assassination

[limber lion]

Couldn't be me

[hollow river]

🤮

[alpine latch]

I'd love Soul Shape, just not a fan of Sepsis. Spent some time on the PTR over the weekend playing around (I know nothing changes on PTR, but I was messing around with other stuff too)

I'm just not a fan of the rotation changes

[limber lion]

Why aren't you a fan of Sepsis?

Oh, you're not a fan of change

That's fair

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I can get used to it if I need to

[fair glade]

hey guys how are you?

[limber lion]

It honestly doesn't change much

because the biggest change comes from playing with the actual tier set and duskwalkers

[alpine latch]

Naw, just a few key places (like when you cast Shiv)

[limber lion]

Like you will have to completely change your rotation and playstyle to fit the tierset/dusk combo

[fair glade]

i should end up my fea en necro renom as i saw sepsis is that good?

[limber lion]

That's a weird sentence

But yes, you should level up Night Fae

Not Necro.

[fair glade]

sorry about it, that's a weird one xD okok i will up fae then i already started but i lost my mind farming all kyrian and half part of fae in layer 9 xD

[hollow river]

Necro will be fun for m+

And possibly some cleave fights

[jovial junco]

Question , Im gonna give Sub a go if going Venthyr is it Obedience for the win ?

[fair glade]

yep

[hollow river]

Yeah

[jovial junco]

cheers....also anyone know if I still run outlaw for keys in 9.2 ...Kyrian or Necro ? .....Im leaning towards kyrian

[hollow river]

Either really

Necro will be more aoe, kyrian more ST

[fair glade]

both might be fine i think

[jovial junco]

Im usually necro but starting to like Kyrian more lately

[hollow river]

Can probably play either tbh

But with double leggo I’m not sure

Necro def more aoe but doesn’t add much to ST

[fair glade]

maybe depends on group and keys

[hollow river]

Yeah

Kyrian will def be good tho

[abstract junco]

Any movement on known bugs of Deathspike, or is it still DOA?

[hollow river]

Dev is looking into those bugs

[bleak sky]

scari asked about it earlier

[jovial junco]

What bug is that ?

[abstract junco]

Oh nice

[bleak sky]

and we're just waiting right now

[bleak sky]

way too many

[jovial junco]

LoL

[abstract junco]

If the leggo works and has actual interaction with the 2- and 4-set, that’d rock.

[jovial junco]

Well yeah i hope so.....I always looked at celerity and the bonespike lego to be a great match

[limber lion]

It sure would

It would be great in m+

Fingers crossed it gets fixed

It's really frustrating to play with currently

Fingers crossed Toxic Onslaught is also touched on

[abstract junco]

It’s flavorfully the coolest, which only cements the overall tragedy of its bugs.

IMO

[jovial junco]

praying for Outlaw atm !

[limber lion]

#outlaw leave the channel

[arctic walrus]

🔫 leave the channel or I take it out @limber lion

[spice spire]

Why is there a shadow priest in chat

[alpine latch]

So this week, are there any dungeons I'd run PB over CT for? And what about Dashing vs Obe?

[limber lion]

Palmer

You never run PB

in any dungeon

ever

You always use CT

And you never use Dashing either to be honest

[alpine latch]

Oh shit, my stupidity is breaking Cev

[limber lion]

It's either Obedience or Zoldyck

[alpine latch]

What did I do 😦

I've heard some people say that they've ran Dashing on like ToP before

But yeah, the PB thing was dumb tbh

[limber lion]

Maybe if you don't want to play Venthyr for whatever reason

but if you're Venthyr, you either play Obedience or Zoldyck

[alpine latch]

gotcha, okay

So this week it's just standard

[limber lion]

No

Every week

There is no week-specific things for us

It's the same setup

every week

[alpine latch]

Well, last week and Shade week we grabbed Bolstering

[limber lion]

Sure

the anima power thing is different

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's all I mean

[limber lion]

but in terms of talents, covenants and legendaries

it's all the same

[alpine latch]

Completely standard this week

gotcha okay

Do we know if NF is going to be good in keys for 9.2?

[limber lion]

It will be, yes

[alpine latch]

Or will we be going multi-covenant for raid/keys?

[spice spire]

Yeah, it’ll be pretty decent

[alpine latch]

okay

[limber lion]

NF for everything with double lego/tier set

Or maybe Necro for m+ if it gets fixed

[spice spire]

NL, NF, Venthyr all playable in keys.
Nf, venthyr in raid

[violet hemlock]

u can read whispyrs wowhead article

[alpine latch]

Yeah I'm probably going Necrolord for ToP/PF because my group doesn't have one

[spice spire]

But even next tier, your best talent set up will still be garrote + CT.
I advocated swapping legendaries and subt early, but if you’re pigeonholed into doing that, it’s not great.

[alpine latch]

I grabbed a 252 cloak from my GV last week, so now I can swap in my Zoldyck pants

[spice spire]

I just brain dead send obed+subterfuge on tyran and am chilling

[gusty mirage]

I hope you all have wonderful vaults today NA sin rogues

[spice spire]

You as well mister oxi.

[gusty mirage]

I don’t need anything except a 252 phial

Tuesdays are no longer exciting

[alpine latch]

It's your week sir, you got this

[gusty mirage]

I haven’t even sniffed a max level phial sir

[alpine latch]

Don't worry man, once you get KSM you'll get that 246 😉

[violet hemlock]

my rogue has yet to get a single 252 ring... I dont believe it possible

[gusty mirage]

Want some of mine? I had like 6 at one point

[spice spire]

Past 3 weeks I got two of them

[violet hemlock]

my alts all have only rings

and my rogue gets none

[spice spire]

After not sniffing them all tier

[gusty mirage]

I started handing out raid rings

Like I’m Tom Brady

[violet hemlock]

lol

[gusty mirage]

“You need that?”

Like nah bro I don’t

[fair glade]

mine is quit good in stuff just need more ends raids part like crit chest ring and shoulders but we are in progress so no vault x)

[spice spire]

Something else you have in common, goat.

[gusty mirage]

I’m also an actual goat

[spice spire]

O

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-goat-lick-tongue-out-gif-5193394

[violet hemlock]

Im still debating what spec im going for 9.2. Kinda just dont wanna play sub again, so hopefully sin.

[spice spire]

Speaking of which @gusty mirage you retiring?

[gusty mirage]

Come home to the dark side

[spice spire]

That’d be the hat trick

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

Interesting so we're probably going Duskwalkers for both NF and Venth in 9.2.

Finally catching up on some stuff now, I'm so far behind lately

[bleak sky]

dusk for everything

[thorn fjord]

I feel it... Today is the day i get my Mythic EoN out of box

I FEEL IT

https://tenor.com/view/ed-cowboy-bebop-anime-type-gif-8137980

[whole mason]

unequip your weapon before opening the vault. that's how i got it.

[thorn fjord]

o.O

[whole mason]

maybe you will have your own strategy.

forget about what i said.

[gusty mirage]

We’re definitely going dusk for all covenants when we get the 4pc, not probably

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it's only for 4pc though right?

So we got a couple of weeks

[gusty mirage]

Yessir

[alpine latch]

My guild announced we're starting in normal

So I'll have to pug Heroic 😦

[hoary remnant]

tbh no matter what level you should do normal to get your tier pieces anyways

If you do not do splits then even lfr tierset piece is an option

[alpine latch]

Yeah. We only raid 4 hours a week so we'll be in Normal all week unless we clear before raid ends, then we'll do Heroic for whatever time we have left

[hoary remnant]

For 4 hours its fine to just do normal imo.

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I'm not mad about it.

I normally recommend doing a week of normal no matter what

Just a fast way to learn the base fights go from there

[thorn fjord]

it didnt work 😦

[alpine latch]

My guild isn't good enough to just walk into Heroic and clear it week 1. We are good enough to clear Normal week 1, though.

[whole mason]

sry, maybe next time...

[alpine latch]

So hopefully we can pick up a lot of set items and use that to propel us through a Heroic clear in 3-4 weeks

[runic terrace]

How will assa perform compared with Sub with 4pc and 2 legendarys? I hear that Sub is really strong!?

[spice spire]

It is; however afaik the bug fixes aren’t in the sub set still, and when they are in, there will probably be a nerf to bring the set in line with the rest.

Won’t know for sure until closer to a release candidate tho

[runic terrace]

Thanks for the clarification!

[static rock]

never played nf before is there a certain soulbind we use?

[hoary remnant]

If you do all stuff for the chest you should have full tier set 2nd mythic week

[edgy orbit]

Is stat prio still going to be crit/haste for 9.2?

[spice spire]

We’d use dreamweaver

[spice spire]

Stat prio changes slightly, but not much.
Haste will gain a lot more value without shards in ST, crit still great. Mastery gains some value but is still below

Also on soulbinds probably Korayn for keys

[wind hull]

are we going fae in 9.2

?

[brazen zodiac]

yes

or venthyr

if ur feelin spoooooky

[wind hull]

damn gonna farm renown

just finished grinding 4cov renown on my main

[spice spire]

Pins are our friends, friends

Fae will be after 4pc, until then it’s venthyr

[brazen zodiac]

yes thank u quakeroats

how r u

252 anima charged battery. coulda been a phial

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-ooooof-gif-12896777

[spice spire]

Looking forward to my grue neck + 3 bad options

[viscid spear]

PF dagger

[brazen zodiac]

isnt the PF dagger heavy crit

also wouldnt the anima charged battery be like kinda ok next tier since stats will be giga weird due to losing the frost set

or am i just giga fucking coping rn with my vault choice

[bleak sky]

you're omega coping

[brazen zodiac]

im gonna go make eggs and put a lot of cheese on them

and steak too

[spice spire]

252 tho?

[viscid spear]

I was hoping for one of two things from Sylvanas, had to settle for the dagger since the crit makes it better for me than the SD dagger I have

[viscid spear]

ya

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Also got the ToP ring last night, upgrading it to 246 now

[brazen zodiac]

it's ok next tuesday for sure

whats the ring for ToP?

[spice spire]

If I get a PF this week

It’s gonna get WICKED

[brazen zodiac]

the green weird looking one?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[brazen zodiac]

isnt that sub's bis ring

[tulip kernel]

wait is NF gonna be the move next tier? that wowhead post is saying it might actually be good

[brazen zodiac]

....

lmfaoooooo

yeah once u get ur 4p its gonna be based

and the double leggo

but until then ur still playing with the vampires bro

[tulip kernel]

well shid wish i knew that before comp stomp was over

[brazen zodiac]

unless ur like quake and u play nerco like a psychopath

[signal pier]

vampire evolves to fairy

[viscid spear]

Bloodoath Signet, Ring of Perpetual Conflict has a bit more Crit but still got 100 from it

[brazen zodiac]

rad

[viscid spear]

My Ocular Gland finally gives Crit, lol

[brazen zodiac]

lmfaoo

[spice spire]

He was a haste gamer

Ash is living In 9.2 already

[viscid spear]

I really need the ring and chest from Sylvanas, it'll boost me so hard

[spice spire]

I saw

[brazen zodiac]

ngl

[spice spire]

I also raided with Zoldyck’s last night

[brazen zodiac]

yeah thats based bro

idk wtf u doin there

[spice spire]

I was wondering why damage was so low

[brazen zodiac]

u forgot u playin rogue not a warrior lmfaoo

[spice spire]

I forgot to swap off after mythics

[brazen zodiac]

is 10.7k in a 22 ok for damage

[viscid spear]

Was about to ask why you were running Zoldyck in M+ and then I remembered you aren't Venthyr

[brazen zodiac]

i run zold in m+ as venthyr

[spice spire]

Yeah you can run it as venthyr

Also 10.7 is fine damage

[brazen zodiac]

quake

this sim is cursed

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jizvYM5aGyN2R42sUYRVWD

its been cursing my computer for 3 days now ever since the number changed randomly in front of my eyes

[viscid spear]

[brazen zodiac]

im afraid if i delete it a demon will spawn

[spice spire]

IQD

[brazen zodiac]

dude

suck my dick

LMFAO

it just sims better 4head

[spice spire]

Yeah IQD can be good

[hollow river]

Filthy animals

Sup

[viscid spear]

We're talking about IQD

[brazen zodiac]

sup ytivkz

trickz

[spice spire]

My system is down at work.
Again.

I have a biweekly meeting with the facility in 30 minutes

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

Garbo trinket

3 min cd

[viscid spear]

Discussion has ended, thanks for coming to this meeting.

[gusty mirage]

3min cd to give your healer mana

[clever kindle]

real

[gusty mirage]

[clever kindle]

but think about the extra 2 mobs your group can pull with that mana

[gusty mirage]

True true

The real play is everyone plays iqd so you can continuously chain every 3 min

[clever kindle]

[gusty mirage]

Bro autocorrect is owning me today

Imma take this L and go back to work

[clever kindle]

work is da poop

[timber gale]

ok gamers after today's vault i can get up to 42% crit. i feel like I should just on principle

i feel like... i should finally make a legendary that isn't zoldyck but. that's effort.

[indigo mulch]

It's glorious though.

Join the ranks of the dashing scundrels.

Feels pretty bad to have killed Sylvanas 13 times without a hc dagger.

Its almost 3 and a half months worth of time D=

[lucid birch]

scoffs in whispyr-like tone
“you’ll never have as much crit as me kid.”

[alpine latch]

42% is a great start

[bleak sky]

cmon scari craft that obedience

or dashing if you're a raidy boi

[alpine latch]

Obe is solid af. It's only like 50 DPS behind Dashing in ST and it's better than Zoldycks in m+

[timber gale]

I rly wanted to when 9.1 hit but I’m too good at frost lmao. I raid lead/do 20s on it so all my time went there for months, my rogue is for when I have no responsibilities

[bleak sky]

just do it

[timber gale]

But I also literally just got frost set on them so now I’m doing more raiding bc I also happen to have Giga crit

[alpine latch]

Hey man, if you need a shitty Alliance guild to raid on, I got you

JK only like 30 of us play Alliance 😦

[timber gale]

Dw I extremely do not

[harsh anchor]

cap

[alpine latch]

Even Ash left me

[timber gale]

Like I said I own my own guild; I just can’t swap to playing classes I’m learning when we’re taking things semi seriously

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's always tough

[timber gale]

But sin is fun, def my 2nd favorite class atm

The first time I read obedience I did pog

[alpine latch]

lol

[timber gale]

Bc I love flag as a button

[alpine latch]

Obe is an all-around great pickup for us

It's the first I made at r6

[timber gale]

At this point I’ll just wait and make duskwalkers eventually

[alpine latch]

I forgot to run Comp Stomp last week for NF

So now I gotta run Torghast

[harsh anchor]

palmer, you're in sigkill no?

[alpine latch]

That's the only covenant that isn't 80

lol no

I'm in a guild called IRONFIST. We're a Day 1 guild over on Burning Legion.

We were originally formed in Planetside (so we're technically older than WoW)

[harsh anchor]

o, thought I remembered you being on stormrage

nvm

[alpine latch]

I was

Back in Legion

When IF stops raiding, I'll sometimes head over to Stormrage or Area52

And then do a tier or two over there

[ashen oriole]

when do we use shadowmeld as assa?

[bleak sky]

extra MA window in vendetta pog

[ashen oriole]

cant find it anywhere in my raidbots report

thats why i am asking

[bleak sky]

elitist simc nerds didn't plan for alliance players smh my head

[loud jungle]

No new ptr build today?

[ashen oriole]

it literally isnt in the APL

[viscid spear]

Another reset, another group of Renown to get

[ember mural]

link the sim

@ashen oriole

[gusty mirage]

Imagine not doing it during comp stomp

[viscid spear]

I don't like PvP

[loud jungle]

Comp stomp was only giving me renown like every 4th or 5th round.

After 50 or so.

Which seemed slow tbh.

[gusty mirage]

Shadowmeld doesn’t work the way people think it does on boss fights

[viscid spear]

Bosses aren't as stupid as enemy faction players

[gusty mirage]

It’s not technically a “stealth effect”

And it doesn’t drop combat in boss fights iirc, so you can’t meld-> stealth for an extra MA window or extra subterfuge garrotes

[viscid spear]

Would be broken if it was

[gusty mirage]

Yarp

[wind hull]

is it shiv+sepsis

or sepsis+shiv?

sepsis+shiv+vendetta?

or vendetta+shiv+sepsis

[viscid spear]

Sepsis then Shiv

[gusty mirage]

#916546791472783371 message

[viscid spear]

After that idk

[north pecan]

We Night Fae in 9.2 boys?

[viscid spear]

[misty holly]

Does whispyr have a night fae guide?

[subtle kiln]

@gusty mirage does whispyr have a night fae guide?

[vestal wren]

#916546791472783371 has some information, but iirc the apl is still worked on

[viscid spear]

It's mostly speculation right now, but stay Venthyr until you actually get the tier set

[vestal wren]

nf works rly well with the 4p and dusk, so you probably won't bother with it before getting 4p

but keep in mind that tuning/changes are still happening, so things might change

[brazen zodiac]

inb4sinkyrian

[pseudo hamlet]

I think it's still too soon to actually give you a proper answer. Though considering the actual state of PTR we can say there's some kind of probability that NF will be best.
Nothing certain still.

[gusty mirage]

Whatchu mean

[slow marsh]

Does whispyr have a night fae guide?

[subtle kiln]

Does whispyr have a night fae guide?

[tight ginkgo]

[spice spire]

No 9.2 guide, afaik, if that’s what you’re asking

His current NF guide recommends Niya ST

[slow marsh]

With burrs?

Thanks

[hexed frost]

So DSlice recommends taking a 252 dagger and MfD over 246 sylvanas and vigor. Can i trust the sim?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aBK2gb6i8zMiLwQqxwbw2m

[kindred rapids]

Yes that's correct.

Many use vigor instead though

for feels

[hexed frost]

ty

[clever kindle]

You used to be able to do this back in the day but Im not sure what expansion they changed it

Vanish also actually removed you from Combat and you would only re-enter from a heal or taking damage so you could sneak in a gnomish army knife for a free brez

[sonic schooner]

Having vigor is primordial for 4garrots opening aint it?

[visual prairie]

primordial indeed

[gusty mirage]

the good ol' days

@slow marsh @subtle kiln thanks for asking the same exact question

I hate it here

https://tenor.com/view/work-home-karate-kid-i-hate-it-here-wanna-go-home-gif-4801336

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/understand-confused-rush-hour-chris-tucker-do-you-understand-gif-5887633

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-shay-nope-nah-nuhuh-gif-12298561

[spice spire]

Hey oxii, quick question though

Does whispyr have a night fae guide?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah you can find it in DN

[spice spire]

What’s dn?

[gusty mirage]

Degenerate Nonsense

what did you think it meant

[spice spire]

I wasn’t sure hence the question

Ty for the clarification tho papi

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/d-sloz-pim-bubear-asntm-smack-that-gif-15075624

[gusty mirage]

hence isn't your brand

[spice spire]

My brand is a dog pfp

[gusty mirage]

do I open vault as outlaw

is that how I get a phial

someone help

[spice spire]

Yeah

[subtle kiln]

why the fuck would you do that?

[gusty mirage]

because I don't need daggers

[spice spire]

Tertiaries?

[gusty mirage]

chest is indestructible

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I guess I take cape

idk

[slow marsh]

Hey does someone have a list of like things you can evasion in raid or something

[limber lion]

free stygia is always free stygia

[spice spire]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

no

[slow marsh]

o ok

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

sup ice, oxi

[fallen fable]

Is there point to craft new legos now? How will it go with upgrading on rank 6 and 7, will it be cheaper to have 262 ready*

[limber lion]

No point really

[fallen fable]

But will soul ash and cinders still be needed to craft up to 262? Or we will be able to craft directly to 6 and 7 rank?

[limber lion]

Yes, you still need cinders and soul ash to get to 262

afaik

but the new ranks use a completely new system and currency

[sour wraith]

Probably late but you should take the best tmog

[subtle kiln]

this is correct.

[fallen fable]

Ye ye i know about new currency, just wondered should I make them now and have them ready to upgrade

[subtle kiln]

if you’re buying r7 and not using the r6 wait

[fallen fable]

thx!

[grand ridge]

I should really read up on that thx for the info

[balmy condor]

@balmy condor does whispyr have a night fae guide

[subtle kiln]

yes

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

wow who's the bitch pinging me at such a reasonable time

I love you

oh that was me sorry

but I love you too

big fan of your work

aww that's so sweet I'm glad you like it

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor NF Guide: Play Necrolord

[thorn fjord]

Whispyrception

[oak sky]

nf guide sync logic in the feedback thread press sepsis after shiv gg

[subtle kiln]

Necrolord Guide:: reroll warrior or mage.

[gusty mirage]

Are you okay today?

Who hurt you

[balmy condor]

myself

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

Same

[balmy condor]

[thorn fjord]

Wheres the guide at tho

[balmy condor]

I'm my own enemy

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-i-choose-violence-violence-fight-punch-gif-11848498

[gusty mirage]

Ye but u cute tho

[balmy condor]

the early guide is my pinned fae explanation in the thread, and then later on wowhead

[oak sky]

oh the misery

[subtle kiln]

where’s the real guide?

[gusty mirage]

In his pants

[subtle kiln]

shiv after sepsis. LOL

fax news

[balmy condor]

everybody wants my mac and cheese 😩 spare the sympathy, everybody wants to eat, my mac and cheese

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Does Sepsis gain value from Vend?

[subtle kiln]

not playing full send assa.

[balmy condor]

ye

[gusty mirage]

Are we getting sped up sepsis or naw

[oak sky]

Cast sepsis->shiv whenever sepsis is cast

[gusty mirage]

I’m getting impatient

[oak sky]

i thought

[marble hemlock]

who is your favorite necro soulbind whispyr?

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak sky]

i thought we were doing shiv sepsis

[balmy condor]

we already have sped up sepsis

[marble hemlock]

can you name all 3 of them?

[balmy condor]

you

[subtle kiln]

snapshotting dead. long live Kevin

[gusty mirage]

I should go on ptr more

[balmy condor]

emeni, marileth, heirmir

marileth is the kevin thing

[marble hemlock]

insane

[balmy condor]

emeni is lbe and fleshcraft for damage (very cringe)

[thorn fjord]

Heirmir is the homie

[balmy condor]

heirmir is crit

[marble hemlock]

do you know their genders?

[thorn fjord]

You cant just assume their genders man

[gusty mirage]

I do

[marble hemlock]

didnt ask you my love

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Wdym emeni is a PRINCESS

[clever kindle]

💅

(thats blood)

[thorn fjord]

could be a prince tho

[marble hemlock]

no

[clever kindle]

I mean, no

Emeni is in BFA

[marble hemlock]

her title is "slaughter daughter"

[gusty mirage]

Could if emeni didn’t call herself a princess

[clever kindle]

She is literally the snake princess from vol'dun

[thorn fjord]

Im losing this battle

[gusty mirage]

Heimir/marileth were your best bets for a dub

[balmy condor]

I would never assume their gender

[clever kindle]

heimir for those of us who dont play with sound

[subtle kiln]

so no

this isn’t the kyrian covenant.

[lyric crater]

is there a release date yet or we still dont know when the patch lands

[balmy condor]

no date yet

[lyric crater]

ok so little more time to get the dagger or get F&#*over by blizzard rng gods

[balmy condor]

STOP

WHY

NO MORE

[oak sky]

wait

do you have 2 alr

[clever kindle]

the date will release when my guild kills Sylv

[balmy condor]

THIS IS MY FOURTH 259

[oak sky]

take the belt whispyr its bis for sin

[lyric crater]

i hate u so much whispyr

[subtle kiln]

streamer privlage

[balmy condor]

my last 5 vaults have had 4 sylv daggers, 3 mythic and 1 heroic

get me out

I don't need it

blizzard stop

[surreal prism]

You also got one in raid

[balmy condor]

yeah

[subtle kiln]

glad the vault is random

[surreal prism]

That we traded to a mage

[balmy condor]

shaman

but yes

[lyric crater]

i get junk or if dagger drop some low lvl rogue get it

[surreal prism]

same thing

[storm belfry]

So we going NF?

[balmy condor]

yes

[storm belfry]

So the meme became a real thing

[balmy condor]

yeh huge bis

[oak sky]

yep

should replace that

[balmy condor]

take belt for bag ilvl

[lyric crater]

i play with NF on this patch not bad just realy sucks min i pop sep and floor drop i have to move

flowers! god i cant type or read atm

[balmy condor]

flowers is a huge aoe

a lot nicer than theotar umbrella

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

😢

[lyric crater]

true just suck min u get boss move or u have to get out of the way work better of flower was on us not the floor o well u make do lol

[hollow river]

Send that rng my way when I get home please

[toxic quail]

@hollow river i got another dagger too haha

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

i got a rock

[hollow river]

I’m still rocking a heroic

[toxic quail]

let me see 😉

[oak sky]

+1500

[toxic quail]

Imma miss you boys, im an enhance main next tier

dont forget about me

[tight ginkgo]

please adopt me and take me to your next sylv kill please im begging you please

[subtle kiln]

do you think people here actually play rogue? boys you got them fooled.

[oak sky]

[toxic quail]

we havent been able to recruit one and ive tried hard the last 4 months. so i volunteered.

[subtle kiln]

our enhancement loves it

[toxic quail]

ive been loving it tbh. tonight I get carried in farm to get geared. so im happy.

[hollow river]

I could be as well

[toxic quail]

sheeeesh look at us bro

[hollow river]

I was almost enhance main this tier lol

I like enh

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor send some of that luck my way 😦

[gusty mirage]

Can’t play that shit spec forever

[strange python]

should i focus on upgrading main hand or both at the same time?

[limber lion]

That's an odd question ngl

you obviously want to upgrade every possible gear that you can

but main hand weapon is the single biggest upgrade you can get most of the time

If you're talking about upgrading weapons via valor and you can't either upgrade one weapon to max or both half-way

it's better to max out the main hand weapon first

[strange python]

okay thanks, i will focus on main hand 1st

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

here goes nothing boys, prayge for the vault

[normal mist]

4 20's in time

4 to go!

[hollow river]

my god

[bleak sky]

ayyyyy

[hollow river]

it actually happened

[limber lion]

stonks

[normal mist]

LETS GO TRICKS

[hollow river]

lets fucking go

[pearl ingot]

gz

[neon belfry]

I just leveled my assassination rogue to 200 lvl korthia gear. What sort of dps should I be doing at this point? Also an greatly confused by the stat priorities listed on icy veins, wow head. They are all over the place. am Venthyr covenant

[bleak sky]

sim it

[normal mist]

Will you raid SoD?

if yes, Crit haste

[bleak sky]

stat priorities: whatever raidbot says

[neon belfry]

I think I will do mythics more but am waiting for 9.2 raiding unless I feel like going to SoD on normal

[hollow river]

time to sim if 252 OH or 246 EoN OH

[limber lion]

252 oh is better

[hollow river]

i figured as much

[limber lion]

been rocking the same dagger since week 1

[hollow river]

but we sim to see new sim number 🙂

[limber lion]

just changed hands at some point

yeh fo sho

[balmy condor]

they're all over the place because stat weights are all over the place

[hollow river]

yeah same i got my 252 so early

[balmy condor]

that's just how the game works

which is why we sim ourselves

[hollow river]

then i got my 246 EoN on my AOTC kill

was big pog

[subtle kiln]

grats

[hollow river]

tyty

[subtle kiln]

can I have your used heroic version?

[hollow river]

If sub didn’t need it and I could trade I’d have to give it to the other rogue in my guild

He’s had a bad run of luck this tier

[cerulean nest]

are we gonna need to farm all difficulties for tier gear?

[oak sky]

pretty much

but theres no rng shards this time which is nice

just the gear

[cerulean nest]

yeah you can target bosses I guess

[hollow river]

Tokens are going to make it a lot nicer than dom gear and shards as well

[cerulean nest]

tokens are slot specific right?

its not like you can use any token you get to fill the slot you want?

[hollow river]

Nah they’re likely slot specific

But it’s still going to make gearing much easier as tier items were going to be class specific drops and not just armor specific

[cerulean nest]

yeah thats super nice

do we know which bosses drop leather? sorry using you guys as my google rn lol

[hollow river]

The tier bosses are quite specific

[balmy condor]

tier is end wings, anduin and last 2

[hollow river]

I believe they drop all types of tier

[balmy condor]

but the rest is like

random shit

[hollow river]

Yeah

[brazen zodiac]

sup gamers

[hollow river]

So 3 bosses drop tier out of the first 8

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[hollow river]

Sup vita

[cerulean nest]

i need a wowhead link to just keep up

[hollow river]

You missed it!

[brazen zodiac]

oh i saw ur vault fuck u hoe

congrats :)

[hollow river]

(:

[oak sky]

bro

why do mages have google docs

they really arent people

[hollow river]

?????

What

[brazen zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936845819154427926/937859011380936774/Snapchat-1081918460.jpg

is this too much food for one person

am i coping

[hollow river]

Nah

That looks good af tho

[brazen zodiac]

a nice beefy breakfast for a very exhausted woman

nah eggs with english muffin slaps im offended i havent figured that out sooner

[cerulean nest]

whats the deal with there being 5 pieces of tier

but only a 4-set

is the 5th basically optional if there's a better option?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[loud light]

flexibility to use an offset piece / legendary

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[brazen zodiac]

yo trickz

[hollow river]

Kinda like bad luck protection but also an offset piece for itemization

Sup?

[brazen zodiac]

i firgot what i wsa gonna say fukc

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

how high are you vita

[hollow river]

[tulip kernel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fringe kraken]

looks like 1200 cals, probably a lot for one meal imo

[glad garden]

Did Sin ever end up getting a buff over the last few months?

[gusty mirage]

no

[oak sky]

why would it

[umbral tulip]

No need for it in raid at least

its very strong

[hollow river]

the 2pc tier bonus was buffed

[glad garden]

interesting must been a good while since i played then

[hollow river]

and then nerfed a bit because it was way too insane

but that's PTR

[glad garden]

i swear last time i was around i feel everyon was complaining about it lol

[hollow river]

maybe in 9.0

it was buffed 9.0.5

but not 9.1

[glad garden]

i know i haven't played 9.1.5 yet

hows it stack up to sub?

[hollow river]

all rogue specs are good

basically the same

for raid at least

[glad garden]

thats great to hear

[bleak sky]

you're fine

sin in M+ is fine

perfectly fine

[hollow river]

yes i know it's fine

but sub has been better

[bleak sky]

sub just provides better funnel and more stuns

[hollow river]

this is inarguable

ye

[glad garden]

either have a much better burst than the other for pvp if i want to dabble in that as well

[hollow river]

sin is usually good in 3s or rgb, sub is typically better in 2s. afaik

[glad garden]

i imagine both would wreck in world pvp for fun

we always have since day 1 lol

[solid mica]

True, iron wire is the truth though

[glad garden]

well dang didn't make my decision much easier since all specs are strong. I'll prob. give sin the 1st shot i guess it's what i left my char. on last time i was playing

@solid mica i just looked and i already got wire speced in it looks like lol

[solid mica]

Its actually insanely good for higher keys, silencing 3 mobs for 9 seconds is insane

Ive been messing around with duskwalkers and it feels way betteer than obed/zoldyck imo

[glad garden]

from what it seems i left off with im speced to Master poisoner, Night stalk, Marked, Cheat, Iron, Alacrity, and poison bomb

might change from night fae since it seems their easy to swap away from now

[hollow river]

some of those are a bit off my friend

unless it's for pvp

[glad garden]

probably so as said it's been a bit since i played.

[hollow river]

those aren't bad for pvp maybe

but in PvE atm we play EP, MFD if venthyr

EP, Vigor otherwise

and for pure ST Blindside, Deeper Strat

[glad garden]

Venthyr is what i was thinking i just hated the area so didn't want to be there

but i got flying now so i can swap

[solid mica]

Yo what if they reverted the tier 2 piece but it either ramped up to 100 or down from 100

That would be kinda pog

[hollow river]

would be interesting to try i suppose

[novel arrow]

Hi guys

DMB has recently started to use a female voice instead of the usual beeps and boops for alerts

anyone know how to change this back?

[balmy condor]

yeah, by opening the settings, and changing it back

[echo geyser]

swap to bigwigs

[umbral tulip]

[balmy condor]

yeah or that

[surreal prism]

BigWigs lets you do the voices in different languages for different abilities

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

you're trash for different reasons

[surreal prism]

[glad garden]

i have never swapped covenants before if i do is my renowned still the same rank and it swaps the the equivelent unlocked setups. or do i need to redo everything to get it back to the same level

[balmy condor]

each covenant is its own save state

if you're 40 renown kyrian, but 0 renown necro

then that will be what they're at

all the covenant builds and mission tables are also their own covenant

[glad garden]

ooof

not sure if it's worth the swap to venthyr over fae now lol

[balmy condor]

we'll be playing fae in raid next patch

[surreal prism]

It's also really fast to level renown right now

[glad garden]

fae getting a goodie or 2?

[balmy condor]

tier set buffs sepsis

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/rogue-double-legendaries-in-9-2-combinations-for-assassination-outlaw-and-325774?webhook

can also read about things here

I heard the guy who wrote it is really smart and funny and attractive

[glad garden]

i'll keep fae then im already solid using sepsis

[balmy condor]

and his dick is like 25 inches long

[glad garden]

meh i've seen him i would for sure smash

[balmy condor]

😳

[umbral tulip]

[balmy condor]

I might do some necro m+ next patch too

so I have to level everything

[glad garden]

i actually enjoyed the necro area more than any of them i thin

[umbral tulip]

just got 76 as NF spamming torghast layer 9, my last covenant before all are maxed

and yes, I am bored

[glad garden]

so if im staying Fae then Vigor is probably better for me

[balmy condor]

vigor in 2022

[glad garden]

makes me sad my friend

i've loved Night stalker and Marked for death for a very long time

and both are gone now lol

[umbral tulip]

what did vigor do to you?

[balmy condor]

mfd is better than vigor tho

[umbral tulip]

I just looked at this and basically decided

did anything change or has it always been better?

[brazen zodiac]

i eat about half of that cuz bf eats a lot of it too. hm kk thx

[oak sky]

vigor just isnt that good

[balmy condor]

It’s better for venthyr

[umbral tulip]

oh

[balmy condor]

And there were some apl updates like 2 months ago

[umbral tulip]

so vigor is better if I am venth then

[balmy condor]

No

[glad garden]

did i have that backwards? i thought mfd was best for venthyr and vigor was best for everything else

[balmy condor]

Mfd is better for venth

[umbral tulip]

ah

cus of flag stacks or what?

[balmy condor]

Ya

Next tier tho

DEEPER

THE KING

[glad garden]

lol i refuse

[brazen zodiac]

fk

[umbral tulip]

[glad garden]

we will never accept deeper strat

[balmy condor]

Venth mfd will still be the talent of choice calm down

But everything else is deeper

That’s why I’m playing fae

:)

[umbral tulip]

but with the apl now, do you just save mfd for flag and line them up always or?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s on cooldown and then hold for flag

[glad garden]

you just heard i was Fae and decided to swap over to be with me don't lie ☼¿☼

[balmy condor]

Pick your poison

Fae is better, but plays deeper

Venth plays mfd but is slightly worse

[glad garden]

meh either way it's like romeo and juliet im gonna end up dead lol

[umbral tulip]

ill try mfd next raid then I guess, see how it goes

[brazen zodiac]

shit

[balmy condor]

Mfd sims like

1.2% higher for people on venth

Idk why so many people cling to vigor

It’s like actually bad

[umbral tulip]

cus we are boomers, refusing all change

and vigor is passive

[glad garden]

so deeper is a better choice even now ?

[balmy condor]

No

Deeper is a better choice with tier

[glad garden]

kk

[balmy condor]

Because the tier gives us so much fucking energy it’s unreal

[brazen zodiac]

pseudo haste

pog

[sinful citrus]

is sin looking pretty decent with the 4set and double leggos?

[glad garden]

no tier as of yet for me 1st day back i haven'

[balmy condor]

10% energy regen huge, 1 mutilate a minute

[glad garden]

haven't even played 9.1.5 yet

[brazen zodiac]

based

[umbral tulip]

so what amount of energy do I pool to without vigor? like 70?

[balmy condor]

No tier for anyone :P tier is 9.2

[glad garden]

even better lol

[balmy condor]

30 from max

[glad garden]

then im not to far behind lol

[brazen zodiac]

pooling probs more important with DS ye?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[umbral tulip]

got it, ty

[balmy condor]

Not really

Pooling as a whole isn’t too important

[glad garden]

so for now until 9.2 if im fae then Vigor > Marked > Deeper after 9.2 for fae with tier then Deeper > Marked > Vigor if i understood that all

[balmy condor]

From 0 pooling to perfect pooling it’s like 1%

Deeper probably more important

But like

1% -> 1.1% important

[brazen zodiac]

nice thx

[solid mica]

I love deeper+blindside

[whole mason]

that's not the reason.

[solid mica]

Tell me its deeper+blind whisp

[balmy condor]

ep deeper

[umbral tulip]

just remember not to pool right before a mechanic like veil on sylv where you cant dps, thats just wasted energy

[solid mica]

Noooooo

[balmy condor]

people notice the max energy from vigor a lot more yeah I know

it's a joke

[solid mica]

Blind is myboi

[balmy condor]

vigor energy regen is like

the biggest meme

because you actually just don't notice

but not having the max energy in your opener is noticable

and that's why people bitch

[glad garden]

@balmy condor as of now even though a few guides are different on whats being said. im setting on Elaborate, Master Sin, Vigor, Cheat, Iron, Alacrity, and Tempest. fair combination that will hold up correctly until 9.2 hits with some tiers and leggos? or which of those would you replace until 9.2?

[oak sky]

depends on content

[glad garden]

preferably myth and raids with adds

[whole mason]

There's a theory for many sins that pooling before shiv and env as many times as possible. This makes them thinking higher energy cap is much better because they "do" more in shiv window.

[balmy condor]

[glad garden]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[strange python]

:o 11k p3 sylv dam

[brazen zodiac]

pog

h or m

[arctic walrus]

only?

[strange python]

No externals

M

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[clever kindle]

platform 3 in p3 sylv the end is in sight

[viscid spear]

Get 'er, tiger

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[spice spire]

You said M, but all I see is a W

[strange python]

U guys are my fav

Hyping up

[viscid spear]

We're always hyped

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

I'd hate to have to put down the unhyped

Be a real shame

Get hyped or get wiped

[strange python]

:( still didn't orange cause externals n strat

Also can't pink guardian without externals :(

[glass tulip]

254 equipped gamer, no daggie tonight tho

[silver turtle]

Are you guys speccing full single target for m+ this week?

[foggy thicket]

Will we be NF or venthyr next patch?

[silver turtle]

The group is frost mage ele shammy and me. So I figure I’d go full single target

[arctic walrus]

is the affix this week removed trash?

[foggy thicket]

Saw some guys saying nf will be better, but idk

I think nf is very meme

Haha

[glass tulip]

[silver turtle]

Is community figure code for sarcastic asshole or is that just you? @arctic walrus

[glass tulip]

what are affixes this week I didnt even look lol

[silver turtle]

Tyrannical explosive bursting

[glass tulip]

and im not sure the build ever changes

[silver turtle]

Just wasn’t sure if it changes if you feel like ur group has enough aoe

[junior rampart]

Tyr, bursting and volcano shit

[silver turtle]

Sorry volcanic my bad

Not explosive

[bleak sky]

n o

never change

[junior rampart]

I sometimes go Nadja for ToP and PF on tyra week.

[glass tulip]

ask @gusty mirage

[arctic walrus]

The only thing you would consider swapping is legendaries, between doomblade obe and zold. Your talents will/shouldn't ever change. Not a single affix will ever affect the overall flow of a dungeon, which is aoe oriented, regardless of comp. You simply gain too much from subt/ct, rather than lose on st.

[bleak sky]

no that's most cfs and whispur as shadowblades too!

[balmy condor]

bruh

[bleak sky]

tf you doing here

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

@arctic walrus we have no warrior buff after wiping on sylv for an hour

[drifting cloud]

[oak sky]

our warrior got benched for the reclear

[brazen zodiac]

f

[arctic walrus]

?

[drifting cloud]

that doesnt seem wise

[glass tulip]

I mean if they suck they suck

their buff is meaningless if they are dead

[arctic walrus]

that's not how that works

[drifting cloud]

you might want to double check the math on that

[glass tulip]

I would not bring in a warrior buyer as a buff

[gusty mirage]

I'm not a scientist

[glass tulip]

ask whispyr to sim it, I dont do math

dead warrior =

[oak sky]

it just blows

[balmy condor]

tf you doing here

[hollow river]

we reclear sylv with no monk buff

literally every week

it's pretty tragic

[oak sky]

i dont get to parse

[drifting cloud]

monk buff is less than half of warr buff

[oak sky]

bc hes palying bad

[balmy condor]

monk buff is like 3% I think

[hollow river]

i know this

but it still fucking blows

[balmy condor]

war buff is closer to 8.5?

[bleak sky]

I'm vibing with paindaddy

hoping for a veinripper on the 20th kill maybe who knows the game hates me

[ebon lichen]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hexed frost]

@balmy condor I remember you saying about keeping up CT in Flag window if you're playing Obediance even in ST. How much % increase in DPS can we expect out of it? and what is the reasoning behind this? Increased versa?

[oak sky]

youre supposed to maintain ct in st with any leggo besides dashing outside shiv

it does more than envenom

[hexed frost]

I've been playing assa wrong for all the time

[sonic briar]

wait wut

holy shit damn

[hexed frost]

UPDATE THE GUIDES REEEEEE!!!

[slow marsh]

They are updated noobs, you just don't read them 😛

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

guide useless discord better

[lucid birch]

[slow marsh]

yeah discord will validate my choice to use vigor

(i don't use vigor btw dont' get any ideas)

[oak sky]

@slow marsh why do you use vigor

delete this

now

[slow marsh]

I use vigor because it makes it easier to get 4x garretts off on open

[oak sky]

[tulip kernel]

Can’t believe I have to learn how to be a fairy man

[lucid birch]

we love faeries

[hexed frost]

Yeah first thing i noticed when switching to MfD. Only 3 subterfuged garrotes

But 30 stack flags

[oak sky]

You always only get 3 subterfuge garrotes

4th one is never buffed

If you can only get 3, youre getting 2 and the third is unbuffed

[ebon thorn]

don't tell me we're using sylv daggers for 9.2 prog

[balmy condor]

We are

At least in offhand

Main hand probably replaceable

But I doubt you’ll be able to get 2 high ilvl daggers

[marble hemlock]

Coming from the guy who got like 5 sylv daggers in 3 kills+greatvaults

[ebon thorn]

how did u know

[marble hemlock]

[glass tulip]

mythic rygelon here we come

[dense rivet]

What is the best covenant for PVP assasination?

[oak sky]

check with #pvp or a guide

might be necro or kyrian tho if i was guessing

[dense rivet]

@oak skyYeah i was looking at icy veins they recommend necro or night

[oak sky]

this is mostly a pve channel so its not super likely you're gonna get a definite answer here

good luck finding out though

[glass tulip]

I would highly recommend necro over anything else though for pvp

fleshcraft is a must have

[dense rivet]

yeah its so op

[normal mist]

Finally 252 Phial....

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

@balmy condor you mainly play sub right?

[dark token]

you didnt use the meme

it works so well

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m a sub otp idk why they would let me write the sin guide honestly

[normal mist]

God darn it I didn't know about the meme I'm a pleb

[normal mist]

Altought this is a sin channel, is there any video guide by you or anyone you know from the sub community about tips and tricks for sub in m+?

[timid cloud]

Bit w bit c if you ask me.

Should’ve let Oxi do it.

[balmy condor]

M+ videos difficult to make

Even more difficult than raid

[timid cloud]

[dark token]

i just watch streamer keys 25+ and there is a collection of small things in m+ you can use cloak/feint/evasion on in a google doc

[balmy condor]

Because raid is a lot more scripted

[dark token]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQUy8zeFKz-vhwoExtDchUlXoxiiHvw0UcqLGJGexgbZvmfy4D5ln_hzIE9_OfLXkJKD6XA4YYPAoP/pubhtml#

[balmy condor]

M+ has a ton of decision making that you just kinda have to learn by doing

[balmy condor]

Could just !def :P

[normal mist]

I see :/ I started playing sub this last reset, managed to clean 2 20's with no prio sub experience (not flexing, I actually find it pretty simple to play, either I'm a God or I'm doing something really wrong) and wanted to find out how I could improve

[timid cloud]

Jokes aside. You gotta see a lot of keys to just know timings for stuff usually. Even if everyone is different. It really is a practice makes perfect.

These next few weeks are gonna be easy.

[normal mist]

Really? I'm 4/8 20's done, lookin forward to clean the other 4 this week

[timid cloud]

Ya.