I’m living that dream rn mr. ramfam 
#assassination
echo geyser
steel ridge
the stealth use from sepsis is used for ambush right?
echo geyser
does it even trigger anything else?
i dont think u get subterfuge garrote but i could be wrong
echo geyser
yeah 
spice spire
I mean the silence is something
weak plover
Cheapshot big
steel ridge
lulz
am i seeing this straight
shadowblades procs on garrote °_°
like from the dot
spice spire
Wat
steel ridge
i have 28 shadowblade hits in 5 seconds
spice spire
PTR?
steel ridge
yes
spice spire
Toxic onslaught?
steel ridge
yeah thats not the thing... its kinda giving 50% shadow damage on the bleed ticks oO
spice spire
Oh you mean the bleeds are giving the bonus, not causing shadowblades to be active
steel ridge
spice spire
I see, my mistake 
steel ridge
and vendetta doesnt cut sepsis duration in half
echo geyser
limber lion
and vendetta doesnt cut sepsis duration in half
Currently
It was mentioned that it's a bug and it should affect it
Would mean that we get the entire Sepsis inside of Shiv and a faster activation of TO
Nothing crazy, but it's something
steel ridge
its one heck of a burst tho
limber lion
Yuup
steel ridge
i am sold on fae
steel ridge
is it good without tier set tho?
limber lion
is it good without tier set tho?
No
steel ridge
oof, so sticking to venthyr until 4piece?
limber lion
2p is probably enough to change to NF
steel ridge
sweet
cobalt hemlock
whats the best way to get the nightfae conduit to max lvl.
limber lion
Korthia conduit upgrades and Torghast's Adamant Vaults for weekly conduit upgrade.
Korthia of course being the fastest, if you're in a rush.
cobalt hemlock
just getting it just in case nightfae is actually the best covenant
limber lion
Yeh, just doing weekly adamant vaults is enough to get it if you have everything else at 252 already
copper sundial
More importantly than the conduit at 252, you gotta make sure you have the proper soulshape animal setup before next patch.
cobalt hemlock
is the long boy soulshape obtainable this patch or the next
glass tulip
Wowhead says bruto soul is going to be 1000 currency
I forget the name, the forge of souls stuff
latent gazelle
https://tenor.com/view/wow-dance-raptor-soul-shape-night-fae-gif-19755005
Wait raptor gets a dance emote but my alpaca doesn’t?!?
latent gazelle
It has a funny jump animation but I didn’t dance for me
copper sundial
Snapping turtle
limber lion
Tiger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else
gusty mirage
How’s that IO grind coming pal?
spice spire
Low blow bro
spice spire
How’s that checks notes pvp grind?
spice spire
Rival 2200, or 2400?
gusty mirage
Rival’s 1800
gloomy knoll
Moose is best
spice spire
Oh, 
gusty mirage
Duelist is 2100, elite is 2400
gusty mirage
No
spice spire
I haven’t pvp’d in literally over a decade
spice spire
Ahhh it was the mmr, which means little, but still.
Another 9 vaulter this week; you mad lad?
spice spire
Based
spice spire
Do you even need anything at this point? Phial?
gusty mirage
So I’ll get ksm and afk until 10.0
spice spire
Yeah I’m not happy with it
Like tormented was neat at first, but 
I’ll probably do KSH for conduits
steel ridge
I’m done with m+ and the new seasonal affix sucks donkey dicks
That bad ?
gusty mirage
That bad ?
It’s awful bro
gusty mirage
One buff is a shroud, one is a 20% haste buff for 45s and one is increase cd recovery by 25% for 45s lol
spice spire
Bro the 2p synergy tho
gusty mirage
steel ridge
Soa worse prideful?
gusty mirage
Somehow yeah
spice spire
Back to rigid routes
tight ginkgo
more haste? gotta be a sin m+ tier 
spice spire
more haste? gotta be a sin m+ tier <:copium:854628182104080414>
Mister muse, it’s never a sin tier for m+ you might overdose from that copium
tight ginkgo
think of the minutes of extra 20% haste we'll get over the course of the dungeon though 
spice spire
Sheesh we 8.3 all over again boys
EXSANGUINATE MISTER CF?! Is it viable when can I exsang?!?!?
gusty mirage
EXSANGUINATE MISTER CF?! Is it viable when can I exsang?!?!?
Don’t need the talent when it’s cooked into the 4pc bb
tight ginkgo
does it break the game if you exsanguinate the exsanguinate tier set?
arctic walrus
gusty mirage
But the musclebrah opener
I’ll fok fok ct you
limber lion
does it break the game if you exsanguinate the exsanguinate tier set?
No, but it feels pretty bad
gusty mirage
<:BadW:726626529202667594>
timid cloud
I’m about to spit.
Using your AOE spender in a Single Target situation is not intuitive gameplay. 🔊
I’m steamed like a little dumpling right now.
spice spire
Intuitive gameplay isn’t always a necessary element, especially when the spec is largely unchanged in 6-7 years
timid cloud
spice spire
A change of pace can be a good thing
slow marsh
if you're talking about CT we've been using that in ST situations when talented the whole xpac, it's just dashing changed it
steel ridge
CT taking over again?
alpine latch
fawk... we're not running CT in raid in 9.2 are we? That would by annoying
gusty mirage
No we’re not
alpine latch
Thank god
gusty mirage
It’ll be for fights with a ton of adds
Kind of like you play CT on soulrender and KT now
timid cloud
Doing some quick redives of 9.0 & 9.0.5
gusty mirage
Couldn’t tell you, I haven’t bothered paying attention to the raid testing
gusty mirage
If you were talented into it, you could use it in ST (it was essentially like the smallest ounce of dps to CT outside of shiv)
timid cloud
It just wasn’t worth it.
spice spire
You used it on huntsman
spice spire
And again, outside of shiv, it was a slight gain to still press the button on ST moments
spice spire
It added to db as well.
8.3 was the outlier were CT ST was the norm
But this is just a “when it’s talented, it’ll probably be a slight gain” type of deal
potent dagger
Hmmmm currently on sims CT pull ahead of PBomb ^^
slow marsh
We'll probably end up using CT for a lot of the fights considering how many adds are in each of them
potent dagger
For my sims at least ^^
spice spire
Post juice, dritzz. I’ve learned to not doubt until I see the evidence myself 
Mr. iceblades taught me that
Fucking subterfuge in 9.1
slow marsh
CT is usually a gain in fights with even one extra add target so since most fights have at least 2 target cleave I don't see why we wouldn't use CT
But what do I know right
timid cloud
Yeah. Post being gaslit in 9.0 to NF & it being dog, I will not be partaking it until it actually shows up relevant & makes it to live.
clever kindle
Exsang was a one tier jewel
if were being real it was a meme in nyalotha as well you could get the same damage out of your normal build and I think my best pull ever on m nzoth wasnt even using expedient lol
did did feel 
though
spice spire
I mean, it fits the logic of huntsman. If it’s consistent 2t cleave then it’ll be good - CT in new raid
spice spire
Yeah. Post being gaslit in 9.0 to NF & it being dog, I will not be partaking it ...
That wasn’t gaslit homie
That was the best option
potent dagger
Post juice, dritzz. I’ve learned to not doubt until I see the evidence myself <:...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ix8Xs8w9CZqE74K1YK1TV6 here you are ^^
clever kindle
There you go, took me a bit anyways lol
gusty mirage
But what do I know right
clever kindle
to overcome the hump
slow marsh
It's not just you it's been the last few days I've just been getting shit on
NF stuff getting to people's heads I think
timid cloud
It’s all that former MP talk.
slow marsh
The madness is setting in
hexed frost
Mister muse, it’s never a sin tier for m+ you might overdose from that copium
Make subterfuge buff stack and give additional CP. Make garrote-->garrote-->garrote-->finisher great again
slow marsh
I think peeps are just probs tired of my shenanigans is all
timid cloud
Or was that 2 months ago...I can’t remember.
slow marsh
yeah it was
spice spire
I think peeps are just probs tired of my shenanigans is all
I like to meme you mr. iceblades
Please forgive me
timid cloud
There you go, took me a bit anyways lol
That was N’zoth?
spice spire
Iceblades, known nf apologist and progenitor
scenic kelp
why i cant open the sims in the pins? o0 it says SIMULATION NOT FOUND
spice spire
I got into some dark tech trying to fix that sim, Ice
potent dagger
Every option was just trash
Hm ?
spice spire
why i cant open the sims in the pins? o0 it says SIMULATION NOT FOUND
They’re only kept a month iirc
potent dagger
ok ^^
spice spire
I’m running your stuff and double checking now drit because that’s what I do, to make sure the validity
I’ve been proven wrong plenty of times and love to see what causes what
potent dagger
Sure sure , be my guest ^^
spice spire
timid cloud
Actually sandbagging if we played it.
gusty mirage
Bro how tf do you sim anything on mobile @spice spire this shit sucks
timid cloud
Yeah, Quake knows how to take the L.
Trust me, I’ve seen it.
It’s usually whenever Oxi says something.
spice spire
Bro how tf do you sim anything on mobile <@!226508540746006528> this shit sucks
It’s like training in a hyperbolic time chamber king
timid cloud
Also it takes a mad-man to sim on mobile.
spice spire
I run through shit on PC
timid cloud
Absolutely mad lad.
gusty mirage
I also log review on mobile
So you hate yourself, got it
timid cloud
Mine doesn’t show anything well on mobile. I don’t even bother.
spice spire
Yessir
@ oxi there
Also ran the first with KA 
Mb on that, left that line in
But CT did show as top, pretty interesting stuff
potent dagger
Dunno why it pulled ahead for me ^^'
potent dagger
Maybe a combination of my crit rate and the frost gems
spice spire
No swift sim poor looking rogue, smh
spice spire
Yeah within margin is still impressive
potent dagger
i'm thinking that it will still be the case in the 9.2 since i don't think that Poison bomb will be buffed by the 2p whereas CT will ^^'
spice spire
I’m lowering the amount of iterations to see if I can get a report and check everything there
potent dagger
K thanks for the investigation ^^
spice spire
I wonder if it’s because you’re literally all haste/crit.
It would make some sense given that.
You’re rocking 114 mastery and 175 vers.
I’m thinking that could be the culprit. But that’s just a hypothesis 
slow marsh
CT is only -50 for me so makes sense
It's a combination of being able to keep CT up without being punished as hard compared to last tier and obedience making the extra bleed chunk pretty decently
limber lion
I think peeps are just probs tired of my shenanigans is all
Maybe it's going from "Venthyr CT is the best build in 9.2" to "I've been the NF preacher all this time". Man gets shown sims that CT is not worth it and goes "yeah idk, still think it's better."
Also you only speak in absolutes, as in "This is the best way to do this" and "this is the best build" and "this is the best conduit" and "this is the way we will play"
It's a very frustrating way of talking, that's all.
And you know it already.
slow marsh
👍
limber lion
Oshosi got shit on every day for doing the exact same thing. You don't want to turn into Oshosi v2.
Anyways, wtb a release date already 
gusty mirage
Anyways, wtb a release date already <:exsangery:830021268207304735>
I know it and I'm not going to tell you
limber lion
I'm not all for the "patch is releasing in 1.5 weeks!" thingy that they like to pull off
slow marsh
I'll try to be more wishy washy with my takes instead of growing a pair so that people will be less frustrated with me when i'm right. mb
limber lion
I'll try to be more wishy washy with my takes instead of growing a pair so that ...
See, this sentence gives out "I'm always right and I'm never wrong" vibes and it's terrible. We don't like that in here.
Maybe you just ignore all the times when you've missed the mark
Because there's plenty of those out there as well, let me tell ya
Throw 100 darts at a wall and one will stick
Anyways, let's not continue. Back to Assassination and Night Fae.
slow marsh
Na I'm fine if I'm wrong and am man enough to accept when I am. It's more so the lack of respect that drives me to be more "told you so" attitude than even i'd like to be
just natural reaction
kindred rapids
Think happy 
thoughts
spice spire
I wonder with gear and all if it’ll be a two horse race in 9.2, or if it will just be a one covenant show.
inland hull
More variety seems good. I like idea that covenant swapping may not be viewed as trolling
viscid spear
Two covenants enter, one leaves
edgy orbit
I just wish sepsis had shorter cooldown.
inland hull
That being said, not looking forward to this renown grind
viscid spear
No better time than now to do it
limber lion
I think both Venthyr and Night Fae will see serious play in all kind of content
spice spire
But that’s good, I think it will too, but I thought it would be more competitive this tier
limber lion
There's so much talk going on about rogue being a class that's brought for prio damage
And Venth probably does that better
(Fun fact, Necrolord did more prio damage in Castle Nathria than Venthyr)
spice spire
Venthyr had a lot of improvements over the tier and mnemonic device was a very very bad final row.
Wasn’t that due to the sbs bug? Or just due to gemstones being nutty?
limber lion
Venthyr had a lot of improvements over the tier and mnemonic device was a very v...
It's even impossible to pronounce 
limber lion
Wasn’t that due to the sbs bug? Or just due to gemstones being nutty?
Nah, just the nature of the ability
timid cloud
Yeah, back when Flag was a worthless ability.
limber lion
On decent AoE packs you got 5-6CP for every SBS that you used
So you could do stuff like SBS Env SBS Env SBS Env
spice spire
Because sbs was fixed to be good in .5 only. 9.0 sbs was sketch
timid cloud
SBS on Sire & Huntsman.
timid cloud
We don't talk about that boss.
limber lion
(And Council tbh)
spice spire
Yeah, it was. I’ve hipstered this whole tier, was venthyr in 9.0.5, Necrolord on 9.1.
Wildin’ out
inland hull
Plus it has a better sound effect, so that's a 2% dps increase
slow marsh
sbs also bugged on sire so you got 4-5 cps from each sbs in p3
timid cloud
Or that other one.
limber lion
P3 Sire with the SBS bug
is legitimately one of the most fun things I've done in SL
Actually a lot of fun
slow marsh
that fight in general was a lot of fun as necro
timid cloud
Ehhh.
slow marsh
felt like you were actually minmaxing the fight
timid cloud
I think the fight is fine, just people make the experiences bad.
spice spire
I wasn’t a fan of a lot of CN, but sire was a bright spot for me
slow marsh
take SLG out and CN was a banger raid imo
timid cloud
Same for Painsmith & Fatescribe.
spice spire
Yeah, I get that, but I think a fight can be well designed but frustrating in a group. I was going to say painsmith specifically as an example
Even remnant to a lesser degree
spice spire
Fatescribe I’m not a huge fan of personally, it’s kind of a boring fight
That’s just mental boom prone
70 wipes in rn
gusty mirage
to what
spice spire
Remnant
gusty mirage
unfort
inland hull
We had more wipes in Sire than any boss in our guild history because people kept getting yeeted off the walkways
spice spire
For some reason I have to call dispels which is
inland hull
Gravity boss is real
timid cloud
Going through the mirror & pulling everyone to you was big fun.
limber lion
The only bad design about Sire for me, was the massive overlap in p3
It was hard to deal with
as in, sometimes it was impossible to deal with and you died to it because 
unlucky
spice spire
Yeah, it was step to a dk or someone that could take the overlap or get bent, yeah?
limber lion
Also p1 was too long and we had to hold dps after getting some gear, not great.
limber lion
Yeah, it was step to a dk or someone that could take the overlap or get bent, ye...
Yeh, you either step on top of someone or get a BOP
I just ran on the red stuff with cloak and prayed to god
spice spire
I did forget about that nasty overlap
limber lion
The shadowstep worked most times, but I did die twice to our dk being misplaced
shadowstep in, insta-dead
spice spire
limber lion
But yeh, it was pretty fun. Definitely more challenging that Sylv p3
spice spire
I watched a few povs
limber lion
(At least for the melee boys)
The soakers and tank boys might have a tougher time, but I wouldn't know as a melee mongoloid
spice spire
Cleared mythic Xymox and called it a tier
limber lion
Getting through Artificer is a good feat
Wasn't a pleasant boss that one
It was fun until you got cucked by every mechanic
spice spire
Reminds me a lot of remnant this tier.
Spell que boss that’s difficult based on push timers
I enjoyed it a bit, but it was definitely an experience. Still I think that guild killed in sub 50 pulls, so it was pretty neat to help out with that
quasi grotto
need to get my game on for 9.2 is NF looking like the the way we're going? or should i be staying venth for subbing m+
oh wait. thats not a thing anymore is it i can do both
bold lintel
Do you guys think if using sylvanas dagger is worth on sylvanas fight? Cause you barely get the more than 2 stacks for the fight
when in comparision i could have 252 dagger in my offhand instead of 246 edge
nimble tartan
melee has been really easy this tier hopefully next one is interesting
median silo
I think sylv daggers bis if you use clever mechanics for extra stacks yeh?
limber lion
when in comparision i could have 252 dagger in my offhand instead of 246 edge
You can try simming a patchwork with fixed health percentage and see how they perform
But yeah, if you don't abuse the sac bug, then I think it's a safe bet to use a 252 off hand
We don't get too much from a 246 oh
bold lintel
sac bug?
bold lintel
alright, thanks
limber lion
Seems inconsistent and hard to set up
Nah, it's super consistent and easy to setup with the current tech
Didn't work when we first found it
But it works everytime now
brazen zodiac
lol
spice spire
spice spire
Unethical gaming
nimble tartan
whats that fire item
gusty mirage
descrating shot on sylv? don't mind if I do
gusty mirage
whats that fire item
nitro fuel
nimble tartan
i was doing it with campfire and it felt bad
nimble tartan
yeah i know the pot i thought the fire icon was some other item
nimble tartan
i see
gusty mirage
cev's a degenerate whore for deeps
nimble tartan
i think its just weird on sub cause we do like 3 macros prepull timer based
gusty mirage
kek
spice spire
(I know it wasn’t 3m, we’re embellishing)
alpine latch
Paid 3m for a phial
And looted it himself too
gusty mirage
I bet 4 stacks of banshee's is a lot more damage than your voodoo prepull nonsense
nimble tartan
but its not too bad just callin it on stuff like sylv arrow dot to get stacks up
nimble tartan
naw just do both bro
limber lion
whats that fire item
it's literally just campfire
nimble tartan
i see i see
timid cloud
Gut the pre-pull shenanigans.
gusty mirage
nimble tartan
stop playing with the sub boys
when its the best maybe next tier!
vestal wren
Gut the pre-pull shenanigans.
wouldn't mind that
nimble tartan
its probably fine on sin
nimble tartan
ive had good success on bosses just callin it on some dam get 4 stacks like 30 secs in the fight vs pull
callin sac that is
glass tulip
Am bad at game, so it is triggering blight stacks off of damage you're taking instead of the bosses hp?
nimble tartan
something with redirecting damage taken bugs it and adds stacks yeah
gusty mirage
Am bad at game, so it is triggering blight stacks off of damage you're taking in...
🍝
glass tulip
Spaghetti code, true
gusty mirage
and apparently they're not exactly sure what's causing it
nimble tartan
are they gonna add max ilvl rogue weapons 
gusty mirage
so it looks like it'll be a bit before they fix it
glass tulip
So the most reliable way to try and do it is the wod alcohol campfire thing?
gusty mirage
either that or purposefully stand in mechanics to take dam and transfer it
knives plus one or two descrating shots on sylv is enough to get up to 4 stacks
glass tulip
So call for sac and take dam, got it
gusty mirage
yeppers
you need to refresh it sometime in p2 or at the beginning of p3
because it falls off after 10min
nimble tartan
i think its somewhat harder on the frost classes right? cause of the shield
gusty mirage
I haven't had much issues tbh
nimble tartan
i see ok
gusty mirage
because standing in a descrating shot is a ton of dam
standing in 2 chunks you down to like 30% absorbs or not
spice spire
Ur a ton of dam
gusty mirage
Ur a ton of dam
no u
gusty mirage
yeah I just cba to scuff my opener
I told them to give both sacs to the sub rogue though
cuz like I only have 1 259 dagger and it'd be more damage for him
lean fossil
Didn't work when we first found it
how do you get it to work? mine doesnt build stacks when i try...
gusty mirage
it needs to actually do damage to the pally
so if they have an absorb it scuffs it a bit
lean fossil
ahhh
limber lion
how do you get it to work? mine doesnt build stacks when i try...
- Put a campfire down
- Use Nitrofuel at 1-2s prepull
- Paladin uses sac the first second of the encounter
- ????
- PROFIT!
limber lion
Anduin
sharp zodiac
@limber lion gonna mess around with NF dream in Normal PTR friday. Still EP/vigor with dusk and toxic onslaught?
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> gonna mess around with NF dream in Normal PTR friday. Stil...
EP/DS
Gl!
limber lion
Not worth on ST, great on cleave
scenic kelp
Some new infos which Talent Build and covenant will be the best for 9.2? 😅
limber lion
EP Subt DS
limber lion
Some new infos which Talent Build and covenant will be the best for 9.2? 😅
NF, talents above
scenic kelp
Ty!
scenic kelp
NF, talents above
Going dw or niya? And which conduits?
limber lion
Going dw or niya? And which conduits?
dw, septic shock, wps, lp
scenic kelp
dw, septic shock, wps, lp
You are fast mate gracias!
limber lion
You are fast mate gracias!
:')
sharp zodiac
so what’s the opener after garrote now
It’s just going to be slightly different right
limber lion
SnD up as fast as possible, followed by the usage of Ambush from Subterfuge
After that bleeds up asap, meaning Rupture at 4-5 CP
Then Sepsis - Vend - Shiv
brazen zodiac
this gonna be rad
limber lion
After that mantain bleeds at all times, making sure to try to extend bleeds at the last 3s of Vendetta for the overhang
sharp zodiac
So vanish at the end of vendetta to get empowered garrote again?
limber lion
No, Vanish as soon as your first garrote is about to drop
making sure to use the ambush procs from the subterfuge again
and from sepsis
but you refresh garrote and rupture 3s before vendetta ends to get a full value out of the overhanging bleeds
sharp zodiac
This talent set and opener is applying to all covs or just NF?
limber lion
Just NF
sharp zodiac
Venth is playing same as they are now?
limber lion
Venth is playing same as they are now?
Correct, except using EP/Subt/MFD talents
for threads
limber lion
Need a <a:CheckThePins:857117702719012884> for threads
It's literally right there
next to the pin button
brazen zodiac
xd
limber lion
That thread has been here for months now, but yeh.
It's a permanent addition for now
sharp zodiac
brazen zodiac
🫂
alpine latch
So, if I know I'm not getting 10/12M next tier, should I make one of my r7 legendaries on the chest for the extra stats?
Since that comes from either 10/12 or 11/12 boss?
spice spire
That’s probably going to be explored close to release with bis lists and whatnot
Also known as the whispyr special
gusty mirage
Since that comes from either 10/12 or 11/12 boss?
well you can get tier pieces from m+ box now
and pvp
so
idk if they're making it so the item drops the effect or if they're going with their original idea that you can craft something to put the effect on an existing item
alpine latch
Well yeah but you don't think I'll be able to get tier set from bosses I haven't killed, will I?
Because if I can get Mythic tier set from +15s
Fuck. Yes.
alpine latch
Well, we still have shit loot RNG
Aren't they making it craftable also?
In case of really, really bad RNG?
gusty mirage
However, at some unannounced point in Patch 9.2, players will be able to craft Tier Sets on any piece of gear with the Creation Catalyst which will help with bad luck protection. In addition, Tier Sets items can drop from the Great Vault from all forms of content.
ye
alpine latch
I wonder if it's the same level though - IE, if we're doing +15s do we really get the Mythic version
Or if they set some weird ass "you can only get Heroics from +15s" rule to it
alpine latch
True, but 2 set pieces from from the last 3 (Anduin + whatever his name is)
icy thunder
How exactly does dashing scoundrel work?
weak plover
Envenom also increases the critical strike chance of your poisons by 15%, and their critical strikes generate 1 Energy.
visual prairie
BUT HOW?
weak plover
1 point : [(16% of Attack power) * 1] damage, 2 sec
2 points: [(16% of Attack power) * 2] damage, 3 sec
3 points: [(16% of Attack power) * 3] damage, 4 sec
4 points: [(16% of Attack power) * 4] damage, 5 sec
5 points: [(16% of Attack power) * 5] damage, 6 sec```Damage
median silo
How much dps do u need to get into sell heroic carries as assa, or is it a parse and kill count thing? I only managed to scrape together 1.6m this tier and that was mostly from korthite crystals
bleak sky
That's up to your community of choice.
bleak sky
Most of the time it's 90/95+ logs and a few mythic kills
balmy condor
Yeah
median silo
Sweet thanks 🙂
glass tulip
Some you have to have CE, those guys suck :)
But yeah better parses will always look better to whoever is choosing the boosting team
bleak sky
Some you have to have CE, those guys suck :)
faster boosting tho
glass tulip
It's true, they are obviously better most of the time
I'm just salty that I didn't get in after applying to over 50+ raids 🙃
nimble tartan
its really good early on
gusty mirage
Rather be poor than waste a ton of time boosting
yea making 300-400k gold in an hour and a half sucks
nimble tartan
like this tier i boosted heroic sylv for the first handful of weeks it was like 2 hr raid 750k everytime
when it tapers off thats when im out
oak sky
yea making 300-400k gold in an hour and a half sucks
Exactly glad you understand
nimble tartan
made a clean 10m
gusty mirage
omr be my sugar daddy
bleak sky
not enjoying the 80k cuts from a +15
gusty mirage
bleak sky
nimble tartan
i have 600k left dude im broke
oak sky
Yeah im never boosting a key
gusty mirage
bro fuck boosting keys
oak sky
Not on my life
gusty mirage
I made 45k in 15 minutes doing jaina carries
bleak sky
you're legit fighting for table scraps
just be the top dog 
glass tulip
Rather be poor than waste a ton of time boosting
Raiding is one of the only pieces of content I really enjoy so it's being paid to play, not wasting time :)
thorn fjord
20 bucks gets you 200k gold
oak sky
Sure raiding is fun but im not tryna spam heroic when i get nothing out of it
glass tulip
@nimble tartan tf you spend 10M on this tier🤣
nimble tartan
i bought all the hs battleground skins everytime they popped up
then i got diablo 2 i never played that
then i got the ultimate cod vanguard edition i played for like 3 weeks with the boys was W
and then the rest idk what happened
ohh the rest i lost gambling
oak sky
Couldve bought a brutosaur from bmah instead
nimble tartan
down
oak sky
Unlucky
nimble tartan
3m
glass tulip
I am addicted to death rolls
I used to sit in oribos and just spam trade chat looking for people to play
nimble tartan
im too scared for deathrolll i just lost hella 200k 500k rolls with 10 people in
glass tulip
My cash stack is around 2M right now, I just don't want to have to worry about money on items I need early in the tier
A bruto would be nice someday
spice spire
paying irl money for this game
Ur subbed, checkmate
median silo
I don’t think I’ve spent real money on game time in like 3 years
thorn fjord
i get drunk and buy tokens all the time
slow marsh
I buytokens too
slow marsh
with my boosting gold
bleak sky
i get drunk and buy tokens all the time
that's me but sober
see token at 190k, buy thinking "oh I can sell it later" and realize can't sell tokens back to the ah
every single time
thorn fjord
lolol
glass tulip
I got into boosting too late, hopefully will be able to get into the early stuff next tier and make some real money on it
**real money = significant sums of gold
spice spire
RMT 
glass tulip
subtle tundra
i only deal in fake money such as monopoly
nimble tartan
i love monopoly
subtle tundra
demonic
alpine latch
I made 45k in 15 minutes doing jaina carries
wait, what? People pay that shit?
wild lantern
legacy boosting is great tbh
great people, easy boosts, and I've made... uh... checks spreadsheet nearly 4mil since November 27th
granted, I've picked up a LOT of runs, but they're fun and simple 99/100 times
(also some of that money is raid coord money, maybe half a mil or slightly higher so take that for what it's worth)
wild lantern
Just be aware, you gotta lean into the degen side of things to get picked more often than not on some boosts (like Illidan timewalking)
you want a timewalking set, a herald toon if possible, and a druid and DH to round things out
spice spire
Don’t forget the feet
gusty mirage
you want a timewalking set, a herald toon if possible, and a druid and DH to rou...
I'm working on a herald toon stop yelling at me
wild lantern
Oh, yes, lots of feet in legacy
gusty mirage
And it was on Painsmith
on a ball?
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
I got a 142k crit on a sylv pull last week
followed by an 83k crit
then we wiped
spice spire
Real 
oak sky
big as hell cev
limber lion
Kinda depressing kills today
Whenever your top damage dealing abilities are in this order, you know it's about to be a bad day
cobalt hemlock
best order would be winds first?
spice spire
Idk man ur logs are horrifying to look at the natty 252 parses
With a bit of bug fixing
oak sky
classy logs
spice spire
You’re doing a bit of cheeky fire play yeah?
And given the external hellscape we’re in, plus you’re 252. I’d say they’re pretty decent
More than that
spice spire
Oh you didn’t
limber lion
We don't exactly have extra paladins and bear tanks lying around
limber lion
I've never ever used bugs
or gotten externals
on my best parses
but yeh, still need some work
copper sundial
Hey i had 9.1% crit rating on winds last night during KT so theres that.
limber lion
my page was much cuter in Korruptio and in Method
spice spire
I can imagine, but again, you’re au naturaling at 252 vs bis gear + externals
spice spire
Like
oak sky
thats like
oak sky
over 150 dps or something ur missing
spice spire
oak sky
is it over 200?
oak sky
lmao
limber lion
A phial is like 90dps or somethin
dagger is around 180 iirc
shoulders and neck add up to a bit over 100 as well
oak sky
yeah
limber lion
kinda weird how I still don't have those items
spice spire
Bro your guardian kill is 1.1k over your 5m sim. Which is pretty impressive pretty clean kill timer
limber lion
just lucky
spice spire
Imagine if you had a faulty + ring too
oak sky
im only missing the belt which is like micro dps gain
spice spire
Oh that makes it better
I didn’t gear check
That explains 252 a little more
But still sheesh papi
limber lion
I kinda wanted to play Obedience today, but I don't have a max level obedience
and the 262 cloak bases in here cost like 150k
I'm a poor boy nowadays
this server is too expensive
oak sky
can relate
limber lion
I wish :(
spice spire
oak sky
wait you got over 60% crit on your guardian log
limber lion
yeh like said, lucky procs
oak sky
thats next level
cobalt hemlock
whats your crit% rn
limber lion
compared to something like my Remnant today which was
spice spire
52.6% 
cobalt hemlock
i have around 50% but no mythic gear Sadge
oak sky
full bis gear is 50-51%
limber lion
Ngl, I'm sad about the wind proc
felt sick seeing a 151k on the weak aura, but super weird how my dps didn't go up at all
limber lion
Had all cds, potion, lust and fatal flaw at the same time
oak sky
great timing
limber lion
yuh
spice spire
Preplanned ofc
oak sky
curious about nf next tier
do we always go dreamweaver
or is korayn better for multi target
or do we play venth in multitarget
limber lion
Korayn slaps sometimes
Probably depends on the type of fight
I can see Korayn being played on something like KT
Don't know if there's a super heavy add wave fight light that in Sepulcher
oak sky
xymox?
oak sky
yeah our prio is gonna be big there
cobalt hemlock
Why do people say itlvl. Parses dont count/matter?
steel ridge
cause different slots yield different gains but are valued the same for ilvl
unplug a bracer, drop your ilvl and parse with big trinkets and weapons
oak sky
also better players are higher ilvl on average so comparing yourself to lower ilvl is like comparing to worse players
steel ridge
well i have fairly high itemlvl and i am shit
oak sky
but good players normally clear mythic
so on average they are better than players that have lower ilvl since they don't clear mythic
doesnt mean good ilvl parses make you bad, they just make you unproven
spice spire
A good example of player pool differences is looking at parsing the nine on mythic versus Sylvanas.
The player pool in the Sylvanas logs are relatively small so you’re competing with some of the best rogues in the world
While on the nine, you’re competing with some pretty average dudes
steel ridge
yeah that kinda holds some merit
slow marsh
you also have stuff like KT trinket and FCM
steel ridge
and coming in late to the party kinda means the logs are cluttered with externals
spice spire
My average is like higher than oxi ‘s but he’s an infinitely better player.
I’ve only done the first 3, so my competition is no where near as hard.
steel ridge
you also have stuff like KT trinket and FCM
yeah those legion items are insane... didnt realise how much
FCM and Signet of Melandrus are 300 dps over my stuff :I
spice spire
FCM is a disgusting trinket ngl
slow marsh
yeah little bit
steel ridge
i am nowhere near the parses i used to run early in the tier
spice spire
It’s still possible to do decently - but it’s a bit harder. You also could have been ahead of the curve if you got sockets early
limber lion
My parses are also going down, but it's natural with so many externals at play and so many people getting closer and closer to bis gear.
It happens every tier where parsing is the hardest toward the end of the patch
spice spire
You were also r1 private early, yeah?
limber lion
Gotta get those parses in early :P
oak sky
ye mine only have been going up since i started out VERY behind on gear
limber lion
You were also r1 private early, yeah?
I had r1 on every boss and asp for r1 overall yeah
but yeah anyways, you shouldn't be too stressed about not parsing too too well in current content
the current parsing scene is very degenerate
A single buff can net you over 1k dps, which is absurd.
spice spire
I was also pretty behind on gear at the beginning, still am obviously, but I’m getting KA too, so it doesn’t really count
Yeah it’s gross
brazen zodiac
i hope ur days are going swell
limber lion
Add in the rng factor from the frost shards as well
and it's gg
hiya vita, you too!
:)
spice spire
It is, hope yours is as well homie 
limber lion
Yup
limber lion
it's exciting when it procs, but it's the wrong kind of excitement
brazen zodiac
^
spice spire
It’s legion PB-esque
limber lion
you're not excited about playing well, you're excited about hitting the rng jackpot
balmy condor
frost set
limber lion
yeh, it really is
balmy condor
spice spire
Lottery roll parsing at times
limber lion
spice spire
<:pepeLoser:888285523498663956>
Silence sub OTP
kindred rapids
Now that I got a daggy I really need a second.
How am I supposed to parse without two daggers
kindred rapids
There's always gonna be a new reason that I can't parse
spice spire
People forget the defensive utility too
limber lion
How am I supposed to parse without two daggers
don't worry, the rabbit hole grows deeper every time
you get a second dagger and you're thinking "great, but now I need the shoulders as well"
you never have enough
kindred rapids
So true, always a new excuse 😂
bleak sky
you never have enough
that's when you give up on your rogue and start playing something else
limber lion
Depends on what kind of parsing you're looking for
grand ridge
I only look at my item level parses >_>
limber lion
ilvl parses are just copium
oak sky
spice spire
that's when you give up on your rogue and start playing something else
Vdh parse check
Bdk parse check
grand ridge
I don't do keys and my daggers are poop
bleak sky
Vdh parse check
I play havoc in raids
kindred rapids
I still have 239 hat and my guild is probably gonna stop killing fatescribe after we get skip 😩
oak sky
hes a havoc main
spice spire
Finna log watch 
thorny pond
more fun here
bleak sky
I cry every time man
kindred rapids
Wow a spy in our midst
bleak sky
thorny pond
when half the havocs just fel rush off the edge, you are instantly that much better at parsing
grand ridge
who would have thought there was a melee spec easier than assassination
oak sky
dh brain
thorny pond
90% of all sin rogues press garrote and rupture at least once
so GL parsing against that
kindred rapids
90% of all sin rogues press garrote and rupture at least once
Big if true
rancid pier
90% seems low
thorny pond
The skill floor for sin is basically turning on your PC
thorny pond
you don't even need WoW installed to parse as sin
bleak sky
100 ilvl healing 
bleak sky
I coomed
spice spire
spice spire
you don't even need WoW installed to parse as sin
Your Druid does tho
thorny pond
nice tank DPS bruh
grand ridge
I heal with a group with a bdk and he often beats 1-2 of the healers
I think part of it is because its heroic and he is very geared
thorny pond
You can show up to raid with two maces on your sin rogue and have a parse
oak sky
brb trying
thorny pond
that boomkin though, you better stop DPS for his RF
steel ridge
FoK
thorny pond
better PI him exactly 33 GCDs into the fight
thorny pond
Bro I could get you a mobile handicap ramp for a van and I'd still fuck up boomkin RF
kindred rapids
You just don't understand the incredible skill required to checks notes sync last flag and vendetta
oak sky
have we not seen sheeq
thorny pond
I'll slam shiv on CD as NF and parse
kindred rapids
Explain to me then how I pushed all my buttons and still blue parsed on guardian
thorny pond
better hope your feral gets 10 FBs in his convoke tho
oak sky
externals+killtime+ push them better
thorny pond
did you remember to enchant your boots and equip your chest?
kindred rapids
I think so
spice spire
Wait mister beach, what’s DN stand for?
kindred rapids
No bookin
kindred rapids
Hmm
thorny pond
then you just blame it on the GUID
like anyone knows what that means but we all act like we do
kindred rapids
No one complains about bombs they just don't do them
spice spire
Be your own solution mr. manwich
thorny pond
Best bet to parse as sin is to scratch the bear under the chin, keep your healing priests happy with chocolate and ask mr.raid lead nicely for a 20sec pull timer
oak sky
i always scratch the bear under the chin
oak sky
nop
kindred rapids
Hmm I'll have to try that
oak sky
but he did give me a lot of loot
kindred rapids
Only problem is we have no bear
thorny pond
Do you have a gullible resto?
kindred rapids
Or druids at all for that matter
kindred rapids
Do you have a gullible resto?
Unfortunately not
thorny pond
You may have to go to the store then and find a kind looking teddy
buy him
nurture him
kindred rapids
Alright
spice spire
Beach on one today
spice spire
What if he’s a mean teddy that KAs a mage?
kindred rapids
Maybe you can come simp for me beach
kindred rapids
Ah
spice spire
thorny pond
bitchpatrol as my bear calls me
jaunty kayak
is there a custom apl line to sim with 4 EoN stacks on pull ? :D
bleak sky
sim execute
jaunty kayak
ah yeh tru, cheers
kindred rapids
my crit is so low that interplanar keystone is a downgrade 😞
weary marten
is PTR available for testing new sets already ?
weary marten
i haven't payed lot of attention to it before ^^'
i saw about last changes, was not sure
thanks for answering
weary marten
is it possible to get legendaries we don't own on a character on the PTR ? didn't see an NPC for it
weary marten
oh a bit hidden didn't see him ! thanks
junior pulsar
Will NF be competetive with venth next patch?
oak sky
yes, likely to be better
junior pulsar
The toxic onslaught vendetta buffs sound sick with tier set,
Is the the primary reason for the advantage?
supposedly*
dawn ivy
hmm?
oak sky
Is the the primary reason for the advantage?
its mostly because sepsis gets buffed by our set bonus
echo crystal
the NF assa sim seems completely insane, no?
oak sky
its solid yeah
dawn ivy
i think sin rogue is sneaking into being the top ST dam of the tier
yeah sub rogue and enhance are getting fucking gutted
oak sky
dawn ivy
mage just got nerfed decently
dawn ivy
btw whispyr, is there any sims to do for venthyr now that its fixed
dawn ivy
finishing last quest of nf campaign
disgusting
balmy condor
yeah but I have to fix the shiv line first
viscid spear
i am morbidly a beast
viscid spear
I didn't like any of the campaigns
oak sky
i didnt really mind venthyr or necro
tbh spacing it out in 9.0 they werent bad at all
never really are
catching up is what sucks
viscid spear
I didn't like Necro because Mograine should've been the main person instead of Draka
oak sky
oh i dont care about the story aspects