assassination

[novel arrow]

yeah so we 100% skip 1 sepsis vendetta

And every 2nd one lines up

[hollow river]

yeah

[novel arrow]

I'm excited!

this really seems fun

[hollow river]

and you should have shiv for those iirc

there is some hold logic for shiv

[oak sky]

yeah shiv for every vendetta and every sepsis

[hollow river]

you treat shiv as a 30sec CD basically?

[oak sky]

i think vanish just sends with vendetta+shiv every 2mins

[novel arrow]

I'd assume right? Especially with most fights being 4 mins

4 mins to 5 mins

U'd just hold last vendetta to line up everything

[hollow river]

gonna feel weird holding shiv in that way

[novel arrow]

I'm a zug zug. I just press shiv . The most I'd wait is about 10 secs either way before or after.

I'd never shiv like 10 secs before a cd. but if it's 15. I'd just shiv

especially with shiv value now

[oak sky]

its the same hold shiv 12s for vendetta as before but you always hold it for sepsis

wait

i mean

for sepsis

on the 2nd one

[novel arrow]

yeah 100%. But towards the end. With most fights. waiting 10 secs with vendetta doesn't fit in an extra use either way.

[oak sky]

yeah yeah for sure

[novel arrow]

I think as long as I dont ever wait long enough to screw an extra use

I'm pretty happy

[oak sky]

end of the fight is always a little different

[novel arrow]

Yo so can we talk about

NF soul binds.

We dont like nyaa?

[oak sky]

we like dreamweaver

[novel arrow]

I remember a time where we used to love the trap dmg

[hollow river]

dreamweaver ST

[novel arrow]

Sorry I never ever discuss NF because the cov is dead. So I'm catching up

[hollow river]

korayn AoE

[oak sky]

the dreamweaver capstone trait is pretty good for us

i dont think the niya one is very good

[novel arrow]

But that Nyaa haste is up like 60% of the time

I always loved that.

But yes. The dreamweaver 3% is huge .

Koryn is actually so good in pvp.

Just fyi

u constantly have 10% up. I love my girl.

You think we gonna swap off NF for multi target fights?

[oak sky]

mmmm

[novel arrow]

Necro for sure? or 2 - 3 target cleave?

[oak sky]

probably not

[novel arrow]

really ? 😮

OUR BOY SBS!

[oak sky]

problem with necro is deathspike is minimal gain for st

so even in cleave you just lose a lot of overall damage

[bleak sky]

Me, a Necro enjoyer on pantheon

[oak sky]

maybe on pantheon tho

[hollow river]

i mean heroic and first 2 mythic weeks will be good as necro

before double leggo

if you can get tier

[hollow river]

[tight ginkgo]

[balmy condor]

My stream is just illusion breaking

[hollow river]

bahaha

[balmy condor]

Everyone thinks I’m a cute egirl until they see my cam

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

My friend is making vtuber model

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I’ll live out my fantasy of being a 2D egirl

[tight ginkgo]

I was about to say, vtuber when?

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

hi whisp

[hollow river]

pog

[brazen zodiac]

sounds fun can i join

[balmy condor]

No this is my fantasy get out of it

Get your own

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

what if i said i could make ur fantasy come true ?

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

what about being a 3d girl

[brazen zodiac]

?

[balmy condor]

Yuck

[brazen zodiac]

ur all reaching too far

[balmy condor]

Women irl

[brazen zodiac]

what about being a girl zzz

[bleak sky]

true

[balmy condor]

Hate that

[brazen zodiac]

hate em cuz u wanna be em huh

nerd

[bleak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-women-am-i-right-woman-am-i-right-gif-23666905

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

:(

how are u

[balmy condor]

For legal reasons I am only capable of having wet dreams about my gf, and the homies

Not legal to imagine anything else

[brazen zodiac]

damn she tricked u into signing it too huh

them damn women

[balmy condor]

Soul contracts

[brazen zodiac]

told u to read the fine script bro

[tight ginkgo]

"service"

[balmy condor]

My dream threesome though, me, @gusty mirage and @gusty mirage

[brazen zodiac]

?

not cev?1? as well?!!?

[timid cloud]

Pardon.

[balmy condor]

He can watch

[timid cloud]

I guess I’ll just jerk off in the corner.

[balmy condor]

We’ll stream it

Np

[brazen zodiac]

nice nice

hey can u add some music too

[balmy condor]

Yeah “Alexa play magic mike soundtrack 10 hour loop”

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah play "Freebird" or something

[brazen zodiac]

cevs a classical dude have him play the instrument

sounds like a rad episode

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

Only if my heart is the instrument

[brazen zodiac]

sup trix

[hollow river]

👋

[balmy condor]

Trix are for kids

Wait hol up

[brazen zodiac]

if ur heart as an instrument what instrument would it be

[timid cloud]

Tricks are meant for the tank.

[hollow river]

tricks is never meant to be cast

hence no tricks

[timid cloud]

Looks like we gotta make another revision to the guide...

[hollow river]

ever

[balmy condor]

A vuvuzela because it’s annoying and only basic bitches use it

[brazen zodiac]

based

[bleak sky]

vuvuzela

[brazen zodiac]

mine would be the drums played by a metal dude cuz its beating every 32947204 seconds

[bleak sky]

that's something I haven't heard about in a while

[tight ginkgo]

You make my heart go DOOT

[bleak sky]

and I'm glad that shit is gone forever

[balmy condor]

Only one doot? See a doctor man that’s not normal

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[bleak sky]

imagine wanting a specific tank for a 20

[tight ginkgo]

just one long doot

[bleak sky]

i'm salty yes

[balmy condor]

Heart beats are like breathing

You breath in, and then breathe out

Unless you learn how to do circular breathing

And then you just breathe in and out at the same time

And your heart explodes

[bleak sky]

What if I just want to breathe out and never breathe in again

[tight ginkgo]

your raid smells that bad?

[balmy condor]

1-800-273-8255

[bleak sky]

yes there's this stinky rogue with colored hair over there

[balmy condor]

I don’t shower and I did a stinky poopoo

[glass tulip]

my raid stinks because we dont wipe

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen your logs homie why the fuck you lyin

[tight ginkgo]

ahh pre 9.2 chat, i will savor this

[brazen zodiac]

always

[bleak sky]

yeah we don't wipe either, we just smear the shit all over the place

[tight ginkgo]

brown parses

[balmy condor]

Man I gotta start making T28 profiles

But also 4 piece bug

[bleak sky]

did you finish wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

[glass tulip]

method guide?

[balmy condor]

Overview page is done, method guide is done, rest of wowhead guide this week

[bleak sky]

good so how bout having some fun

[tight ginkgo]

yeah like learning to play a neutral milk hotel on acoustic guitar to boost your 90s indie cred

[balmy condor]

Wdym I get paid to ramble about a video game

Isn’t this the fun part

[bleak sky]

yes

[balmy condor]

Wowhead invoice this month is actually going to be fat

Might buy a new phone, I dropped my crappy ass iPhone 8+ and the back shattered last week

[glass tulip]

paid to enjoy the game

[balmy condor]

Time for an upgrade

[tight ginkgo]

are you a No Phone Case enjoyer?

[glass tulip]

would recommend pixel 5, unironically good platform

switched from iphone

[balmy condor]

I used to use a phone case and then It ripped or something idk and I just didn’t bother getting a new one

[balmy condor]

I’m an iPhone simp

I hate mac but I love iOS

[glass tulip]

the newest ones are square again, like the 4/4s was

I actually considered swappng back just for that]

[tight ginkgo]

I'm stubbornly team no-case. Ive only had my phone shatter once. I was going up the stairs to the train and it fell out my pocket and down every single stair.

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’ve dropped my phone plenty of times but this one I was on a ladder fixing a fluorescent in the ceiling in the mechanic aisle, and it fell out of my pocket, fell about 15 feet straight onto uneven concrete

Real unlucky

The one time in like 2 years that I have to get on a ladder and go up that high

And I drop that shit

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah, it is pretty remarkable how drop-resistant phones are otherwise

[jade minnow]

drop-resistant is the new attribute when buying phone

[hollow river]

someone said it was reverted on PTR

i haven't looked myself so idk but

[glass tulip]

yo leak the BiS page when you go finish the guide

[brazen zodiac]

leak whatever ur heart desires ::)

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

is he

is he pissing him.. ??

hold on i gotta get my glasses for this emote

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

[strange python]

Does anyone know where to see Sepulcher guides?

[balmy condor]

not out yet

[fathom swift]

😣

[balmy condor]

it's that time again brother

get ready for making a profile and then having to change the code on 90% of the items to match the naming conventions and guidelines

[fathom swift]

looking forward to every profile using dungeon trinkets cause most of the raid ones don't even work on the ptr, let alone in sims

[balmy condor]

yeah

method guide was like "suggest some trinkets to farm"

me, sitting there, not even knowing what raid trinkets drop or do

[fathom swift]

"tazavesh"

[balmy condor]

idk farm a phial or something

leave me alone

by the time you farm phial from your 90th plaguefall the trinkets will work

maybe

[fathom swift]

also optimizing unity slot...

[balmy condor]

bruh

don't get me started

"where do I craft legendaries"

in.... a slot I guess

crafting in a tier slot is probably a bad idea

"yeah but we only need 4 and there's 5 and chest is high stat so we craft chest later?"

sure?

[fathom swift]

yeah fv is the same

back/chest

[burnt latch]

Craft it in the tier piece slot that has the worst stat budget

[balmy condor]

idk people trying to optimize crafting items they won't have access to for another month and a half

give me giga anxiety

as if having like 7 deadlines coming up to a patch isn't bad enough

[fathom swift]

yeah im glad i only have wowhead (plus reviewing half the melee guides)

[balmy condor]

like the slot really doesn't matter, craft it somewhere

[burnt latch]

Knowing me ill probably end the patch having unity crafted in like 10 slots because the ideal spot changes every time i get a mythic item

[balmy condor]

BuT wHaT iS the BeSt SlOt wHiSpyR

kill me

[ashen scroll]

[burnt latch]

I actually thought about this, and ull probably end up crafting it into a lot of slots if youre trying to min max during early prog

[fathom swift]

I feel like ring will prob end up good for a lot of specs to craft on? guaranteed socket, get to pick best secondaries, only 1 max ilvl one available, can't craft on high budget slots cause tier

[burnt latch]

If you get a mythic item in a legendary slot, means u can just craft unity again in another slot thats heroic ilvl

[balmy condor]

yeah but are there any high ilvl rings off of last boss?

serious question

[fathom swift]

yeah there's 1

[balmy condor]

is it poop stats

[fathom swift]

high mastery/low crit

[balmy condor]

:/

[burnt latch]

Funnel ring for sub

[timid cloud]

BuT wHaT iS the BeSt SlOt wHiSpyR

[balmy condor]

the one you don't pull a giga item out of in you first 3 vaults

is probably the correct answer

[timid cloud]

Wdym, I yoink max level phial every tier now week 2

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

to bad if tazavesh trinkets end up stronger

[timid cloud]

FUCK THE SACK

[balmy condor]

I don't see tazavesh trinkets being that good

numbers atm don't add up

[timid cloud]

This is a mastery haters Discord.

[vestal wren]

i did sim the stat trinket for subtlety and it did beat phial

sack does not seem stronger tho

[timid cloud]

Weird. It does arcane damage & also is mastery weighted with no primary.

Might just be proc chance is high, but I swore they nerfed that too, since it was bugged awhile back, was it not?

[fathom swift]

yeah was the same when I was looking at them, soleahs is giga and sack is not post nerf

[vestal wren]

i mean it is rly easy to sim by just adding those to gear compare

so for what its worth you can already evaluate the dungeon trinkets if you want

[timid cloud]

Then again, Faulty Countermeasure is also a strange trinket.

[vestal wren]

you won't be able to get a upgrade for that very soon

[timid cloud]

Yeah...

Just uncap valor pls...

I know why they don’t, obviously, but it is quite nice.

[vestal wren]

contermeasure is also likely worth a bit less in 9.2 given the loss of the frost set

[drifting cosmos]

thats good news tho, never liked farming that

[vestal wren]

i mean, it could still be powerful, but probably not to the point it was this cycle

[drifting cosmos]

i also dont understand all the legendary best in slot questions, like i probably not even gonna craft anything till like week 6-7

and in 9.2.5 they might open up more slots for legendries

[steel ridge]

is fusion amp closing the gap without frost set?

[marble hemlock]

Hi, you called?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/hotline-bing-drake-phone-call-me-gif-5188593

[marble hemlock]

I'll shut up about LBE, but you're not gonna like what comes next.

[balmy condor]

uh oh

seli boutta come up with some kyrian ep nighstalker exsang tech and wreck my shit

[marble hemlock]

Can you guess what it is?

Nah

But I would like to know how much better Marileth becomes depending on how many SBS resets/minute you get. Since it drastically increases Kevin Uptime, meaning a longer uptime on the 6% damage amp

[balmy condor]

oh that's not bad

[marble hemlock]

Also not sure if its modeled correctly in simc, actually

Cause ingame the debuff lingers quite a long time, even after switching targets

So in a multitarget scenario, you can ahve the kevin debuff up on 4-5 targets, not just 1

[agile geode]

btw, by 9.2 sims necro is better than 9.1 even in st thanks to 4p, i mean, by 9.1 sims the difference between necro and venthyr is about 500 600, and in 9.2 the difference is lower 11.750 necro and 12100 nfae

is it right?

[balmy condor]

that's a @fleet anchor question, but I think he did some of that stuff in 9.1 when he looked at kevin originally

I remember him implementing a bunch of janky stuff he found while testing

[balmy condor]

yes

[agile geode]

so necro would me more playable in 9.2 than 9.1

sounds nice

but y maybe in dmg check bosses or full st bosses is a safe pick nfae

[balmy condor]

so kevin is already 1.7% better in HAC over the standard heirmir thing, now we just have to tune it down until they're equal to find a semi-break point

[marble hemlock]

too bad using deathspike doesnt give you 2 kevins

can you imagine

casting 5 sbs back to back and youd get 10 kevins?

[warm drift]

Kevinarmy

[steel ridge]

Kevin is a wild boi

[bleak sky]

hac meaning....?

[balmy condor]

hectic add cleave

[bleak sky]

o

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, i think people are underestimating necro, as always

cause by design it wont sim as high on raw singletarget

but comes with some extra goodies other covenants dont have

[vale marten]

wont the court ring be bis? i was just reading about rings so thats why i asked

[balmy condor]

might be

but it's always gonna be a lower ilvl than other rings

[vale marten]

yeah but only 6 ilvl

[balmy condor]

that's 6 ilvl

[vale marten]

and if the mythic one really is crit/mast then has to be

[balmy condor]

not quite how that works

[marble hemlock]

And you'll never hear about how solid Necro is because Whispyr is being paid by the Nightfae Super-PAC to fund his hichew addiction.

[visual hemlock]

if i want to raid and stay relevant for raid, i no longer can stay venthyr? have to be nighfae?

[balmy condor]

I found you LBE gains leave me and my family alone wtf

[balmy condor]

you can play venth, but it's worse

[marble hemlock]

Tell them to stop subscribing to my onlyfans then

[balmy condor]

necro venth and fae are all probably fine

fae does more single target, necro does less, venth in the middle

necro does more aoe, fae does less, venth in the middle

the only unplayable covenant is kyrian

[marble hemlock]

Fae is like Worldvein, kinda blows when you have to move around a lot.

[balmy condor]

because kyrian is just all around awful

[vale marten]

ah man dont tell me necro is good at something, now i need to get renown on it haha

[agile geode]

i'll always trusted you my brother

[balmy condor]

necro has always been good at something

and that's anything with more than 1 target

[marble hemlock]

Necro is the most stable covenant of them all, imo

It's been very solid at #2/3 right behind the top-dogs since the expansion started

[agile geode]

[marble hemlock]

And thats always been pure st sims

[random fossil]

[agile geode]

you will prog by assa necro?

[vale marten]

but isnt the lego absoulte dogsit?

[balmy condor]

I don't see any necro on my raid chart seli

[marble hemlock]

Worldfirst Assa kill on Denathrius was Necro

[agile geode]

because they're unworthy

[balmy condor]

okay boomer talking about last tier

[marble hemlock]

And we had 2 Necro rogues on Sylvanas

[balmy condor]

lego being dogshit kinda offset by tier set being strong

really that's why necro is keeping up, and fae is giga all of a sudden

tier set interactions

[vale marten]

hm, well i guess it into thorgast for me yet again

[balmy condor]

kinda good

[vestal wren]

they just don't like kevin

[marble hemlock]

Ye

The 40% damage amp from shiv affecting SBS initials is

[vestal wren]

btw. its rly interessting that necrolord falls back behind venthyr in 9.2 even in cleave for subtlety

[marble hemlock]

Now we just need zoldyck to do the same

[agile geode]

lol

[marble hemlock]

Would be some pretty sick execute with 5 SBS during shiv+zoldyck amp

[balmy condor]

so @marble hemlock here's some numbers and things which might be interesting. Each sim is 1 boss 5 min with add spawns. The adds are 15 seconds long, every 30 seconds, and I just changed how many adds spawn.

5 -> heirmir +1.2
4 -> heirmir -0.2
3 -> heirmir -1.1
2 -> heirmir -1.4
1 -> heirmir +0.6

[marble hemlock]

Thats overall, ye?

[balmy condor]

yes

[marble hemlock]

Can you run the same with the prio-line?

[balmy condor]

already included

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

that's less interesting though tbh

[marble hemlock]

Dunno

[balmy condor]

they're equal on 1 add in terms of prio

[marble hemlock]

To me its more interesting. Having add respawns extend Kevin buff while you go full prio into boss just means that Marileth should pull ahead further

[balmy condor]

and then marileth just ahead by a solid 100-200

for 2-5

[marble hemlock]

Can you link or check Kevins Oozeling uptime on the boss?

[agile geode]

marileth is the play in 9.2?

[balmy condor]

yeah let me link, I'll pull those numbers up as well for you

[marble hemlock]

Feels like it should get higher prio the more targets there are to SBS, imo

Here, you dropped this 👑 cause you're a king.

[visual hemlock]

is it true that assa is behind other rogue specs for raid? i heard even outlaw gonna beat assa in raid situation

[vestal wren]

no, assassination is atm even the statistically highest rogue spec on wcl

[balmy condor]

okay so first problem

I can't find uptime report

[marble hemlock]

That means I'm allowed to feelycraft, correct?

If no numbers exist, I can make them up, right?

[balmy condor]

I'm digging hold on

[visual hemlock]

i just wanna make sure i play assa in raids and dont suck 😄

[marble hemlock]

Necro bis next tier, 🧢

[agile geode]

you're my father

[balmy condor]

aight I think I found it deep in the simc bowels

[marble hemlock]

But yeah, the way I see it, going full st rota and just throwing out SBS on adds should be a minor gain for Heirmir due to extra CP gained and potential SBS cleaves on prio target, but a fairly sizeable increase for Marileth due to the same behavior but adding Kevin Uptime on top of it

[balmy condor]

Number of adds spawned for 15 seconds, every 30 seconds
5:https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xi1Cik4sckLT8egYdJUGNg
4:https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/inYqANPmMiYGWkGPusjWNL
3:https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kQaCmhnqrhFmnnb5MErEPj
2:https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jz15NvsJuMwBmiWzD8ZjAd
1:https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fBgzM59YJJBXUP5TgsbP6c
0 (basic patchwerk):
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bKUQWUcG6e3gU33f69Gvfm

Ooze uptimes (in seconds up/300, which is 5 min sim):
5: 284, 94.6%
4: 284, 94.6%
3: 284, 94.6%
2: 257, 85.6%
1: 180, 60%
0: 107, 35.6%

[marble hemlock]

Thanks for checking

[balmy condor]

I can also change the spawn interval

that might be interesting

any numbers?

[marble hemlock]

I mean, it wont really change anything unless its slower than every 30sec imo

I have one more ultimate challenge for you

[balmy condor]

okay

[marble hemlock]

Actually it's more of a challenge for Koji

[balmy condor]

is it going to bed at a reasonable hour

and not running necro sims at 2:45 in the morning

cause I'm fighting hard with that challenge

[marble hemlock]

Considering we still get 2 SBS charges refunded from a single mob dying if there's 2 Necro Rogues who both spiked it, and 3 charges refunded if theres 3, how big is the difference in prio damage for 2-3-4 Necro Rogues in the raid that all spike the same adds that are spawning, leading to almost permanent full SBS recharges

@outer lotus remembers how fun it was with double necro rogue on SLG

Couldn't spend the charges as fast as they came back in

But nah, Im joking ofc

It's just something to keep in mind for double rogue comps, its a fairly significant benefit if you play 2 rogues and both play necro

[outer lotus]

council even

[marble hemlock]

Oh yeah council

Those were good times man

[outer lotus]

wait with deathspike fixed, does the multiple refunds work with deathspike?

cuz i think that could legit be a thing in m+ to stack rogues

[marble hemlock]

Secondary spikes still dont refund charges afaik

[outer lotus]

oh

right that was intended and not a bug

[marble hemlock]

They only fixed the secondary spikes "overwriting" they primary ones that refund

#wow-general message

Psure out of that entire list, the only thing that was changed was the secondary charges overwriting primary ones and thus leading to not getting refunds at all

The remaining behavior is still the same/intended/hard to fix/low priority

[outer lotus]

i think secondary spikes not giving refunds was the intentional change they made to deathspike in 9.1 ptr though

that change just brought all the other bugs

[marble hemlock]

The entire SBS rework in 9.0.5 did that

When they added the +1CP behavior in, that never really worked properly

That made it so you get CP on hit, not on cast

[balmy condor]

well, that's not something I can sim, but I can napkin math that logic out real quick.

So the premise is that you're getting 2 resets instead of 1 on a mob dying, which would be roughly the same thing (minus the 1 gcd), as doubling the mobs dying. If you assume that the energy gain from extra targets benefits both of them equally and the extra gcd spiking a second target is a statistical irrelevant figure, you can simply take the linked sims, hop up in power of 2's, so 1 add would be the prio of 2 adds, 2 adds would be the prio of 4, etc. But since the difference in prio doesn't change too much based on the target counts, it's safe to assume running 2 necro rogues or even 3 necro rogues would result in the 100-200 dps increase on prio from marileth that you see from the add spawns.

[balmy condor]

fuck you I'll do it anyway

[marble hemlock]

🙂

[outer lotus]

gotta keep in mind that each rogue you add buffs every other rogue too

so if you go from 2 necro rogues to 3, not only does that 3rd rogue get 2 extra refunds but also the other 2 rogues get one extra

[agile geode]

the necrolord family

[outer lotus]

so you go from getting 4 refunds per dead enemy to 9 by adding another rogue

[marble hemlock]

Well, I do think it adds a noticeable amount of prio, as instead of having to SBS 2 targets in 2 GCDs, you SBS 1 target once, and use the other GCD to cast an additional SBS on the main-target. So for each add dying, you gain 1 SBS cast on the prio-target. During Shiv that is a pretty solid amount of extra damage, especially when the spawn-interval of adds is high.

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/its-its-always-sunny-always-sunny-charlie-day-charlie-gif-16330640

[balmy condor]

yeh but that just multiplies the 100-200 dps gain by x rogues

[timid cloud]

This is Sel trying to make SBS work.

[marble hemlock]

I know SBS works

I'm not trying to make it work

[vestal wren]

9.2 tripple necro lord keys 📈

[timid cloud]

LOL

[vestal wren]

they call it the seli special

[timid cloud]

[marble hemlock]

I think most of you people have just never played 2 Necro Rogue on a boss with regular mob-spawns, cause its fucking insane

Was even more insane as Outlaw due to MFD

[balmy condor]

what if we run MA, we pull huge with 3 necro rogues, spike like 15 adds, and then vanish and sit in stealth for the giga crit

[outer lotus]

in the 2nd half of council i just stopped casting pistol shot or sinister strike

[timid cloud]

I was the only NL Rogue on Sire.

[outer lotus]

juts sbs > finisher

[marble hemlock]

Yeah I was about to say

[outer lotus]

cuz they all gave max CP too because dead bodies kept counting for active spikes

[marble hemlock]

On certain fights youd just get 4 or 5 CP from every SBS

[vestal wren]

beta sbs was insane

[balmy condor]

MA vanish and afk has to work at some point right it's never worked but that's because people doing it wrong, if sbs exsang'd like it did on PTR it would definitely be worth trust me guys

[violet hemlock]

I want a sin gameplay loop that is just apply all dots sit in stealth till they alkl fall off repeat

just make mutilate do like 10 dmg and make dots do like 10x dmg

[vestal wren]

that also did not crash the test servers ^^

[timid cloud]

Did they fix that SBS bug that if you targeted something that you weren't in combat with, you could pull it anyways because the game thought you had SBS on it?

[warm drift]

Last id it wasn't

Because i pulled fate twice and everybody yelled at me. I was afk btw

[marble hemlock]

It's related to Sylvanas

Idk why

But I've only ever had it happen to me, after killing Sylvanas and going back for other bosses

And a relog fixed it

[warm drift]

Oh yeah we killed her first

[marble hemlock]

Like

[warm drift]

Yes it did indeed

Didn't know if it was the reload what fixed it

[marble hemlock]

There's some super weird shit going on with Sylvanas not technically dying, so the SBS never runs out properly, or rather, the hidden debuff doesn't, so you target smth and the debuff still "ticks" and can proc Sudden Fractures. So by targeting smth, you have a x% chance (based on your SF conduit rank) to pull the boss because you will get a SF proc on it even from 100y away

At least that's my explanation of it

[timid cloud]

That is so strange.

[warm drift]

Weird lol

[hollow dirge]

On the azeroth news channel right before the end of expansion - “Necro rogue kills sylvanas with a debuff applied during 9.1 mythic progression”

[violet hemlock]

why do u think shes still feels like shit

[hollow dirge]

No redemption arc, thank god

Rogues saved the lore

[timid cloud]

Oh I'll take her to the bone-zone.

[hollow dirge]

Boned sylvanas to death

Heck, a better story than served by blizz

[lusty oar]

She’d get it

[hollow river]

Yeah I didn’t know about any of that, and I played with other necro sin rogues at the beginning and end of 9.0.5

[charred wraith]

Yeah just couldnt spend all the resources in time, stuff was dead faster

but slg was a blast bc of that

unlucky i changed guild soon after a few kills with 2d necro rogue and another rogue in the new one was venthyr

[hollow river]

I do remember some interesting interactions on Sire because the p2 adds never fully died or something

Necro on that fight even just in heroic was 👌

Will probably go down as my favorite fight in the game

[oblique lark]

top prank 2022

back to nyalotha

even with bad apl

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

What is this exactly?

[oblique lark]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/odq2uEgHUNyBfzb4n5Q2ZE

[limber lion]

15.6k single target

don't think so

[oblique lark]

it's mythic gear

[limber lion]

Ah, it's with upscaled gear

Aight makes sense

We were playing EP/DS regardless

The MA is a bit interesting

Oh nevermind, it's a janky sim

[alpine latch]

With the 4pc are we playing more into Mastery now?

[grim tangle]

damn did you guys see that rogue do 14k on remnant with no externals what a gamer

[limber lion]

Nah, crit/haste still goated

[alpine latch]

Okie doke! I didn't see anything about it in the pins so I figured I'd ask

I'm not entirely awake, had one of those random ass thoughts and figured I'd ask

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter either way

You just equip the highest ilvl pieces

[alpine latch]

Yeah

My original question was "I wonder what slot these show go on", then I looked at the pins

And that transitioned into "Well, I wonder if it's still crit/haste or not"

[oblique lark]

why?

[hollow river]

Who

[oblique lark]

2:48 speedkill

[limber lion]

Because Exsang sims the highest

There's quite a few things why it's a bit scuffed, like it being a fixed sim

We always use variance in our sims

[scenic kelp]

i farm renown for necro. do i need the campaign to unlock emeni and heirmir? i never did necro campaign fyi

[spice spire]

Yes

[scenic kelp]

yes i need to do the campaign? 😄

[alpine latch]

Yes, you do. Each covenant has at least 1 of the soulbinds locked behind the covenant

So if you've never done it before, it doesn't auto-unlock

[scenic kelp]

kk ty for info!

[alpine latch]

For Venthyr it's Theo

You actually have to save him from a cage before you can use him

[scenic kelp]

gracias

[paper nacelle]

emeni has her own little side quest.

[oblique lark]

add variance for unoptimized exsang apl, why?

[limber lion]

huh?

What does that even mean

We use variance in all of our sims

[oblique lark]

i can add default variance 20%

[limber lion]

because the game does not work in a fixed fashion

Always use variance

[oblique lark]

i know my boss timers

[limber lion]

No you don't

[oblique lark]

i dont need variance

[limber lion]

They literally change every week

lol

It literally changes

every time

[oblique lark]

okay ...

[limber lion]

depending on how much damage people do

if someone dies

if you got all buffs

if someone gets crits

if someone gets bad mechanics

[unborn needle]

What he's trying to say is, he always plays perfect. He's the exception. 🙂

[oblique lark]

lol

[limber lion]

By killing variance entirely in the sim, you will get a botched result that ONLY works if the fight is exactly that time

My Guardian kills are around 3:40

so I would sim something like 3:50 with 20s variance both ways

or 3:40 with 10s variance

But I can assure you

that you will not

hit that 3:40 the next time you kill Guardian

For my guild, these are the kill timers from the past 6 weeks

and every time it's been a different time

It's never the same

That's because there's variance

in game

and in life

and in the sims

And the robot will sim your exact fight length that you're looking for hundreds of times even if there is variance

And if it was super duper better than everything else, it would pop out

[unborn needle]

Oh shit, he's still going!

[limber lion]

But more often than not the 10-30s variance will kill certain setups

You can never predict what is going to happen in the future

[oblique lark]

for a 5 minute fight spread is 1 minute, of course this greatly affects the exsang build, I just showed that it is POSSIBLE (yes on the fixed 5 minutes, but there exsang is not used optimally) and if you add the dependence on the timer (as it was in nyalotha), and at other timers, it can be better than alacrity

[limber lion]

You can't predict a team mates death, an entire raid groups dps, mechanics etc.

Yeh

Just don't follow no-variance sims like a bible please

You'll see awful results if you always trust them

Just a 5s difference can make or break a build

Because it'll force the apl to hold/sync differently throughout the fight

[brazen sonnet]

NICE

[oblique lark]

usually i dont use fixed timer, i used it in nyalotha for speedkills, where i know exactly timer + editing sync abilities in apl

ofc with 0 deaths etc

and it worked

[drifting cloud]

I assume you can change the default 20% variance to a lower number?

[glossy olive]

[oblique lark]

sure, but which one?

[limber lion]

Yeh, they're a good tool here and there, but I would highly highly recommend just simming even with low variance.

5% is a good number

[bleak sky]

Yes I know the exact timers I always kill guardian at 3:44:73 because my frost shard always procs with a 52% crit rate and my teammates are all at 61.5% crit rate

Warriors always get the same amount of procs

[oblique lark]

to play with variations, need exsang APL to be optimized

now first use exsang on 25+ sec

[bleak sky]

Don't even get me started on the dhs always getting a reset on felblade 92% of the time sheesh

[oblique lark]

after vendetta and all bursts

I have no desire to do this, I just made sure that this build is possible

[sand sigil]

oh god

exsang + 4 piece 🤮

say it isn't so

[oblique lark]

in ma window

niceu

[hollow river]

It isn’t so

[limber lion]

[sand sigil]

thank god but what is this lol

[hollow river]

What is this heresy Cev

[hollow river]

Someone simmed it with 0 variance on fight length or some shit

[sand sigil]

honestly exsang ma could be goated in 2s though

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

final fantasy raiding type beat, spreadsheet of your globals

[sand sigil]

just vanish and sit in stealth lol

[hollow river]

I could see some cool interactions in pvp sure

But not in pve tbh

[hollow river]

Shiv+sepsis+gar+rupt+vend+exsang

Overkill 9000

[unborn needle]

Will we be running Exsanguinate instead of Alacrity for Raid?

[hollow river]

No

[limber lion]

Well....

[spice spire]

I was about to say

Uh we may be

[hollow river]

What was your sim?

Length and variance?

[limber lion]

Normal 5 minute sim.

With normal variance.

[hollow river]

What the fuck

I thought it was like a 1 minute sim 0 variance

How has it been pushed to the wayside so much then lmfao

[spice spire]

+3k

Really on that fire mage type beat rn

[hollow river]

Delete all the messages boys

Jpc’s playing sin for RWF after all

[spice spire]

Nah shit’s interesting, legitimately.

[grim tangle]

I don't have a keybind for exsang so can we not?

that's the shiv button now

[spice spire]

I assume this gains value on 4p by a bit.
So maybe not necessarily.
I’m unsure of the workings though.

[spice spire]

Time to add one

[proper summit]

how do you run out of keybinds for assa, that's not a valid concern

[spice spire]

My h key is looking juicy

Since I won’t have to mfd

[hollow river]

Kinda sounds like the sim might be broken

How tf

[sand sigil]

i wish

[vestal wren]

looks like something broke

[hollow river]

Yeah there’s no way it’s +3k

[spice spire]

I mean smoker mentioned that exsang APL pushed it to 25 seconds which was after burst.
Idk what it is as I haven’t seen it

[hollow river]

If It’s been garbage all expansion

[sand sigil]

if it's 2 leggo it don't matter anyways

[oblique lark]

u can check full sim above

[spice spire]

It was garbage all of bfa afaik until 8.3

[sand sigil]

true

[oblique lark]

no sync with vendetta / shiv / ma window etc

[vestal wren]

exsang was great at the start of bfa too

due to haste snapshotting with GC

[hollow river]

Bro if we actually play exsang

I need MORE BUTTONS

[oblique lark]

+ambush for fae +exsang

[hollow river]

Sin needs more abilities

[spice spire]

You’re right, there’s literally no sync in your sims.
That’s wild stuff. I wonder if this will change anything, actually or if even corrected, it’s pretty sketch

Cev’s sim (if not broken) is a good sign

[limber lion]

It's just that the apl currently does not recognize that the Vendetta with 4p will halve the duration of the bleeds

so it never uses Exsang during Vendetta

[vestal wren]

18k does sound rly high in output tho

[limber lion]

Which causes the massive variance in the sim, because it will keep using Exsang on cooldown (because I tested removing the conditions from it), which causes for omega high spikes because of amazing sync

or omega shit dps because you use an exsang before a vendetta and have to reapply bleeds soon after

and so on

But not sure why removing the Exsang line

goes from maximum being 18k

to maximum being

40k

[spice spire]

Yeah idk how to even write the rule in.
But

What

[limber lion]

@vestal wren help

[spice spire]

Infinite DPS inc

[vestal wren]

all rogue specs need high variance 😛

lol

[limber lion]

Is there a good condition I can slap on Exsanguinate that recognizes the Vendetta halving the duration of the bleeds?

[vestal wren]

exsang was always a pain to optimize ^^

[limber lion]

Like "if 4p enabled and debuff Vendetta up, all of * these * conditions will now halve"

lol

[sand sigil]

wait could this work with just 1 leggo? 👀

u know what they say tho if something sounds too good to be true it probably is

[limber lion]

Yeh

Don't trust any sims you see for the next like 3 hours or so

Testing all maximums and minimums now

[thorn fjord]

Dont trust the Gov either

disclaimer

😂

[unborn needle]

Do we have any idea when Raidbots will be updated for 9.2?

[brazen zodiac]

sup gamers

[spice spire]

Just melting brains rn vita how about you?

[hollow river]

This damage won’t be directly tier set related so it gets to stay right

[vestal wren]

set_bonus.tier28_4pc is the tier set condition btw.

[arctic walrus]

@limber lion good afternoon sir may I ask for your help on something provided you are at your computer

[limber lion]

Hello cutie, what is it?

[arctic walrus]

Okay down to business

Do u have a log that is externaled

Of any boss

[limber lion]

I do yes

Got PI on last Remnant apparently

But I think that's the only one afaik

Silenced myself 4 times during the kill to off-set the PI instead kek

[arctic walrus]

But is it still higher than your previous nonexternaled ones

[limber lion]

Unfortunately so

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

🤮

[arctic walrus]

And if you have the extension, does your nonexternaled show up at all?

Or is it just completely overwritten

[limber lion]

Priest asked "who do I give PI to" on pull and someone said Cev and before I could say anything I got PI'd

Oh well

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay we all have tainted logs at this point in the patch Cev

[limber lion]

Pretty sure it's completely overwritten

[arctic walrus]

Frick man

[limber lion]

Like my previous kills are gone from the rankings

[hollow river]

[arctic walrus]

I was hoping to go after all the no external r1s

😧

And just have an easy way of tracking

[hollow river]

If only WCL would add a filter everyone wants

[fleet anchor]

The duration mechanics work in SimC correctly for sure, but I'd need to double check the multi-target stuff

[brazen zodiac]

making burritos waiting for 9.2

u want one? got chicken

[spice spire]

Nice but nah - bit of a drive for a burrito. Appreciate the offer though

[brazen zodiac]

fly here

duh

[gusty mirage]

I want a burrito

[brazen zodiac]

🌯

here u go king

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

got chicken witu 5 different spices fried in light butter, oil, and painted with chicken juice

and lots of cheese

men and women must eat their weight in cheese daily it is a law

[glass tulip]

460 pounds of cheese

[brazen zodiac]

mav......

maybe u shouldn't do that then........

maybe i make u a chicken salad instead.................

🐔

[spice spire]

Mayonnaise

[glass tulip]

[brazen zodiac]

mayo slaps tho

[glass tulip]

it really does not

[gusty mirage]

Just tired of being blasted with my mayo every night huh?

[brazen zodiac]

yall ever ate weird shit as a kid

[spice spire]

Must be confusing me with yourself papi

[brazen zodiac]

i used to make ham samos with mayo and just eat the mayo bread tbh

kinda based

[spice spire]

Anti Mayo squad. I ain’t blasted with shit

[gusty mirage]

I blast myself?

[glass tulip]

my brother watched little rascals once and was convinced the peanut butter and onion sandwich would be good

[spice spire]

Yessir

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[glass tulip]

so one day my dad made it for him so he could test it out, spoiler: it was not

[gusty mirage]

#blessed

[brazen zodiac]

lmfaoo

zzz

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

run oxi

[spice spire]

There’s a local sandwich shop near a college where their signature sandwich is chicken - bacon and peanut butter

[brazen zodiac]

im coming after ur parses

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

bro they're all stoned to them that tastes great

[gusty mirage]

Damn, setting that bar real low huh

[grizzled jay]

@gusty mirage wanna go Kyrian + NS memes with me

[brazen zodiac]

how low can u go

can u go down low

oh my dog ate my burrito while i was talking to you guys

that's not cool

[gusty mirage]

Does my decision impact shrek 2 night?

[glass tulip]

your dogs intestines in 3 hours ->

[brazen zodiac]

yeah he's gonna shit himself so hard

he's such a dog ugh all he does is eat

[grizzled jay]

Yes

[brazen zodiac]

have to always keep stuff locked up or placed far away cuz he just eats

one time i made ramen went to the bathroom and the bowl was just gone like what

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage the overhang has been fixed

You can fix the pinnerino pepperino

cute pin btw :3

[hollow river]

I told whispyr it was fixed last night

[violet hemlock]

fixed in waht sense

[hollow river]

No response

[violet hemlock]

like its back?

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

They reintroduced it.

[hollow river]

Yes

[limber lion]

It was removed unintentionally.

[violet hemlock]

the probs only removed it to add sbs

I can see how that would happen

[alpine latch]

ELI5 on what the overhang was?

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[visual prairie]

when we say it was removed unintentionally, you mean removed in the simc implementation?

[hollow river]

Vendetta 4p snap shotting your bleeds

[hollow river]

No

Removed from PTR

[visual prairie]

oh

is it back on ptr too?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[fleet anchor]

Does it still work with SBS or did that also get reverted?

[violet hemlock]

Ye I assume they basically added sbs then had to fully rewite how they added it

do we get sbs overhang 😄

[limber lion]

Vendetta with the 4p tierset allows you to halve the duration of existing bleeds and any bleeds reapplied during Vendetta. With the current version these exsanguinated bleeds continue ticking at double the rate, even after Vendetta ends.

[violet hemlock]

just ramping up speed on sbs

with every vendetta

[limber lion]

Trying it out now

[alpine latch]

blah. I hate snapshotting 😦

[limber lion]

What is snapshotting?

For someone who hates it, I imagine they know how to explain it as well

[visual prairie]

don't tell me what I can hate

[hollow river]

The 4p isn’t exactly a snapshot or is it?

[limber lion]

Not quite

[hollow river]

I just used that term to describe it

[alpine latch]

Snapshotting is when abilities effectively "snapshot" to the state when they were applied, rather than dynamically updating as a buff or debuff falls off

[limber lion]

Beautiful

[hollow river]

Google

[alpine latch]

I've created 11 MUDs. I've used Snapshotting quite a lot because it's far easier to do memory wise

[hollow river]

[alpine latch]

Nope, not Google

[hollow river]

What are muds

[glass tulip]

bing

[alpine latch]

I've made multiple GodWars and Vampire Wars MUDs (and I'm making another that's hopefully being released this summer)

[limber lion]

Snapshotting is a bit of a grey zone because some classes snapshot things different

[visual prairie]

what is a MUD? as someone who has mad 11 of them, i imagine you know how to explain it well

[limber lion]

Like previously we could snapshot with Exsang, so instead of applying the snapshot when you apply the buff, you applied it when you pressed Exsanguinate.

[glass tulip]

what is a child? as someone who has made 11 of them, i imagine you know how to explain it well

[alpine latch]

MUDs are Multi-User Dungeons. They are basically the first multiplayer games on the internet. They are typically based on D&D. You use a telnet client (or a modern one probably has a java applet to connect via a browser)

[tight ginkgo]

multi-user dungeon

Palmer, it is pretty rad you do that. Just gotta put that in there

[hollow river]

[alpine latch]

Vampire Wars, which I played more of than anything, is based on God Wars. The powers are based on the White Wolf version of Vampire the Masquerade

[violet hemlock]

the fact it lasts all of vendetta is what makes it different from ensang

and snapshotting was a thing in wow before it was changed in like mop

[alpine latch]

The new repo is private, but the old code I was working on:
https://github.com/palmermarc/ranvier-bundle-diku

[visual prairie]

we all know. cev just condescending at people

[alpine latch]

Cev is rarely condescending, lol

[visual prairie]

i'll mark my calendar then

[alpine latch]

He's far nicer to me than I probably deserve

I say and do some dumb-ass shit

[gusty mirage]

Cev is a lovebug with a rough exterior

everything he says/does is outta love

[limber lion]

Palmer's a homie

[limber lion]

[alpine latch]

❤️

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

But yeah, back to that - I'm personally not a big fan of snapshotting in games. It's almost never explained well and is almost always extremely punishing if you don't do it correctly.

[visual prairie]

speaking of snapshotting, i'm just in a bad mood because I planned to main feral and that's looking less and less likely as time goes on.

[bleak sky]

good ol' days of PoE snapshotting

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's a bit of a rough mechanic.

[gusty mirage]

poor kitty mains

forever sadge

[limber lion]

There's some specs/classes/games that do it well

But tends to be a bit all over the place most of the time

[alpine latch]

Yeah, if done well it can be a ton of fun

But it can also be frustrating as hell

[limber lion]

Yuuuuuup

[gusty mirage]

@visual prairie if it makes you feel any better, a friend of mine is so excited after seeing that clip of the feral damage in dos. "The feral tier set looks great, I can't wait for 9.2 so I can try it!" and I don't have the heart to break it to him

[tight ginkgo]

like festerblight builds on unholy dk back in the day

[visual prairie]

feral tier set is like 4% total gain on single target now. assuming you never have to hold berserk for anything and waste the 2pc

"in line" with sin 18%, sub 18%

[fleet anchor]

I mean the Feral set is kinda a joke. No idea what they are thinking about the tuning of it. lol

[visual prairie]

sorry, this is rogue. i'm excited about playing necro in keys

YAY

sbs is fun

[glass tulip]

[visual prairie]

that was sincere.

[gusty mirage]

necro sin is going to be fun af

especially considering they fixed the refunding of deathspike boners

going to legit be a turret

[glass tulip]

what was the bug?

if you spent multiple boners on one target it only refunded one?

[spice spire]

Wouldn’t refund spikes on death

[visual prairie]

i think if the lego proc did the spike, you didn't get refund. even if it was overwriting one you applied yourself

[gusty mirage]

^

[spice spire]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

and deathspike doesn't exactly have "smart" targeting

so it just hits whatever the fuck is close to your primary target

[glass tulip]

interesting, wouldnt know since im a fairy man now

[fleet anchor]

From our testing basically because it's a faux AoE with chain_targets, iirc it's the lowest GUID target in range of the cleave

or highest or something

it's "stable" though

[gusty mirage]

GUID, always griefing

[fleet anchor]

So you'll hit the same target every time

If nothing changes about your target or what is in range

[gusty mirage]

I'm excited to do some necro keys with double leggo in 9.2

[visual prairie]

poor new minion mobs. the old guys are like, hey buddy, can you swap guids with me? that's my lucky number. "why do I always get spiked?"

[carmine dawn]

I knew a warlock named fleep

[visual prairie]

it wasn't me.

[carmine dawn]

I’m watching you

[gusty mirage]

listen here pirate boy

don't be coming into our channel harassing our boomer rogues

[carmine dawn]

[bleak sky]

mod abusing fellow discord members

ban this green name

[carmine dawn]

Implying I haven’t played sin the last three clears

[gusty mirage]

tru tru

I take it back

you had me at fingees

[gusty mirage]

I'll ban you

damn seli down bad, he's in wow classic now

[bleak sky]

please do ban me pls get me out

[gusty mirage]

nope, you're stuck with me forever buddy

[bleak sky]

[carmine dawn]

Variety streamers smh

[lusty oar]

His name is forever guy

[spice spire]

Foreverman

[lusty oar]

Foreverthey

[alpine latch]

OMG BOIS

Horde might be back on the menu

[glass tulip]

oh?

[alpine latch]

Yeah, think I finally convinced my guild to stop being dumb and put our raiding goals higher than our desire to wear shiny things

[hollow river]

When was it off the menu

[alpine latch]

When I went back to Alliance to take over recruitment for my old guild

[violet hemlock]

So are u then paying for everyones faction swap?

😄

[alpine latch]

That's being discussed

[violet hemlock]

is that the price

[alpine latch]

I'm willing to throw down up to 15m to cover the cost

[violet hemlock]

dam... but will make ur recruiting job a ton easier

[glass tulip]

[hollow river]

Yep just set the money right here

[violet hemlock]

Ye I could use 15m

[hollow river]

We’ll make it happen

[spice spire]

@viscid spear doesn’t regret the swap yet

Give it time and ash will regret it

[viscid spear]

Won't matter with the cross-faction happening

But still

[brave moth]

Hey guys. what slot should I craft Zoldyck on necro sin. Legs or feet? Is feet gonna be set slot? if not I guess feet will be best slot for Zold.

[hollow river]

Why Zoldycks?

M+ only enjoyer?

[brave moth]

yes

[hollow river]

Hmm

[spice spire]

Legs right now.
And if you get 4 pieces elsewhere, you’d definitely want to stay legs

[brave moth]

Yeah the idea is to have crit/haste in each slot

[spice spire]

But if legs end up being part of the 4p you obtain first, feet.

On m+, you lose a bit of haste prio since you’ll have multiple bleeds to keep your energy regen up

[hollow river]

If you only do m+ mastery is decent

[spice spire]

Best to sim that kinda stuff tho

[hollow river]

[brave moth]

That makes sence @spice spire

But there's a chance they change the slot for Zoldyck? from feet/legs to something else?

[hollow river]

Doubt it tbh

Never know tho

[brave moth]

but haste increase tick rate of dots right? or not really so much. So you guys recommend going for crit/mastery for M+ as sin.

[carmine dawn]

Haste does increase tick rate, correct

People are just saying crit/haste is the best, but if you’re only doing m+, settling for mastery gear isn’t the worst thing ever

But run sims so you don’t fuck yourself

[brave moth]

is it possible to run aoe simm?

[carmine dawn]

Yeah dungeon slice is good for rogue

Dungeon slice is only as good as the people who keep the sim updated, and as far as we know rogue TCs are the only ones that do

That’s why everyone says dungeon slice is bad

It’s bad for everything but rogue (as far as I know, idk I’m a rogue one trick)

[alpine latch]

Oh shit, that reminds me ... Zoldyck goes where in 9.2? I didn't see that in the pin.

I presume it's not pants still?

[brave moth]

addon or website? cuz im using raidbots for ST sim

[spice spire]

Dungeon slice is good, you can also just do a multi-patchwork sim on x time @brave moth

[carmine dawn]

It’s in raidbots

[brave moth]

well i just logged into ptr and saw that the legs tier piece gives crit/haste

[carmine dawn]

Just change patchwork to dungeon slice

[spice spire]

Raidbots can be changed to dungeon slide

[brave moth]

@alpine latch

[spice spire]

Pants if you don’t have a 4p there afaik.
But if it’s part of your 4p, run feet kinda deal

[alpine latch]

So probably feet because pants give crit/haste

Which sounds like it's still BiS

per Cev earlier

[hollow river]

That’d be for raid

He only focuses on m+

[alpine latch]

wait what?

[hollow river]

?

[alpine latch]

I'm confused. I'll shut up and wait for sims. lol

[glad siren]

Any ideas what will be bis for sin in raid 9.2

[glass tulip]

covenants are pinned

leggos included
gear, no idea until it all is finalized

[hollow river]

The guy was asking specifically for m+ so it’s kind of a wait and see thing

[alpine latch]

Oh I was asking for Zoldyck

Since pants are crit/haste

So it'll probably go on boots then?