell id

[limber lion]

I do have a korean script for it

from back in the day

[slow marsh]

Good thing I read Korean

[subtle tundra]

yes, my 129iq brain can differentiate by the dmg popups

[slow marsh]

XD

[limber lion]

But you honestly don't need one

[vestal wren]

subtlety used to use a weakaura for finality empowered ruptures in legion

[slow marsh]

I imagine we won't be able to easily tell snapshotted bleeds from vend either so I'm just trying to train myself to remember

[limber lion]

Yeah tracking those won't be possible because it's a very janky interaction

If it only snapshot once in the beginning then it would be fine but snapshotting dynamic changes to your stats with every single reapplication during Vend is just omega

[slow marsh]

I still kinda wish they removed snapshotting in favor of an additional minor buff but I guess we'll see who the truers are

[limber lion]

Well, our tierset is already super duper strong for what it is to be honest

We'll be pumping the single target meters for sure with and without the snapshotting

[sinful citrus]

My wa package I'm using tracks the empowered garrotes it's the atrocity ui

[limber lion]

just falls a bit flat on aoe but it is what it is

the 2p is fucking insane on aoe

like legit insane

[sinful citrus]

Time remaining is green

[limber lion]

I've done 30k+ pulls on m+ and I've never seen that before on Assa

[echo geyser]

is that still accurate with tiersets?

[limber lion]

Yeah that's accurate, except with Night Fae we have a slightly different syncing logic with the 4p.

[echo geyser]

yeah i see the nf part

[limber lion]

But with any other covenant just send it

[echo geyser]

so i probably just need to press it more often

and just apply new bleeds after

[slow marsh]

And for venthyr you don't hold shiv for vend you full send everything

[limber lion]

Yeh just press it on cd

Like on M+ I just do gar gar gar gar CT shiv

and I zoom

[slow marsh]

I'm sure some people will still try to make the 1min dream work

[echo geyser]

but raid 2t u said u send vend with shiv after first rupture

[limber lion]

and I gotta say, I was a hater of the seasonal affix

but Urh feels pretty damn good with Shiv

[limber lion]

On any 2t, yes

But m+ is obviously a bit different, you don't want to send stuff randomly

You want to send Shiv as much as possible and syncing it with Vendetta when appropriate

Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes not so much

Anyways, I've got a concert to attend to. See you soon lads

[echo geyser]

bai bai

[slow marsh]

Best of luck don't break a string

[echo geyser]

with nf shiv is symbols of death and sepsis is flag

[slow marsh]

Yep

[whole wadi]

im thinking doing necro for fort weeks and nf for tyr in dungeons where im not designated cov plug for the group

[obsidian aurora]

Anyone mind sharing priorities/rotation on pantheon?

[hollow escarp]

about to do a mists as nf assa for septic shock conduit

[spice spire]

Keep snd up > maintain CT > maintain bleeds.
Nothing changes just harder to do is all

[brazen zodiac]

so cool

[hollow escarp]

[solid venture]

imagine looting tier sets

[violet hemlock]

Imagine being and actual dot class.

[hollow escarp]

I played dashing

[thorn fjord]

Mythic Holundrus sucks

[jade minnow]

u think zoldyck is worth crafting for lords?

[viscid spear]

Ah, the days of 3x Shrouded Suffocation

[hollow escarp]

well, that's just 2 set assa with korayn

SS would have been even more

[viscid spear]

I meant having Garrote be your top spell, those were some interesting times

[charred wraith]

Zoldyck is haste/mastery long-term or its pretty close anyway? (well its close now in sim for my profile)

[sinful citrus]

Oh shit it's CT priority on 4 target 👀 I've been playing that wrong I was trying to get up my ruptures before CT probably minor but I'll take the gains where I can

[hollow river]

If you’re only using it for AoE crit/mas is typically the go-to

[charred wraith]

ty

[hollow river]

Won’t matter much either way

[woeful cipher]

how does it change with NF? are we just lining it up with cds? sorry if this is posted somewhere

[limber lion]

You just sync Shiv with Vendetta/Sepsis wherever possible. It would be something like:
Vend/sepsis/shiv
Shiv
Vend/shiv
Sepsis/shiv
Vend/shiv
Shiv
Vend/sepsis/shiv

[hollow river]

I kinda hope next expac they change our cd from a debuff

[viscid spear]

[alpine latch]

Woah woah woah, am I dreaming?

Ramfan is playing Sin?

[spice spire]

Ram plays all specs

[bleak sky]

Not an otp like some green names in here

I'm not gonna name names

But this one has a very good boi named George as his pfp

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

We can't really tell who that is

[spice spire]

You’re just angered that I’m deep rooted in my faith for assassination

[hollow river]

Why everybody gotta dox my boy George like that

[spice spire]

Fr

That’s the homie

He annoys me three times a raid to take him out, just to smell the ground. Man’s the epitome of touching grass

[civic trellis]

Did something change in simc yday/this morning?

My sim went down for like 150 dps in 2t.

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/8b0c3aee6eb25e89b45cd847eb9ab5243af93ba3

Does that affect us?

Oh it does

[kindred rapids]

Does halondrus parry?

[civic trellis]

nope

[kindred rapids]

Oh dang okay

Apparently you still have to stand behind for things like veinripper and probably backstab

Nice to know I don't have to worry about that though

[hollow river]

Don’t think so

Afaik backstab damage never changes no matter where you stand on that boss

Idk about ripper

[civic trellis]

It does if you arent at the back afaik

at least on dummies and pvp and open world, didnt check bosses but not sure why it shouldnt

[hollow river]

There is no “back”

[kindred rapids]

Yes there is

[hollow river]

I meant Halondrus

[civic trellis]

Ah you mean halondrus

not sure

[kindred rapids]

Halondrus has a back

[hollow river]

For the purpose of abilities he does not

[civic trellis]

In that case if you vanish/ss you would get tped to a random ubication

I guess

which doesnt happen

[kindred rapids]

well we tested that you need to be at the back for veinripper

[hollow river]

Nah

[kindred rapids]

jpc just said on stream he had to be at the back for backstab

[hollow river]

It’s the same as Eye of the Jailer

[gray fjord]

JPC has been griping at them for telling him to move

Yeah^

[civic trellis]

is not

[hollow river]

No he just said for WFT

Like 5 minutes ago

[kindred rapids]

and backstab

[hollow river]

Rosvall checked a couple logs this morning and there were no discrepancies in backstab damage changing

Maybe they played perfectly but I doubt

I’ve stood on all sides of him as well and noticed no changes in my backstab damage

[civic trellis]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[sinful citrus]

The method guide in the soulbind section has the triple threat conduit slotted in venthyr m+ soulbind section. That's incorrect right?

[oak sky]

@hollow river idk man read the tooltip

Oh you meant on hal

[red plaza]

Yeah it looks like an error on the pictures, when you scroll down to the description it should be WPS

[hollow river]

Yeah lmao

I know the tooltip my guy

[oak sky]

I bet hal is just scuffed in a lot of ways

Like coding wise

Or could be intentional idk

[hollow river]

Idk I feel like he’s the same as Eye of the Jailer

[oak sky]

I mean eye you cant physically get behind

Unless you use the chain

[tulip kernel]

during mal'ganis swarm phase on Lords of Dread is itt better to use FoK instead of mutilate because of the extra aoe damage?

[stable moss]

What cove we rock

[brazen zodiac]

whatever the cov in the pins say

:D

[stable moss]

I don’t see the pin in this Chan

[spice spire]

#assassination-faq

Pretty graphics

[stable moss]

Just saw

[spice spire]

Also at the top explains what when

That’s max level everything (graphics)

[hollow river]

Think the juries still out on this one

[glass tulip]

Hidden blades + fok conduit for swarm phase

[limber lion]

man still going at it

[glass tulip]

I'm here for it

[tulip kernel]

what double leggos we running til 4 pc

[spice spire]

#assassination-faq

[icy ember]

!plater

[slow marsh]

negative ghost rider

Just keep with normal 2t rotation

[glass tulip]

Yeah the answer is just be sad while watching warriors go brrr on meters

[hollow river]

Deathspike gonna crank on that fight

[limber lion]

I doubt it counts as AOE

But Pantheon gon be creamy

[hollow river]

[arctic venture]

@balmy condor Im venthyr, should I use dashing or keep obedience?

[limber lion]

You should sim it.

[arctic venture]

doing it now.

Obedience!

[limber lion]

:)

[arctic venture]

🙂

[nimble tartan]

:/

[vestal zodiac]

Doing heroic prototype, and having a hard time doing add duty and maintaining dots in P1 early on, any suggestions?

[umbral tulip]

You can’t really, if u want a log on that fight u just gotta ignore the adds

[limber lion]

It just comes with practice.

[umbral tulip]

At least in my group they die so slow that all my dots are gone when I get back

[clever kindle]

be a real gigachad, go for boss damage logs

you know except on fights like anduin I guess

oh wait you said pantheon, I need to go nap

[brazen zodiac]

hey does anyone use plater who i could dm a question

been googling it for like an hour and cant figure it out

[vestal wren]

i think plater is kind of the default for 80% of the playerbase

[brazen zodiac]

yeah?

[fading wigeon]

you would be safe just to ask in here, and someone will help

[brazen zodiac]

would you know how to make it so that no nameplates fade out? cant see the quasers on reyglon

[mortal pike]

I still use default name paltes

[vestal wren]

i use nameplatekai as it peforms significantly better than plater or other options and still offers most features you want from a nameplate addon

but i also use a modified version of it

[brazen zodiac]

lol ive just been trying to find anything that works for m+

so blind impossible to see what to kick and shit

[zinc frost]

do you use focus macros at all? That changed my life in M +

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i do

[mortal pike]

@vestal wren self modded 😮 ?

[vestal wren]

i didn't delete anything, so unsure what you mean

[weary marten]

isn't it weird than heroic bell sims lower than heroic amplifier for assa ST ? 🤔

[mortal pike]

Well what's the modified version haha

[weary marten]

which means ?

[balmy condor]

nope, that's normal

[mortal pike]

Sorry was in response to fuuuu

[vestal wren]

bells is even a bit worse than in sims

as it is easy to lose value on not high uptime single target fights

[weary marten]

oh i'm dumb, was on dungeon slice

so i win 75 x)

[sinful flicker]

is there an optimal PI chart this season?

[balmy condor]

No

[sinful flicker]

thanks!

[balmy condor]

The KA sheet has some really rough numbers

But it’s outdated and not great

The tldr is basically just PI the warlock