assassination

[slow marsh]

[strange python]

alright doing this as well from tmrw

that does it

[balmy condor]

nothing else to do

[strange python]

queue that meme "alright but i'll complain"

[echo geyser]

just 9.2 prep innit mate

[strange python]

bruh how do u even play stepsis do u use it on cooldown or whatever

[balmy condor]

yeh

pretty much

[strange python]

do i need to bind ambush on a different keybind when i get a proc

[balmy condor]

you sepsis -> shiv

you'll need a bind for ambush in 9.2 anyway

time to find one now

ambush worth again

[deft cave]

why is worth again?

[strange python]

that's pog alright

i like ambush

[echo geyser]

more dmg per energy i suppose

[balmy condor]

gear changes things

[slow marsh]

nuances of more gear yeah

[echo geyser]

if we dont run MA mut is also less value or?

[slow marsh]

Plus not using MA

[balmy condor]

yep

[strange python]

this tmog doesnt look so bad after looking at it for a while

[oak sky]

Yeah nf transmog is ok

[deft cave]

having ambush and mutilate in the same bind is a bit troll right?

[hexed frost]

wait the ambush thingy is happening because of gear scaling doing decent damage now,right?

[oak sky]

Tbh now its probably not

[hexed frost]

don't subs do that already with shadowstrike and backstab?

[balmy condor]

don't understand how you would do that other than GSE

which is giga trolling

[oak sky]

/cast ambush
/cast mutilate would work wouldnt it

[deft cave]

but subs dont play fae and maybe i want to cast a mutilate instead of ambush with the fae free cast

[balmy condor]

no

that's precisely what doesn't work

[oak sky]

Interesting

Why

[balmy condor]

they're both gcds

[oak sky]

O

[deft cave]

what does GSE means?

[vestal wren]

gnome sequencer

it skips certain limitations by using some macro shananigans

[deft cave]

k im at the same point

[balmy condor]

the best you could do I guess is put it on a stealth bar

but then you'd have to use a stealth bar

[deft cave]

thats what i meant

[static pier]

stealth bars are honestly why i haven't wanted to try sub

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean that would be okay I guess

[deft cave]

but idk if there could be a situation where is better cast mut instead of ambush

[balmy condor]

not in 9.2 if you're playing subterfuge

[deft cave]

as i said before with the fae free cast

[oak sky]

Oh true is the fae cast not useless now

4 dps gain perhaps

[balmy condor]

it was already ambushing from sepsis

[oak sky]

Oh i thought it was wasting it

[balmy condor]

basically the history of mut vs ambushing:

nathria rolls around, ambushing sucks with MA, and it's very very minorly better with subt/ns and pretty much everything, most of that is timing things and mut being better in those situations

someone goes "hey we should also avoid ambushing from sepsis", I look into it, he's right, but it's very very small. I tell koji, he looks into it, it's a very small loss for some of his profiles. Me and koji go like 5 rounds arguing back and forth about it, the ambush stays in.

people go "do we ever ambush?" every 15 minutes because the change is fresh. In order to save the effort of explaining things, and because it's such a small change "no, only ambush from blindside". Still me and koji arguing which is better

things go quiet, 9.1 rolls around, sepsis ambush is definitely better now, but from MA still sucks, the bot command gets updated to say "only from blindside/sepsis"

9.2 ptr rolls around, cev decides what about ambush tho? ambush better

[vale marten]

can any learned individuals here tell me which cov will never be played in 9.2 night fae or necro? i have it ine me to do 1 more to 80, if i have to do 2 im gonna blow my brains out

[balmy condor]

fae def good

necro def not good

it's between venth and fae right now

[vale marten]

alright ty

[brazen zodiac]

night fae :)

[static pier]

night fae 😦

venthyr 🙂

[echo geyser]

boutta do some sick stuff with soulshape

door of shadows =

[static pier]

imagine casting door

just step to somebody who's where you need to go

[oak sky]

Door was nice on sylv actuallt

[balmy condor]

arenas were all too small for door to shine

where you gonna door to on nerzul

just walk yo ass the 3 steps

[echo geyser]

did u guys test all bosses yet on ptr?

or are there some left

[balmy condor]

haven't tested I think 3? or 4? on mythic

there's no testing for the last 3 bosses

[echo geyser]

but hc all are testable?

[balmy condor]

they all got tested

but they're not testable

raid testing only goes up for 1 hour at a time when blizzard announces it

[echo geyser]

ic

does it look like door of shadows got any good use on any boss?

like tp over a gap or w/e

[balmy condor]

yeh

xymox you have to hop a gap

denathrius style

mob on the other side you gotta kill

[echo geyser]

guess u cant soulshape/step that

[balmy condor]

nop

it was like barely doable with max range door

[strange python]

told my RL wow friends that most of the rogue players here started farming renown for NF and one of them wrote this

alcohol he drinks
why the hell would he farm renown for Night Fae he thinks
Smanste at blizzard is furious
but how Sepsis works he can't help but be curious

[balmy condor]

I'm guessing your friend doesn't speak english

cause I have no clue what that's supposed to mean

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

[echo geyser]

smanste works at blizzard

[balmy condor]

but how sepsis works he can't help but be curious

who is he

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

probably me 🤣

[balmy condor]

you can tell him that the reason we're farming fae renown is because it looks good and the option is there to play it

[echo geyser]

yeah if dmg is similar id go fae cause soulshape>door

[balmy condor]

when do I stop torghasting?

[strange python]

but is sepsis > flag ?

[balmy condor]

66?

[echo geyser]

i mean rn not rly

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of >

[echo geyser]

but in the end the final numbers is what matters

[strange python]

more damage ?

[echo geyser]

not the actual cov ability

[balmy condor]

sepsis does more damage than flag yes

but flag gives stats

so you can't really make that comparison

[balmy stump]

does edge of night work well for assassin?

[strange python]

fair

[echo geyser]

tbh i went to like 70 something

probably 74 lmao

[balmy condor]

246 in offhand is better than any dagger

[strange python]

i am 70 on my DH and it didn't give renown layer 12

[echo geyser]

then some callings wb, only did 1 campaign quest

[balmy condor]

but a 246 loses to a mainhand 252

[echo geyser]

weekly quest too

[balmy stump]

my other main hand is 210

[balmy condor]

[echo geyser]

but i also finished 40-80 in 1 sitting, u can prob chill and do it over 2-3 weeks

[balmy condor]

then anything is better

[echo geyser]

for the guaranteed renowns

[balmy stump]

i have a heroic so im just gna leave it main hand

[echo geyser]

its just lower chance the higher renown u go

i tried layer 12 for but im pretty sure layer 9 is the same chance

literally just spam with rng

upper reaches is fast

u just put nitro boost on ur belt, it will reset on every floor apart from when u first enter

IQD for boss blast pretty good, resets too

[strange python]

^ experienced renown farmer

[echo geyser]

nightstalker for movement speed

2x speed gems

[deft cave]

fk i just farmed 66 renown and forgot nitro existed

[strange python]

what's the shortest amount of time u spent farming 40-80 on any char ?

[echo geyser]

probably sub is the best spec

cause all u care about is ST burst

[deft cave]

sub with nighstalker for the movespeed and burst

[echo geyser]

we just stealth to bosses anyway so no aoe required

[balmy condor]

40-80 on kyrian took me like 5 hours of gameplay

[echo geyser]

also ill let u know about yuge tech

dont tell anyone

only NF enjoyers can read this

||vanish into soulshape lets u soulshape while stealthed (cannot blink tho) ||

[cerulean nest]

where is this release announcement

[spice spire]

the dark ramfam tech

[sturdy mesa]

[hexed frost]

/cast [stance:2] Ambush
/cast Sinister strike

does this work now for NF?

/cast [stance] Ambush doesn't work though

[echo geyser]

in 2nd Subterfuge window on ST would u just garrote 2x ambush?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[slow marsh]

or gar ambush gar?

[slim jay]

Im either getting very unlucky with ny opener or something is not correct. When i shiv vanish mut I often dont get 4 cp on the second mutilate (sometimes even on the first). My crit is around 42. Do i just need to squeeze in more crit or do other peopke get unlucky as often?

[balmy condor]

[echo geyser]

if u are using 3x shrouded suffocation

[slow marsh]

ik i'm jk

[dawn ivy]

oh shit we do double garrote in the vanish window?

shit

[slow marsh]

no

[hollow river]

its just crit rng

[slow marsh]

i was asking whisp dumb questions last night and so i'm just poking fun at it

[bleak sky]

that's how I feel everyday

ask dumb questions, give bad advice

[slim jay]

Feels mega bad when i only get 1 4 cp mut right after canish

Then randomly ill get 4 cp muts all day

[slow marsh]

I mean you do have a bit less crit than peeps usually have

but as long as you're following top gear then you're fine

[hexed frost]

I thought the rotation was gar -> mutilate. Now we doing ambush?

[echo geyser]

9.2 subterfuge stuff

[hexed frost]

aaahh

[echo geyser]

i am from the future

[slow marsh]

but if you want to get used to it, it's technically a very minor gain to open with ambush currently

[hexed frost]

Are they bringing back shrouded suffocation?

[echo geyser]

no but we get exsang baked in to vendetta

[hexed frost]

/cast [stance:2] Ambush
/cast Sinister strike

Look i even made macro to use both on same keybind. Works like charm

[echo geyser]

ive had my ambush bind separate since blindside stuff in CN i think

[slow marsh]

same

[echo geyser]

still never used it

not that many binds compared to outlaw i think

[hexed frost]

Idk if you remember, but there are two anima powers in torghast which are interesting, one is something like crimson ink, which does cleave based on your CP spent on a single target and the other applies a 5-point rupture with ambush.

I have a feeling they will return in 10.0 as some sort of baseline talent or leggo even maybe?

Like how void torrent is now talent for SP and it was artifact in Legion

[slow marsh]

Red ink is a bis power for sin in torg and it makes the target take 30% increased damage from poisons and bleeds

and applies an additional dot poison

but yeah that'd be sick to implement some of these powers in some way

[bleak knoll]

looks like I'll level NF as well, just in case assassination better than sub

[misty holly]

Master Poisoner talent should be replaced with Red Ink.

That would be sick

[hexed frost]

Vein Rippers sounds a gigaburst on big pulls

Literally exanguate on steroids

[hexed frost]

Oh yeah i was talking about Shadowlaced Armaments

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

grats!

[balmy condor]

I played korayn subtlety in a key

its

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

not good

[red plaza]

[oak sky]

Nochill punching the air rn

[balmy condor]

I don't know how he could unironically think this is good

[echo geyser]

do it on spiteful

[balmy condor]

no

[earnest remnant]

I did it last week since i needed 1 more weekly and they wanted a NF, ended at 16.2k in mists as sub

was only 18

so i kinda blew things up

[gusty mirage]

you make me sick

[viscid spear]

Must be the onslaught of toxicity

[gusty mirage]

and I'm watching gromnak wax his arms

that's what level of disgust toxic onslaught generated

[soft shale]

it will be really neat sniping off mobs with sepsis tho

only assa gets full value if they dont mess up

now i wonder is septic shock decent for assa? i forgot but the other conduits were kinda weakish right

[echo geyser]

it got buffed but i still feel like its weak

[balmy condor]

you play it with triple potency

[echo geyser]

actually that mightve been sub sims

[balmy condor]

but otherwise its not great

[viscid spear]

[echo geyser]

welcome ash

u can get lots of nice soulshape forms

[viscid spear]

First time since the end of 9.1

Like I moved away from it when 40 was the cap

[echo geyser]

theres a lasagna garfield form

[viscid spear]

Jenafur?

[echo geyser]

idk who that is

[balmy condor]

jenafur is a hidden pet

secret thing

[echo geyser]

i dont have that one

[viscid spear]

I must collect all cats

[echo geyser]

heres the chonker form

normal slim cat form

[viscid spear]

Where's the normal cat form from?

Like I said I stopped playing Fae at 40 so I don't have anything past that

[echo geyser]

u just have to /soothe one of the lost cat souls in the trees in ardenweald

https://www.wowhead.com/item=187819/cat-soul#comments

vaughn

[deft cave]

fat cat > normal cat

[echo geyser]

u have to aquire the normal cat first

then feed it lots of lasagna

[strange python]

[viscid spear]

Big ol' swirlie trees?

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

even my covenant abilities macro doesn't work with this wtf

wait i haven't even went to the heart of the forest to grab the abilities

[echo geyser]

theres some coordinates in the comments on the wowhead post

[void carbon]

What is going to be the best cov for sin rogue

In 9.2

[echo geyser]

looks like NF or venthyr atm but u never know 🔮

[void carbon]

Sweet

[echo geyser]

kyrian rising

[viscid spear]

I'm just leveling them all

[echo geyser]

yeah its the best/only thing to do rn anyways

[viscid spear]

Found the kitty

[void carbon]

Can you explain how kyrian ability works I think I’m messing it up

[viscid spear]

When you hit it, one of your combo points will be blue, just do a finisher with that many CPs and it'll hit liek you did it with 7

[strange python]

how do you think you are messing it up

[void carbon]

Oh ok I was just doing it at max combo points

So I wasn’t using it right at all

[harsh juniper]

much kittay

[echo geyser]

that was fast gz

[viscid spear]

I see kitty, I want it

[echo geyser]

thats me with cool cosmetic stuff/toys

[viscid spear]

Seriously no one wants to kill world bosses

[bronze pike]

mewmewmemwmew

[copper sundial]

too many shapes to choose from

[echo geyser]

yeah theres a ton

but some are crittershapes keep in mind

those only work in rested areas

this ones rly easy to get

[strange python]

so cute

[viscid spear]

I just use Nightstalker and Cat

[woven prairie]

Is it actually possible to Sac rogue prepull to gain 4 stacks of bansheea blight full fight? If so how exacrly does it work?

[echo geyser]

alpaca is nice

but rare drop from worldbosses

[echo geyser]

#tc-research explains it

[woven prairie]

Ty didnt find it

[subtle kiln]

is it rare? I got it second or third kill

[echo geyser]

yep idk exact droprate but rare cause only 2 chance per week

[viscid spear]

Me playing Fae not remembering how to do anything

So can I switch to Kyrian and have a full trio of callings to do for them too?

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

but that's a min-max for casuals

which is something I cannot be bothered with

I do know someone who might know

[viscid spear]

I don't mean go Kyrian to use the callings to level Fae

[balmy condor]

@wild lantern

[viscid spear]

I need to level Kyrian too

[balmy condor]

if do callings on cov and change cov, new callings or no callings

[gusty mirage]

@wild lantern

[balmy condor]

@wild lantern

[oak sky]

So toxic

[strange python]

not as toxic as leveling NF

[oak sky]

Really gonna do jez like that

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

So toxic it used Sepsis

[balmy condor]

it's okay, she's a woman understanding lady

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

bro

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire where tf have you been all day

[spice spire]

dying

why?

[gusty mirage]

damn dude rip

I'll miss you

[balmy condor]

listening to the podcast vod on repeat

[oak sky]

Sadge

[spice spire]

nah, you'll miss george

wait, whispyr you got sauce?

[oak sky]

I caught the last 30 min whispyr

[spice spire]

I slept through the podcast 😦

[oak sky]

What was the theme this week

Like apl stuff?

[balmy condor]

sims and things

[gusty mirage]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1264621751

[oak sky]

Oh cool

[balmy condor]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1264621751

[spice spire]

bless up

[balmy condor]

oh

oxi

faster

that's my twitch mod baby

[oak sky]

I might check out what i missed later

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

listening rn

[oak sky]

Seems like you guys are getting good viewershil

I saw like 100 people in the viewers

Pretty solid

[strange python]

i caught like 30 mins as well very good talks

[balmy condor]

like 130-150 peak when it's live

[spice spire]

i will say that almost no rogue I've heard their voice, matches expectations

[balmy condor]

no idea what we get after the fact on vods/youtube/spotify

[oak sky]

You definitely didnt match mine

[strange python]

i gotta put "facecams pls from ep 3" in the suggestions channel

[bleak sky]

YEP

[wild lantern]

Jesus christ what

hold on

[spice spire]

wdym?

[oak sky]

Minalba you kinda sounded how i thought

[wild lantern]

why am I dinkdonking

[viscid spear]

[oak sky]

Like when we did a key i didnt expect you to sound how you do

[bleak sky]

I met expectations poggies

[wild lantern]

covenants cross-complete, so if you do it in one you can't double dip

[oak sky]

🇧🇷

[bleak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/waldir-braz-new-gif-19792765

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

how did you expect me to sound

[oak sky]

Idk

Not how you did

[balmy condor]

@viscid spear there ya go

[spice spire]

that's a normal reaction but I don't get it either

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

I feel like

people just want more youtube interviews

[strange python]

fair fair

[viscid spear]

I have work to do, still have so much Renown for Hippies and Smurf Angels

[wild lantern]

layer 9 still technically the fastest, although you'll hate life

[viscid spear]

I did that for Necro, and I already hate life

[balmy condor]

out of curiosity has anyone actually dm'd you for a kyrian link

[wild lantern]

I did it for all 4, I have no sanity left

[wild lantern]

besides you?

[balmy condor]

yes

[wild lantern]

then no

[marble hemlock]

i did

[wild lantern]

oh wait

yes

seli did

[viscid spear]

Lemme do it for these two, I'll join you

[balmy condor]

[wild lantern]

like the day you changed my name

[viscid spear]

[wild lantern]

and maybe oxi too

but that was it

[spice spire]

i can jez

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/ICTNF/dec5d72a37.png

dunno if you sent that

[oak sky]

Rerolling fmage for kyrian link 😔

[marble hemlock]

ironically

or unironically

[wild lantern]

I'm leveling an alliance druid now, more simping for the simp queen

[balmy condor]

[wild lantern]

I feel like this was me trolling for some reason

[marble hemlock]

you trolling seems very likely

[spice spire]

unfortunate i'm horde

[balmy condor]

Jezartroz, the Ravenholdt-adjacent troll

[viscid spear]

You whored

[marble hemlock]

its a simp troll

its like

[wild lantern]

can I get this as a title kthx

[marble hemlock]

you go to a bridge, and instead of a fat ugly stinky troll, jez is waiting. you fully expect to have to pay a toll to pass, but instead you get KA as she bows and tips her fedora

[balmy condor]

dming scarizard about it now

[wild lantern]

and apologizes profusely if you needed a crafting recipe that I don't have because ***I'm so sorry I'll do better I promise ***

[marble hemlock]

that'd be a canadian troll

[balmy condor]

"I'm missing 2 cooking recipes and 3 of them are unobtainable" -jez 2021

[wild lantern]

excuse you

I'm only missing ONE cooking recipe

and it's unobtainable

don't soil my name like that

I'm missing one cooking QUEST on alliance side, and I had to learn Thistle Tea on my rogue, but other than that I'm 100% done

[gusty mirage]

that's impossible right now with the discord stage function

[balmy condor]

I already made one "woman bad" joke earlier but the open door for a "woman in kitchen" joke is so inviting

[wild lantern]

I've been asking for an actual sandwich recipe for years

[balmy condor]

[wild lantern]

I used to raid in my kitchen because that was the only table we had

[balmy condor]

oh my god the jokes write themselves

[surreal prism]

https://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Official-Chelsea-Monroe-Cassel/dp/160887804X

[balmy condor]

what are you doig

[wild lantern]

sadly I meant in game

[wild lantern]

I'm leaning into the meme because it removes your ability to make fun of me

[subtle kiln]

hello offtopic overflow.

[marble hemlock]

yeah

mods afk

[balmy condor]

yeah she wouldn't call it a sandwich, she would call it a "melt"

or something

[marble hemlock]

not moving the discussion to offtopic

smh

[wild lantern]

we're not doing that here again

[gusty mirage]

you should ping the blades

[balmy condor]

it's actually a hoagie pierogi canoli yeah yeah we know

[subtle kiln]

at least post a nova pic as tax

[marble hemlock]

@rigid mango

[gusty mirage]

[subtle kiln]

@vestal wren

[balmy condor]

[wild lantern]

[balmy condor]

everyone scram

[marble hemlock]

mom, hes doing it again

[gusty mirage]

[wild lantern]

Okay back to cooking dinner, lmk if any other casual questions need answering

[rigid mango]

Who are u and why are you pinging me at 3 am

[balmy condor]

can't you tell by the green name?

he's an aspiring poison build rogue

from legion

[rigid mango]

Nah I'm colour blind mate

All looks the same to me

[gusty mirage]

@rigid mango

[subtle kiln]

it’s @marble hemlock and Nova pinged you at 8 PM

[rigid mango]

[marble hemlock]

whispyr is having off-topic conversations in assa again

[rigid mango]

I feel like at this point in the game assassination is off topic in assassination

[marble hemlock]

clearly an overreach of his still fairly "new" position

[balmy condor]

and it's the best content this channel sees stay mad

[subtle kiln]

push that to #subtlety or #outlaw

[rigid mango]

[subtle kiln]

let guy lose his shit

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

i fully expect you to spank him as punishment

[balmy condor]

[rigid mango]

Who's spanking who?

[gusty mirage]

is there a live stream so we can learn from his mistakes?

[rigid mango]

Am I getting spanked?

[gusty mirage]

👀

[marble hemlock]

youre gonna spank whispyr

[rigid mango]

Or am I spanking

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

when we have the RH top-lad meet

this year

[balmy condor]

this took a turn, did a 180, and then landed a sick backflip

[spice spire]

why the fuck is zine in a spec channel

[rigid mango]

Whispyr Zine

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

because i summoned him

[gusty mirage]

undad can name a character after it

[spice spire]

ahhh

makes more sense

I'd coming running if you called too, seli

[marble hemlock]

wtf are those cursed emotes zine

[balmy condor]

ZineZamboni

[rigid mango]

Covid-rh-meetup

[rigid mango]

What's wrong with my emotes bro

[marble hemlock]

why do these exist

[balmy condor]

to show spanking

[rigid mango]

They have a lot of use cases, like this one

[oak sky]

When has this channel every been on topi

[marble hemlock]

name, like, 2 others

when don was orange

[rigid mango]

When you need to be spanked in dms

when I need to be spanked

[gusty mirage]

stop asking him to expose our dms

[rigid mango]

see

[oak sky]

I know ive been cursing it to be off topic for at least 6 months

[marble hemlock]

he would dip into spec channels all the time

[rigid mango]

2 more uses

[marble hemlock]

and post the image

[balmy condor]

no mods

everyone go crazy

[rigid mango]

Which image? this one?

[marble hemlock]

this one

i dont belong in offtopic

i belong in here

[oak sky]

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Don't be intimidated by my elite MS Paint skills

[clever kindle]

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

I'm honestly impressed at the positioning of the Alliance logo

I also should make a more custom avatar, with daggers or something idk

[slow marsh]

[slow marsh]

How does one

[wild lantern]

I need a tiny bit more information than that

[lucid birch]

How do I

[wild lantern]

[lucid birch]

[surreal prism]

I do how?

[wild lantern]

[lucid birch]

I lied, I don’t actually like sex. Now put your clothes back on i'm going to explain why you why Mists of Pandaria was the best World of Warcraft expansion of all time

[spice spire]

@wild lantern they're wanting to learn about ATT, you should be an expert on such matters

[balmy condor]

[wild lantern]

if I start talking about that in here whispyr will ban me

[spice spire]

she saw the line

[balmy condor]

I'll ban you right now if you'd like

[spice spire]

[wild lantern]

[balmy condor]

and so it was

[oak sky]

[placid dawn]

can you evasion rives on sylv?

[oak sky]

!defensives

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[gusty mirage]

don't think we have rive on there

but no you can't, it's a 1 shot

[oak sky]

Gors through cheat as well

[gusty mirage]

yeah its so much damage it overkills enough so cheat does nothing

[oak sky]

Yep

Ive had to wipe in p1 with cheat up enough times

[placid dawn]

is 8.5k boss dam on p3 sylv decent?

[balmy condor]

mythic sylv?

[placid dawn]

yes

[balmy condor]

it's... fine

it's not impressive in any way

its not terrible

it's just

fine

[placid dawn]

thats fine for me, my gear is not impressive at all, thanks for the answer 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[versed mica]

whispyr is there any reason why the Full HTML Reports for the tier set sims for dusk ST have venthyr/NF using subterfuge and have kyrian/necro using MA?

[balmy condor]

yeah so the reason for that is because I have way too many profiles to keep track of, and that causes janky things to occur

because I'm human

and humans are stupid

the double legendary sims with the tier are accurate though and that's kinda the only thing that matters

so I'm chillin

waiting on obedience to be simmable and then we resim the whole stack from the top

[marble hemlock]

the truth is that the venthyr/nf lobbyists paid more, so hes purposefully trying to sabotage the other covenants

[versed mica]

ah okay, that makes sense

[balmy condor]

I have to balance out your love for necro with some general "dad gone out for milk" energy

haven't liked necro since you made me chase ghosts with LBE for like 3 months so now this is payback

[slow marsh]

Rip lbe not extending on itself like Kevin

[marble hemlock]

isnt it smokes, usually?

[jade minnow]

assa m+ blastin https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=188264/earthbreakers-impact?bonus=1826

[slow marsh]

3min cd sus

[marble hemlock]

not sure how that would be better for assa than any other spec either

since none of our damage increases will work with it

[slow marsh]

Because obviously nature damage means sin m+

[balmy condor]

I almost thought it was a mastery trinket for a second

I was about to lose my shit

[marble hemlock]

i still remember whispyr trying to sell me on the mastery koolaid

[fathom swift]

did they do something to obedience or is this just the ptr spell id bug

[balmy condor]

the spell ID bug

unity isn't simmable atm

[fathom swift]

oof

[balmy condor]

and the obedience id bug made its way into sims

so now PTR obedience is just not simmable

there's no spell data that can jank itself into it

[fathom swift]

thats unfortunate

[balmy condor]

yeh

scarizard fixed it but it wasn't a hotfix I guess

so next build

[fathom swift]

imagine having a dev fix things within a week

haha

[marble hemlock]

BTE bladeflurry cough

[fathom swift]

meanwhile the post about the ret set bug was from early december...

[balmy condor]

just gotta find one and then annoy them with dm's until they reluctantly give in, grumble some angry comments about annoying TC nerds spoiling all the fun, all to get you to shut up for about 2 days before you find out sylv daggers are cursed tech

and then the cycle starts anew

[slow marsh]

Kekw

[fathom swift]

unfortunately our dev does not like posting in class discs

what can you do

[balmy condor]

hunt them down on the forums

[slow marsh]

To be fair that's pretty standard practice tho

[fathom swift]

not posting in class discs? yeah

[slow marsh]

And most class discords aka all of them outside of RH are pretty dangerous places to be caught in the wild in

[fathom swift]

i think some of them are ok

just not like

dh disc

[slow marsh]

If they were as (lol) civil as RH it wouldn't be as uncommon maybe

[jade minnow]

I mean assa, mage and DH dcs are the most jacked... imagine enha shaman DC

[marble hemlock]

@lime gulch

[lime gulch]

wait what did I do now

[slow marsh]

Fbi freeze

[marble hemlock]

you were called weak

or rather

not jacked

[fathom swift]

just wait until you see enh sims

[lime gulch]

could not be more confused

[fathom swift]

you wont say that again

[lime gulch]

Enh is

[marble hemlock]

ive seen them

[lime gulch]

[marble hemlock]

its giga shredded

[slow marsh]

Tbf said person included assa and DH disc in the same sentence so I smell foul play

[bronze pike]

hi bolas

also no

[jade minnow]

exposed

[lime gulch]

not gonna pretend that it's not in the blizzard nerf eye right now

[bronze pike]

dh disc, way worse. horrible

[marble hemlock]

when will the "Required: Elemental Specialization" hotfix be coming?

[fathom swift]

im very happy that enh looks good, cause the value of the ret set is directly related to whether or not you have wft

[bronze pike]

the worst place, i go there to get on peoples nerves

[lime gulch]

ok don't you dare with that one though

[marble hemlock]

hey, you suggested it 😄

[slow marsh]

Isn't ele looking not so hot (pun intended)

[bronze pike]

tel lthem you dont like "chaos blades" adn they all go ape shit with the most vile replies ol

[lime gulch]

all of the stuff I actually cared about (you know, being able to actually AoE/flex CD timers & builds) isn't what's kinda making it go wild rn so

if they kneecap it then w/e

[bronze pike]

im hella excited for shammy this patch

but i dont think ill be able to jugle a 5th toon

[jade minnow]

hows windfury totem % bonus for melees in 9.2?

[slow marsh]

I mean enh just needs to be mid at minimum

[bronze pike]

some what high, ret paladin will gain a;lot with windfury

[slow marsh]

The wft surely gets brought right

[lime gulch]

tuning patches are on the way so we'll see but rn I literally cannot complain about anything with the spec except for the bugs

[bronze pike]

and i mean alot since ret tier set is based on art of war, which procs off autos

[hollow river]

is it feeling any better to play atm on ptr

[lime gulch]

significantly

[hollow river]

that's amazing

i played a little enhance going into 9.1

it felt kinda bad

[lime gulch]

9.1 playstyle was prob one of the worst the spec has had in ages, 9.2 is massively better

[hollow river]

good to hear

[marble hemlock]

still a month or so to go

[hollow river]

my biggest gripe was probably the down time

[marble hemlock]

im sure theyll "fix" it to be as bad or worse by the time 9.2 comes out

[hollow river]

having nothing to press sometimes

[lime gulch]

come the end of SL just gonna forget sanctum ever happened

[hollow river]

[marble hemlock]

cant wait for the rogue copium when it gets demolished by enhance

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[marble hemlock]

at least we have utility unlike those pesky shamans

[bronze pike]

ill be glad for them :)

[marble hemlock]

still remember good ol emerald nightmare, raiding with 2 enhancement shamans in the main roster

[slow marsh]

Tbh no matter how I spin it I just don't see a way to fit double rogue in rwf comp

Unless last 3 end up being mega for us to cheese

[lime gulch]

enh EN was funny, wild RNG though

and still got slaughtered by shadow

[slow marsh]

Ofc tuning can change everything like what was discussed earlier

[marble hemlock]

i mean, few top10 guilds even have 2 rogue players to begin with

[hollow river]

but WFT 😮

[marble hemlock]

i was being sarcastic, obviously

since rogue doesnt have utility at all

[slow marsh]

We have the utility of being sticky

[hollow river]

we bring an immunity tho

[marble hemlock]

a shitty one

which doesnt work on half the immune soaks we get these days

[hollow river]

magic only

[bronze pike]

accurate

paladin divine shield chads

or you know, turtle.

[hollow river]

ice block

[marble hemlock]

ehh, not gonna argue against turtle. hunters need something

[balmy condor]

wordup AND bolas here

[marble hemlock]

block can suck my balls tho

[bronze pike]

ya

[balmy condor]

had to check if this was wowhead server for a second

[slow marsh]

[bronze pike]

be nice whispyr

[marble hemlock]

RH is the hip place to be in, obviously

[bronze pike]

we have visitors

[balmy condor]

the hippest

with the biggest hop

[bronze pike]

it really is tbh

is fun to lurk here

[slow marsh]

Seli just brings the party at a moments notice

[lime gulch]

listen I got pinged into here not my fault

[balmy condor]

you can also do fun things

[marble hemlock]

ye

[balmy condor]

like this

[bronze pike]

lol

[marble hemlock]

wow

stealth pinging

rude

[balmy condor]

hey

[marble hemlock]

psure speed is sleeping though, not sure about ram

[slow marsh]

Zamn

[balmy condor]

it wasn't me

[marble hemlock]

or maybe its the other way around

[balmy condor]

ram and speed stealth pinging each other

has been a feud for many months

[marble hemlock]

yeah, the stealth pings have a long history

[balmy condor]

exactly

a long history

that has not ever been egged on by me

I would never do that

[marble hemlock]

its funnier if you do it on multiple servers tho

[hollow river]

tf is a stealth ping

[balmy condor]

this

[hollow river]

oh deleting it?

[marble hemlock]

well, not really a stealthping if hes in the channel here

[hollow river]

lmao

[balmy condor]

well

yeh

if he's here it's not a ping

[keen mist]

[marble hemlock]

whispyr sucks at stealth

[keen mist]

who was it

[fathom swift]

yeah this is where I ping the devs right?

[balmy condor]

@echo geyser

[marble hemlock]

who do you think it was speed

[balmy condor]

it's always ram

that clown

[marble hemlock]

poor lil ram

getting blamed

[bronze pike]

i saw him with my own pirate eyes

[balmy condor]

getting blamed for something he did

[hollow river]

a real pirate wouldn't snitch

[balmy condor]

it's justice

[marble hemlock]

[bronze pike]

i guess, its always a delight to see scari posting here

[hollow river]

[signal pier]

[bronze pike]

says who, i have incentive

social credit

[marble hemlock]

pinging devs

[balmy condor]

-1% dps

[bronze pike]

mad lad will do it to

[slow marsh]

[lime gulch]

wait scari posted here

he's a qtp2t

[bronze pike]

ya

[signal pier]

Every ping removes 1 bleed/poison from the target

[bronze pike]

i dont know what qtp2t is

[balmy condor]

constantly actually

[lime gulch]

cutie patootie

[bronze pike]

but he appears when a class he works on has new bluenotes

[bronze pike]

ohhh i see it now

[balmy condor]

imagine posting scari quotes and using that instead of this banger

[slow marsh]

He actually posts in general before he posts on forums which is hella nutty imo

[bronze pike]

he aint wrong tho

[fathom swift]

maybe i rereroll back to rogue just so i play a spec with dev communication again

[marble hemlock]

kinda is. havent met a nice sub rogue yet

[bronze pike]

we vips, get the blue notes early lol

[marble hemlock]

he just thinks whispyr is a sub rogue

[slow marsh]

Then people paste the same exact blue notes 5mins later

[marble hemlock]

when all sub players are actually terrible human beings

[keen mist]

@marble hemlock go to sleep

[balmy condor]

Like my German citizenship, I am only a sub rogue when it benefits me

[marble hemlock]

same?

[bronze pike]

like he spends equal amount of time on each class channel

[marble hemlock]

why are you still awake speed

[bronze pike]

which is hella nice of him, going the extra mile

[keen mist]

i woke up hour ago

[bronze pike]

like legit a chill dude

[keen mist]

im on that rwf schedule

[marble hemlock]

[placid dawn]

Hey guys, I would like some help with my guardian parse, apparently I am a grey boi. I would like some pointers aside from the obvious of syncing vendetta and flag for this kill timing
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yQ4Vh2WzYvB7RqwK#fight=33&type=summary&source=18

and no pottion use of course

[marble hemlock]

see, im in the "fucked up life" schedule atm, so im awake exactly when i need to be

[slow marsh]

Good morning Mr sir

[keen mist]

are you having midlife crisis seli

@slow marsh

[marble hemlock]

dude, im way past that

im basically a senior at this point

[slow marsh]

Wot I'm tryna play TFT here

[marble hemlock]

id yell "get off my lawn" at children if i had a lawn

[low girder]

[marble hemlock]

hey, i was being nice

i usually say "garbage spec for garbage people"

[low girder]

[marble hemlock]

assa will reign supreme again in 9.2, just wait

[low girder]

I guess I'm not really much of any rogue rn anyway

[marble hemlock]

necro assa, btw. with emeni, so whispyr will have to do some more LBE sims. im sure SBSing on aoe before 2pc shiv is a gain, and we need to know how much for each additional melee in grp

@balmy condor hope youre ready for that

[toxic quail]

@bleak sky im coming bro!

[balmy condor]

I hate you

[marble hemlock]

love you too, good night sweetheart

have fun at work

[jade minnow]

where our wep bruh, meanwhile daggers from raid with versa/mastery

[low girder]

Why is poxstorm in there

[hollow river]

[jade minnow]

because its not a dagger 🙂

[low girder]

I mean sure but it's also from a launch m+

[bronze pike]

im not looking forward to heroic jailer farm for that two hander..

[low girder]

Weird thing to complain about existing now is all

[bleak sky]

Go for riptack, get his r1

[gusty mirage]

leave my boy riptack alone

miss the old a52 sin leaderboards

fighting with riptack and whispyr for top 20

[bleak sky]

I can't leave them alone, gotta be madge at them

[balmy condor]

I heard one of those guys is a loser thinking about night fae and the other is riptack

[gusty mirage]

Damn bro don’t put me on blast like that

But no more mfd

[balmy condor]

Yeh

That’s the dream

[slow marsh]

[spice spire]

Dudes be going into the deep dark tech to stop mfd

Smdh

[gusty mirage]

And you’ll move to mfd 6 months after it was cool

[spice spire]

Yessir

It’s the makeitquake way

Play venthyr in 9.0.5 as everyone is enjoying NL, play NL IN 9.1-9.1.5 while everyone playing venthyr

[slow marsh]

Not playing Nf in 9.2

[bleak sky]

but mfd is fun

[gusty mirage]

Not playing fire mage in any patch

[slow marsh]

Tru quake is quite the mage I hear

[bleak sky]

Not being the cutest lawyer in any patch

[spice spire]

I do enjoy snapping a barrier

[gusty mirage]

Still waiting for mage to be bad, one of these years

[spice spire]

Ya feel

[gusty mirage]

Next year for sure

[bleak sky]

9.2.5 = mage bad patch

[spice spire]

9.3 was the bad mage patch

Unlucky

[gusty mirage]

actually wait no, I need mage to be good for rmd/rmp

[slow marsh]

Oxi glad yet?

[spice spire]

Bro

This is an intervention

[gusty mirage]

Oxi rocking a 71% win rate at 2200 mmr

968 in 3s rn tho

[bleak sky]

damn 2200

[gusty mirage]

Someone let me borrow 5% vers so I don’t die when a ret pally sneezes on me

Ty

[bleak sky]

will that even make a difference

[gusty mirage]

No

[spice spire]

You said vomit wrong

[gusty mirage]

I went from 84% to 0 in 2.4s with feint

It was nice

[slow marsh]

The key with ret pallies is that they macro all their shit on one button because they don't actually have brains

[gusty mirage]

That was outside of wings btw

[slow marsh]

So you open and when they hit their all in one button just gtfo

You're welcome that'll be 3 gold

[bleak sky]

I tried pvp once at 30% vers, necro shield and alll the shenanigans

[gusty mirage]

Thanks for the tip r1 iceblades

[bleak sky]

mm necro hunter just insta gibbed me

[slow marsh]

Np

[bleak sky]

tilted and never again

[gusty mirage]

Nah you just accept your loss against hunters

Esp BM

Hunters are just a bad target for sin rogues because of craven

[bleak sky]

I believe you

[slow marsh]

#pvp

[gusty mirage]

Didn’t ask

[slow marsh]

#pvp

[gusty mirage]

Specifically talking about assassination

[slow marsh]

#pvp assassination

JK I'm sorry don't skip me

[gusty mirage]

#didntaskdontcareplusyouplayhunter

[bleak sky]

r1 kt btw

[slow marsh]

Yes I happen to log in to a hunter every now and again what of it

[gusty mirage]

Who

[bleak sky]

yes

[gusty mirage]

Damn

[slow marsh]

All those juicy all star points

Oh wait

[gusty mirage]

Minal too smart

[bleak sky]

it's weird to me that fatescribe counts for allstars but kt doesn't

feel like it should be the other way around

[slow marsh]

Yeah

Well to be fair when they disabled asp for KT it was with the hold dps bs

[bleak sky]

true I guess

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[vestal wren]

was 3 am for me, so you pinged me at a bad time ^^

[hexed frost]

Complete loot tables for Sepulchur available now?

[vestal wren]

Loot is still worked on iirc, so you need to wait a bit for it

[upper elm]

Mfd shows 1 min cd, is there a rank2 or something, so that you could use it every 30 seconds as assa?

[oak sky]

sin has a different mfd than sub and outlaw

30s mfd

i dont think talents are usually ranks

[upper elm]

Ah ok thx

[viscid spear]

Sin and Sub both have MfD at 30 seconds.
Outlaw's is 1min because of Restless Blades lowering the CD, the other two don't

[oak sky]

sub has 1min mfd

[viscid spear]

Oh, thought it was 30 too

[oak sky]

i kinda remember watching a pvp stream and the sub rogue having 1min mfd anyway

[viscid spear]

Guess it doesn't need the lower CD because it can already pump out finishers

[oak sky]

i dont think it exactly works like that

tbh

they probably just made it 1min then lowered sin because it would be total dog without it 30s or something like that

[deft cave]

sub has it at 30s cd

tooltip just pepega

[oak sky]

damn

thats weird

my bad ashkitten

[viscid spear]

[vestal wren]

Cooldown of it is diffrent across specs

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=137619/marked-for-death#modified-by

[soft shale]

yea only outlaw has the longer one for obvious reasons

[rotund oak]

buff outlaw #problemsolved

[kind talon]

just make it 30 seconds for outlaw too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/879946449566203944.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[thorny pond]

You want arthritis? That’s how you get arthritis

[soft shale]

lul imagine getting those things just by playing wow imagine the people that play starcraft or osu

[strange python]

garrotes from sepsis are not empowered .. i hate nf even more

[thorny pond]

We play wow because we are old

[rotund oak]

starcraft gamer here

perfectly healthy fingers/bones

[vast glacier]

If I'm using the Master Assassin's Mark legendary on AOE, is Subterfuge still a main choice of a talent? Because on surface the Garotte spreading seems like waste of MAM window =-)

[limber lion]

You can play the Master Assassin build with Nightstalker, MFD and CT.

What you do is you press MFD from stealth and then open with CT to snapshot the NS buff with it.

Opener is MFD - CT - FoK - Rup - FoK - Rup - Gar

You want to hit the initial CT on as many targets as possible and let it drop completely before applying a new one.

[vast glacier]

Hmm, that's interesting =-)

[limber lion]

You kinda have to wait around a bit for the mobs to group up before you open

[vast glacier]

So we don't use SnD early on this opener? Or is it for cases when you still have SnD running from the next pack?

[limber lion]

With the normal Subterfuge build with Zoldyck you can immediately start combat the second the tank pulls.

[limber lion]

Yeah, you want to maintain SND from previous packs.

You leave the previous packs with SnD running and extra combo points. You press SnD before opening on the next pack, followed by the MFD CT after.

[vast glacier]

And in case it was not possible, I presume, it's better to MFD - CT - FoK - Snd?

[limber lion]

I think the sim actually just uses SnD with the MFD, that's probably fine.

MFD Snd, open with FoK - Rup - FoK - Rup - Gar

But it's quite minimal because it should only realistically be the first pack where you do it

And the rest of the dungeon you should never let SnD drop ever again

[vast glacier]

Got it. So if I use MoMA, the Vigor is worse than MfD?

[limber lion]

Always making sure to slam Envenoms towards the end of the pack to increase the duration and leave the pack with 5 combo points.

[limber lion]

Yes, because you can't do the CT opener without MFD.

[vast glacier]

Understood, thanks =-)

[limber lion]

If you play Vigor, you should play Subterfuge as well.

Which, like you mentioned, isn't really ideal with MA

[vast glacier]

Btw, I did not play MfD for a long time. Could you remind me, I should try to snipe low HP mobs with it, right?

[limber lion]

It's not that necessary to be honest. That would be ideal, but it's a lot of work for not too too much gain.

Oh and by the way, in 1-2 targets you want to open with MFD Rupture

instead of CT

[strange python]

U guys talking about 9.2 or 9.1.5?

[limber lion]

Current content.

[vast glacier]

Got it, thanks =-)

[limber lion]

But again, the Master Assassin build is not the best. If you have options, I would highly recommend to just sticking to the normal Zoldyck build.

[vast glacier]

Yes, I'm just exploring alternatives =-)

[limber lion]

For sure!

[strange python]

For raiding what di you guys use? Vigor or mfd?

[low epoch]

mfd lately, sims higher

[thorny pond]

MFD is pretty straightforward for us. Nice little boost

[strange python]

Use it on opener I guess

[echo geyser]

3x

[strange python]

Raid environment

[bleak sky]

use with flag, use on cd, hold for up to 15sec to line up with flag if needed

[viscid spear]

If you're not using Obedience and sending MfD during Flag and on CD thereafter, the second use of Flag will line up perfectly with MfD, give or take a few seconds. 👌

[rotund oak]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[obsidian zinc]

i asked this same question in the sub thread. i havent really followed anything from 9.2. where can i get some good info about which covenant and legendary combination will be the best? i saw the spreadsheet but thats about ti

[limber lion]

From here.

We'll have pins up and update the faq accordingly.

The Wowhead guides will also be updated when the time arises.

Currently looking like Night Fae or Venthyr, with Duskwalkers.

[obsidian zinc]

ok thanks

[devout remnant]

guys i saw in one video that frost set is only worth at 4 shard lvl, is it true? there's some sort of pump?

[alpine latch]

I mean ... if you don't want to maximize your damage, then sure

Leave it at 4

You'd be missing out in several hundred DPS for no real reason

[devout remnant]

no i'm just a little be anxious, and did all i can do for ember this week