assassination

[frigid kestrel]

🪦

[stray mural]

Rip massive crits and massive absorbs

[limber lion]

Good

Fuck that shit

[slow marsh]

tru

[oak sky]

Winds is dead 🦀

[late birch]

Cev, can you send me your assa sim please sir

[limber lion]

sure but why

[late birch]

Just looking for a general direction. I know to sim everything

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5EdajAASkbJ9xLkAqFwgWH

here's my current setup

less than 10k dps

[late birch]

we outchea

btw is just the dom sets disabled or all the shards?

[limber lion]

everything

[late birch]

ahyt, you can always go do torghast to experience it again 🙂

[viscid spear]

Torghast

[cerulean nest]

simming sub 10k is tight

im loving it

[late birch]

Wait, you get an extra 100 dps choosing MFD over vigor?

[bleak sky]

just sim as sub

[limber lion]

With Obedience, yes

[stray mural]

Not Assa related, but can you do keys this week for loot next week??

[limber lion]

I mean

You can do keys to get loot next week, sure

but it will be of season 2 ilvl

You only get season 3 gear from GV in 2 weeks

[stray mural]

But do I get a 15

[strange python]

Only real reason for key this week is to do a 20

[limber lion]

You get a +15 key if you do a +20 key this week

[strange python]

Keys usually lower by 5 each season

[limber lion]

but you get 252 ilvl gear

[stray mural]

Okay cool.

Doesn’t matter I just don’t want to grind for a 15 early on when I can slam 20’s as I am

[limber lion]

Actually let me resim

I can get 10k

[vestal wren]

10k 👀

[hollow river]

Was 3 this season

[strange python]

Prob wanna drop a lot of crit

[hollow river]

We don’t know exactly how many they will drop going into 9.2 but a +20 just cements your chances

[late birch]

Countermeasure still better than Phial or ocular even without set?

[limber lion]

yeh, that was an old profile that I used a few weeks ago

gonna resim with new stuff and gems

[limber lion]

Phial is bad, Countermeasure good.

I mean, Phial is barely still the bis trinket most likely but Countermeasure is close.

[late birch]

Never did any Legion TW since it was so late into tier D:

[limber lion]

But only at max ilvl

246 phial is garbage

[late birch]

ah ahyt

[strange python]

I'm so bored of the new zone already

[stray mural]

I missed legion timewalking gigacringe

[stray mural]

Unlock as much quality of life as possible, that gets me going

[strange python]

P much done

[stray mural]

Nice

[late birch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nyfMfg2SaSbL7MYQwkyt2g

[strange python]

I'm at 1k into friendly

[late birch]

so close

[stray mural]

I guess get a key done and chill

[strange python]

I hate the pace of new content with patches. The whole week of nothing always sucks

[misty holly]

This week is very important for getting addons sorted.

[vale marten]

are shard disabled in raid aswell now?

[misty holly]

I would hate to be raiding day 1 with half my addons broken lol

[limber lion]

double dagger havers

[late birch]

git gud

[limber lion]

[late birch]

actually got my second dagger this vault xD

[limber lion]

got 0 Sire daggers

and only 1 Sylv dagger

good game.

[strange python]

They could at least make the new zones unlock faster

No reason Forge takes so long to research

[late birch]

pepehands, from all the reclears it never dropped once from the boss

[tropic echo]

do I still have to do the korthia covenant stuff if i didnt play any of 9.1?

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oACq3Ra3Su3b5okt7dBEZb
okay 10k is just a dream

unluck

[stray mural]

Yeah addon devs love week 1

Everyone else not so much

[late birch]

damn so close

pretty high though damn

That legion ring sims higher than sylvanas ring

[limber lion]

Yeh

[late birch]

Btw, how do you generally play MFD? might try it out

[limber lion]

You use it on cooldown at 0CP, always saving one use for every Flag window.

[late birch]

oh ye forgot flag is now like 1 min cd with leggo

thats huge

[limber lion]

Yeah the rule stands even without Obedience

[late birch]

ah oke

[delicate smelt]

for new lego, stats are still same? Crit/Haste?

[limber lion]

Yes

[delicate smelt]

ty

[hollow river]

You can also get free resets off any adds that die. For free finishers.

It gains some extra value on basically every fight with adds.

[late birch]

yep

pretty huge

btw idk if im doing something wrong, but my sim is using MFD like before the 1 min CD

[limber lion]

MFD has a 30 second cooldown on Assa

so you can use it once between Flag casts

[late birch]

HOL UP

[limber lion]

(if using Obedience)

[late birch]

didnt even know that

[limber lion]

lel

[late birch]

Will most of it land in shiv window?

[limber lion]

can do

[late birch]

dude MFD feels so goo

good

can get flag to like 29 stacks

[balmy condor]

incorrect

[late birch]

i am? O.o

[balmy condor]

mfd is a trash ass ability I hate using it

[late birch]

Ive been hitting a dummy for 2 minutes so i might be wrong ye

ROFL

I've seen Cev use it in his Shriekwing pugs and thought to myself "this fucking idiot"

and then he casually tops meters

[balmy condor]

mfd and winds, the two things that made me never play sin in 9.1

[bleak sky]

who'd win

[balmy condor]

will prog sub until 4 piece so I don't have to play mfd

[late birch]

but but but

[bleak sky]

1 tsundere boi vs mfd

place your bets

[balmy condor]

mfd dead with tier

I have already won

[bleak sky]

are you reaaaaally playing sin tho

[balmy condor]

I will be

yes

I played sin all of yesterday

[bleak sky]

I still don't know if I want to sin or sub

don't have monies to play both

[hollow river]

Until the hidden gains are found once again

[balmy condor]

giga doubt

[hollow river]

I’ll do everything in my power

Which ain’t much 🙃

[balmy condor]

its close on necro

but its like a full % behind on fae

[limber lion]

Yeah, I enjoy MFD a lot as well

especially on single target and cleave fights

it's pretty trash on aoe fights with frequent add waves

my boomer hands and brain can't deal with it

[late birch]

lol im going to have to get used to it because I hate having to line up shit

[cerulean nest]

272ilvl IQD simming negative for me

is that correct? lol

[slow marsh]

I think mfd also gets used as prepull snd for necro and fae as opposed to having actual value for venth

[slow marsh]

My sub is only +200 over my tenative sin prog setup so i'm struggling too

I think sin 2p is > sub 2p so feeling i'll just stick with sin

[limber lion]

Push is currently simming like 1k more than me

[gusty mirage]

just play both

[limber lion]

such is the life of a sad assa boy

[slow marsh]

If I had a 2nd mythic dagger then it'd be a diff story i'm sure

[gusty mirage]

just loot the dagger

[limber lion]

yeh

just get it

0 Sire daggers, 1 Sylv dagger

[cerulean nest]

does anyone actually plan on farming mythic sylv this tier or is that a meme

[bleak sky]

selling mounts is a thing

[cerulean nest]

I mean for dagger specifically lol

[winter gale]

Evening. May I ask, is Subtlety far ahead of Assassination? I would like to stay Assassin but as only rogue in roster I guess Im supposed to play what is the best spec at the moment.

I read some stuff that says assa is still good but sub is shining.

[zinc frost]

At the moment it’s a pretty decent gap

But will level out a bit better when 4pc and double Lego comes in

[bleak sky]

sub is 1.3k ahead of my sin

[slow marsh]

must be nice

[winter gale]

Alot

I guess I will start as sub then and switch back if possible.

[slow marsh]

Oh I'm not simming with WF I wonder if that would push sub further ahead

[kindred rapids]

I feel like sub is looking much stronger atm

problem is I need to learn how to play it

[bleak sky]

play kyrian and dance 24/7

[kindred rapids]

My first attempt was not so great https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HBmhyV4DWrY7tbaX#fight=1&type=damage-done

actually really easy to overcap dance charges when you're funneling

[tropic echo]

i need advice

i have 235 doomblade from nathria still, should i bother to craft a low ilvl obediance for early on or use what i have until double leggo/tier?

[viscid spear]

they made fun of my dance
So I danced on their graves

[balmy condor]

depends entirely on your gold, how much you're optimizing, and how hard your guild is pushing

is a 235 doomblade "good enough" for most people early on? probably

[viscid spear]

I wouldn't worry too much, just go hard once you can double leggo

[balmy condor]

is it a damage loss over even just a higher ilvl doomblade? yes
is doomblade worse than other legendaries? yes

[tropic echo]

can i farm soul ash without a limit to make a same or higher ilvl obediance? money isn't rly an issue

[balmy condor]

yeah ash and cinders are uncapped

just stealth through to the bosses on layer 9 for about 4-5 runs

should be more than enough

[tropic echo]

my guild tends to be pretty weak so any amount of optimizing i can do in the next week would be ideal, especially since im starting from almost scratch not having touched 9.1

well thats exaggerating a bit xd im like 221

[balmy condor]

the most optimal damage is 262 obed until unity, then unity with dashing until tier, then unity and duskwalkers

[viscid spear]

[bleak sky]

tfw already dusted my dashing

🥶

[viscid spear]

Oh yeah, I should do that

[tropic echo]

have no clue what sepsis even does xd, haven't done any cov other than venthyr

[fleet anchor]

fwiw, for most people who are full-time raiding all difficulties the current projections have the average folks getting 4pc and double legendary both around week 5

So may not really need too much of a gap between those two setups, if at all

[viscid spear]

Should definitely get a feel for it

[tropic echo]

i was thinking about just crafting a 262 duskwalker and running with that as night fae but that would probably just stunt progression

(maybe)

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693661973065236550/945846868913582110/caption.gif

[sinful flicker]

sepsis in torghast is nuts

[hollow escarp]

so is fleshcraft

[fleet anchor]

Always has been

Explosive trait has always been broken af lol

[tropic echo]

so should I just get my venthyr rep to 54 and then switch to night fae whenever im doing anything that isn't raid/m+?

idk how easy covenant grinding is nowadays

[minor anchor]

You can farm layer 9 torghast with a decent renown chance pretty fast if you stealth past everything

[tropic echo]

gotcha

dont you instantly get 40 in other covenants if you hit 80 in one?

[winter vapor]

500g item from vendor in orbis

next to FP

[indigo ginkgo]

so they nerf phial why _

[balmy condor]

because it was stupid strong

things that are very strong tend to get nerfed

because that's how balancing works

[indigo ginkgo]

corret

[brazen zodiac]

yes correct

its lame having a trinket be bis for the entire xpac

[lyric crater]

so there no hope of them fixing deathspike it just be a aoe tool

[hollow river]

It was fixed

But also yes

[lyric crater]

my fixing i mean it increase damage some how guesss not

[hollow river]

And now every class in the game wants the same trinket...

[cyan kite]

Isn't phial still considered bis even after the Nerf?

[brazen zodiac]

no way

[cyan kite]

Or did iqd take over

[brazen zodiac]

and yeah trinkz, what trinket?

[hollow river]

Iqd

[brazen zodiac]

hell yeah iqd?

[cyan kite]

[hollow river]

Idk I’m just guessing

[brazen zodiac]

that funny trinket rad af

was just about to resim the trinkets too. in terms of sod, nothing for us really changed yeah?

last night to try to get CE

[hollow river]

If you have Faulty and mythic Amp that’s likely bis now

[brazen zodiac]

nope

but i have dreams and aspirations!

[hollow river]

Gl tonight

[spark scaffold]

Iqd 3 min fits the night fae pattern pretty well

[hollow river]

🤮

[spark scaffold]

Its fairy time

[viscid spear]

Oh, I must've wandered into the Paladin Discord

[lyric crater]

no u didnt rogue core is now fae core

it u play fae for damage or play one u like the most

[viscid spear]

[lyric crater]

what they should do but they wont is make deathspike to increase the dot damage or make the target take more damage form sbs by 25% or some thing but that wish full thing

[cerulean junco]

Think I’m still down with spike giving small amount of energy per spiked target

ST gain. Very minimal effect on cleave

Make assassin the goat in 2-3 target

[fleet copper]

is there a comparison between rogue specs for 9.2? I can see a sub table but wanting to review all

[glass tulip]

I don't think there are any direct comparisons but there are extensive sims in the pins here

[fleet copper]

so it looks like sub kyr is ahead slightly on ST over assasin fae

[glass tulip]

#assassination message

[fleet copper]

cheers, pretty much what I got from looking at the two sims sheets also

[cerulean nest]

lol the jailer gaunlet level 4 just has 5 guys spamming fear

great

[brave moth]

Whats there to gain from the jailers gauntlet?

[fading elbow]

Resources for legos and a mount for completing layer 4

[glass tulip]

title for layer 3

but yeah tons of leggo resources

[slow marsh]

the mount is sick. very worth imo

[brave moth]

Is it old leggo mats or this new cosmic flux stuff?

And can we expect to see more quests in zereth mortis b4 next reset?

[glass tulip]

To go rank 6 -> 7 you only need cosmic flux, but to craft a second legendary item you'll need 5150 ash / 1640 cinders
and no, unless something was bugged with a side quest line and it is hotfixed nothing new will come out until next week

for now just dailies and world quests

[strange silo]

if a target survives sepsis we wanna use ambush or no?

[hollow river]

ye

[storm forum]

does whispyr make the simcraft profiles?

[glass tulip]

Him as well as fuu for sub, not sure who does outlaw

probably guy

[storm forum]

cool, thanks

[hidden bloom]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[hidden bloom]

what is our best cov?

venthyr now, and nf after 4p?

[glass tulip]

its in the pinned messages

but yes, that is generally correct

[hidden bloom]

ok, ty

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

I did sin and sub the last tiers, but only sin this time I think, koji does the outlaw stuff, mystler did sub in the past but I think fuu’s doing it this time

Koji’s sort of the only outlaw TC

Loktark’s coming back

But I don’t think he’s gonna do active TC stuff

[mental dune]

With us being NF, does the DW seed and cheat death talent cancel each other out? Or do we get two cheat deaths

[glass tulip]

sometimes they both happen at the same time

[hollow escarp]

if the damage is huge

[brazen zodiac]

sup

[cerulean nest]

gotta say

boss rush torghast was actually fun

[mental dune]

So would it be better running leech instead?

[glass tulip]

I think someone said that Koji did that for most of this tier

so it depends, because iirc seed doesnt reset after each pull

and how often you are proccing cheat death

[fleet anchor]

I definitely ran Leeching Poison or Elusiveness on some fights when I was playing Necrolord and I knew it was buggy on those fights (triggered at the same time) or fights where Cheat was just straight bugged anyway

But it's a case-by-case basis

Cheat was much more useful in SoD than in CN

[still pewter]

Is blood fang not good with tier set?

[fleet anchor]

Cheat was just almost totally useless in CN

[balmy condor]

Bloodfang is not good with anything

Just a trash legendary all around

[viscid spear]

Ironic considering the set with the same name is one of the most popular mog options

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

No one use Nightslayer, lol

[slow marsh]

When tbc classic was still a thing I thought about doing a gross tbc bis mog with all the random crap but it was too much effort

[viscid spear]

The good ol' days of looking like a unicorn threw up on you.

[slow marsh]

Pretty much

[obsidian socket]

hey where is the spreadsheet of best spec in st mt /best cov etc?

[mint valve]

are we using obedience as the single lege until we get 2?

[obsidian socket]

found it, im dum

[spice spire]

If you’re venthyr yes

[mint valve]

what do you guys think sub vs assa in the raid?

[spice spire]

Numerically there’s a 500 dps difference at the top@level based on current sims

Whatever you’re comfortable with will be fine.

Outlaw seems to need some love though

[glass tulip]

subpar and ass

[balmy condor]

[mint valve]

Will sub 2-4 target still suck?

I know right now it’s pretty bad

[glass tulip]

I won't take it back until I dont have to farm legion items as bis

[mint valve]

Sorry

Wrong channel to ask that

😂😂

[glass tulip]

go ask their channel lol

[mint valve]

I realized

Which channel I was in haha

[spice spire]

Gl mister Jon.
If I were not an OTP, I’d just answer 😛

[mint valve]

OTP?

Oh

Pony

Got it

😂

[balmy condor]

Dw about it, sub cleave it looking acceptable on sub

Not really anything crazy

But it’s okay

[viscid spear]

Frost Mage subsection is losing their shit over the Frost Orb CDR nerf

[mint valve]

LOOOL at least I’m not in the wrong discord ^^^

😂

[balmy condor]

Tier set helps their cleave a lot

But it goes from no damage to some damage

[spice spire]

No more infinite orb

[viscid spear]

They also nerfed the damage of Orb and Blizzard a bit

They did nerf Icy Propulsion but reverted it supposedly

[spice spire]

They did

Ash enjoying his favorite discord while running mage dailies because of an EVIL TYRANNICAL officer in his guild

[slow marsh]

Rip

[viscid spear]

And because they reverted the IP nerf they nerfed the two spells more

So lots of people are whining and moaning about having to switch to Fire

Meanwhile I'm just

[glass tulip]

mythic+ question: ordinarily if you dont run a key for a week you still get -1 key level out of your vault the next week right?

[spice spire]

Yes

[glass tulip]

so if I dont run this week I will just get -4 next week

[spice spire]

Iirc you’ll still have to run one this week

[glass tulip]

(s)pain

[slow marsh]

If you ran a 20 last week you should be fine

Since it's only 18/19 this week

But I wouldn't risk it imo

[glass tulip]

I have a 24 in my bags

[spice spire]

Send that puppy to like a 23 and try a 20 next week, it’s free

[slow marsh]

There's also helping guildies get theirs done since we're such ballers

[viscid spear]

[glass tulip]

my guild is dead, they dont do shit lol

not really but theyre just offline til next week p much

[slow marsh]

Well then f

[hollow river]

if they're only increasing scaling by +3 it'll actually be a cake walk to get our conduits after we have tier+2x leggo

[spice spire]

Ash do you need a key for either this week, btw?

Me help

[viscid spear]

idk

[slow marsh]

Daddy Quakewar to the rescue

[spice spire]

Nah quakewar got his key tonight

Makeitquake still needs his 15

[brazen zodiac]

hi

[spice spire]

Sup vita

[viscid spear]

Mage is only 1700, slow crawl

[glass tulip]

@balmy condor you got a feature in max's raid tier list? 🤣

[balmy condor]

Yes

I did the rogue rankings

[glass tulip]

at least we know one class had accurate rankings

[balmy condor]

I got a lot of flak for putting outlaw in B and not C

[glass tulip]

in the b hole

[glad garden]

Whisp did what you thought come to happen about nightfae being the strongest after this patch?

[balmy condor]

I feel like I just had a stroke sorry what

[slow marsh]

[glad garden]

last time we talked i was about to swap to venthyr but you talked me out of it and said wait til this patch bc you thought nightfae was gonna be stronger lol

[balmy condor]

Yes

There’s a pin with my spreadsheet

You can see the values there

Fae is the strongest in 9.2 for single target

[glad garden]

very nice i clicked on the sin faq but was a old one

i'll check the new one

[balmy condor]

Hm

Should be the same link

Yeah link works for me

[glad garden]

i prob. just didn't know the link was updated as i seen the 9/1 date and venthyr showing on top so thought it was old.

[balmy condor]

Yeah there’s a tab with 9.2 sims

Should be the first page on the spreadsheet

[glad garden]

im in the oinned messages now checking it out

pinned*

damn those doomblade gloves they will be with me forever XD

[slow marsh]

We will all be privy to our Necro overlords soon enough

[glad garden]

LIES You will bow down to your fairy god parents and like it

[balmy condor]

Hopefully not once you get your 4 piece

That would be troll as fuck

[glad garden]

lol yeah the 4 piece will save me

[slow marsh]

I'm playing unity + toxic blade idgaf

I'll still get 99s too

[balmy condor]

Abusing yoppa tech?

[slow marsh]

[glad garden]

oh just noticed it's going on back now

not gloves for doom

[oak sky]

which ones better at start whispyr

doomblade or dashing

not making obe

[slow marsh]

Doom

[oak sky]

im a lazy mf

[slow marsh]

I'm not whispyr tho

[glass tulip]

oh I just got to the part where tettles goes "who the fuck put outlaw that high"

[balmy condor]

Why do you clowns like doomblade so much

When it’s such a mid ass legendary

[muted ivy]

Bleeds

[balmy condor]

It’s not 9.0.5 anymore

Let go

You cringe idiots

[slow marsh]

Cuz it's better than dashing

[oak sky]

its a fine leggo

[balmy condor]

According to what

[oak sky]

but its no different from the others

[slow marsh]

According to Sim

[glass tulip]

oh boy I cant wait to log on and play kyrian ds sin in the raid next week :)

[oak sky]

im just not spending for 262 one

obe

or right stats obe

[glass tulip]

I have 2 lol, one for sin and 1 for sub

[oak sky]

saving for big duskies

[glass tulip]

lemme send it over

[balmy condor]

None of my sims

Mythic week sims are all obed/dashing

Double legendary sims have dashing over doom in 3/4 covenants and equal on the 4th

What sims are you looking at

Would be very interested

[slow marsh]

Well that's fine but my Sims have obedience first then doom for now so idk what to tell ya

[glass tulip]

fix your profile

[slow marsh]

Yeah I guess

[glad garden]

I might have missed it in the 9.2 pinned post but was their a change in which covenent person to choose in nightfae or is it still Nya and no changes,

[oak sky]

dreamweaver

[glad garden]

dream you say

[balmy condor]

Link

[slow marsh]

Working on it already

[glad garden]

@oak sky What made dreamweaver stronger this time around?

[oak sky]

capstone

[glad garden]

got a link i can check out which order to go on his

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Wowhead is updated

:)

[glad garden]

awesome

ty

damn you updated it that quick O.o

beast

[balmy condor]

Deadline was 2 days before patch

[glad garden]

shouldn't surprise me you work you butt off on this stuff

[balmy condor]

Method/wowhead guides kinda out of my power

They tell me when it needs to be updated by

And it gets done by then

[glad garden]

speaking of method are they still around after that craziness last year. Hopefully they regrouped with the right people and got stronger

[balmy condor]

They rebuilt yes

[slow marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/44zBNGvuMGsiEA9Y4MCLeF

[balmy condor]

2 dps

[slow marsh]

Hey that's 2 dps tho

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna tilt

[slow marsh]

[glass tulip]

its better

numerically

cant be argued

[slow marsh]

It becomes 22 dps if you use maim instead of LP

Also CT is 3 dps > PB for obedience nadjia which is what I'm playing

Only -5 from Theo obed

Talk about min-maxing

[glass tulip]

that sounds like absolute shit to play

[rotund oak]

1 month before the real fun begins

[slow marsh]

Meh it's fine to me

I got used to CT for sire so it's not bad to me until you bring in 4p kinda

[glad garden]

is their a new requirement i have to unlock to use 260+ leggos over the 235 we already have

[loud light]

we already have 262 legos as of 9.1, rank 7 is 291 but the new vestige recipe is gated behind honored rep and chapter 5 (available week 3)

[glad garden]

sounds good ty

[steep sundial]

is this here from the pinned still up to date? Legendary Choices with 1 Legendary:
Venthyr: Obedience
Night Fae: Doomblade
Necrolord: Doomblade
Kyrian: Dashing Scoundrel
Slot Suggestions: All 3 (Back)

[pearl ingot]

Yes

[reef axle]

We running duskwalker ring in week 1?

[bleak sky]

no

[empty hinge]

Obedience

[reef axle]

Ahh ok would assume that’s over dash

[glass tulip]

that would be correct

[potent dagger]

Do you think we can truely compete with sub Oo

When i read the sims it scare the shit out of me :/

[uneven summit]

the guide does say sharpening stone, is that generally the go to now? I´ve been a oil/phantom fire kinda guy for a while, i know the dmg is minimal but yea

[bleak sky]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[bleak sky]

you can sim the difference

but people do use stones/agi yeah

[frigid kestrel]

Stones an agy pots are just more consistent in raids with no variation

[normal mist]

The raid will be released next week right?

I'm already tired of zenith mortis xD

[spice spire]

Yes

[bleak sky]

gm quake

[spice spire]

GM mister minalba

[uneven summit]

it can´t really be worth doing anything about legendaries right now, but waiting completely untill unity and dusk right?

like crafting dusk at 262 is unecessary, and changing obedience for stats is unecessary

[bleak sky]

yes, just wait

[uneven summit]

aight

[flint siren]

Does the 2nd Bone Spike from Deathspike have any interaction with Kevin / Emeni, or is it just the damage part of it basically?

[strange python]

Hello everyone. Is there a graph or something showing the simmed damage difference between Orcs and Blood Elfs?

[uneven summit]

looks like Sub is gonna be abit stronger early tier with set and shit, or am i looking at it wrong?

[bleak sky]

irrelevant

you can also sim it if you really need to

[spice spire]

Nope you’re correct, sub at max power currently looks to be about 500 dps ahead

[uneven summit]

Yea my personal sims were 9325 on assa and 9927 on sub, looks like HC clears will be in sub 😦

[bleak sky]

Do you enjoy sub?

[uneven summit]

its not too bad, but looking forward to setpiece assa play much more ^^

[bleak sky]

welp then play sin

[uneven summit]

i tried DP/Subt with haste and obedience, holy moly that shit is slow. But then again that build pulls ahead later with tier right

[bleak sky]

haste and obedience?

I mean you're not playing subt/ds until later on in the tier so

[uneven summit]

sims allready now went that direction for me, dunno why tho

[spice spire]

It’s odd that it wouldn’t do mfd

Since you’re running obedience

[uneven summit]

yup

[bleak sky]

link that sim if you still have it

[spice spire]

Do you have a link? I’m in traffic so I’m spotty but mister minalba Is a goat

[bleak sky]

stop discording and driving

[manic pebble]

I want to grind for both sin and sub gears but my free time saying no no

[spice spire]

I’m literally stand still

[bleak sky]

what if it moves

[spice spire]

I literally stop messaging on the spot

[nocturne geode]

🤔

[spice spire]

It’s happened a few times already

Always be on the grustle mister minalba.
And my grustle is helping the homies

[bleak sky]

truly a green name

[uneven summit]

hmm i ran the sim again and now it shows a different picture.. dunno what went "wrong" on the first one

got my assa sim up to 9566

with MA, MFD and obe

more haste and vers though and out with alot of crit

[gusty mirage]

grustle deez

[spice spire]

Present

[solid pulsar]

does anyone know where Interrogator's Vicious Dirk

drops

[hollow river]

#transmog or look it up on wowhead

[solid pulsar]

its a 246 thats part of a 2 set in new zone

and i've checked wowhead

its part of the ripped secrets set

[hollow river]

No idea

[hidden bloom]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[uneven summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4YnbxTVhNnFakTwP1NRUjf

can´t get it higher, damn

[limber lion]

Yeah my sim is around 9.9k. can't break 10k

[alpine latch]

Would you mind linking yours Cev?

[spice spire]

@alpine latch

[alpine latch]

oh okay

ty ty

[echo geyser]

whats the custom apl in that sim?

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/whW4ZGpN2WGihbJTCCAv6j it truly is

I'm going to miss the 71 avoidance on my chest

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

Yeah I got up to 9965 by juicing everything, but that's as high as it goes

[limber lion]

Theotar crit

[spice spire]

My sim is abysmal currently, that’s just quick sim nonsense though. Testing some juice rq

[limber lion]

Yeh my entire setup pretty much changed

Wearing haste-heavy items, gemming haste, double on-use and so on

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

I think theo crit might put me at like

9980

but

[echo geyser]

the heck is sub simming for

[gusty mirage]

10.something

w/ double mythic eons

[slender berry]

im simming 10.5 without wft

[spice spire]

I looked at my upgrades even on normal Sepulcher and oh my

Crit heavy didn’t translate well without frost set

Who could have seen it coming

[mortal pike]

rofl

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

10.8 on my profile

my sin is at 9.6k

[spice spire]

My sin is currently 8.8k

Non dagger havers in shambles rn

[mortal pike]

Mine sin is also at 8.8k

[spice spire]

Only 250ilvl too

[mortal pike]

I just wanted to try a lil' stabbin

[junior rampart]

Oh i was wondering only i was simming less than 9k with 251 ilvl. So it is no sylv dagger effect.

[spice spire]

I mean it’s more than that, yeah?

[junior rampart]

I don't have dagger. Simming around 8.7k.

[spice spire]

I’m running a droptomizer for SoD rn just gonna see circa how much eon brings in mythic

[placid snow]

Playing rogue as an alt! How's sub vs sin looking? Pros/cons?

[junior rampart]

Even for sin, it's almost 600-800 dps increase

[viscid spear]

Play either, it's fine
Just don't play Outlaw

[placid snow]

Yeah I've clocked that haha. Is sin alright in M+? Not been about for a while

[spice spire]

Uh it’s good in m+

But more difficult to play since you’re establishing bleeds and then getting some focus damage

If it’s an alt, and keys are your primary focus, sub may be the better bet

[spice spire]

It’s not that high

But it’s a solid +200ish from 252s

[carmine dawn]

quake has anyone checked this 246 dagger set bonus

[spice spire]

Wat

The dagger with set bonus?

[alpine latch]

Is the set actually in the game?

[carmine dawn]

look in outlaw

[alpine latch]

I know it was datamined but I never saw where it actually came from

[carmine dawn]

wont beat double sylv but maybe for ppl like me with 1 heroic dagger

[spice spire]

I haven’t seen it let me see if I can throw it in a sim of mine rq

[alpine latch]

Ohhh, it's just open world shit

[mortal pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/946448478429642832/unknown.png

[alpine latch]

It doesn't come from bosses

So it's capped at 246 item level

[spice spire]

Yep

[alpine latch]

So unless you're gearing an alt, probably not

[carmine dawn]

sim it against a 252 m+ and heroic sylv

[alpine latch]

I mean, only 1 of the set has even been found

Hopefully we'll all have better next week

[hollow river]

Gimme

[bleak sky]

there's prob some chad with 11k

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/njsZgtCnxqiNv8jTi4cjqQ

[hollow river]

I need to sim my sub without shards

I have very little vers gear

[alpine latch]

Will raidbots automatically disable all Dom Shards in sims now? Or do I need to flat out remove them?

[hollow river]

Need to get some ASAP

[bleak sky]

ya

[alpine latch]

perfect, time to be lazy. lol

[hollow river]

Your boots and legs are the only thing I don’t have I have 252 crit vers ring

I’m 254

Are you sure your individual shards are turned off Minalba?

[spice spire]

This will take a moment as mobile finding info is

[bleak sky]

YEP

[glass tulip]

1k ahead of my best sin sim

[bleak sky]

disabled

[slow marsh]

how

[hollow river]

Sick

[slow marsh]

oh nvm i see

[hollow river]

My sub sim should be quite poggers then

[bleak sky]

sub

[mortal pike]

sub so yucky tho

[bleak sky]

kyrian is very fun to play

venthyr I dont like but kyr is

[mortal pike]

Outlaw

[slow marsh]

im opposite

[mortal pike]

Though I think I might go assa this tier, hence sitting here.

[slow marsh]

if i play sub it'll be venth

[stable pasture]

@bleak sky what do your assas sims look like in comparison?

[slow marsh]

Sin only gets up to 9.8 i think

right now

[echo geyser]

[carmine dawn]

@spice spire sim finished? i wanna know if i gotta go find this other set dagger

[sudden hound]

ive gotten mine to 9.9 but im hard struggling finding anything more
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dCEJErGPfPFQdW5BoLz7Bm

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9DD1RUL17PS3RaBqJvcnb2

big pathetic damage

frost shard carried this so hard

[hollow escarp]

about 9.4 here

[slow marsh]

Yeah seems about right

[bleak sky]

I tried getting sub to 11 but couldn't

[slow marsh]

also most of us are probably hard stacked for crit

[alpine latch]

man, I dropped from 11k to 8.9k. halp!

[hollow escarp]

YEP, even on my sub gear now I have 45% crit

[alpine latch]

Is this the biggest damage loss we've had moving to a new tier since like Cata?

Because it seems like it

[slow marsh]

probably

[hollow escarp]

and since all my legendaries were on cloak, I don't have a normal cloak

[slow marsh]

rip

i had a norm cloak because of RC thankfully

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

well a 252 haste cloak

[alpine latch]

I got my first 252 cloak last Tuesday

[hollow escarp]

[echo geyser]

[umbral tulip]

[echo geyser]

i guess u never bothered to take a cloak from vault either

u can get 246 from m+ at least

[hollow escarp]

I probably had a cloak on vault at least a few times

[umbral tulip]

We killed mythic sylv like 10 times and our hunter never got the bow at any ilvl guess he will farm it in 3 xpacs

[hollow escarp]

ohh, I recognized your name

pugged with your guild first week of 2022

[umbral tulip]

ah yes dude

I remember you had the counter measure and ring from legion m+ xD

[hollow escarp]

[umbral tulip]

depression was real when I swapped to assa and found out it was like 300 dps upgrade but legion m+ was gone

[hollow escarp]

should be back in march

but I'm not sure if countermeasure is still that good

maybe the autoattack ring

also valor being capped might not be that great for farming +2s

[umbral tulip]

ye counter measure was hard carried by the frost set I guess

might still be good though but not as good I would imagine

[spice spire]

You can run it through droptomizer currently

@carmine dawn I’m an idiot and that took way longer than intended

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qNAW8a9XZA9wzkrkvtTJuX

-136 from 252s

If you need the import string I can send them your way for your comparison, or I can just sim you

Either way

[umbral tulip]

true, good point 😅

[spice spire]

I’m running it on my pretty weak rogue currently - should be done momentarily doing a full upgrade first and seeing where it shakes out compared to phial (which is still simming as my best upgrade despite the nerf )

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bjmmMkaPhHCdKypycizpXF

About a 2.5% upgrade

[carmine dawn]

im confused

hold up

[spice spire]

While a max level phial is still a 4.4% upgrade

[spice spire]

Yeah?

[carmine dawn]

oh nvm i understand

[bleak sky]

no you're jake

[spice spire]

Oh yeah current equipped was CT

That’s why it showed +15 for that + PB

[carmine dawn]

yeah i figured it wouldnt be better but ill take anything i can get after my vault rng

[spice spire]

Yeah can’t blame you

But like I said mine are 252s, if you have worse, you can just send me your profile and I’ll add, or send you the string for both

I’m stupid and tried doing it hard mode

[carmine dawn]

i mean 252 / Hsylv is better than off 252

so if its worse than that

[spice spire]

Yeah

[carmine dawn]

why does this WA have ZM WB listed

is there a ZM WB

[spice spire]

Yes

It’s just not available this week

[warm drift]

so much haste now

[viscid spear]

You want chest or boots that bad?

[bleak sky]

what's WB?

[spice spire]

World boss

[bleak sky]

OH

yeah next week Sadge

[spice spire]

I mean

WB deez nuts

Or whatever the kids say

[carmine dawn]

what

[bleak sky]

shit you got me good

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Why you want WB so bad, bro

[gusty mirage]

anyone enjoying all this GREAT 9.2 content we're getting?

2 hours of questing, 2 dailies and 2 WQ?

isn't it so action packed?

[viscid spear]

Seven hours of fishing

[bleak sky]

new pfp who dis

[spice spire]

Oh they’re mastery infused

[gusty mirage]

tryin to get you to slide into my DMs

still nothin

[bleak sky]

damn you a fine piece of art tf oxi

[spice spire]

World boss still bad gear

[gusty mirage]

why is the quality of this emote from 1994

[spice spire]

Belongs with

[viscid spear]

Emotes in Ultra 4k HD when?

[carmine dawn]

war brigs are great for pillys dude. 16 cannons, can easily go after xebecs and merchant brigs

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

[carmine dawn]

no puzzle pirates gamers?

[glad narwhal]

Hey - thinking of swapping from WW to Rogue for 9.2. I appreciate you guys gonna be biased but we thinking that's a good idea? Is Sin the way to go for 9.2?

[limber lion]

Anything's fine.

Really depends on what you're aiming for and what you want to do.

If you're playing casually, you can play any spec in the game.

[spice spire]

If you’re looking solely for max raid damage, sub seems best, but you’d need a mythic dagger OH.
And even then the disparity isn’t that great, like Cev said. Depends on your level of playing

[slow marsh]

Play what you like will always be best

[gusty mirage]

I mean, you don't NEED one

it just helps a lot

[glad narwhal]

Casual mythic raiding. Reason I'm thinking about Rogue over WW is just being able to be more valuable in majority of the fights in 9.2 as it doesn't look like SOD 1m AOE fights but more valuable ST fights.

[brazen zodiac]

hi

[limber lion]

That's fine. So long as you start practicing early enough.

[spice spire]

Oh yeah, then any of them work

[limber lion]

All specs are fine for casual mythic raiding, but you probs don't want to sandbag your team.

[glad narwhal]

I did my mage tower so I'm not a complete scrub. 😛

[slow marsh]

Yeah just play what you like then. IMO kyrian WW will be fineish still so don't feel pressured but if you really want to play rogue then 👍

[limber lion]

Sin is definitely a better choice than Monk, most likely, but only if you know how to play both well.

If you play Monk super well and sin poorly, there's not much point changing

But yeah, give it a shot

No harm in it

[viscid spear]

[glad narwhal]

I'd probably say I'm a better Monk than Rogue.

[gusty mirage]

all? 👀

[limber lion]

Yes.

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-sad-raining-pirate-gif-15903155

[limber lion]

Every single spec in the game.

Does not matter

[gusty mirage]

this is outlaw rn, renewed hope by their savior Cev

[limber lion]

If you're casually doing mythic raiding, you can play a DPS Mistweaver monk

[gusty mirage]

bring back real fistweaving

[glass tulip]

You cant tmog daggers into swords

[slow marsh]

Yo good MWs are gonna slap tho

[slow marsh]

yeah i wish

i want fist + dagger vibes as sin

[glass tulip]

I got the golden lightsaber and its perfect

but daggers

[clever kindle]

did anyone do sims on the 246 set daggers vs 252s by chance

[echo geyser]

where do u get the mainhand

[clever kindle]

good question, to wowhead

[spice spire]

Yes

[echo geyser]

i got the offhand from general zara

[spice spire]

Here

-136 from 252s

[clever kindle]

For those of us cursed with eternal dagger unluckiness

damn

[spice spire]

My own profile is jank

But I suspect you’ll see similar results no matter what

The neater implication

[clever kindle]

Yeah might give it a look just to see

[spice spire]

Is that these are shoutouts to the tormentors of 9.1

Do you need the strings ryu?

I can send them your way

[clever kindle]

if you have them would be appreciated

[spice spire]

One moment

[clever kindle]

Thanks bud

[viscid spear]

Jailer's Gauntlet is interesting as Rogue, no time to restealth

[glass tulip]

you can vanish and chill

but I couldnt get past layer 4, they hit too hard

I got to like 5% on one wave and then died so everything reset and it spawn a boss wave so it took too long and the tarragrue came in

[rotund oak]

Go Kyrian,make ur life easier 😛

Kyrian is omegastrong in gauntlet

[glass tulip]

mm true I forgot the echoing rep was broken

[rotund oak]

yeah,it hits for couple of millions 😄

spamable

if u have resounding clarity

[mortal pike]

cant get over 9.2k in assa gear

[alpine latch]

I'm 8.9k

[clever kindle]

Obedience loses me 2 dps over dashing

without shards being accounted for

small brain fart

was just poking around, this is unoptimized because im not home so dont actually have my bag gear available

[spice spire]

Same here lol

But yeah it seems to be a bit of a loss

[limber lion]

Obedience is a bunch better for me

Like over 100 dps

[clever kindle]

might just be related to stat distribution then

havent had access to much if any of the 259 gear(killed KT once and are kinda closeish on sylvanas though obv tonight is the last night)

we got just under 55% so.. maybe

[carmine dawn]

quake did a sim its garb

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

Dimensions, pfft

[cerulean nest]

the fact that we cant transmog these new lightsaber swords is very upsetting to me\

[wooden kiln]

Hello guys, just saw that guides tells us to craft leg on ring (Duskwalkers) and Wrist (Fae), is it going to be only for safety if we get head in our early 4set, or does it just sims higher than 4 other set pieces with helm leg?

[balmy condor]

Helm craft is 0.3% better

[glass tulip]

Exactly what you said

[balmy condor]

Basically irrelevant

That’s why wrist is suggested

Doesnt conflict, and it’s just as good

[wooden kiln]

Okay thanks a lot! It's like min-max when we got all set pieces then, I'll just play safety I guess x)

[bleak sky]

how bad is it on gloves whispur

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

not gloves, feet!

[balmy condor]

Bro what is wrong with you

[glass tulip]

feet

[balmy condor]

Also feet have high ilvl

So F

[bleak sky]

sub wants this shit on feet

and I'm just wondnering if it's that bad for sin to have on feet

missing haste but who cares really

[balmy condor]

I can check it again but I’m pretty sure I rolled every slot and it was Helm wrist belt feet

[vestal wren]

slots are fairly close on sub

[bleak sky]

hmmmm

aight wrists then I guess

[clever kindle]

we have ghostblades tho

[rotund oak]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[limber lion]

I'm gonna miss Sylvanas, she was a fun fight after you got her down consistently during farm

[oak sky]

True

But jailer will be sick

And anduin

[limber lion]

I'm the only one with 11k+ p3 damage on Sylv pub log*

without externals

[oak sky]

I was so close dudr

I only started going nadjia again recently and I never got a good lineup cuz of scuffed kills and whatnot

[limber lion]

Really enjoyed pushing for higher p3 damage and a higher overall parse.

[oak sky]

Yeah sylv was fun to parse on

[limber lion]

Hopefully Jailer is fun as well, I have no clue what he does

[oak sky]

My first real 99

[limber lion]

Haven't read up on him at all :P

[limber lion]

Nice! She's a really tough boss to parse on

A lot of people struggle with it

[oak sky]

Im hoping all 3 endbosses are fun and untested

Fun while being untested

I mean

[limber lion]

Yeah, they've done excessive internal testing apparently

[oak sky]

Thats good

[limber lion]

So here's to hoping it's done well

[oak sky]

Idk if u remember but a few months back I told you I wanted to hit a 98 on some bosses in sod as a goal

I came out with a 98 avg

Heres to coming into sepulcher hitting heavy

[viscid spear]

Genn ain't gonna miss her

[limber lion]

Good shit

I'm hoping the external meta dies down a bit

Farm is very enjoyable when you can push for better parses and consistently see improvement in your own play

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

I got kicked out of top 50 all stars because dagger bug

[spice spire]

Filthy abuser

[oak sky]

I would love for externals to die

[limber lion]

Pretty sure I'm the highest non-external assa even with my scuffed Colour parses, so that's fun

[balmy condor]

Was legit 2 fights

[spice spire]

Yeah

[limber lion]

I mean those are beautiful parses anyways

[spice spire]

2 fights too many

[limber lion]

It's okay, only 99's next tier

[mortal pike]

any assa M+ enjoyers in the chat?

[oak sky]

Half the players in top 20ish sin parses are getting giga externals

[spice spire]

Better parses than I.
You’re gaming

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Assa brothers

together

strong

[spice spire]

Plenty

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

It would be so nice to just out juice some fools

[balmy condor]

I can’t compete with external andys

[limber lion]

#believe

[spice spire]

yes you can papa whispyr

I believe

[limber lion]

We'll just find a new bug that the external Andys are gonna start to abuse

and then we'll strike em down

🔨

Still haven't gotten used to this mouse, consistently keep misclicking stuff

I just start using Fan of Knives when I try to garrote

not a good look

[oak sky]

Oof

Most of my mouse binds are defensives so I'm usually chillin

[limber lion]

Yeah, I have my spammable abilities on my mouse and everything else on the keyboard

[oak sky]

Just a different approach

[limber lion]

Yeh, used to get bad pain in my left hand so I had to come up with something else

[oak sky]

That makes sense

My hands are usually ok, wrist rest helps me out a lot

[umbral rapids]

that's hot

[vestal wren]

[glass tulip]

ergo keyboard could be a move

[bleak sky]

ye that's me

[viscid spear]

I enjoy titties more than ass

[bleak sky]

bad take ash tsk tsk

[burnt prism]

is sub better in single or sin

[red plaza]

Yes

[limber lion]

Sub definitely sims more in single target.

[grim tangle]

hopefully we get less external abuse next tier by sin rogues

because getting only 96% parse on guardian while having the 4th highest ethical parse is pretty stupid

[limber lion]

just realized that the second highest parse is a necrolord

with 83.3% crit on winds

[balmy condor]

Necrolord viable

Pog

[spice spire]

Necrolord sin supremacy ;>

[limber lion]

Winds, dead

Externals, dead

[hollow river]

Necrolord, Dream is Alive

[limber lion]

Ngl, I'm hyped to play Necro a bit when I get 4p

Sbs is great fun in raids

[spice spire]

You’re gonna play it with 4p?

Can’t meme me anymore boys

We out here

[limber lion]

The second I get double lego I dib

soo it probs won't last a long time

[spice spire]

Yeah true

[limber lion]

Whispyr out here writing a novel

I'm scared

[spice spire]

I’m thinking 4p+double leggo

[balmy condor]

Necrolord is actually the best covenant just crit your winds and proc your sylv dagger and get externals and cleave off of adds for the reset and Kevin prio damage makes up for lbe doesn’t sim properly and heirmir lines up with vendetta with duskwalkers makes it really good I promise guys where are you going wait no stop don’t leave IT GIVES SO MANY COMBO POINTS ITS GOOD FOR DOWNTIMES CAUSE ITS AN INFINITE DOT AND RANGED

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Bro but fr @balmy condor I think I found an LBE gain

[limber lion]

if only Deathspike wasn't trash in st

[spice spire]

Rework soon don’t worry

[limber lion]

those might be the words that Whispyr dreads the most

[spice spire]

I seriously think he spent a solid 10 hours looking at LBE

It seemed like it anyway

[limber lion]

All you necro fanatics trying to make it work

it's not happening

[balmy condor]

It can never sim the gain on your groups dps

It’s an external

[spice spire]

Wait real

Nah fuck emeni

Real ones hate emeni and love Kevin

[limber lion]

yeh that's why we all play theotar with wasteland