assassination

[gusty mirage]

We must’ve missed the memo where we had a special effect dagger that was just baseline better than outlaw and sub because we got borrowed power that just made it do 14% of our damage

[vestal wren]

and how it still has ~33% play rate in the "sub tier"

[gusty mirage]

And people still played vigor for the majority of this tier even though it was objectively worse

Idk why showing me number of parses shows anything other than people are creatures of habit

[deft cave]

i mean, this was sub tier till ppl start cheesing with externas where assa beneficts more

[gusty mirage]

What does kyr sub with two sylv daggers sim at?

[shell kettle]

Dunno if its habit, just more ppl playing sin because its the most straightforward rogue spec

[vestal wren]

i mean sin has a history of doing that

[subtle kiln]

fuu just wants total domination of sub to classify it as a sub tier when he knows good and well (correct or not) assa is typically viewed as the safer pick for prog

[vestal wren]

but yes, sin benefits a lot from frost set

sub top sim is around 12.7k

realistically lower because most ppl won't switch to alliance

[shell kettle]

Velf ftw

[ornate dawn]

Do I really have to go farm NF renown goddamnit

[vestal wren]

you can also go subtlety 😛

[gusty mirage]

Realistically? No you don’t

Venthyr is still good in 9.2

[subtle kiln]

until the adds show up.

[vestal wren]

necro

[gusty mirage]

But we’ll have to see how these APL optimizations for fae play out

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but then you have to play deathspike

[subtle kiln]

korayn

[deft cave]

so for optimice assa we need to lvl up venth cuz will be good for sure, fae cuz it can sim more and necro for m+ and adds boss figths

[vestal wren]

i like how you disslike 2 of the 4 covenant choices (potentially 3 even)

[gusty mirage]

Yeah plus I think cev’s gains are going to push it

I loved necro, nerfed deathspike not so much

[subtle kiln]

oxi just hates everything

[ornate dawn]

Let's just combine all the covenants like some Captain planet shit and be done with FOTM switching

[gusty mirage]

And I only hate fae

[vestal wren]

kyrian ?

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

I liked kyrian

Kyr sin sucks

[deft cave]

i saw some pvp oneshots with kyrian, it was funny

[gusty mirage]

But I never hated it

[vestal wren]

fair

[gusty mirage]

I played kyrian outlaw for a good bit on 9.0. Don’t tell Cev or Whispyr they may disown me

[vestal wren]

tbh i would play nf if i could on sub

soulshape is dope

[deft cave]

imagin if the free stealth cast from fae affects garr

[vestal wren]

it did in beta

and was removed because it was rly hard to balance

basically a lot of "fun" things are stuff that does not get balanced well

[deft cave]

it wasnt cuz putting u in stealth was a bit weird for solo content?

and op in pvp

[vestal wren]

well problem is. sepsis giving you stealth would give you 1 covenant and a very low amount of legendary options

so if they did keep it, it would have ended with all 3 specs playing nf all the time

and going with a legendary power like MA

[deft cave]

yeah but i think that removing stealth while keeping the bonus from stealth of some skills wouldnt be that hard to balance

and will make the free use to not feel almost useless

[vestal wren]

not sure what you mean

thats exactly how it works in a raid enviroment

[deft cave]

i mean putting you in subterfuge status instead of 1 free cast

so garr gets buffed and cto with outlaw counts the x3

[vestal wren]

so, buff the covenant that is already the best, and limit legendary choice would be your personal preference?

keep in mind those changes were done with 9.0 systems, so it wasn't aware of 9.1/9.2 systems

looking towards 9.1/9.2 it would still give higher power level

unsure if legendary choice would be impacted

[deft cave]

now it could be best, in the hole expa it wasnt, some number change could make it balanced now, I just want that skill to feel more relevant, not just and extra dot with and ambush at the end

[vestal wren]

sepsis is impacted by the assassination mastery

[gusty mirage]

??? Prior to 9.0.5 fae was head and shoulders better than the other 3

Weird to say it wasn’t

They literally had to rework flagellation and buff bonespike to make them better

[deft cave]

yeah and now the feel more impactfull, sepsis doesnt

[gusty mirage]

Do they?

You press button and it does a decent amount of damage

Super impactful

[vestal wren]

flag is similar to sepsis

that its strengh isn't in the immidiat hit

[limber lion]

Let's not kid ourselves

None of our covenants feel "powerful"

It's not exactly Ravenous Frenzy or Convoke the Spirits

Everything's kinda dull

[vestal wren]

i think that comes back to what i mentioned earlier

[limber lion]

But maybe that's the life of a rogue

[vestal wren]

that rogue covenants suffer from being better balanced

[agile geode]

sbs feels extremely aestethically gigapowerfull

[vestal wren]

because other classes have not well balanced stuff

and it is way more impactful

and we ofc compare to that

keep in mind that someone ad blizz was like "ye, this seems to be fine"

[limber lion]

But yeah anyways, Night Fae is looking great in 9.2, but we have some ideas for spicing up Venthyr as well, but we can't sim it because Obedience is still broken.

Maybe it'll be fixed tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

It’s just scari warning us to reroll pally

[vestal wren]

new build is usually wednesday

[copper sundial]

Renown 60 nf zzz gettin there

[gusty mirage]

Just wait for comp stomp next week

[vestal wren]

is comp stomp faster than torghast spam?

[gusty mirage]

It is after a certain level

[copper sundial]

Still have kyrian to work on, maybe.

[gusty mirage]

I think torghast slowed down for me at 64ish when I was leveling kyrian

But I was doing layer 12s

I’m just planning on queuing comp stomp for fae, maybe get some today too

[wheat snow]

Do you still get a ton of marks of honor from comp stomp?

[gusty mirage]

Ye, and you can buy more for honor from the pvp vendor too

[sand sigil]

this tier was no rogue tier XD

[subtle kiln]

RWF was did you have shards or not tier

[sand sigil]

true

but even still it was sin tier

the highest sub i saw was like world idk

[subtle kiln]

nah.it was a rogue tier. all 3 did fine

[sand sigil]

world 20 maybe?

[subtle kiln]

playing a class with little to no utility

[sand sigil]

sub was great niche tho

good in guardian and painsmith

[shell kettle]

Didnt pieces play a rogue?

[sand sigil]

dormazain i suppose

[sand sigil]

he was sin

[subtle kiln]

did guardian matter? kekw

[shell kettle]

Ah

[sand sigil]

no it didn't matter exactly

the only boss that really mattered was sylv and that was sin

[limber lion]

KSP and Aestis both played sin.

Good lads.

[subtle kiln]

perfecto would have been in for sylv i'm assuming and he's normally assa. rip shards

[sand sigil]

only rogue i saw sub on sylv was yeluo and yeah that was lower world ranking like 20 or something

[subtle kiln]

shocking, lower apm specs that allow for more focus on mechanics are prefered

[limber lion]

Aversion played a sub rogue, they're a german guild

I think they were wr7 or something

[sand sigil]

on sylv?

[limber lion]

Yuh

[sand sigil]

i must have missed that i swear i was watching their vods and they had sin in

maybe that was heroic week

[limber lion]

Maybe he switched up after testing

Maybe he found more value for p3 sub

[subtle kiln]

it's like arms and fury. what cds line up better.

[vestal wren]

it depends on the timeline.
While you had a 50:50 split, early even with more sin parses

if you looked at the higher fights you almost exclusively saw sub at the beginning

[limber lion]

All the homies play sin

[subtle kiln]

all those fury hopefuls with venth LOL

[vestal wren]

but now, with higher gear its almost 50/50 between the two

[subtle kiln]

NF arms better on basically everything that mattered

[sand sigil]

it's just all abt tuning in the end but sub looks ok for now

[limber lion]

In the end we're all slaves of the system

[shell kettle]

Well know more in ~3wk i guess

[sand sigil]

i was trying to get necro sin 2t to work over venthyr and i just couldn't idk i hit the target dummies for like 4 hours the numbers surprisingly just weren't there not sure why

in theory it'd be pog but it's just not

[subtle kiln]

I'd be curious if the say top 20 rogues kill wise, had the EoN or not and how much that may or may not have played into their choice. gear and comp mater so much

[sand sigil]

i did not. i think most didn't

[limber lion]

Well, I don't think it matters after some point. Really depends on the guild and the choices they decide to go with

[sand sigil]

junkrat had a heroic one i believe

ksp was 252 252 pretty sure

[limber lion]

I had 2 EoN's but it did not affect my choice of spec nor whether I would have been benched or not

I still played Sin even with 246/239 daggers

[subtle kiln]

yeah but if you need the SoD burst because the comp you went with for the kill didnt have enough they you're not playing ass

[sand sigil]

yeah

[limber lion]

(and beat KSP's parse by 600 dps)

anyways, it doesn't really matter after like top 10 or something

[subtle kiln]

limit never really plays rogues

maybe that changes

idk

[gusty mirage]

[subtle kiln]

method still has 2 rogues

[limber lion]

Most guilds really just value a good player that can make decisions and choices on their own rather than have a guild master bench someone just because they got unlucky

[subtle kiln]

talk to perfecto lol

[limber lion]

Yeah

[slow marsh]

Maybe now that they have a decent rogue they'll play rogue

[limber lion]

like I said

top 10+

[subtle kiln]

i know

[limber lion]

It's a different story for top 5

[gusty mirage]

Are you insinuating that trill was a bad rogue?

[slow marsh]

Na troll not bad

He's not james

[limber lion]

Method definitely opened my eyes

[sand sigil]

🍿

[limber lion]

Like the rwf scene is insane.

[sand sigil]

this

[limber lion]

All props to whoever can pull that off

they're all fucking beasts

and out of their minds

[sand sigil]

never knew how much went into that

[limber lion]

Yeah, mad props to you

it's fucking rough

[jade minnow]

Any vid or what is the reference?

[shell kettle]

What kind of choices are you referring to 🤔

[sand sigil]

i mean just preparation

[subtle kiln]

I always enjoy the trickle down. well RWF didnt use my class / spec so it's shit

[limber lion]

Choices like playing a different spec, playing a different class, choosing to bench themselves to better the comp or finding out ways to get more gear/dps out of the spec they're playing

A shit ton goes into it

[sand sigil]

there is no comparison between what limit/echo does and the other guilds it's nuts

[limber lion]

Yeh

It's not even close

It's insane

[jade minnow]

well when you have the time, money and dedication, everything is easy

[gusty mirage]

They don’t get paid as well as people think for RWF

[sand sigil]

i mean there are quite a few guilds w time and money besides echo and limit but

[limber lion]

I don't know about Limit/Echo, but for most it's definitely not a full time job unless you can benefit from streaming or something else on the side as well.

[gusty mirage]

I’d imagine even for limit/echo a lot of their revenue comes from streaming

Wow is just tough to monetize as an esport

[sand sigil]

well only a few players actually stream in limit. but during rwf yeah the streams are the most viewed thing on twitch for those weeks

rwf is surprisingly huge

[jade minnow]

U mean that scripe and max chillin and the others are working fulltime with 14d holidays for rwf? Idk

[sand sigil]

max is like #1 hours watched then

[gusty mirage]

Well afaik Max splits his stream revenue with the guild during RWF

[subtle kiln]

just necro remains

[gusty mirage]

Nice alpaca

[jade minnow]

Get fat cat

[subtle kiln]

ty

the alpaca jump is bis

[shell kettle]

Apart from the self benching I feel like those things are pretty normal. But I suppose if I really look critically at my own experiences its not actually that common

[slow marsh]

I was driving home from the gym so I couldn't expand this thought. Obviously trill is a world first raider, nobody denying that. I could just be dumb but I've only see him play rogue on CN and barely at that. There's a lot of stuff that goes into rogue and we all know that. There's a big gap imo from being a world first raider playing rogue and a rogue player that has become a world first player

[limber lion]

You say that, but not a lot of people actually enjoy playing multiple specs or multiple classes, let alone choose to equally level/gear multiple characters.

I only played my rogue when I was doing top 30 raiding, but when I joined Method I was rocking 4 characters.

So, you know.

If I had the choice, I'd only play my rogue, but it is what it is.

[gusty mirage]

Is there? What’s the gap exactly?

[subtle kiln]

I like watching Dan play something besides warrior, but you can tell he's very much super comfy on warrior vs anything else

[slow marsh]

The nuances of the class, you know this idk why you're heckling me

[gusty mirage]

Because you’re insinuating one of the best players in the game is a mediocre rogue

Lol

As if rogue is some massive huge brain class that you need years of experience to excel at

[slow marsh]

I mean you don't need years of exp

[shell kettle]

Oh ye i feel the same but it also depends on how much my guild would enable or encourage me

Like if you have to do that all by yourself id quickly tune out. But if guildies all play together and help oneanother its a different story

[slow marsh]

I barely started playing in CN

[subtle kiln]

for me it's not having a damn brain fart with defensives where the line between pushing dps and surviving is very narrow

but I'm also blind so yay 🙂

[gusty mirage]

You’re also discounting the fact that trill probably knows every class’s kit considering the level he pvps at as well

[subtle kiln]

unless stuff has changed, trill also does his own feelcrafting to figure out what he wants to do. sludgefist opener was the one that always sticks out to me how he sorted out a way to fit the cds in

he's just on another level

[slow marsh]

Sure he is nobody arguing that he's not good

[gusty mirage]

“Now that they have a decent rogue”

You did

[subtle kiln]

gottem

[ember mural]

[slow marsh]

It's ok I still love you

[nova flax]

I mean i dont think hes bad. But put me in an arena with him 1v1 and ill molly wop him in 3 globals

[slow marsh]

Even if you might be hangry

[nova flax]

Im only hardstuck 1800 cuz team

[sand sigil]

look every player in the top guilds can play most specs better than most players can. i'm probably one of the worst multiclassers and i'm not even THAT bad lol. but ppl definitely have their classes where u can tell they're just a notch above. like r1 every fight just a casual thing for most of the mains. not that that really matters during prog they just simply do more damage

like when i watch other guilds that stream testing i feel like the limit players r on steroids or something

[shell kettle]

1v1 pvp, the truest testament to an individual players skill in the entire scope of wow

[nova flax]

🙂

[hollow river]

I’ve heard of some really “good” players who don’t slam shiv on CD

[shell kettle]

I mean you cant be R2 when there is no R2 james

[slow marsh]

I'm glad someone gets what I was meaning to say lol

[nova flax]

If the boss doesnt enrage what is the point of using shiv

[subtle kiln]

I'm pretty sure WW considered dead spec in Nya if Trill didn't rock it during rwf

[hollow river]

Loldentbrain

[subtle kiln]

that spec was all doom and gloom early on

[nova flax]

Save it for berserk

[wheat snow]

So I'm pretty new to playing rogue

Why do we use shiv?

[hollow river]

Save it for last phase Tarragrue

[hollow river]

It makes our poisons and envenoms do more damage

Also it dispels mobs enrages

But assassination slams it on CD

[clever kindle]

later rank of shiv gives it the damage boost, I think mid 50s

so that might not be apparent if you are leveling still

or havent looked at the tooltip recently

[ripe shale]

Ehi boiss

So if im playing doomblade leggy. And use mangle conduit wich increases mutilate dmg on garrote targets shouldn the bleed form doomblade do more dmg since its a % of the buffed mutilate ?

[deft vault]

Yes

[ripe shale]

Thx. So my raidlead be stupid and not me

[limber lion]

Doesn't mean it's a good conduit still.

Oh well, if you're already playing Doomblade, you're already handicapping yourself so might as well go all the way

[thin trout]

why is the sub set so kool and assassin so lame

[limber lion]

You probably don't like assassination as a spec.

because the assa set is great.

[spice spire]

[warm drift]

is mfd the play for necro aswell?

[spice spire]

that's a sim question - for me it is not; however, it varies widely

[warm drift]

let me sim

[viscid spear]

Luna is best princess, Sin is best Rogue spec

[molten galleon]

Got Necro and Venth at 80 Renown, is it worth it to preb NF and Kyrian for Assa Raidcontent aswell ?

[limber lion]

It's a safe bet to level up NF as well, but Kyrian is gone for good.

You can leave Kyrian to eat the dust.

[molten galleon]

okay 😄

[hollow river]

Unless you want to play the other two specs

[molten galleon]

playing sub in M+^^

[winged moss]

nf niya or korayn?

[limber lion]

Depends on what content you do.

Korayn for M+

Well, Niya pretty much never. Just play Dreamweaver in raid.

[winged moss]

thx @limber lion

[limber lion]

:)

[spice spire]

pod in raid

[gusty mirage]

just don't stand in mechanics 4head

[limber lion]

If pod procs, that means you should have died

it's not like it procs randomly when you're at 50% hp

it's a cheat death

[ember mural]

[clever kindle]

wdym it procced from 100% hp I swear I didn't get hit by that Rive

[glass tulip]

Do you cheat death and then pod in 2 instances?

Or do they happen together 🤔

[clever kindle]

together

[glass tulip]

Cuz that would suck

hm

[limber lion]

Sometimes happen together, not always

[glass tulip]

Totally defeats each other's purpose if they proc together

[clever kindle]

or it did back when I was still NF, enough that it was very annoying

[limber lion]

It is annoying for sure.

I wish you could just cancelaura the pod

that would make it great

Could just play something like Leeching Poison instead of Cheat

[soft shale]

yea cheat death is special in that it takes a little while after it procs to offer the %dr and get your life back so if you get a tick of anything in between you're donezo

and then you're a pod

or just die lul

[ripe shale]

simming says otherwise for me O.o

[slow marsh]

Must be simming rank 2s

[ripe shale]

rank 6 but ok ...

[slow marsh]

no shot

link it

[ripe shale]

what legendary do u guys mean otherwise

on phone

[slow marsh]

you can link on phone

should be using dashing or obedience thou

[ripe shale]

but i dont have it on phone xD

yeah but dashing is with the frost set right ?

wich i dont fully have because blizzard hates me

and im necro

[limber lion]

That's the one.

But yeah, just trust your sims.

Everything obviously changes with different covenant choices and dom sockets.

[hexed frost]

Did a couple of keys as a NF sin. Not bad though

[cerulean nest]

gonna be cool to go down in dps as the patch starts lol

[devout remnant]

w8, the nf is prep for 9.2 or is actually a thing today?

[limber lion]

No, NF is super bad in 9.1

It's only good in 9.2 with the tier set.

But yes, a lot of people are prepping NF and getting the renown up for 9.2

[devout remnant]

got it ty

[hexed frost]

yeah just prepping. It's bad overall still lul

[cerulean nest]

having soulshape back though...

mmm

[past belfry]

so I seem to be having some issues with CD usage in keys on packs.. I'm focusing on dotting everyything up and keeping my bleeds up consistently, but I feel like I don't really know when it's appropriate to hold off and pump vendetta/shiv into something

[gusty mirage]

you're safe to shiv on cd even in aoe

only hold vendetta if you have a prio add that NEEDS to die

so like if you have a tormentor coming up

or if you have to burn down a helion in spires for example

but besides that its hard to know when its safe to pop cooldowns if you pug a lot, esp because tanks for whatever reason don't believe in sharing routes anymore and kind just pull out of their ass

so you kind of just have to play around with it until you get a better understanding of how long pulls take etc

[junior lintel]

should I rather overcap on CP while bursting or use a 2CP finisher if I play with Vigor? (Venthyr)

[devout remnant]

what anima powers u guys are picking? i'm siting at 45% crit

[gusty mirage]

going to need a bit more context to answer this

[gusty mirage]

for m+?

[devout remnant]

yes

[gusty mirage]

necro dagger + champions brand is usually the safe bet

if its explosives week you can pick bolstering

[devout remnant]

got it, at subterfurge talent my st opener doesnt fit the vanish>ambush>mult>envenom right? i hold it to reaply garrot?

[gusty mirage]

yeah you'd use vanish to re-up the empowered garrotes

[junior lintel]

Venthyr Rogue with Flag-Legendary
Single-Target and Vigor talented + Burst running:

Already on 2 or 3 CP and no Blindside procc

1. Use Mutilate and maybe lose CP from overcapping
2. Use Garrote even tho its already fresh to get more CP without overcapping
3. Use Poisoned Knife to get more CP without overcapping
4. Use 2 or 3 CP finisher to not risk overcapping on CP but weak finisher

I don't know which of the 4 scenarios above are the correct one to do
Hope that helps a bit more

[limber lion]

You always use a generator at 2 or 3 cp. At 2 cp you would use a mutilate, at 3 cp it's fine to use a garrote, as long as the garrote is in pandemic, otherwise you should just use a mutilate again.

Never, ever use Poisoned Knifes.

Well, the only time to use Poisoned Knifes is if you literally cannot reach your target and would overcap energy, like on Sire.

But even then, on Sire you wanted to use FoK because it's more CP

PK is a really, really bad ability and you should try to never use it unless really really mandatory

[glass tulip]

1 global in beginning of sylv P3

Only time it should be thrown in the raid lol

[limber lion]

Incorrect

You would shadowstep - rupture Sylvanas

[gusty mirage]

shadowstep -> rupture sylv

like a G

[glass tulip]

Oh interesting

I will attempt next time

[limber lion]

Not only is it a lot more damage, it also maintains your 5 stacks of Alacrity

PK would mean that it drops, which is not great.

[junior lintel]

thanks a lot for the detailed explanation

[limber lion]

:)

[glass tulip]

Didn't consider the non gcd movement

I will alter what I said to throw knives at Sylvanas at the start of P2 for random combo points to keep snd up

[brazen zodiac]

I'm learning so much

[onyx wind]

Havent been keeping up with assa for a loong time. Is necro straight up better now?

[glass tulip]

For what, but also hard no

[willow cloud]

In m+ should be cast Crimson tempest in ST?

[strange python]

Why not rupture anduin for that sweet sweet energy regen and extra proc of that frost damage shard :^)

[onyx wind]

So its just the new tier set that makes it better, or what?

[gusty mirage]

yeah you'd maintain it like any other bleed

[gusty mirage]

cuz anduin drops all dots after you port

[brazen zodiac]

Hey cev would there be any benefit to shadowstepping to Sylv at some point in p2 to apply a rupture? lmfao

i was gonna rocket jump back onto the platform

goblin gamers

[glass tulip]

[copper sundial]

Outside of burn phase?

[onyx wind]

Im just looking at the 9.2 sims for assa, and seeing necro pulling ahead on ST

[brazen zodiac]

That's what I'm thinking rn mav

[gusty mirage]

you sure you're not looking at the dslice sims?

[brazen zodiac]

Half asleep thoughts zzzz

[onyx wind]

I am absolutely sure i am

woops :)

[gusty mirage]

happens ❤️

some of those numbers will change soonish

senor whispyr is working on implementing @limber lion 's sepsis stuff

[onyx wind]

how is assa doing compared to sub?

i realize both are prob gonna get changed before patch drops

[brazen zodiac]

everything prob gonna get changed before patch drops lul

[onyx wind]

yes

are there any comparisons at the moment?

very rough

[brazen zodiac]

im sure if you search for keywords and stuff in the chat you'll find some stuff there's been a ton of talk about it

idk if there's any charts but probs is

[gusty mirage]

kinda but problem is newer sims can't really be completed because the last ptr build turned obedience into the pally legendary

so it can't really be simmed

[strange python]

my watch has ended

[onyx wind]

hahaha thats hilarious

which pally legendary

[gusty mirage]

[onyx wind]

XD

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Between that and unity not working in sims

Venthyr is actually Just unsimmable on ptr

[agile osprey]

Does anyone else struggle on raid day when theotar gives you crit early in the day and then you can't log in till raid time so you don't waste buff?

[limber lion]

Not really

I don't care enough

[vestal wren]

there isn't that much to do too, unless you do a lot of m+

[agile osprey]

Farm night fae renown?

[ashen scroll]

My watch better end soon

[onyx wind]

night fae more like night fail amirite guys?

[limber lion]

ratio

[cerulean nest]

whats all this night fae talk

[gusty mirage]

fae looking good for 9.2, even better w/ the optimizations that mr. cev found

[subtle kettle]

I really don’t Wana be a fairy person though

[cerulean nest]

why are others saying it looks meh at the same time lol

[gusty mirage]

you can play venthyr still and be just fine

[cerulean nest]

TLDR of the optimizations? i have it at 80 thankfully

[gusty mirage]

tweaking the APL so the rotation isn't weird AF

[echo geyser]

the time has come

[limber lion]

Because the changes are very very recent, as in I found most of it the past 2 days

And Whispyr is still tweaking a shit ton of it

[lean coral]

anyone have that macro for all cov abilities

[limber lion]

It's pinned in #wow-general

[lean coral]

ty

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[blissful saddle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[kind turtle]

whats the general stat prio for Assa M + (i know sub is prob better, but just for fun...)

[limber lion]

You don't have to look at stats at all

Crit is the best stat to go for, but it really does not matter that much

Just use the items with the highest ilvl

[viscid spear]

when the torghast run doesn't give you Renown

[hexed frost]

Know your dungeons and tank routes tbh. Without a tank route it's impossible to know when to hold vendetta. Shiv should always be on CD even in AoE as he said. If you hold shiv for more than a couple of GCDs, @balmy condor will visit you in rl and beat you up. Really not kidding.

For eg., in spires my vendettas are on 1st goliath->tormentor(on fort) or boss(if tyranical)-> next goliath and so on

[subtle trout]

you can do layer 9 in less than 5 min each anyways

[viscid spear]

That's what I did

Walk in, sprint to the bosses, clear

[echo geyser]

better get used to it, on like 60 or 70+ its a few runs per

i heard NA has big affixes in upper reaches today tho

movement speed + elite

[viscid spear]

I'll just the chunks you get each week from double Assault, World Bosses (if there are actual groups), Callings, and Shaping

[hexed frost]

@balmy condor Got bored of torghast spamming and decided to take NF of a pug in a 15.

[strange python]

i got similar reaction and i was like well blame blizzard not me

[limber lion]

I love it.

So many people flaming and hating on Fae just 3 days ago

Now everyone's aboard the furry train

🚄 hop on

[inland hull]

They could still buff necro, right guys? Guys?

[gusty mirage]

[rancid pier]

I must of just been lucky. I went from 73-80 today and got renown every run

[limber lion]

[subtle kiln]

imagine wanting to play the spec the same way for the majority of the expansion.

[balmy condor]

someone send me a sim of assassination night fae right now

with your character

[strange python]

im still hating on fae

[balmy condor]

please

[limber lion]

1s

[balmy condor]

on live

with no ptr shit

no tier or whatever

[limber lion]

from live

[balmy condor]

that works

[limber lion]

talents and gear are dog, might wanna top gear that shit first

[balmy condor]

not relevant to what I'm looking at :P

thank you

[limber lion]

king shit

[spice spire]

Still hating , but big respect
Once covenant being perma-bis is pretty dull. Respect the grustle

[limber lion]

well you hate everything but nl

[spice spire]

that's typecast of me, but nah

I just hate kyrian tbh

fuck kyrian

[limber lion]

same

kyrian can burn

[spice spire]

deadass if kyrian becomes bis, damn. Sucks

[limber lion]

good thing it won't

we're mega chilling

[spice spire]

Secret agent cev here to undermine the kyrian lovers

[slow marsh]

Nice name change back btw cev

[limber lion]

Me and Whispyr will not touch the kyrian apl

so no gains can be found

it'll stay bad

[spice spire]

good, good

[limber lion]

:)

[inland hull]

So is there a benefit of the stealth ability use of Sepsis for sin?

Ambush?

[spice spire]

in dungeons, you can get a silencing garrote - not empowered still - from using subterfuge, that was the only benefit from sepsis when we ran it before

[inland hull]

Oh

Neat

[limber lion]

Yeah, with the new changes we just use it to Ambush

[strange python]

it silences but it doesn't do the increased dmg

?

[limber lion]

Unless you need the silence

[limber lion]

Correct

[spice spire]

yes, sman

[inland hull]

Fml, I'm actually gonna have to try this now

[spice spire]

sepsis really isn't a bad ability, it just did fuck all damage before

[strange python]

even with the conduit

[spice spire]

it's been a long while since I've used it - cev has the better answers for the here and now than I

[rotund oak]

very interesting stuff noted on wowhead 🤘 ❤️

big poggers

[runic terrace]

So, any insights on bis covenant? Nightfey or Necro?

[hollow river]

Venthyr or maybe NF

[runic terrace]

Ok, good to hear. Thanks

[cerulean nest]

nice article man @balmy condor

[limber lion]

thanks man

[wraith jolt]

That 2 piece tier bonus for assassination rogues

Finally the sepsis dream can be a reality

[balmy condor]

ty

[arctic walrus]

Np

[drifting cloud]

he mains assa and you let him down whispyr

[arctic walrus]

This guy types like he mains balance Druid

[balmy condor]

????

what is that

comment?

[drifting cloud]

its the facts!

[wraith jolt]

Hey does the bleed from kidney shot benefit venomous wounds?

[balmy condor]

yes

[drifting cloud]

yes

[misty holly]

Rather than Vendetta activating Exsanguinate It should have been Mutilate activating Poison Bomb.

[tight ginkgo]

Whispyr, great article! you’re a really talented writer.

[misty holly]

I want poison bombs everywhere.

[balmy condor]

thank you

[limber lion]

[soft shale]

he digs that sound

pfffst

[bleak sky]

it's a good sound

[soft shale]

i kinda like it yea

what i find cool about nf is that shadowblades affect garrote too pog

[lucid birch]

I need a good writer

[reef axle]

Would be great to see the return of sanguinate

[limber lion]

we... are?

[soft shale]

people really liked to see 300 numbers per sec on their screen

LOOT AT THE BAR GO UP

dps brrrr

[shell kettle]

I have all numbers turned off

Non important information

[soft shale]

i need those numbers

they are the thing that keeps me alive after a day at work

[subtle kiln]

watches for 1million + eviscerate

those were the days dino

[leaden garden]

How is asa atm compared to sub? (for raids and m+)

[limber lion]

Assa is great for raids, good for m+. Falls off quite a bit at around +23-25 range.

Assa stays competitive throughout the entire raid tier.

[leaden garden]

sweet! thank you @limber lion
I have not played asa since BfA, does it feel slow atm? is there a lot of pooling involved?

[limber lion]

There is pooling yes and it is definitely slower than what it was in 8.3, but it's not feral-level.

Feels good to me

[leaden garden]

good news thank you again

[soft shale]

if you win it big and be nf and get a KA you also will fly

and pi of course but that one is stinky and everyone wants it

[leaden garden]

Crimson Tempest, is it a lot better than bomb in m+?

[balmy condor]

yes

you should never play bomb

in m+

[leaden garden]

okay cheers 🙂

[void wharf]

is sub or sin looking like the dominant raid spec next tier? or both good like this tier?

[balmy condor]

🔮

build me a time machine and I'll tell you

[void wharf]

sorry mr theorycrafter i know its an annoying question

[balmy condor]

travel 3 months into the future

to find out what tuning patches happened

and then travel back with the news

[soft shale]

i will tell you warrior and dh seem quite good idk why i wonder what they give to the raid

[viscid spear]

Just roll a die
1-2 Sin
3-4 Sub
5-6 Roll again

[viscid spear]

Trying to remember if I ran BS with MfD, for some reason I can't recall if it was that or EP.

[spice spire]

Ep

[drifting cosmos]

Good Wowhead post @balmy condor 👍

[balmy condor]

thank you

[bleak sky]

whole discord on whispur right now

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

me reading it

me trying to understand

me thinking I'ma just slap anyway

[soft shale]

always

[austere olive]

What is best covenant seeming like it will be next patch

[bronze pike]

nightfae or venthyr

still to early to tell tho

[crystal vault]

[rich vine]

[limber lion]

[bronze pike]

night fae is best coven nextpatch i guess lol

[spice spire]

Cev turning everyone into defend

[slow marsh]

[loud light]

nf stockholm syndrome already in effect

[twilit hollow]

mad copium in here

[limber lion]

I wish I had a time machine to go back to just 3 days ago

what a time to be alive

[slow marsh]

Imagine being so late to the NF party

Sepsis blue blade ice blue therefore I was always a believer

[limber lion]

says the man who started playing nf less than a week ago

[slow marsh]

Still played nf for every ptr boss since tier update so

[limber lion]

cute.

[slow marsh]

Also a known NF supporter

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

Where is quake when you need him

Literally deemed NF apologist

Sorry I'm not the prophet Cev but you don't gotta punk me like that

[viscid spear]

[reef axle]

Does sepsis still do 20 mil dps in torghast?

[limber lion]

With the correct powers, sure does :P

Not single target though

[reef axle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-evil-laugh-evil-laugh-gif-4076853

group everything up and room goes boom xD

[viscid spear]

Sepsis go boom

[fleet anchor]

Just wait until Deathspike randomly gets buffed and Necro is best at the last second

[copper sundial]

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[versed mica]

whisp your wowhead article on point brother

take this dub

https://tenor.com/view/barnes-leicester-gif-20463235

[slow marsh]

I would welcome it

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

Someone doesn't want windfury

[viscid spear]

I'll make my own Windfury, with blackjack and hookers!

y'know what, forget the Windfury and blackjack

[subtle kiln]

I would not be upset. Kevin is BiS Friend.

[viscid spear]

Nobody move and the grape jelly lives

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor I keep getting gaslit is mfd actually better in dungeons over vigor

and dont tell me iTs HaRdEr which makes it not worth

[oak sky]

Bro nobody plays it

Think its technically more damage to go mfd but theres some reason why it can actually be worse

Think its something about resets all happening when the mobs are about to die

[arctic walrus]

snipe faster

??

[oak sky]

Idk the exact reason

[bleak sky]

4 garrets on opener I think?

[oak sky]

Do you lose one if you play mfd?

That sounds wrong

[bleak sky]

I don't really know, just typing words

i should stop

[arctic walrus]

why would garrote have anything to do with mfd

[oak sky]

Less energy regen i guess is what hes thinking

Compared to vigor

[arctic walrus]

homie playing with 0 haste or something

[oak sky]

Fr

My haste normally pretty low in keys tbh

Its like 10ish

%

[marble hemlock]

mfd

[arctic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-tread-on-me-snake-dance-half-snake-gif-15916681

MY TALENT

[marble hemlock]

its about mfd not being useful to a spec that doesnt get anything from sniping

[arctic walrus]

dont disrespect

[marble hemlock]

sure, you can snipe low hp mobs for envenom or whatever, but what does it do to kill the pack faster?

very little

[balmy condor]

I was gonna type but I see seli typing I’m sure he’s gonna have something for you

[marble hemlock]

especially since youd have to snipe mfd on a dying target but cast envenom on one that doesnt die

[arctic walrus]

link io? sounds like something you just pulled out of a sim scenario that doesn't actually account for how dungeons actually run, especially higher end

[marble hemlock]

theres an argument to be made for playing venthyr assa with mfd on tyrannical, but i still think its a cope

yeah

i timed like

50 vault +2s

[arctic walrus]

yea u right tho man

[oak sky]

Thanks for stepping in seli i couldnt remember your exact reasoning

[marble hemlock]

it also just feels terrible

doing big 6k envenoms

with mfd

cause envenom doesnt do shit

hits like a noodle unless you have shiv with wps+vendetta up

[oak sky]

Ye mfd is better as just a raid thing at this point

And maybe not even that next patch

🔮

[brazen zodiac]

yass queen

[amber fossil]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[wraith jolt]

does anyone know if creeping venom ever get fixed

the pvp talent

[lavish adder]

How are you guys feeling about Assassination in 9.2?

[balmy condor]

looks good feels good

[marble hemlock]

Only if you don't play Fae.

[lavish adder]

I'm over Night Fae this expansion so that shouldn't be an issue.

[marble hemlock]

Well

Fae is looking to be

A top pick for Assa

😛

[lavish adder]

I see.

Well damn. Oh well.

[marble hemlock]

It's not too bad.

Venthyr/Fae are pretty even iirc

[lavish adder]

I've been trying to figure out what I want to play going in 9.2. Rogue is the only class I haven't really touched this expac. I've always wanted to main one.

[marble hemlock]

And we don't know a lot of stuff yet, i.e. trinket values, which might push Venthyr a bit higher due to granting Vers which usually scales trinket damage, while Fae is all haste/mastery procs

[lavish adder]

Learning curve pretty steep?

[marble hemlock]

For Assa? Nah

Assa is probably one of the easiest to play specs in Raids, and one of the hardest to play in M+

Sub is the other way around, with Outlaw somewhere in the middle

[lavish adder]

I like Assa and Sub. Not a big Outlaw fan.

Gonna pick a spec and just learn it. Just gotta finish these last five levels then. Thanks for the information!

[versed mica]

outlaw is smash buttons spec
sin is slow monitor energy, cds, and bleeds spec

sub is monitor energy, cds, one bleed, and when you use your cds is is smash buttons spec

[midnight atlas]

too late to learn some sin this patch? i might craft some 190ilvl zoldylock and dashing, im keeping my gold for recrafts

[bleak sky]

never too late

I personally wouldn't craft zoldyck's though

[vestal wren]

not entirely true bae

assassination can stop monitoring energy with enough bleeds

[bleak sky]

in m+ it's just

too much energy help

[vestal wren]

also idk why this is always such a big topic

subtlety had a more complex rotation with more to care for a long time and nobody talked about it

now that it has a aoe finisher that creates a somewhat boring mass aoe rotation, people lose their mind

[midnight atlas]

But "boring" aoe rotation means easier time to look for interrupts/stuns

[vestal wren]

bp/storm allow you even a bit more room of movement, what is nice

but it is rotational less engaging, but i also don't think dotting multiple targets is high quality gameplay

[earnest remnant]

imo its just the other side of the coin fuu

[vestal wren]

its btw. somewhat fun to think that addons who did help tracking dots on multiple targets got gutted

[earnest remnant]

the most fun AoE for me personally is mfd necro outlaw, but i very much so do not like to play outlaw outside of dungeons

[vestal wren]

talking about https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/enemy-grid that can't be used for mouse over anymore

[subtle tundra]

assa is the one and only true spec, anything else is nothing but lies

[earnest remnant]

[earnest remnant]

i actually tried doing something like this with WA's but ended up giving up

[vestal wren]

you could potentially create a workaround to make it work again, but its fighting a losing battle

its somewhat funny given that plater with a decent profile creates a similar effect

[midnight atlas]

i dont have enough fingers for that spec

[hoary remnant]

Sin is imo easier to learn then outlaw. I am to old for the button smashing spec

[midnight atlas]

the only issue im encountering rn is gear wise, i got sub gear with 6% haste.

[balmy condor]

thats fine

[midnight atlas]

i might have the nine ring in bank, that has a lot of haste. will run some sims then

[balmy condor]

secondaries really aren't that important tbh

especially this patch, sin and sub both play a good amount of crit

and stack ilvl

and then you're kinda okay

[iron orchid]

Hey Whispyr I just woke up, did you manage to fix the NF sims on stream ?

[midnight atlas]

thats good to hear. i sim 1k lower than sub but i guess that's ok

[balmy condor]

yes

[iron orchid]

pog

[balmy condor]

that's just the sin life

sin sims lower

and it be like that

[versed mica]

and then you beat the scrub sub players in practice

[midnight atlas]

just the scrubs who dance into finisher and pop flag with backstabs

[vestal wren]

frost set makes sin this tier fairly competitive also in the sim

[storm onyx]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hexed frost]

Sin is the easiest to learn as it's just bleeds and envenoms, but the most difficult to master.

You'll have to rupture snipe for energies, monitor pandemic of as much as 6-8 bleeds in aoe.

But most fun spec.

[midnight atlas]

coming from shuriken tornado + black powder this is gonna be interesting

[hexed frost]

My sub sims 1K lower. I guess it's a gear/stat thingy

[balmy condor]

that's actually one of the most weird things I've heard in the last couple months

unless you like literally do not hold onto any crit/vers gear ever

and insta vendor it the moment you see it enter your inventory

[vestal wren]

did you switch domination set between sin/sub?

[hexed frost]

Yeah it's not a beta soy male spec for sure though.

You'll notice that you can maintain optimum damage output regardless of number of mobs. As long as you keep up your garottes and ruptures ofc.

[balmy condor]

the usual thing around here is "hey guys I play sin all patch but sub sim 300 dps higher what do"

[hexed frost]

41 crit, 15 haste and versa, 23 mastery - assa

36 crit, 19 haste, 12 versa, 33 mastery - sub

[midnight atlas]

damn you guys making me waste gold for 262 sin leggos you're hyping it pretty well

[hexed frost]

[balmy condor]

how the fuck do you have more haste and less vers on your sub set

[hexed frost]

Nah frost only

[balmy condor]

just use your sin set

what

hello

[vestal wren]

frost isn't good on sub, try unholy/blood

[hexed frost]

Because I'm a brainlet

[balmy condor]

you're trolling

right

you have to be

[hexed frost]

No seriously. My knowledge of sub is very poor

[marble hemlock]

someone just hit whispyr with the irl exsanguinate, hes bleeding out real damn fast rn

[balmy condor]

you took your sin set

you removed the 2 stats sub wants

and then you added the 2 stats sub hates

and called it a sub set

[marble hemlock]

even then i find it hard to believe that you sim 1k less as sub

[hexed frost]

Yeah I need to look in my inventory now

I'll do a fresh sim with unholy set and more versa gear then

[balmy condor]

I mean

if you're too lazy to sim yourself even a little bit

just use your sin gear

please

just don't touch it

you'll only make it worse

[hexed frost]

I have only three mythic kills as sub and I really never bothered with sub before so yeah, I need to sim more kekw

[balmy condor]

yeah

and not ping me at 2am telling me your sub sim is -1k when you're purposely gimping it by 1500

[midnight atlas]

[balmy condor]

my sub sim is lower than my sin sim as well if I were to unequip both my daggers and unplug my keyboard

[marble hemlock]

how does unplugging your keyboard affect your sim?

[balmy condor]

can't open raidbots

[marble hemlock]

do you not have a mouse?

[balmy condor]

no /simc

[midnight atlas]

voice commands ?

[marble hemlock]

then how can it sim lower

if you cant do /simc

[balmy condor]

NA is lower than 11k

don't fact check me on this man let me be angry

[marble hemlock]

oh, im fully in favor of you embracing the hate

just gotta hate with purpose

it needs to be channeled correctly

[hexed frost]

Every now and then I'll post garbage sims here at 2 am and tag @balmy condor

[marble hemlock]

thats a quick way to get muted

"hey, lets antagonize the guy who spends most of his time on here helping other people out, and when pointed out that im annoying him, ill be even more insufferable"

[low girder]

Ping mods, what can they do, ban me?

[hexed frost]

Nah seriously. Thanks to whispyr i could go from green/blue logs to having nearly 5/10 purple and 3 pink logs.

Not much i know but meant a lot to me

[marble hemlock]

then how about

when being told to not ping him

you dont immediately ping him again just for "fun"

[hexed frost]

[marble hemlock]

especially when youve just spent a good 15-20minutes writing incoherent thoughts on assa/sub

sometimes its better to just stop typing

[midnight atlas]

i got to get the raidbots premium stuff, i can't sim all the stuff i want in one go i have a feeling simming things one by one might lead to some inaccuracies

[bleak sky]

premium raidbots is 100% worth it imo

[marble hemlock]

why would doing one by one be more inaccurate

[vestal wren]

it depends how you sim

[bleak sky]

maybe 1 combination they missed might've simmed higher?

idk

[vestal wren]

raidbots uses staged sims, so that could even lead to larger inaccuracies in bigger sims

[bleak sky]

huh, good to know

[safe wigeon]

Was there any info on crafting legendaries to 278 (or whatever)? Do we need to original mats again?

[bleak sky]

new mats

no torghy grind according to them

[safe wigeon]

So don't stockpile desolate leather etc?

[bleak sky]

oh those

Idk

[safe wigeon]

Yeah :) I'm on a dead realm so makes sense to get it now I guess

[vestal wren]

to be clear, the "inaccuracies" are with the weaker items in the sim due to how staging works

[subtle tundra]

[vestal wren]

so its potentially better to do a small sim if you want a perfect/better difference between your weakest options

[midnight atlas]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n8q6Q3CCwMERrLy2omkdCn can't seem to milk more dps out of it in dslice. and i dont know why it wants obedience

oh. it might be because i picked nadjia

[bleak sky]

obedience is goated in m+

[midnight atlas]

if that's true than im happy i dont have to craft zoldylock

with full haste gems and theothar im over 10k so i'll give it a go tonight

worse thing when i switch specs and i have a free keybind slot in the middle of action bars

[hollow escarp]

put detection on that spot

[midnight atlas]

top tip. swirly ball

[hexed frost]

Or pickpocket

[hollow escarp]

that should already be binded

[hexed frost]

People really use pickpocket?

[quasi ledge]

Bind pickpocket into stealth, much easier :p

[hexed frost]

[quasi ledge]

No extra bind needed

[hollow escarp]

some roleplayers even use poisons, why not pickpocket?

[midnight atlas]

how else should i farm marin noggenfogger lucky coin? click pickpocket like a casual?

[sonic schooner]

Hell naw, no clicker

[midnight atlas]

i guess Sin funnel is: spread dots, vendetta-shiv-fon-envenom on prio target?

[spice spire]

Essentially yeah

It’s just sub with extra steps

[reef axle]

Purple/legendary bracket parses but green/blue overall, how bloody big is the gap in brackets ugh

[hollow river]

You mean ilvl bracket parses? Those are kinda pointless to look at tbh

[gusty mirage]

Throw in the 7-17 externals people are getting and the gap gets exponentially bigger

[reef axle]

Damn pi’s

[eternal turtle]

do you guys also get ~24 flag stacks more often than 28~ stacks? playing vigor. So often im like ~0.2s away from getting my last finisher off not sure if thats just how it is or my spellqueue is fckd or something

[hexed frost]

Will using ambush instead of mutilate in suberfuge window make that much of a difference?

[reef axle]

No not really

[timid cloud]

You only get around 28 if you get lucky with Vigor, it’s pretty normal to get like 22-24, you need MFD to get 28+, or as I said, lucky 4 CP mutis.

[eternal turtle]

alright

just tilting every time im a few miliseconds short of getting in 1 more finisher

[astral comet]

Is it energy not enough to use the finisher or gcd

Cuz i get on avg 26

28 if really lucky

[placid pagoda]

Is it worth ranking up fae for next patch?!

[jade minnow]

we talk about stack while listed? Idk how u gonna get 28 stacks of flage in normal rotation

[hollow river]

It’s basically always better to use mutilate. We don’t ever ambush right now unless talented into Blindside.

This may change a bit in 9.2 though.

[hollow river]

Looking like it yeah

[clever kindle]

at least I have all my covenants upgraded now

so no matter which one is good will be an easy swap

[alpine latch]

So for PF this week, I'm thinking about testing out Necrolord. My group's monk isn't ready for high keys yet so we need a Necro. Should I got Raging Battle-Axe for that to get the extra execute during the 2nd intermission?

I'm just trying to think of ways to help the healer, because I know that's stressful af for them

[hollow river]

I basically always take dagger/axe

But I haven’t done any keys in a couple months

[alpine latch]

Literally no help, thanks

lol

[static pier]

are dagger/axe the go-to choices? i assume dagger/brand for stuff like DOS with no execute

[placid pagoda]

God damn i cba to grind another cov

[hollow river]

I mean what else are you going to take lol

[hollow river]

Same. Only have Venthyr 80, but want to grind the other 3

[alpine latch]

I take Champion's Brand and Necrotic Dagger ever run

[hollow river]

[alpine latch]

Our hunter always grabs the knock up

[thorn fjord]

We finally killed Sylvanas last night 🙂

[alpine latch]

Grats!

[hollow river]

I never take Brand

[clever kindle]

Were just about to make it to p3

[alpine latch]

Shrug, that's what is recommended in all of our guides

[hollow river]

Unless there’s a no execute boss like Sanguine Depths

[clever kindle]

then the fun part

[thorn fjord]

took 534 pull lol

[clever kindle]

were almost at 300 and just barely touching p3

[limber lion]

Necrotic Dagger and Bolstering for PF

[hollow river]

It took my guild over 500 too

[thorn fjord]

So happy to be done lol

[hollow river]

I missed the kill too

[clever kindle]

oop

[hollow river]

So I’m patiently awaiting the 2nd kill

[thorn fjord]

oof

F

[clever kindle]

at least her mount doesnt poof with next patch

got time to farm it up until end of expac

[thorn fjord]

Yeah thats really nice

Apparently we wont see 9.2 till late March

so lets see

[hollow river]

Nah looking like early March tbh

[clever kindle]

I doubt that

[alpine latch]

Wait Bolstering? Really?

Why? It doesn't last that long

[hollow river]

Some people even think mid Feb

[clever kindle]

Wouldnt go off the rumor mill with raid testing etc. Im sure they are pushing this patch a little to get a few more weeks of development in on 10.0 and 9.2

[limber lion]

Yes

Every boss spawns multiple adds

The crit rating is fine as well, axe is bad

[alpine latch]

Hmm, that's a good point

I never thought about that honestly

Is it possible to skip the slimes, stack the shit out of Bolstering, and then use that to explode the 1st boss?

Or is that a waste of time?

[limber lion]

Well you should get the bolstering effect before the second boss afaik, soo

[alpine latch]

shit

Yeah

I never pay attention to where the buffs come from

[gusty mirage]

Axe is okayish for last boss wake

Cause you just keep chucking axes at him when you get sent down as long as you have dots up

But besides that it’s

Also bolstering is great for spiteful and explosives weeks

[hexed frost]

because of nigthfae or because higher stats?

[cerulean nest]

lmao https://twitter.com/jpctheman/status/1483435746883112963?s=21

JPC (@jpctheman)

.@BillGates any idea on when u guys are going to uncap outlaw?

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[jade minnow]

so I have crafted flag, since its overall good for both content but do i craft 262 ring with dusk now?

or wait for the patch to come

[limber lion]

I would just wait

Dusk is pretty useless for current content and who knows if we can craft a higher level legendary very early on and whether or not a different slot would benefit us more.

[jade minnow]

aight

[strange python]

Where did you get to this conclusion?

Every source I’ve read says February

[thorn fjord]

Your sources are def better than mine

[strange python]

That was just the general consensus I had heard is all

[drifting cloud]

I mean if youve played this game long enough you can tell when patch is a month away and were at that point now

[visual prairie]

feel it in your right knee. starts acting up whenever you stand up

either a storms a comin or a wow patch

[drifting cloud]

No they just run the ptr the same everytimr

[rancid pier]

Any thoughts on if assassination will be good in mythic+ next tier with the set?

[hexed frost]

I mean it already is good but people meme it(talking about 21-22 level)

[drifting cloud]

Better than nw but not by alot

[hexed frost]

But yeah the shiv 2-piece is good

[rancid pier]

I guess I’m more asking will it be good enough to outperform outlaw or sub in mythic +

[drifting cloud]

Probably not

[bleak sky]

Sin is fine in m+ right now, should be fine in 9.2 as well

[hexed frost]

There are no taxes on coping and dreaming. We can do both

[visual prairie]

actually, first thing microsoft did was add a dream tax

but wow is free now if you have gamepass

[glass tulip]

ladies and gentlemen, we got em (part 1)

[bleak sky]

huge

[surreal prism]

Grats!

[viscid spear]

Still at work

Can't check mine until later

[deft vault]

=

[alpine latch]

Congrats!

I'm considering dropping 5m just for the chance at getting a Mythic EoN

[glass tulip]

O.o

So much gold

[alpine latch]

I have a lot of gold

[glass tulip]

Fair point, spend it how you will my man

I just can't even imagine, I have barely made 2 mil this year🤣

[alpine latch]

I'll never get CE on my own, and I'm okay with that

But I want that dagger

[pure moth]

kills parse overall when you buy.. since most runs will make you die

[alpine latch]

I don't care about that

I'm not applying to CE guilds

If I wanted CE I'd have stayed Horde

[strange python]

We sell sylv for 4 and can trade dag ;)

[bleak sky]

but isn't your guild going at it on mythic again?

[strange python]

Oh alliance nvm

[strange python]

Gold is p easy to make of you're doing sales tbh. I'm making about 450k a week

[alpine latch]

Yup, 1/10M and a 11% wipe on Eye

[bleak sky]

what's the point of raiding mythic if not CE

[alpine latch]

We might hit 4/10M before 9.2

[bleak sky]

or trying to

[glass tulip]

I made 1.2 mil last week

I just started runnung heroic sales since it's the only content I enjoy outside of regular guild raifs