If you're at 5 and shiv is up you press
#assassination
slow marsh
burnt latch
Yeah thats what my gut says too, but didnt want to comment as i dont know if its sim-accurate
slow marsh
Like I understand the question but it's somewhat irrelevant once you change your mindset on shiv
burnt latch
Yeah thats also true
slow marsh
You literally just smash on cd unless vendetta is in 10s
Capped on CP or not just shiv
storm forum
for the exact scenario where you're at 2 CP and have a lot of energy (maybe had to move out to kick or soak something) def just mut and then shiv and then envenom I think
burnt latch
Yeh
slow marsh
You'll only be getting like two envenoms in shiv regardless of how you play it so the uptime and not capping energy is more important
burnt latch
Wonder if the play would actually be to garrote into shiv instead if that means u still dont overcap energy
slow marsh
Shiv uptime > energy efficiency > CP efficiency is the order I would put sin prio
burnt latch
Probs depends on how far off pandemic u are
storm forum
Probs depends on how far off pandemic u are
yeah if garotte would fall off during shiv maybe that's reasonable
slow marsh
Unless you're about to vanish and garrote is falling off I wouldn't bother outside pandemic
storm forum
but thats outside the scope of the original question
slow marsh
You can garrote in shiv it's fine. It gives CP
It's worse to rupture in shiv but even then it's mostly fine
slow marsh
I mean for 9.2 sure lol
storm forum
it takes a lot of humility to rupture during shiv
burnt latch
It builds character
slow marsh
I mean rupture in shiv isn't gonna be the end all be all of your parse tbh
It's not ideal but it's not keeping you from an orange parse
amber fossil
wait, isn't rupture uptime> shiv?
slow marsh
And I would say that letting rup fall off is worse than just hitting it in shiv
burnt latch
It is i was memeing
slow marsh
Just gotta think of shiv as just another uptime debuff not really a burst window like it might seem
bleak sky
painsmith reclear
pug 10/10 people
wipe
kindred rapids
I mean sometimes it's a judgement call as to whether you'll be able to rupture in time if you squeeze in another envenom
slow marsh
2p tier will maybe change shiv usage a little but even then I doubt you would ever hold it. Always slam
kindred rapids
Sometimes rupture will fall off for like .2 seconds and I'm like probably still worth
slow marsh
With 50s vendettas and the snapshot bug it would actually be even more important to hit shiv the second it's off cd
storm forum
letting rup fall off is definitely the worst but it was a personal issue I had before I was an okay player where I would try to squeeze in 3 envenoms even if my DoTs fell off or I just died to a mechanic I should have avoided
slow marsh
Rupture falling is only kinda worth if you're in shiv + vendetta
Still wouldn't recommend
muted ivy
well maybe if there's a big prio spawn in the next like 5-10 seconds u'd hold
slow marsh
Depends on the prio spawn
amber fossil
hard to tell if yall are being sarcastic or giving advise lol
slow marsh
There isn't any currently afaik that's worth holding for
muted ivy
not in Sanc, but next tier looks like there'll be some prio dmg needed
slow marsh
Yeah 9.2 might change it up because of 2p value we'll see
It's just with a 25s cd + aoe proc and full sending vend it's hard to think you would ever hold it
muted ivy
but outside of like situational needs like that just press it on CD no thinking
storm forum
I think the last time I held shiv for a prio add was heroic hivemind
slow marsh
Cuz you miss the chance to get double shiv on vendetta'd bleeds
sterile sail
With 50s vendettas and the snapshot bug it would actually be even more important...
I was actually wondering about this. How is the 4p gonna fuck with syncing Vendetta/Flag
I mean obviously right now we may be Night Fae but
slow marsh
The most likely outcome in my opinion is that we full send vend and flag whenever they're up
And if it's within 10 you sync
sterile sail
Hopefully vendetta's are closer to 45 seconds and we are Night Fae
A man can dream right 🥺
kindred rapids
With snapshotting will you need to reapply bleeds immediately after casting vendetta? Cuz that sounds kinda clunky.
obtuse robin
nf 
slow marsh
It's gonna be weird cuz you obviously want the vers for vend + shiv but some of the haste is getting wasted
slow marsh
It is
gusty mirage
and it always has been
the only reason anyone played fae early was because the soulbinds were stupidly good
slow marsh
It does good damage though
gusty mirage
It does good damage though
slow marsh
Little bit yeah
muted ivy
I want more bleeds and poisons 
sterile sail
I meant 2 typed 4
sterile sail
Okay now you want to talk about an ability no one wants to play
gusty mirage
sterile sail
Nty
gusty mirage
ER would be sick if seal fate didn't exist
slow marsh
The thing about flag that I have my skeptical crazy troll eye on is that some of the haste is getting wasted in vendetta
slow marsh
Because you would rather have the haste for after vendetta to speed up dusk
But you want the vers during
It's weird
balmy condor
slow marsh
And 1min 10 sec flags vs 50s vendetta
muted ivy
ER is for Sub, Flagg is for Sub and Sin, Sepsis is for Sin 
slow marsh
Yes very tin foil of me but wouldn't be the first time I went tin foil
gusty mirage
ER is for Sub, Flagg is for Sub and Sin, Sepsis is for Sin <:yep:745625880348590...
sepsis is for dumpster
where it belongs
gusty mirage
https://tenor.com/view/trash-know-your-place-gif-12886026
TRUE
slow marsh
<@!409626135408803841> types kyrian rogue unironically sometimes
You're not wrong
muted ivy
where's cev when you need him 
bleak sky
the only reason anyone played fae early was because the soulbinds were stupidly ...
cringe pod :kreygasm:
slow marsh
pre nerfed burrs
pallid bough
@gusty mirage green name Pog
slow marsh
no cuz i wouldn't be here
pallid bough
Not p2w red name anymore Oxi
slow marsh
green oxi hits different in a good way tho
thorny pond
Finally someone in the degen crew made it
gusty mirage
Finally someone in the degen crew made it
wdym whispyr made it all the way to the orange crew
thorny pond
mean people like me and @slow marsh have a chance
slow marsh
dibs on next
slow marsh
I would just private message my cringe crazy science experiments instead of posting them here
ezpz
thorny pond
why
slow marsh
why not
slow marsh
oh idc if people hear the crazy
but if i'm green i have to contain it or i would be too powerful
slow marsh
sure it is
thorny pond
Like you could tell the top side of an APL from the hairs on yer ass
slow marsh
I'm a figure it out as you go kind of guy imagine what I could do if I actually nerded out and learned the matrix hacks like i've been thinking of doing
arctic walrus
if you played rogue in 9.0 it literally didn't matter what covenant you were
you were throwing regardless cuz you were playing a rogue
thorny pond
yea because you were on the bench
gusty mirage
you were throwing regardless cuz you were playing a rogue
true
balmy condor
NF isn't that far off
:) it's okay, there's overrides now so I'm doing a whole set of 50% 2piece sims on monday/tuesday probably
and fae will die
thorny pond
god damnit
obtuse robin
bronze pike
and fae will die
and if fae doesnt die
would you start farming animal soul shapes :3c
kind talon
and if fae doesnt die
Fae will die
slow marsh
fae soulbinds aren't strong enough to keep it alive
ornate gazelle
Are there mage tower timers/notification weakauras anywhere? I tried making my own from wowhead but they didn't seem to work. Plus I'm terrible at making weakauras
gusty mirage
Are there mage tower timers/notification weakauras anywhere? I tried making my o...
there ya go
balmy condor
^
ornate gazelle
Fury?
balmy condor
fury mage tower is the same
toxic estuary
yea
balmy condor
oh true
gusty mirage
that's the one I used though
balmy condor
and got confused
ornate gazelle
as long as the WA is correct, it's all good
bleak sky
and fae will die
don't kill the fairies 
ornate gazelle
author just has to rename
slow marsh
don't kill the fairies <:Toxic:585733851591081984>
they're gonna do it themselves
⚰️
thorny pond
Living the dream
bleak sky
what's the latest news on the streets fellow kids?
set way too strong, expect nerfs
dust prob 2nd leggo(M+); dusk for raid as it stands (but not for long because set nerfs)
edit: dust, not dusK i'm dumb af
nf good because set
so it's all up in the air
thorny pond
set way too strong, expect nerfs
dust prob 2nd leggo(M+); dusk for raid as it st...
Dusk Obe is the dream boat.
If it were an anime, I’d ship them
dawn ivy
i dont think 2pc nerf will nerf dusk too much
1min vendetta/flag was pog from the very start
slow marsh
2p nerf will hurt shadowdust. dusk is still the play most likely
i'd like to see a shadowdust meta i feel the plays could be fun
dawn ivy
i dislike dust being used outside of prepull shenanigans
just doesnt add a good flavor to my kit
slow marsh
18 seconds of shiv inside of vend tho
dawn ivy
does vanish reduce the cd of vanish
slow marsh
no that's why it wont get played xD
slow marsh
if the bug stays it's not providing that much more use anyways since we'll already be able to get two shivs on 4p bleeds
just one wont be in vendetta
dawn ivy
yeah i honestly gotta get on ptr and get used to that 4pc and the "bug"
slow marsh
yeah quit playing sub
dawn ivy
played with it and it feels....off every time. i need the apl to tell me at what seconds left of vendetta i should be reapplying garrote/rupture
slow marsh
yeah fair
it's weird i've been trying out different stuff every fight
it really sucks not being able to play with double leggo though since we get so much from it
dawn ivy
ideally id think you try to get a full pandemic garrote and rupture right as vendetta falls, so id think you pop a garrote at 7 seconds of vendetta left just to reup it right at the end
and that would be refreshing yet anxious new layer of urgency with this tier
or maybe it doesnt matter nearly as much 🤞 and you just mongo bongo bleeds and just sorta throw shit around
slow marsh
but pandemic is different in vendetta
muted ivy
I'd okay with that being a small increase, but not doing it being noticeably worse would suck
dawn ivy
its a much smaller pandemic due to it being so rushed so maybe the extra few seconds of them wouldnt matter in the long run who knows
the greenies (and whisypr) in their high ivory tower drip feed us with numbers
while they feast on their sims and permutations and other smart words i cant think of
slow marsh
well empowered garrote ends roughly around vendetta falling off so it's just refresh garrote as it falls off then get a rupture back up right whne vend is ending
bleak sky
oh shit
dawn ivy
thats the perferred method
slow marsh
the hard part is when you factor CT in
bleak sky
I just saw that I typed DusK and not dusT
slow marsh
since it seems we'll be running that
dawn ivy
you dont.
bleak sky
I'm dumb dumb
bleak sky
ya
dawn ivy
its dusk miles ahead
dawn ivy
LOL
slow marsh
lol
dawn ivy
ahhh gotcha yeah idk about m+
slow marsh
yeah dust is really good for m+ but i think dusk would still win out just bc sheer power of vendetta 4p synergy
dawn ivy
its an akward timing thing, i wanted to get back into m+ but dust sounds kinda off to me
dawn ivy
yeah dust is really good for m+ but i think dusk would still win out just bc she...
hope so
plus you get so much more energy to spend in aoe
slow marsh
dusk performs even better in multi yeah
slow marsh
The pantheon fight was nutty
as much as people will maybe wnat to go zold for p3, i think dusk value is insane with multi target outside of vend
slow marsh
i mean necro would probs be fine i still think it'd be necro dusk though
dawn ivy
maybe
slow marsh
especially if they do the sire bug during p2
dawn ivy
as far as CT goes Im going to personally NEED an apl rule to learn because keeping garrote/rupture/CT up while also keeping up SnD with envenom and actually GETTING decent envenom uptime
its not even an energy issue but a GCD issue i think
dawn ivy
but i agree CT looks nuts for a decent number of fights for overall
slow marsh
i'm sure it goes down a bit with 50% 2p instead of 100 but it simmed i think 20 dps shy of PB
dawn ivy
maybe we just forget about envenom uptime in that scenario
slow marsh
yeah i mean in multi for sure
dawn ivy
yeah im really rooting for the 2pc nerf to be just nerfed perfectly to be strong op, but not so strong ct is bis LOL
hollow river
Same I think I see it happening
slow marsh
I mean I'd say it much more confidently like I was before but it understandably irritated some people
dawn ivy
whispyr actually mentioned that MFD might be dead
due to the optimizations of dusk
making DS maybe better
hollow river
people just need to get with the times
dawn ivy
but then like you said MFD makes CT a little easier to use, so if we drop mfd CT might be a little more annoying
hollow river
if CT does dam we go CT. big pump
slow marsh
it's possible but i think with CT and having such a hard time as it is to keep slice up i think it'll be in the mix still
yeah
CT WILL be annoying AF without mfd
hollow river
i don't find it hard to keep SnD up
umbral rapids
Why do you have a hard time keepin slice up?
hollow river
in ST? it's not hard at all imo
umbral rapids
I haven’t played sin in ages tbh
slow marsh
because you have to keep three bleeds up during vendetta since they are higher prio than envenom in shiv
hollow river
in 2-3 target cleave i could see where you're coming from
but you'd still just refresh SnD > refreshing a dot
hollow river
ahh i see where you're coming from now
umbral rapids
Hmm
hollow river
the 4p effect could make it troublesome feeling
slow marsh
Because it's possible that reapplying bleed > keeping slice up if in vendetta
hollow river
but if we're opening with garrote anyway
umbral rapids
Ok
hollow river
couldn't you just gar -> mut -> SnD
to get a longer duration that'll last through Vend
slow marsh
yeah that's what i've been doing and it's better but you feel even more starved in opener before flag
hollow river
or Gar-x2 w/e
dawn ivy
the reason people are having issues with it all i think is because we're still trying to get good envenom uptime BUT ALSO gett all those dots rolling
hollow river
well lust openers won't be an issue
umbral rapids
Playing mfd?
slow marsh
yeah I think that the vigor/ds/mfd row is gonna be tight
vigor helps with overcapping in vend too
hollow river
it'd definitely feel slow opening with deeper/mfd
dawn ivy
which is rare
hollow river
which is rare
?
overcapping in Vend with mfd/deeper is extremely easy to do
i can spam my shit and i'm still overcapping
slow marsh
oh you're for sure overcapping in vendetta with 4p + flag
dawn ivy
not commenting on you sorry
hollow river
oh sorry
dawn ivy
yeah I think that the vigor/ds/mfd row is gonna be tight
on this
hollow river
ahh yeye
slow marsh
yes it is rare that's true
dawn ivy
yep
umbral rapids
Yeah with better apl maybe it won’t be close
slow marsh
do we sac flag in favor of optimizing for vend + 4p (i think yes and that's why i'm coping on NF) or optimize for flag to ensure 1min cd
the issue with the nf thing is that venthyr soulbinds are so much better it's not even close
slow marsh
so even if you just full send everything and never sync venth is still looking best by a bit
Like I think that it might end up being just full send vendetta every 50/45 seconds and then feed dusk with flag after every vend and then sync when you can on the 3rd/4th when it naturally lines up
dawn ivy
right now i dont think it does, i think it lines up around 1:03 or something
we wait on flag cd
slow marsh
yeah that's what apl currently does is hold if it's within 20
I want double leggos so i can see how much cdr is getting wasted by doing that
dawn ivy
the vendetta/flag combo is just so strogn every minute when you account for all the vers/haste you have near the very end when you pop another shiv
slow marsh
since there's no easy way to check rn
dawn ivy
the end of your burst might be bigger than the beginning 
umbral rapids
Reminds me of another spec people love….
slow marsh
well yeah but i think by putting flag on the back end of it it could end up being better
By full sending vendetta you #1 get extra casts, #2 stacking haste isn't as bad cuz the flag haste overcap doesn't feel quite as bad #3 your flag haste fills the gap in between vendetta's
it could end up being a nice little cycle the way i have it in my head idk
slow marsh
oh yeah i'm planning on no life-ing it to help get it worked out
gusty mirage
good man
sonic spire
!def
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz
tame stump
What's the best time to use Salvaged Fusion Amp?
Should I save for Vendetta + Vanish? Or just pop it off cooldown?
gloomy knoll
on cd
as long as you get the uptime on it
don't pop it if you're about to be off the boss obviously
tame stump
don't pop it if you're about to be off the boss obviously
oh, of course
gloomy knoll
if you're only going to have 1 more cast of it in the fight
you can line it up with your last vendetta / flag
for a little bit of extra damage
but that's about it
tame stump
but that's about it
that makes sense - thank you!
earnest hare
what level frost shards do i need to have for it to overcome lvl 5 unholy set?
balmy condor
Usually 3 if you have good gear should be equal or better, 4 for sure wins
placid pagoda
i thought there was a pinned note about the legion gear but i cant find it?
rigid mango
is, has and always will be
gusty mirage
is, has and always will be
vestal wren
its possibly not limited to belt
but belt is def. a solid options because it does not conflict with tier/domination
last imp
are there still gonna be dom slots next tier tho
vestal wren
domination gems did work in raid testing
there won't be new ones, but its possible that we use 1-2 old ones if they don't change that
last imp
oh interesting
rigid mango
<a:hug:585734082189590528>
thorny pond
oh interesting
% damage is always good. Just if the gear piece is also good it goes in and doesn’t limit our tier or lego
vast glacier
Are there any signs for NF being better for Asassin in 9.2 than it is now?
hollow river
the way things look atm it could be better than it is now, yeah
but i dunno if sepsis being buffed by the tier bonus is meant to happen, it could likely be a bug afaik
vast glacier
Of course we cannot have any exact data, but thanks for the info =-)
hollow river
just pop your head in from time to time, check the pins or ask
we've just gotta wait n see what happens
still looking like venthyr will be the main cov choice though for sure
maybe necro for some of the heavier AoE fights
vast glacier
Thanks!
glad turtle
hey guys i've not played assa before and seem to be lacking a bit of dps for the mage tower
can any1 tell me some simple stuff like if i crimson tempest 2 targets, should i be multi dotting or envenoming during vendetta, etc
also does this look right?
gusty mirage
can any1 tell me some simple stuff like if i crimson tempest 2 targets, should i...
Keep up ruptures, crimson tempest, and garrotes on all 3. Vanish on cooldown so you can utilize subterfuge for a bit more damage from garrote. Envenom is going to be your filler finisher, you only cast it if there isn’t a bleed that needs to be refreshed
Sin mage tower is more about survival than dps, and keeping up bleeds will buff both of those for you thanks to leeching poison
glad turtle
oh lmao i just read subterfuge that its a huge garrote buff
i hadn't been vanishing at all
gusty mirage
It’s a rough one because overlaps can get SUPER toxic sometimes
glad turtle
yeah ive hit jarl enrage once
got him down this time but just got slapped by sygrin
cos he gets buffed dmg at 6:30 too i think
gusty mirage
You can cloak everything outside of jarl’s abilities
Yeah at that point you might be better off just letting Sigryn sit a full blind
glad turtle
ye thats true actually
gusty mirage
Also SL drums work in the mage tower and lock cookies work too
Great for oh shit moments
glad turtle
ye got drums and unbridleds
uh
only other thing
if i can only hit 2 targets do i crimson tempest or not
gusty mirage
Yeah
gusty mirage
No problem 
you got this
glad turtle
this one has tilted me harder than any i've done somehow
even holy priest and guardian druid
gusty mirage
Yeah the sin tower overlaps made me not even bother with the others 
I wanted to punch my monitor at times
gusty mirage
Also I learned the hard way to never greed the valkyr lines and stuff
glad turtle
but assa is definitely making me reconsider
gusty mirage
I just firmly stood in the middle
glad turtle
ye i hate those walls
gusty mirage
And I’d just cloak one of the mechanics if I had to
Like sometimes it’s not worth trying to get that last rune
glad turtle
atm i only have cloak on the 5:30 triple overlap
so i can sit there afk in the wall breaking the shiel
d
gusty mirage
Yeppers
gusty mirage
limber lion
subtle tundra
Yeah the sin tower overlaps made me not even bother with the others <:kekl:75361...
that is the guardian one for me
done all dps ones, have heal and tank left
boreal cloud
Pretty new to ass, how do I sync shiv with mfd and vendetta? Do I use shiv on CD and just wait 10s before casting next vendetta?
gusty mirage
Pretty new to ass, how do I sync shiv with mfd and vendetta? Do I use shiv on CD...
You’d hold shiv for vendetta if it’s coming off cd that close
As for mfd you hold it if flag is coming off CD in 15s or less. Otherwise you just slam mfd on cd
At 0cp
boreal cloud
so dont sync shyv and mfd at all?
thorny pond
They line up passively pretty often
Mfd hold condition is flag
If you hold for for flag you’ll get 1 per minute with shiv anyways
fading wigeon
anyone else having issues finding people with Vault keys lol
it might be an alliance problem
thorny pond
The second one is desynced like 2-3sec iirc. So typically you’ll have mechanics or something anyways that naturally line it up
thorny pond
it might be an alliance problem
Both sides. It’s holiday season. Everyone did their stuff already for TWing and are not playing in general
And I think there aren’t many specs with upgrades. 2/3 of our class is take it or leave it as it is
uneven hamlet
my tier is "done" I dunno if is worth to spend my time to farm the trinket and ring for the next tier
odd heath
my tier is "done" I dunno if is worth to spend my time to farm the trinket and r...
same here, will only farm next legion timewalking for 9.2 tbh
timid cloud
It lasts for like an entire month.
If you can’t get the trinket in a month Alliance with its shortcomings or not...
gusty mirage
I like doing more damage whether or not the tier is done 
if you don’t feel like it I don’t blame you. It was miserable
subtle tundra
i am miserable
slow marsh
O.o
cerulean nest
And I think there aren’t many specs with upgrades. 2/3 of our class is take it o...
literally lol
BIS is whatever you have equipped
cerulean nest
I like doing more damage whether or not the tier is done <:peeposhrug:6573822669...
did you finally get it?
gusty mirage
I did
slow marsh
His does more damage than mine so he got a special one
cerulean nest
premium edition?
slow marsh
Premium countermeasure
halcyon zealot
it might be an alliance problem
am alliance too, got it on my ~55th run, just make sure your TW key is always a 2 also so you can re roll at the end that helps a little bit, but yeah alliance LFG is as dry as my DMs
grand ridge
I feel like we are near the end of the tier, and it might be better to wait for next tier to get one and upgrade it to the higher item level
halcyon zealot
cope however u want 🤷🏻♂️ if there’s a dps upgrade i want it lol
brazen zodiac
Cope lold
halcyon zealot
stilll got like 1/2 months of farm
winter vapor
@gusty mirage for mage tower are you using vend on CD at all or holding it as a panic button?
gusty mirage
I used it on cd
winter vapor
ta
fading wigeon
am alliance too, got it on my ~55th run, just make sure your TW key is always a ...
Thanks man I will do that
inland heath
any bis trinket for assa on legion ?
inland heath
k ty
muted ivy
Only other thing is Auto attack ring from Court of Stars, but that one isn’t as big an upgrade I think
limber lion
Around 80 dps for me, would recommend grinding it out if you have the time to do so :p
timid cloud
^^^
muted ivy
would def recommend farming them during Fort weeks as well
both those dungeons on Tyran can be a bitch
limber lion
Yeh especially if you're doing higher keys
It gets a bit spicy because the tuning is kinda dank
But if you're grinding out 2's, it shouldn't be too bad either way
muted ivy
yee
fading wigeon
am alliance too, got it on my ~55th run, just make sure your TW key is always a ...
it didnt let me reroll at the end
inner pier
is, has and always will be
ty
muted ivy
it didnt let me reroll at the end
is your key the same lvl or lower as the one you ran?
halcyon zealot
it didnt let me reroll at the end
if you make sure your tw key is a 2 you should be able to re roll it by talking to the npc at the end of any key that’s +2 or higher shrug
fading wigeon
is your key the same lvl or lower as the one you ran?
its a 2, so ended up with a 5 at the end
but when I talked to the broker, he didnt have an option
muted ivy
what is your key
halcyon zealot
oh if it’s your key you ran you cant re roll it
muted ivy
^
fading wigeon
oh lol
damn it
gotcha
ok so run 2s with other people
and then reroll mine
sorry i miunderstood
muted ivy
haha, ur good
fading wigeon
ok thats a great strat thanks
muted ivy
honestly anything under 10 shouldn't be too bad
fading wigeon
yeah thats fair
muted ivy
but having your key on 2 just makes sure you can reroll it
fading wigeon
thanks you guys
dark token
Yeah I didn't have enough valor for that strat so I stuck to 15s but went from 0-5k valor just farming +2s so
Without ever seeing a trinket
So just stick to +2
timid cloud
Can confirm.
I’ve seen many a gentlemen in this channel in the queue for them.
Think I even did a few courts with good option. Or maybe it was vault...
It’s all a blur.
Save yourself the time, unless you’re super pressed for doing the weekly keys as well.
fading wigeon
All my other upgrades come from mythic sylv. So don't mind spamming 2s. Way more time efficient
crude forge
Best ven soulbind for assa?
crude forge
Gotcha, is it rng to get crit?
dawn ivy
dont worry about focusing on anything specific
focus on ilvl, once you start getting into a lot of options for gear, then you can sim on raidbots.com and it will tell which gear to use. crit/haste is a blanket statement, but theres always room for mastery/vers
gusty mirage
Yep, every time you get a new drop utilize top gear
and then droptimizer to see what you should target next
crude forge
ahh okay okay, cheers will do
marble hemlock
is, has and always will be
This is the comment you return to the spec channel for?
Really?
gusty mirage
also when I say "the worst" and such just want to say relative to the available buffs you can get from the tea. By no means is 3% agility bad or anything, just not as much dps as crit/haste/vers teas @crude forge 🙂
rigid mango
This is the comment you return to the spec channel for?
I do this all the time you just don't see it
marble hemlock
Yeah no
I checked your last posts in here
5 posts in half a year
And then you return for vulpera
Smh
muted ivy
Vulpera is BiS also especially because you can set your camp right outside the raid and never have to worry about walking there
limber lion
Vulpera bis
rigid mango
cerulean nest
lol what
oak sky
Vulpera bis
gusty mirage
Vulpera is BiS also especially because you can set your camp right outside the r...
demand a summon like the chad that you are
cerulean nest
NF vulpera mace offhand?
gusty mirage
What a time to be alive
I'd rather not
muted ivy
gusty mirage
if NF becomes bis by some act of voodoo magic I'm rerolling
and its your fault Cev
limber lion
if NF becomes bis by some act of voodoo magic I'm rerolling
As long as you reroll a kyrian bear then it's fine
:')
But no worries, sepsis is long gone after the 2p nerf hits the servers
gusty mirage
As long as you reroll a kyrian bear then it's fine
I'll be like your little brother brought along to raids because mom told you that you have to bring me
limber lion
I'll be like your little brother brought along to raids because mom told you tha...
Except you'll be useful, also my brother is a bitch
Jk love him
muted ivy
gusty mirage
Then you have a lot in common because I also love you
pure sinew
Can you see exactly how many casts of shivs you missed in logs or do you just have to do some division
subtle tundra
mathematic king
dawn kelp
anyone have a good rupture tracking WA
limber lion
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
limber lion
Afenar has good weak auras, just snatch the rupture one and delete the rest
dawn kelp
thats perfect thanks!
inland hull
Oh snap oxi is green now?!
I headed out to pretend to be a bear tank for a few weeks, so I missed it
wheat cedar
sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but does anyone know if they made leggo memories 100% drop rate now?
limber lion
They did yes.
wheat cedar
thank you ❤️
limber lion
:')
inland hull
With the current setup of the 2 pc bonus on the ptr, is it still looking like "slam shiv on cooldwn" or be more strategic with the use?
limber lion
Even more about spamming because it's so good now
gusty mirage
yeah it makes missing a cast even worse
inland hull
That's got me pumped. Gonna make shiv feel like an actual CD
Too much to hope that blizzard just says "fuck it, it's the last patch, let it go live"?
solid venture
inland hull
With dom shards going away and bleeds/ poisons being pushed with these set bonuses, does it look like we're going to change stat prio to more haste?
drifting cloud
ilvl best stat
marble hemlock
With dom shards going away and bleeds/ poisons being pushed with these set bonus...
Unlikely. Haste isn't so much a throughput increase, as its value arises mostly from the added energy generation through Venomous Wounds procs. The 4pc, if anything, is likely to lower the value of Haste as it is a fairly significant increase to our energy generation.
The actual raw-damage gain from Haste due to faster ticking Bleeds/Poisons is fairly minor, and all other stats would do more to directly increase the damage of those abilities
limber lion
Any mastery gamers in the chat
obtuse robin
and with the change to the 2pc even less unlikely
odd heath
crit mastery gang 9.2 inc
inland hull
Damn it's nice to have such a solid class/spec Discord
obtuse robin
spice spire
Any mastery gamers in the chat
Bro
frosty cedar
esketit
gusty mirage
i hate sub
bro?
thorny pond
You good oxi?
gusty mirage
is everything okay? 
gusty mirage
You good oxi?
good you?
inland hull
Pfft... Keys don't even go that high. Right guys?
strange python
i hate sub
legend
subtle tundra
Pfft... Keys don't even go that high. Right guys?
its all a fever dream, im actually playing assa and doing wf keys 25s
inland hull
I timed an 18 once. Once. You're a legend as far as I'm concerned.
subtle tundra
as long as you play a lot and play to push everybody can get very high
(and you can learn)
gaunt halo
I feel like no matter how good you play with assasination in keys, people will always go "but what if you went sub?"
subtle tundra
i pushed 2875 rio as assa and youre right, i was always thinking "what if i were sub"
kind talon
as long as you play a lot and play to push everybody can get very high
Or just smoke and get very high with much less effort
gaunt halo
I honestly never really thought about it that way. Like i'm content with where i'm at with assa. But I always feel like I'm letting the others down by sticking with it
subtle tundra
not necessarily time more keys, but more invites from pugs
kind talon
I feel like no matter how good you play with assasination in keys, people will a...
Yeah, that’s just how it is if you play a class or spec that isn’t meta
But it literally doesn’t matter
marble hemlock
not necessarily
kind talon
Unless you are pushing higher keys
subtle tundra
i played sub one day and 3 people added me to battlenet
marble hemlock
some classes/specs are not meta but still perform really well
i.e. warr/warlock atm
problem with assa is that it actually is just plain worse than sub atm
subtle tundra
shit like that really matters on high keys
subtle tundra
ok but in top assa is pogging
kind talon
Outlaw is great for top
marble hemlock
but yeah
kind talon
So is assa
subtle tundra
i guess more people have played outlaw so they are better on it
marble hemlock
to play it in lower keys
subtle tundra
// nobody has played assa in keys before kek
marble hemlock
but once you hit like 28s/29s youre kinda starving for the sub stuff
kind talon
Yeah
marble hemlock
kind talon
I’d say even 27s
inland hull
I like sub funnel, but I prefer the feel to sin for pure ST
kind talon
26 and 27 stuff starts hitting rlly hard
And u rlly notice sub
Melting prio targets
subtle tundra
unfortunately , sub aoe is strictly better than assa aswell
so assa is only better at 2-3T cleave
which isnt that much
kind talon
Top
inland hull
Shrunken Tornado after the crit change just makes that aoe pump for 5+
kind talon
Pogga
gaunt halo
Has anyone gotten to test the cos trinket for m+ after the target cap nerf?
kind talon
It’s terrible
gaunt halo
Oh no
gaunt halo
Maybe I should've asked sooner
marble hemlock
still does a good 4-5% of your damage
kind talon
Mastery stat tho
gaunt halo
Well yeah might be fine. I'm mainly looking for a good aoe trinket since decanter isn't really great
kind talon
It’s fine for AoE trinket I guess
marble hemlock
its still a decent trinket on 4-5t aoe
its just not broken on large pulls anymore
where stat trinkets would be better
gaunt halo
What's a good alternative? I'm currently running iqd most of the time, but the 3 min cd doesn't feel great
kind talon
Gland and decanter
gaunt halo
Ah yeah gland
kind talon
Yeah it’s really good
inland hull
The trinket from Vault is amazing though. Brittle was my top damage on first boss in PF 15 last night. I'm hoping that I'm not stuck regrinding that next patch when ilvls increase.
Maybe just a ST trinket, but damn it's nice
gaunt halo
Yeah with that one I'm sitll scared they'll nerf it and farming it will be a timewaste
kind talon
Decanter from soulrender is also really good I think
oak sky
You definitely just go gland or an st trinket
kind talon
Idk if it’s better than gland for m+
gaunt halo
I mean for m+ it depends a lot on the dungeon and your role in the comp i guess
kind talon
Gland and decanter are kinda the same
Just passive
Stats
Decanter sims super high in dslice tho
gaunt halo
I don't trust dslice for some reason. M+ is all feelcraft and/or looking at what other people use
marble hemlock
m+ is just very situational, and its basically impossible to accurately model every situation. so you need to combine your knowledge of what sims do and apply that knowledge and the findings with your gameplay knowledge to make as informed of a decision as possible
kind talon
For gear
But if you have a 252 decanter I can tell you it’s never a bad decision
It has no downside; and the uptime is high enough to ignore arguments about rng
gaunt halo
I'm pretty lacking when it comes to raid gear. But getting gland should be doable
kind talon
Yeah gland is pretty powerful for how easily accessible it is
gaunt halo
vial and iqd is still nice I'm just not a fan of iqds long cd. I feel I either hold onto it too long or waste it
kind talon
Vial?
gaunt halo
*phial
marble hemlock
It has no downside; and the uptime is high enough to ignore arguments about rng
well, it has a downside
which would be crit passive
marble hemlock
ideally youd get your gland to hit versa, not crit
for max versa
but thats quite hard with the gear we have available from raid
gaunt halo
So no overcapping on crit? Was kinda wondering if it's worthwhile to go past 1k
kind talon
Not rlly worth getting a ton of crit for m+
gaunt halo
My train of thought was: more crit > more cp to funnel, but yeah I guess that's irrelevant at a decent pull size
Like I said my M+ gearing is a lot of feelcrafting so it's interesting to hear other peoples views
kind talon
Basically, value of crit is super important for ST
Haste as well
But in aoe you want some versa and a bit of mastery too
So you want a little bit of everything basically
bleak sky
Getting vers tea on m+ 
kind talon
subtle tundra
Getting vers tea on m+ <:happy:585741987592798208>
anything but agility tyvm
bleak sky
Me when I equip my KT pants and sylvanas belt
I wish I had kt pants
kind talon
bleak sky
Kt loot doesn't exist
kind talon
spice spire
slow marsh
Like I said my M+ gearing is a lot of feelcrafting so it's interesting to hear o...
Na our dslice Sims are really good
balmy condor
Na our dslice Sims are really good
keen garden
I've noticed a lot of sin rogues in high m+ ranks running doomblade, is this a thing just because ultra high keys need the boss damage or does DB work fine compared to zol?
slow marsh
Someone has put some decent hours into it to be good
sterile sail
Why play Assassination in keys 🤔
balmy condor
I've noticed a lot of sin rogues in high m+ ranks running doomblade, is this a t...
Doomblade was sort of the single target option during last season but most people play obedience if they want more single target these days
slow marsh
Practice for 9.2 meta
balmy condor
I don’t really hear anyone playing doomblade these days
slow marsh
Where sin is best spec for keys
sterile sail
Where sin is best spec for keys
I mean if Sin stays the way it is
Isn't it just broken
balmy condor
Nah
keen garden
ah k
balmy condor
Still worse than sub tier atm
Both will get nerfed
But with current tuning you wouldn’t play sin 
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
sterile sail
Still worse than sub tier atm
Ah true
slow marsh
Obedience + finality seems p good for sub keys
sterile sail
Plus in AoE you just always get 6 CP finishers for 24% chance of proc
nocturne geode
i was reading in tc reasearch the pandemic timers are shortened so what would be the new refresh rules?
next tier*
slow marsh
Tbd ATM
gusty mirage
i was reading in tc reasearch the pandemic timers are shortened so what would be...
most likely half of what they're at now
slow marsh
Yeah
I think it's only super important if the snapshotting stays
But yes I think the idea would be to refresh gar at 2s and rup at 3 right before vendetta ends
gusty mirage
but what if you don't carry the decimal place & multiply it by the squareroot of -1??
umbral rapids
Sick interview guys ! 
umbral rapids
Fun read
balmy condor
but what if you don't carry the decimal place & multiply it by the squareroot of...
you get imaginary numbers
gusty mirage
you get imaginary numbers
like the number you gave me when I asked for your digits? 
gusty mirage
cinder topaz
Is Doomblade only obtainable from Torghast, Tower of the Damned. Mort'regar, Layer 3+ ? (For a guaranteed drop - not including the random memory grind in Korthia)
nocturne geode
most likely half of what they're at now
thx oxi
spice spire
Is Doomblade only obtainable from Torghast, Tower of the Damned. Mort'regar, Lay...
That or shattered corridors, have to keep rerolling until you get mortregar
balmy condor
or the legendary unlock item from korthia
cinder topaz
That or shattered corridors, have to keep rerolling until you get mortregar
Oh I wasn't aware you could bait that in TC - thank you !
fathom flax
or the legendary unlock item from korthia
This is the way
With my fresh toons I just run the dungeons on heroic, get the legos from + campaign and all the easy ones plus any from torghast for that week their research into legendary unlocks
limber swallow
you can also just buy them from your covenant for grateful offerings.
fathom flax
2000 research > 35 offerings
limber swallow
as in, easier to get?
because, sure.. I just have a shitload of offerings sitting around on my toons
limber swallow
but yea, with the korthia research boost, it's much faster to get them that way.
fathom flax
Fashion is the true endgame
limber swallow
totally agree there.. it's the only thing they never nerf... oh wait...
cerulean nest
is sub like way ahead? in the current tier set look?
brazen zodiac
time to learn sub
dawn ivy
i mean chances are, if sin 2pc is getting nerfed for being too strong, sub is also going to be nerfed
slow marsh
I imagine they will land around the same area /fingerscrossed
dawn ivy
we gotta see where the numbers lie when new build comes out in april 🙂
slow marsh
the best part about the 2p rework is that it's fairly easy to tune up and down
dawn ivy
the sub set is a little more difficult to tune i think
slow marsh
yeah
dawn ivy
i guess the easiest would be to reduce 2pc to like 3 or 4 seconds
but that wouldnt be much
they would HAVE to nerf the % chance
slow marsh
it's esp hard to tune when we can't test double leggo s
dawn ivy
btu then that would feel awful
slow marsh
yeah it's already a lottery i hear
sub also has their trademark cringe prepulls which you can't really account for in tuning
dawn ivy
it still happens somewhat frequently, but if you nerf it even a little bit more, it will not only be worse, it will just feel worse never seeing it proc/not expecting it to proc, which would make you waste some of it sometimes
balmy condor
sub also has their trademark cringe prepulls which you can't really account for ...
looking kinda dead in 9.2 btw
dawn ivy
oh rly?
timid cloud
Bless up.
Yeah, Whispyr made a clickbait post about it.
They fell for it & so it's getting gutted.
balmy condor
sub is looking at rotten for 9.2
slow marsh
ew
timid cloud
WHOA
balmy condor
but where is whispyrs post about prepul stuff
I don't have one
slow marsh
rotten is weird to me if you have really high blades uptime but what do i know
balmy condor
it's for the cp
slow marsh
like intentionally overcapping to proc?
balmy condor
I mean with blades you will overcap 1 cp maybe
but it's feeding more dance
more 4 pc
doesn't really have anything to do with blades other than just giving more 2 set chances
slow marsh
i see
lean wing
hello its possible to do mage tower as rogue with 200 ilvl ?
gray fjord
If you're doing the Assassination fight in the tower, the Ravaged Seed Pod is a worthwhile item to farm if you want to make the fight a lot easier.
First boss of Emerald Nightmare
lean wing
nythendra trinket ?
lean wing
kk
bleak sky
maybe this one as well?
there's a guy on youtube uploading broken trinkets to do mage tower with
but idk anything about that
gray fjord
I've never even heard of that one, but seeing as they help for 10 minutes on a 1 hr CD I'm sure that's obscene. xD
A timeless Isle trinket no less, hm. Interesting.
Double Crusader enchant is pretty crazy if you're having a hard time surviving, but to comfortably do the assassination fight you need about 1.1k DPS without using immunities and heavy defensive trinkets at the end since the overlaps get really bad past 6 minutes ish
gray fjord
Yeah that's a lot of extra stats, but the effect doesn't work
lean wing
aha
and what about azerite gear
i think thats allso good stats
you can craft azerite pieces with socket
i think
limber lion
You can do the mage tower without any cheesy things. Most cheesy things mentioned are not as giga as people make them out to he honestly, but combining a bunch of them definitely makes for an easier time. :p
limber lion
you can craft azerite pieces with socket
No you cannot and no, azeirte gear is not worth it.
gray fjord
Like Cev mentioned, you'd really need a lot of cheesy gear to make a huge difference. Trinkets and weapons are maybe the two exceptions to that since on old weapons you can put really strong enchants, and some trinkets just do really really well.
limber lion
Yeh just like Zera said, just don’t expect to get a trinket and suddenly oneshot the challengw, still need quite a bit of practice to get it down.
gray fjord
Assassination's challenge requires a pretty high amount of uptime on your DoTs and CC management more than anything. I've done all 3 rogue ones at this point and it's definitely the one that requires paying attention to doing the most stuff at the same time. Keeping Rupture/Garrote on all 3 bosses is what will let you have enough energy to keep your Crimson Tempest up as much as possible. A blind focus macro for Sigryn is super useful too if you don't have one yet (As an additional note when you Blind Sigryn to stop her Blood of the Father ability, it DOES remove all your DoTs on her so focus mainly on keeping garrote/rupture on the Jarl and the Runeseer)
balmy condor
@gray fjord large ventilator
gray fjord
o.o ?
gray fjord
balmy condor
timid cloud
spice spire
<@117802493454450697> large ventilator
Some might even call me a super fan of yours, mr. whíspyr
balmy condor
Some might even call me a super fan of yours, mr. whíspyr
A super fan?
Gratz on making it to the MCU broski
slow marsh
Y'all be on one
spice spire
Gratz on making it to the MCU broski
Nah Mr. bezos just told me I was ur number one fan so it has to be true
Sorry king
spice spire
Y'all be on one
When am I (personally) not tho
arctic hare
So uh
how do I get the christmas tree dagger?
That, is a thing isn't it?
Jesus, if I so much as try to buy it then it would cost 60k gold
nope
brazen zodiac
So you can get flexed on in Sinfall again?
U wish gamer
I'll show u how a woman flexs in sinfall
timid cloud
Lul stick to your cooking game. (She actually plays a cooking game no flamerinos pls.)
That dagger costs 78-700k+ on Area-52
floral shoal
I'm confused, this is dungeon slice Theotar
drifting cosmos
floral shoal
OK, raid season is over for me 🙂
vestal wren
I'm confused, this is dungeon slice Theotar
discord light mode 
mark isn't terrible in dungeon slice
floral shoal
discord light mode <:notlikethis:867819582256185375>
I even have room lights on when I play. Probably because I'm old.
vestal wren
i was just joking, there is nothing wrong with light mode^^
timid cloud
I was not, light mode is for psychopaths.
copper salmon
^this
thorn turtle
ok i decided to disband sublety and join the poison boyos
i need someone to help me with stats and stuff :c
do u go theo or nadjia for m+?
winter vapor
ok i decided to disband sublety and join the poison boyos
Theo for both M+ and raid generally
strange python
how do I get the christmas tree dagger?
What dagger?
winter vapor
Mage tower, is there any way to stop the axes? ie be in melee range or is it a set cast?
thorn turtle
what bout conduits, which are the best ones for m+?
winter vapor
lethal poisons, Well Placed Steel on Tyranical weeks, lashing scars
some folks play with Katar
thorny pond
Mage tower, is there any way to stop the axes? ie be in melee range or is it a s...
Just move slowly backwards in one direction. I kite the caster back towards Jarl so I can always keep bleeds up on 2/3
winter vapor
im afraid I dont understand @thorny pond
thorny pond
If you keep jarl near the outside of the inner circle (the one where runes spawn, etc) you can just basically use that as a path to kite the caster. Just walk backwards slowly and the axes will generally miss you. A lot of hits then just become getting to runes and casting CC
You won’t be in too much danger if you use leeching poison and have your bleeds up on all 3 or even 2. The health orbs spawn frequently enough that you can use those to cover any egregious errors
winter vapor
thanks, i#ll give it a try
thorny pond
The fight is all about control and basically keeping bleeds managed. There are good downtime spots to dump vanish for 3x garrotes and your vendetta. Don’t be afraid to leave the caster during his shield. It’s a long cast and bleeds will carry the majority of it. Shiv when you can and kick. Dodging the valks, CCing the other two, staying alive are imperative there. Worst case scenario you can pop your cloak
winter vapor
right now this fight is about making me feel useless, tbfh. but thanks, I will keep trying
forest mountain
is it worth overcapping by one CP to get a max CP envenom?
or just finisher in general
timid cloud
Negatory.
brazen zodiac
Lul stick to your cooking game. (She actually plays a cooking game no flamerinos...
Dude based
Still tryna find another op player
thorny pond
right now this fight is about making me feel useless, tbfh. but thanks, I will k...
Check out Whispyr's video of it. Just take some mental notes of what he does at certain timings. The fight is always the same. Bosses do x ability at the same time so you can prep for combos.
thorny pond
nice leech
south hollow
cheeky leech
placid radish
gratz
timid cloud
LECHE???
latent marten
I've been playing sub and looking at learning assassination.
How easy is it to pick up assassination?
limber swallow
Sin is probably the easiest spec.
gusty mirage
Fairly easy, there are some sticking points but if you’ve been playing sub properly picking up sim will be easy
vast glacier
As Asassin, should I ever use Ambush from stealth with Master Asassin talent? Or is Mutilate better for this reason?
limber swallow
mutilate
vast glacier
Could you tell me why? =-)
red plaza
Combo points
vast glacier
hmm, got it, thanks
limber swallow
you only use ambush with blindside procs
imho, probably the worst thing about the current sin design
vast glacier
Btw, which guide is better - Icy Veins or Wowhead?
limber swallow
probably wowhead, because it was probably written by people from this channel
thorny pond
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
vast glacier
ah, got it
thorny pond
WoWhead tho
vast glacier
Thank you! =-)
odd hazel
As Asassin, should I ever use Ambush from stealth with Master Asassin talent? Or...
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
strange python
best lego for raiding as a assass rogue please guys ;D
solid venture
dashing scoundrel
strange python
Thank you sooo much Link ;D
strange python
Im vent
solid venture
yea most likely dashing scoundrel then
but doesn't hurt to sim urself to see whats best for your current gearset ^^
sterile sail
Wait if you don't use ambush out of stealth what do you use after Vanish
limber swallow
mutilate
sterile sail
Interesting. Okay
odd hazel
Higher crit chance = more CP
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
sterile sail
!mut
That didn't answer my question for what ability to use, that's why I asked. I guess I should have assumed when it said up to 4 CP my bad
limber lion
Yeah, you rarely vanish at 4-5cp honestly