assassination

[slender berry]

switching weapons midfight is rather mild cheese tho compared to other stuff

[vestal wren]

they fixed almost all of the pre pull stuff

deathly remains for subtlety, its not good on sin/outlaw tho

[glass tulip]

dust swap still works too, right?

[vestal wren]

no

you basically go back to your normal cooldown

so you don't get any benefits

[glass tulip]

oh, well rest in pieces

[compact fjord]

Anyone here found a bis list for next season?

[balmy condor]

Bis lists are dumb and stupid erase them from your vocabulary

Sincerely, a guy who tried to give the community their bis lists and realized the community has no clue what the fuck theyre doing

[fading elbow]

[balmy condor]

People deadass taking -30 ilvl garbage from their vaults cause bis lists

Idiots

[bleak sky]

bis list here

4 piece of the tier set
two legendaries
good trinkets
high ilvl daggers

[trail mica]

haste too

haste is always fun

[vestal wren]

to be fair, i find that funny

[balmy condor]

It was funny the first 5-6 times

Then it was 5-6 a week

And it wasn’t funny anymore

[whole mason]

really? -30 ilvl...omg

[compact fjord]

Yeah i'm just asking, cause it makes my life a lot easier when I need to fill in for my raid group -_-

[whole mason]

it means last season's vault, right..?

lul

[balmy condor]

“252 ring is crit mast, can’t use it, I’m still using my normal sylv ring cause it won’t drop from heroic”

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

Do a resim while you’re clearing trash

[whole mason]

simyourself.jpg

actually i got one simmed myself, but not reliable at all.

sometimes, it feels good you use some other functions from raidbot.

[bleak sky]

what?

[frigid kestrel]

If it’s any consolation I took your BIS list as a guide and not law.

[balmy condor]

I hope so, I didn’t do one for law

Only sin

[marble hemlock]

gear choices are fluid

[whole mason]

you choose what you can get

why bis list

[frigid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-what-you-did-there-steve-carell-wink-yes-gif-11363998

[marble hemlock]

its more like, 2 people can come up with different gearsets that are simming within margin of error from one another

[whole mason]

i know a fair many wcl players who just cannot get the dagger, and you think bis lists get you anything..?

[marble hemlock]

cuz all stats are fairly even in value except vers

[balmy condor]

When I ran sims for 9.1 there were 85 combinations within 15 dps

For reference

[marble hemlock]

ye

[bleak sky]

Ceverion better pump this raid

Or Kojack

[frigid kestrel]

That’s the equivalent of asking a dog to bark, you know it’s gonna happen

To be clear, I am not calling them dogs

[bleak sky]

mods Nulfox is calling other mods dogs

ban them

[frigid kestrel]

O no!!!!

[verbal copper]

Anduin's neck will be better than the jailer's? :0

[whole mason]

depending on your selection of gears.

[bleak sky]

oh no cev died

[trail locust]

[limber lion]

The AOE spread mechanic too hard

everyone just cloaks and stands still :'(

[bleak sky]

smh rogues

greedy bastards

who's that Lolaè person?

[limber lion]

He's just Lolae

I would have definitely been #1 dps if I hadn't died

oh well

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

Lolae is a big Necro fanboy

he always plays Necro

[echo geyser]

show boss dam

[echo geyser]

wtf

necro doomblade

[marble hemlock]

i like him already

[echo geyser]

our run

[balmy condor]

I love how everyone is NOW scrambling for a dagger

[echo geyser]

bit late yeah

[turbid harbor]

i looted one but they didn't need it because 3 dropped in our run

big rip 😄

[echo geyser]

wow thats unlucky

[turbid harbor]

i totally forgot the hc sylvanas fight

[next cedar]

[echo geyser]

u and seli will get right along

[gusty mirage]

Yeah in the stinky category

[echo geyser]

isnt quake also a necrolad

[gusty mirage]

Yeah he’s the overlord of stank

@spice spire

[echo geyser]

[night bison]

How many targets before i stop using evis and start using bp?

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

3 but thats also a #subtlety question

[night bison]

whoops not paying attention, MB

[bleak sky]

damn this cat cute

[safe barn]

Dude

This 2p in prototype fight

[hollow escarp]

I was venthyr doomblade that run

[echo geyser]

[zenith mesa]

did you guys farm sylv daggers or what is this? 😄

[hollow escarp]

Echo did some splits and people from community helped out

some of their rogue alts needed some daggers

[zenith mesa]

seems fun 😄

[hollow escarp]

especially Perfecto's alt, with a 226 green off-hand

[gusty mirage]

damn that's a cute dude

[echo geyser]

0 daggers for that run

3 in urs

[hollow escarp]

yep

[zenith mesa]

sadge

[hollow escarp]

I haven't looted a dagger from boss since last summer

wait, so perfecto got no dagger

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[zenith mesa]

me would be rly surprised if rogues get a shot in rwf progress

[pearl ingot]

what am i seeing here?

[limber lion]

nothing of importance

[bleak sky]

[mortal pike]

Did anyone try much M+ testing on ptr? Was curious how necro feeling with 2pc+necrolord legendary haha

[limber lion]

It's fine

Deathspike range is still pretty small, but most of the bugs with it have been fixed.

[timid cloud]

Not everyone has your luck!

[brazen zodiac]

XD

[timid cloud]

[proven river]

should i pop rupture first in a fight, or SnD?

[balmy condor]

snd

[proven river]

alright, thanks!

[serene wyvern]

heya @balmy condor i was looking at the spread sheet and i wanted to check with you. so if i play assa rogue, at start i will play venth with vendetta leggo and then swap to nectro at 4 set and after 4 set and 2x leggo go nf?

[balmy condor]

venth with obed

vendetta lego is utter dogshit until 4 piece

[serene wyvern]

Ook, thanks for clearing this for me😁

[pure tide]

@balmy condor i looked at your sheet, are the trinkets still broken?

[balmy condor]

yes

[bleak sky]

@balmy condor I lookd at your sheet what is sin simming at

[serene wyvern]

Also, on what item do you recomand crafting the vend leggo?

[glass tulip]

ring

[balmy condor]

That’s also a pin

Just BTW

:)

[oak sky]

Minalbazap sham when?

[bleak sky]

Minalbahex is ready

resto/ele flex in keys and raid

absolute chad gigamonster healer about to overtake Maeveycakes

[balmy condor]

Minalbahex ready and looking for a third guild to raid with

[bleak sky]

if I commit to a 3rd guild I'll have to commit something else IRL

[oak sky]

[serene wyvern]

Sorry, didnt see it, prob cuz im too tierd…but thaks a lot

[oak sky]

Ill raid for you on guild 3

Just dont tell anyone we're account sharing

[bleak sky]

we make a wednesday/sunday guild agreon

[viscid spear]

[glass tulip]

What do we think about sin on Lihuvim?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[glass tulip]

how important is the multitarget in the add phase vs boss dam

[oak sky]

The boss is up while youre fighting the adds right

Even if its not

[glass tulip]

I think for at least a bit

[oak sky]

Lemme read the boss

[slow marsh]

You have to burn adds

So it's a full swap thing

Then more adds spawn and boss comes out again

Def a Necro angle imo

[oak sky]

Ye i was thinking necro sin for that one

[slow marsh]

Later on NF is also good for the mobility I think. That's what I played in ptr for it

But deathspike is actual stonks for it

[glass tulip]

this is what I came up with

mr minalba hasnt considered the raid yet so he had no feedback lol

[limber lion]

I might be going Necro day 1

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

but I'm still 56 renown

sooooo

[glass tulip]

get in torghast spongebob-me-boy

[oak sky]

I think dasausage might be venthyr sin and lihuvim necro sin pantheon necro sin

Rest is same ideas as me

Except im probably just not gonna play sub

[pure moth]

Why venthyr sub on boss 1, but kyrian on the others?

[oak sky]

Venthyr sub is better for aoe, kyrian sucks in aoe

Or just generally at multi target

[pure moth]

Oh ok

[glass tulip]

unless its sustained multi target

that's where we come in and blast on sin

[oak sky]

I mean no

Once you hit a certain amount of targets sub just wins

Cleave sin is great

[glass tulip]

okay I meant like 2-3

[oak sky]

Oh yeah

For sure

[timid cloud]

Going past 4 is where Sub wins

[oak sky]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

Because unlike us, they get more than 1 CP per 1,000,000 targets.

LOL

[oak sky]

I definitely don't think us straight up getting shuriken storm is the way to go, but theres definitely things they could do to improve fok

[timid cloud]

I like how yesterday, Mav tagged me & said "1 CP" then someone unironically came in here yesterday thinking that only getting 1 CP per FOK in a lot of targets was a bug.

[limber lion]

Remove the crit portion, allow us to get more CP per every target that has rupture on em

[oak sky]

Tbh they could keep the crit portion and just add the rupture thing

[brave moth]

+1 for necro

[limber lion]

Nah, I'd like to see less rng in the spec anyway personally

Remove everything tied to rng

Well, not everything

because mmorpg's don't work like that

[oak sky]

I mean I wouldnt mind that but seal fate exists so I dont care either way

[limber lion]

but thinks that are heavily dependent on it

yeh

Seal Fate is great on everything else but FoK

[oak sky]

Yeah for sure

[limber lion]

It changes the rotation to add some reactionary elements to it

[oak sky]

Yeah thats exactly what I was gonna say

[limber lion]

Otherwise it would be the exact same every time

But yeh

I'm way too hyped about WoW again

really looking forward to playing with 4p

whenever we get that

[glass tulip]

no rng makes it like FF where you could literally make a spreadsheet of buttons to press in order

[oak sky]

Super lame

[glass tulip]

yep, I have a guy in my guild who is world first level in FF and he showed me his thing

its so crazy, literally he said "I can give this to you and you can match rank 1"

[limber lion]

I'm just glad that Envenom is so shit where it critting or not doesn't matter too too much

Winds relying on crit was super aids

I hated it

[oak sky]

True

Hate when my parse is determined by a low hit giga dam ability

[bleak sky]

frost set

[limber lion]

First we gotta deal with externals

and then with the dom set itself

can't beat em

[bleak sky]

I 100% agree with cev on this one

in CN Havoc DH was unplayable for me due to that shit chaos theory legendary

[oak sky]

Cev is what we call in the business a "good take guy"

[bleak sky]

if you proc it, great, you do damage, if you don't, good luck you're fucked

having rng on top of rng is not fun

[limber lion]

Yeah, I have a friend who currently plays DH a lot and I tried to help him with analyzing his logs and whatnot

and we went to their class discord

[oak sky]

Lol

[limber lion]

and they just told us "unlucky procs"

I would hate that.

[bleak sky]

yeah it's no fun

[limber lion]

And I do hate that

[bleak sky]

you can get SUPER starved

and there's nothing you can do about it

just wait for a proc and hope you proc on proc on proc

[glass tulip]

that can happen on demo too

either get a 6 imp tyrant or 12

[limber lion]

That's why you slap a PI on them

[slow marsh]

Demo needs externals to function

[oak sky]

i was gonna say doesnt demo have a ramp they do

[bleak sky]

the reason I picked up sin for 9.0.5 was "it does big dam and has little RNG"

then frost set happened and I was

[oak sky]

tuning based choices

[slow marsh]

I take it you're not a darkglare enjoyer like myself

[limber lion]

I'm super happy with how our tierset turned out

[bleak sky]

I absolutely hate darkglare

[limber lion]

Don't have many rng elements

[glass tulip]

#eb4lyfe

[hollow escarp]

Should have seen poison bomb in legion

[slow marsh]

Some amount of rng is fun imo

[bleak sky]

did pb do damage?

[oak sky]

thats affi

[limber lion]

Yeah, PB in Legion was 100 times worse than Winds

[slow marsh]

But being reliant on rng is another atory

If I mained dh I prolly wouldn't like darkglare either

[oak sky]

wait

[bleak sky]

yeah thankfully I'm dropping DH this tier

dealing with dgm NO WAY SIR

[oak sky]

oh is that the dh leggo rn

[slow marsh]

I'd just run the NF build anyways but I don't know numbers for dh as well

[bleak sky]

it's gonna be that once 2x leggo is up agreon

for pure single

[oak sky]

gotcha

not only that

but the dh tier set looks really boring and unfun

[bleak sky]

NF is like 2k behind on single target

[gloomy knoll]

don't they go venth for almost every boss

once double leggo

[bleak sky]

yep

[oak sky]

the old tier set at least looked like it changed things up new one is an aura buff zzzzz

[slow marsh]

Their cov ability is a dot that resets/extends on eyebeam and their cov leggo extends it further and dgb gives more eyebeam and their talent reduces eyebeam cd

[bleak sky]

it's a venth tier for dh

[gloomy knoll]

except for like pantheon maybe

[slow marsh]

Playing dh for st dam

[gloomy knoll]

do they play the eyebeam reset leggo with the venth one

or do they keep demons bite

[slow marsh]

Yea

[bleak sky]

playing dh for aoe dam

[gloomy knoll]

ew

[slow marsh]

It's a melee cleave spec it's what it does

[gloomy knoll]

that's actually cringe

[slow marsh]

But ye I cba either way

[bleak sky]

ye it's a cursed tier for dh

[slow marsh]

My dh is 230 and staying there

[gloomy knoll]

i was gonna make a havoc alt too

it's either that or necro fury warrior

which is a GIGA uptime baby

[oak sky]

my closest alts are mage and monk rn

[slow marsh]

Necro fury seems bis tbh

[gloomy knoll]

monk is decimated rn

[oak sky]

ikr

[gloomy knoll]

literally unplayable

might as well just play a tank

[oak sky]

never

but

[gloomy knoll]

xD

honestly

3rd tank is prob worth more

[slow marsh]

No shot Necro fury doesn't get nerfed in heroic tuning

[gloomy knoll]

than a ww rn

[oak sky]

yeah rn ill probably slowly gear my mage

then im going dk alt when i can be alliance

[obtuse robin]

that and ele and enhance

[bleak sky]

bring a 2nd pally and it does more damage for sure

they probably sim the same number on bis gear

[gloomy knoll]

well necro fury isn't a thing

heroic weke

it needs tier + double leggo

[slow marsh]

Enh has a ton of variance, yes it's crazy, but it's not dropping a huge banner and giving shout and giving rally

[gloomy knoll]

and it also requires a fuck ton of uptime

[slow marsh]

Best ele build is cursed

[gloomy knoll]

so they might honestly just leave it

dude ele is fucked

literally ranged fury war

[bleak sky]

ele NEEDS to stand still like a turret to do that damage though

[gloomy knoll]

rip hands

[bleak sky]

if ele moves it's over

if ele isn't casting it's over

[gloomy knoll]

spirit walkers grace

[oak sky]

did ele tier get improved a ton?

[bleak sky]

yea but it needs more than spiritwalkers

[gloomy knoll]

nah they just found a new build

[slow marsh]

They can't do it with primal ele build

[echo geyser]

shammy warrior do seem good atm

[oak sky]

are they icefury

[gloomy knoll]

no

they are full on degen spam lighting bolt 100% uptime on ele

[slow marsh]

Ye

[gloomy knoll]

only lava with procs

[bleak sky]

yea it's cursed lightning ele build

[gloomy knoll]

sham war is gonna be the play for farm

if nothing changes

[bleak sky]

like demolock but blue

[slow marsh]

Ele has a bis build that is arcane 2.0 and then a mobile build that's strong but fine

[oak sky]

wait why do i have 3rd patterns within patterns

[bleak sky]

it's once every 3 days

it's not biweekly

thats why you got one

[oak sky]

theyre changing it tho

[bleak sky]

changing on reset

like weekly reset

[oak sky]

i gotta grind it out hen

[bleak sky]

yep

[gloomy knoll]

yuh

already 4k into friendly

[slow marsh]

I'm already honored you're slackin

[gloomy knoll]

cap

is impossibru

[slow marsh]

Tru

[oak sky]

Im 2k into friendly

[glass tulip]

only 2k

[oak sky]

Bruh it doesnt matter as long as I make it to revered by week 5

[glass tulip]

yep

you can gain about a thousand per day on average

so you can miss 2 full weeks of days

I take that back, 1 week

[oak sky]

i havent even missed anything yet

[glass tulip]

21k rep vs 29 days to release

[glass tulip]

I havent either but im at 4.3k

I hope I havent done 2k in rares lol

[oak sky]

🤔

when i say i havent missed anything

[bleak sky]

fellas be slacking

[oak sky]

i mean wqs and the weekly

or the biweekly

whatever

[glass tulip]

tri weekly

this week

[oak sky]

ye

[bleak sky]

but not on other weeks maybe

[oak sky]

havent finished it yet

[bleak sky]

but maybe triweekly

but maybe not

[glass tulip]

from now on it will be one weekly

with increased requirements to complete and rewards

[balmy condor]

If you haven’t finished should be like 2200-2400ish

[oak sky]

thats where i am rn

[balmy condor]

You’re chilling

[sullen torrent]

you kinda have ;D

I'm 3.2 without going out of my way to farm rares

[balmy condor]

that’s cool

[mortal pike]

I dont know where im missing so much rep, ive done everything every day.

[sullen torrent]

how much you at ?

[mortal pike]

1750

[sullen torrent]

so you've done 3x biweekly and all the WQ ?

[balmy condor]

Well, 3 world quests every day since we started the patch, we’ll say since Wednesday because EU for the worst case would be 1500 if you didn’t do today’s, or 1750 if you did today’s not counting the third wq that spawns later

So you either missed a bunch of wq’s and didn’t do the biweekly

Or you did every world quest and not one biweekly

[mortal pike]

Hm.

[violet hemlock]

ooh I thought I was behind but I guess 3.8k is pretty good

[mortal pike]

nah ur way up

[sullen torrent]

yep ur bing chilling

[mortal pike]

Is there actaully no aoe dummies on ptr?

for necro

[sullen torrent]

ye lol

[mortal pike]

Holy guacamole

[violet hemlock]

guees me chilling with my guildies just midlessly running around zm has been more productive than I imagined

[brazen zodiac]

bing chilling

[glass tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-chi-ling-alex-mei-bing-chi-ling-alex-gif-21908053

[tame coyote]

some1 got @limber lion plater profile link?

[glass tulip]

palmer does

[obtuse robin]

@brazen zodiac rep check

[limber lion]

!plater

[spice spire]

When did whispyr take over?

[limber lion]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[tame coyote]

thanks buddy

[limber lion]

Would highly recommend turning off the Vendetta from special buffs though

Or at least turning the "only mine" part on xd

Haven't bothered reuploading for just that change

[tame coyote]

gotcha, im going to try it out thanks

[brazen zodiac]

rep check soldiers

[glass tulip]

4300

[brazen zodiac]

4,725

[glass tulip]

touch grass

[obtuse robin]

4735

one up

ha !!

[brazen zodiac]

i cleaned my room, did all my laundry, walked my dog for a total of 2 hours all together, and made mac n cheese with cayene and chicken

suck my dick

come play league u 2?

[bleak sky]

4k after I'm done with the patterns

[obtuse robin]

after helmix spawns sure

[glass tulip]

what dick

sure

[brazen zodiac]

the one that i do not have

[spice spire]

How am I ahead of you

[brazen zodiac]

but will grow once i upgrade my cipher console

how many rares are yall killin for cope

[glass tulip]

idk, a bunch when I get bored

but probably like less than 10

[brazen zodiac]

i usually get 25

[obtuse robin]

[brazen zodiac]

pretty sure some of em just dont spawn on some days, others on like an 8 hour fuckin timer lol

havent seen euvouk in like 2 days now

[pallid panther]

any ideas what 262 blue piece we might want to purchase? assuming full bis from SOD

[limber lion]

Blue piece?

[zinc frost]

I think he’s referring to the 262 unique crafted piece

[oak sky]

im 3300 rep now

[astral imp]

Hows assassination looking dps wise so far in 9.2? is there any better spec to switch too or is assassination gonna do fine?

[red plaza]

🔮

[limber lion]

Assassination will do fine.

Looks good.

[limber lion]

Ah right

[limber lion]

Just buy whatever major slot you're missing.

Helm/Chest/Legs, Ring/Neck

[glass tulip]

or cover an item slot you know you would prefer to trade to a guildie if it drops

[brazen zodiac]

sup cev whats poppin

[hollow gust]

is it just me or fan of knives isnt consistant on how many combo points it awards you in aoe

[limber lion]

sup

[limber lion]

that's correct

because of Seal Fate

It grants more combo points depending on how many crits you get

[brazen zodiac]

nm playin league of legends while waiting for this fuckin rare to spawnzzzzz

[hollow gust]

okay ty

[limber lion]

Coolcool, I'm just about to hit the bed

Few more rares to go

[brazen zodiac]

what rares u waitin on

i hope u sleep peacefully and no spiders crawl on ur legs

[limber lion]

Just running around killing whatever pops up

[brazen zodiac]

thats the spirit

[bleak sky]

bull you got rogue extraordinaire sameseelort to help you

[balmy condor]

the green name is giving you powers for real bruh

[hollow river]

you guys are 4k into Friendly already?

that's ridiculous lmao

[oak sky]

only 3.5k

theyre grinding for the infinite auggie

/s

[hollow river]

i will prolly never have infinite auggie lel

[bleak sky]

ye just kill rares

there's nothing else to do in the game

[spice spire]

Exactly

[hollow river]

making gold > killing rares

[glass tulip]

make gold how

tried making health pots and idiots undercut them to under breakeven price

[brazen zodiac]

skinnings pretty free

[bleak sky]

selling very late ksm for 20k a pop

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

I'm almost there, but truthfully I haven't spent a lot of time trying to farm rares. I'm at 3745

[oak sky]

go farm treasures for progenitor essentia

[hollow river]

i'm like 1400 into Friendly

[oak sky]

i meant for goldmaking

[hollow river]

i missed out on the first 2-3 days completely

so i'm behind 1 "weekly" and a few dailies

and yeah ik, i haven't gotten a single essentia yet

it's already pretty cheap on my realm

[glass tulip]

make sure you get the jiro buff for it too

[echo geyser]

whhat

this my tree rn

did u go ham in 1st one? @glass tulip

[timid cloud]

Trebalim is still bugged IIRC

[sudden hound]

it is not

fixed it earlier today

[timid cloud]

I'll check after this key then, because it wasn't letting me research it 2 hours ago.

[sudden hound]

it was much earlier than 2 hours ago. i opened my map and there was a quest in the cave to start the research

[glass tulip]

I dont use the enhancement consoles at all

but the little jiro give you an extra 10ish cyphers per day

[timid cloud]

Oh yeah, they fixed it, ty, finally.

[bleak sky]

key...?

who hurt you

[hearty dock]

Did the vendetta bleed snapshotting ever get fixed since they changed it to work w/ SBS?

[bleak sky]

yes

[timid cloud]

You did, my brother...

[bleak sky]

[gloomy knoll]

wait

i thought scarizard said that was a bug that the snapshot was removed

and it was gonna be reverted

is there no snapshot?

at the end of vendetta?

[bleak sky]

"The bleed overhang has been re-introduced to the tier set after the accidental removal of it recently."

as of feb 14

or something like that

[gloomy knoll]

oh pog

so we still go tit

[bleak sky]

ye

[balmy condor]

bro I'm just sitting here in my slutmog looking for weary travelers and you out here killin rares instead of getting some twink bussy

[bleak sky]

bruh im sitting in my hideout deciding if I brick my chest with a maven's orb or not

wow is dead to me

[balmy condor]

maven's orb and if it hits just chaos spam for the other affixes super easy

[bleak sky]

(for the rest of the day)

[balmy condor]

me but it's literally just minal adding the same emote over and over

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

I'm SORRY?

[glass tulip]

I'll hit you up for a booty call if you make your way onto the tich shard

[balmy condor]

did I stutter

[balmy condor]

I had a rogue /wave at me earlier when I was banging out dailies and I realized he was in occasional excellence

what a lad

they transferred to a52

[glass tulip]

occasional excellence is notable?

oh

[balmy condor]

occasional excellence is the guild koji and babylonious raid in

[glass tulip]

ah I see

did not know that

v cool

[balmy condor]

they were on turalyon I think

one of the best turalyon guilds

2 day 8 hour or something

like wr400 shitters

and then when the boosting stuff happened they're like yo turalyon fucking blows we gotta go

and then transferred to a52

[timid cloud]

I don't ever see you in Sinfall at all.

You one of them birdlike boys?

[balmy condor]

that's cause I'm only ever venthyr for keys and it's a quick hop to oribos both ways

[bleak sky]

why are you in sinfall cydone

there's nothing to do there

[timid cloud]

???

Getting my EMBER COURT

& my mirrors...

[balmy condor]

I still have never done ember court

every time I go venth the quest pops up to start one

and I just never do

[timid cloud]

Fun to jump around in as well. Laps around the middle table.

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

[glass tulip]

I have never interacted with a special feature outside of the garden

never will

[balmy condor]

I barely even did that

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I've done like....2...total...

[balmy condor]

I planted some seeds, didn't know what they did or how it worked, collected them

was nothing but more seeds and garbage cluttering my bags

never planted more again

I am a simple man, if it gives me power, I do it, if it doesn't, I do not do it

ook ook pve andy

[timid cloud]

The Soulshapes though, that we won't have for very much longer?!

🥺

[balmy condor]

last time I did casual content for fun must've been like island spamming with friends, but even that was AP grinding so technically power

[timid cloud]

Oh lord...

[balmy condor]

or like the withered army training in suramar

I really enjoyed doing those

suramar goated zone

I loved just walking around in the city exploring

[oak sky]

Suramar

[simple rivet]

Curious if anyone knows why rogues don't have sim profiles yet on bloodmallet and herodamage?

Cev said it was something with raid trinkets, but I'm not sure what that means, or what needs to be done to fix them? Is it like a wow dev team thing, or somebody else?

[balmy condor]

because we haven't submitted t28 profiles yet

until we submit t28 profiles, they won't show up on bloodmallet, herodamage, the simcraft page, etc

we're not submitting them because there's a bunch of trinkets that don't work in game, don't work in sims, and it leads to unstable profiles

and we're not comfortable releasing unstable profiles like that which we would need to change a bunch when things get fixed

[simple rivet]

Ah got ya. Thanks for the update and everything you're doing brother

When you say the trinkets don't work in-game, are they actually bugged? Or is it more information needed for accurate info on it? (Like actually getting one in game and testing it)

[balmy condor]

they actually just straight up don't work

plus we're expecting a fairly large tuning pass on a lot of them still

the numbers on the raid trinkets are pretty whack

[bleak sky]

1.3k vers

[balmy condor]

that one also doesn't incur the 20 second cd for on-use trinkets

so you can like use that and IQD at the same time

and get 1.3k vers and 900 crit or whatever

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

yeah there's a lot of stupid shit

[bleak sky]

boomies go BRRRRRRR

[slow marsh]

Pog

[bleak sky]

all classes go BRRRRRRR

[balmy condor]

blizzard seems really behind this patch

[simple rivet]

Wasn't it like that in the past

You could double on use

[bleak sky]

they're busy with Dragon Isles

[balmy condor]

the cantrip dagger for int users went live with actual 0's in the tooltip

does 0 damage

[balmy condor]

double on use has caused the unused trinket to go on cooldown since like, late wrath or early cata or something

it's been a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time

since you could double on use without a cd

[timid cloud]

Didn't learn from having dogshit trinkets.

<_>

[simple rivet]

Ya, I remember double on using way back when. I'm totally a boomer

[balmy condor]

yeah cata was 12 years ago

[brazen zodiac]

sup whisp

[glass tulip]

sup vita

[balmy condor]

the sky

just like yesterday

[grave ivy]

Please stop making me feel old, sir

[brazen zodiac]

sup mav nm

need to go to sleep soon for driving lessons tomorrow :D

[glass tulip]

you kill gorkek today?

[brazen zodiac]

no

[balmy condor]

I was 9 years old during my summer vacation between 3rd and 4th grade when cata launched

[glass tulip]

gr

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

did he even spawn today

[balmy condor]

I didn't have a phone until a year and a half later

[glass tulip]

Nope

[balmy condor]

when I got an iphone 4

[glass tulip]

I legit almost got an iPhone again this year because it is square edged like the 4 was

[brazen zodiac]

so im guessing evouk, gorkek, and vitenm or whatever spawn every other day or few days

[glass tulip]

Haven't had one since a 5S

[grave ivy]

Holy shit.

[balmy condor]

oh

I can do one better

[grave ivy]

Please don’t

[balmy condor]

I started playing in wod

and most people nowadays consider that old

[grave ivy]

I’m going to need to speak to your manager. I’ll be talking to Ryfie about this.

[balmy condor]

Ryfie retired

look at me

I'm the captain now

that movie btw

almost 10 years old

[grave ivy]

About your age

[balmy condor]

I'm turning 23 this year

[brazen zodiac]

pog!

[grave ivy]

I was in high school when you were born

[balmy condor]

damn

imagine being in school in 99

what a loser

being able to remember the y2k bug and shit

boomer

[grave ivy]

I don’t partake in the boomer stuff because it hits too close to home

[balmy condor]

did you own a flip phone

[grave ivy]

Of course

I owned a pager, too

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-dont-you-dare-gif-21943972

[upbeat needle]

what a baby

jk jk I'm 23

you still baby tho

[amber fossil]

fax is where it's at

[balmy condor]

I'm baby

[zinc frost]

Did he actually retire ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gusty mirage]

who will step up to fill his shoes?

it's up to you or @bleak sky whispyr

[bleak sky]

I might not touch sin for M+ this season

it's up to Seli / Varas honestly

maybe goodoption? 👀

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

yall young

im 21

old i mean

sup minal!

[bleak sky]

no spit, bad sub for lube

waddup vita

[gusty mirage]

get off my lawn

[brazen zodiac]

no sir i mow it

[bleak sky]

yeah they're boomers I'm a cool zoomer too

[brazen zodiac]

u literally pay me to mow it sir plz do not yell at me

[echo geyser]

varas deadge

[bleak sky]

fuck

Seli.....?

[balmy condor]

@toxic quail sin m+ 9.2 check

[bleak sky]

if good plays sin I play sin, he can't have rank 1 (realm) two seasons in a row

[echo geyser]

some necrochad gonna rise to the spot

[bleak sky]

ok that's just seli

[gusty mirage]

seli's a lost ark boy now

lost forever

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

infinitehot gonna come in with the forbidden tech

and just spam keys for 50 hours a day

to the top

[gusty mirage]

that was my plan

wtf man

stop sharing my secret tech

[balmy condor]

bro I have no clue what I'm looking at

[gusty mirage]

a washed up boomer trying to stay relevant

call me diet seli

[balmy condor]

I cant read anything on this spreadsheet

it's too much

what do any of these numbers mean

[grave ivy]

At least you wash so no stinky

[gusty mirage]

lmfaoooooooo

the fan of knives on ST secret tech

[bleak sky]

the numbers mean a way to quantify something

that's usually what those are for

hope I helped

cheers,

[gusty mirage]

alright someone ban this guy

he doesn't even play rogue anymore

[balmy condor]

throwback to when I basically coded a really simple simcraft into google sheets to find mastery breakpoints for when to fok spam in legion with PK

because I was an idiot and bored

[bleak sky]

I did a key yesterday ok

[toxic quail]

bro, im no longer a rogue boy

[balmy condor]

and I replicated every tooltip damage number in that spreadsheet

by hand

[bleak sky]

and it was miserable

[balmy condor]

sorry who are you?

[cerulean junco]

You got 2 years left til things go downhill

[balmy condor]

I'm looking for goodoption the rogue

[toxic quail]

LIttleoption, Enhance boy

[balmy condor]

oh

[toxic quail]

sadge

[balmy condor]

you're dead to me

[gusty mirage]

oof

[balmy condor]

can you put your brother goodoption on the phone

[grave ivy]

Let’s just say he’s ahead of the schedule

[balmy condor]

need to talk to him

[toxic quail]

we were never able to recruit one so im the only melee who can multi spec in my guild so i was asked to change

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-wilfred-mott-salute-gif-5165008

[toxic quail]

but im still a Assa boy at heart and gonna keep Goodoption up to date

i love Assa in high keys

[balmy condor]

the rogue to reroll for raid utility pipeline

usually it's rogue to warrior

[toxic quail]

we have 2 sick warriors so that was the main reason they asked me to switch

[gusty mirage]

get them some medicine?

hello?

[toxic quail]

plus we found a rogue who was almost as good as me

hahahaha oxi

[balmy condor]

no shot

[gusty mirage]

is it whispyr

he's pretty good

don't tell him I said that though

[toxic quail]

i wish it was any of yall ❤️ id love to have you fine ass boys in my guild

[balmy condor]

I dropped out of top 50 all stars because the dagger bug purge bro don't do me like that

[gusty mirage]

could be worse

you could have all your 100s purged like someone over in sub

[toxic quail]

yeah you could have options parses where i had bis gear but always had to do mechanics so i could never parse

[gusty mirage]

good guy goodoption

living up to the name

you love to see it

[toxic quail]

too many people trying to parse and i never got my turn

[gusty mirage]

we need someone to not wipe us, I got a goodoption

[toxic quail]

im the peoples champ

[grave ivy]

That gif made this so much better

[gusty mirage]

90% of my humor is the GIFs

[toxic quail]

yeah im fucking dead with that hahaha

[gusty mirage]

the other 10% is when I embarrass myself

[toxic quail]

thats me 100% hahaha

[gusty mirage]

dead ass pulled 2 bosses as frost kyrian sub 2 weeks ago

completely forgot to switch shards

[toxic quail]

hahahah that new new build

[gusty mirage]

cause I'm stupid

[grave ivy]

You were… testing stuff

[toxic quail]

this mans really theorycrafting new shit

[gusty mirage]

lemme see how bad I did

un momento

[grave ivy]

I don’t speak Italian

[gusty mirage]

had GREAT powers

ruined it

smh

[toxic quail]

at the end of the day as long as im getting CE every tier and getting a purple or orange parse im happy as fuck

idk how imma prog bosses without cloak, cheat death, feint, and evasion though

send help

Astral Shift is only so good

[gusty mirage]

mooood

[echo geyser]

play nf dreamweaver

[toxic quail]

yeah thats my build actually.

but where are my other fucking defensives D:

imma be calling for externals

[brazen zodiac]

sup option

[toxic quail]

yooooooo b!

[brazen zodiac]

whats poppin gamer tamer

[oak sky]

i always see you online in my friends list

but its never goodoption anymore

gooderoption or littleoption

[toxic quail]

i know its big sadge

Littleoption is in Zereth Mortis farming for no reason

Bestoption (Survival Hunter) needs some face time

[oak sky]

worstoption when

[bleak sky]

that's just outlaw bro

[toxic quail]

Shit man i think thats my level 56 Spriest i abandoned

[brazen zodiac]

XD

[oak sky]

is there a goodestoption too

[toxic quail]

nah its 1 letter too long

i tried

[oak sky]

fuuuucl

betteroption

YEP

[brazen zodiac]

have u done sickoption?

[timid cloud]

I see Bestoption sign up for my Vault keys.

Then I reject him.

Jk

[toxic quail]

Betteroption is technically my DH friend who jacked my name on Illidan. But i made Betteroption my mirror Rogue on A52

HAHAHAHAH CYDONE

[timid cloud]

❤️

[toxic quail]

NO! Thats a good one

[brazen zodiac]

gogoogog fast gogogoog

[toxic quail]

im bis AOE i just cant ST at alllll

[gusty mirage]

Leave the ST for the loser rogues who can’t aoe even if they tried

[toxic quail]

hahhahaha the only reason my friends let me assa in keys

but id get PI everytime i pressed vendetta so it was worth

Prot Pala. Holy Priest, Frost Mage, Fury/Arms War, Assa Rogue

we did pretty well

[upbeat needle]

so for sin we play venthyr til 4pc?

[grim tangle]

you can play what you want :)

[hollow river]

pretty much yeah

if you happen to get 4p before double leggo you can run necro, but after double leggo it's NF

[upbeat needle]

bet ty

[bleak sky]

pins

[slow marsh]

Necro and venthyr both

[gusty mirage]

Probably full sending necro tbh

Just for a change

Venthyr for like 10 months is kinda stale

[zinc frost]

God I hope necro slaps before NF becomes the go to

[gusty mirage]

It’s looking like it will be strong until double leggo

So if you get lucky with some tier pieces crank away with the bone boys

[zinc frost]

[spice spire]

Did someone say bonezone?

[old thistle]

necro sin with 2x lego and 4p is pog on m+

[zinc frost]

Gameplay wise necro is so much more fun than venth

[vestal wren]

just chill on subtlety before unlocking 4p, trust me subtlety is a lot more fun and we have double cream cookies 😮

[zinc frost]

If blizzard gives us the ability to change covenants via tomes and talent-esque system, I’ll be one happy rogue

[vestal wren]

maybe in 9.2.5

but i wouldn't hold my breath

[zinc frost]

Me neither, but one can dream

[glass tulip]

just put emissaries in ZM to swap there

[oak sky]

yeah that would be sick

[glass tulip]

soulbind thing and anima deliverer but no swapping?

like cmon now

[balmy condor]

No go away

[glass tulip]

everyone important is literally standing in haven, why cant there be a war table in a tent / cave somewhere

[balmy condor]

Have a cov swapper in haven

And a conduit thingy

Pls

[glass tulip]

there is a conduit thingy

[balmy condor]

Don’t make me go back to sanctum

[balmy condor]

Wait what

[zinc frost]

Yeah conduit in Haven is huge

[balmy condor]

Where

[glass tulip]

right to the right of the mailbox

[balmy condor]

I must know

[obtuse robin]

left entrance

[glass tulip]

but the swap still sucks

[balmy condor]

I will look for it when I get home

[old thistle]

its close to the portal

[balmy condor]

If you fucks are gaslighting me

[obtuse robin]

left of the front entrance rather

[balmy condor]

It will be hell in this channel

[unreal mesa]

its there.

[old thistle]

its there

[zinc frost]

I think it’s on your mini map as well

[balmy condor]

Now just add a cov swap

[glass tulip]

but still so annoying to have to hearth to oribos, swap, take portal back

[balmy condor]

And shadowlands will be saved

[rotund oak]

mr Whispyr sir,we go by obedience with 1 leggo equipped aight?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[rotund oak]

❤️

[zinc frost]

Like is there anyone who actually wants to talk to the NPCs for the sake of RP for covenant swap?

[obtuse robin]

yea blizz does

[glass tulip]

I was a fool

tempted by weakness

[strange python]

Tettles and dratnos saying sin will be good because downtime

Quick, whispyr, fight em

[obtuse robin]

the classic downtime arguement

[strange python]

Which is worse than ever because of duskwalkers lmfao

[obtuse robin]

well their arguement was that outside of ven they dont mind leaving

[glass tulip]

bruh wowhead really do be log watching ggwow youtube channel

[strange python]

That's just wrong though. You want high uptime even out of vend to get more energy spent for duskwalkers

[obtuse robin]

we wont have dusk for what that list was about

[strange python]

I didn't watch the video but read the wowhead overview. Are they making this for just heroic week? Cause I'm pretty sure a chunk of players will have 4set during mythic week, which makes dusk the play iirc

[glass tulip]

no shot you are getting 4 set during heroic week lol

or during week 3

[balmy condor]

I tried to fight when dratnos said our 4 piece essentially reads “100% more damage during vendetta” and was talking about how strong the burst is

[obtuse robin]

its funny cuz they said the list was not for rwf but alot of it was

[balmy condor]

And I did not get a response

[strange python]

??? With m+ and pvp giving tier you can very easily get 4set pretty early

[fallow otter]

Token funnel, ezclap

[glass tulip]

+1 piece from vault pog

to get 3 raid drops would be very lucky is what im saying

[strange python]

Not with the way they're doing tier drops

[spice spire]

[strange python]

Assuming you clear normal and heroic week 1 that's a lot of tier gear going out

[glass tulip]

im not arguing over it, I get what youre saying

but yeah I just disagree

[strange python]

Disagreeing with numbers is interesting but okay

[grim tangle]

how many guilds killed heroic sylvs week 1

[glass tulip]

1 token per 10 raiders, no?

[strange python]

A lot once they realized you just dropped down to 15 players

[balmy condor]

Like 120? I think?

[strange python]

Because of the veil bug

[balmy condor]

Something around there

[glass tulip]

2 tokens, it has to be a rogue, monk, or warrior you have to get 3 of them + a vault drop
that is a lot to ask in 1-2 weeks is all I am saying

[strange python]

Pretty sure it was said to be 3 pieces per 20

[drifting cloud]

2 per 20 I thought?

[strange python]

How many bosses drop it? 5?

[spice spire]

Yeah but you also only have 3 bosses that drop tier this coming week

[glass tulip]

week 1, 3 bosses

[spice spire]

Is something else to think about

[strange python]

6 on both difficulties

[obtuse robin]

huh idk bob

[strange python]

I think it's extremely pessimistic to think that a good chunk of players won't have 4set by mythic week 2. Their argument makes no sense outside of a rwf context.

12 pieces week 1, whatever you get from vault, same thing second week, and whatever you get in mythic, is already decent tier set proliferation

[obtuse robin]

is mythic w2 early?

[spice spire]

12 pieces among 20 raiders

Seems hopeful

[strange python]

Right. Per week.

And a lot will get a piece from vault if they're capping pvp and m+

[glass tulip]

so in terms of probability you are talking about a 1/10 drop chance, a 1/4 chance that its a token eligible to be looted by you i.e. the correct armor type, and that if it isn't personal loot that that player can trade it to you. Even multiplied by 6 that is a pretty rare chance

[strange python]

If you do nothing but heroic and normal without the last three for the first two weeks, you're looking at 24 pieces among 20 raiders without vault. Many will have last 3 down early in week 2.

[glass tulip]

so on average every player will have 1

at the end of heroic week

[strange python]

I think you're drastically under counting vault.

9 more shots at a piece

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s 36/20 (not assuming vault) so the average would be 1.8 per person after clearing heroic mythic week

[strange python]

For each raider

[spice spire]

Out of how many possible drops tho

[strange python]

And that's all before you set foot into mythic or kill the last 3

Idk, too lazy to math out the vault chances, but I've gotta imagine 30-50% of players will see a tier piece in there

[glass tulip]

if you have a completely full great vault there is a 43% chance you get one, based on the research they did on PTR, which may be inaccurate

[strange python]

Add in last 3 and the fact that 99% of players won't be making any meaningful mythic progress until week 3?

Even in HoF

[obtuse robin]

50 % of players will see a tp in fault

huh

[strange python]

Week 1 of mythic is always the easy bosses and reclearing heroic/normal

[spice spire]

Wait, you’re saying by week 3? That’s way different, I thought this was a week 2 argument

[glass tulip]

could be either 43% or 62%

and is apparently boosted by killing a boss with a tier drop

so to be fair, 50% is an okay estimate

[strange python]

I'm saying the dratnos/tettles argument that sin is valuable because DoWnTiMe cannot possibly be because it's excluding 4set. The only way that ever makes sense is for RWF, and they clearly aren't talking about RWF

Sin has a huge argument for needing near-enh uptime with duskwalkers

[spice spire]

The second I saw the names, I disregarded the rest

[strange python]

I mean sure

But I'm bored

There's nothing to do this week

[spice spire]

Don’t ever take them seriously is the easy way out here

[obtuse robin]

but they did mention sin for rwf

for that exact reason

downtime

[spice spire]

Kill rares 😡

[strange python]

But their actual reasoning for specs uses all kinds of non-rwf logic. Like focusing on tier set for every other specs

[strange python]

I'm at 4500 rep. I've been doing em

[spice spire]

Good

Because that’s all you can do this week

[strange python]

They can't really make the argument that sin is okay with downtime, because that argument inherently implies you're not using dusk, while simultaneously saying fury and demo are OP because of set.

Side note: real tired of rogue borrowed powers getting nerfed for being outside the desired range but then fury and balance being allowed to exist

[glass tulip]

20 man raid team
Week 1 - heroic 8/11 clear: 6 pieces (3 bosses x 2 drops per boss)
Week 1 - normal 8/11 clear: 6 pieces (3 bosses x 2 drops per boss)
Week 1 - vault chance: 10 pieces (~50% chance at tier drop from a 9 slot vault)

Week 1 average: 1 piece per raider.

Week 2 - heroic 11/11 clear: 10 pieces (5 bosses x 2 drops per boss)
Week 2 - normal 11/11 clear: 10 pieces (5 bosses x 2 drops per boss)
Week 2 - vault chance: 10 pieces (~50% chance at tier drop from a 9 slot vault)

Week 2 average: 2-3 pieces per raider

[obtuse robin]

they can say that tho