assassination

[limber lion]

It should do yeah, but the 2p is where it's at actually

The 2p buffs the damage of SBS

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Like

4x gar - ct - sbs - rup - sbs - rup - sbs - ct - shiv

is gonna be bonkers

[limber swallow]

and you'll have extra spikes

[alpine latch]

Oh because of the 100% crit on all bleeds?

Makes sense

[limber lion]

No

Are you not aware that the 2p was reworked?

[alpine latch]

Oh right -they changed it

Yeah, I read that but it slipped my mind

[limber lion]

That's the big thing in the set

Not the 4p

[alpine latch]

I'm trying not to get too excited about it incase it gets nerfed into the ground

[limber lion]

It will get nerfed

Because it's omega op currently

[alpine latch]

I have a #1 DPS spot to keep

I talk way too much shit to the druids

It took 3 PIs for one of them to finally beat me

[outer cairn]

I need this. Tagging so I can find it later. For these you go to profiles and import correct?

[alpine latch]

Yup

You can install different Mods too, if you're into that sort of thing.

I have some m+ mods I imported from Wago, but Cev's base is solid af

[limber swallow]

apparently, Cev made some changes throughout the year too.. I was still on v1.0.2...

[viscid spear]

My best MoTS run is a Fort 13 that I overtimed.

I never can find a group

And now I have a MoTS+16 stone

[outer cairn]

I honestly just went into scripting and I made CT, Rupture, and Garrote highlight when they are falling off. It was really simple to do. However for Rupture, you have to search by spell ID because when I went by name it would pull up something different and I wasn't sure it was our Rupture based off the icon

[viscid spear]

Game's telling me something

[alpine latch]

Oh yeah, I didn't do that. I simply used plater mods for m+. Is a mob targeting me? How much % is it worth? Name shortener. That sort of thing.

[subtle tundra]

well, the players you find on keys below 15 are the players that cant get in +15 to even get the good weekly

[outer cairn]

mainly its just to highlight for me for additional adds as my main target i'm refreshing in pandemic

[viscid spear]

It's an old run, so long ago, haven't been able to find a good Mists group

[outer cairn]

think i'm gonna run first 3 in mythic tonight with necro and see how it plays. crit is still fairly high to keep dashing on instead of running obe

[subtle tundra]

obedience with necro?

🙏

amen

[spice spire]

That’s the Makeitquake classic

[alpine latch]

lol

[gusty mirage]

true

Man almost pulled heroic sylv with obedience as necro

[nocturne geode]

[gusty mirage]

I had his back tho

[spice spire]

Literally

Have pulled mythic grue with it

And ran keys with it

I just

[outer cairn]

So I've thrown out the idea that maybe SBS should be allowed to stack on ST and have DR per stack and we know the leggo needs reworked. What if the leggo rework was what allowed SBS to stack and then say with the tier set it changed the damage from every 2.5 seconds to say 50% instead of the full 100% so every 1.75 seconds? I feel like thats feasible. Would need testing and tuning, but a good base to start with the DRs being 75-50% damage for 2nd stack and 50-25% for the 3rd stack. Say stacks also fall off at a comparable time to it refreshing so you have to refresh it, but are able to maintain stacks on ST.

[nocturne geode]

😏

[ancient kraken]

Pog

[spice spire]

[outer cairn]

Grats

[sturdy mesa]

Santa is real poog

[nocturne geode]

opened vault as nightfae for the first time

got rewarded

[quaint carbon]

[tight ginkgo]

Y’boy is just too Obedient

[spice spire]

I-is that innuendo Mr. Museless

[tight ginkgo]

Only wholesome truths. A sin OTP is pretty obedient

[strange python]

lol you're all gonna go try NF cause of the 9.2 sims and be like "damn that ghosted dude was right, this is fun"

Do korthia with wm on though haha

[soft shale]

nf korayn is really fun always

[gusty mirage]

maybe that's the secret tech to getting a sylv dagger from the vault

liking shitty covenants?

[strange python]

first like 90k hp tank you see in korthia, just open hard and watch what happens haha

[spice spire]

[strange python]

It's not like it's trash tier dude

[slow marsh]

Except it is

[spice spire]

Iceblades really learning backstab

Damn

Turning on his NF apologist brethren

[slow marsh]

I can be a 9.2 NF apologist without supporting 9.1.5 NF

[spice spire]

Damn

But you’re still a filthy rper this tier

[slow marsh]

It's like people who brag about playing assassination in 9.0

[spice spire]

Yeah who does that

[gusty mirage]

it's not?

[slow marsh]

Just because someone plays something when it's bad doesn't mean they can claim "I was right all along" when it gets mega buffed to be good

[gusty mirage]

#1 parse for night fae sin rogue on guardian is 300 less dps than my 85 parse with 2 PIs

lol

idk how you don't call that trash tier

2 PIs and does 300 less dps than a 85 parse

[charred wraith]

maybe thats a you thing

[gusty mirage]

how is that a me thing?

11.2k w/ 2 PIs

nice

[slow marsh]

[gusty mirage]

sick covenant

[charred wraith]

guardian is not the fight

no adds to stagger korayn

[slow marsh]

I mean

[gusty mirage]

okay

[slow marsh]

Nf still hard loses to Necro with adds

[gusty mirage]

lets look at painsmith

#1 fae, 7.8k dps

[charred wraith]

i mean, the masses dont know how to play it

secrete technique

[slow marsh]

I guess the sim doesn't either ?

[charred wraith]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

my 74 parse on soulrender would be 7th for night fae rogues

what a great covenant

[slow marsh]

I supported the NF uprising of 9.2 but this is just delusion to defend it in 9.1.5

[charred wraith]

numbers are intentionally lowered by whispyr himself

[gusty mirage]

[charred wraith]

dont you know he s private logging nf sin off stream?

[limber lion]

To be fair

No one plays Night Fae currently

[gusty mirage]

wdym it's all the rage in china rn

[limber lion]

So it doesn't have good players pumping up the ranks either

[gusty mirage]

look at the logs

kills as recent as last week

[limber lion]

hmm

[soft shale]

what do you mean i was not the best player ever in bfa

playing sub

shocked

[limber lion]

Where are you looking at it

[gusty mirage]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/28#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&boss=2434&covenant=3

[viscid spear]

I was NF for Nathria, I didn't like it then. Can't imagine it being improved enough now for me to like it

[gusty mirage]

that's soulrender

dec 3rd

for their #1

extra points for the 4.5% of those fae rogues playing blindside

[slow marsh]

100% playing vigor

[limber lion]

I wouldn't call 22 parses "all the rage in china"

especially when there's only 4 china parses

[charred wraith]

they all private logging

[gusty mirage]

there are 5 in the top 10 of guardian

[charred wraith]

to hide the power

[slow marsh]

I would say I'll play night fae this week but then it'll just add fuel to the fire which seems worse

[nocturne geode]

i already im playing in prep

am*

[spice spire]

I mean all are visibly worse than venthyr rn

I play Necrolord knowing that I’m going to do worse

[limber lion]

Yeah but there's literally no one playing Night Fae

[nocturne geode]

but necro isnt really worse on some fights

it actual padding on slyv

[limber lion]

There's literally so little Fae/Kyrian parses, that WCL doesn't even show them when looking at stats

[nocturne geode]

🙂

[gusty mirage]

good

I hope it stays that way

[nocturne geode]

it wont

[limber lion]

Even if Night Fae was like 100 dps worse than the best choice

[slow marsh]

But Necro wins out on aoe

[limber lion]

It would still appear dogshit

[nocturne geode]

people are becoming woke to it

[limber lion]

because all the good players are playing the good covenant

[gusty mirage]

until they make sepsis not trash

and fix toxic onslaught no one will change my mind about fae

[spice spire]

Kind of?

[strange python]

I mean there are people playing Venthyr BIS and parsing 70's - the great players aren't playing NF...The great players flock to the best covenant, even if it's 150 dps higher.

[spice spire]

Necro wins out on cleave. Idk if I’d even label it an aoe winner.

[gusty mirage]

also if you don't get the llama soul shape we're not friends anymore @limber lion

[nocturne geode]

hippo better tho

[gusty mirage]

didn't ask

[slow marsh]

It does but the point is that Necro has upside and can beat out venthyr in certain circumstances. Night fae just loses everywhere

[limber lion]

It was nice knowing ya

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Until you get hit with a mechanic that makes you run out the second you hit flag haha

[slow marsh]

I may or may not have the llama tbh

[limber lion]

I only use the tiger soul

nothing else

[spice spire]

20s burst

Checkmate

[slow marsh]

Kekw tru

[lost wharf]

So I did the mage tower on assa. I killed the rage guy and the boss fight kept going. The Runeseer had a shield and I blinded Sigryn. Then the fight suddenly stopped, some RP happened and now they just stand there? I am still in fight? I don't know if I made it or not.

[slow marsh]

Only fight that happens on is guardian and it doesn't matter anyways

[lost wharf]

Nothing popped up.

[spice spire]

Once the dialogue happens, you did it

[strange python]

can you check achieve summary and see if it's there?

[gusty mirage]

check your appearances

cuz if they're not doing anything anymore you won

[lost wharf]

I already did sub challenge, so I won't know

[gusty mirage]

oh

[strange python]

ahh

sure sounds like you're done

[lost wharf]

I'm still infight tho

[spice spire]

Yeah you can check progress on completing all challenges can’t you?

[lost wharf]

How is that called?

The av I mean

[strange python]

/run for i=1,7 do local p,_,_,c=string.char(124),GetAchievementCriteriaInfo(15310,i,true) print(({'Xylem','Agatha','Sigryn','Tugar Bloodtotem','Kruul','Heal','Twins'})[i], c and (p..'cff00ff00done'..p..'r') or (p..'cffff0000not done'..p..'r')) end

[gusty mirage]

A Tour of Towers

[strange python]

that should tell you which of the 7 you've done

[slow marsh]

If they stopped fighting you can just leave it you're done

You would know if you failed cuz you'd die

[lost wharf]

Does it have an enrage even?

[gusty mirage]

yeah its a soft enrage

all 3 start casting their abilities at the same time

[lost wharf]

That wasn't too hard to handle tho

Generally this challenge was way easier than sub

[gusty mirage]

yeah its just about surviving

the dps check is minimal

[lost wharf]

Seed pod ruled

I'd recommend it for this challenge, if you haven't done it. Drops from first boss in emerald nightmare. Does insane dmg and is very easy to farm

[wild horizon]

Hi,
Someone know when are the optimal uses of vendetta in P2 and P3 Sylvanas ?

[wary ice]

cooldowns are generally assigned in p2 such that you'll have them for the lust in p3

[hollow river]

Usually on both boss burns in p2

But using on soul judge or Goliath is sometimes assigned

Instead of boss burn 1

[simple gyro]

sigryn does have a hard enrage too, at 6 minutes or so, if you can manage to get through the triple mechanics.

which realistically with cloak and evasion you can

[dawn ivy]

just saw my first countermeasure and it went to a paladin whos 6/10

[glass tulip]

thats always how it goes

[grim tangle]

how is anybody 6/10M, how do you kill painsmith but not guardian

[hollow river]

Guild disbanded after finally killing painsmith

Ez

[gusty mirage]

bring me along and I'll funnel you the faulty if you funnel me a mythic dagger

😛

[clever kindle]

Pretty easily when 20% of your guild quits including 3 officers, we had to fill spots then reprog painsmith, were working on sylv now but got delayed by weeks

[dawn ivy]

ive started offering 500k

[pallid bough]

There is a hard enrage too btw

At 7 mins

Sig gets an enrage buff and 1 shots you

[gusty mirage]

Shiiii

[pallid bough]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

You gotta be doing some low deeps to get there ye?

[pallid bough]

Yeah that happens if you have Sig basically perma cc’d with blind

But once I just used blind for interrupts sake and had massive bleed uptime on all 3, then it was pretty easy

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage hello cutie

[alpine latch]

On The Eye if I know fragment is about to go out while I have CDs I'm slapping, I pre-cloak

It's someone else's problem

[pure moth]

The nine*

[spice spire]

I don’t waste

I’ll get it run to marker, cloak then step back

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

More like "Dollar Cev Club"

[spice spire]

Fuck that’s good

[thorny pond]

im on it

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

Don't @ me unless you are in the 3 commas club

[oak sky]

,,,

[outer cairn]

oooo

[thorny pond]

Feelsbadman. Had 3 pulls at 13k+ on Fatescribe going into 2nd pot and lust.... and we wiped

[oak sky]

Sadge

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

i got research vault

[spice spire]

Mines still cooking

We eating good tonight tho

[oak sky]

i have raid tonight

could get any of the pieces i need

[thorny pond]

it could even be a dagger

[oak sky]

shoulders off kt and dagger would be ideal

big gains

but i would probably have to get the shoulders traded

same would go for legs

[drifting wing]

i'm going to lose my mind cuz of the valkyrie charge in the mage tower challenge

why arent there lines on the fking ground to see where they will pass through

[thorny pond]

you can always cloak itg

[outer cairn]

biggest thing with that, even from legion was as soon as you heard it coming, pan your camera, find the hole in the line, and run towards it

[drifting wing]

i'm trying to dodge it, but when its on the opposite side im somehow always on the edge getting hit

[outer cairn]

run towards it. helps you get a better picture of where to stand

[gusty mirage]

I got a doo doo vault too

[drifting wing]

ok, i'll try doing that

[outer cairn]

run diagon alley

🙂

[oak sky]

Good boss loot today

[gusty mirage]

Only got 4 upgrades and 2 are from sylv

[dawn kelp]

How much haste do you guys run?

[thorny pond]

Hate that for you boss

@dawn kelp Just use top gear

[dawn kelp]

❤️

[thorny pond]

stats don't have hard breakpoints anymore, just DRs. Top gear will set you up with your best. Save yourself some sim power and only sim crit/haste gem/chants though

[gusty mirage]

the christmas spirit has really filled beach

[outer cairn]

For DS its straight crit, but if you running Obe with MfD then you need a bit more haste. Think Whispyr has it in the pins

[thorny pond]

Top Gear

Don’t over complicate it

[viscid spear]

1500 Mythic score

[outer cairn]

i mean yeah, but i simmed obe a couple weeks ago and it was better now ds is better again

[spice spire]

give them the one two, homie

[hollow river]

one two homie

[gusty mirage]

commas aren't his strong suit

[spice spire]

Very true

Run on savant

[gusty mirage]

just do what my buddy used to do; add semi colons to everything; that way it just looks like you never learned proper puncation; lol

[limber swallow]

for (int i = 1; i < homie; i++) { // do stuff }?

[spice spire]

Yes

@ both

[limber swallow]

just got another vault key.. and I don't want to do it because I'm not ready for the disappointment...

[balmy condor]

never playing this dogshit spec again later nerds

#subtlety

[gusty mirage]

[outer cairn]

lol. i still haven't actually seen what kind of dmg i can do with sub. i only have a heroic and normal dagger but still

[viscid spear]

I have a 0 rating in Mists, the only thing I've done is a +13 Fort in 44:38

[hollow river]

gratz whoospyr

tonight my guild kills sylvanas

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

and i get dagger first try

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

we hit enrage for the first time last week

[grave depot]

11 kills and 12 vaults. still no dagger for me

[hollow river]

had 1 dead all of p3

hit enrage with 49.7

monk was out and 1 dead all p3

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

we might actually kill it this week

[grave depot]

https://gyazo.com/d4d621e7cd98ff74a02c4bfdbdc737f8

WHERE MA DAGGER?

[limber lion]

good luck out there

[spice spire]

Oh no

NF propaganda is taking over

[oak sky]

Bye whispyr thanks for giving us a new toy i mean cf to mess with

[limber swallow]

holy f

[sturdy mesa]

it's right there!

Believe

[viscid spear]

I never see a VotW key in LFD

[sand plume]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

the real me wants to say fuck you

[strange python]

whispyr you leaf'ing us?

[balmy condor]

I mean I haven't played sin all patch

literally played sin for like 2 bosses during heroic week, then played sub the rest of the tier

specced sin, did mage tower, specced back out of sin

[strange python]

oh word

[chilly swift]

I ask myself the same question

[viscid spear]

Betrayer!

[gusty mirage]

but think about how fun mfd is

[balmy condor]

[thorny pond]

Damn Whispyr catching strays for not wanting to be 💩

[nocturne geode]

think about nightfae

[thorny pond]

Sorry crabs

[gusty mirage]

I'm a big proponent of playing what you like

unless its outlaw

then I'll bully you

[nocturne geode]

^

you bullied me for having a sub tag

so idk

[gusty mirage]

me?

no shot

[nocturne geode]

yea something about look at all the blue names is chat

one day

i felt shuned and removed my tag

[gusty mirage]

moi?

[thorny pond]

Both specs are the same

Don’t hate

Hate boomkins and outlaw

[nocturne geode]

i just like picking on oxi bc he cute

[gusty mirage]

based

[reef axle]

frost shard set, rank 3 is 15 cinders per shard isnt it? and ranl 4 is 30?

[thorny pond]

Yea Je

[reef axle]

ahh k, hopefully r3 is decent

[thorny pond]

It gains momentum at r4

And the more gear you have etc

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Why is everyone so bent out of shape over this thing?

[gusty mirage]

@thorny pond bro wut

[thorny pond]

Bro it’s not even good

[balmy condor]

cause it does damage

[thorny pond]

So does PK but we don’t use that

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

pk also isn't 150 dps up

[gusty mirage]

I need hmmchamp in my life

[thorny pond]

Okay. I can scuff sims too to make nerds cream over a TW trinket

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-cope-harder-seethe-cope-and-seethe-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-23735093

[bleak sky]

dollar store cev

what a name

[gusty mirage]

ty I feel its appropriate

same otp energy, 55% of the performance

[bleak sky]

🤔

[thorny pond]

Here’s more dps for every sin player - “n”, “subtlety”, “activate”
Kyrian

[gusty mirage]

I'm what you get when you buy Cev on clearance as a refurbished item

[thorny pond]

There more dps than some dumb trinket

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage vamanos

[gusty mirage]

you need one?

[balmy condor]

idk I assume I do

[bleak sky]

tyrannical vault NOPERS

[balmy condor]

let me check

[gusty mirage]

I gotchu, if we can get past first boss its a cakewalk

[thorny pond]

You’re gonna wanna downgrade that key about 10 times

[limber lion]

gibe

[dawn ivy]

yeah why not just do a +2

[bleak sky]

+2 is for non-elite gamers

[reef axle]

500 dps for r 3, not too bad lol

[oak sky]

+2 is faster

[thorny pond]

Y’all have enough valor after farming it for 2 weeks

[dawn ivy]

anything above a +2 is literally inting

[gusty mirage]

this man just got a 259 sylv dagger

and you're asking him to waste it on a +2?

[oak sky]

I did even up to a 17

[thorny pond]

Yea

[bleak sky]

gotta get that VotW +20 portal

[oak sky]

Hmmm yes

The portal

[bleak sky]

it's a hidden secret achievement ok

[thorny pond]

That way next time TWing comes around they can bash their face more efficiently

[oak sky]

Its gonna be different dungeons next time for sure

Karazhan and arcway

And sear

Seat

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Halls of valor

Maw of souls

[gusty mirage]

I liked halls of valor tho

[balmy condor]

cant wait to farm angerboda

[oak sky]

Violet hold

Ive only done some of the legion dungeons

In tw and tw leveling

[bleak sky]

violet hold isnt mythic plus

[balmy condor]

I wonder how crazy horn of valor would be

[oak sky]

Halls?

Kh

Oh

Is that a trinket

[balmy condor]

yeh

from first boss halls

2min cd agi on use

it was kind of okay until 7.3 cause they gave artifacts a crazy agi buff

so then anything agi was just out the window

actually was 7.2 I think'

[oak sky]

Hm

[formal zenith]

guys i finally got my 2nd dagger today 19 kills/19 9 kill vaults later

[subtle tundra]

MAN pushing as a spec you dont like is painnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

when will assa be best rogue spec m+

[reef axle]

as vulpera, do we ever have use for bag of tricks?

[subtle tundra]

say tomorrow

[balmy condor]

yeh just on cd for damage

[reef axle]

even if it uses a gcd? seems to slow down the rotation in place of another gcd lol

[balmy condor]

we're no where close to gcd capped

[amber sand]

I’m trying to parse a little better and was just curious if you guys pull your energy for shiv and flagellation?

[balmy condor]

you're not losing anything

[reef axle]

fair enough

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq message

at the top

[subtle tundra]

do we world first?

nvm we already started the 29

[oak sky]

Sadge

[subtle tundra]

ok 28

[dawn ivy]

"ok now 27"

[subtle tundra]

no, we have one more 28

KEKW

[dawn ivy]

lmao

[glass tulip]

I had got anima powers and forgot I had dungeon talents / leggo

[strange python]

SECOND DAGGER

17 KILLS LATER

GOT AVOIDANCE

[bronze pike]

grats

[outer cairn]

hahah two edges and the leggo bow

only heroic but hey

[viscid spear]

I'll be honest, I would be Sub if I had even one Edge

In a HC Sylvie "1-shot" now, let's see

[subtle tundra]

im sub cause assa bad in m+:((

[spark scaffold]

Good in mists though!

[magic summit]

How much better really is Sub?

Why you’d play it over sIn

[echo geyser]

about two fiddy

[balmy condor]

it's better prio, pretty much equal or better single target, better aoe, and better funnel

[fathom flax]

For ass it’s safe to bind 252 guardian trinket to flag right

[balmy condor]

sure

[fathom flax]

Not like sub where you use it half way thru?

[balmy condor]

I mean you still optimally use it halfway through

it's hasted

[echo geyser]

versted

[fathom flax]

I love you whisp but you make my low effort gaming hard sometimes

[balmy condor]

It's not worth thinking about

just macro it

fuck it

like 0.2%

[magic summit]

so really its all round better \

[balmy condor]

yes

the single thing assassination does better is low target cleave

which is not really important anywhere atm

except like

theatre

[echo geyser]

still to this day i cant tell if sin is better than outlaw in top

[balmy condor]

probably outlaw I would think

outlaw ties on 3 and wins on 4+ yeh?

how many 2 target pulls you doing in top

[echo geyser]

like 2 or 3 but 1 is just 2 mages which is like short

and thats only if u play 2x miniboss

garrote silence is good on ghosts tho

[magic summit]

ah okey thanks

[viscid spear]

2 hours of waiting to finally kill Sylvie and nothing for it

[spice spire]

I legit think sin is better on top

Specifically for xav

[amber sand]

has the CoS Aoe trinket dropped for anyone lately?

[limber swallow]

yes, but it's not good after the nerf

I got it yesterday

[subtle tundra]

better than?

oh outlaw?

yea, just ram cant play it

(cause he bad)

[spice spire]

Yeah than outlaw

And nah ram is a lad

Multi spec rogue freakazoid

[subtle tundra]

multi spec, can only play 2

🥺

[spice spire]

That is more than one spec

[subtle tundra]

oh fuk

oh shit

[spice spire]

Do wish I could see the ramfam sin rogue key tour

[subtle tundra]

yes i coach him

garretx1 garretx2 garretx3

into the

GARRETX4

[limber swallow]

vigor ftw

[echo geyser]

who that?

[spice spire]

The pvp boss

[echo geyser]

ah we keep the banners alive

[spice spire]

But brother

Think of the energy regen

[echo geyser]

illegal to put dots

[spice spire]

That’s more GARRETS

[echo geyser]

the policeforce would take me in

[subtle tundra]

hello? the 2t assa funnel energy

pop that garrote

[echo geyser]

actually only 1 shadowstep

aint u fucking dead on that boss?

at least on 27 where it lasts long?

[subtle tundra]

no, i did it and it was fine

just get lucky? helllo?

[echo geyser]

its rng tho

yeah

tell me u play necro?

[subtle tundra]

you know cheat death is an option

no, venthyr

[echo geyser]

[subtle tundra]

necro is good too

with doomblade pogging

or ds

its close

[spice spire]

Necro DB MA LETS Go

[subtle tundra]

ok im not trolling but you certaintly are

[spice spire]

Yessir

[subtle tundra]

do i wait for reset to open mystical box??

[spice spire]

MA is pure ST pain in a comp. and if you’re having that much pain, you aren’t pushing that high

[echo geyser]

i got full mythic raid box for the first time in month or 2

time to get last 259 piece

[spice spire]

Yes sir let that box simmer

[echo geyser]

[subtle tundra]

man... i played full push week with no 2nd sylvanas dagger

felt like inting

[echo geyser]

just use hc?

[subtle tundra]

where from?

[echo geyser]

from hc

[subtle tundra]

ok magic boy

make it appear

[spice spire]

I’ve gifted several

[echo geyser]

u didnt clear hc every week

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

theres no way u dont have one if u did

0 chance

[subtle tundra]

ok true but

that was cause i never thought i'd push seriously as sub

(literally hate myself)

[echo geyser]

[subtle tundra]

yea? well i open vault as assa this week

you'll see

[drifting cloud]

[spice spire]

That’s

[subtle tundra]

even whispyr dropped dagger

[spice spire]

True

[drifting cloud]

he did? what a gamer

so unlucky took like 2 vaults

[spice spire]

Yeah dude’s fragging rn

[subtle tundra]

to be fair

you only have to drop it

to drop it

[spice spire]

True

Very wise words mr. Varas

[clever kindle]

ill get a sylvanas dagger

[magic summit]

How good is the dangers for sin use heroic over 252 daggers?

[peak bobcat]

Sim it but usually no

252 offhand was better for me than a heroic sylv

[magic summit]

Okey thanks

[subtle tundra]

WE

POOPING

leech too

[drifting cloud]

didnt even take phial smh

[subtle tundra]

already have it, get rekt

wanna know something

[drifting cloud]

but do you have 2 of them

[subtle tundra]

this is the third time i got eon mythic

in vault

[drifting cloud]

what

[subtle tundra]

last time with phial aswell and took it

[drifting cloud]

and the 3rd time?

oh this is 3rd nvm math is hard

ok

[subtle tundra]

free leech

yea first i got it, 2nd passed and now im happy

[drifting cloud]

I looted it when I had two and traded it to our warrior

[rocky ruin]

at what % of haste do i need to stop going for haste, (running obedience + Alacrity)

[balmy condor]

there aren't any breakpoints

just keep simming yourself

it'll be fine

[rocky ruin]

ok

ty

[balmy condor]

np

[spark scaffold]

[balmy condor]

[rocky ruin]

is marked for death better than vigor for m+, simming says its better by a lot for dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

you can yeah

a lot of people just prefer vigor for ease in subterfuge usage

but mfd is honestly fine

[rocky ruin]

should i keep running vigor? or is it kinda a preference + sim thing?

cause Mfd is simming like 182 dps higher

[oak sky]

LETS GO BABY

[twilit python]

it doesnt really matter that much but id probably just stick with vigor

you energy starve really easy after triple garrotes

[oak sky]

meh your regen is really good once the garrotes are out

[rocky ruin]

yea, plus i can use mfd for an insta rupture for extra ticks

[oak sky]

i run vigor in m+ anyway

[rocky ruin]

i guess ill just have to run a key or 2 with it

ty for the tips

[oak sky]

for m+ its definitely a preference thing

[twilit python]

idk i remember seli arguing a while ago about it

[oak sky]

yeah if anyone would know its seli (or varas)

[balmy condor]

the thing about mfd is you get most of the value at the end of a pack

when it doesn't matter

cause you can mfd snipe

over and over and over

so the argument is that the value of the talent occurs when you don't need it

so while it's better damage, it's not a better profile

which is...... an argument I can't really refute

but I think it really doesn't matter one way or the other

[oak sky]

extra thing is vigor makes your ~10% haste single target feel a little more cozy

[balmy condor]

and the fact that mfd already sims so high in single target

kind of makes mfd seem appealing

but dungeonslice and m+ theorycrafting for sin is a rabbit hole you can quickly get swallowed in

[drifting cloud]

sin raid spec, sub pvp spec, outlaw dungeon spec

[balmy condor]

with energy overcapping and target counts and how many bleeds on what and when to refresh

[drifting cloud]

🙈

[balmy condor]

kind of really messy

[oak sky]

deeper in dungeons next patch

👀

Its the soul read

[gloomy knoll]

Sin raid spec, sub raid spec, outlaw rp spec

[oak sky]

Yo ho yo ho

[gloomy knoll]

Fixed it

Yarrrr

[oak sky]

Sin raid spec sub raid spec sub m+ spec sub pvp spec sub rp spec outlaw deleted

[gloomy knoll]

Lmao

[oak sky]

New class next xpac so i can get out of this hellhole

[drifting cloud]

wtf why do you hate us

[oak sky]

Oops i mean i love you guys and i would never leave

[gloomy knoll]

I like outlaw but I don’t really want to play it in raid with it’s damage profile so honestly just keep it good in m+

Agreon leaving right when rogue gets utility

[oak sky]

It was a joke but im actually hella down for a new class

I would never leave you

[gloomy knoll]

I mean if they made a class that’s more fun than rogue I’d be fine playing it

[oak sky]

Whos gonna answer questions in this channel when whispyr and cev and oxi and quake are all offline with me gone

[drifting cloud]

esra fotm reroller

[gloomy knoll]

I just play what I like

[oak sky]

Ngl

I dont think they have it in them

[gloomy knoll]

And for a while it’s been rogue

[oak sky]

To make something more fun than rogue

[gloomy knoll]

Rogue just had all the stuff you could want

And all 3 specs are pretty fun

[oak sky]

I couldnt main another class

[gloomy knoll]

I’m pretty solidified as melee over ranger now and no other melee is as close to being as fun as rogue imo

[oak sky]

But a fun new class would be a sick alt you know what im sayin

[gloomy knoll]

Yea I feel you

[drifting cloud]

1k played on rogue or bust

[gloomy knoll]

Lol

[oak sky]

1k what

Days?

[twilit hollow]

@gloomy knoll did you ever get your countermeasure

[oak sky]

It hasnt been 1k days since i started wow

[drifting cloud]

getting there

[oak sky]

I think i had around 1k hours the past year

Idk how many days that is

[gloomy knoll]

Yessir logged on one day and got it first key I was so relieved lol

[twilit hollow]

goddamnn

[drifting cloud]

gratz

[oak sky]

40ish

[twilit hollow]

still at like 110 runs, but i got a 16 vault today

[gloomy knoll]

Ty only took like 50 something

Jesus Christ

[drifting cloud]

I got both the dungeon rings in vault but now theyre useless when I need court ring

[gloomy knoll]

[drifting cloud]

[gloomy knoll]

Lmao

I got every ring in the game 252

[oak sky]

Dude the legion items boosted my damage a ton

Crazy stuff

[gloomy knoll]

No phial tho

[drifting cloud]

12k sim ep/mfd

[gloomy knoll]

It did a lot more for sin than it did for my sub

[drifting cloud]

[gloomy knoll]

Yea my sins about the same actually crazy

[oak sky]

Yuuuup

[drifting cloud]

theres no freaking court keys

has everyone already gotten it

[gloomy knoll]

Probably lol

[oak sky]

My guild didnt kill sylv today tho so i dont get more loot until the new year

[drifting cloud]

god damn it should have farmed when people also did it for trinket

[gloomy knoll]

That’s why I did my shit asap I was worried people would stop doing the keys lol

[drifting cloud]

probably had loads of people who had ring but were just farming trink

but whatever its ony like 70, trinket was 150

[gloomy knoll]

Yea I got traded ring for nerfed trinket

[drifting cloud]

trinket might actually live more than 2-3 weeks into tier

ring probably not

[gloomy knoll]

Yea ring will go quick

Trinket go prob be used first mythic week unless u lucky

[drifting cloud]

gonna be hard to swap both of them

[versed mica]

how does one sim only the crit tea buff on raidbots again?

[drifting cloud]

when youre swapping phial with phial

[gloomy knoll]

God I hate plague fall so much man

[twilit hollow]

dont we get tazavesh trinket next tier

phial/sack tier Pog

[gloomy knoll]

Why couldn’t our trinket be in mists

[drifting cloud]

oh right I forgot about that one

[gloomy knoll]

Yea we go have to farm the nut sack

[drifting cloud]

shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit you put it in custom apl at the bottom

[twilit hollow]

Lower taz keys

[drifting cloud]

lets see how good it is

whats the ilvl gonna be uhh

272?

[gloomy knoll]

272 from vault I believe

So 266 upgraded from keys

Or something like that

[drifting cloud]

278 should be mythic

272 max valor

[gloomy knoll]

That might be it yea

[drifting cloud]

so 262 base drop, guess youre gonna be spending valor smart first month anyways

[gloomy knoll]

Yea valor dagger + trinket

[solid venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8dbA5ej98PNLH9cqQZVyKy double sinful ds / bs

[gloomy knoll]

Everyone with a 252 phial can kick rocks

[drifting cloud]

ok sack absolutely sucks

ass

[gloomy knoll]

I haven’t had one this entire xpac...

[drifting cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5dvhGwjekoNC6nuFFeWwfH

but thats with dom sets enabled fuck

[gloomy knoll]

You’re also replacing 2 diff items

And yea countermeasure is huge with frost

[drifting cloud]

ok when you disable sets 272 sac is +50 over countermeasure

lol

[gloomy knoll]

Not that crazy

[drifting cloud]

so prob not gonna be playing it as assa

[gloomy knoll]

It did perform really well compared to sims but everyone kept saying some bullshit about agility

[drifting cloud]

or definetly not spending valor on it anytime soon

[gloomy knoll]

Well don’t forget mastery prob a lil better with tier

So might help it some

[drifting cloud]

sure but its compared to a 246 (busted) trinket

raid might have nice things

[gloomy knoll]

Hopefully

I prefer raid trinkets being good over dungeon

[drifting cloud]

its just the valor opportunity cost, if you dont get weap first 2 weeks you probably upgrading mh with valor anyways

and phial before sac

[gloomy knoll]

Like I said haven’t had a 252 phial all xpac

[drifting cloud]

so then youre already a month in

[gloomy knoll]

Yea pretty much

Useless at that point

Progs about done lol

[oak sky]

no valor cap

lets us be unholy degens in peace

[slow marsh]

Vers gonna be better still I think

[versed mica]

why? the biggest damage boost is 2 pc, mastery specifically increase damage of those things that are effected by 2pc

[slow marsh]

Because of how our mastery works

And melee still being a big portion of our damage

[gloomy knoll]

Idc what stats end up being bis tbh I was just saying it’ll help the trinket cuz mastery will be slightly better lol

[slow marsh]

Ye

Trinkets will maybe be a bit clogged next tier which I prefer honestly

[gloomy knoll]

None of our stats on any rogue spec are that interesting or intuitive so w/e’s good I’m fine with it

[slow marsh]

Always rather have options

[gloomy knoll]

Yea same

Don’t ever wanna go back to arcanocrystals lol

[slow marsh]

Countermeasure will still be good but not quite as good because no frost set. Sack is good. Obviously phial. I think I heard something about the secret technique trinket becoming decent with ilvl

[gloomy knoll]

The share stat one seems good w/e that one is

[slow marsh]

Shadowgrasp might come back in the mix with the amount of haste we'll have if we go that route

[gloomy knoll]

Is basically ocular but your homie also gets some stats

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's secret technique

[gloomy knoll]

If you factor in the additional stats it gives it’s prob pretty decent for prog

[slow marsh]

I mean it's agi + whatever secondary you want so it has potential

[gloomy knoll]

Yea

[oak sky]

pray for good raid trinket

[slow marsh]

I'm thinking we will be more spread with our stats next tier instead of hard stacking like last two tiers

[oak sky]

im sure theres gonna be a nice on use from raid

[slow marsh]

Yeah there usually is

[gloomy knoll]

Maybe a lil bit cuz we already in dr

[slow marsh]

Tbh this raid was a letdown with trinks

[oak sky]

you could be right on the stats kinda

[slow marsh]

I was so excited about KT trink in ptr and it came out so meh

[gloomy knoll]

Same

[oak sky]

might favor higher mastery and vers but i wouldnt be shocked if crit/haste are top

[slow marsh]

I mean yeah crit haste will still be top

[gloomy knoll]

Crit haste will still be our main stats

Just cuz of how sin works

But it really doesn’t matter lol

[slow marsh]

But we'll be able to easily hit drs so it'll depend on how long they stay relevant

[gloomy knoll]

W/e stats good will be good easier to gear tbh if we can use a lil more vers mastery and not just 2 stats

[slow marsh]

Probs just full crit haste into 20% drs before backing off to vers if anything is my guess

[oak sky]

imo it depends on what the good raid gear is

[slow marsh]

We also don't know yet how stats will interact with the stuff we get until we can actually test it too

Because like with desyncd vend/flag haste keeps the crown for sure

Since overcap won't be as much of an issue at all

[raven vapor]

i know we always trust in the sims but my sim is saying to run sinful on both weps, does that sound right?

on a nightly patchwerk

[south hollow]

bro it s 1 dps

[raven vapor]

i can see that thanks, doesn't mean i'm not interested in why it's valuing sinful so much

[zealous marsh]

It’s margin of error i guess

I would run it again

And not change enchants

[raven vapor]

I've ran it a few times and it comes back with the same, i'll run guidance anyway just strange to see so much value put on sinful

[zealous marsh]

And i never seen that before

[raven vapor]

probably something in the nightly build

[zealous marsh]

Mby

Or robot i sleepy

[vestal wren]

Dps variance is usually around 6 or 7 dps. This means 1 dps diffrence is irrelevant

You can run with high iteration count if you want a lower variance

[solid venture]

I've had the same earlier

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8dbA5ej98PNLH9cqQZVyKy

[balmy condor]

Double sinful is fairly common with higher gear but like the screenshot shows is margin of error, I wouldn’t suggest using it since it’s a little more volatile

[balmy condor]

For the record, saying “I’ve ran it a few times and it comes back with the same” isn’t actually making anything more accurate or more valid. It’s analogous to touching a flame and going “yep that’s hot”, and then touching it 10 more times expecting to magically be able to more precisely know what the temperature of the flame is. Unless you’re changing the accuracy of your measuring device, running the test over and over is still inconclusive

[limber lion]

Damn this girl with a santa hat is not only a cutie but also a genius

[balmy condor]

[weary marten]

Hey guys, i got IQD 252 i simmed it ofc it says it's more damage in theory but about usage, is it really good ? Sync with no cd

Otherwise i have 239 fusion amplifier

[drifting cloud]

its whatever, I guess it can be good on like under 4min fight

where you would vendetta flag at 3min together with iqd

just farm countermeasure instead

[weary marten]

countermeasure is from warden vault ?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[weary marten]

i tried a few times didn't drop, need to continue to try yeah

about ring in court of stars ? worth ?

[drifting cloud]

yes but trinket is insane for assa

[weary marten]

yeah ofc thanks

[limber lion]

Took me around 30 runs to get it personally

Some people get it in 2 runs, some people take over 100 allegedly

[weary marten]

i guess running in 2+ the key is more time gain

[limber lion]

Yes, grinding out lower keys is the way to farm it

Doesn't make it any more fun though

There's around 20 items on the loot pool

So first you have to get an item

[oak sky]

someone say 2 runs for vaults trinket?

[limber lion]

And second you have to land on the exact item that you need

Around 5% chance to get the trinket if you get loot

[weary marten]

yeah i know

hard times

[limber lion]

2 items per dungeon for 5 people, meaning you get 0.4 items every run

1/80 chance to get it

It's a blast

That's of course assuming no one trades it to you, which, well, let's be real,

no one is gonna trade it to you

if they get it

It's rough out there

I'm personally still over 1k valor short from upgrading my trinket

Not doing any m+ ever really came to haunt me

[weary marten]

the matter is looting the trinket, valor will come later ^^

[limber lion]

Yeaah, well you need both anyways

I still need to do like 15 more keys to get the valor to upgrade it

And I'm not a big m+ fan

[solid venture]

I had enough Valor from doing all these +2 runs to insta max upgrade ring and faulty by the time I got them

Hard knock life

[limber lion]

I started from 0 valor, maxed out the ring the second I got it. Still around 1.8k off the trinket

But yeh, I've only done like 50 runs or something

[solid venture]

[limber lion]

Grinded Vaults for like 9 hours in total

Not too bad

[solid venture]

I know the pain

[vestal wren]

worse thing is the grind could come back each season ^^

[limber lion]

Exactly

Fingers crossed they either nerf the thing or they introduce really good raid trinkets

[vestal wren]

i hope for good raid trinkets

[limber lion]

Nerfing would be pretty yikes though after so many people grinded them out

[vestal wren]

also sack is probably quite strong in 9.2 unless nerfed

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure

[solid venture]

Bring back coral / inkpod

[hollow dirge]

Farming that trinket for current content is beyond me, I’ll save that energy for next patch 😂

[limber lion]

I wasn't a big fan of coral personally, but inkpod was a fun passive trinket for what it was worth

[drifting cloud]

the trinket is so good you might use it for a few weeks of next patch 🤷‍♂️

[vestal wren]

tbh i think its quite good that some of the TW items are good

[limber lion]

I agree with Ryler, it's so much better than anything else available

[vestal wren]

it means there is some content to be done with reward, and that's what's not there for the patch else

[limber lion]

Might see some folk down Jailer with the trinket on

[vestal wren]

i am fairly certain we will see people down the jailer with sylvanas daggers

^^

[hollow dirge]

For sure, I don’t mind it either, but just cba to do it right now, I do vault as my weekly 4 dungeons and if it drops, drops. If not, I’ll farm it religiously in 9.2 anyway 😂

[hollow dirge]

Maybe hc, but even that is dubtful. Subs could keep it a bit longer though

[balmy condor]

What if people kill the jailer but everyone wears either cloth, leather, chain, or plate

That would be wild

[vestal wren]

i mean on subtlety, assassination does not benefit that much from sylvanas dagger

[drifting cloud]

still good enough in offhand

at the start where you dont have valor unless you get really lucky with vault

[hollow dirge]

I’m annoyed by no crit on it 😂

[drifting cloud]

yeah so EoN seem to beat a mythic ilvl dagger in oh

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gA14fo3YNAgX7XGhfixHjm

with no sets, unless I fucked something up which I dont think I did?

[limber lion]

No, it definitely does

Ilvl is still king.

The only way to kill Sylv daggers is to turn off the effect

which I doubt they would do

[vestal wren]

they could also nerf it, it happened in other xpacs to powerful items

[desert pulsar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vJZzDfJMAzZgbpafEuk1A6
is blindside oversimming or why do most assa rogues on guardian still play EP? is it because of some threshold for my char?

[vestal wren]

its usually personal preference

[drifting cloud]

most people also dont use mfd when its better in every scenario pretty much its just assa rogue things

and the difference isnt big where it would matter more than ka and pis

[limber lion]

Looking at Guardian is no longer a good comparison honestly

[drifting cloud]

but yeah I wonder how the talents stack up if you were to sim 4:30 fight with KA and PIs

[limber lion]

not a single non-external log to be seen

[drifting cloud]

hey theres a few!

check demo lock on guardian

2 pis is the lowest on top100

[limber lion]

Awful

I hate it.

[bleak sky]

ethical leaderboard when

[thorny pond]

What are you, the ethic committee?

[vestal wren]

your name tricked me

i think its unavoidable to have most of top logs with extrernals if the patch cycle is as long as it is in shadowlands

[gloomy knoll]

Get rid of externals

[drifting cloud]

get rid of nf logs!

[spice spire]

Yes man

[drifting cosmos]

yea nf big no no

hope necro can be a thing

[spice spire]

Highly doubt

[hoary crown]

What do you guys think? Assa or sub in 9.2? For performance in raid

[drifting cloud]

too early to tell

sub is probably safer bet but assa tier might carry

and the difference might be small like this raid

[hoary crown]

Ahh that would be amazing, to not have a dealbreaking spec😍

[vestal wren]

assassination was for majority of the first raid the best spec, it was just initially undertuned

this tier is slightly in fav. of subtlety but assassination is competing and we see a nearly 50 50 split between the 2 specs

m+ is the only content its less diverse with currently subtlety as the preferred choice

[steel bane]

priority prison

[vestal wren]

the seasonal affix can have a impact on the trend, but it seems like dungeon design is favoring priority damage atm

[bleak sky]

unbind evis
spam bp

[hollow river]

The path to true enlightenment

[spice spire]

Pad the meters so the prio target doesn’t die in time

[thorny pond]

If you ain't first, you're last quake

[alpine latch]

I have a 2nd 252 and my sims still prefer EoN in the OH, but it's close

[viscid spear]

I have a 239 Shadowspike and 226 Fang

Everything is at least 239 besides that OH

[spice spire]

[indigo mulch]

Im hoping for a sin tier again.

I just dont like sub. =c

[limber lion]

Every tier is sin tier

[indigo mulch]

[soft shale]

have you tried getting 20 externals

[spice spire]

Very true

[viscid spear]

Technically Castle Nathria was sin-tier because the entire gimmick was sins.

[drifting cloud]

playing sin first 3months was a sin aswell

[viscid spear]

But is just 1 EoN good enough to warrant going Sub?

[viscid spear]

I did that

[gusty mirage]

I see what you did there

[meager swallow]

Is IQD a sim trap? 252 is simming higher than 239 amp.

[hollow river]

If you can play sub optimally yeah kinda

I mean for prog rn you don’t really need damage

So it’s kinda whatever IMO

[vestal wren]

i wouldn't say its a sim trap, but iqd def. is a trinket that can backfire if used at the wrong time

i would choose what i like more gameplay wise over putting a certain item as requirement to play a spec

if you like subtlety or want to try it, go for it

if you are more comfortable with assassination or like it more there is no big harm to stay with it

[viscid spear]

Guess all the Legion keys happen later in the day

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage nice name bro

Does that mean I can purchase you for a buck

[viscid spear]

Have to be careful, some "Dollar" Stores are just places where you can get stuff for 1-5 dollars, not "everything is $1"

[kind talon]

I’d still buy him for five dollars

He’s worth it

[viscid spear]

Wait until the market value goes down, gotta buy low

[kind talon]

Limited stock gotta buy fast

[viscid spear]

Scarcity breeds value, true

[bleak sky]

get that 2k io king

[viscid spear]

only just hit 1500 last night

[bleak sky]

if you need help lmk

[spice spire]

Mr. minalba are you alliance

[bleak sky]

O

Is ash alliance

I only have rat alts in alliance

[ember mural]