Fuck
#assassination
balmy condor
echo geyser
viscid spear
Why do they call it oven when you of in the cold food of out hot eat the food?
limber lion
that looks crazy
strange python
Y'all ready for Night Fae for windfury?
limber lion
Oh shit the toy lasts for 5 minutes and has a 5 minute cooldown
viscid spear
Y'all ready for Night Fae for windfury?
Do you have OG Windfury?
strange python
Do you have OG Windfury?
We have a windfury, but elegy trinket
Our enh is going NF
viscid spear
I mean the sword, silly
echo geyser
i did level NF for toy + mogs + wep illusion
summer cipher
Does shiv increase Bleed Damage?
fallow otter
boys whats the best sin combo on ptr atm? anyone tested
cov and legend
doin some raid testing tonight
oak sky
Does shiv increase Bleed Damage?
with tier set next patch yes right now no
oak sky
boys whats the best sin combo on ptr atm? anyone tested
venthyr or nf with duskwalkers leggo and the unity belt
fallow otter
ta, i wouldnt have tested that one haha
gusty mirage
@limber lion do you offer coaching sessions on how to not hate sepsis?
oak sky
press the button and pretend nothing happened
balmy condor
it plays bs/ds for sure
Damn are you danish cause you’re copinghagen
oak sky
Damn are you danish cause you’re copinghagen
ur just a hater
mfs been pullin up
just to hate
im about love and positivity
tryna put out good energy
balmy condor
I do too but I don't know what side I'm arguing for anymore
cause if it doesn't play mfd
slow marsh
lmao
balmy condor
Im interested
but it's fae
which im not interested
but korayn on these fights
interested
but podtender
not interested
oak sky
pod 
sour wraith
double cheat death 
balmy condor
but venth timings and not being able to hit any of these fucking bosses for 12 seconds
not good
but sepsis 1:30 cd
not good
nimble tartan
echo geyser
rly?
steel geyser
big lie
balmy condor
it happens fairly often yeh
sour wraith
just proc cheat death before choosing dreamweaver
echo geyser
steel geyser
just don't take big hit
echo geyser
10 or 8min?
steel geyser
balmy condor
yeah just don't take a big hit that requires cheat or pod in the first place
nimble tartan
i played elusive on argus prog bro 
balmy condor
🧠
nimble tartan
i knew i wasnt gonna die im just different tho
balmy condor
we leeching poison gamers
balmy condor
i knew i wasnt gonna die im just different tho
skip when he comes back from running arrow out
nimble tartan
i cant bully skip anymore bro he too sensitive...
echo geyser
u can have easily 20-25%
ah fuck the BoEs were tier slots in 9,2
nvm cant pay 2 win leech
median silo
Even worse it’s mastery 😦
echo geyser
stats already out?
oak sky
ramfam really wants the r1 week 1 healing parse
balmy condor
oak sky
balmy condor
ramfam want the week 1 tazavesh +35
slow marsh
which side
oak sky
which side
streets for sure
balmy condor
which side
both at once
oak sky
fuck gambit
balmy condor
wasnt mastery gaining a bit value in 9.2?
yes it is
echo geyser
anyways its pretty cringe that boes are tier slots
echo geyser
more gold to spend on something else
echo geyser
gusty mirage
No flag means no mfd
no mfd
balmy condor
bronze pike
👀
echo geyser
if only shiv was the exsang effect
median silo
https://www.wowhead.com/news/boe-trash-drops-added-to-sepulcher-of-the-first-ones-most-share-slots-with-tier-325567 took minute to find it sorry
echo geyser
smh only 1 mail piece that isnt a tier slot
limber lion
how is ds so good, free me from this torment
gusty mirage
EP/DS is 11881
sign me up
viscid spear
Fuck venthyr
median silo
Mail classes get all the luck. #WhenIsItOurTurn
oak sky
this patch was our turn unfortunately
balmy condor
EP/DS is 11881
wait pog
balmy condor
heavy doubt on that one
balmy condor
if you're doing aoe you're getting resets
limber lion
big stonks
balmy condor
It's a +100 dps increase with the subterfuge change
is there a subterfuge change that isn't in sims
limber lion
the subterfuge mutilate stealth line
that I spoke about yesterday
that was with nf though, let me check if Venthyr gets something from it with DS as well
I hope not
🤞
limber lion
0.5% gain for NF
balmy condor
if venth DS is pog then nf is dead to me
limber lion
pretty poggers
oak sky
true
balmy condor
but if venth mfd stays alive
oak sky
venth DS is best case
balmy condor
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
oak sky
yeah
balmy condor
mfd is bad
echo geyser
and still maybe ds win
echo geyser
no vigor for dusk gains
oak sky
Whispyr has been saying that since CN
frost happened
limber lion
frost happened <:starege:923197272064426075>
we never ever played ds with unholy
inland hull
with enough gear
Is that due to creeping haste increases?
limber lion
the sets don't matter
oak sky
Is that due to creeping haste increases?
ask whispyr i got it from him
balmy condor
it is creeping haste yes
limber lion
@balmy condor I reran your sim and I somehow lose 700 dps. Any ideas?
balmy condor
which one
oak sky
limber lion
literal peepobrain 4:32am
echo geyser
balmy condor
I think the way scari put the change in wasn't a hotfix or anything
so the ptr obedience is still bugged
which means the spell data simc pulls is still bugged
which means broken
balmy condor
unity is actually funny in sims because of bonus id's from what I know
limber lion
Ah okay
balmy condor
I tried it on..... wednesday? and it didn't work
limber lion
Okay well rip
Do you have a talent-string for advanced that I could copy? @balmy condor
I think I have the one I made in our dms actually
balmy condor
a talent-string?
limber lion
just a list of copies for every talent setup
but I found it
I was actually looking forward to playing Fae
With DS, I'm not so sure.
limber lion
I'm so anxious to see the Venthyr sims
balmy condor
I'm okay with this
play jank covenant to avoid jank talent
a sacrifice I'm willing to make
echo geyser
arctic walrus
@balmy condor what wrong?
balmy condor
night fae sims higher with deeper than mfd
and that's a good thing
but it means I might actually play fae
which is not a good thing
balmy condor
but a necessary sacrifice to make to avoid mfd
arctic walrus
wth??
slow marsh
slim wagon
you mustn't give up....have faith in the Vamp lords!
slow marsh
I mean vamp isn't dead heh pun
slim wagon
things will change in the aristocrats favor!
slow marsh
doubt
balmy condor
venth is good
arctic walrus
guess i'm an outlaw main
balmy condor
fae is good
arctic walrus
@sudden brook hey bestie heard ur looking for a new cf
balmy condor
like fae was never bad this ptr cycle
sudden brook
<@!96834520417828864> hey bestie heard ur looking for a new cf
whhy are u pinging me in sin
slow marsh
I think if they take away the snapshot on vend then we maybe lose enough cdr to make vend and flag actually line up
arctic walrus
multispec freakazoid thought you wouldn't mind
slim wagon
fae is good
ya, but EVERY Class in this game is Fae!
slow marsh
even better
loud light
a few weeks before 9.2 isn't too late to just redesign sepsis to not be the most boring ability in the world... right?
sudden brook
multispec freakazoid thought you wouldn't mind
what are u asking me
arctic walrus
is sub simming higher than this dog spec anyway
echo geyser
@balmy condor if they give us the gcd from AR on fae its only like 0.1% gain right or less
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> if they give us the gcd from AR on fae its only like 0.1%...
yeah probably not great
echo geyser
balmy condor
is sub simming higher than this dog spec anyway
atm much higher
sub sims are like 13.8 or some shit
sin is scratching 12
echo geyser
we'll see when hc week hits
arctic walrus
but bugs and shit yeah?
echo geyser
arctic walrus
bosses have 0 hp when you look at them from the bench
sudden brook
is sub simming higher than this dog spec anyway
on ptr or live
slim wagon
the bench aint bad...Max on the Bench every RWF
arctic walrus
on ptr or live
bro are you literally cooked whenever you aren't in your comfort zone
sudden brook
LOL
hollow river
I sim more in the live game currently
limber lion
Nevermind, I got it higher
Next week I'll beat it for sure when I get a dagger from vault and the kt shoulders from the boss
hollow river
Next week I'll beat it for sure when I get a dagger from vault and the kt should...
good luck man
balmy condor
u wan tomoro
I had a stroke is this english
bleak sky
hi friends
thorny pond
whatd ya get buddy?
bleak sky
a non-deserved 2nd daggie
glass tulip
im happy for you 🙂
lucid birch
@balmy condor is rogue good
kind talon
Yes
slow marsh
<@167090536602140682> is rogue good
Are you good
lucid birch
I asked one person
slow marsh
Lol
thorny pond
one of the main TCers for rogue won't think rogue is anything but good
the man selling hotdogs prefers hamburgers
slow marsh
Damn I wish I could go on Max's discord and @him and ask if raid leading is good
And when someone else answers tell them I asked one person
Pretty
thorny pond
Go to church, ask if god is good
slow marsh
Then say "I asked one person"
thorny pond
"I asked Jesus if god was good"
slim wagon
Put your daggers on a stick! It’s the TIER of the SPEAR. Surv Hunter Best Hunter!
thorny pond
yea take the @livid escarp comparison whispyr
limber swallow
slow marsh
Is mystery apl full send ?
limber lion
No
slow marsh
I did want to see what full send NF looked like vs holding sepsis for shiv
thorny pond
Man
limber lion
Let me see if I can do some full send sims
I think they're a bit too elaborate for me though but I'll give it a shot lmao
oak sky
now I can blue parse harder
:0
placid dawn
mfd gameplay is just press on cd right?
and save when flag is almost off cd? if so, how much time can i save mfd for it?
slow marsh
Yes 15s
placid dawn
cool, thanks
slow marsh
Np
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is rogue good
I need help everyone, I'm trying really hard to play disc but today during our raid testing I was playing out of my mind, every gcd beautifully chained together, big ramps and dodging mechanics left and right. At the end of the pull I checked the meters and I was only at 8600 hps, barely above our blood dk. Then the worst part, I hear a mic queue up in discord and it was our MW apologizing because he had to answer the phone mid pull. Immediately my eyes shoot back to the meter and he was at 16.4k hps with his eyes closed. Is this spec even playable?
bleak sky
a focused will enjoyer I see
balmy condor
one of the main TCers for rogue won't think rogue is anything but good
also lmao
lucid birch
I got ‘em
balmy condor
stay mald
lucid birch
slow marsh
🐒
thorny pond
Osh was right the whole time
fleet anchor
I mean definitely not the whole time but yeah. 😛
abstract leaf
Theory crafting was invented by whisper to make rogues look good change my mind
balmy condor
fleet anchor
This is a pretty simple change. It’s just removing a tweak Whispyr had found in CN that used to be a gain on Mutilate vs Ambush. But current gear levels likely changed the small bias there.
thorny pond
did you carry the 1?
fleet anchor
This is fairly typical tier migration stuff as gear shifts.
balmy condor
I invented patchwerk sims because rogue single target is good
fleet anchor
Sub 1% changes are still relatively meaningless at the end of the day but will help make some more informed decisions for next tier.
slow marsh
I mean venth on paper should still be better
thorny pond
good thing we play this game on a pc not paper
fleet anchor
Not like this is earth shattering but it’s good to know that it’s worth using Ambush again
balmy condor
This is a pretty simple change. It’s just removing a tweak Whispyr had found in ...
also hate that mfd is better on venth compared to other specs, means I need covenant specific profiles for accurate representations
kind of a real pain in my ass
fleet anchor
Well hasn’t that always been the case though? Necro preferred Deeper before other Covenants
slow marsh
True
limber lion
Yeah, it also means we use Slice much earlier
which is great
Feels bad building to 5 combo points before pressing Slice
gar slice ambush, now that's an opener
slow marsh
So what makes ambush over Mut better tho
fleet anchor
I mean I think it’s definitely better for us if Subterfuge is marginally better than MA if only because it gives some more flexibility in cleave and stuff as well.
All things being equal it’s probably better to run Subterfuge
slow marsh
I think MA was only competitive on venthyr anyways
balmy condor
Well hasn’t that always been the case though? Necro preferred Deeper before othe...
Necro fell to the Mfd gods eventually too though
So it was kind of okay
But now there’s like an actual fairly substantial difference
fleet anchor
You could probably just build it into the profile btw
talent_override=marked_for_death,if=covenant.venthyr
faint harness
w
thorny pond
you lost push?
slow marsh
That's disturbing
thorny pond
How goes the spear Ice?
slow marsh
230
thorny pond
nice
fleet anchor
Big bonk
sour wraith
makes sense w/ the 2pc
slow marsh
The send shiv isn't far behind tho
fleet anchor
I mean Send Shiv is basically so small of a difference tbh in practice
slow marsh
With multi target send shiv would outpace
limber lion
Yeh
slow marsh
It's not bad to hold sep for next vend tho I'm down for that
fleet anchor
We already send Shiv most of the time anyway. Just Vendetta sync. But NF has some logic that actually makes it more aggressive in practice other than syncing with bonk.
arctic walrus
So what makes ambush over Mut better tho
is this some mandala effect shit
the fuck i just read
slow marsh
gar slice ambush, now that's an opener
.
fleet anchor
I mean it’s hard to say because gear has changed so much
bronze pike
Such a change of pace not gonna lie
faint harness
"ambush over mut better tho"
fleet anchor
If were to guess I’d say it’s just energy gen
limber lion
It's just that we don't really value cp gain from subterfuge as much as with Master Assassin
Even more so when playing NF instead of Venthyr
Or at least, that's one part for sure.
fleet anchor
Before the difference of the efficiency of using Mutilate when you didn’t have an Ambush proc was much higher and that probably mattered more. Also CP gen for setting up SnD before CttC
Multiple small factors adding up most likely
limber lion
A lot has changed since we dabbled with NF
slow marsh
All the non sin players coming to a whole new spec with 9.2 sin
limber lion
Good thing the apl already uses Ambush so we don't even need to change anything
fleet anchor
Also have to consider with the set bonuses the value of Subt changes in general so it changes a lot of factors
Subt was awful for a long time so we didn’t care much about it
arctic walrus
A lot has changed since we dabbled with NF
already writing up my cf resignation notice and i'm gonna be citing this as a source
fleet anchor
So this is not really a strange finding. Pretty routine tbh
Sub 1% on a large gear change with a different talent that used to be bad and a new set bonus and more gear is kinda… just normal stuff 😄
We will talk about it tomorrow probably!
limber lion
already writing up my cf resignation notice and i'm gonna be citing this as a so...
Not like it matters for you, Mr. Pirate.
slow marsh
Ye its already technically better to open with ambush slice so it makes sense as we get more gear
If it would increase the damage to CP gen ratio gap
fleet anchor
Honestly we can probably say we are on the fortunate side in terms of how little we have to change the APL for Assassination
Compare to most specs
limber lion
We also used to play Doomblade back in CN, which valued Mutilate over Ambush as well.
A bunch of things
slow marsh
2p tied to shiv helps a lot actually on terms of apl
fleet anchor
The fact that most of the APL is still from early BfA and still seemingly optimal outside of some CD stuff and a few DoT refresh thresholds is kinda lol
slow marsh
Just remove the hold shiv for vend bit and voila
limber lion
We love it.
fleet anchor
Sub APL was almost fully rewritten after the revamps in prepatch and moving forward for comparisons
Assassination has stayed relatively consistent for a long time
Which makes sense considering Blizzard hasn’t really changed the spec much at all
Other than borrowed power
fleet anchor
I’m not against it lol
subtle kiln
spice spire
surreal prism
<:flag:819633878733160498> <:MonkaS:359716668592750592>
<:sepsis:81963387861637...
👀
arctic walrus
balmy condor
oak sky
<:flag:819633878733160498> <:Gladge:845712339692290059>
<:sepsis:81963387861637...
so true
junior rampart
This tea sucks. I have tried every hour and out of 12 times it has given agi 9 times and vers 3 times. such a troll.
balmy condor
Rng gonna rng
sturdy mesa
<:flag:819633878733160498> <:Gladge:845712339692290059>
<:sepsis:81963387861637...
The Dead emote makes me giggle everytime idk why
vestal wren
This tea sucks. I have tried every hour and out of 12 times it has given agi 9 t...
you need to learn to enjoy all flavors of tea
urban thistle
<:flag:819633878733160498> <:Gladge:845712339692290059>
<:sepsis:81963387861637...
so true bestie
nimble tartan
<:flag:819633878733160498> <:Gladge:845712339692290059>
<:sepsis:81963387861637...
brave
pallid bough
does anyone have a vod of the testing today in Sin pov?
subtle kiln
This tea sucks. I have tried every hour and out of 12 times it has given agi 9 t...
still better than Thrill Seeker going off during intermission.
small nymph
What's our stat prio? Thought it was Haste > Crit > Vers > Mast, but looking at logs its seems like people are doing Crit > Haste > Vers > Mast 🤔
subtle kiln
crit haste with frost shards
balmy condor
Crit haste without frost shards as well
subtle kiln
just sim self
balmy condor
Should sim yo self for those as well
white shard
We sim stat weights now?
subtle kiln
top gear
balmy condor
Never sim stat weights
small nymph
Just simmed, it wants me to put on my crit/vers over haste/vers ring and enchant haste on everything 🤔
balmy condor
Makes sense
small nymph
And switch out my 252 Haste/Mast amulet for my 239 Crit/vers :s
balmy condor
Also makes sense
small nymph
Fair enough
balmy condor
The 252 haste/mast is tarragrue neck right
That shit with like 3000 mastery and 20 haste?
subtle kiln
rocking 42% crit and 14% haste. still want more crit.
small nymph
The mists one
small nymph
Got it week one in S2 so 😅
balmy condor
Mastery bad
Well, mastery is okay, as long as you don’t have it on more than 1 piece
small nymph
Think most of my shit is crit/haste or crit/vers now 😂
balmy condor
As it should be
hexed frost
Guys so today is our Guardian kill and I've been doing pretty well on our last pulls running EP/Vigor but simbot wants me to go BS/DS. I don't feel good running BS/DS. Is it worth it though?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r9JBgD7x3xn5SvDYi9oU1V
balmy condor
Bs/ds is optimal on guardian
Next best would be ep/mfd for everything
Ep/vig being behind that
hexed frost
Bs/ds is optimal on guardian
I remember talking to you earlier and you mentioned BS/DS being optimal on guardian only. Checks out though. I will just practice on dummy to get used it
slow marsh
I mean you can just play ep mfd if it's that big a deal
subtle kiln
better off playing whatever you’re more comfortable with. that’s most optimal vs the minor increase from talents you don’t enjoy or play with often.
hexed frost
Another thing, if i have full CP and have both shiv off CD and rupture in pandemic window, which is priority? Shiv or rupture?
balmy condor
Shiv
slow marsh
It's always shiv bb
subtle kiln
#tbocd
glass tulip
but then refreshing rupture during shiv 🤔
glass tulip
idk why wouldnt you be trying to fit envenoms in instead
subtle kiln
people still overvalue that
balmy condor
Because you’d be holding shivs
subtle kiln
vs losing a shiv cast
slow marsh
Shiv is uptime debuff
balmy condor
Shiv is a debuff you keep up on the target like a bleed
slow marsh
Yeah they do it's cringe
glass tulip
rip
lean coral
But y
lean coral
Anti poaching maybe
Fucked you over tho if you try to move on to a better guild unless you log yourself
balmy condor
Anti Poaching is like 95% of guilds reasons to private log
lean coral
Private logging so other guilds can't check your raiders out
slow marsh
I went from 851 heroic last tier to 99 this tier. Does that mean next tier I go to #1?
slow marsh
More importantly I went from 2300 guild to 480 and possibly more? Not sure yet
glass tulip
ez clap brother, make the climb
slow marsh
hexed frost
Private logging so other guilds can't check your raiders out
I remember being surprised when this mentality was a thing when i started working for Google's YouTube API last year. I was called into HR office and given a warning that i was not allowed to browse through any other companies' recruitment portals(they had blacklisted a ton of competitor's sites like amazon, microsoft to name). WoW is same i guess
hexed frost
Yeah they do it's cringe
Can't you just private log your mythic kill then?
glass tulip
The reason I would private log, if any, would be to stop people from doing what I do. I open their guild, stalk their rogues, then say specifically in my application that I think I am better and I could beat their performance
slow marsh
Yeah but they don't want people to upload them still
glass tulip
if I see a stream of pink parses I just close it and move on to the next 🤣
balmy condor
The reason I would private log, if any, would be to stop people from doing what ...
this sheds your application to my guild in a whole new light
glass tulip
okay that round of apps was a little different
glass tulip
but also
hexed frost
Yeah but they don't want people to upload them still
"they don't want people to upload"
Bruh that's some shady behaviour lmao
glass tulip
if there's anything I have, its an ego backed up by absolutely thin air
slow marsh
Normally I would agree but it's not like it's uncommon for wr 500 guilds to private log so /shrug
I don't like it and it bugs me
balmy condor
if there's anything I have, its an ego backed up by absolutely thin air
If there’s anything I have, it’s a massive cranium on my shoulders that’s incapable of pushing the buttons it should
slow marsh
But it is what it is
balmy condor
Thought I would change going from AotC andy to CE andy
Still a theorycrafter that can’t play for shit
slow marsh
You're fine lol
glass tulip
same though, I refuse to pad on fate/kt
glass tulip
always top boss dam in the raid, no question about it
balmy condor
whats your average for damage to bosses
Around the same I think
slow marsh
You could fix your parses by hopping right over to a new new guild
glass tulip
other classes arent built like us
ashen scroll
trying to parse on soulrender against boomkins and hunters is a really fun time 😄
glass tulip
just gotta hope the monk is asleep
slow marsh
Not too hard to parse on soulrender actually
ashen scroll
my guilds monk swapped feral.... im safe for now
hexed frost
I'm 6/10 and only care about loots. I never even check my logs until unless raid leader points out something specific.
glass tulip
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AkGdvmNchCL24qyQ#fight=43&type=damage-done
91 soulrender, not great but also idk what the rest of this raid was doing
literally drooling on keyboards
oh also its a 19 man
balmy condor
Yeah for mythic I’m at 82.5 for damage and 83.2 for boss dam
97 on guardian that’s the real test of skill right
glass tulip
87.2/88.5 boss dam
slender berry
i guess you didnt pass the wft/pi check on guardian , get better
glass tulip
trying my best dad 🥺
balmy condor
I have wft
slow marsh
I miss wft
glass tulip
I need to learn the dust swap for sub but I like sin better
balmy condor
rolls up to ptr testing after not playing sin for 5 months
slender berry
my overall logs suck but i got 98,7 on boss dmg on sub
glass tulip
fuck them blue guys
slow marsh
I mean what did you expect tho smh
slow marsh
Just gonna get Joe shmoe sin rogue like everyone else apparently has in their groups and slap them?
These rogues rolling up to ptr still using dashing and master assassin
balmy condor
I need a rogue buddy in my raid, but he has to be worse than me so I can keep egoing myself
glass tulip
hm, take @brazen zodiac perfect fit guaranteed
balmy condor
+400 dps from the confidence boost knowing you’re the better rogue on the roster
They’re an external
Like wft
slow marsh
I have a rogue "buddy" in my raid but he plays sub and is kinda sus
He's chill and stuff but he was telling RL I shouldn't play CT on KT because it's not single target
slender berry
everytime we get a new rogue he quits after a few months either to go play pvp or m+ (were alliance so they switch horde for m+)
lean coral
Fucking 80 average in mythic with 3 blue parses
balmy condor
glass tulip
big oof
lean coral
My guild refuses to do fate again
Or the fast kill strat on sylv
We're only killing her 2 more times for mounts also
slow marsh
My sylv is a 30 even though I go right right because I try to be ethical =[
glass tulip
who you on the phone with this late at night 🤔
balmy condor
who you on the phone with this late at night 🤔
Gf we sleep together on discord like an e-couple
slow marsh
Next week I'm playing obed and flagging each add set
ashen scroll
Next week I'm playing obed and flagging each add set
you when your gm asks where the boss dam at
xd
slow marsh
Na I'll still be on top
Since it was my first two clears and I was still feeling iffy about stuff I made sure to hold for burn phases when I could've had extra casts
glass tulip
I gotta get some sub parsing done, I have a full blue average in heroic only 🤣
glass tulip
Since it was my first two clears and I was still feeling iffy about stuff I made...
yeah its tough to balance, my kills so far ive been having to hold vendetta/fcm right at the end of p1
so its just a ton of downtime
ashen scroll
im the opposite lmao, i gotta get some sin/law parses down after completing sub. swapped to rogue after prog
bro do you press cv on cooldown
slow marsh
Yes you don't ?
slender berry
the "i use theotar" healing logs
glass tulip
I dont take damage 
ashen scroll
no my healers would hate me if i did
balmy condor
That guardian log is some degeneracy btw
glass tulip
heals
slow marsh
CV costs 5 energy and a global why tf wouldnt you hit that every time you move off boss for one second
balmy condor
So degenerate I had to go back and do it twice
glass tulip
you move off boss?
balmy condor
glass tulip
So degenerate I had to go back and do it twice
like how
ashen scroll
because my broccoli man does this lmao
slender berry
crimson vial is like 0 healing compared to bloodlink, theotar, leech and recup
balmy condor
True
balmy condor
<:ionwut:482536516006969364> like how
earnest remnant
slender berry
insane degeneracy would be telling your mage to press arcane intelligence every 20 seconds and warrior / priests their buffs
balmy condor
blood set, oof
No no, it’s blood set + kyr + tel
slender berry
its funny with how with enough theotar players they can use their raid buffs as a defensive
balmy condor
balmy condor
<:Khadgar:839515712976060447>
Failed experiment tbh the healing sucks
earnest remnant
respectable tho
slow marsh
Gotta respecc the grustle
balmy condor
Better off just running a real lego and leeching harder
slow marsh
I wonder what I'd be if my sylv was public
glass tulip
leak 👁️
ashen scroll
i mean you could check
hexed frost
How's IQD for us? I have a 246 IQD and it's simming 78 DPS higher than my 239 SFA
slow marsh
How
slender berry
Better off just running a real lego and leeching harder
maybe running vitality sacrifice would be worth
ashen scroll
take your overall and compare it in the rankings and see where you'd end up
this omits all the other people private logging tho
glass tulip
he was talking about checking something else
slow marsh
Iqd is fine tho
glass tulip
How's IQD for us? I have a 246 IQD and it's simming 78 DPS higher than my 239 SF...
what sim says goes except also 
dont run it if you dont like it
hexed frost
oh ok
oak sky
im not rank 7
glass tulip
how did you violate your raid like this on remnant 
ashen scroll
if they ever ask you to run a ball, just link them that LOL
oak sky
i never seen an external + vel did it better
glass tulip
mom come pick me up, im scared 
slow marsh
Lol
oak sky
slow marsh
Also has wft
glass tulip
wft is not giving him 4k more damage than what we are doing 🤣
slow marsh
I suck at padding too actually I need to do better
oak sky
vel's raid either had a rough week or late grips or (my favorite) hes just better
glass tulip
he is just better
oak sky
if i had to guess he probably dotted up adds really well
oak sky
and they lived long enough for it to matter
glass tulip
this is the number that really matters
oak sky
thats all specs too
glass tulip
yep, it just asks "are you a gamer or a sin otp"
slow marsh
Yeah I play outlaw well I just stopped since I don't have eon or a 252 vein or pox
Also I had a trial with a really bad guild that kinda ruined my medians because my parses with them were terrible
They had some dumb ass strats
glass tulip
same, tons of greens
oak sky
dont think about medians
as long as your parses are good and you dont die much in your prog logs ur good
glass tulip
I'm aware of what needs to happen, we're just microfocusing unimportant details rn :)
I snuck onto a decent team and they said im on the team until the end of progression before they will consider kicking or promotion
so now I get to practice big boy progression
oak sky
good for you
glass tulip
just gotta not suck and get benched early
oak sky
i'm sure you wont
viscid spear
My logs are weird now 
eternal turtle
How come when I look through some top logs some people dont press SnD a single time during the fight?
wooden perch
ur not supposed to ever press snd
viscid spear
Press it more than once, they mean
eternal turtle
hmm just weird it doesnt show up in their buffs at all
guess it doesnt track it if they like mfd snd before pull
wooden perch
ye or if the deathly shadows
viscid spear
You hit it on the opener and Cut to the Chase keeps it up
earnest remnant
doubt
green ledge
deathly shadows in #assassination ?
earnest remnant
considering it doesent work on assa
green ledge
like stealthy says, doubt
solid venture
most likely mfd snd prepull
eternal turtle
yeah kinda odd it doesnt show up on their buff uptime at all but that must be it ye
wooden perch
which conduits would u run in m+ as assa necro?
between katar,lethal poison and fractures?
viscid spear
Just run WPS instead of Katar, it's not a huge deal
wooden perch
why would i do that
viscid spear
Why not?
viscid spear
How often do you FoK?
Also the conduit isn't great, it only increases FoK's damage as the ilvl increases, and the crit chance stays at 5%
viscid spear
At max rank the conduit would be 20% more damage but still 5% higher crit chance.
If you want to run it It's fine, but it's such a miniscule difference
red plaza
yeah kinda odd it doesnt show up on their buff uptime at all but that must be it...
Link to a log that doesn’t show this? I pulled up 5 random top logs and they all have it showing in buffs
nova flax
CT
🙂
Rupture like 4 of em
Garrote on CD
Then keep envenom buff up as much as possible
But never drop CT
sudden hound
you rupture anything that lives for most of the duration
nova flax
Depends on if ur running dashing or zoldyck
Dashing 100% wanna keep envenom up as much as possible
sudden hound
dashing is a meme in keys. if youre venth you play obed if youre anything else you play zold
nova flax
Zold kinda sussy for low keys imo. Sucks if shit dies too fast.
Anything under 26 i wouldnt run zold. It all melts
nova flax
I just run TTB always and call it a day
glass tulip
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GhLK92M1WcZzwkpX#fight=50&type=auras&source...
They also rupture outside of flag in the opener so I just generally would ignore this guy lol
Especially since it's @limber lion
limber lion
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GhLK92M1WcZzwkpX#fight=50&type=auras&source...
That's because I use Slice and Dice before pulling the boss. Unfortunately if you use SnD before the boss, the log doesn't know how to show it so it just doesn't show it at all.
But just know that I used MFD 20 seconda before pulling and Slice and Dice 5 seconds before pulling.
versed mica
@balmy condor is there any reason why the Full HTML Reports for the tier set sims for dusk ST have venthyr/NF using subterfuge and have kyrian/necro using MA?
limber lion
Only works with longer pull timers, wouldn't work with a 10 second pull timer.
glass tulip
Oh my were you doing the stupid jar cheese
wooden perch
jesus christ assa is so much work in keys
winter vapor
@wooden perch yup, but some of us like it, or just are too stubborn to try and learn something easier
glass tulip
CT go brr
upper elm
Ceverion i scrolled through your Guardian log and you did mut/mut/rupture into mut/mut/gar Is there any special reason behind doing gar that late?
limber lion
For alacrity stacks
I might've, but what matters more is the usage of mfd/slice. The alacrity jank is very minimal and doesn't really do much :p
glass tulip
smh my head, but good point
wooden perch
@winter vapor i mean the concept is cool
and its interesting but just seems so hard for no reward
but then if it becomes bis for next tier in keys its useful i learn it now
limber lion
Ceverion i scrolled through your Guardian log and you did mut/mut/rupture into m...
I think you're misunderstanding mutilate because of how it shows up twice on logs. I simply did Mutilate - Rupture - Mutilate - Garrote.
Every Mutilate shows up twice because both hands attack, so for whatever reason the log wants to show it twice.
upper elm
Oh Good Point ok thx for clarification
limber lion
No worries :)
winter vapor
@wooden perch it does become a little easier over time - one thing that may help is getting a bleed tracker you can reference now and again. Personally I enjoy the playstyle but it is a fair bit to keep track of - but then I never learnt outlaw and apparently suck at sub so, here we are ^^
upper elm
And if the first mut didnt crit you would do mut mut rupture garote?
Or is it always mut rupture mut garote
wooden perch
@winter vapor trust me sub and outlaw have a quick learning curve
if u learned assa u can easily learn those 2
limber lion
And if the first mut didnt crit you would do mut mut rupture garote?
It will always crit because I have over 50% crit baseline and master assassin gives me another 50%
I would just do the normal opener without any cheese stuff if you can't get to 100% crit honestly
upper elm
Ah okay
winter vapor
tfw when your 5% non crit chance happens.... on both muti hits
limber lion
The normal muti - slice - muti -gar - flag - rup works fine
upper elm
And then use mfd inside Vendetta?
limber lion
Yes, as long as you're at 0 combo points and flag is ticking
Always save one mfd for flag
upper elm
Kk
empty hinge
Is the tricks of the trade podcast now or I 4 hours
drifting cloud
4h
viscid spear
brazen zodiac
I need a rogue buddy in my raid, but he has to be worse than me so I can keep eg...
yes mav is right take me and ill make sure the whole world knows ur the best rogue
second to cev of course....... :O
coral forge
new to rouge but considering it for 9.2 i like assasination the best and im wondering as we prep for 9.2 what legos are people considering that will go well with the tier set and double lego? and is venthyr still gonna be king in 9.2 or are people trying other covs?
balmy condor
new to rouge but considering it for 9.2 i like assasination the best and im wond...
venth/fae, duskwalkers
but it doesn't make much sense crafting legendaries to "prep"
since you have to craft new tiers of legendaries anyway
the covenant legendary is an entirely new memory we don't have access to right now
coral forge
yea right now im running venthyr and doomblade so would it be a good idea to just get my fae renown to 80 then?
balmy condor
yeah that's about the only prep you can do currently
just getting a good base ilvl, as good gear as you can, conduit upgrades, that kind of stuff
and getting renown on the covenants you might play
coral forge
gotcha, and out of curiosity what makes duskwalkers good with 9.2? vs like dashing and doomblade?
subtle kiln
this is a good week to farm upper reaches for renown. comp stomp is in a week or two as well.
gusty mirage
4pc is tied to vendetta, more vendetta = good
coral forge
sorry like i said very new to rouge i main a bm hunter and havoc dh
coral forge
4pc is tied to vendetta, more vendetta = good
gotcha that makes sense
gusty mirage
if the 4pc wasn't caked into vendetta, dusk would still be irrelevant
because typically desyncing our CDs is jank af
coral forge
gotcha yea so far ive been enjoying rouge just trying to play something diffrent from what i normally play but i hate casters
and what's the general idea behind why fae might be good?
subtle kiln
assa is the opposite of DH when it comes to APM. so depending on what speed of gameplay you enjoy,consider that.
balmy condor
sepsis do damage with the 2 piece
coral forge
assa is the opposite of DH when it comes to APM. so depending on what speed of g...
gotcha yea ive been enjoying it a bit more to be honest and pvp is a bit more fun on the rouge than the dh
subtle kiln
usually suggest asking yourself if it will get dull after a month of raiding.
coral forge
still doing prog on the bm hunter at the moment so i cant imagine it can be more dull than that'
subtle kiln
and not that it should matter, is your guild ok losing dh
coral forge
im on the hunter more recently since we recruited 2 dhs a few weeks back
subtle kiln
gotcha
coral forge
thanks!
slow marsh
we aren't degens yet
gusty mirage
we aren't degens yet
no but you are
slow marsh
tru
gusty mirage
kyrian assassination boy
slow marsh
smh kyrian
gusty mirage
slow marsh
i'll have you know i only messed around with kyrian sin once on ptr
median silo
that's 3 too many
gusty mirage
slow marsh
i wanted to see how the animacharged rups felt in vend
turns out you just refresh 3 seconds later and it's the same exact thing but less dam cuz you're kyrian
subtle kiln
welcome to the degen club
I prefer smooth brained
nocturne geode
thought id never see whispyr giving into the fae
@slow marsh am i dreaming
is this real lyfe
slow marsh
yeah it is
subtle kiln
he doesn’t have to play MFD. it’s actually a win for him.
gusty mirage
we here at the church of ep/ds welcome our new fae overlords
subtle kiln
eventually you all will learn to love soulshape
nocturne geode
wow man im impressed after all the ban threats i recieved for spreading the word of fae early on
i did turn out to be the prophet
xD
nocturne geode
haha
slow marsh
iceblades will be the first to go if anyone
first to go off to ascension ?
gusty mirage
first to go off to ascension ?
slow marsh
👼
nocturne geode
stepsis
viscid spear
bronze pike
<a:frogstab:611113534692261923>
hes using sepsis
subtle rapids
ive never played assassin before, does it compare to afflic in m+ where you have to constantly worry about spreading bleeds?
balmy condor
ive never played assassin before, does it compare to afflic in m+ where you have...
Kinda yeah
subtle rapids
jikes, but in raid settings its more straight forward, just bleeds on boss?
balmy condor
Pretty much
Sin in single target is slow, but we rely on our bleeds for energy regen
viscid spear
If there are long-living adds it's worth slapping bleeds on it
balmy condor
So in aoe you’re trying to spread bleeds around for the resources alongside the damage
viscid spear
For the energy regen
balmy condor
Which is where that affliction-esque gameplay comes in
subtle rapids
oh interesting, what gives energy per bleed tics?
subtle rapids
cool
balmy condor
You basically go from starved to drowning in energy as you go from 1 target to like 5
Ct does not give energy
viscid spear
So just those two then
viscid spear
Define tons
subtle rapids
well im exaggerating based on a youtube video i saw 🙂
viscid spear
nocturne geode
viscid spear
Get back down in your hole, treehugger
I'm kidding, ilu 
I just don't like your stepsis 
balmy condor
well im exaggerating based on a youtube video i saw 🙂
YouTuber talking about sin scaling with gear?
subtle rapids
with haste
balmy condor
Who are they, I just wanna take them out back
I mean have a chat
Expansion-wide gear scaling is a thing, but saying that because we go up 60 ilvl or whatever the haste levels insane Assassination rising unbelievable damage the speed the energy the power so good no specs scale like this crazy hidden tech
Been one of my pet peeves stomping out of the community for the last couple years
Because it’s just stupid to think that it matters
With so much borrowed power and balancing that happens patch to week, week to week even with hotfixes
Ain’t nobody gonna care about the 20 dps sin gains over other specs with 30 ilvl
keen mist
@balmy condor i think you scale good
thorny pond
My scale says "fat"
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> i think you scale good
thanks I work out, all those skittles aren't gonna eat themselves
subtle trout
best covenant so far for assassination in 9.2?
dawn ivy
best covenant so far for assassination in 9.2?
venthyr for the most part, NF is lurking on the sidelines waiting for new sims
NF might end up beating out Venthyr depending on a few small changes
echo geyser
soulshape waiting room
thorny pond
weighting room*
vestal wren
<:happy_holiday_pepe:908087276544876574> soulshape waiting room
toxic enjoyer 😛
echo geyser
pallid bough
Who are they, I just wanna take them out back
Take them out back to have a chat obviously
hexed frost
Killed guarding but with EP/Vigor instead of BS/DS. idk why i was pull 1.5K lower DPS with BS/DS.
But i hate rng on crit/frost so much. 327K frost dmg on the kill but 362K on previous pulls. Was kept hanging at 9.9K damage
echo geyser
Welcome
balmy condor
upper reaches is the fast one?