assassination

[balmy condor]

That one holds out till like 270

[regal cypress]

alright

[frigid sleet]

does the 2p work on inital CT hits ?

[viscid spear]

Didn't someone say the last Renown has to be a weekly?

[drifting cloud]

does it?

does having 2 leggos, set pieces equipped swing it that much?

I just did 285 crit/mast from m+ to my normal gear with no sets in oh

and eon won

[balmy condor]

That wasn’t the case when I checked

[drifting cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mHEzJCRiC8486aBK24v38

did I fuck something

[balmy condor]

233 eon loses to a 252 offhand yes?

So it should be a 280 beats a 259

[drifting cloud]

the eon proc scales like mad

with ilvl

dagger scale like shit in oh

[balmy condor]

I’m in mobile, are the enchants matching up?

If they are, then I guess rip

[gusty mirage]

they are

[balmy condor]

Fuck this piece of shit dagger man

[gusty mirage]

but

[vestal wren]

you need a mythic weapon to beat offhand sylvanas iirc

[gusty mirage]

that sim is simming double mythic eon vs 1 mythic eon in mh

[vestal wren]

reason is that offhand is not very impactful

[balmy condor]

That shouldn’t matter

[drifting cloud]

what oxi its just gear compare offhand only

[gusty mirage]

I mean outside of stats weapon ilvl in OH is about on par with secondaries

so wouldn't it make more sense to choose a control for MH that doesn't double the effect?

[vestal wren]

offhand weapon dps get a penalty

this is why its lower impact

[gusty mirage]

like you're just comparing stats vs double the damage of the proc in that sim

[balmy condor]

Thank you fuu

[gusty mirage]

I would've done a few combinations, 285 mh + 259 OH, 285 mh + 285 OH, and double 259 eon

tbh

not just 259 eon mh/oh and eon/285 oh

[balmy condor]

The offhand is the question tho

The mainhand shouldn’t change it

[drifting cloud]

yeah I mean sure its just something I did in 20s a few days ago 😛

[gusty mirage]

I'm confused why it shouldn't tbh

[viscid spear]

Wrong channel 😶

[drifting cloud]

hey atleast its better for ilvl logs

[ebon lichen]

Ive read through the guides, however i feel energy starved at times, and while pooling for envenom it feels like the regen is horrible with both garrote and rupture up. Is this too low of haste that is causing that? Im at around 10%. I am still gearing up (185ilvl) but just wanted to see if im missing something else.

[balmy condor]

Are you saying that the mainhand ilvl would then make the stats better?

[drifting cloud]

oh just a garbage item slot, barely more impact than a cloak

[balmy condor]

It gets a little better, but sin is a slow spec by design

You’ll always starve

[gusty mirage]

no, I'm thinking having the eon as the control in the MH maybe skews it in favor of doubling up EON

[drifting cloud]

im sure venthyr/mfd probably help eon a little more than nf would aswell

but it shouldnt be close for a spec where eon is considered bad

[balmy condor]

But it’s independent

There’s no bonus to doubling up

[drifting cloud]

but yeah you could run some double lego, 4p sim I dont have the profile im sure whispyr would love to do it when hes not on phone

[gusty mirage]

wouldn't doubling the eon effect damage impact it tho? or am I just overthinking it

[drifting cloud]

and I dunno if our secondaries are gonna "scale" like they did with dom sets that alone should outweigh it

[balmy condor]

I don’t see why it would

The difference between 1->2 dagger is the same as 0->1 dagger in terms of eon effect

[gusty mirage]

seems like I'm just stupid

[vestal wren]

i assume whispyr has a better profile for the sim but:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q5WY9dnKJMjQu6XoHdJ3GG/simc

basically means offhand won't be replaced very fast (if you have a myrhic eon)

even if the impact if lower on assassination

[hollow river]

I just got my first ever max ilvl wep I don’t wanna lose it so fast

[unborn needle]

So NF is the covenant to shoot for so far going into 9.2?

[vestal wren]

only after you get the 4p, i think whispyr has it noted in the pins here or in the 9.2 discussion thread too

if you want to prepear for 9.2 it def. seems like a good choice to bring it up to max renown

[frigid sleet]

Does the crit from the 2p affect the CT inital hit?

[viscid spear]

Like fuu said, it will be once you have the 4pc, so until then you can run Venthyr

[marble hemlock]

It doesnt give crit anymore, its just a damage increase.

[frigid sleet]

I assume it does increase the damage of the initial CT hit then ?

[celest ruin]

anyone have the snippet for raidbots to end the fight at 50% health

[hollow river]

I think there’s a check box for no execute

[real solar]

@hollow river hi cuties

[hollow river]

[real solar]

welcome to ZJ

[gusty mirage]

see you replaced me with a better rogue already

don't have to be mad at me anymore

[brazen zodiac]

beautiful

[hollow river]

Tyty

[cerulean nest]

still the case with a 246 EoN?

for all of the above?

[normal mist]

aight boys

all 20's timed

[vestal wren]

big gz

[normal mist]

#freeportals!

[gusty mirage]

for using the eon next tier?

[cerulean nest]

yes

[subtle gyro]

Am i reading that right? If you have a EON... mine is 246, that i should run it MH over my 259 M+ dagger?

[vestal wren]

the sylvanas dagger in the sim is mythic quality

you can expect a heroic version to be replaced by a 259 dagger in mainhand

it still takes a while to replace your offhand, likely till mythic

[clever kindle]

if you know where to get a 259 dagger thats not mythic EON please provide me with your black market informants

[gusty mirage]

nah

heroic one will get replaced early

[vestal wren]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=191001/observers-umbral-shiv?bonus=6805

this one probably

[clever kindle]

man I love wowheads setup

[vestal wren]

the bluepost mentioned a 285 weapon from mythic

jump between difficulties is 13

[clever kindle]

I was just making a pedantic joke about the ilvl lol

[vestal wren]

what means:
272 = heroic
259 = normal

oh sry, though you got confused

[gusty mirage]

[clever kindle]

I did I thought you guys meant current tier which is 252 right, unless I have been playing too much pathfinder and my brain is fried

[viscid spear]

All our brains are fried, we play WoW

[clever kindle]

real

but this game requires me to buff 40 times after every rest

[vestal wren]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=191001/observers-umbral-shiv?bonus=6805&ilvl=XXX
you can replace XXX in the url to get the itemlevel you want

[clever kindle]

ooh fancy, thanks

[viscid spear]

So no special effect dagger for us this tier because we had EoN?

[vestal wren]

subtlety/outlaw can use one hand weapons if there is one with a special effect

but at least for subtlety it won't be very efficient

[viscid spear]

But no dagger for Sin

[clever kindle]

Yeah it is what it is, they're more the exception then the rule

[drifting light]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[timid cloud]

What happened to that dual set of daggers on PTR? One that did fire damage & the other that did shadow damage?

[alpine latch]

It's still in the PTR files

But nothing, that I know of, drops them

[clever kindle]

What if they were Tier set daggers

[timid cloud]

It’ll probs drop off some rare then or be trash loot.

[clever kindle]

Dont think they have done trash drop weapons in a long time so I doubt that

There are 3 untested bosses right, probably going to be off one of those 3

[timid cloud]

I mean like open world trash.

Not in raid, that would be insanity...

[clever kindle]

Generally those have been specific for tmog even, and drop at like ilvl 200

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[oak sky]

The daggers are nothing

I think they were 246

[clever kindle]

weird ilvl.. whats lfr ilvl for the new raid?

[timid cloud]

Bummer...

[clever kindle]

well if they are 246

[vestal wren]

they might be catch up gear

[clever kindle]

With special effects? Would be strange but not impossible

[timid cloud]

That’s what I was afraid of.

[vestal wren]

covenant sets did also exist, something like that possibly

[timid cloud]

I guess I’ll just take my stupid little stats dagger.

[clever kindle]

already using 2 of them

the trick was to give up on EON after 12 weeks

[timid cloud]

Lol

[oak sky]

Theyre definitely not dropping off a boss

146 would be lfr endboss level

Q46

246

And we know the new rygelon dagger is the only one we get

[bleak sky]

rygelondeez

[oak sky]

[spice spire]

[cerulean nest]

thats the only raid dagger?

[oak sky]

Nah

Theres 3

2 lower ilvl ones also

Equivalent of 252

[cerulean nest]

ah i see

i'll just grab another tanglewood thorn in the meantime

[umbral tulip]

so there is a dagger from last 2? nice

[strange python]

Where did you see the new daggers loot? I looked for it in wowhead 😦

[limber lion]

Log on the ptr

[brazen zodiac]

thanks cev

whats poppin

[limber lion]

And open the dungeon journal

nm

[brazen zodiac]

rad rad

i made taco meat

yum

[limber lion]

good shit

[brazen zodiac]

would u like a fresh taco

[strange python]

Daaamn okay

[brazen zodiac]

on the house

[strange python]

Thx

[brazen zodiac]

usin 2 spices i never used and learned about today

no idea how it tastes but we gonna find out together

[kindred heron]

wait cev is back? and has been raiding for a month?! i guess im late but thats awesome welcome back

[strange python]

is it me or does the dagger look kinda meh

(the new one)

from rygelon

[oak sky]

Like visually? Havent seen it yet

[strange python]

it shares the same model as the caster dagger atm i believe?

if im not mistaken

[soft pond]

are there sims for the double legend?

and covenant

[vestal wren]

📌

[subtle gyro]

I have a question about Mfd. Does every other one get synced with Flag...meaning that i hold Mfd for 20 ish secs or?

[gusty mirage]

yeah it should kind of naturally line up

but if flag's <15 in coming off CD

just hold it

yes

[subtle gyro]

I mean atm, i use it in the opener, and then again as its off CD, but then im waiting 20 or 25ish secs for Flag

[gusty mirage]

yeah if flag has 20 or 25s left on CD

just hit mfd -> env

[drifting cloud]

are you playing obedience or

[subtle gyro]

Dashing

[gusty mirage]

ideally it'll line up inside shiv when not being used with flag

[drifting cloud]

then what youve described doesnt happen

[subtle gyro]

sure it does

[limber lion]

lol.

[drifting cloud]

not the way you typed it out because flag has a 90s cd so its not every 2nd mfd

[limber lion]

Flag has a 90 second cooldown

Marked for Death has a 30 second cooldown

That's the perfect line up

You do realize Flag stays on the target for 12s

Meaning you can use MFD during that 12s

you don't have to use it the very first gcd

meaning that if you have 20s+ cd left on Flag, you can send MFD without worry

You don't hold it for 20-25s

[subtle gyro]

Perhaps thats where im messing up...

[open reef]

Do we know if there is going to be huge diff at night fea vs venthyr with set bonuses ?

[void karma]

first link in the pins

[lyric crater]

200DPS atm unless something changes

[open reef]

So still venthyr go to

?

[brazen zodiac]

u guys should have a bot that automatically just types whenever a keyword is detected

lmfao

sup blades

[slow marsh]

start the tier as venthyr then swap to NF when you get 4p tier

sup

[brazen zodiac]

u wanna play ranked?

[gusty mirage]

why you tryin to automate my job bruh

[brazen zodiac]

cuz my good beautiful oxi u my good sir need a break

a vacation if u will

[gusty mirage]

okay where we going?

[brazen zodiac]

u and whisp goin to the all new resort hotel called

called

CALLED!?!?

[oak sky]

iceblades moms house

[viscid spear]

Is the resort called Called?

[brazen zodiac]

google so useless

[gusty mirage]

we're going on Lets Make a Deal?

[brazen zodiac]

its called u get to uninstall wow for life

congrats

[gusty mirage]

sick

[gusty mirage]

assassination CFs either quit the game or live long enough to become blades

no in between

[slow marsh]

shoot tell her i said hi

[brazen zodiac]

not true sometimes they do a dungeon and get excited when ct does 15k

lul

[gusty mirage]

like seli's crusty ass is playing civ 5 rn

[slow marsh]

[gusty mirage]

great game

but cmon bruh

[brazen zodiac]

oxi

do u wanna play connect 4

[slow marsh]

he's prolly tilted on dota 2

[brazen zodiac]

https://connect-4.org/en

[gusty mirage]

no

I hate connect 4

[brazen zodiac]

fuck

[gusty mirage]

why would you do this to me

[hollow river]

because all my decisions in doing damage come from calculated tactical deduction

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.chess.com/play

chess?

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

ohh the memes

[brazen zodiac]

https://papergames.io/en/tic-tac-toe

im so bored

please

[gusty mirage]

just wait 5 days for lost ark

and never look back

[brazen zodiac]

https://papergames.io/en/r-rJ2T-ycAK/508

my laptop cant run that probs

otherwise i would f

[jaunty kayak]

when playing mfd, do i mfd like 15s-ish into pull for snd? or just do normal mut-snd-mut blabla and mfd mid flag ?

[gusty mirage]

up to you if you wanna do the snd pre-pull stuff, I don't think I bothered ever

I don't know the numbers off the top of my head

[drifting cloud]

as assa if we have 4p but were still on 1 lego

is dusk the best?

[slow marsh]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

is that number anywhere on whispyrs sheet

or am I just blind

oh you have to scroll down, ok next level tech

😩

serves me right my 2nd screen is 720p (dont ask)

[gusty mirage]

bro?

want me to get you a 1080p monitor?

[jaunty kayak]

cuz i was looking at some mfd logs and almost all of them mfd'd prepull for snd and used mfd about 10s into the fight during flag.. but yk, those have KA, a billion PIs and so on

[gusty mirage]

ye it's a slight gain iirc

[drifting cloud]

actually wait its 1080 now, my old one was 720

just main one is 1440

[brazen zodiac]

i got owned

[gusty mirage]

but tbh I don't think I've ever not had someone end up pre-pulling or even just pulling despite me waiting to push ready

so I just didn't bother

[brazen zodiac]

i-i mean....

[bleak sky]

Oxi, Ravenholdt's Sugar Daddy

[drifting cloud]

what pull timer does your guild run

[gusty mirage]

ryler mentally coached me through my sylv kill

he's forever a homie

[drifting cloud]

mine does 20 so I just press it as soon as it starts

and mfd comes back right after ma

[brazen zodiac]

bless me with a lil of that wisdom king

[limber lion]

It's fine if you get a 20s pull timer

It scuffs everything up if it's like 10-15s only

Would not recommend

The gain is super minimal

I do it everytime but I also mfd a lot earlier

[drifting cloud]

yeah at 15 youre sometimes making it last global of flag

mini game to see if youre inting yourself

[limber lion]

I've inted myself with it a few times as well

For no reason

We're talking like 30dps

Don't do it

Not worth

[drifting cloud]

but it sure feels alot nicer

[gusty mirage]

ye I thought it was something small

[jaunty kayak]

ah okay :D cheers guys , ill keep my mfd for the first flag xd

[limber lion]

I've simmed my entire cheese opener and it wasn't too too giga

Can't remember the number

But nothing crazy

[slow marsh]

like mfd slice + cps already up for rupture?

[limber lion]

I've sometimes gotten a 18s pull timer, but I was out of range of MfD so I just spammed it out of range, moved in 3-4s later and then it was desync'd

[limber lion]

MFD - Slice pre-pull, a slightly different opener when Slice is already up and MFD is ready

[gusty mirage]

yeah I remember trying it once and the boomie pulled on 4

and it fucked my entire opener up lmao

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/boomkin-dancing-bird-weird-gif-16499522

[limber lion]

I got a new best pull on Sylv today, too bad my mouse kept dying during p3

Super tilting

[drifting cloud]

I got best p3 aswell but the log bugged

[limber lion]

@jaunty kayak that's correct

You got hit by the bot, but the answer is yes

One MfD with Flag, then twice on cooldown between Flags

[jaunty kayak]

aight cheers :D yy was about to retype the msg with a different word xd

[limber lion]

Every third with Flag

[drifting cloud]

cev what are your thoughts about assa first 2-3 weeks of the raid

[limber lion]

(not accounting for adds)

Of 9.2?

[drifting cloud]

ye

[limber lion]

Gonna be rough

Single lege, no tier set, Obedience

No shards

Eh

[drifting cloud]

time to practice some sub so Im not inting from 1st boss

[gusty mirage]

9.0 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo?

[limber lion]

If EoN gets hit, Sub might see a similar fate

But who knows

[drifting cloud]

whats the dps difference between the specs even without shards

it more than 1k right?

[limber lion]

No clue

[slow marsh]

I'm hoping to get a 252 veinripper and play outlaw to start the tier i think

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion go to bed

[brazen zodiac]

oh boy oh boy

[limber lion]

Already am ;)

[slow marsh]

Once we get 2p we spike a bit though. Unfort we won't really "turn on" until 4p + dusk

[hollow river]

will you ever play one of the other specs o:

[whole mason]

thanks for your reply.

[tough bridge]

Sup guys, could someone check my log and see what if I'm doing something completely wrong in the rotation please ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2kz1vyR3B4GDb8YL#fight=last&type=casts&source=8&view=timeline

[limber lion]

I've played all 3 specs in the past

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

I just default to the bleedyboys

[hollow river]

same

[brazen zodiac]

bleedy boys and girls

staby staby

[subtle gyro]

no pre pot?

[tough bridge]

I used with vendetta at 6.5s, too late ?

[hollow river]

he means agi potion

vendetta at 6s is fine

[gusty mirage]

Monsterfly Log Review

help a homie out boys

[tough bridge]

lol, i didn't realized that

[subtle gyro]

First Vanish was late in the opener as well, it looks like

[gloomy lake]

whats better for keys? sharpening stones/agi pots or shadowoil/PF pots

[balmy condor]

the first

[solid mica]

With MA and deeper do we do env-mut-mut or env-mut-finish on 4?

[oak sky]

5/6

always finish at 5 or 6

[solid mica]

Thatsbwhat i figured so we just double mut

[dense herald]

Can you keep two covenants up to date in 9.2? Or does playing/focusing on one hinder your other?
Just asking because would be good to play sub until assass “turns on” with 4p + leggo

[sonic briar]

max reown is still 80

[glass tulip]

so if you have everything fully geared out it wont require anything else

[dense herald]

Oh mad

[rain patio]

Hey fellas, which covenant is looking good for Assassination in 9.2?

[slow marsh]

venthyr -> NF

after 4p

[rain patio]

okay great, both the covenants I haven't leveled 😄

at least I have something to do until 9.2

[slow marsh]

yessir

[glass tulip]

kyrian necro gamer?

[rain patio]

Outlaw player, but wanna have the option to play Assassination

[somber hill]

anyone got a mouseover macro for marked for death that if i have a target moused over itll mfd that target if not itll do my main targ?

[low epoch]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, exists, nodead][] Marked for Death

I use this, it does what you said.

[ebon patio]

Hey everyone! Hope you are alright. Can someone lend me a hand over here to help me improve my parse? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TYJQRFV3AGhxmdtz/#fight=5&type=summary 🙏 . Be tough, np

[alpine latch]

Woot! We got The Nine down tonight 🙂

Now I have 3 shitty parses instead of 2

Wait, I'm 4/10M now.. I have 4 shitty parses, my bad

[bleak sky]

[alpine latch]

It was a solid night. Picked up Occular Gland and Daschla's

[wild beacon]

Grats any parse better than no parse

[timid cloud]

Big upgrades.

[fathom flax]

How do I orange parse on fate whilst doing mechanics

[ashen scroll]

there's no world you get a >95 by doing rings

[timid cloud]

I think it’s pretty much, don’t get both runes & then send your CD’s on the intermission adds.

[oak sky]

you for sure can get >95 doing rings

maybe not all sets but 1 or 2

and if its heroic it doesnt matter at all

[timid cloud]

What really matters is your uptime on adds & how fast you can stack your shards.

[oak sky]

what matters is gear and playing well in general

[timid cloud]

& if you can funnel.

Also true, since most of the best parses are near-BIS or are BIS.

Then you get to the top top & it’s all about externals. So that’s not even in your hands at that point.

[oak sky]

usually theres some room to catch up to most if not all the external logs with luck or just playing better than them

depends on the boss though

[timid cloud]

Also one other thing.

Pray your shards don’t go into adds when they die.

You ever lose a 100k shard to an add?

Dying mid-flight.

[oak sky]

that's why I always hesitate to consider hitting adds funneling the frost set

its really hit or miss and you cant control it

[timid cloud]

Or going into Fatescribe when he goes into his immunity. I will pass away if it happens to me anymore. You bet your sweet bippy I’m getting my ass thrown against the wall into the big boi adds ASAP to hit them & pray the targeting goes into them.

[glass tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-edd-eddy-bippy-sweet-hit-you-bet-gif-16590644

[rapid perch]

New to assasination here. Any good guide for rotation in general?

[oak sky]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

PTR wise, is the difference between theb3 specs pretty noticeable with the 4/4 sets?

[limber lion]

We can't really say for sure honestly

There's still a lot in the air in terms of balance and numbers

I think Sub is ahead in simdps with the Sylvanas daggers, but without them it falls flat

Outlaw and Assa rocking similar numbers afaik

But again, I wouldn't look into numbers whatsoever currently

[vestal wren]

i think outlaw was slightly behind still (but i am unsure if my profile was good, i did si with 1l only too)

but unsure if changing talents/legendary/covenant powers could make it catch up

sub/sin are similar or close in output without sylvanas daggers

[hollow river]

I believe Guy had Dreadblades-Venthyr simming for just under 12.5k last night

[vestal wren]

that could indeed make a noticeable difference

as i used the tier profile that is kyrian for a quick check

[hollow river]

Yeah that one was closer to 12.3k

[vestal wren]

was lower for me, but unsure if my profile is just bad gear wise

[normal mist]

Since I only have 1 hc eon I might continue playing assa in raid I guess. Recently I started to learn how to sub properly in m+ by doing some 15-20's and I actually enjoyed it

But if no eon = lower dmg...

[limber lion]

Sub is honestly still better in m+

You can just stick to sub if you like it

[frigid sleet]

in my head having vendetta every pack + potential double shiv with the vanish legendary sounds bonkers in m+

[hollow river]

Yeah I think sins prio damage will be somewhat good next season

Don’t think it’ll keep up with sub though unfortunately

[vestal wren]

assassination does sacrafice less dps for prio tho

similar to outlaw

[frigid sleet]

I wonder how much vendetta cd reduction you get from fighting a 5 pack for 45-55sec

[whole mason]

V's cd reduction is capped based on energy spending.

[hollow river]

I mean you won’t be able to do much else during Vendetta next season anyway

[hollow escarp]

gonna suck in raging weeks

[hollow river]

So idk if you’d lose damage tbh

[frigid sleet]

if vendetta is reduced to a 1 min cd on single target, assuming you get infinite energy regen and spend a ton in pack wouldnt you get vendetta back faster

[cerulean junco]

Will have haste buff as well from woe

[frigid sleet]

• the vanish legendary that reduce CD too, potentialy

[timid cloud]

[sinful cradle]

That would mean 2 standard lego

[hollow escarp]

that would cost you the big CDR legendary

[timid cloud]

Don't forget, you are tied to 1 standard legendary, & the covenant legendary.

[slow marsh]

Shadowdust is decent in m+ only because you can back to back shiv

But prolly not worth saccing dusk for

[cerulean junco]

Every 2 minutes

[whole mason]

infinite energy for you, considering using mut all the time, you're doing 1+(50/30) for each second as cd passing for V. 120/(1+(50/30))=45. When you're doing FoK and finisher, you're not spending 50 en per sec. which only leads to more cd on V. For reality, it is somehow not just about how much energy you have.

[timid cloud]

Just use Zold & call it a day.

[slow marsh]

Na it's def dusk

[frigid sleet]

I actually wasnt aware about the 1 standard legendary + the covenant legendary restriction

[brazen zodiac]

good morning

[cerulean junco]

Gm

[whole mason]

is there any plan nerfing EoN next patch?

[timid cloud]

Nope.

[slow marsh]

Prolly not

[timid cloud]

Unless they absolutely gut it, Sub will still use it.

They were just having a conversation about it in #subtlety

[whole mason]

i hope they are not going to push new daggers

[slow marsh]

The logic is they didn't nerf divers folly, razor coral or font so why nerf the pseudo legendary dagger

Outlaw would also use it in oh I believe

Sin is the only one who wouldn't

[timid cloud]

Only reason they didn't nerf Divers is because the Fisty weapons were so much stronger in the end unless it was a massive pack & you used the cancel-weakaura for it.

It's been too long since I've had to think about it.

[whole mason]

i thought sin would use it for a while until something good, right?

[slow marsh]

I mean regardless it'd be kinda silly imo to put such an awesome weapon in the game just to nerf it out

[timid cloud]

But it was

[slow marsh]

Sin would use it until mythic dagger

[timid cloud]

Sin loves weapon damage.

Still using it on Prog would be kinda big though.

[slow marsh]

Unfort we don't really have as much finished spam as the other two specs to make it Uber good

[timid cloud]

At least for OH

[slow marsh]

Yeah for aure

Early it'll be nice

We'll need all the upfront power we can get until we get 2p

[timid cloud]

I'll keep them in my bags until the end of days after they become obsolete, or until I play Sub again.

[vestal wren]

they did however nerf convergence of fate, they did dissable domination gems, etc.

so while its correct that there are cases that certain items remained strong, there are similar ones that they didn't

[dark token]

CoF was still used in the tier after NH

[vestal wren]

that was because it was still insanely strong even with reduced proc chance

would be the same if sylvanas dagger was nerfed, it would be possible that it still would be used on subtlety due to how well it can utilized the proc while it might fall out of favor on assassination

but its very hard to predict 9.2 changes

[wind hull]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[wind hull]

what leggo should you use as NF sin?

other than the cov one

[brazen zodiac]

duskwalkers

the pins will tell u everything u and ur best friends gotta know

[wind hull]

thanks

[balmy condor]

will it tell them that they're cute and loved

[lucid birch]

They should

[brazen zodiac]

absolutely ! :)

and if they don't then i sure will

[brazen zodiac]

hope ur day is rad

[gusty mirage]

[loud mason]

finisher at 4 or 5 cp?

[bleak sky]

Max-1

[agile geode]

whispyr

can you ask to blizzard to rework deathspike?

[rugged flare]

Hey guys, if Im just now getting into rogue, should I make the venthyr leggo or doomblade? This is assuming 9.2 will be out by the time I actually have some gear

[hollow river]

If you’re trying to prep for assassination 9.2 you should get Night Fae renown up

[rugged flare]

Really? I didnt see that coming

[hollow river]

Our legendaries are changing as well but we don’t know which slot we will be crafting 100% for sure yet

[rugged flare]

Ah ok

[hollow river]

We’re going to be using Duskwalkers once we have our 4 piece

[sinful citrus]

Prior to getting the 4pc we would just be going obedience right?

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[sinful citrus]

Ok cool since Simpkins got nerfed I'm allowed to go back to rogue 🤣

[rugged flare]

I dont have either covenant up so I was wondering if it would be a good idea to go venthyr first get obidience as my first leggo on back, then level up night fae so that at one point I would get doomblade or whatever other leggo we would use with nightfae belt

[rugged flare]

lol I was a mistweaver

[sinful citrus]

Renown is easy to farm up in torghast

I was rogue until kt and sylv prog and no one else had a boomie leveled and geared at all so I had to take one for the team

[rugged flare]

Do you just run a layer 1?

[sinful citrus]

9

[rugged flare]

ok, coulkd I solo?

[sinful citrus]

Stealth to the end and blow up the boss

[rugged flare]

interesting

Im like rogue even more

[hollow river]

Were never going to use Doomblade

[rugged flare]

Oh wow, Im glad I came here. I guess guides are outdated

[hollow river]

And it’s really up to you

[rugged flare]

but Obediece is a safe one for now right?

[hollow river]

If you want to play the most optimal stuff right now and in the very beginning of 9.2 then Venthyr Obedience is the play

Then go Night Fae and Duskwalkers Patch leggo after you get your 4 set

[spice spire]

For Assa-Chan:

[rugged flare]

thanks

[hollow river]

Check the pins here and check #9.2 Feedback and Discussion pins

For the most up to date info

[strange python]

If you wanna be super optimal sub is prob the play till 4set

Frost set loss is gonna be gross for sin

[hollow river]

No way of knowing that yet

[keen plaza]

Hello guys i am going to rerooll into a rogue probably whats the recent Lego/Covenant for assassinanation?

[strange python]

You theoretically don't know that obedience won't get a 99% nerf yet, either.

[gusty mirage]

Sub has a higher baseline than assassination does

[strange python]

Subs best source of borrowed power (deeper daggers with edge of night) is sticking around

Sins is deactivated

[hollow river]

Scroll up we were just talking about it 🙂

[rugged flare]

lmao

[strange python]

Unless tuning is truly bizarre, sub has a higher chance of being stronger on day 1

[rugged flare]

Look up my questions a few minutes ago

[keen plaza]

yeah sorry didnt notice ty xD

[gusty mirage]

It will be regardless of tuning unless sin gets another aura buff

[rugged flare]

Well subs is better right now anyways correct? As long as I do pretty good in raids Im cool with nerfs

I just wanted to play a dmg spec that does some respectable dmg

[strange python]

Sin and sub are very close right now.

[gusty mirage]

Just cry with us here in assassination, we have cookies

[hollow river]

PTR isn’t done yet so that’s why I said what I said

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rugged flare]

xD well in any case this class discord is a lot nicer than other ones

[gusty mirage]

And we have @limber lion and he’s handsome af

[strange python]

Where are you coming from?

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

inb4 dh disc

[strange python]

Most class discords are cesspools of human refuse

I was thinking Boomie

Kekw

[gusty mirage]

I need this emote

[spice spire]

Definitely dh diwcord

[rugged flare]

Yeah the druid one is pretty bad

[gusty mirage]

GIVE NOW PLS

[spice spire]

Bahwoo, do you need link?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-cat-cute-kitty-begging-gif-16177120

[strange python]

Why so big

[gusty mirage]

Dunno

[strange python]

I'm on mobile

That's my entire screen rn

LOL

[spice spire]

Juice has been given

[gusty mirage]

I am too and it’s enormous lmao

[bleak sky]

never heard that in my entire life

[spice spire]

Bullshit

I’ve seen the damage numbers

[hollow river]

How everyone is having a wonderful Friday

[gusty mirage]

Yo are we identical twins?

[hollow river]

[rugged flare]

wonderful so far

[bleak sky]

waiting for poe to open and then friday is good

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Did you take a kindred aff this time?

Also, praise the KA nerfs

[bleak sky]

no KA nerfs bad

[gusty mirage]

KA nerfs great

[bleak sky]

we were about to have 2 simpboomies in raid

[gusty mirage]

Now make PI a personal CD

[strange python]

I was 5th in line for KA nerfs

[bleak sky]

it would've been glorious oxi

[gusty mirage]

And we Gucci

[spice spire]

How?!

[hollow river]

Same

😦

[strange python]

It was going to enh>mage (GM)>locks>me

[gusty mirage]

You’re already #1 in asp in my heart, is that not good enough?

[bleak sky]

it is

[spice spire]

That list should be:
Mage > you (if you’re assassination)

[strange python]

It's biggest for enh

By a good bit

[gusty mirage]

Ye enhancement gets a fuck ton from KA next patch

[spice spire]

Right now?

Or next tier

[strange python]

No next patch

[spice spire]

Ohhhhh

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

Listen bro we make the wft bots happy

[spice spire]

I thought you meant now

[gusty mirage]

If they’re happy, we’re happy

[spice spire]

I was

[junior rampart]

Yea! Finally enhance getting some nice love. Lol

[spice spire]

Hope enhance is a top tier spec

They deserve

[gusty mirage]

I love all enhancement shaman

[spice spire]

For being a homie

[gusty mirage]

With or without wft

[spice spire]

But I also might have to be arms next tier

[gusty mirage]

Cuz someone hurt them and they need the love

[spice spire]

So I really want them to be happy

[junior rampart]

Yea! My alt is enhance shaman. Feels really nice to play

[strange python]

Our Boomie is bored of simping, no more KA this tier for our guild. I only got it on Guardian and Eye once :( rip the all star dream. Don't think I can get much above ~60 without

[gusty mirage]

You make me sick

[spice spire]

???

[strange python]

Arms seems giga easy tbh...kinda jealous

[spice spire]

You can get above 60 without

[gusty mirage]

Imagine not playing fury

[slow marsh]

imagine not playing fury

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

jinx

[spice spire]

Rn it’s managing resources tbh haste not high enough

[gusty mirage]

Double jinx you owe me a soda

[spice spire]

Imagine being in agreement with known mad man icebladesx-thrall

[strange python]

We slow push sylv and I don't get a second flag/vend p1. Not sure I can get my overall all star much higher than it is

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Fury’s for the chad warriors

I don’t make the rules. Sorry man

[spice spire]

Arms is omegachill

[slow marsh]

pshhhhhh madman only when there's no content to keep me sane

[spice spire]

I have to do raid call outs homie

Can’t have 5 bajillion things on screen

[gusty mirage]

You literally leveled and geared a survival hunter

[slow marsh]

Geared is a loose term ok

[spice spire]

That was his most sane take

[strange python]

I wanna play warrior sometimes :( shout, rally, always at least decently strong, seems braindead easy

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Also still in line with the "no content" bit

[spice spire]

Nah this isn’t a diss

Survival is a goat class

[gusty mirage]

If you can halfway use your buttons, easy gladiator title and mount too

[spice spire]

The tier they’re oppressive will be GOATED

[grave trail]

With arms you need a swing timer tho to min max that is lol

[strange python]

I swore off gladiator when ghostcrawler killed 2v2 to save 5v5

Now I play LoL and sc2 like a degenerate

[gusty mirage]

Worked out great for him, can’t wait for the riot mmo

[strange python]

XD

[spice spire]

Less than 36 hours played total on warrior ever, good to possibly know

[gusty mirage]

5v5 was the most glorious shit show in wow pvp ever

[strange python]

I'm going to roll a Human Cosby Room

[spice spire]

This is getting sketch homies

[strange python]

5v5 was never balance able and I'm still tilted they killed 2v2 to save it

How to 5v5: get as many ele shamans as possible.

[gusty mirage]

True

Also rez your dead teammates 10 times

Win

[strange python]

"what's your team comp do?" "Lol we press lava burst and grounding totem so they can't interrupt"

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Rank 1 5s team on bg9 in season 6 was a group that couldn't even get duelist in 2s/3s

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire when is quakewar doing his glad push?

[spice spire]

Damn

Never

Tho I can see why it would be good

Die by the sword is kinda busted ngl

[brazen zodiac]

sup quakeroats

[spice spire]

Suh dude

[brazen zodiac]

zzz

[bleak sky]

I still don't know if ice trap or seismic trap exsang

[gusty mirage]

Those are for sure words

[brazen zodiac]

i thought they gutted seismic and exsang

[bleak sky]

10% nerf is not that big

[brazen zodiac]

didnt they nerf clusters by like half

yeah but like

clusters was p pog

[bleak sky]

oh clusters yeah

but it's still fine

[brazen zodiac]

my bf rolled tier 1 max life on stygian belt

then stopped playing lul

too lazy to get 100

[bleak sky]

depressing indeed

[brazen zodiac]

hes making me play poison conc

[strange python]

My friend asked me to review his logs and I watched him vendetta>rupture>flag and I'm v sad

[brazen zodiac]

f

[limber lion]

You're one to talk, hottie

[cerulean nest]

is it worth getting benevolent faeries during p2 Sylv?

for both burns?

[limber lion]

What is worth to you?

You get full Vendetta casts for both burns that way, but that means you got an external

And you join the infamous external-gang

If it is for progress and no one else gets use out of it, yes, it is very much worth it

[cerulean nest]

thats what i mean, for prog

im top boss damage by a lot already, so figure it would probably work out nicely

just wondering if itll throw off any other timings for myself later in the fight

[limber lion]

It won't.

It'll just mean you use your Vendetta 10s earlier during p2

So long as it aligns well with lust in p3, you're gucci

Holding it for that is completely fine, even if it's 10 secs more because of BF

Make sure to use Vanish after the waves (or after Veil)

Vanish will be offset by a bit

[cerulean nest]

alright for sure

so having it for both p2 burns, will i be able to use it again before lust? or literally holding it during all of p3 until that happens

lusting 3rd platform im assuming

[uneven summit]

What´s the consesus, NF or Venth for 9.2

[hexed frost]

Necro

[uneven summit]

So Kyrian?

[tiny root]

Hey All! apologies if this has been discussed, bur was unable to find anything on this. Should we recraft our leggos that are on non-optimal pieces, like cloaks, for 9.2? SInce we only need four tier pieces should we recraft leggos to the piece without ideal stats? or one that is harder to get?

[storm onyx]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hollow river]

No, that would be insanely bad

You should get 3 Vendettas off in p3. Always holding until right after a Veil cast.

This will let your 3rd Vendetta be during lust, halfway through it or so. Which will still get your full Vendetta in lust. You should be lusting 4th platform around 13:30ish if its prog

[cerulean nest]

perfect

[hexed frost]

Does sub does more damage for pure single target(without funneling)?

[tiny root]

those resources are for 9.1 - unless im missing something I dont see anything for 9.2 leggo armor pieces

[slow marsh]

Because we don't have the answers yet

[tiny root]

okay - was asking

[hollow river]

Depends on a lot of stuff

[slow marsh]

It'll probably end up eventually being dusk on chest or soemthing but just depends on tier stat distribution

[hollow river]

Gear, weapons, covenants etc

[tiny root]

for sure - that makes total sense. I just made another leggo on a cloak and was like "hmm should i even be doing this"

[hexed frost]

Assume equally geared with ideal stats

[hollow river]

Then sub sims higher

[slow marsh]

Sin does more ST with externals currently and sub does more without anything with daggers

But it's fairly irrelevant since it moreso depends on how fights play out

along with comfortability

[hollow river]

Yep

I think in 9.2 even if sin sims a little lower it will still be the best prog spec

[slow marsh]

It's a common misconception yeah

[hollow river]

And with the tier bonuses buffing bleed damage and CDR on Vendetta from Dusk, downtime will affect us slightly less than it does right now

[slow marsh]

I mean imo it's just gonna come down to timers again

[hexed frost]

Ahh yeah forgot about the daggers. How does sub do without any daggers or with only 1 dagger?

[slow marsh]

Pretty close. Just gotta sim yourself tbh

[hollow river]

True true

[slow marsh]

I have 1 mythic EoN and sub still only sims roughly +200 over my obedience + CT sin profile

[hollow river]

Just hoping that since our CDR isn’t dependent fully on uptime we’ll be a bit stronger for prog

[slow marsh]

and within 100 of dashing

Everyone is dependent on uptime

That's not what makes sin a good prog spec

Sin is generally deemed better for prog because it's slower apm so you can pay attention to mechanics without messing up your rotatino.

With the tier set though it speeds up and get pretty crazy in multi target so i'm suspecting all 3 specs to be on an even playing field in terms of progging

[hollow river]

You act like I don’t know that

I’m just saying I’m being hopeful for that in 9.2 🙂

Multi target does hold its own issues though yeah

Probably the 1 thing that feels bad about the tier set

1 minute burst is also going to be pretty damn good I’m assuming

[plucky void]

how is the assa in 9.2 for m+?

[hexed frost]

1 min vendetta

No holding vendetta

also shadowblade and adrenaline procs from sepsis

and 2-pc shiv debuff

It's good

[plucky void]

thanks

[unborn needle]

What slots are the go to for leggos in 9.2? About to craft Duskwalker's this weekend and want to make sure it's on the right slot.

[dense bramble]

does necrotic wound get affected by our mastery or anything?

from domination affix

tormented*? in m+

[cerulean junco]

I think duskwalkers goes on ring. May be best to wait until closer to patch for definite answer since there is no benefit crafting early

[hollow river]

We don’t know yet

Yeah wait until closer to patch

[oak sky]

Tbh

[hollow river]

You don’t even need Duskwalkers until after you have 4 set

[oak sky]

You dont even need it until you get your 4 pc

[hollow river]

So kinda pointless yeah

[unborn needle]

Just trying to make sure I have enough to craft it. Also, do we need Ash/Cinders to make our 2nd leggo, or just the new Cosmic Flux?

[hollow river]

The belt is free

[dense bramble]

or we don't know?

[hollow river]

After that I think you need ash cinders and flux

[unborn needle]

Thanks

[hollow river]

If you change it’s slot you need all 3 I’d assume

But just to upgrade it to max ilvl prolly just flux. If you keep the belt and it’s not max ilvl from the jump

[hexed frost]

Obediance till 4 piece or toxic onslaught?

[hollow river]

Obedience

[oak sky]

TO isnt really that strong you only run it with 4p+ double leggo

[hexed frost]

Wish me luck for my 22 DoS key

[ebon notch]

assa in pf tyrannical is bussin

ive been converted

no longer sub only andy

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

when the garrote crits for 4K

[daring rover]

Im a new Assassin Rogue ....
Ive been reading guides, and watching vids, and looking through logs.... I honest to god cant understand what the best Legendary to create right now is . Most classes/specs is super straight forward. I am much confuse

[hexed frost]

sim

[daring rover]

Thats actually a horrible answer lol.

[solid venture]

Not really

[daring rover]

So to you , me being only ilvl 208 , i should sim and it will tell me what the end game optimal legendary is ?

[ebon notch]

[daring rover]

https://tenor.com/view/hm-ok-benedict-cumberbatch-gif-15440907

[hexed frost]

I use zoldyck in M+ because it sims higher for me in DSlice. Most use Obedience because it sims higher for them

[versed mica]

What covenant are you?

[daring rover]

venth

[solid venture]

Just sim yourself with obedience and dashing, assuming u are venthyr

[hexed frost]

craft obedience at this stage then

[solid venture]

Most likely obedience will be better at your ilvl

[versed mica]

Obedience or dashing. Obedience if you plan on playing any sub too for sure

[daring rover]

i dont care about this ilvl really, sims are based on choices, i want to know what the best sims are for the best choices lo

llol

[versed mica]

Obedience is a good rounded choice

[daring rover]

but the guides are mixed and varied

guides are supposed to assume best circumstances

[hexed frost]

Are there any doomblade appreciators in this channel?

[solid venture]

I played necro up until after prog

[versed mica]

Doomblade gamers be like

Fix necro leggo

[hexed frost]

Necro+Doomblade+Exsanguate gamer uprising now

[clever kindle]

Very few bosses in this game give you a perfect scenario and various talents excel in different spots, some guide writers will give you the best generic stuff to use, others will give you targeted advice for single target, multi target, but even then that might not match up with the reality of your gameplay

So best thing is to just take a good look over the few talents and leggos swap between, but everything is pretty close

[daring rover]

Very true. but even the guides sound conflicted for general advice.

Whoever wrote Icey Veins makes it seem like Zoldycks is best overall.

[clever kindle]

For m+ maybe

[daring rover]

but literally cant find a rogue in the top 200 running that for mythic or Raid

[hexed frost]

For M+ it is sort of

[clever kindle]

standalone its not bad, but Doomblade, obedience, and dashing scoundrel are the primary choices

think about it this way, sin at the moment actually has a choice with your gameplay style, all of the 'subspecs' are viable

[daring rover]

yeah i mean as far as problems go

this is a good one to have to have

[clever kindle]

Dashing scoundrel focuses on crits and juicing your Winds damage, doomblade was tried and true and is still fine, etc. Then next patch we're going to be using duskwalkers

plus the leggo belt

[daring rover]

so this choice is null in a month

[slow marsh]

not really, you'll have to progress raid with somehting

[dense bramble]

here mate

[dense bramble]

i still do

[dense bramble]

you will wear what you choose now until you get 4pc from raiding, will take a while

regarding the 4pc, question:

will our bleeds tick faster and proc poisonous wounds faster or will it only deal double damage?

[versed mica]

That's your problem, I'm pretty sure the rogue theory crafters all write for wowhead, idk who writes the guides for icyveins

[daring rover]

That may be the case lo l

[sonic schooner]

Topic from 20mn ago ; I was Necro doomblade UH set until 2 weeks after 9.1.5 hit

Sbs missed twice on pull, I loved that I did dreams about it

:pepeclown-1:

[gusty mirage]

Seli does

[dense bramble]

i'm necro since shadowlands came and never pulled with sbs

[gusty mirage]

[sonic schooner]

[oak sky]

Seli

[slow marsh]

6. Changelog
   02 Nov. 2021:

hasn't updated the legendary section in a bit

I see where he's coming from saying that zold is probably the best overall legendary

Even though it's obedience, he prolly doesn't want to force people into venth

[gusty mirage]

smh

necrolord fans

[slow marsh]

ikr

[trim zinc]

should i delay shiv for vendetta, or slam it on cd?? (sorry i stoped playing middle CN and back now so im kinda lost)

[hollow river]

Delay it up to 12 seconds

So if vendetta is 12 seconds away from being off CD then you can delay

But other than that you want to slam it on CD

[harsh juniper]

Much more succinct than what I was trying to type up.

[trim zinc]

ty so much mate ❤️

[subtle kiln]

don’t make me punch you in the junk

[ebon lichen]

Where can i get a decent pair of daggers for an alt? Been running necrotic wake trying to get one of those, so far 0/20. Currently have the campaign dagger and 1 pvp off hand

[zinc frost]

Korthia?

[glass tulip]

LFR Sylv

[bleak sky]

yes

[ebon lichen]

Do you mean farming stygia and buying the boa?

[zinc frost]

Yeah, or if you got an alt buy the weapon token with stygian then use research on your rogue to upgrade it.

[fathom flax]

As soon as patch hits and dom shards are gone, we chuck on obedience right?

[strange python]

Yep. Or doomblade.

But obe highly likely to be outright better

[fathom flax]

I’d only run DB as necro

And that’s not gonna happen 😦

I just want a shield for prog

[strange python]

Sub will almost definitely be better for prog.

[fathom flax]

I would disagree except for first boss/anduin

But we will wait and see

[strange python]

P sure after the nerfs that sub has higher baseline strength and lower borrowed power strength (second leggo and set nerf). Unless sin winds up absurd or there's some wild tuning changes, sub would be theoretically better until 4set+leggo

[fathom flax]

Yeah fully, if you’re in a guild that clears at least somewhat quickly you’ll get to that’s point early enough

[fathom flax]

Also with crit being devalued are we seeing haste/mastery come back like nyalotha or do we still want that crit for cps

Is shadow blade mutilate 3 cps non crit or 4?

Also whisp on wowhead wrote sync up sepsis and shiv, is that real? Lose X casts but the damage gain of every sepsis under shiv is better?

I am having a slow day at work

[vital wind]

is assass still the lowest APM rogue spec?

[fathom flax]

Yes

[vital wind]

just coming back after not playing for a while and I remember this spec not hurting my hands lol

thanks!

[fathom flax]

Outlaw will give you RSI and sub less so

[oak sky]

whatever whispyr wrote has been simmed

[oak sky]

pretty sure mastery gains value but crit and haste are still our main 2 stats

[fathom flax]

Thank you frand

I wasn’t doubting our lord and saviour, just making sure I am interpreting it correctly

[oak sky]

thats why the rest of us are here to clear up everything 🙂

[marble hemlock]

That's cause it doesn't need updating. Zoldyck, overall when looking at both ST and Raids, is the "best" "overall" choice. Just cause people spend 99,9% of their time trying to optimize their Patchwerk sims, doesn't mean that those results are the best overall choice.

Anyone who actually wants to educate themselves will read further and realize, that it is not the best choice for single-target. The problem is that people nitpick guides all the time, and I have to try to give advice for people who the guide is largely aimed at - which is beginners and low-intermediate players. People who may not play the best covenant or only have gold for 1 legendary. Would you recommend Doomblade or Dashing to someone who wants to play M+ and Raid without switching legendaries while enjoying playing Kyrian?

[bleak sky]

I mean if they're playing kyrian they're probably not playing sin anyway right

[marble hemlock]

People keep forgetting that written guides mostly aim at entry-level players, and people who want to improve further will eventually find their way onto raidbots or the discord and will move beyond the basic informational level. Someone raiding top200 isn't gonna read a guide on IV or Wowhead to find out what is best right now but he will use a medium that is more well suited for current information, i.e. Discord, than a written guide.

Not everyone has a minmaxing mindset

Idk why people keep forgetting, that the moment they join this discord to take part in discussions about optimizing their character, they're entering the top 1% of players

And that there's another 99% out there who are just doing some worldquests once in a while, maybe some petbattle, maybe play a +5 with their friends and do an LFR wing or two.

[bleak sky]

that's true and depressing kinda at the same time

[marble hemlock]

Why?

[bleak sky]

pet battles

pokémon is just better

[marble hemlock]

What's depressing about people enjoying the game they want to? I'm jealous of that

Imagine not "feeling forced" to switch a covenant due to a new TC finding, or because Blizzard has decided to buff a covenant legendary. You enjoy grinding 40 renown because all of a sudden a dead covenant is gonna be the best one?

The guy minding his own business and doing pet battles is playing the game and smiling. Are you?

[slow marsh]

Idk why you're going on this rant when I said pretty much exactly what you just did but respect for feeling the need to defend it further

[marble hemlock]

Cause youre assuming I was too lazy to update the section in a while

[slow marsh]

No you're assuming that I assumed

[bleak sky]

I wouldn't be smiling either way so

[slow marsh]

Other people were being sus about it and I tried to defend it within reason

[marble hemlock]

Sometimes I just wish people would stop projecting their understanding and expectation of how the game should be played onto everybody else, and instead tried to understand that other people might have different priorities and that those might be the reason for differing information or recommendations.

And I'm not saying that to any of you in particular, it's just a general annoyance I've had for a while with the parse-culture people.

[slow marsh]

Well I can understand that and I get why it's frustrating

[oak sky]

when was the guide last updated?

like a month ago?

thats not bad at all

[marble hemlock]

I proofread it about once a week.

[oak sky]

yeah like

as long as its updated its not really a problem

if your philosophy on guides was a problem thats for IV to decide

[marble hemlock]

I mean, I'm not mad or anything, it's just a bit asinine to assume that just because it says "last updated - 2021" that no effort was being made to check the information again since then

[oak sky]

I do think its fair to expect an update at least every big patch which I'm sure you do

[slow marsh]

Well just cuz I said that the section hadn't been updated does mean I was saying you're lazy either

[oak sky]

I dont really look at the IV guide though

[slow marsh]

I was mostly typing as I was thinking in response to the question that was given

Which was why does the guide recommend zold as overall when said person didn't see it anywhere in top 200 logs, first thing I do is pull guide to see for myself what context they're seeing it in. I see change log 2021, then light bulb that actually yeah zold probably is best overall across all content and covenants

[marble hemlock]

Basically, it's pretty much impossible to have a written guide that caters to people of all proficiency levels. So a conscious decision was made that written guides would serve for entry-level and intermediate players, you know, the people who type "whats the best covenant" into google and hoping for a quick answer.

People who wanna go beyond that typically find information elsewhere, or switch to a medium that is better suited to deal with current questions and live information.

[slow marsh]

I didn't mean it in any way as a sleight to you seli I know you work hard at giving the best info to us

[marble hemlock]

Sorry if I came across as overly confrontational, wasn't my intention. It's just annoying when something doesn't line up with the information provided on the discord or a guide that is catered towards a higher level of skill/raiders in particular, and people immediately jump to conclusions or try to compare the quality of guides. There's always been a feud between the readers of different guides, meanwhile the writers don't seem to have one. It's weird.

[slow marsh]

It's ok I can handle it. I'd rather deal with the confrontation and come to a better understanding which I believe is what we've done 😊

[marble hemlock]

Dw, what I think of you has not changed after this.

[slow marsh]

I can totally understand your frustration and sympathize with your point

Ha well that's good? I think 🤔 jk lol

[bleak sky]

your guide is good

it's not this guide for example

[balmy condor]

As a Writer of a different guide who doesn’t seem to have a feud, fuck you I’ll start one

[marble hemlock]

Hows your zdps build coming along?

[balmy condor]

Great, how’s your 5am alarm from your cat coming along

[slow marsh]

Isn't that like monk with all mantras type of build

I tried that once and didnt like it

[marble hemlock]

Wrong game

[slow marsh]

O

[oak sky]

i<3noxxic

getting that tatooed

[bleak sky]

make it a lower back tattoo

[oak sky]

i was thinking ass

[bleak sky]

good choice

[marble hemlock]

But yeah in any case, I'm sure both Whispyr and I always wanna get pinged when theres questions or potential issues with the guides.

I'm sure peoples thought of Zoldyck as a raid legendary would've been quite a bit different if we didn't have a dogshit raidtier where the last 3/4 bosses didn't have a proper last phase.

[strange python]

Hi, just finished 80 renown on Venthyr, which other Cov is looking good for Raiding in 9.2 that i should get to max level?

[bleak sky]

fae

[strange python]

fae... so from shit tier to top tier. guess i should get levelling. cheers

[midnight atlas]

that is not even good for leveling kekw

[timid cloud]

Remember when Zold was the move for like 1 day on Sire then everyone was just like, okay, time to play Doomblade.

(Some slight exaggeration there of course.)

[versed mica]

is that noxxic?

[dense bramble]

i wish @marble hemlock was my dad

just love him now

[marble hemlock]

[winter gale]

Hello guys. I am back to the game after Castle Nathria. Is assa way to go for SoD?

For this time that we still have with the raid?

[dawn ivy]

you can play all three specs

[drifting cloud]

all 3 specs are good in the raid

[dawn ivy]

LITERALLY any rogue spec you land on right now is a good chooice, sin being probably the best choice if you have to choose one

[winter gale]

Ty

I also preffer it

And for covenants, is Venthyr good for the raid?

Ill just check the guild I guess ;D

[dawn ivy]

yeah

for this current raid, venthyr is BiS

going into the next patch you might want to raise Night Fae renown as we might also be playing that

kyrian is also very good if youre looking for sub/outlaw gameplay

[celest ruin]

is it worth touching adds on p1 sylv? or are they just mfd fodders?

[umbral tulip]

In my experience DPS wise its not worth, but if you are dying to them you will have to kill them

[dawn ivy]

if youre close to a set of arrows, do SOME form of damage to them (fan if youre really close) to give you the frost set shard activation