#assassination

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fleet anchor
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If you wanna read up on it

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Me chatting with Wordup in this channel the other day 😛

zealous marsh
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any ptr gamers

eternal vortex
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is there a way to move WA-s to PTR?

balmy condor
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copy your wtf folder

eternal vortex
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thats it? KEKW

balmy condor
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ye

drifting cloud
eternal vortex
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okay i thought its more complicated

fleet anchor
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It is

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They changed it mechanically some time ago

balmy condor
slow marsh
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another day another ptr pug

drifting cloud
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what is some time ago in this scenario? SL or before 😛

zealous marsh
fleet anchor
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During SL development

drifting cloud
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I see

fleet anchor
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WFT was redesigned like

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3 times at least

balmy condor
fleet anchor
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But like Havoc without DBlades is probably the lowest value of maybe any spec in the game for WFT because they just get nothing out of it other than DW-nerfed white damage

zealous marsh
fleet anchor
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They get maybe 100 DPS or so

zealous marsh
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i might try on those op changes

slow marsh
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op changes aren't in

zealous marsh
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no?

balmy condor
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dusk

drifting cloud
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what about ret and dk?

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in my raids those are the guys that usually dont get it but no clue if its only white damage for them

fleet anchor
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For comparison Assassination almost gets 300 DPS

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From WFT

zealous marsh
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so what i was reading in the pins some daydreaming?

balmy condor
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we don't have double lego on ptr

fleet anchor
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And Sub gets closer to 400 DPS or something

balmy condor
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and the 2 set is still 25% crit

zealous marsh
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shieet

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so many posts and they didn't implement it yet

bronze pike
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i mean it is the holidays

zealous marsh
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not yet

eternal vortex
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they might just put it with the next reset

balmy condor
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they already said no ptr updates until 2022

drifting cloud
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no because they said its the last build

bronze pike
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no more builds until jan cause holidays

zealous marsh
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if i would be their boss i would say no money till 2022

bronze pike
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👀 pretty sus

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unions will be on your arse hard lol

oak sky
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Sucks on unholy

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Think frost might have a proc

bronze pike
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i think killing machine for frost

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especially for tier sets on both

eternal vortex
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oh i thought they will put the latest blue post changes in

bronze pike
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more art of war with windfury which means more potential wake of ashes procs. for dks you get a 15% chance to proc killing machine with every rune you get

strange python
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What's the subterfuge opener without shrouded suff

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Garrote snd garrote? Just deal with low CP?

balmy condor
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garrote snd mut

strange python
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Sin feels soooo nice on ST Zerg like anduin

drifting cloud
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its been 10min

strange python
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I just mean rotationally, set bonus feels really nice on ST bosses

winter vapor
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How long are people leaving blind up before breaking it in mage tower?

balmy condor
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maybe 3 seconds?

drifting cloud
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I wasnt using any rule to it, sometimes I would leave full duration sometzimes id insta break it

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just depends on other stuff happening

winter vapor
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ty both

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not that im ever gonna get past 70% but eh -.-

gusty mirage
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just keep at it 🙂

drifting cloud
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get nythendra trinket, maybe an old item or two, some enchants

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WA for all mechanics

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and just blast

limber lion
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Took me around 10 tries as well going in blind, just take it easy and practice

drifting cloud
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cev has gametime? RHkekw

limber lion
vestal wren
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maybe he did it on ptr

limber lion
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Hah, nah

vestal wren
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missed your chance to hide the truth 😛

limber lion
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Only did Assa though, Sub one is fun so might give that a go when I get back home in a few days

limber lion
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Gotta start prepping soon-ish

vestal wren
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nice!

drifting cloud
bleak sky
gusty mirage
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I told him if he doesn't I'm going to druid simp you instead and he'll be a forgotten memory as you ascend

oak sky
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cev casual raider

placid pagoda
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Am i missing out on big deeps not picking up this legion trinkets / rings i keep reading about?

bleak sky
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sim it to make sure, but the trinket is pretty big

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the ring is also kinda big

placid pagoda
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Okay thanks @bleak sky

limber lion
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I might have to go on a mega-timewalk rampage when I get home

placid pagoda
placid pagoda
limber lion
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It's pretty good yuuuuuup

fleet anchor
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I'll admit I was a little surprised it didn't make their hotfix list

fading wigeon
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I am hoping it gets nerfed soon

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its silly

limber lion
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I was kinda betting on it

gusty mirage
limber lion
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So I wouldn't have to farm it

gusty mirage
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It actually does an obscene amount of damage

limber lion
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But here we are

placid pagoda
fading wigeon
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I am confused how it maded it through the hotfix

gusty mirage
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I got it on number 37

limber lion
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Lelel

fading wigeon
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umm what lol

gusty mirage
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For a funnel

placid pagoda
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So we’re crossing fingers that the trinket gets nerfed then 😅

oak sky
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just get it in vault

gusty mirage
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Farm it

placid pagoda
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😂

gusty mirage
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It’s a better salvaged fusion amp

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Why wouldn’t you farm it

fleet anchor
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I think given that it dodged the nerfs it's gotta be a farm for now

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Like the AoE trinket nerf was 100% expected

placid pagoda
fleet anchor
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I'm not exactly thrilled with it either

gusty mirage
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If they took the time to tune the trinkets and excluded the counter measure

fleet anchor
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That dungeon has gotta be up there as one of my least favorite M+ dungeons

vestal wren
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its a bit too strong in my opinion, i wouldn't mind it being a .5% dps gain

gusty mirage
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Should’ve been all the confirmation you needed

gusty mirage
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It’s like 97 dps vs 180 for me

fleet anchor
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I mean on the other hand it really puts a lot of pressure on raid trinkets next tier, unless they nerf it in the next TW period

gusty mirage
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Which I think is fine

vestal wren
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well yes, thats next season

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and raid trinkets can easy change how relevant it is

fleet anchor
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Fusion Amp is the best trinket we've had so far

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This entire xpac

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And this kinda crushes it

placid pagoda
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@limber lion you back to WoW?

vestal wren
fleet anchor
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I actually think it may even be worse next tier based on the scale it uses

placid pagoda
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What dungeon is it koji?

fleet anchor
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(I mean the difference will be worse)

placid pagoda
fleet anchor
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Vault of the Wardens

vestal wren
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i like vault

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design wise

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but i think the strategy to spam 2 keys is also somewhat ruining it

oak sky
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rather it be like this than actually have to spam real keys

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or even 15s

limber lion
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Not a big fan of vault personally

nimble tartan
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im really bankin on them nerfin these trinkets cause i havent done any legion dungies cryy

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if legion comes back around before next raid ill do it…

oak sky
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bruh u got 3 more weeks or something

fleet anchor
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I've just done a lot of Vault in Legion

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And don't like the end part with pugs

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People fuck up the end and the last boss so much

spice spire
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Yeah final boss with pugs is pain

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I’m also a bit of an ape running it the first time tho happybear

nimble tartan
oak sky
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i find ffs like you interesting bro

muted ivy
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The second boss is also just kinda annoying

gusty mirage
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Damn bro

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They should nerf sylv dagger cuz I don’t wanna farm it

limber lion
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Who says you have to

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:')

gusty mirage
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idk I was just mimicking people who want the trinket nerfed 😛

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it's the end of the tier

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who cares

fleet anchor
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I think I'm more concerned about it going into the next TW window

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Since the timing will line up towards the start of the tier

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and it'll still be just as good or better

bleak sky
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They could just make good trinkets for raid right

limber lion
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Here's to hoping the raid introduces op trinkets

gusty mirage
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the valor needed to upgrade it is going to be hard to farm that early in the tier

fleet anchor
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I mean they could but Fusion Amp is already the best raid trinket we've had so far by a huge margin

gusty mirage
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plus you'd need to hit ksm to get it to max ilvl

bleak sky
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and not make a KT trinket again

gusty mirage
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plus without frost shards its down to an okay increase

bleak sky
gusty mirage
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yeah and not many people will hit 2k the 2nd week

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or have enough valor

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for it to even matter

bleak sky
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oh yeah valor caps reeee

fleet anchor
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I mean this would definitely be what you'd want to use valor on

gusty mirage
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I think valor cap is gone forever tbh

fleet anchor
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If you had a choice

bleak sky
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does 9.2 align with the next legion window?

gusty mirage
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yes

bleak sky
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"align"

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oh nice

gusty mirage
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well kind of

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guesstimates are 9.2 is in march? right?

bleak sky
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so we spam CoS and VW again pog

gusty mirage
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legion tw returns 3rd week of march

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don't get me wrong I agree with you completely and I do think it needs to tweaked down a bit

fleet anchor
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But like I think your point Oxi is also compounding right? Like people will feel really "forced" to get KSM very quickly for this also which isn't super fun during prog just to get one item but we'll see.

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Crams a lot into a smallish window of time due to TW

gusty mirage
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it shouldn't feel absolutely necessary to get something like that

fleet anchor
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But we'll see

gusty mirage
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because its limited to 1 week

bleak sky
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don't people always feel forced to get KSM tho?

gusty mirage
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and I can personally comment on how its very possible to not get it in 1 week

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34 runs in 1 week and didn't even see it drop for another person lmao

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Museless was up to like 47

fleet anchor
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lol that's pretty bad luck

nimble thicket
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I’m at 30 and nothing

bleak sky
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yep, giga unlucky

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all of you

gusty mirage
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got the cos ring in 4 runs cuz @ember mural loves me

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😛

slow marsh
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kekw

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so many necro fights

fleet anchor
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CoS ring should always be easy

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It's like on everyone's drop table

gusty mirage
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yeah

slow marsh
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in ptr

fleet anchor
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Took almost no time to get back in Legion

gusty mirage
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idk I'm torn on legion tw m+ gear being relevant and the risk of making it obsolete

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so like you don't even bother unless you genuinely enjoy the dungeons

fleet anchor
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Just wait until they add Arcway into the rotation and we need to get the 5% damage ring 🙂

gusty mirage
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at this point in 10.0 they should just bring back bfa timewalking m+ too

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and do a 2 week on 2 week off rotation

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tbh

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it's nice to be able to go in and do a couple 15 legion TW keys for nostalgia purposes

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and not plaguefall or top for the 500th time

spice spire
fleet anchor
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But like we're still kinda playing with fire here

spice spire
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And in 11.1 it’ll be shadowlands tw

fleet anchor
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If you look at Hateful Chain or Sire trinket

spice spire
gusty mirage
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yeah increasing the loot table is going to be a disaster

fleet anchor
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Both of them were way weaker per ilevel than Fusion amp

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And this trinket kills Fusion Amp

gusty mirage
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yeppers

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like it's definitely insanely op

fleet anchor
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So they either have to be hyper aggressive about trinket tuning

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Or it's just gonna be giga bis

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Phial is kinda equally busted too

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But at least we can get it without TW

gusty mirage
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if they tweaked it so that it's like a sidegrade to amp

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I think it'd be perfect

fleet anchor
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That's what I was expecting

gusty mirage
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ye I was too tbh after 34 runs I was a broken man

nimble tartan
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yeah not interested in the direction that legion m+ will be potentially mandatory to spam for a trinket thats op, new op stuff is always more fun in raid

vestal wren
nimble thicket
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Idk the sadness of EoN not being a legendary and seeing people with two while not seeing any at any lvl ever while stack vault is equal to the many runs of CoS and VW without anything

fleet anchor
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True

spice spire
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Sack yejoice

nimble tartan
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having op stuff from last raid mythic being good for a decent amount of prog is normal and should be normalized

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dungeons is different espec rotating ones

fleet anchor
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I mean I think TW should just be up all the time and they should cycle faster

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That would mostly fix it for me

limber lion
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Cycle them weekly, every week

nimble tartan
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its normalized by the lack of gear acquisition in prog like i had hella heroic gear on in prog basically

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yeah tw being more normalized and not on a 4 month window would be way better

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have legion time walking rotating out for that long is weird as hell

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and i dont like feeling rushed for power acquisition personally

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so i choose to refrain for now catsalute

fleet anchor
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I guess Vault is like 17 items on the loot table so 6% per loot in a run is not particularly high

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Frankly I really think M+ should just have a trinket vendor you get currency for lol

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This is just a persistent problem with the trinkets in general

gusty mirage
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I think they made a good step in that direction in 9.1.5 with the valor box

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but they also need to make it slot specific or include some bad luck protection in that box system

nimble tartan
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agree i think a cool way to do it is let that currency be part of the vault non gear option aka the little token coins at the bottom. make it 3 weeks of taking that coin to get max ilvl anything from m+

gusty mirage
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cuz getting 5 boots on my alt from the boxes is kinda stupid

vestal wren
gusty mirage
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they wanted getting loot to feel good this expac so they nerfed tf out of it

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but then like

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you're now just relieved that you got the drop instead of excited lol

vestal wren
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esp. with stuff like sylvanas dagger

nimble tartan
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cause it does open an interesting dynamic post prog or even late prog. u always take the ilvl upgrades early on but then u can time and make decisions on the 3 week coin pickup…

gusty mirage
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"9 bosses with anima and embers, 1 piece of loot and it's not useless. thank god"

fleet anchor
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Amount of time I ran PF without getting a trinket is absurd this season lol

gusty mirage
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I got you koji

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shit drops for me always after I already grind it out

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lmao

fast hound
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best way to farm vault is to have a group of 4 ppl, all have a +2 key for reroll and just invite one person with +2 vault key and say its a farming group

gusty mirage
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I got you on a phial homie

fleet anchor
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Haha

limber lion
gusty mirage
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and after 15 runs in 1 day

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not one dropped

fleet anchor
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And like hitting a trinket in the GV is the world’s largest lottery compared to other slots

fast hound
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i did like 40-50 runs till it finally dropped

gusty mirage
nimble thicket
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Bring back re-roll tokens and vault system that narrows in the loot table some how. Getting the same gear over and over and over again is breaking my will

oak sky
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sheeeeeesh im done with court of stars

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@gusty mirage i got it

limber lion
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Gz

round cargo
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so i want to keep the envom buff up as much as possible?

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but it falls off when i rupture...

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sometimes

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is it an energy pulling issue?

limber lion
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You don't need to look at Envenom whatsoever

round cargo
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i thought it was important i read way to much into shit sometimes

limber lion
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Nah

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It's our filler finisher

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You press it when you don't have anything better to press

round cargo
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but the buff it gives for deadly posion do i want to maintain that or eh

limber lion
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You don't need to track Envenom

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No

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You don't look at it at all

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You can literally hide it from your frames entirely

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And never notice a difference

gusty mirage
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you'll naturally have high envenom uptime if you just do your rotation properly

round cargo
oak sky
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i can actually play the game now

gusty mirage
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you can min-max it

oak sky
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so sick

gusty mirage
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but its usually not worth

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@oak sky my feeling exactly after getting the trinket

oak sky
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might even do some m+ this weekend

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@gusty mirage i think im a 12k boy with bs/ds

bleak sky
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sheeeesh

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flying way too close to the sun agreon

gusty mirage
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I think a sylvie dagger on tuesday will get me there

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I was 11.6 before faulty

bleak sky
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tfw outlaw sims 12k but sin doesn't besad

slow marsh
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dang imagine bs ds simming higher than ep mfd

gusty mirage
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choose wisely

drifting cloud
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its not a stigma its a fact

gusty mirage
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true

slow marsh
limber lion
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Gibe gear

bleak sky
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come to US

limber lion
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Nty

gusty mirage
slow marsh
gusty mirage
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and you don't sleep anyway, so 2am-8am raid times work perfect for you

bleak sky
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triple rogue M+ pushing comp? poggers

limber lion
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Sorry, I value free health care and basic human rights a bit too much :'(

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Lel

gusty mirage
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just play games with us here

limber lion
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Anyways, I'm so bored

limber lion
gusty mirage
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just let me love you Noooooo

limber lion
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If only

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I've been laying on this hotel bed for like 6 hours now

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Great stuff

slow marsh
limber lion
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At least Witcher has a new season so it gives me something to do

bleak sky
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what is this cursed sim

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double on use BS/DS and not 12k

gusty mirage
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do you not have phial?

kind talon
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Sheeeeeesh

bleak sky
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I do

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but it's telling me to go double use

round cargo
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ok does this work on tarra

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can i use feint to survive the aoe

kind talon
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Yea

oak sky
bleak sky
oak sky
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yeah

gusty mirage
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oh I see the problem here @bleak sky

round cargo
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i gonna be a degenerate

gusty mirage
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you don't have +15 str on your gloves

bleak sky
bleak sky
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living like a king

oak sky
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ive had it forever now

limber lion
oak sky
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i had 252 m+ ring too

limber lion
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Like 400 dps more than me

gusty mirage
limber lion
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It's gonna be a long christmas break

round cargo
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is the 15 str on gloves a troll or true story bro?

gusty mirage
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it's a troll

oak sky
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listen cev a few days ago it was 200 less

frosty bridge
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style point DPS

bleak sky
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more stronk = more hurt

frosty bridge
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does literally nothing

gusty mirage
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but you're emotionally stronger

oak sky
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getting the dagger is actually pretty giga

gusty mirage
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and as a rogue player we're already all emotionally broken

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so we need all the help we can get

frosty bridge
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It's just flexing your wallet to show you can afford enchants

oak sky
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@limber lion oh yeah and my macro fucked up so i lost a cast of trinket on sylv this week

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i have now added a trinket weakaura to my collection

gusty mirage
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yeah who would have +15 str on their gloves anyway

limber lion
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You're saying you haven't been tracking it

oak sky
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i was double passive like all patch

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never got fusion amp

gusty mirage
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everyone shame him

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now

limber lion
gusty mirage
slow marsh
oak sky
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but now that my macro had an issue i can just check the trinket gg

limber lion
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I'm a noodle

bleak sky
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but you got the braincells advantage

gusty mirage
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I don't

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check mate finnish boy

limber lion
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Yeh well

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U cute

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So

oak sky
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this guy does 11k in p3 simming 11.6 omegalul

limber lion
gusty mirage
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yeah?!

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WELL YOU'RE CUTER

oak sky
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i should be shooting for 11.4k in p3

gusty mirage
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bruh I'm just trying to kill sylv again

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and yall trying to improve your parses

oak sky
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i need the secret cev sauce

gusty mirage
limber lion
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I believe

oak sky
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lol no

gusty mirage
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Cev how do I not suck at the game anymore

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pls

oak sky
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even if i pressed the trinket my last kill its only like 10k

limber lion
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Watch me do a Sylv kill in like February

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And parse blue

gusty mirage
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well yeah

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unless I get you kindred no shot you 100

limber lion
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Fail my trial instantly

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Unlucky

limber lion
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They're too dumb

oak sky
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depends on the boss

limber lion
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PI is honestly fine

oak sky
limber lion
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KA isn't

gusty mirage
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before it was PI

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now it's KA, Fae Guardians, and Blessing of Autumn

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and apparently focus magic

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we've hit peak degen

oak sky
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@limber lion did you run bek on sylv

limber lion
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Cba changing xd

gusty mirage
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plus bek is useful for p2

bleak sky
gusty mirage
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bro what

tribal mauve
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Do you guys vendetta twice in p2 or start p3 ?

limber lion
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I guess Zed would be like +50 dps

gusty mirage
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what guilds yall running in?

limber lion
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For p3

gusty mirage
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top 200?

limber lion
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But eh

oak sky
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Yeah but i need every cheat strat cev

bleak sky
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no but people do way too much damage

oak sky
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I cant hit your number on my own

limber lion
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On cooldown on p3, syncing last 2 with flags

gusty mirage
bleak sky
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last 2?

limber lion
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Yes

bleak sky
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I thought it was just the last one, F

limber lion
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Well idk anymore to be honest

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Because p3 is so much faster

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And new strats

gusty mirage
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prolly just last one now

limber lion
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With plat3 lusts and whatever

bleak sky
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true but we are not Colour besad

gusty mirage
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not with that attitude you're not @bleak sky

oak sky
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I got an arrow during lust+cds @limber lion i forgot about that

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Maybe next time will be luckier

bleak sky
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no shot

limber lion
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As long as you do it well

gusty mirage
tribal mauve
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Dont you lose some uptime on vendetta doing twice p2 (on the second one)

bleak sky
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it's a scuffed vendetta, ya

gusty mirage
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yes you'll end up losing a bit of the 2nd vendetta

limber lion
bleak sky
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but better than not casting I guess

gusty mirage
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yea

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16s of the 2nd vendetta is better than 0 extra seconds of vendetta

limber lion
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Don't do the normal rotation on first p2 burn

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Just insta-Vend

gusty mirage
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yeah I was popping vendetta as I was running over

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for first burn

limber lion
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Yeh

gusty mirage
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I got the Cev secret tech GWvertiPeepoCheer

tribal mauve
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I vend after the shield meh

limber lion
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It's still scuffed for some

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Shield?

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What shield

tribal mauve
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When she ´s not immune anymore

limber lion
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Huh

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She's not immune whatsoever during the burns

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When she jumps and starts casting ruin she's not immune

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She becomes immune after that, just before p3

oak sky
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Banshees veil is the dr

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Huge dr

gusty mirage
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2nd vendetta will be a lot less scuffed that way

tribal mauve
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Yea i’ll try that for the next sylv progress OMEGAKEKW

limber lion
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I wouldn't Vend during the run though

#

Because the Vend cast gives energy

#

So you're just dumping that into nothing

#

Vendetta is quite frontloaded

#

With Shiv/Vanish

#

And Vemd energy

icy ember
#

are we talkin about when to use vendetta on mythic sylv? im gonna swap over from sub this week

limber lion
#

But yeh, just play around with it and find what works for you :p

subtle tundra
#

play dusk and vendetta each platform?

limber lion
limber lion
icy ember
#

ye losing obedience makes me rethink when to use flag, it helps to have a reference

limber lion
#

Flagellation

P1 sync with Vend both times

P2 use on cooldown

P3 use on cooldown, sync last one with Vend/lust/potion/ts

oak sky
#

Ive been during vendetta after veil each time

#

Doing

#

In p3

limber lion
#

As you should

#

You still want to maximize value of each cd

icy ember
#

so we dont want to align it w/vendetta each time, only on the opener and in P3?

limber lion
#

Read the notes again

icy ember
#

oh sry im special

limber lion
#

You only sync the last cast in p3

#

Twice in p1

#

But p1 doesn't really matter

#

Because someone's gonna call for dps stop anyway

placid pagoda
limber lion
placid pagoda
#

Ah yes ty ty

bleak sky
#

oh you vendetta both burn phases

#

I send one on first adds left side and then on second burn

limber lion
#

Like if you know it's about to proc in 10s, you might wanna wait a bit

bleak sky
limber lion
#

But if it takes like 30, then obviously not worth

limber lion
#

Like if the add dies in 6s, probs not worth

round cargo
#

on the nine do i want get blleds up on both angles before using cooldowns or skip it

balmy condor
#

Just single target cd

#

And then after the shiv, get the rupture on the other target

round cargo
#

dont want to maintain dos on both

#

kk

balmy condor
#

You do

#

But shiv envenom > rupture

#

So you prio that

round cargo
#

kk

toxic estuary
#

@balmy condor do you pool for every envenom ?

balmy condor
#

Yes

#

Every non-empowered envenom

toxic estuary
#

ah ok just was kinda confused about it

#

like non empowered being without shiv?

balmy condor
#

Shiv, vend, flag

#

Ma buffed

toxic estuary
#

ah gotcha ok ty :)

balmy condor
#

Np

toxic estuary
#

also do you know if opener on website is accurate still? I send flag before the rupture

balmy condor
#

Yes

#

Flag rup vend

toxic estuary
#

bet appreciate it

balmy condor
#

Pleasure

hollow river
#

i can't wait to see the new rotation for next tier.

#

🤯

subtle tundra
#

replace some envenoms with rupture and cast garrote more often in vendetta

#

🥺

gusty mirage
#

@balmy condor do you have any tips on how I can wake up half as cute as you tomorrow?

balmy condor
gusty mirage
slow marsh
#

uWu

halcyon zealot
#

hichews are S tier candy

slow marsh
hollow river
#

ye

arctic walrus
#

What’s a hichew

glass tulip
#

ma?

round cargo
#

i dont want to use rupture during my opener right?

#

with shiv

subtle tundra
#

yea wtf is a hickew

#

american lango

gusty mirage
round cargo
#

kk

gusty mirage
glass tulip
limber lion
#

High chew

gusty mirage
glass tulip
#

Very subtle flavor, same consistency as a soft taffy, grape or apple are where it's at

limber lion
glass tulip
#

Anyone test anduin today? Was it fun?

gusty mirage
#

senor visp0r did

arctic walrus
gusty mirage
#

idk if I like strawberry peach mint or cherry lemon more

arctic walrus
#

Spm grape and redbull

gusty mirage
#

grape is goated

arctic walrus
#

Dude the redbull is actually sick

gusty mirage
#

is it really? I've been iffy on trying it

echo geyser
arctic walrus
#

Añejo senior ppMexico

slow marsh
arctic walrus
#

Bad

soft shale
#

some people got to intermission but yea

#

adds had a little much health

#

and the shield thingy was a bit powertapped

slow marsh
#

Did anyone get to see if you could play underneath differently at all with the energy or na? I didn't get to really watch any of the top guilds do it

sharp stump
#

How’s lunch?

balmy condor
slow marsh
#

Well yes that would be the ideal way

sterile sail
#

@balmy condor so you think the 2 Piece will be nerfed. Where in between the old one and new one do you think it'll land

balmy condor
#

100% will land somewhere between 50-70%

#

probably 50%

sterile sail
#

And that's what you mentioned that you can't override to test in sims right

balmy condor
#

correct

#

well

#

koji added a variable

#

should work on the next nightly build

sterile sail
#

Cool look forward to hearing that

balmy condor
#

so I'm gonna add a ton of sims regarding 50%

sterile sail
#

I wanna start playing around with some theory crafting at some point

balmy condor
#

since it seems likely that it'll just get put down tot hat

hollow river
#

are no other classes simming that high?

#

like fire mage/demo/maybe even s priest

balmy condor
#

tier set implementations are all over the place

hollow river
#

yeah

balmy condor
#

and double legendaries as well

#

comparing classes to each other is just asinine atm

hollow river
#

i feel ya

#

saw some sub sims thrown around simming for 13.8k or something

balmy condor
#

Yeh

#

With apl changes from koji and me, it’s getting to 13.3

#

But sub is definitely stronger atm

strange python
gusty mirage
drifting cloud
echo geyser
#

@balmy condor NF 9.2?

#

theres some pretty dank soulshapes

bronze pike
#

partial to the hippo soul shape myself

#

oh darn i should level up nf coven now huh

balmy condor
slow marsh
#

I wish

echo geyser
#

personal fav ( got it on my hunter)

unknown.png
balmy condor
#

Get this night fae garbage out of my channel

deft cave
#

omg i need the fat cat

echo geyser
echo geyser
fleet anchor
deft cave
#

how to explain my guild im going NF cuz of cat form

fleet anchor
#

I don't think they have stated their budget specifically yet though, just ballparking on most specs

echo geyser
#

but everyone saying its gonna get nerfed

#

soulshape > door of shadows any day

strange python
#

bunny soulshape is bis Smile

echo geyser
#

kermit_pepe theres lots of good ones

#

idk how strong nf soulbinds are but mages go dreamweaver i know

#

thats another cheatdeath OMEGAKEKW

strange python
#

wow need to really allow for more freedom over visuals, like they have for soulshape

#

why cant I unlock different door of shadows colourations etc

balmy condor
strange python
#

or just cool landing particle effects

balmy condor
#

Aim high brother

fleet anchor
#

Mentally preparing 😛

#

Just basing on the fact that they said the 2pc for Outlaw at ~10% was too strong

#

That likely the target is somewhere under that

#

Maybe it's higher than 5% though

strange python
#

is there necessarily a target?

#

like a specifically outlined target

obtuse robin
#

i just hope they figure in the huge lost from frost compared to other classes

slow marsh
#

We will be v happy with it landing at 50% I think

obtuse robin
#

or just fix pb

#

then w/e

bronze pike
#

i mean, dom shards in general were way to strong for their own good. they cant be beat for some classes

#

i think 50% is a nice number for sin

balmy condor
slow marsh
#

I mean 2p shouldn't be 10% that's true but

balmy condor
#

There’s power targets for borrowed power

#

It’s not hard set, but 10-15% is sorta what they want it to be

slow marsh
#

Our 4p is a sliding scale based on 2p so

balmy condor
#

And they’re okay with like 10% 2 set if it’s a 2% 4 set although it’s not ideal right

strange python
#

yeah, that makes sense

slow marsh
#

I haven't seen other specs early sims. Is 13k on the higher end or na

balmy condor
#

But like if outlaw set is 12%, there’s not a lot of room for the 4 set

#

So then you gotta tune that down

strange python
#

4 set should just be the cool BANG BANG sound we were promised

balmy condor
strange python
#

no dmg bonus needed, just a strong 2 set kekW

slow marsh
#

There's a difference between comparing and wanting to cop a feel

strange python
#

ur a blizzard employee?

slow marsh
#

I could be

balmy condor
#

“Is 13k on the higher end”

You mean like, the higher end of an imaginary list that compares specs?

slow marsh
#

Yes

balmy condor
#

Super weird

slow marsh
#

Just a little super

fleet anchor
#

I mean it's about the same DPS as we do now, so I guess yes or maybe no depending on how you look at it? 🤣

slow marsh
#

But to be fair coming off shards it's just weird

#

Yeah

bronze pike
#

ye

slow marsh
#

It's harder to judge where we can expect to land

fleet anchor
#

If their goal is to roughly approximate the current tier shards then it's probably fine

slow marsh
#

As dps in general

fleet anchor
#

If other specs end up getting way more, who knows

strange python
#

the damage increase per tier compared to bfa is very odd in SL

#

guess they're tired of stat squishes

#

so far it looks like we're barely gonna be doing more damage than we are this tier

slow marsh
#

Ye

strange python
#

9.0 to 9.1 was roughly a 100% increase in raid dps

slow marsh
#

Which is no wonder why raid tuning was so poor

bronze pike
#

frost was just really really good for alot of classes

slow marsh
#

And now why it's massive

#

I mean yeah frost was good but UH was so much primary stat too

balmy condor
obtuse robin
drifting cosmos
#

Really, thought it'd be more, which ones

strange python
#

OL, assa

balmy condor
#

Sin, outlaw, and some havoc

obtuse robin
#

and 2 r rogues specs

strange python
#

ah havoc too yeah

slow marsh
#

After they finally accepted eyebeam

echo geyser
#

feral?

strange python
#

are there really no others

balmy condor
#

Feral plays unholy

slow marsh
#

I think feral uses uh

strange python
#

ferals burst phases are just too big

slow marsh
#

Nobody else crits like us

strange python
slow marsh
#

And yeah real cds

echo geyser
#

u want crit + bunch of small fast hits

muted ivy
#

Rip fire mage

#

If only there wasn’t a cap

balmy condor
#

Tanks play blood

strange python
#

feral would be good with frost if it didnt just have GIVA burst right now

slow marsh
#

Yeah cap ruined it for a lot of specs cough sub

balmy condor
#

Healers play blood or unholy

strange python
#

giga*

crystal glen
#

Some Hpal actually played frost at the beginning

echo geyser
#

arent hpally doing frost rn

strange python
#

healers should play frost, all those heal hits pepe5head

echo geyser
#

for dam

bronze pike
#

along with frost cause they stack crit

#

guess i was wrong

balmy condor
#

Yeh nah

slow marsh
#

They stack crit yes but capped

balmy condor
#

Big crits are terrible for frost

slow marsh
#

Hurts it for them

bronze pike
#

ah

balmy condor
#

Like arcane is big on crit

#

But frost is abysmal for them

#

It’s like 2%

#

Or something silly

slow marsh
#

Like the damage cap per crit instance is only just over 500 I think

steel bane
balmy condor
#

Idk what it is but it’s low, yeh

slow marsh
#

It's 550 or something I'm pretty sure

drifting cosmos
#

Oh well, didn't really like dom set anyway, nothing to miss

obtuse robin
#

ill miss the sield

#

shield

balmy condor
#

Tier is way more interesting

slow marsh
#

Tier is more interesting yeah

drifting cosmos
#

Yea prob the shield, like a small prydaz feels really good

slow marsh
#

It's not just slap this on and pepega stack crit and you'll do 10k

drifting cosmos
#

Yea everything is so passive

slow marsh
#

As vocal as I've been about not being a fan of the 4p functionality with the bug n stuff, it allows for some gamer plays for sure

hollow river
#

i kinda like it

#

it's awkward, yes

#

but there's some minmax to be had there

slow marsh
#

Being able to get two full shivs with 4p exsang bleeds if you time it right is gonna feel good

muted ivy
#

The only thing I don’t really like about it is that we literally have exsanguinate in our talent tree

hollow river
#

reapplying Rupture -> Garrote -> CT, in that order

#

😉

echo geyser
drifting cosmos
#

But that talent has been dead for longtime so it doesn't matter

slow marsh
#

Nono

#

I just mean the 4p sped up bleeds

echo geyser
#

ah

muted ivy
#

Kinda wish they’d replaced it with something that could actually compete with alacrity

slow marsh
#

Exsang's only chance I think would be directly linked to NS

#

Like a shadowdust build with NS mfd where you shiv vendetta mfd vanish rupture exsang shiv

subtle tundra
#

wtf are those cursed words

#

dont type

#

again

slow marsh
#

L

#

O

#

L

echo geyser
hollow river
slow marsh
subtle tundra
#

the fucking aura shard depleted my key on first pull

#

poggers

echo geyser
#

imagine playing uh aura shard OMEGAKEKW

#

actual L

subtle tundra
#

😦

echo geyser
#

howd it deplete a key tho

#

thats kinda crazy

balmy condor
#

ratio

echo geyser
#

i only saw it in ToP pulling soggy when trying to skip him

#

after that it was banned forever

subtle tundra
#

in key rn

#

cant explain

balmy condor
#

varas doesn't have time for casuals like us @echo geyser

subtle tundra
#

ok, im doing 27s hello?

balmy condor
#

he's grown too large

#

too powerful

#

for mere mortals to speak to

subtle tundra
#

my ego is the size of africa

#

how big is africa

drifting cloud
#

like the size of a continent

subtle tundra
#

the more you know

bleak sky
subtle tundra
# echo geyser howd it deplete a key tho

so, in SD first pull, i had to reset mistdancer to stop the ticks from spawning and when i vanished shard aura was active and mobs didnt reset and went on tank

#

easily went 26 afterwards and timed it

#

very saddo

muted ivy
#

LOL

subtle tundra
#

so, uh, do i craft obedience on head now and play 4 dom slots??

#

fucking aaaaa

#

omg that means i have to do torghast

#

fucking fuck

nocturne geode
#

why would you craft opbed on head

#

your going to get it on belt in 9.2 for free

#

@subtle tundra

subtle tundra
#

im pushing keys rn, not 9.2

#

and the aura shard one is "bad"

#

can sabotage

nocturne geode
#

ahh just waanted to save you some gold 😄

subtle tundra
#

so might aswell get the most out of not playing a shard

inner pier
#

@rigid mango is vulpera bis now?

echo geyser
#

it should be even better on sin compared to the other specs

#

kinda bussin on outlaw

subtle tundra
#

im sub 🤮

echo geyser
#

fuck u talkin in sin for then

#

anyways still use it

subtle tundra
#

cause it had nothing to do with the spec 😦

#

and im sin by heart

#

still play sin in top tho 🙂

balmy condor
subtle tundra
#

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

echo geyser
#

only reason i was playing head lego was cause tel wasnt working

balmy condor
#

man being a discord mod, ya know

#

it aint much but it's honest work

subtle tundra
sterile sail
#

The discussion here is way diff than havoc

#

It's actually constructive lmao

#

Maybe cuz there's an actual tier set to discuss 🤔

balmy condor
#

or cause the DH discord is the sewer sludge of class discords

#

either or

hollow river
echo geyser
#

@subtle tundra heres the OG pic for that

unknown.png
balmy condor
#

nothing good has ever come out of DH discord

hollow river
#

the DH discord is just

balmy condor
#

just lunatics and fotm chasing chimps

#

boasting about beta akaari

#

and then disappearing into the night

sterile sail
#

Ain't that the truth

subtle tundra
bronze pike
#

anyone at the dh discord

slow marsh
timid cloud
#

Whispyr being cwinge again...

tropic rover
bleak sky
balmy condor
bleak sky
#

o it's not pinned anymore

tropic rover
balmy condor
#

90% of the mods don't even play havoc

tropic rover
#

I wish we had good public facing community figures

balmy condor
#

there's a guy in there that hasn't played havoc since legion

#

and still has mod roles

tropic rover
#

The guide writer doesn't play havoc either

balmy condor
#

yeh

tropic rover
#

And they don't moderate anything lol

balmy condor
#

just actual cursed discord

tropic rover
#

I listened to the podcast you guys put out for like 5 minutes and was instantly like man I need to come back to rogue

timid cloud
#

Oh yeah true.

#

They flame so hard, I love it when the boys get together for a good ‘ol roasting in there. Just outta nowhere.

tropic rover
#

I mean it has it moments where it's fun for sure but it's very intimidating and off putting for new players looking to improve

#

Since there aren't very many content creators who play at a high level consistently to kind of rally behind. We don't have trustworthy community figures in the discord, so even when numbers come out the overwhelming sentiment is to take those sims with a grain of salt

#

Even though a lot of the time they're solid since Koji does most of the back end work from what I understand

#

I can't count the amount of times a new player has asked something there and been meme'd on or given bad info that I've PM'd having to explain the state of the discord to before they go forward asking questions lol

sterile sail
#

Wait time out

#

You guys do a podcast?.

tropic rover
#

They just started

balmy condor
#

we did our first a couple days ago

sterile sail
#

YO link

tropic rover
#

It's in the announcements channel

sterile sail
tropic rover
#

And the few that do are very inactive

sterile sail
#

There are a few that I trust / discuss with but man there are some absolute degens in there

storm forum
#

what happened to the napkin math guy?

tropic rover
#

I can literally think of 3-4 people that might be referring to lmao

balmy condor
#

we're getting it up on youtube/spotify at some point

storm forum
#

in 8.2 there was a guy that would post here a couple times a week and we would say stuff like "just look at the sims" and he'd talk about his own napkin math

balmy condor
#

working out some first time kinks

sterile sail
#

You ever want more people discussing on that lemme know

tropic rover
sterile sail
#

I was legit looking for exactly this today (without knowing this existed) and could not find it

storm forum
#

every time I hear whispyr's voice and it's not an anime girl voice I get disappointed

sterile sail
storm forum
tropic rover
sterile sail
#

Smh

#

Anyway

balmy condor
bleak sky
sterile sail
#

But we were the 2nd fastest 6 hour guild in the US so there's that 😂

bleak sky
#

give us nombres

balmy condor
#

yeh I have no clue what the 2nd fastest 6 hour US guild is sorry

sterile sail
#

I don't expect you to

slow marsh
#

Lmao

sterile sail
#

We were world 4th Tarragrue

#

Limit has nothing on us

slow marsh
#

Wait whata your guild name

flat skiff
#

Quick question, say I'm at 2 combo points, I have Shiv coming up in 3 seconds and I'm close to energy cap. I mutilate and it brings me to 5 combo points. Do I Shiv at 5 CP when it comes up or do an envenom and then shiv?

sterile sail
arctic walrus
#

no your guild name not your afflictions

slow marsh
#

Kekw

#

I was gonna say if you're in notion imma lol so hard

sterile sail
#

I don't expect anyone to know who we are

#

We day raid the day the raid drops and since we are a CE guild and don't care about hitting world first we just zerg the raid and kill 1st boss as fast as possible

bleak sky
#

wait I'm the stupid one

storm forum
bleak sky
#

raider io is def weird sometimes

storm forum
#

while we're snooping and snipping

bleak sky
#

ye raiderio police

slow marsh
#

Can you teach me how to play rogue better @sterile sail

#

I want to be world 4th wall boss

bleak sky
slow marsh
bleak sky
#

secret tech don't let whispyr read

slow marsh
#

I'm assuming night fae as well

bronze pike
#

Anyone can correct me if I’m wrong

bleak sky
#

they're watching

obtuse robin
#

we were wrong about whispyr ice is the mean one

storm forum
#

master poisoner for the real legion throwback POGGERS

slow marsh
#

And press shiv the second it's up

burnt latch
#

I think he is asking if its worth pressing envenom -> shiv or should he wait till shiv comes up, overcap on cp and then finish

sterile sail
flat skiff
slow marsh
#

I mean it doesn't really matter either way as long as you hit shiv when it comes up

burnt latch
#

Surely theres an option out of the two thats better no?

slow marsh
#

Well yeah

burnt latch
#

Or does it not make a difference dps wise?

slow marsh
#

Ideally you wouldn't have that decision anyways

burnt latch
#

Well yeah obviously

slow marsh
#

You would be sitting at 3/4 CP with shiv coming up while not capping on energy

burnt latch
#

But thats not very helpful if youre already in that position and want to maximize your damage nonetheless

bleak sky
#

idk I just press shiv

#

if that's the case

storm forum
#

as long as you're not over capping on energy I think it's fine to wait and shiv and over cap CP

bleak sky
#

at 5 cp and shiv is up

slow marsh
#

The rule of thumb is ignore shiv gives CP

#

Just press on cd