assassination

[limber lion]

But no one has 4p yet that's why it's not popping up much

It's really bad without tier set though

[languid field]

Are any of you all experiencing stealth drop consistently in ZM? Right now it is happening every 13~ seconds for me

[limber lion]

Never happened to me personally

Works fine

[languid field]

Bizarre, I can repeat it right now 100% of the time

[limber lion]

You sure you're not pressing a button to leave stealth?

[languid field]

I'm sure

I'm just testing it in an open field

[arctic venture]

Duskwalker? you mean?

[limber lion]

Correct, Zoldyck is terrible as well on most fights.

[limber lion]

Whatchu testing

Just running around with wasd?

[languid field]

Pressing stealth, standing still, then watching it pull me out without any other buttons being pressed

[limber lion]

That's indeed strange

[arctic venture]

Should I replace my Obedience for Duskwalker? @limber lion

Of course I have no tier set yet.

[languid field]

So playing around with it a little more, I think it's Pocopoc

I cancelled the Perceptive Pocopoc buff and dismissed him, now it's not happening

[limber lion]

Not yet

[limber lion]

That's super interesting

I have been mounted whenever he notices something, very rarely I run around in stealth

So that makes sense

[languid field]

Yeah probably not many have noticed it yet unless you are standing doing nothing and camping General like I am right now - anyway, submitting a bug report

[limber lion]

Hah

For sure

[arctic venture]

Truely. Simc said same now. Well I toke you last night advice and set mfd in the place of DE. (Im venthyr).

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a4VzwThQscsnxjA88XAtkw

Duskwalker simc worse at moment. Indeed.

[limber lion]

Yeh that looks good

[brazen inlet]

are there any standout legendaries for specific multi target counts like a specific one a few percent ahead for 2T vs another one for 5T etc? or do they all scale certain similarly with target count?

[limber lion]

No, we don't have any standout legendaries.

Zoldyck gains value from multiple targets, Doomblade loses value, Obedience gains value slightly slower

[hollow river]

TTB would like a word

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is the best bet at high target counts, Obedience if focus is on prio

Other legos are just very meh

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

But with tier set we’d use Dusk>zold yeah?

Even on Pantheon for example

[limber lion]

Yeh

Pantheon could still see Zoldyck play for the execute potential

Even if it was lower dps overall

[nocturne geode]

has anyone had issues mutilateing the affix in m+ or hitting it when targeted sometime? i ran into some small issues with that yesterday just checking here

[limber lion]

Plays a bit better in 4 targets that have to die at the same time

[limber lion]

I have not personally

I've encountered different kinds of bugs, but not that

[nocturne geode]

what have you noticed? it was a few time i noticed my issue yesterday was just seeing if maybe a awkward hit box on them

[gusty mirage]

You only play dusk when you get the 4pc

[gusty mirage]

The hit box is kind of janky on the relics, I’ve ran into that too

[rigid vessel]

So which soulbinds should we play for pantheon ? Theotar ?

[nocturne geode]

alright cool i thought i was going crazy and it was driving me insane

[gusty mirage]

It’s frustrating af tbh

I hate this new affix so much

[nocturne geode]

yea id have cds running sometimes and would go to hit them and the ability wouldnt go off and my brain would break bc i was like WTF WTF WTF

[gusty mirage]

If you’re playing venthyr, nadjia or Theo are fine. Theo with haste or crit tea will be a bit better though

Emphasis on a “bit”

[limber lion]

Killing the Vy-orb, for it to instantly spawn the other 2 big dudes instead

While their respective orbs are still alive

Very cool

[nocturne geode]

ahh yea i saw that, i think that was address in the bluepost last ngith tho

[gusty mirage]

Lmao you ever get the one where the order you kill them doesn’t matter? And they spawn whatever tf they want?

[brazen inlet]

is there a specific target count that crimson tempest should be picked?

[limber lion]

Yeh exactly

A shit affix made even worse

They do whatever they want

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Spawn whenever in whatever order they want

But it's not even that frustrating

[nocturne geode]

i like the idea but them spawning on some bosses w the vy guy jumping aorund is toxic af at low gear imo

[limber lion]

Because the effects are so shit

Lmao

[nocturne geode]

eventually they just get nuked and forgotten

but atm on bosses is annoying af

[gusty mirage]

It’s going to be a long season

[limber lion]

I just hate the clutter

Some packs have 8 mobs already

11 is too many

Sucks dick for the multidot classes

Probably whatever for the mega aoe classes

[nocturne geode]

the AI on the vy guy is legit tho he tend to beam on some anoying situtions to fuk you up

[gusty mirage]

Pretty much anything with a good chunk of the boss having adds, or anything with more than 1 target constantly (pantheon for example)

[nocturne geode]

also fuk that dragon boss in taz was in a 17 yesterday the tail hook will kill you

[brazen inlet]

so it’s a dps gain in 2T even ?

that’s pretty nice to know tyty

[nocturne geode]

1 hook cheated me immediatly

[odd heath]

Is this trinket not simming correctly on raidbots? https://www.wowhead.com/item=188265/cache-of-acquired-treasures?bonus=6805

It doesn't appear as using or any type of damage on the report.

I got a 265 yesterday but can't seem to know if it's usable or not lol..

[gusty mirage]

Yeah you’d keep up CT outside of shiv

[sudden sigil]

How is assa feelng in the raid?

[gusty mirage]

I spent an hour and 6 minutes in a streets 16 yesterday

[nocturne geode]

they mecha tuning all over again gotta wait for nerfs in there i think the scaling is wild

[violet hemlock]

I spent 3h do I win

was a 17 tho

[nocturne geode]

personally the pug i was in gave up on the dragon boss

[gusty mirage]

Yeah seeing an hour long streets being the 107th best streets key was fucking wild

[nocturne geode]

tank could figure out how to move the boss and not hook kill someone every time

[gusty mirage]

You win emotional pain

[violet hemlock]

it was 12th best when I got done

[nocturne geode]

couldnt*

[odd python]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Vers > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.

[gusty mirage]

I have a 19 streets, dead fucking key

[nocturne geode]

def dead

[violet hemlock]

ye...

[odd python]

stats for 9.2 is still crit or ?

[violet hemlock]

fan mail might just one shot

we used Wo for the dr on fanmail

big brain

[nocturne geode]

wait till you feel the tail hook

cheated and died immediatly

[violet hemlock]

I did a 18 gambit and it failed on dragon

we gave up

[nocturne geode]

^

[gusty mirage]

Stat prio will remain similar we still want crit/haste but right now we’re juiced on crit because of frost shards + sod gear having a ton of crit on it so haste will be a bit better until we start replacing more gear

[nocturne geode]

i think in the 17 the tail hit itself was like 40k plus the dot was likr 14-18k a sec for 5 sec

[gusty mirage]

You’re safe to equip higher ilvl for now though

[odd python]

OK, I want to go assa for pantheon, historically master gained a bit in multitarget scenario

[gusty mirage]

Yeah taz is giga overtuned rn

[odd python]

with necrolord, i should go doomblade ?

[violet hemlock]

btw oxi did the managerie end with u and the tank fighting the last boss for 5m

[nocturne geode]

xD

[violet hemlock]

cause that was my expierence

[gusty mirage]

Lmao surprisingly no, it was just me the mage and the tank left though

[violet hemlock]

all my friends were dead

[gusty mirage]

I played zoldyk’s because we needed more juice during the execute phase

[violet hemlock]

no unavoidable dmg in that phase tho

[gusty mirage]

The overlaps get bad in p3 toward the end

[violet hemlock]

so easy

ye it bad till the robot dies

then its easy

just dodge balls

u can break urself free

[gusty mirage]

We wiped our first attempt and I vanished

And it kept the gluttony on me

So we had 2 lol

[violet hemlock]

ye double gluttony

[gusty mirage]

Made the fight easier

[violet hemlock]

we got to 3

was epic

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

depleted +15 with 3k rio group

[gusty mirage]

Whoever thought 39 minutes is enough time for that is smoking crack

[violet hemlock]

not bugged dungeon btw

[nocturne geode]

wtf is that

[violet hemlock]

big mob

[nocturne geode]

LOL

that is king of mobs right there

reminds me of hydras wed make to troll our tank in legion

[violet hemlock]

then because I like pain I did a 15 streets too

that one got easy done in only an hour

big improvement

[hollow river]

I have a +17 Streets

[nocturne geode]

half the time since i couldnt hit the affix id just tunnel the boss and they others kill it i felt bad but nothing i could do

[hollow river]

[violet hemlock]

I believe in u tricks

[bleak sky]

191 minutes

did yall take a nap mid key

[violet hemlock]

we got like 5 pieces of loot tho

[bleak sky]

take the kids to school

[nocturne geode]

did you hydrate? bathroom breaks? smoke breaks? drink excessivly?

[violet hemlock]

the bear and lock were drinking coffee

at like 3am

bear got taco bell

at some point too

[nocturne geode]

my man

[hollow river]

I don’t

[violet hemlock]

the whole thing was recorded the lock streamed

u can see what not to do

xD

[hollow river]

Any other dungeons hard to do on 15?

I heard Mists is a pain

[violet hemlock]

erm some bosses seemed overtuned or bugged or both

tarvold was pain on a 16

Xav banner seemed to instant stack to 5 cause fuck u

Gambit being a 30min key is a fat joke

[hollow river]

What’s gambit? The other Taza?

[violet hemlock]

ye

[hollow river]

How long is Streets

[gusty mirage]

39min

[bleak sky]

mists is fine

All dungeons felt fine

[violet hemlock]

my guildie had an 8 min ingra on a 17

[bleak sky]

taza seem to be the only overtuned ones

[violet hemlock]

sounded fun

[gusty mirage]

Nah the scaling is a bit janky

[hollow river]

I heard multiple had weird scaling

And bugs

[gusty mirage]

If a 17 this season = a 20 last season… something’s up

[violet hemlock]

it seemed the droman was bolstering ingra

for some reason

cause blizz good at their job

[thorn fjord]

we ran a 12 PF last night and the last boss was a pain in the ass

[gusty mirage]

20s used to be jokes

[thorn fjord]

did not feel like a 15-16 from last season

[gusty mirage]

Now you gotta sweat out a 16

[bleak sky]

plaguefall felt fine

all dungeons are fine as long as you play good

except tazavesh

[thorn fjord]

game is hard

[violet hemlock]

Ive only timed a nw and mind u sergeon required 2 spears and we ended the fight with 4th construct about to join in

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

what key level

[violet hemlock]

17

[gusty mirage]

Need to use +28 strats from last season on a 17 now

[hollow river]

[nocturne geode]

LOL

im doomed then i only make it to 23's

[gusty mirage]

Scaling seems fine

[violet hemlock]

ye idk whats up

cause the trash feels reasonable

but some bosses just arent playing games

[nocturne geode]

wait till its fort next week

and say that again

[violet hemlock]

tru

but Ill have 2pc for sure right

[nocturne geode]

bet the affix gets buffed by fort

xD

[gusty mirage]

Streets fort is about to be fucking awful

[nocturne geode]

yes some of those mobs rip

exp on tanks

[violet hemlock]

ye... idk what is the easy trash in there

[nocturne geode]

dead key meme is def back

[violet hemlock]

also how tf are u supposed to not lose eons on the trading mingame

[gusty mirage]

Our mage got fire locked by the wise guys for like 14s straight lmao

[nocturne geode]

hahaha

be he was mad af

[gusty mirage]

He was like “can you fucking stun it please” I’m like bruh I can stun ONE pick onr

[grim hornet]

i felt jump from 16 to 17 was the "wall"

[violet hemlock]

sub vs sin diff as sub just cs all of em

[nocturne geode]

cheap shot no garrotes for you

🙂

[gusty mirage]

Nah fuck his damage

[violet hemlock]

tru tho

tell em to use db

[gusty mirage]

Let him sit there firelocked for 20s at a time

Then flame them for bad dps

[violet hemlock]

ye

[nocturne geode]

big opportunity there

why you do no damage bro

[violet hemlock]

but what if said fire mage is ur raid lead tho

[gusty mirage]

He is

[bleak sky]

just dance cheap

[gusty mirage]

He’s my GM

[violet hemlock]

lol

[nocturne geode]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

We were laughing the entire tbh though

[nocturne geode]

that was your first mistake being in that key then

[violet hemlock]

also oxi u can blind one get good

[gusty mirage]

After every shitty pull “yeah man this fine”

[nocturne geode]

straight baited

[gusty mirage]

“Get the speed buff, maybe we’ll run so fast we’ll break the timer and get this”

[nocturne geode]

speed buff felt decent tho

[violet hemlock]

speed bis on mailroom

[nocturne geode]

exp since it works on fights

[violet hemlock]

can do bombs good

[gusty mirage]

The buff cancelled my shroud in a 16 sd

It was nice

[violet hemlock]

lol

[gusty mirage]

My shroud just cancelled

For no fucking reason

[nocturne geode]

LOL

but you invis from the buff too out of combat

why you shrouding

[violet hemlock]

ye u just need to go into keys this week expecting to fail and then be happy when u dont

[gusty mirage]

Cause we wasted to shroud bridge lantern all the way to the inside

Wanted*

Idk

I was told to shroud bro

I don’t remember which buff cancelled it

One of them did

I was like oh okay

[nocturne geode]

haha fyi for futrue skip there that buff is plenty long enough to do that itself

[violet hemlock]

esp when a lot of ppl had like 19/18 from doing 21/22 last week in my guild

[spice spire]

17 spires this week

We’re chuckling

[gusty mirage]

I’ll trade you

[spice spire]

No more slows on final boss

[gusty mirage]

You can have my 19 street

[spice spire]

What did that streets turn into?

[nocturne geode]

how bad is that dot on 2nd boss spires?

[spice spire]

Oh HELL NAH

[violet hemlock]

I has a 19 mists was saving it for the weekend

[bleak sky]

it's not bad

[gusty mirage]

No clue

We logged off after lmao

[nocturne geode]

lol

[gusty mirage]

That key felt harder than pantheon bro

[spice spire]

Yeah there are two 17 upper tazaveshes in the group

[gusty mirage]

You kill those to 16s and hope for the best

That’s the strat

[violet hemlock]

upper seems okay but still shit

[spice spire]

Yessir

[gusty mirage]

Also 5 boss/3 boss split

Is so weird

[spice spire]

On tyrannical week? Idk about okay

Wait

Streets is 5?

[violet hemlock]

ye

[gusty mirage]

Yes lol

[spice spire]

Oh

[bleak sky]

20s are timeable pog

[spice spire]

Yeah but two of the bastard bosses are here

[violet hemlock]

also Somazi was a letdown of a final boss for the raid ngl

[gusty mirage]

The teleport boss was the least miserable lmao

[violet hemlock]

ye

[gusty mirage]

It was actually the easiest one by far

Lmao

[spice spire]

Dragon boss

[violet hemlock]

nah first boss got 1 shot

[gusty mirage]

First boss is a bitch though

[violet hemlock]

first boss gave us hopium

[gusty mirage]

Just tosses your weapon in the swirlies

[spice spire]

Yo fuck that boss in hard mode

[gusty mirage]

But yeah first boss and last boss are easy

[spice spire]

Always had to do a carry and hated that shit

[gusty mirage]

Uh the band guy is easy

[spice spire]

I’d imagine menagerie is hell on earth

[gusty mirage]

Just annoying and long

[violet hemlock]

ye band was easy getting into the oasis was aids

cause the fixate guys 1 shot

[gusty mirage]

I started testing shit for the book of shadows

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I was like fuck it

Might as well lol

[glad siren]

i have a stupid question

[gusty mirage]

We ain’t timing this shit anyway

[spice spire]

Possible stupid answer 🙂

[glad siren]

unity.. is it just to give you different slot options? or am i reading it wrong?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the memory is to let you craft it wherever

You get the belt regardless though

[spice spire]

Not dumb at all! You do have multiple slot options with the piece

[glad siren]

"gain legendary effect of your chosen covenent"

[spice spire]

And yeah what oxi said

It’s so you don’t have to keep swapping legendaries if you’re a serial swapper

[gusty mirage]

So you can use a non covenant legendary plus unity

[glad siren]

ok tyvm. it threw me off for a bit there i felt like i was missing something

[spice spire]

Like I am

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire I did a 16 top with obedience as necro yesterday

[spice spire]

Ayo?

Living out my legacy homie

Respect

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

Still 2nd dps its rough out here

[bleak sky]

I'm reporting you oxi

[spice spire]

Him?

I’m reporting that group

[bleak sky]

you're a community figure actively griefing a key

🚔

you're about to be arrested kid

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire I ran necro with zold on pantheon last night

Are you proud of me

[spice spire]

Bro I’m running Necro in raid

I’m proud of all the Necro homies

You saw how my raid went last night so

[gusty mirage]

I was told to switch necro and insta summoned

I may or may not have been marileth too

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

Marileth is fine

[bleak sky]

Kevin

[gusty mirage]

Huge dps gains from my obedience though

[spice spire]

I’m a heirmir simp tho

[spice spire]

Bro only gains

[gusty mirage]

Fat crit/vers

[spice spire]

[nocturne geode]

what if kevin is really pocupoc

[violet hemlock]

dont forget the big agi

[spice spire]

Then he’s the 2 time

[nocturne geode]

idk if i spell that right

[gusty mirage]

True true

[brazen zodiac]

hi oxi, quake !

[gusty mirage]

Don’t need no stinking legendary effect

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Howdy vita

[brazen zodiac]

i miss whispys emotes those are pog

🐸

[gusty mirage]

Wtb unity already

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

xD

[nocturne geode]

[bleak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

I miss whispyr

[spice spire]

Same

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

start talking about dumb talents and he'll show up

[brazen zodiac]

exsanguinate seems cool

[nocturne geode]

masterpoisoner exang is bis

also stack all the mastery

🙂

[bleak sky]

[nocturne geode]

did it work?

[gusty mirage]

Nah it’s like 7am for him

He works until like 3 iirc

[lavish hazel]

We dont go alacrity with 4p ?

[nocturne geode]

you might have a point there

🤔

[boreal pond]

Looking for confirmation, Do you use crimson tempest in your opener and if not when do you use it outside of opener? Just anytime outside shiv?

[nocturne geode]

you put it up after rupt i believe

and them maintain it the best you can right before it falls off

just gets rough w the duration cut on that on imo

[spice spire]

If you’re talented and lets say doing single target, here’s a prio list of finishers Snd > Rupture during pandemic > CT to maintain > Envenom.

Don’t CT during shiv window on ST. Also don’t CT ST if you’re running dashing

[nocturne geode]

ty quake

🙂

[spice spire]

For packs I’ll just
Triple garrote > fan > rupture > fan (pray for at least a 4CP ) until 4+ and CT then.

[grim hornet]

i think u drop ct during shiv, or during shiv + vendetta (on st)

[spice spire]

Then bleed where I can kinda deal

[grim hornet]

but im not sure about this at all, will need confirmation

[spice spire]

During shiv

Though I’m not sure if 4p+ vend helps or hurts

Also added the dashing line - idk who runs it

But for those 5 brave souls

[nocturne geode]

yea that wht i was worried about bc the duration at that point is so short pending your cp gen itll just fall off and youll never envenom really

also i imagine popping cds and then getting a mechanic during vend is going to be

[grim hornet]

i thought that was pain

then i discovered that the same thing happening with SoD is also very and it can happen 3 times for every vendetta XD

[kindred rapids]

screw this sub crap

prototype pantheon forced me back to sin 😂

[clever kindle]

dashing can still perform well based on your stat balance

[spice spire]

Found one

[kindred rapids]

I accidentally ran dashing instead of obedience on normal skolex and got a 99

[bleak sky]

isn't it like

-30 dps or something

[kindred rapids]

well

[nocturne geode]

its less than -30 if your not hitting your stacks right

but yea

[clever kindle]

I am required to follow the holy sims

[kindred rapids]

why would you do that

[nocturne geode]

im not saying do it

im just saying for those people having issues getting proper stacks

[kindred rapids]

-189 for me

[spice spire]

It differs based on profiles

[kindred rapids]

obedience is v good

[nocturne geode]

ye

[clever kindle]

obedience is a 6 dps increase for me

Actually maybe higher now but im not gonna recraft a legendary for 6 dps

[spice spire]

Not following the holy sims Smdh

[nocturne geode]

i decided for that crafted ring to recraft it w the flask bonus 😏 bc eventually due to mechanics the orb was indeed annoying to chase

[slow marsh]

weird

[nocturne geode]

didnt cost me a thing haha made over a mill selling jewelry yesterday alone lol

[gusty mirage]

the primary stat proc sucks anyway

run that shit with 20 other people who have it

play the game of finding out which mote is yours

[kindred rapids]

This is me trying to play sub

think I'll just stick sin

sub is so awful on prototype pantheon as well

tbf it will be much better with 4pc

[nocturne geode]

i didnt realize that LOL

[kindred rapids]

unfortunately I don't have necro prepared...

too lazy

Anyone else think prototype pantheon feels pretty damn hard for the 4th hc boss?

[subtle tundra]

i did 9.3k as sub in pf 18 now i did 11k as sin
am i just bad as sub wtf?

[kindred rapids]

yes, and same

although I'm still running sub in dungeons

[bleak sky]

time to retire varas

[subtle tundra]

nah r1 sin 😉

[bleak sky]

zerocool would've done 15k

as night fae

no conduits

[vestal wren]

fallow your inner seli and join the sin onetrick club

[subtle tundra]

i used to be, hellO?

[kindred rapids]

I had to run leeching poisons just to survive the winds overlap

scary fight to not have cheat though

[bleak sky]

it's a tough one for sure

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

you're right ez 20k overall

[gusty mirage]

[nocturne geode]

25k

[gusty mirage]

can't 20k overall if you fan of knives in ST

[slow marsh]

he was using HB

[gusty mirage]

was he using HB when he used shuriken storm in ST as sub?

[nocturne geode]

[slow marsh]

I give up

[kindred rapids]

Rofl I just realized

rank 1 healing with leeching poisons

[gusty mirage]

you're a healer main?

[kindred rapids]

I am now

[gusty mirage]

[upbeat needle]

lets gooooo

[hollow river]

Lol no cheat death on Pantheon?

[upbeat needle]

Sin heal spec

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Fucking mad lad

[gusty mirage]

my first hundred parse of the expac

is a healing parse on heroic xymox

awkward

[kindred rapids]

lol, I would just die to rot dmg

when I ran cheat

[upbeat needle]

dude get better I got 100 dam parse on normal man

[subtle tundra]

get better healers?

[upbeat needle]

tell Limit recruit me

[vestal wren]

gz

[gusty mirage]

same night as this bad boy

[kindred rapids]

well, we we had 30 ppl in and were a little short healers

[gusty mirage]

got brezzed into a swirlie that didn't show up on my screen

died again

[hollow river]

We would rot until they finally got the 3rd seed finished in p3

[gusty mirage]

got omega tilted and walked away from the pc

[upbeat needle]

I'm better

[gusty mirage]

we're twinning right now

[upbeat needle]

funny thing is

I didn't even die lmao

[gusty mirage]

wut

[slow marsh]

i died to rot on pantheon, got brezzed, stepped back to fight just to get double speared immediately

good times

[upbeat needle]

Oxi my twinnnnn

👬

[gusty mirage]

I've also come to the conclusion that I'm awful at sub

so I'm just not going to play it

[upbeat needle]

Same

[gusty mirage]

like kyr sub I can do pretty okay

[upbeat needle]

I'll only sub in keys I'm cracked in keys

fuck sub in raid tho

[gusty mirage]

manually refreshing snd is cringe

change my mind

[slow marsh]

I have to play one or the other or it messes with my flow so I'm sticking with sin too

[light pasture]

Hey guys, is it worth running zoldyck on pantheon without being necro? Wanted to try it tonight but my necro renown sucks

[upbeat needle]

RIGHT?!!!

[slow marsh]

sim it

[upbeat needle]

Rup feels bad as Sub too tbh

[gusty mirage]

Could be yeah, depends on where your group needs the damage

like if your group's struggling on burning in p3, even if you aren't necro you'll get value out of zold

[upbeat needle]

CTTC should be on all specs tbh

[gusty mirage]

they should just make premed not garbage

[sudden hound]

snd should just not exist

[light pasture]

Ok, thanks

[gusty mirage]

np just know that your leggo will essentially be nonexistent for the majority of the fight

so you just lurk and wait to dumpster all the others once you hit that 30% mark

@vestal wren tell them to make premed good

[vestal wren]

we have premed at home, its called deathly shadows pre pull cheese

[gusty mirage]

it's actually so infuriating how bad premed is

sin and outlaw (with GM) can have snd for days

sub gets... premed

which doesn't work sometimes for reasons

[kindred rapids]

there's really no other leeching poison enjoyers huh 😂

[slow marsh]

i thought about it

[kindred rapids]

I thought Seliathan was going to stop running cheat in prog

[marble hemlock]

i will

just not when i have 0 clue about the bosses

bunch of great leeching fights already

[modest glen]

how big is difference between assa and sub now for 9.2? been away for a while

[normal mist]

With or w/o tier pieces?

[modest glen]

both

[normal mist]

Let's ask some green boys @gusty mirage

[modest glen]

this is without sylvanas daggers, if it matters

[kindred rapids]

with daggies I think it's like 500 dps difference

[bleak sky]

check pins in both channels

🙂

[brazen zodiac]

:)

hi minal :)

[bleak sky]

waddup vita

[brazen zodiac]

nm rockin 4 enchantments

1shotting rares for cope

mere cope

[gusty mirage]

with double 285 raid daggers the difference is like 200 dps but that was with the sin profile using phial/taz trinket

so raid trinket tuning could close that gap or widen it

neither profile uses the first sigil trinket off pantheon either

[modest glen]

thanks 🙂

[gusty mirage]

no problemo

so yeah if you're deciding between sin/sub just go with what you enjoy more

[modest glen]

looks to be quite similar to previous tier then

[gusty mirage]

yuppers, sub's a decent amount ahead

but nothing crazy where you'd be inting your raid by playing sin

[drowsy parcel]

except maybe anduin

[kindred rapids]

yeah anduin is huge for sub funnel right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah its for sure a better fight for sub

ton of opportunity for funnel

[slow marsh]

But it's still not like sin is trolling for the fight

[gusty mirage]

you could still play sin

[marble hemlock]

idk

adds live like 10seconds

at most

if they live longer, you die

[gusty mirage]

I mean that's still 10 globals of ez finishers

[marble hemlock]

5

so instead of casting like 3 evis in 10seconds

you cast 5

massive gain

[gusty mirage]

I mean

[marble hemlock]

and youre not sstriking anymore either

[gusty mirage]

yeah 2 more eviscerates is a pretty big gain

[marble hemlock]

when you use sstorm over sstrike?

on a 8minute fight

getting half a dozen extra evis in, isnt exactly what id call "big funnel"

[gusty mirage]

I said a ton of opportunity for funnel

did I say big funnel?

[marble hemlock]

well

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

sin>>sub

[marble hemlock]

lemme put on my lawyers wig

[subtle tundra]

dont care

[marble hemlock]

cough

[bleak sky]

true otp respect

[marble hemlock]

clearing his throat

[gusty mirage]

you have one of those?

[marble hemlock]

It's not "a ton" either.

[gusty mirage]

it's 2000lb of funnel

lawyered

[marble hemlock]

get bent

[gusty mirage]

idk I'm enjoying assassination rn

[marble hemlock]

only an american would use a unit used to measure weight, to measure the amount of smth

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

but yeah

i also think that theres a few stones worth of funnel

[gusty mirage]

I'm excited to possibly get the 2pc

and see how it cranks

[marble hemlock]

did you get tier already?

[gusty mirage]

no

I'll get the gloves off lihivum for sure

[spice spire]

Guaranteed drop

[grim tangle]

anduin has some funnel for sub but also has some cleave for sin with the adds you need to interrupt

basically 2 target cleave

good for sin terrible for sub

[slow marsh]

mythic anduin changes it a lot tho

still a sub fight overall

but yes sin will have it's niche for sure

[marble hemlock]

ehh

you just cc the adds and kill them one by one

with the one you cleave not living longer than like 10seconds each

thats not really the assa strength

[grim tangle]

I think they live long enough to get value from bleed

[craggy ruin]

does anybody has a weak aura for dots?

[obtuse robin]

!platter

wheres whispyrs platter thiung again?

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

This is cev’s

I primarily use this one

[obtuse robin]

ty

[spice spire]

But also

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

For ST afenar’s is good

[obtuse robin]

cevs one wont import

error decompressing

actually wait

nvm got it ty

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[peak bobcat]

Did they fix first sigil trinket yet, it wasn’t resetting CD on wipes.

[slow marsh]

That makes sense because iirc it also doesn't incur on use trinket cd

[timid cloud]

Did any of my pals get their set yet? Full heroic almost, no gear. Go into normal, get poopy pieces…

[slow marsh]

I just have a couple poopy pieces from early heroic. Killing tier bosses tonight

My biggest drop so far is 255 socketed haste vers wrists

Agreon got gloves from lithium and still has halondrus to go I think

[gusty mirage]

I got a cloak and a conduit

[solid venture]

First raid of the tier tonight for me, gonna get loot from every boss for sure

[grim tangle]

I got 3 pieces of loot

none of them were an upgrade

would have been nice if blizzard let me trade them

[subtle tundra]

anyone know someone that already has 2p?

and his ign i wanna flame

[spice spire]

Agreonr-Tichondrius

Tonight bet

[subtle tundra]

doing hc tonight y'all gonna see

who a real g is

[spice spire]

Which spec we going homie

[subtle tundra]

assa boss

[spice spire]

Good, we’ll see a real G then for sure

You gonna hit normal too this week?

[subtle tundra]

yea, but hc first

[spice spire]

Ofc

[subtle tundra]

so we can trade normal gear

[spice spire]

Make that shit tradeable

[copper sundial]

I got a poopy 265 belt from desausage

And the poopy trinket from xymox

[agile osprey]

Have trinkets been discussed much yet?

[spice spire]

Lightly

[agile osprey]

Mhm, managed to snag a ticking sack after wasting an hour of my life in streets. It's simming decently for me

[spice spire]

Sack unfortunately a shadow of its former self

[agile osprey]

gg sack

[spice spire]

But if it sims better use it

[lean fossil]

at least youre getting gear... ive gotten flux every boss...

does anyone here have the 2p yet?

[brazen zodiac]

in my dreams i do

why whats up

[agile osprey]

I feel like this gets asked every 10 min

[lean fossil]

gotta know who i gotta be jealous of lol

[brazen zodiac]

probably

weird

[bleak sky]

weird

[lean fossil]

plus i wanted to know how much of an impact it made for their dps

[bleak sky]

it's in the sims

[slow marsh]

Hey does anyone have 2p yet?

[bleak sky]

Joe has 2p

[brazen zodiac]

joe who

;)

[somber hill]

So are the bells from skolex bait or good? seen multiple sims saying opposite things not sure if the buffed vers was implmented properly

also do we have confirmation on if this works in raid:

[bleak sky]

not telling you his last name, you'll dox him

[timid cloud]

Last time I used bell, it did 30k damage total with 100+ stacks.

[slow marsh]

Bells is pretty good. It was bugged so that's why i simmed at 20% for a minute. After fix not amazing but still solid. Yes agi buff works in raid but good luck getting good uptime on it

[hollow river]

It’s still bugged

Just in a different way afaik

Sometimes it procs like 3 times, other times it does 10% damage

[weary marten]

hey guys as necro which soulbind tree is the best for ST / hectic add cleave currently ?

is it still heirmir for the crit window or emeni now ?

[hollow river]

Which bosses are you talking about

If you can get a good amount of resets I’d go merelith

The one with Kevin

[weary marten]

felt like Xymox was ok

but i can also stay venthyr

[elfin portal]

Hey guys, what slot is safe to craft Zoldyck Insignia

[glass dust]

Hey guys why im simming higher with doom instead of obediance while switching venthyr ?

[gusty mirage]

yes it works, but if anyone else is using it gl finding your mote

[gusty mirage]

link the sim

also we don't play vigor with venthyr

we haven't for about 5 months now

[somber hill]

i need a WA that lets mee know when it pops so i can go look for it ll

lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah everyone in my raid is running it

it's like a scavenger hunt

I don't even bother anymore lol

[dull path]

heya, i read the pins. but wanted to check anyway lol. for double leggo m+ i do make duskwalkers on the ring, or wait with crafting it for now?

[gusty mirage]

just wait

[slow marsh]

No reason to craft now. Everything is overpriced

And you never know what kind of changes they could make that are unexpected

[gusty mirage]

dusk comes into play when you get 4pc

[dull path]

got the vessel in my bag, the ring

[dull path]

yeah thats why i wanted to check first. thanks

[elfin portal]

i see ppl are still using vigor, even in higher percent then other two talents, that percent was even higher in SOD

[gusty mirage]

that's because they're lazy

mfd is better

[somber hill]

^

[slow marsh]

mfd way better

[somber hill]

Literally passive vs active pressing, the avg. player will prefer a passive

[elfin portal]

i mean how much better, if its way better top parses still use vigor

[slow marsh]

Literally no stonks vs stonks. the avg player will prefer no stonks

[gusty mirage]

like 100 dps better

[elfin portal]

if its way better they would swap it ez

[slow marsh]

No they wouldn't

[gusty mirage]

that's not entirely true

[slow marsh]

because top parses right now are not really top parses

it's day 2/3 of heroic

[somber hill]

look at a fight like Xymox

[elfin portal]

no no not now

[somber hill]

where u can get like 5 resets

[elfin portal]

im talking about SOD

[somber hill]

in 7 seeconds

[elfin portal]

now is whatever

[gusty mirage]

SoD was also littered with externals

[slow marsh]

SoD top parses were all with externals

[gusty mirage]

so mediocre players seemed great

[slow marsh]

YOu could've played master poisoner and gotten top parse with KA PI and faeries

That's why it's important to actually know your spec instead of just looking at logs and copy pasting

[nocturne geode]

master poisoner is bae

🙂

jk

[gusty mirage]

also most people don't want to relearn anything

so to them the 100 dps wasn't worth it

[somber hill]

does MP affect sepsis btw? out of curiosity?

[slow marsh]

no

weapon poison only

[nocturne geode]

nah its not great

[somber hill]

shame

[nocturne geode]

yea

[somber hill]

y'all remember agonizing poison?

stacking mastery to infinity

[weary marten]

i remember paralytic but not agonizing 🤔

[elfin portal]

so whats the safe slot for zoldyck, to not interfere with set later

[delicate smelt]

Does Unity Lego enhance Covenant spell in any way?

[slow marsh]

no

[clever kindle]

Unity is just the name of the leggo that swaps based on what your covenant is

Its the same covenant leggos you had before

[slow marsh]

feet

[elfin portal]

ty

[delicate smelt]

I have already Obe as Venth, so for me it will be just same Obe?

[gusty mirage]

yup

[slow marsh]

Yes just higher ilvl leggo

for free

[bleak sky]

Sheesh man just tag @oak sky don't need to talk about him like that

jk agreon you're goated

[clever kindle]

Correct unless you change to night fae later on, in which it would become the night fae one whos name im forgetting

[gusty mirage]

Andrew is a gamer, how dare you

[bleak sky]

Absolutely

[slow marsh]

Dang calling out names huh

[gusty mirage]

yeah not to brag or anything, but we're bffs

[slow marsh]

o

[bleak sky]

Have you exchanged dick pics yet

[gusty mirage]

no that's just reserved for you

[bleak sky]

I bet you say that to everyone

[gusty mirage]

only the cute ones

[bleak sky]

Why is this chat so degen

Y'all need help

[spice spire]

?????

Mister minalba you’re firmly a part of this

[nocturne geode]

minal only excepts feet pics

[umbral tulip]

what kind of opener should I do on 2 targets with crimson tempest? I am gonna play it tonight on heroic but I am not sure what the correct play is

[nocturne geode]

hes a footieboi

[slow marsh]

you keep CT up always on 2t

after rupture

[slow marsh]

is it for pantheon? and are you playing necro

[umbral tulip]

I am playing venthyr with obedience

after rupture? so I would rupture first then ct?

[slow marsh]

for venth you play it like you did the nine

[umbral tulip]

ct is listed higher on wowhead on 2 targets in prio afaik

[slow marsh]

You want rupture up first for energy regen

[umbral tulip]

I see okay

[slow marsh]

So you just play MA / Mfd like normal

open normally and apply dots to 2nd target after shiv

expires

[bleak sky]

[viscid spear]

We're all a part of this, once started it cannot be stopped

[spice spire]

Me

[bleak sky]

what a fucking chad

[upbeat needle]

true gamer fr

[glass dust]

Here is https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/myPHRMPAUZjmadCMTKCfRy

Also Deeper stratagem sims lower that's weird

[spice spire]

It’s not weird for now

[clever kindle]

It sims higher at higher gear levels because of the greater availability of stats like haste

theres other stuff to it but thats a simple answer

more crit more haste more energy

[hollow river]

How far have you guys made it into Sepulcher?

[spice spire]

Don’t wanna talk about it

[hollow river]

DM me?

[spice spire]

Last night was painful

[clever kindle]

we got cucked by prototype pantheon

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Nah you can look at my logs

We are 1/10 H

Missing two healers

[clever kindle]

ow

[hollow river]

What about Normal?

[spice spire]

So we wiped on the first boss like 10 times and I tilted
Bunch of avoidable stuff

Going back Monday

[hollow river]

I’m looking for a 5/8 lock out

We want to skip the first bosses

[clever kindle]

do you guys see attendance issues with raid days that far apart?

Or any falloff in people knowing the fights

[spice spire]

We’ll probably get that Monday @hollow river

If you need it

[hollow river]

Dang kk

We’re prolly gonna blast through it tonight

[spice spire]

No, it’s always been M-W, generally week one is rough @clever kindle

[hollow river]

But we wanna prog Halondrus Heroic

First

[spice spire]

If you wanna yoink 3 out, just message me

And yoink my lockout

[hollow river]

Kk

[spice spire]

It’s not QUITE what you need, but it’s better than going au naturale and dealing with an hour + of trash

[hollow river]

So you have first 3 killed on lock out?

Already?

[spice spire]

Yeah we killed one on each side and first boss normal

Idk how lockoutshit works but I guess if I form it would stick to mine?

[hollow river]

Kk I’ll talk to my GM and let you know

I think so

[spice spire]

Glad to help whenever 👍

[hollow river]

As long as you get us to the 4th boss we good I think

[spice spire]

Well you still have to kill one on either side before tier boss

[timid cloud]

I had nightmares about Xy’mox last night.

[spice spire]

Unluck

[somber hill]

Any weakaura making chads around?

[slow marsh]

I don't htink there's a way to track it or it'd already be in wago

[somber hill]

its an area trigger

[nocturne geode]

imagine blizz giving us tier and putting tier in the last half the raid good joke blizz

[somber hill]

i think this is the actual orb spawn id: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=365455/harmonized-ephemera#triggered-by

not 100% sure

and then the buff itself is different obviously

[oak sky]

Bro nobody in my guild calls me agreon they all call me andrew oxi gets a pass

Goes with having my name in my @

[slow marsh]

Ok Andy

[oak sky]

Thats off limits

[slow marsh]

xD

[viscid spear]

Whatever you say, Voldemort

[spice spire]

Yeah but does anyone in your guild call you agreonr-Tichondrius tho?

[nocturne geode]

gotem

[oak sky]

Agroaner

[spice spire]

Wasn’t that an old guild?

[strange python]

what energy should we pool to for shiv?

[spice spire]

Or am I falsifying old lore

[oak sky]

There is no old guild only guild

[spice spire]

Ahhhhhh

[oak sky]

Didnt find a new one

[spice spire]

I thought you changed, unlucky

[oak sky]

I like them its not so bad

[bleak sky]

Frequent Questions:
Q: What is pooling and when/why do we do it
A: "pooling" refers to holding resources (energy in this case), to use at a later time. We currently pool on envenom, where we will hold until about 30 energy from maximum. This maximizes the amount of casts applying poisons during the envenom buff, and also naturally pools into cooldown windows such as vendetta/shiv. Do not pool during shiv/vendetta.

for more info check #assassination-faq

[oak sky]

Ooh i just saw theres a liquid split tomorrow

Lets see if the time lets me go

[spice spire]

Get the tier tonight

And you’re a lock

[spice spire]

Thank you mister minalba for your contributions

[glass tulip]

I need to resim nadjia I think, everyone else seemed to be playing her on halondrus

[oak sky]

Its because ur running around a ton and lose theotar procs and maybe lineups exist

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-frodo-run-gif-12983861

“For Oxi”

[oak sky]

I shouldve said oxi gets a pass too

Good enough

[gusty mirage]

it's cause we're best friends

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

Lentils slap

that's all

[viscid spear]

Calm down, Tevye.

[slow marsh]

I had to google that

[brazen zodiac]

hi gamers

[viscid spear]

Shouldn't be playing that instrument on top of your house

[neat stone]

Guys envenom got buffed or something? I am hitting much harder with same gear 😄 ikd why

[brazen zodiac]

nothing was changed if im not mistaken

[oak sky]

I'm gonna say losing frost shards makes envenom a higher percent of your damage

[neat stone]

Not that,i am just seeing higher numbers while my gear is same 🙂 trust me i know my char

criting 20+k without wps

[kindred rapids]

maybe you just have more BDE

[oak sky]

You're probably just getting lucky crits then, in details and logs youre probably doing around the same damage overall bro theres no reason for your envenom to be doing more rn

[kindred rapids]

I'm doing exactly as little damage as the sims say should be doing 😂

went from 12k to 9.6k

[oak sky]

Yeah thats how it is

From 12k to 10k

[weary marten]

did you switch to deeper stratagem ? 6 points envenom seems like the only way to increase dmg

[slow marsh]

It's not

[upbeat needle]

it's placebo and lucky crits

Sin buffed 9.2 ?!?!

[timid cloud]

I can see the clickbait now…

[kind drum]

!blindside

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[upbeat needle]

they'll just put this as the picture for the vid and boom

[clever kindle]

Outlaw: D tier

D just stands for Damage

[obtuse robin]

D stands for damaged fingers after playing it a whole tier

[clever kindle]

My fingers are titanium now, combat main since BC

[timid cloud]

D stands for da bottom of the list when we get past week 1.

[viscid spear]

D for Deeznuts

[clever kindle]

after repeated impact the microfractures fused and you become superhuman

[upbeat needle]

nah bro Outlaw is C-Tier

Carpal Tunnel

[clever kindle]

Nah Outlaw in a decent spot with the new venthyr build

[timid cloud]

Huh? The only button I’m hitting is my Roll The Boners.

[nocturne geode]

[timid cloud]

COPE

[upbeat needle]

after a whole tier playing sin in raid and sub in keys my fingers do NOT move how they used to lmao

cannot fw Outlaw

[clever kindle]

No ones making you play it

[timid cloud]

[nocturne geode]

help 5 buff im stuck

[clever kindle]

Who needs a 5 buff in 2022

[timid cloud]

Imma still play it in TOP though.

[clever kindle]

you build your own buff

[timid cloud]

[clever kindle]

just dispatch until you have 6 buffs

[timid cloud]

True

Simply get CP/CDR & you will have infinite god buffs.

Profit

[oak sky]

Wait are you saying rogue does boss damage?

Sounds fake

[clever kindle]

[timid cloud]

My utility is, boss die.

That’s why I have raid spot security.

[upbeat needle]

New header

[nocturne geode]

truth

preach it

[clever kindle]

Better stab

[timid cloud]

Go on then, I’m waiting…

[upbeat needle]

boss dying is 100% raid utility

[clever kindle]

[upbeat needle]

Rogue hit boss

[clever kindle]

and cheat death is a survivability cooldown

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

Aight, time to kill Halondrus and get a freebie tier piece

[timid cloud]

It’s rotational.

[oak sky]

[timid cloud]

You doing splittys, Cev?

[oak sky]

Get it done

[limber lion]

No

[obtuse robin]

[timid cloud]

Get that bread, gamer.

[oak sky]

Did your raid only kill up to lihuvim

Like rn