assassination

[foggy thicket]

Now = after this PTR build

[gusty mirage]

🔮

[bleak sky]

my man the patch just hit

let the info sink in

and let balance changes happen

[safe wigeon]

does anyone know who got world first jailer?

[tidal gorge]

"No" then, got it

[foggy thicket]

Balance sucks now

Kek

[solid venture]

Blizzard pls 9.2 release date I beg

[limber lion]

Now = Now

Now =/= In a month

[proper summit]

anvil gaming i think

[limber lion]

But no, we don't know anything about ptr numbers

and anything

and everything can

and will

change

[bleak sky]

CHANGES BAD GIVE VERDICT NOW

[spice spire]

Leaking release dates mr. Ceverion?

[gusty mirage]

you're still stinky

thanks forcoming to my ptr ted talk

[bleak sky]

true but what about the game oxi

[gusty mirage]

oh

[bleak sky]

pick a class and tell me it's fotm

[gusty mirage]

outlaw's still capped omegalul stay mad nerds

I'll be here all week

[brazen zodiac]

kfnai

lfmao

[hollow river]

but if it does considerably more damage you'd be playing it too

[brazen zodiac]

pfft u think that?

i aint ever coming a pirate

[hollow river]

think it?

i know it

[brazen zodiac]

pfft

[hollow river]

oh i meant oxi

[brazen zodiac]

over me dead goblin body

oxi's the same

sin otp

[gusty mirage]

you don't say

[brazen zodiac]

4life

based

[hollow river]

oxi was pirate main 9.0

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

oxi so cute

tbh

[limber lion]

oh look, it looks like we're holding hands

[gusty mirage]

just like irl

[brazen zodiac]

[gusty mirage]

3min 47s

colour built diffy

holy shit

best part about the screenshot tho?

0 externals

[limber lion]

Yeh

I'm trying out a new extension that filters out all external parses

[brazen zodiac]

?

[limber lion]

[brazen zodiac]

wym

[oak sky]

No balancing yet right only tier changes

[gusty mirage]

damn bro don't expose me like that

[brazen zodiac]

shit man

why u lying to us rogues

is that how u treat yo brothers and sisters?!?!?

[gusty mirage]

I'm being thematic tf

I'm literally playing a legendary with the word scoundrel in it

[brazen zodiac]

based

oxi do u play LoL

all pro rogue team lesgo?

[gusty mirage]

nah that game sucks

or I suck at it

either way no

[oak sky]

You suck at it

Mad cuz bad

[brazen zodiac]

xdd

[gusty mirage]

mad cuz account got hacked, sold, I recovered, then riot perma banned it

[oak sky]

Lol

[gusty mirage]

for "account sharing"

mfer I got HACKED

[bleak sky]

other classes are getting tuned

[brazen zodiac]

LOOOL

[bleak sky]

covenant nerfs at least

[brazen zodiac]

i got perma'd by accident then when i contacted their support team they said "yeah this was an accident we're so sorry but when an account gets perm'd its gone for good. heres 3000 rp"

thx riot

that makes up for the mere 2-3k i spent over the 6 years :)

[echo geyser]

oxi

[oak sky]

I got 2w banned once

[brazen zodiac]

f

[plush isle]

you can click on the buff tab and all logs with externals will be hidden, or do you want to change the rankingnumbers ?

[limber lion]

it's an extension that hides all the external things from my sight

and that's all I want

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[glass tulip]

Am I late to the party finding out KA got gutted?

[oak sky]

yeah

good riddance

[cerulean nest]

😦

[limber lion]

Great news all around.

[cerulean nest]

i had a simp all lined up

[frosty cedar]

parses are saved

[oak sky]

whens our tuning pass

[slow marsh]

When they do bug fixes

Will be our tuning pass

[echo geyser]

u need to buy ultimate xbox gamepass to get ur spec tuned

[oak sky]

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

ill take one for the team and reroll boomie but never buy gamepass

[echo geyser]

im getting to prog as now

[oak sky]

i probably need to practice it sometime

[echo geyser]

but nf sin seems kinda bussin too

i like soulshape a lot

[oak sky]

meh

[kindred rapids]

Is outlaw really the play now? Was thinking sub.

[oak sky]

dont care about covenant really

who knows tuning isnt done yet as far as we know

[limber lion]

Nf sin king

[kindred rapids]

uh, I don't think there's likely to be more tuning

if patch is the 22nd

[novel arrow]

Guys

We are back!

[oak sky]

is it on the 22nd

[novel arrow]

because Sub got nerfed

!

[oak sky]

not really

[kindred rapids]

not by enough

their tier is worse but baseline is better

[frosty cedar]

fix poison bug then I'm happy

[novel arrow]

Its ok

[frosty cedar]

how it's stil a thing is beyond me

[novel arrow]

It wont make me feel bad playing assa

[echo geyser]

?

[kindred rapids]

just a likely date

[oak sky]

i never heard that

[kindred rapids]

I've heard then or the week after

[oak sky]

its all speculation, just like the idea that there will be 0 tuning before mythic week

[kindred rapids]

yeah, anything could happen

that's always the case

[slow marsh]

Kinda weird that outlaw is more consistent than sub now

[kindred rapids]

I just wouldn't necessarily expect sin buffs at this point

[slow marsh]

Na we don't need buffs outright

Bug fixes

[kindred rapids]

like with poison reapplication?

or something else

haven't heard a lot about sin bugs

[oak sky]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[slow marsh]

That + TO / sepsis bugs

[bleak sky]

200 dps

[gusty mirage]

whats the sepsis bug

[oak sky]

there isnt one

its intended as far as we know isnt it

[slow marsh]

Idk to me it's a bug until confirmed intended

That's how QA works

[oak sky]

i seriously doubt its supposed to give stealth effects honestly

[gusty mirage]

it used to just put you in stealth

was neat

[slow marsh]

I mean it's kind of a pointless effect if that's the case

Allowing a use of a stealth ability should trigger stealth effects

[gusty mirage]

I mean not really

it's not necessarily pointless

[oak sky]

we get ambush now i guess

[slow marsh]

Also

The thing that makes it a bug to me

[glass tulip]

Doesn't the tooltip say it gives you a use of a stealth ability, or am I missing something

[slow marsh]

Is that it triggers iron wire

[gusty mirage]

is that it applies iron wire but not subterfuge?

well read the tooltip for subterfuge

[slow marsh]

It's inconsistent so that's why it's a bug imo. If they confirm that it's not supposed to trigger subt then it shouldn't trigger iron wire either

[gusty mirage]

subterfuge buff comes up for 3s after you break stealth

sepsis doesn't give you stealth

so afaik it's not a bug

[slow marsh]

But the iron wire part is

Iron wire procs from silence, garrote only silences when used from stealth

[glass tulip]

That seems just like spaghetti code

[gusty mirage]

well no, iron wire just extends the garrote silence and applies a DR to their abilities

[glass tulip]

Which it is

[gusty mirage]

it's garrote itself that applies the silence

[slow marsh]

Iron wire only applies Dr if they get silenced

[gusty mirage]

I'm well aware of how the talent works

[slow marsh]

And garrote only silences if used from stealth.

[gusty mirage]

yes

[slow marsh]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

so the problem is with garrote itself

[slow marsh]

Bug

[gusty mirage]

not subterfuge

because you never break stealth

[compact iron]

[gusty mirage]

to apply it with sepsis

[bleak sky]

yeah but sepsis applies iron wire doesn't apply dn

[gusty mirage]

am I typing in a foreign language?

[slow marsh]

Ye we can all agree it's stupid

[gusty mirage]

I'm well aware of what it does

[slow marsh]

But it's a bug

[bleak sky]

what about dn

[bleak sky]

also technically yes

[viscid spear]

Did you know poisons go on your weapon?

[gusty mirage]

the only BUG that seems to be apparent

is that it shouldn't apply iron wire

[slow marsh]

It's just we've accepted it and not called it as a bug

Exactly

[oak sky]

shouldnt it just not silence outright

[glass tulip]

@bleak sky it applies dn?

[gusty mirage]

correct

[glass tulip]

[gusty mirage]

because the garrote is not "from stealth"

spaghetti code gonna spaghetti

[glass tulip]

[oak sky]

tbh then the ability should just give us cheap shot and ambush

[bleak sky]

it does

[oak sky]

why is garrote even considered a stealth ability

[viscid spear]

Also the pointy end goes in the bad thing

[bleak sky]

also applies sugma

[gusty mirage]

it's not

you can cast garrote out of stealth

[oak sky]

then why does it consume the proc

[gusty mirage]

it just has extra perks if you do it from stealth

[slow marsh]

Correct so either way it's a bug. And they could make it a bug in our favor and 'fix' the sepsis proc or confirm that the proc is stupid and remove it giving iron wire

[oak sky]

it says "gives access to a stealth ability"

right?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[oak sky]

it should either give you all benefits or not consume the proc

[bleak sky]

so it refreshes vanish

because vanish is a stealth ability

[oak sky]

vanish isnt a stealth ability

you cant use it in stealth

[slow marsh]

By QA standards it's a bug whichever way you look at it

[oak sky]

yeah

[bleak sky]

gives you stealth so it's a stealth ability

[gusty mirage]

correct

[glass tulip]

[oak sky]

but the gcd reduction on AR is the other bug youre thinking right?

that might just be intended

[slow marsh]

So imo we need to push that along with the TO AR global bug + deathspike stuff

[oak sky]

I think garrote just shouldnt consume the proc

makes more sense

[gusty mirage]

we've covered this

the AR thing is not a bug

[glass tulip]

What is ar

[gusty mirage]

adrenaline rush

it's whitelisted

[glass tulip]

[gusty mirage]

so it not reducing the gcd for assassination rogue

is not a bug

[oak sky]

Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 60%, your maximum Energy by 50, and your attack speed by 20% for 20 sec.

it doesnt actually say anything about gcd it just gives you it as outlaw yeah?

[gusty mirage]

yup

[hollow river]

tf is going on in here lmao

[gusty mirage]

it'll reduce the gcd for snd tho

so

seems to be working just fine

[bleak sky]

we're all being brainlets

and making oxi madge

me rn

[oak sky]

cant wait to go celerity sepsis when the "bug" gets fixed

[hollow river]

But that’s why sin was added to the white list

[oak sky]

exactly

[slow marsh]

If they were gonna fix it they would just add sin abilities to the list so that the celerity thing doesn't happen again

[gusty mirage]

fix what

I'm confused

there's nothing to fix

lol

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=13750/adrenaline-rush

[oak sky]

the white list is abilities it does affect

[hollow river]

you know what i meant

i think

[oak sky]

i was responding to iceblades

like the fix to TO is adding sin abilities to the whitelist but that also opens up celerity

really awkward

[hollow river]

oh

i mean you could pretty easily fix that

so that it didn't open up celerity

[amber fossil]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Are we back on the sepsis koolaid

Surely it must give subterfuge garrotes

[bleak sky]

stop instigating drama

[chilly cave]

If only

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

I didn’t realize this was a drama topic

I read like 5 messages and skipped to the bottom

[bleak sky]

if it doesn't give subterfuge garrotes it's bugged because it procs iron wire

right oxi

[balmy condor]

Wait

Is that actually the argument

[echo geyser]

Soulshape SZN

[bleak sky]

yes

[balmy condor]

Holy shit

[oak sky]

no

[strange python]

Sepsis garrote is giving me 2 combo points. Is that subterfuge?

[viscid spear]

[echo geyser]

ash i thought we're cat buddies with soulshape?

[viscid spear]

I'm clinging to Venthyr until I have to change

[echo geyser]

vampire

[viscid spear]

But once we're all Fae, there'll be no other way

I'll pretend I was preaching the Fae all along

[umbral tulip]

I was Fae at the start of SL, does that make me an OG then?

Or just a

[oak sky]

it was the least bad then so not a pepega

[balmy condor]

no

That’s seal fate critting the end of sepsis

Why are you using garrote from sepsis

[oak sky]

so with the tier set acquisition post does that mean the endbosses will not drop higher ilvl tier

would be cool to have a slight improvement over the other forms of content

[strange python]

I was joking :(

And no, it's shadowblades xD. Not the sepsis stealth move

[bleak sky]

to get subterfuge garrote

[balmy condor]

Die

[bleak sky]

man I wish

[balmy condor]

Oh yeh that’ll do it too

I keep forgetting that exists

[oak sky]

sucks that you have to have a tier piece to trade one

[bleak sky]

isn't the blue post saying you don't?

[indigo mulch]

Sucks not to have master loot.

[oak sky]

i mean

[indigo mulch]

._."

[oak sky]

yes

Are tier tokens tradable if I have equipped an item of the same (or higher) item level in that token slot? Are tier tokens tradable without restrictions?

You need to have soulbound a Tier piece of equivalent or higher item level to be able to trade tier pieces. The same applies to tokens.

[bleak sky]

oh i'm pepega

pog

[oak sky]

thats not pog

should be same ilvl piece imo

then you have the option

[slow marsh]

Just about anything with my name involved automatically makes it prone to drama right

[bleak sky]

oh no

the pog is to me being pepega

but the new new blue post is nice

[oak sky]

then this makes me think

How is the item level of a tier piece determined for the Great Vault? Completing one +15 dungeon gives us a 278 piece of loot in the vault, so does that mean tier would be 278 as well in this same slot in the Great Vault?

Yes. The item level is equivalent to what you’ve earned through heroic deeds across the various different game systems.

that we dont get higher ilvl tier pieces

[bleak sky]

forging a non tier set -> tier set and the crafting costs

[slow marsh]

People are actually crying that we're on monk war token wut

[oak sky]

theyre both required raid buffs

guaranteed at least 2 or 3 people to trade with

and warrior is popular

[glass tulip]

I thought they were open tokens

[indigo mulch]

Rather warrior/monk than mages or warlocks 😒

[glass tulip]

rip

[indigo mulch]

Or hunters

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[slow marsh]

Luck has nothing to do with it

[balmy condor]

Wrong place wrong take I mean time

[oak sky]

nobodys out to get you shits fake

[slow marsh]

If people would just realize that I'm always right 100% of the time there wouldn't be any drama

Ik nobody's out to get me nerd I'm out to get everyone else

[glass tulip]

that is a funny joke

[balmy condor]

Yeah one sepsis garrote at a time

Gonna take you a while

[slow marsh]

It will since it only gives 1cp

[balmy condor]

I think the sepsis thing not triggering subterfuge is a bug though

Cause it works if I vanish garrote at the end of sepsis

[echo geyser]

did scari ever comment on that

[balmy condor]

But not if I don’t vanish

It’s very weird

[oak sky]

thats probably not his job

tbh

isnt he just the set guy rn

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

@echo geyser you should mention him and find out

[slow marsh]

Ye he simply said he was gonna try to relay information over

[echo geyser]

💀

[slow marsh]

Just @ him on twooter

[bleak sky]

@gusty mirage what do you think about this

[slow marsh]

Easy

@gusty mirage I'm right you're wrong haha (just kidding I love you please don't hurt me)

[balmy condor]

I mean we know iron wire is the bug

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[bleak sky]

clearly iron wire is the intended

[balmy condor]

You can literally just read the ability

[viscid spear]

Where are we upgrading to steel wire?

[balmy condor]

And it says “stealth effects”

[bleak sky]

I play DH I can't read

make it be pictures thanks

[slow marsh]

But the copium take is that iron wire justifies the subt / ma / ns point

[balmy condor]

No

That’s not even copium

That’s just incorrect

[oak sky]

garrote just shouldnt consume the proc tho no? its not a stealth ability

[slow marsh]

You're incorrect

Remember I'm 100% right always

[balmy condor]

Iron wire is the thing proccing it

[gusty mirage]

don't @ me to talk shit if you're wrong

[slow marsh]

Also good write up btw on the head

[gusty mirage]

looks bad

[bleak sky]

@gusty mirage usa healthcare is a good system

[slow marsh]

Dang didn't even respond to minal just went right for me

[bleak sky]

you're on the line bucko

[gusty mirage]

he knows what I think

[slow marsh]

And I don't

[gusty mirage]

I'm trying to raid and you guys are annoying

[bleak sky]

o sawwy

[slow marsh]

Oh ok sorry

[oak sky]

@ oxi

[viscid spear]

I'll take "Things No One Says" for $100, Ken

[slow marsh]

I didn't know cuz you're not streaming so

[bleak sky]

I was about to make this joke but with scarizard and decided not to

[oak sky]

i always do that

[bleak sky]

what if I accidentally ping scari

[oak sky]

press spacebar

you wont

[bleak sky]

I don't trust spacebar

[oak sky]

@ scarizard

[bleak sky]

[lucid birch]

I will right now

[slow marsh]

Doubt

[bleak sky]

do it pussy you won't

[lucid birch]

@timber gale hope you’re having a great day

[oak sky]

heres to the next zoomer getting shamed for pinging him

[bleak sky]

oh my god

[oak sky]

aint no way

the disrespect

[bleak sky]

you're dead kiddo

[slow marsh]

The man is moving, you're gonna make him drop a box on his toe

[lucid birch]

I have nothing to lose, and everything to gain

[bleak sky]

inb4 snow is brought in as the priest tier set developer

[echo geyser]

!mute @lucid birch 7days enjoy the vacation kiddo

[oak sky]

lol does snow play priest

[lucid birch]

I dabble

[slow marsh]

He's gonna drop a box on his toe and never be able to have banger comms with us again

[oak sky]

banger comms

true

[timber gale]

Def not now

[lucid birch]

[bleak sky]

[echo geyser]

💀

[bleak sky]

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

its a respect thing

[timber gale]

why are you like this

[slow marsh]

He's not a rogue that's why

[lucid birch]

I don’t play yellow class sorry

I don’t understand the backwards gestures here

[spice spire]

@balmy condor come get ur mans

[echo geyser]

its time for a week vacation i think

[spice spire]

Don’t ping mr. scari

[slow marsh]

Banned for life imo

[bleak sky]

don't @ the dev if the dev is not around

[slow marsh]

Shoot even if he is around

He'll bite your leg

[oak sky]

he doesnt know the lore

[bleak sky]

oh there's times he says "yes pinging me for X is allowed" so

sometimes maybe?

[echo geyser]

zoomer moment

[oak sky]

1. DO NOT DM ME

[echo geyser]

maybe we found skip #9

[slow marsh]

I accidentally forgot to turn off reply ping and he gave me the wtf don't ping treatment

[spice spire]

Can you even read?

[slow marsh]

Even when he was around

[bleak sky]

2. teach this boy to read

[bleak sky]

didn't know that was as option pog

[slow marsh]

I learned it from quake

[lucid birch]

well this has been interesting

[echo geyser]

[lucid birch]

Thought I was being kind and getting baited but apparently I broke a law lol

[timber gale]

I appreciate your sentiment

[spice spire]

you did LMFAO

but that's okay

[oak sky]

we like scarizard around here so when he says not to ping we take it very seriously

[lucid birch]

[slow marsh]

Yeah or else you'll end up like the kyrian druids

[sinful citrus]

Rip simpkin

[lucid birch]

Is it cause he gets 1k pings or does he just not like being mentioned

[oak sky]

probably just getting pings

[lucid birch]

Ah

[bleak sky]

getting pings from people who can't read his blue posts

[echo geyser]

[lucid birch]

Hey just because I can’t read doesn’t mean you can tell people

[brazen zodiac]

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))

[amber fossil]

hey big hitters, IQD is simming quite high for me now, is this reality or just a sim fake out?

[bleak sky]

if you can get good uses out of it it's good

[amber fossil]

is there a guide for it?

[bleak sky]

if you get 1 good but the next one is mana/heals you're kinda fucked

[amber fossil]

right on, thats what I have been reading

makes me wonder if the sim just uses best procs

[glass tulip]

you mean the button that says

IQD 100% stat proc chance

you can sim it at 50%, assuming you would get 1 use in your opener and 1 mana / heal use in the middle of the fight

[teal mica]

So what's necro opener on ST?

[oak sky]

@arctic walrus nice chill 9k nadjia tonight

[bleak sky]

sbs, snd, muti, garrote, rupture, vendetta, shiv, vanish

[oak sky]

my winds crits were abysmal tonight

[oak sky]

what

ok mine was 30%

on sylv

[balmy condor]

We wiped on the pull before that with 20%

And then I played it on soulrender

And had 30%

[arctic walrus]

you did 9.7 a week ago tho

🤨

[balmy condor]

And then I swapped specs because I wanted to toaster bath

[bleak sky]

true he was bitching about frost set indeed

[oak sky]

i had theo crit tea i didnt get mechs and i also had KA

this week i had none of those

and crits

[arctic walrus]

well good cuz nadjia is better than theo

[oak sky]

yeah lowkey i think it is

well

not on every boss

but maybe on sylv i think cev could potentially be right

[arctic walrus]

to what

[oak sky]

about it being better

theres some good lineups

[arctic walrus]

yes man cev's idea

[oak sky]

i always heard it from him bro

like forever

mfd was your bitch tho

[arctic walrus]

surely the 2 yard buff that I have to stand in gets insane value in actual gameplay in the plethora of different playstyle of fights offered in the sanctum of domination, to leading raid of the 9.1 expansion during the shadowlands expansion

[oak sky]

ill rep that till the day i die

[oak sky]

surely nadjia procs during intermissions get insane value in actual gameplay in the plethora of different playstyle of fights offered in the sanctum of domination

[arctic walrus]

the only reason i brought mfd back was to marginalize the boomers with arthritis

[oak sky]

btw my mage is getting mythic vault

so goated

[arctic walrus]

literally dont fucking talk to me about alts

i'm sstill tilted

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

same bruh

[oak sky]

play a different one

[bleak sky]

fucking shadow priest omega gutted

[oak sky]

sp is goated tbh

[bleak sky]

not anymore

[oak sky]

i mean the class

like

the gameplay and fantasy

[bleak sky]

oh

idc about fantasy

but gameplay is truly smooth

[oak sky]

fantasy is what makes a class fun imo

its why i play rogue

gameplay of a well-designed class delivers on the fantasy

[bleak sky]

i'm more on the side of "if it's powerful enough and good enough to play" I'll play

[oak sky]

see power doesnt make something fun for me because its always subject to change

when I pick a main/favorite in a game its never about balance

that doesnt mean im not willing to play other things it just means i won't have as much fun or consider it my main

[bleak sky]

valid

[oak sky]

like if i rerolled dk for a tier rogue is still my main class

nothing is changing that

[bleak sky]

the good to play part is like
I'll prob not roll boomy ever because fuck playing that

[oak sky]

yeah

could never main hunter or druid

at least not by choice

[bleak sky]

[bleak sky]

yeah hunter will never happen to me either

[timid cloud]

I never thought I’d have to either, until I got benched for it....

[oak sky]

@arctic walrus peep the eye no externals needed

it doesnt replace my external one though Sadge

[arctic walrus]

i do not see

[oak sky]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V6naJgwAKGZ7kjfR#fight=9&type=damage-done

very lucky with add spawns

[versed mica]

Hunter was fun till legion when they made all the hunter specs omega boring

[spice spire]

Survival hunter is acceptable

And ONLY SURVIVAL

[versed mica]

Naw survival is cringe, who tf make bombs that explode in a cone

[glass tulip]

im garbage

cant hit 99s without an opener PI

[oak sky]

depends on boss

[glass tulip]

I had a PI on opener on all but sylv

[oak sky]

thats heroic right

[glass tulip]

yes, I am not Vel

[oak sky]

well i mean

the soulrender was the telling one

LMAO

[glass tulip]

lol

my mythic is only 88 avg

am bad

[oak sky]

thats fine bro

a solid avg

[glass tulip]

[celest ruin]

is heroic slyv dagger oh good for m+? sims tell me 252 is better but seen some use sylv dagger even if they have 252

[wheat whale]

Hey, if we might use Night Fae with the next raid. Which slot would you craft Toxic Onslaught on? Legs, Feet or Chest?

[bleak sky]

new legendary is available for every slot (ON PTR)

[balmy condor]

Highest ilvl mainhand, 246 sylv offhand is good

[bleak sky]

also trust the sims

raidbots

[kindred rapids]

how can I do 15k on soulrender like Cev

I hate not being to parse on this boss

[glass tulip]

I dont think anyone can say until we know what all of the gear is

basically it will be on the worst tier slot item

[small nymph]

Finally got a perfect opener last night, hit 25k on pull with hero.. Then I fucked up and died 😢

Don't know why I still do it, but I keep using Shiv before Flag and Mutilate -> SND -> Garrote

[oak sky]

"perfect" opener probably just means your winds crit

[bleak sky]

yeah that's a scuffed opener

[small nymph]

I know, not sure why its like a muscle memory

[glass tulip]

If you do it enough times it is muscle memory

just like playing the wrong note on an instrument

gotta unlearn it and do it the right way

[bleak sky]

going from mut->snd-> mut to garrote->snd->ambush is gonna be real weird in raid

[small nymph]

Wait, what now?

[bleak sky]

talent changes + night fae

[balmy condor]

vanish gar ambush ambush

[bleak sky]

talents

[scenic jetty]

Sepsis way too high cd 😦

[balmy condor]

A minute and a half?

[small nymph]

Are we still doing Venthyr in dungeons after 9.2?

[scenic jetty]

don't u feel it's gona be clucnky if we play dusk ?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[balmy condor]

No?

Sepsis cooldown is Just as long as flag now

Is that clunky?

[scenic jetty]

i mean the way it works where u get the other 2 buffs after the tick expires

[balmy condor]

Sepsis is 10 seconds (5 with the 4 piece), the buffs last 10, vendetta is 20

Seems to fit fine

[scenic jetty]

shiv always before poping them right ?

assuming u have 4 piece

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[bleak sky]

#916546791472783371 message

good read

[balmy condor]

Also that

Sepsis->shiv and shiv->sepsis seems to not matter too much

I think sepsis->shiv was like VERY slightly better

[scenic jetty]

did u got some info on the sylv dagger

[balmy condor]

In what regard

[scenic jetty]

well quite huge for sub atm

[balmy condor]

Yes

Sub gets more cp

And buffs it through a conduit

[scenic jetty]

assuming the mythic weapon will outpreforms them for sin then

[balmy condor]

So it’s a double whammy

Oh yeah

Not even close

I think we replace them with heroics/valor daggers

Not an issue at all

[scenic jetty]

so for progress sub will be the way if u have x2 daggers i guess

[balmy condor]

Not necessarily

[bleak sky]

it's too early to tell anything about how the raid will go right

[scenic jetty]

i kinda like the current frost sin build

[balmy condor]

Balance is way more than “oh but dagger”

[bleak sky]

yeah I love playing like shit and doing giga damage / playing well and not doing damage at all

[scenic jetty]

yep

hoping winds proc ^_^

[balmy condor]

Will continue to post this

Because I’m still raging

[scenic jetty]

i feel u

[small nymph]

I was looking at it like there's nothing wrong here

[scenic jetty]

think i have had a pull with 16 procs of which only 2 crits

[small nymph]

Then I see, no crits 😂

[scenic jetty]

siting on roughly 48% crit tho

[balmy condor]

I played sub all patch

Then was like you know what

I’ll play sin

3 pulls, average winds crit rate? 16%

[scenic jetty]

i swaped to sin cause i could not get daggers

[balmy condor]

With 40% crit

[scenic jetty]

not even normal and hc

[balmy condor]

But sub is still better without daggers?

[scenic jetty]

no no

[bleak sky]

how is it not

[scenic jetty]

sylvanas daggers ?

[bleak sky]

yes

[scenic jetty]

duno i was pulling way more when i swaped

to sin

[balmy condor]

“Frankly that’s a skill issue” - Ion

[bleak sky]

or you were playing frost shards with sub

[scenic jetty]

naa UH

[empty hinge]

UH it’s kinda bait

Love it when it procs during painsmith intermission

[balmy condor]

I’m proud to say I swapped off unholy the moment the buffs were announced

And then never played it ever again

[scenic jetty]

i actually haven't played sub after i got both daggers ^_^

[bleak sky]

do it, kyrian sub is super smooth

[scenic jetty]

i don't like kyrian 😦

need to get it to 80

[glass tulip]

kyrian is actually fun in torghast

unfortunately that requires you to play kyrian and do torghast

[timid cloud]

Sepsis has some fat peaks though with the right powers & if you pull dense enough.

[limber lion]

still says my gain was only 0.3 :(

scammed out of my gains

[limber lion]

In a theoretical world, if you had 49% crit, you'd have around a 0.07% chance of this happening

[balmy condor]

Yeah don’t remind me

[limber lion]

That's pretty poggers

Almost as rare as getting the Sha of Anger mount

Which is 0.05%

[bleak sky]

.3 still .3

still a gain

[limber lion]

but it was around a 0.8% gain

:(

[oak sky]

i wish i had sha of anger mount

[limber lion]

Yeh it's pretty litty

No wonder it goes for gold cap whenever it appears in the BMAH

[oak sky]

i farmed for it for a few weeks

[bleak sky]

blue one is better anyway

[limber lion]

I would love Nalak

[oak sky]

the only thing i would want a shit ton of wow gold for is to buy a longboi

[limber lion]

But to be fair, I'm not the biggest fan of flying mounts

I don't enjoy the mounts that don't touch the ground

Invincible is a good pick every time.

Flying mounts suck whenever we lose the ability to fly again

[oak sky]

I like some flying mounts and some normal ones

i was rolling with crimson shardhide for most of this patch

[limber lion]

Flying mounts, as in the mounts that actually hover over the ground

[oak sky]

ye ik what you mean

[limber lion]

Yeye

[oak sky]

i like vengeance honestly

[limber lion]

To be honest, I do too

[oak sky]

one of my motivators for actually going for CE this tier

[limber lion]

But Invincible is still my fav

[oak sky]

ill never have invincible

and i'm ok with that

but its a sick mount

no denying that

[muted adder]

icc takes too long to clear

[marble hemlock]

stay mad, crit more

the harder you press the buttons on the keyboard, the higher your crit

[muted adder]

and the faster u stafe back and forth

[timid cloud]

If you’re not hitting Q-E you are doing less damage.

[bleak sky]

Q-E to strafe

[timid cloud]

I’m not playing League, I do not need these buttons...

[bleak sky]

A-D vastly superior

objectively better

proven by science and god himsellf

[small nymph]

A-D to strafe and Q-E to turn around is the way

[twilit hollow]

q e is prime real estate for keybinds wtf do you mean

[bleak sky]

how about using your mouse to turn around

[small nymph]

Too much effort

[timid cloud]

Not bad ideas.

[twilit hollow]

ur rebinding keyboard turn off a d, shifting it to q e and STIL keyboard turning and its too much effort to just use Q adn E for abilities?

[timid cloud]

I just use my shift modifiers.

[small nymph]

I mean, I was in the settings to change R to jump and space to Mutilate 🤷

[twilit hollow]

....................................

[bleak sky]

[twilit hollow]

[timid cloud]

HUH

[midnight atlas]

you're wasting years of muscle memory since space is jump in most games

[twilit hollow]

that is the single most demonic thing i have read in months

[balmy condor]

R to jump

[verbal mantle]

[twilit hollow]

the only worse thing was when my ex told me they used J for jump cause lefty

[balmy condor]

Wait

But space bar

Is equally easy to hit

[twilit hollow]

thats what i said

[balmy condor]

As a lefty

[twilit hollow]

"J MEANS JUMP"

[balmy condor]

I hate that

[twilit hollow]

[timid cloud]

Yeah, let me put me fucking Vendetta on my home button & my up arrow is jump because I used to have to use those keys for Commander Keen back in 1994.

[midnight atlas]

J is for Jeeves

[balmy condor]

Home button

[midnight atlas]

you gotta put something on alt+f4 as well

[timid cloud]

...

[solemn plaza]

M for mutilate

[small nymph]

F1 is Vendetta for me 😅

F3 is mount

[balmy condor]

F keys

What

[small nymph]

F4 is usually hero

[twilit hollow]

what the

[small nymph]

F2 is combat ress (engineer)

[balmy condor]

Combat res right next to vendetta

Is a ballsy move

[midnight atlas]

its sin. you already got less binds than other specs. why bother with weird ones?

[small nymph]

Got one of those fancy keyboards with macro keys, so not really right next to it 🤷

Just gotta make sure I never hold down Alt when pressing drums/TW on mage

[timid cloud]

...

You have...drums...on your mage...?

[small nymph]

I'm not crazy

I got drums on all classes..

[solemn plaza]

are we getting baited

[timid cloud]

...

[midnight atlas]

2nd troll this week. gotta get back to work

[timid cloud]

I gotta go lay down, this is all too much...

[bleak sky]

took me way too long to find that

[midnight atlas]

i played some FPS games with a lefty friend. Its like his hands didn't listen to him

do you lefties use mouse with your left hand btw?

[verbal mantle]

we are superior therefore yall jelly

[bleak sky]

no u

[timid cloud]

I am playing with both of my hands on the keyboard, 10 & 2.

[balmy condor]

Do you use a lefthanded mouse

[verbal mantle]

No, I learned to use a computer like a right handed person as a kid, there are a lot of things to learn like a righty

[whole mason]

Lefties are somehow more balanced maybe...

[copper hazel]

yeh im left handed, but use most stuff with right

mouse, golf club, etc

weirdly though, i hold a gun in left hand and tennis racket

[steel ridge]

you know, i am kind of a lefty myself

[pastel flint]

I'm a lefty and I've never even considered using a lefthanded mouse

[empty hinge]

How do you play golf as a righty and play tennis as lefty

[copper hazel]

i have no clue

its weird

[verbal mantle]

because lefties have to constantly adapt because nearly everything is design for righthanded ppl and you become kinda ambidextrous for some things in life

perfect to use double daggers if you ask me

[copper hazel]

rogue IRL

[balmy condor]

I snowboard goofy but skateboard regular

[verbal mantle]

what lmao

[copper hazel]

ok that ones weird 😄

[verbal mantle]

Im goofy all the way

[balmy condor]

But sometimes when I snowboard, goofy feels weird

So I’ll just flip over to regular for that run

[verbal mantle]

[balmy condor]

And then do goofy on the next

[empty hinge]

[balmy condor]

For the record, I am bad at both skateboarding and snowboarding

[verbal mantle]

a few aren't

[oak sky]

i think i go left foot first

idk if thats goofy or normal

[timid cloud]

If I get on a board, I’d fall on my ass & bust it open.

[balmy condor]

Also can you yoink this for me or maybe @gusty mirage or @wild lantern when you guys wake up thanks

[verbal mantle]

regular my man

[oak sky]

i never skate but i know it would feel weird going goofy then

[alpine radish]

Not unusual to have like bad coordination in one movement to another, some ppl can have ridiculous strength also in their left side even though they are right sided

[verbal mantle]

consider it done, I'll upload it in swamp?

[balmy condor]

Yes ty

[verbal mantle]

aight

[bleak sky]

Isn't that about foot positioning rather than which leg leads?

[verbal mantle]

uh I always thought it was about the first foot

am I wrong

Idk

[oak sky]

i know nothing im just pretty sure i go left foot first

[void karma]

Left leg in front is regular, right leg in front is goofy

[bleak sky]

It being about which foot leads makes me madge

[verbal mantle]

ah ye

then I was wrong earlier I just realized

[grand hull]

with the recent buffs to outlaw and sub being extremely strong both in aoe and st still is there gonna be a place for assa in the next tier competitively?

[gusty mirage]

there were recent buffs to outlaw and sub?

sub's set just got nerfed

[hollow river]

I think they’re saying with all the bug fixes the nerf to the tier is going to end up being neutral

I ran into your homie on my new server last night oxi

[gusty mirage]

the bug fixes are in

who's my homie

[hollow river]

Yeah I know. Just stating what I read last night - could def be wrong tho

[hollow river]

Ivanrah

[gusty mirage]

@real solar ily

[hollow river]

I’m on zul’jin now

[gusty mirage]

the french canadians are gonna get you

[hollow river]

BRO

It’s actually insane how many French Canadians are on this server

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

And they’re all really mean and racist

[gusty mirage]

not all

but a good chunk

[hollow river]

I know

Just a generalization

[gusty mirage]

accurate one from my experience with them in other games

[hollow river]

But I’ve had 0 good interactions so far lol

[gusty mirage]

I sort of just ignored them in wow though

[hollow river]

One thing I will say though

Making gold on a high pop server is insanely easy

Made almost 1m in my first week here

[gusty mirage]

ZJ is also much more expensive than any other high pop server I've been on

and idk why

[hollow river]

People reset the markets

[subtle kiln]

depends on the goblins

[hollow river]

Most consumes were cheap af the day my guild transferred and now with the weekly reset they’re kinda high

I’m not complaining though still cheaper than Arthas

[grand hull]

i know subs set was nerfed

thats not what i was asking lmao

will assa be competive with sub and outlaw in 9.2 for m+ or raid

[hollow river]

🔮

[grand hull]

btw hi tricks i met you in arthas

[hollow river]

I’m pretty sure they’re still actively balancing everything

Hey how’s it going

What’s your in game name

[grand hull]

pretty good server transferred to a52, it was dillhole, and now its defuuq

i main assa

[hollow river]

I meant your character’s name :d I don’t remember a Livid

[grand hull]

yeah my toons name is dillhole and now its defuuq

i havent changed my discord name here

[hollow river]

Ohhhh lmao

I can’t remember how we met

Which guild were you in 😮

Ooh nvm I remember

Orgrimmar - you had the sick daggers iirc!

[grand hull]

yeahh

[hollow river]

I have them now 🙂

[grand hull]

they are beautiful daggers tho

im up to 12 pages haha

[hollow river]

Damn lmao

I got the mage tower set and I use those daggers with Winters Grasp ench

[grand hull]

hell yeah, next legion timewalking imma send mage tower. i slacked off and didnt pull it many times while it was up

[sonic briar]

you mean you're not spending every living hour farming countermeasure/jeweled signet

[gusty mirage]

Raid: Yes. M+: Same as the rest of the expac, competitive up to a point, then falls off hard

[hexed frost]

upto a point, then falls off hard

[gusty mirage]

at a certain point you just can't justify the lack of on demand damooj

[cobalt hemlock]

but this probably doesnt affect anyone who isnt really going insane high right? like 21+

[gusty mirage]

ye assa is fine rn up until around 24-25ish

[spice spire]

Fan of knives 1CP gain

[grand hull]

thx

and yes fok 1 cp is super fail

[gusty mirage]

any 4 FoKs for 4 CP enjoyers in chat?

[grand hull]

lmao

[hexed frost]

But this will change in 9.2 i know. 1 min vendetta will make assa M+ meta right?

[bleak sky]

[junior rampart]

Haha yea fok is funny

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Bro

Gonna trigger ptsd

[hexed frost]

bruh i will legit just use mutilate if i get 2 CP-2 FoK back to back

[spice spire]

Yeah but

“A boat’s a boat, but the mystery box could be anything, even a boat!”

[timid cloud]

I wish for the sweet release of death, my brother...

[brazen zodiac]

good morning

[agile geode]

god morning to you my friend

im still waiting the rework of deathspike

[alpine latch]

I'm excited to see how the 3 specs stack up against each other

Seems like we're getting closer to patch day. Almost everything has had it's first sweep of bugfixes and balancing

[unborn needle]

I'm not sure if it's out of place, but can you guys recommend any Assas/Sub streamers to see PTR gameplay/info?

[hollow river]

No one really streams PTR except the occasional JPC PTR m+ but that’s not often at all

[whole mason]

is AR given by toxic onslaught not giving reduced gcd a bug?

[static rock]

does sepsis get removed by vanish?

or was it fixed? says on sub faq and if that’s case how do we do sepsis shiv with vanish (ma talent)

and we use the stealth ability on ambush right?

[unborn needle]

Thanks for the response. I was just looking for a place to see how Assas is looking in 9.2 vs other classes/specs and whether I should be prepping to change to Night Fae for raiding.

[strange python]

Based on what I saw in our testing and in general feedback from others I've seen, sin looks to be in the middle of the top tier specs (somewhere like 3rd-5th). Sub pretty damn similar spot. Outlaw was p weak before the buffs

But there's obviously tuning to still come

[hollow river]

Not a bug no

[hexed frost]

Anyone has tried out Draven soulbind so far? How far is it behind the other two?

[gusty mirage]

like for current live patch?

[vestal wren]

there isn't that much to stream ptr wise tbh

[gusty mirage]

draven kinda kaka

ngl

[vestal wren]

running m+ on live is more attractive esp. given that the affixes are rly good atm

[viscid spear]

I can't imagine we stand still long enough

[hexed frost]

live

[gusty mirage]

as for # wise, I don't even remember

I'll check herodamage combinations for you

worse than NF dreamweaver

worse than theo with poisoned katar equipped

[viscid spear]

Hey, you could sacrifice yourself to heal the group with Service in Stone

[gusty mirage]

true, cheese out a fat #1 ASP healing ranking

[balmy condor]

As a Rank 1 hps parse holder, token from theotar does way way way more it’s not even comparable

[gusty mirage]

whatever nerd

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

you keep your facts

I'll hang on to the magic of feelcraft

[spice spire]

@oak sky

[gusty mirage]

pls don't @ people to harass them

that's against server rules

[spice spire]

I didn’t tell him to feint

[regal cypress]

Are we playing sylv daggers 9.2?

[balmy condor]

If you don’t get any daggers in 9.2, yes

[spice spire]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[gusty mirage]

that's not harassment, that's called coaching

[spice spire]

Mb

[brazen zodiac]

hi gamers!

[vestal wren]

welcome traveler

[regal cypress]

So what u're saying is essentially once we get >259 ilvl daggers we just toss sylv?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[regal cypress]

nice

[balmy condor]

The same way if you have 252, you toss sylv mainhand

(A heroic)

[regal cypress]

OH still strong?

[balmy condor]

Strong-er