assassination

[spice spire]

Cooldown wise

[balmy condor]

Ye

That’s it

[spice spire]

Thanks papi

[balmy condor]

Kind of impossible to sim it properly based on our cooldown apl tho

[spice spire]

Ye - seems a bit sketch number wise

[thorny pond]

Just add big dam

[gusty mirage]

big_dam=1

[urban heart]

guys, do u think nf leggendary is good for somethings?

[gusty mirage]

No

[urban heart]

nice

[gusty mirage]

It just sucks for assassination

And is very underwhelming in general

[urban heart]

oh okay

thx

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

What's KA?

[gusty mirage]

Kindred affinity

Druid simping aka Kyrian druids

[viscid spear]

Oh, I haven't gotten that on any of my characters in forever

Or at least didn't notice

[spice spire]

It’s very good for assassination

It’s like 1-1.5k free damage

It’s pretty dumb

[hollow river]

I might be getting PI and KA tonight

For our Sylvanas KILL BOYS

[thorny pond]

TFW your boomkin has to go Kyrian to simp you

[viscid spear]

We have Venthyr Boomies

[hollow river]

We have 2 Venthyr boomies

And a Druid tank

[thorny pond]

lot of Guardians run it, or kind restos

[hollow river]

We’re trying to skip second knives on plat 4

Somehow we’re phasing into p3 at 75% and we’re still behind going into plat 4

[thorny pond]

People need to do better about mechanic timings

[hollow river]

Yep

[thorny pond]

If people are sending CDs during veil, raze... etc

[hollow river]

We’ve addressed 3 people or 4

Sending CDs before veils and shit

.....

One person was completely missing a 2 minute

They were using on plat 1 and holding for lust

[thorny pond]

Yep. You gotta go in and know your timings. No excuses this far in esp since every spec has many kill logs now

[hollow river]

Yep

And we’ve pulled it over 550

[viscid spear]

Wow, was running Dashing in that Mists key

[thorny pond]

jfc

[hollow river]

Literally 0 excuse

[thorny pond]

550 pulls?

[hollow river]

Yes

[thorny pond]

why

how

[hollow river]

Option

[toxic quail]

NoTrickz come on bro, i believe

[hollow river]

Don’t do it bro

[toxic quail]

HHAHAHAHA

[hollow river]

Miss me with your copium

[toxic quail]

he seen me typing im dead

hahaha ily bro, but just kill it

[hollow river]

I appreciate your copium

[toxic quail]

let me come help

im off for 2 weeks

[hollow river]

I’m getting PI and KA tonight bro

[thorny pond]

Trickz got half a raid still using xperl smh

[hollow river]

She fucking dies

[toxic quail]

if you need me tonight send the invite

its dead on my screen

[hollow river]

If you’re serious maybe

[slow marsh]

He says that

[hollow river]

Blades wanted in yesterday

We have 2 more post ours today

[thorny pond]

I can be an assassin for hire

[toxic quail]

yeah super serious, you can get all the externals, just tell them keep me left side both times and the rest i can work out

[hollow river]

Both kissing different 1hr of raid

[toxic quail]

ez fight

[hollow river]

I’m left both times

So it wouldn’t work

I don’t think

[toxic quail]

ive only ever been left in my kills so i dont even wanna view the right side

[hollow river]

Yeah I feel

[toxic quail]

of course itll work, me and our other rogue both go left

both times

[hollow river]

Our demo comes left

[toxic quail]

so does ours, and arcane mage

[hollow river]

Let me run it by them

[toxic quail]

we got the power left side bro

[hollow river]

They’re apprehensive of bringing someone in they don’t know

[toxic quail]

so like left side is Guardian Druid, Holy Pala, Mistweaver, 2 Ass Rogues, Demo Lock, and Arcane Mage,

yeah im with you, im just here to help if need be

[hollow river]

Our arcane goes left/right

[toxic quail]

you the boy

[hollow river]

Iirc

Idk man I’ll ask and see

[toxic quail]

Goodoption#1814

add me whenever

[hollow river]

Kk

I’ll be on shortly

Raid isn’t for like 6.5 hr tho

[toxic quail]

if they say no dont feel bad, im literally just chillin this week and next so im trying to help friends get CE if i can

[gusty mirage]

Arcane mage

[hollow river]

I mean with your boss dam

We’d probably skip last knives

[viscid spear]

Wait you guys have raid members that actually research the fights beforehand instead of waiting for the explanation just before the boss and winging it?

[hollow river]

Btw option

[toxic quail]

oh no shot, most my raid goes in blind, but we learn fast.

[hollow river]

45.3% last night

[spice spire]

She dies tonight mr. notrickz

I except my ping

[toxic quail]

we went over Sylv a lot and every one just said we dont understand and started pulling it and killed it at 145 pulls

[hollow river]

We literally would’ve gotten the kill twice last night

But as usual 1 person inting causes a wipe

[spice spire]

After weekend even months of pain. I expect to see it

[toxic quail]

dude you can literally taste her dead body bro

[gusty mirage]

[toxic quail]

she dies tonight

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

She doesn’t actually die

[spice spire]

Mr. good option unsure about that combination of words

[gusty mirage]

Spoiler alert

[hollow river]

Not missing our fire mage if he’s running late

[spice spire]

She actually undies

Unlucky

[toxic quail]

hahahahah yeah it was kinda sus

im sorry boys

[hollow river]

And missing our UH DK when he leaves 1 he early

[spice spire]

Un-dies

You’re good

It’s a meme

[subtle tundra]

can i drop that goddamn vault trinket already im in shambles

[gusty mirage]

You’re a meme

[spice spire]

True

You seen my parses

[gusty mirage]

How many runs, new best friend?

[spice spire]

Meme worthy

Damn

[subtle tundra]

not enough apparently

[spice spire]

Best friend #3

[gusty mirage]

True

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

Have you hit the 15 in one day that makes you want to uninstall yet?

[subtle tundra]

if i had amp i wouldnt care, but im pretty sure im the only one in the guild who doesnt have it

[gusty mirage]

150 deeps is kinda huge though

[subtle tundra]

i care more about m+

where they are kinda equal

[bleak sky]

no amp wtf

[gusty mirage]

150 deeps isn’t worth the mental anguish I went through though

[slow marsh]

Tru

You're actually balding now from it

[bleak sky]

no ampp is giga unlucky as well

[subtle tundra]

when amp drops and it goes to raid loggers

[gusty mirage]

Nah fam beautiful head of hair here

[subtle tundra]

cba

[gusty mirage]

That’s actually toxic af

[slow marsh]

Who said head

[gusty mirage]

We had a monk keep his over me and 2 DHs in my last guild

[bleak sky]

wtf

it's not even good for them

[gusty mirage]

I know

[bleak sky]

that's just griefing lol

[spice spire]

But loot

[slow marsh]

The real reasons why he left

[bleak sky]

green class 😠

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay they finally recleared, happy for them

[bleak sky]

big madge at green class

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Took them 3 weeks of extending

One of the few people that still like me in the guild got the mount and the ows, you love to see it

[slow marsh]

I love to see you

[subtle tundra]

life is a lamborghini

[slow marsh]

Really overpriced?

[subtle tundra]

idk what i was trying to say

i forgot 💀

[balmy condor]

💀

[tame stump]

Thank you!

[spice spire]

Any time, have a great one

[hollow river]

sent

[random fossil]

Hey guys, just wanted to wish you all happy holidays. Discord is filled with ready-made messages that you don't even read, you just copy and paste to every server, I don't like that, I like writing from my heart. Our friendship, from the deepest to virtual, is very important to me and couldn't ever be represented by a cookie-cutter message from anywhere. So, I'd like to thank you all, you're the best furry roleplaying server I've ever interacted with.

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

awww thanksies

lets erp later 😉

[spice spire]

Th-that stands for extreme raid progression right

[subtle tundra]

yesssssss we go lfr for an audience

[bleak sky]

get those determination stacks

[spice spire]

Omw my way

[viscid spear]

idk how the hell Details works

I'm trying to look at logs from a ToP my Mage did and it's heckin confuse

[spice spire]

How so?

I might be able to help

[limber lion]

Details and logs are not the same thing, quite far from it actually.

[balmy condor]

[hasty siren]

Does vendetta snapshot subterfurge garrottes?

[limber lion]

What do you mean by that?

[hasty siren]

So do i need to vanish and reappaly garrotte before vendetta falls off if i an running sub?

[twilit lagoon]

How does details handle parsing? I've noticed my numbers in details are a lot higher than what I get from logs.

[limber lion]

No, Vendetta increases our damage dynamically.

[hasty siren]

TY

[limber lion]

Not sure, but they definitely work differently. Details pulls the information actively during the fight, whereas Warcraftlogs just takes Blizzard's combat log after the encounters and makes them readable and pretty.

[thorny pond]

From what I understand, details uses events from units in-game whereas WCL uses the advanced combat log

[twilit lagoon]

Which is more accurate in the end?

[thorny pond]

that's why details is instant and WCL needs to import

[limber lion]

Logs are always more accurate.

[thorny pond]

WCL

[twilit lagoon]

Ok

[thorny pond]

details is still limited by range

[twilit lagoon]

Ok, I was wondering about that.

[thorny pond]

if the unit is too far, it will not capture that

[limber lion]

That's why PTR testing is also always done with logs.

[thorny pond]

details offers a great summary but like all summaries, something gets left out

[twilit lagoon]

Makes sense

I gotta say I've only been in the server for less a day and y'all have been super helpful. I definitely appreciate it.

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Approaching fast

[viscid spear]

I've learned a lot

Went from to

[balmy condor]

to

[spice spire]

Thanks for using my progress, whispyr! Appreciate it

[bleak sky]

if whispyr is dent I don't know what I am

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty fucking stupid

[bleak sky]

stupid cute

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

😳

[twilit lagoon]

That's what I was hoping for when I joined. I felt like I was a decent rogue but the last few runs I did for ksm were eye opening.

[bleak sky]

wait this emoji on disc looks bad

[limber lion]

You say that, but I just used my hearthstone which is linked to Heart of the Forest, in Heart of the Forest.

[bleak sky]

3 steps ahead of the meta

[spice spire]

You say that, but you’re literally NF rn

[polar cape]

Best cov obviously

[limber lion]

Best covenant for a Feral Druid

:')

[spice spire]

I GOT FUCKING BAITED

Oh no

[bleak sky]

9.2 drops
venthyr is meta
9.2.5 drops -> flag now grants 0.2% vers per stack up to 30 stacks -> we all go night fae

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

sepsis conduit buffed by 5000% again

[twilit lagoon]

Or using hearthstone to covenant from oribos, then clicking portal to oribos and realizing you needed to be in covenant. That's a frequent occurrence here.

[marble hemlock]

What is going on with all these names

There's only one true Oxi, and hes green now. Shitty imposters.

[spice spire]

Nah I’m garbage can oxi

For sure

I’m like the oxi that was thrown out for being out of date, just for a homeless gentleman to use me as a urinal kinda beat

[limber swallow]

does this work?

[ember mural]

bro?

[spice spire]

Yeah bro?

[bleak sky]

Seli is right, changed it

[spice spire]

Oh

[bleak sky]

Might have gotten inspiration from someone else, idk who tho

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-eagle-weirdos-the-muppets-ugh-group-gif-9466453

[limber swallow]

this is about to get really f-ing confusing

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

hi im varas

[slow marsh]

Haha bunch of weirdos

[glass tulip]

honey badger oxi

[spice spire]

Typography oxi

[spice spire]

ERP Oxi

[glass tulip]

I cant get over how well that santa hat is photshopped on the badger

looks so nice

[slow marsh]

Just kidding now I'm a weirdo too

[subtle tundra]

[glass tulip]

EU my bad, what I meant was:
oi bruv dat cheeky badga be lookin migh'y fine innit in his ol st nick hat

[subtle tundra]

[slow marsh]

Does anyone want to play Fortnite with me?

[limber swallow]

[spice spire]

#off-topic is where I’d suggest you go, but last time you were there you were told you have cancer

So go off I guess

[subtle tundra]

wtf

toxic

[timid cloud]

What is the fucking matter with you?

Why are you like this?

[spice spire]

That was @ iceblades

[subtle tundra]

blame me mom and my nationality i guess

[slow marsh]

Tru

[timid cloud]

Not y ou.

I already know there's something wrong with you.

[subtle tundra]

oh yea, i know but i like pretending to be stupid

"pretending"

ahahaha just a joke guys

[timid cloud]

Playing sub.

[subtle tundra]

🥲

[slow marsh]

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

[slow marsh]

Is Cev feeling left out

[spice spire]

I REALIZE HOW MY STATEMENT LOOKS BUT IT WAS FACTUAL.

Anyway - succumbing to venthyr overlords when?

[arctic walrus]

i would never allow this in my channel

[slow marsh]

I mean it's a factual statement

[spice spire]

I’m sorry Mr, Vel. I fear you were AFK at the time, if you need evidence of such behavior, I can submit to you.

[bleak sky]

he's got the screenshots

[spice spire]

The vault contains all mr. minalba

Never doubt my power

But also you could scroll up like an hour and a half ago

[twilit lagoon]

Is it still possible to get the legion keystones? I don't seem to have one in my bag and the trader doesn't want to give me one.

[limber swallow]

the trader in oribos? If you don't have one, just go complete a legion mythic dungeon on 0 or higher and you'll get one

[twilit lagoon]

ok

[gusty mirage]

drop quest

and grab it again

it'll give you the keystone

[twilit lagoon]

Awesome

Oh gosh it gave me a 16. I wasn't prepared for that.

[limber swallow]

you can always drop it down

same guy who lowers normal keystones

[limber lion]

Legion keystones

perma +2's

[subtle tundra]

no, cause lowering from +29 to +2 takes 20 years

[red plaza]

Using the vendor in Oribos? Isn’t it just a couple of chat boxes?

[twilit lagoon]

Yeah

[drifting cloud]

🧑‍🌾

[twilit lagoon]

I've been venth on this rogue since I started, but I primarily run m+. Is it worth getting necro going? I've never actually used the necro power as a rogue since I leveled with fates.

[balmy condor]

I mean it might be worth as an overall damage thing

or just to have as an option

but generally no

you wouldn't really play necro next patch unless they fix the bugs or buff it a ton

[slow marsh]

if you are cracked and can play it well and only care about overall and not playing to your strengths it's good but yeah what whisp said

[twilit lagoon]

Gotcha. Venth it is.

[slow marsh]

really they need to make deathspike refund on the split targets

for it to even be in the conversation

or if they made emeni buff stack on itself it could maybe be good. there's lots of tweaks they could do to make it nice but idk if they'll have time or even care

[arctic hare]

Welp, just pulled 9.1k overall in a mists, which is the highest I've ever pulled overall...

So thats nice

[limber lion]

Grats!

[twilit lagoon]

Nice!

I just hit 7.2 in a mists. Was pretty happy about that.

[arctic hare]

I love how switching to necrolord made a 2k dps overall difference

[drifting cosmos]

whats the key lvl

[arctic hare]

It was a 16 mists

[drifting cosmos]

necro is very good on trash packs, lots of cp

[arctic hare]

Yeah

It also seems to make the rotation feel so much fuller in AOE

[drifting cosmos]

until you meet some frost mage in trash packs, all dont matter then lol

[arctic hare]

Lol

My friend was telling me about a key they were carrying for gold last night, and a monk did 16k overall, like, what the crap lol

[drifting cosmos]

yea or that

[slow marsh]

monks slap. there's a reason people meme about them in keys so much

[timid cloud]

Just don't ask them to single target.

Actual tank damage.

[atomic saddle]

yo is it better to grind torghast for leveling as assa or outlaw, or doesnt matter?

[echo geyser]

probably sub

if u mean renown farm by "leveling"

[atomic saddle]

nono i mean actual leveling

[echo geyser]

ah no clue, i guess sin/sub cause they have leech/healing talents

[arctic hare]

Can't remember, is faulty countermeasure still good?

[slow marsh]

Yes it's bis

[slow marsh]

I would do torg as sub. they get better powers imo

[gusty mirage]

this man is legit stealing my identity

[echo geyser]

[drifting cloud]

hes even got your title

[gusty mirage]

my father always raised me to be the best at what I do, so I decided to be the best at being trash

[arctic hare]

Hmm, what about the autoattack ring? that great too?

[gusty mirage]

yes

outsims my 252 bloodoath signet for me

[arctic hare]

oh god

oh YES

auto attack damage by 36?

is it really that friggin major?

I guess its time to research court of stars and make sure I'm good at it

same for Warden

[gusty mirage]

only last boss is tricky in court

everything else is pretty straight forward

[tame edge]

In mobs, do you apply all dot into one add or do you apply a dot and then move around to the next and keep going?

[gusty mirage]

like in m+?

[tame edge]

yeah

[arctic hare]

Good to know, any major mechanics I need to watch out for?

[gusty mirage]

if you're playing subt/vigor, you'd open 4x garrotes into a crimson tempest then use fan of knives as a builder to put up slice and dice, spread ruptures, keep up crimson tempest dot, and use envenom to keep up slice and dice.

[gusty mirage]

he does an ability that's essentially a bunch of lines on the ground (that are gray on a grayish floor, thanks blizzard) that you avoid and this aoe pulsing ability that does more damage the closer you are to him/his clones

[arctic hare]

Hmm, is that really it?

Hmm, it’ll be my first legion 15 m+ key,

Since those are the only court of stars available

What about VotW?

[gusty mirage]

if you can get past the first boss everything else is doable

[arctic hare]

In Votw? Sweet.

I personally have a 15 darkheart thicket, and uh, nahhhh, I’d prefer not to do that one

[gusty mirage]

last boss is just find the opening in the wall

and you win

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage are you oxii? I can't tell because the name

[gusty mirage]

I could be

are my logs garbage?

then yes

[balmy condor]

big fan

[gusty mirage]

I was about to change my rogue's name to whispyrsimp

[balmy condor]

identify theft is no joke though stay safe

[slow marsh]

[arctic hare]

Fun, can't find a CoS

[arctic hare]

First run of s CoS

no ring, oh well

[steep torrent]

I heard that complaining for better sets and make our voce heard is important.
And when u get a good set, u just happy, but
Here we are literally begging for nerf "Will get nerfed it’s way too strong"
why we do this?
Alos, Assa burst dmg and aoe dmg is bad, so being a bit ahead in sigle trager not even a porblem..

[subtle tundra]

its not begging for nerf, its being realistic

a 25-30% dmg tier set is obviously not ok

also, its not about it being good or bad, thats just the numbers
its how interesting the effect is

if the tier set said "30% increased dmg" i would be upset

[slow marsh]

we're not boomkins bro. we keep it real

[gusty mirage]

because mathematically its too strong

that's why

[balmy condor]

we were told that it was going to get nerfed, and we were told what the budget should be

there's a difference between "begging for nerfs" which you apparently think is happening for some strange conspiracy theory reason

and trying to assess the situation logically, and provide info and expectations to people

assassination also will not have aoe damage

that's not how sin is designed

the same way outlaw doesn't have good aoe

because that's how outlaw is designed

the burst damage is more than fine though

not sure why that's a concern

but yeah

[zenith wren]

My fetish is to play a class that is nerfed so bad to the ground that you need to struggle hard and play out of your mind just to outdps the tanks

Oh wait this isn’t survival hunter chat

[slow marsh]

surv is actually tuned really well right now

[subtle tundra]

cap

[slow marsh]

nobody plays it at a high level because why when you have marks and bm

for surv to get actual play it would have to be really overtuned

[balmy condor]

idk people have this weird idea in their heads that 'knowing when something is too strong' is the same as 'begging for nerfs'.

As if there's rogues out there wanting to be weaker or something

it's the most confusing take I've seen

and it's gotten more and more common the last 2 patches

[subtle tundra]

ok if im the worst class in the game and i outdps others

then i can OMEGAFLEX

and make them cry hopefully

[slow marsh]

[balmy condor]

all 3 rogues specs are really good right now

[slow marsh]

people really do be like that tho

[subtle tundra]

even if those others are tanks

[balmy condor]

minus maybe sin at the highest levels of m+

[subtle tundra]

wtf?

wtf

[balmy condor]

and people are like

YO WHY YOU ASK FOR NERFS

[subtle tundra]

say cap

[zenith wren]

Monk single target definition

[subtle tundra]

fuck monks they deserve bad dps

[balmy condor]

sorry who are you? I only converse with 3k io sin rogues

[subtle tundra]

🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲

[gusty mirage]

hey I looked at your spreadsheet and I have no idea what any of this means

[balmy condor]

have you tried reading the labels

[gusty mirage]

whats a reading

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[gusty mirage]

plus the dslice apl is wrong, it's not fan of knivesing in ST

[arctic walrus]

explain the "random stuff" tab to me

NOW

[subtle tundra]

if i play doomblade, do i fok or mut on 4T?

genuine question

[gusty mirage]

yes

still fok

[subtle tundra]

cause i play db in top recently

epic

[balmy condor]

I would like to speak to the "random stuff" manager

[brazen zodiac]

hi whisopryr

[arctic walrus]

[brazen zodiac]

i heope ur day wnt well

[balmy condor]

ty it did

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[subtle tundra]

why does it say i need slg back when i have legendary there??

wtf

😐

[balmy condor]

[arctic walrus]

[spice spire]

Very based mr. varas. It is I, the DB top trendsetter Makeitquake.
But also yeah, just fok

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

🤨

[twilit lagoon]

My m+ group has a sv hunter in it and he loves it. The playstyle is great for him and he usually parses well.

[oak sky]

[compact trench]

Quick question why is Decanter of endless howling not a good trinket for rogues?

[balmy condor]

not enough agi on the proc

or not long enough

or not enough proc rate

proc bad

[compact trench]

Ok so is that why the recent grab of faulty countermeasure from legion timewalking beats it out?

just because you get more out of it in the 30 second up time?

[arctic walrus]

you're playing a video game at the expense of 1s and 0s. It is just how it is. proc rate bad on decanter, damage doesn't make up for it. bing bong countermeasure now good

[balmy condor]

countermeasure effect is good

[twilit hollow]

it is if you can loot it somewhere inside 100 vault runs before your mental goes boom

[versed mica]

just loot it

its that easy, wtf u doin???

[limber lion]

[twilit hollow]

I've tried, i am cursed

[timid cloud]

Crit good

Effect good

Item good even if low

Me see big number

[viscid spear]

What's this about a spreadsheet?

Nvm I see it

[arctic hare]

Spreaaaaadshseeeeet

Whoa

Fae is simming better, weeeeeiiiird

[golden basalt]

@limber lion playing Fae 9.2 would you start actually using ambush from sepsis or is mut still better even in the scenario without frost set?

sorry for the @

curious ❤️

[limber lion]

The frost set has nothing to do with Mut/Ambush. It's been like that since 9.0. But I mean, it could pull through, but I doubt it because Mutilate is still more DPE efficient than Ambush

And no worries, you can always @ me :')

[golden basalt]

aight, I figured it was due to mut being technically two seperate attacks meaning more crits and in combination with higher potential CP gain it pulled through even though it was lower initial dmg

[limber lion]

Yeah, more combo points translate to more damage from other spurces, higher envenom uptime, higher ep uptime etc.

Buuut it's very minimal either way

I can definitely see Ambush seeing play on certain conditions

Like if you have 2 combo points already

[golden basalt]

to me ambush is such an iconic spell, doesnt feel right not using it, partially what makes me love playing BS

yea

[limber lion]

But at 0-1CP Mutilate is generally better

[golden basalt]

its very conditional then it seems, but at least more so than 9.1

[limber lion]

Because there's a chance you only have to Muti to finish

But with Ambush you always need a second generator after it

Except at 2CP

But yeh, it can see some play but we're talking about 3-8 ambush casts per fight

Which is very much whatever

[golden basalt]

lowkey want BS to be made baseline just for the sake of making ambush an actual ability to press every now and then

[limber lion]

Yeh, Blindside is only good because the Ambush is free whereas for Sepsis it isn't.

We won't be playing BS ever again in Shadowlands though with our energy regen

BS works better with lower energy regen

[golden basalt]

Nah i figured, free CP with no energy cost is just really nice

Oh right

keep forgetting sepsis only enables its usual cast

[limber lion]

Yeh, Sepsis is pretty lackluster

[vast forum]

Stepsis > sepsis

[marble hemlock]

You get a free ambush with stepsis or why is it better?

[vast forum]

If she's stuck in the washing machine, you can ambush her, ye

[golden basalt]

Unless stuck then it’s coinflip

[arctic hare]

Lol

[viscid schooner]

Lol a dh was telling in a pug it was his 30st run to get it.. my second one and boom i looted it and according to him it was unfair haha

[thorny pond]

Typical

[drifting cosmos]

how much dps you need for mage tower

lot of stuff is going in, feels hard to keep everything up

[winter vapor]

think whispyrs vid said about 9 -> 1.1k?

[drifting cosmos]

hmm i see

missing 200-300, need to see some vids

[winter vapor]

I had some better tries last night - to echo advice i've been getting

keep bleeds up

avoid the shitty boomerang axes

(feint helps)

[drifting cosmos]

and something keeps knocking me away

[winter vapor]

and use consumes

its Sigrid, has a charge

minimal dmg but annoying yes

[drifting cosmos]

do you kill them in a specific order

?

[winter vapor]

they share a HP pool

[drifting cosmos]

oh rip

[winter vapor]

but have different amounts so one does die I believe ( not done it yet)

[drifting cosmos]

thought if i can get one of them first would be a lot easier lol

[winter vapor]

its why CT is a good call - quite a bit of DPS

[drifting cosmos]

at least fight is not long, like 5-6 mins before hard enrage?

[winter vapor]

yeah around there

[drifting cosmos]

guess have to study it a bit this time around, in legion just cheesed with gears

[winter vapor]

its new to me tbh, but I made some progress last night so, keep at it bud

[drifting cosmos]

yea i just started it

was busy last couple of weeks

[limber lion]

Yeah you should be around 1.1-1.3k dps in the beginning and most of the fight. Falling below 1k is fine dps wise, but definitely makes it quite a bit harder

You cannot kill it with just 700 dps.

Just keep all bleeds (gar, rup, ct) up on everyone and press shiv/vend on cooldown and you're solid.

[burnt latch]

I found the biggest thing is if u have to keep one of the boys blinded for the duration of his buff multiple times u tend to fall behind on the dps check

As long as u have all 3 to keep dots up on the whole fight u kinda chilling

[void carbon]

what are the bis trinkets from Legion M+

[strange python]

@void carbon the one from VotW is absolutely nutty, at 233 Simms higher then a M amplifier

[void carbon]

I was thinking Spiked Counterweight as ell

well

[strange python]

I run countermeasure and gland

But 252 vial and 246 countermeasure sim the highest

[void carbon]

It is Chaos Talisman or Tiny Oozeling in a jar

can you even get them at 252

[bleak sky]

Legion gear goes up to 246

[sturdy mesa]

Merry Christmas everyone

[viscid spear]

Merry Christmas Eve to my fellow 'Muricans 🇺🇸

[limber lion]

[obtuse robin]

merry xmas fellow gents and the multiple oxi's

[subtle tundra]

only #assassination deserves my merry christmas, so merry christmas

😳

[spice spire]

Merry chrimbus to you too mr. varas. And mr. black. And all of the homies

[solid venture]

merry chrysler

[bleak sky]

happy holidays friends

[viscid spear]

Mary Crispmiss

[slow marsh]

Merry Christmas to the homies

[gusty mirage]

Happy holidays fellow sin rogues, hope you have a wonderful and safe holiday season

[strange python]

Covid Omicron liked that message.

[real solar]

thx @gusty mirage

[bronze fiber]

is there any WA for the sin mage tower one

having a hard time remembering what to stun and stuff i do have a couple macros

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/H0S9XkEC4 this is the one I used

ignore the poorly placed |, it's supposed to come AFTER Fury

there's also this alternatively if cast bars are more your thing:
https://wago.io/KK7puPqzz

[limber lion]

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

[arctic hare]

Just got the Survivor's bag of coins

its friggin epic

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

it's fun to mess around with on a glider

[arctic hare]

Indeed

[echo geyser]

where can u use that?

[gusty mirage]

anywhere you can fly

but the coins reset when you hit a loading screen

[humble ginkgo]

[arctic hare]

Even despite that, its still ridiculously easy to get more

[viscid spear]

[pure mauve]

Hi im new as assa, which 1st leggo do you recommend me to craft?

[oak sky]

Kinda depends on what content youre doing

If you just raid then dashing scoundrel, if you just m+ obedience, if you do raid and m+ obedience

[pure mauve]

i'll do both for 9.2

[limber lion]

We want different legendaries for 9.2

Obedience is a safepick all around

[oak sky]

We craft obedience on a different slot in 9.2 as well

So prepping is kinda hard

[limber lion]

But do we?

[oak sky]

Yes

We literally do

[limber lion]

What makes you say that?

[oak sky]

Theres a belt legendary that changes based on your covenant

We've known this for months cev

[limber lion]

That's incorrect

We get a belt that has the legendary power attached

but you can use the runecarving power

on anything else

It's not tied to the belt only

They've said that months ago Agreon

You get the belt/runecarving power from the campaign

But you can craft it again or just stick to your old legendary

[spark scaffold]

Which pieces do the tier sets attach to?

[slow needle]

Are we sure about this? I have 0 faith that blizz won't code it that only their super special cov belt will be the one for the dual leggos.

[limber lion]

They've said so themselves.

It's not speculative.

[slow needle]

Oh good.

I missed that news.

[limber lion]

Also even if we did get a new runecarve power that only worked on a belt, it wouldn't change a thing

It's only for convenience sake

[oak sky]

I believe hat chest shoulders legs boots pick 4

But it might not be confirmed

[limber lion]

I think so too.

[slow needle]

Gloves as well. At least on PTR.

[oak sky]

Its gonna be 5 slots but you get 4/5

[limber lion]

I don't think the gloves actually give the set bonus

[oak sky]

Yeah they didnt on ptr

[limber lion]

They're part of the set, but only 5 items provide the bonus

Just as a confirmation in case you weren't sold on it yet

@oak sky

[slow needle]

Ah I'm misremembering.

[limber lion]

I stand corrected in saying that we can use our old legendary though

But we do not need to make it on a belt

:P

[oak sky]

It seems likely that we take the 4 pieces with best ilvl/stats then craft our leggos on the open slots

[spark scaffold]

Well we could be using head obe leggo for example in this case instead of back

[limber lion]

Cov Head, Duskwalkers ring

[spark scaffold]

Depends on mee item stats

[oak sky]

Yeah I mustve just misread or misinterpreted it

[spark scaffold]

New item*

[limber lion]

Yeh exactly

We don't know which slot is the best yet

Because we don't know what gear is dropped from the raid

[slow needle]

Belt seems like a pretty bad bet due to stat budget right? Depending on what 27x stuff there is.

[limber lion]

Helm is probably the best pick, unless there's a mythic helm from the last 2 bosses.

(If you're into mythic raiding that is)

[slow needle]

I want to be xD

[oak sky]

Should be equally likely to be helm/chest/legs right?

Well

I lied

Idk where the new runecarving power goes

Ig ur assuming its the same slots as obedience

[slow needle]

We'll likely find out in the first build of 2022

[oak sky]

Yeah

PauseChamp

[spark scaffold]

Do we even know our stat prio

Still crit haste?

Haste crit?

Mastery better?

[marble hemlock]

Nah. It'll depend on the itemization of the setpieces.

[oak sky]

I said that up a little

[marble hemlock]

well, its a mix basically

depends on the 5 slots we get the memory thingy

at the end of the day

[oak sky]

Yeah fair enough

[marble hemlock]

well craft obedience on whatever slot raidbots tells us to

[subtle tundra]

omg but sim craft is idiot

[bleak knoll]

Should I be using obedience instead of dashing scoundrel? I am venthyr, just went with the most commonly used legendary on warcraftlogs

[limber lion]

Dashing Scoundrel is good, just stick to it

[bleak knoll]

Ok, thanks!

[slow marsh]

Last 3 noob

JK ily

[limber lion]

You think the last 3 bosses drop higher ilvl loot?

[slow marsh]

I think they will because they're time gated but that's just my guess

I would even be down for a tin foil "anduin has higher ilvl" theory too

It's just gonna be weird if anduin is like any other CE boss but has regular mythic ilvl then having 2 bosses after that are supposedly harder that don't have higher ilvl

Before jailer

[limber lion]

Anduin and Jailer drop higher ilvl loot, the bosses in between those 2 don't

That's my guess

[pure mauve]

Hi guys is it possible to use rupture in the 3 garrote window of subterfurge?

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

[echo geyser]

u mean 4 globals in 3 sec?

if so no

[oak sky]

My first thought was all the last 4 would have higher ilvl but that would be a looooot of gear

[limber lion]

If you have 3+ targets, you should only be using garrotes, nothing else

[pure mauve]

so 1st use 3 garrotes and then use rupture?

[echo geyser]

yuh

[limber lion]

Yes

Or you probs want to prioritize Crimson Tempest

But yeh

Just garrote during Subterfuge

[oak sky]

In st rupture during the window wouldnt be a problem

[pure mauve]

thx!!

[limber lion]

:')

[slow marsh]

That'd be lit

[oak sky]

Idk

Im hoping the 2 between are both penultimate boss quality

It would feel sorta bad if they didnt give better loot

Ig we find out whenever loot is finalized

[tardy steppe]

is sin somewhat competitive in m+ or not anywhere near sub?

[dawn ivy]

not really competitive

but its good

[oak sky]

Like you can play it up to all but the very highest keys but its unlikely to be better than sub basically

[tardy steppe]

yeah i dont really go above 15-17 really but i would like to push a bit higher next patch

[dawn ivy]

both would do fine

[tardy steppe]

but i want to pvp aswell

[dawn ivy]

but i think sub is probably easier in a key sense

[oak sky]

Oh yeah ur super safe going sin at 15-17

Play whatever you enjoy more

Even pushing a good amount higher its fine

[tardy steppe]

yeah, sub rotation for aoe feels a bit dull to me tho

[normal mist]

Hello friends

Happy Christmas to yall rogues!

[hollow river]

Merry Christmas buddy

[noble light]

Hello :) I was wondering what legendary to craft for m+... every guide says different 😩 I'm Venthyr rogue

[glass tulip]

You can easily play assassin up to like +23-24, then you may start running into some resistance in terms of class strengths

[feral lantern]

yea where the what leggo to pick pins at?

[hollow river]

if only m+ use Zoldyck's

if m+ AND raid, Obedience

[noble light]

If Obedience is viable in m+ I'm going for it (playing sub from time to time)

[hollow river]

yeah that's a fine choice

[noble light]

Thanks <3

[hollow river]

sub also plays Obedience in keys if venthyr

[feral lantern]

dashing scoundel vs zoldyk in m+?

must be pretty close right

[hollow river]

no not really

zoldycks>dashing

dashing is more of a ST leggo

[arctic hare]

Switching to necrolord zoldyck in m+ made such a difference over obe

[balmy condor]

yeh it's not great

I tried it once and the bigger adds just didn't die

little painful

[arctic hare]

You mean obe?

Or dashing?

[balmy condor]

I mean going necro instead of venth obed

[arctic hare]

Ahh, yeah

As soon as I switched, my overall dps shot up by a thousand

[balmy condor]

[arctic hare]

Nearly 2k actually

[balmy condor]

then you're playing venth wrong

[arctic hare]

Oh yeah, i know

I guess I’m just more comfortable with necro in aoe somehow, despite the fact that I never played it at all in m+ before this week

[feral lantern]

what about the necro leggo in m+?

[balmy condor]

necro leggo is terrible

even if it weren't bugged, you wouldn't run it

[feral lantern]

really? thought it would pump

[arctic hare]

Oh wait, that still exists?

[balmy condor]

ye, it's still not refunding

[arctic hare]

Thats bull lol

[feral lantern]

lamo

we pay for this

[arctic hare]

Even worse, we’re going to have to use it

[balmy condor]

no you won't

cause you're never playing necro next patch

[arctic hare]

Since well, covenant double lego

[balmy condor]

[arctic hare]

Ouch

Not even in m+?

[balmy condor]

no

[arctic hare]

Wow

[balmy condor]

you don't even play necro in this patch

[arctic hare]

This is disappointing

Do we play the fae?

As according to your spreadsheets

[balmy condor]

venth, fae if you're a weirdo

[arctic hare]

lol, figured

What if deathspike got buffed?

[dawn ivy]

it could have 20 charges

[arctic hare]

Actually, I need to remember what the heck it does

[dawn ivy]

it needs to be reworked for it to be good

exactly

[arctic hare]

Wasn’t it 5 charges?

[balmy condor]

buffed to like..... do something?

[arctic hare]

Yeah, exactly that lol ^

[dawn ivy]

if it did literally anything for ST necro would be genuinely attractive

[balmy condor]

Well the problem is that anything you make it do is gonna be problematic cause flurry

The fact that sbs flurries makes it really strong on outlaw

That’s why deathspike got nerfed in the first place

One idea was to let sbs dots stack

To a max of like 3

Which I guess works balance wise

[subtle tundra]

once again, outlaw ruins the fun for other specs

[balmy condor]

But it’s still a mess

[slow marsh]

Sbs stacking still doesn't do anything for deathspike though

[balmy condor]

Well it would only stack with deathspike

[slow marsh]

Ah like a specific thing for deathspike

I see

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[pure mauve]

Noob question if i do rupture 1 sec b4 vendetta expires, the remaining rupute dot will do increased vendetta dmg or normal dmg?

[balmy condor]

Vendetta updates dynamically

[pure mauve]

i dont know what that means

[balmy condor]

The 4 piece snapshots like that though

For now

[balmy condor]

It means it’ll do 1 second of vend damage

And then normal damage

When vendetta expires, you lose the extra damage

[pure mauve]

Ohh so better use that combo points in envenom?

[dawn ivy]

correct

[balmy condor]

If it means rupture won’t drop

If rupture were to drop, you would refresh

[twilit lagoon]

I actually like vendetta being dynamic. Cooldown management would be annoying AF without that, IMHO.

I didn't know it was dynamic until I saw that here yesterday.

[balmy condor]

It’s about to not be with the 4 set next patch

[subtle tundra]

snapshotting 🥳

[balmy condor]

Snapshotting is dumb as hell

[subtle tundra]

ask a feral

[balmy condor]

Antiquated mechanic

[subtle tundra]

1 in 5 ferals say its the best mechanic in the game

[balmy condor]

Well yeah, 1 in 5 ferals would get kicked if it weren’t in the game

Math checks out

[subtle tundra]

the other 4 are unsubbed

[storm forum]

I love snapshotting, but I'm not sad about it not being a thing anymore if it means I don't need to make WAs for my proc trinkets

[thorny pond]

It has it's place. It was probably too OP at the time when they removed it but some here and there is fun and adds skill\

[arctic hare]

Used to play feral, snapshotting was shit

[nova flax]

Idk. I think it adds nuance and skill expression

[balmy condor]

Yeah for about 2 months until everyone figures it out and then it’s just Jank

[nova flax]

But then i can sound elitist when explaining the spec

So ppl think im actually intelligent

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[bleak sky]

I know we're in tyra week but

I've been tilted since last week about Rotspew, the green spit mob in NW before 3rd boss

how are we supposed to deal with his spits on fortfied? Cloak once, ok, feint doesn't work

and that spit oneshots almost

[balmy condor]

The spits? Like the stuff he puts on the ground?

You just take the hit and then move out of it

[bleak sky]

yeah yeah

but

it was basically oneshotting on 24

and idk what to do next week on 25

[balmy condor]

Idk we were doing a 23 earlier this week and it was fine

I don’t think I’ve ever thought about the spit honestly

We fucked up the 3rd boss tho

[bleak sky]

3rd boss

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Scary

[bleak sky]

but the spit

it targets you, hits for a truckload and that's it, ye?

I'm not standing on the puddle

[balmy condor]

Yeh hits you, puts shit on the ground, and then just the cloud like normal

[bleak sky]

alright, idk why it was hitting so hard then

[loud light]

on fort 25 spew disease should do like... 50k magic damage before mitigations

plus the ticking aura

[bleak sky]

but there's no mitigation tho

it's just cloak

[loud light]

well, vers

[bleak sky]

oh yea

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[loud light]

absorbs

[bleak sky]

true true

[balmy condor]

Run with a war and ask for absorbs

Intervene kek

[loud light]

OP

[balmy condor]

But yeh idk

[loud light]

it does have a cast time so a clutch healer can make sure you're topped before getting hit

besides that uh

[balmy condor]

I haven’t heard any issues with that mechanic specifically really

So dunno

[bleak sky]

just a hit I guess

[loud light]

that seems very high for tyr

[bleak sky]

that was fort

last week

[loud light]

oh

yeah that looks right then

[bleak sky]

wasn't able to run keys yet

[balmy condor]

@echo geyser ey b0ss the poison stitch flesh mini boss dude in NW before fixate boss, you do anything for his spit?

[loud light]

straight to the top

[bleak sky]

ramfam ping

[gusty mirage]

more avoidance tbh

that's about it

[bleak sky]

5%

[balmy condor]

🐏 👪 is the home boy

[bleak sky]

more vers? i've been running with 15 but I'm not sure I can shove more

[gusty mirage]

yeah idk some of the shit you just take an L on

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

because I was doing it on a 23 fort and my 13% avoidance + feint

and it still hit me for like 80% of my health

lmao

[bleak sky]

13% avoid

feint doesn't work tho

[gusty mirage]

it's outta habit idk

[balmy condor]

Oxi is an elusiveness gamer for sure

No cheat death requires

[gusty mirage]

game's easy

just don't die

[balmy condor]

Idk run kyr

[bleak sky]

I was on seli's stream a few days ago

and he said he doesn't run cheat on some keys

[sonic briar]

can you gamer shadowstep it maybe

[bleak sky]

never thought about NOT running cheat

[balmy condor]

Yeah seli is an anti-cheat death gamer

[gusty mirage]

yeah I remember fortified temple you'd run elusiveness

cuz the pillars on galv were buffed by fort

[balmy condor]

He ran cheat death on like

2 raid fights

[bleak sky]

now I want to give it a go but cheat is such a good crutch

[balmy condor]

This tier

[gusty mirage]

you can get lucky and avoid the first tick of the puddle if you sprint as its getting cast on you

but its a fuckin wash tbh

[bleak sky]

all I know is: I hate that mob

[gusty mirage]

yeah you ever pug a wake

and the pug tank just stands on rotspew's dead body after?

[bleak sky]

delicious

[gusty mirage]

very spicy

[bleak sky]

my second favorite is the gargoyle in SD

when the tank outranges the tankbuster and it goes on you

[gusty mirage]

my fav are the researchers

just throwing full encyclopedia sets at you

[bleak sky]

thick books

[gusty mirage]

which chunk you for 20% of your health on fort weeks

[bleak sky]

4k page +

[gusty mirage]

its nice

the amount of unavoidable damage in dungeons in SL is actually toxic

[balmy condor]

The whole telephone book at Mach 3

Straight to your dome

[bleak sky]

I gotta do a higher SD on fort but fuck SD

I love that dungeon but it's all the time

[gusty mirage]

third fav are skirmishers in spires

[bleak sky]

fuck the skirmishers

if they LoS on the new spot it's pretty chill tho

"new" spot

[gusty mirage]

there's a spot at the top of the stairs for that pull after first boss

where you tank em in the corner

and they can't jump

[bleak sky]

ya

it's nice

[gusty mirage]

but no tank does it

[bleak sky]

the one on the stairs is YIKES

[gusty mirage]

"los stairs"

BRO WHAT

[bleak sky]

but the one above it is NICE

[gusty mirage]

I'm eating spears to the face

[bleak sky]

when they hit raging this week also

[gusty mirage]

watched them delete a warrior

they all raged at the same time

and just speared him

and he fell over

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

bet that destroyed his ego

[spark scaffold]

Fuck the skirmishers last boss is toxic dmg depending on comp

Trash mobs are fine on non forti if you manage the casts

[bleak sky]

just feint

[spark scaffold]

If only everyone could feint/cloak

[drifting cosmos]

remember the days when feint has no cd

[pure mauve]

Hi for raid and m+ which venthyr soulbind is better?

[thorny pond]

Theotar is popular for multitarget situations, Nad still gets a lil bit on ST if you can't rip a crit tea

[pure mauve]

Got it!! Thx!!!

[thorny pond]

Merry Christmas my rogue compadres

[bleak sky]

Merry Christmas oxi from wish

[vast glacier]

Merry Christmas!
I have a newbie question. I'm picking a soulbind for my rogue, and I'm deciding between Necros and Venthyr.
How far are Necros behind on a single-target in comparsion to Venths?

[thorny pond]

A bit. The more accurate answer is to sim yourself with both but you typically go necro for multi target situations and/or you just want to

[vast glacier]

Got it, thanks. And one more question - does rapid use of SBS charges munch Emeni's Lead by Example?

[limber lion]

Sure does.

If you're playing Necrolord, you should probably play Heirmir.

[vast glacier]

Got it, thanks =-)

[strange python]

Necro vs Venthyr: Getting the most out of Venthyr requires using Flag properly and getting the most out of it...there are situations where necro will come out ahead, especially if Venthyr is played improperly. I like running them both, personally.

[grand ridge]

when using flag with my opener, I think I've been doing it wrong and not getting enough flag stacks. is this what we should be doing instead?: Mut>SND>Mut>Garrote>Shiv>Flag>Rup>Vendetta-Vanish-Mutilate> etc

[timid cloud]

You are using shiv too early.

Flag too.

[grand ridge]

I've been not caring about shiv and garrote globals messing with flag stacks

ahh

i'll have to do some more looking into it then

[timid cloud]

with vigor: mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut envenom mut
with mfd: mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut envenom mfd envenom

[grand ridge]

I run vigor at this time

my thought was shiv was messing with flag stacks

actually the way I was doing it before is right

I can consistently get more flag stacks the other way, but less envenoms in my shiv window

which I can see why that would be less damage

maybe I should bite the bullet and run mfd

[umbral rapids]

You don’t mfd+snd prepull btw?