assassination

[ebon thorn]

its 1 leggo

and man

i hope this isnt a stop dmg boss

[balmy condor]

I'm doing 0 boss dps atm

[ebon thorn]

solid breakdown

[balmy condor]

well that's not with the changes

so

[median silo]

if you're using salvaged fusion, do you just pop it on cd?

[limber lion]

Sure, ideally slightly after Flag

[lyric crater]

what the hell going on doiing sin mage tower sigryn at 35% after i blind her eget out of it yes im not hear her and cast blood of her father !

[limber lion]

[cerulean nest]

hey for the fatescribe puzzle explosion, are there classes that can immune it for a few seconds to keep dots rolling?

[median silo]

what?? Lol and thank you Ceverion

[limber lion]

No

It's coded as an omega wipe mechanic which can't be immuned whatsoever afaik

[cold rampart]

vault of the wardens trinket better than amp?

[ebon thorn]

yes

[cold rampart]

interesting

[solid venture]

yeah idk ,doesn't really feel good playing sin on halondrus

looks like a sub boss if you ask me

[strange python]

Spend too much time holding shiv/vend because pillars don't live

[solid venture]

yeah

[limber lion]

It will definitely see tuning

[solid venture]

feel like the only time to use vend atm is after pillars are dead

[limber lion]

More boss hp or something

[balmy condor]

well

just got hotfixed to have like

3x the health

[lyric crater]

mage tower for sin

[edgy orbit]

finally did sin mt. Just needed to go get heart of azeroth

[lyric crater]

i have the item more or lesss blizzzard fucking trolling

[subtle gyro]

i know that the crit tea is better....but is there spreadsheet showing how much better over Fatal Flaw now that its fixed?

[muted ivy]

you can sim crit specifically with this

shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit

goes in the custom apl spot

and then you sim nadja

to compare

[lone junco]

@balmy condor did assassination get another buff in the past few months, or did scaling catch up? They seem to be in a top ST slot again.

[vestal wren]

you can sim all teas against each others with the apl input i linked in #subtlety-faq

[lone junco]

Or is it just the 10x PI meme logs.

[vestal wren]

assassination is good due to frost set

[fleet whale]

The sin 2 piece should stay how it is right now imo

[strange python]

4 Target cleave...interesting

[lone junco]

Ah. I stopped raiding at aotc venthyr hpal. So I don't have any dom stuff on rogue.

[muted ivy]

#subtlety-faq message
this is note that has the input

[limber lion]

It's due to externals

If you're lookint at wcl

Kindred Affinity is insane on Assa

[solid venture]

wonder who the next simp target will be for externals after the boomie nerfs

[strange python]

Sin does not feel like the play on pantheon

[balmy condor]

what

sin is so huge on pantheon

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

its infinite 2 target

what else would you play

sin literally best 2 target spec in the game

[echo geyser]

outlaw? what else

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

The pantheon litetally looks like the best fucking fight

[spice spire]

Arms warrior

[limber lion]

I'm hyped

[oak sky]

Dude

Just the concept of that fight

BANGIN

Prio cleave

[limber lion]

Talking as if boomies were the target

Hehe

But definitely sin, demo or something

Get ready for Sanctum of Externals

[oak sky]

Boomies become the simps

[soft shale]

people forget mage and warlock overlords

[oak sky]

Sepulcher of externals

[limber lion]

Sepulvher

That's the one

[soft shale]

hey maybe we get a banner from warrior

if you have a prot one

[strange python]

P2 is all 4 Target

[oak sky]

Cant wait for necro arms warrior windfury group

[strange python]

Which is most of the fight, no?

[echo geyser]

necro sin

[oak sky]

4T

[limber lion]

Where's the issue

What would you play

[oak sky]

Subterfuge ct fight

[limber lion]

Those are not stacked 4 targets either

[subtle tundra]

necro fight poggersss?

[strange python]

Outlaw maybe

[oak sky]

Lets fucking go

[strange python]

We're stacking them

[limber lion]

Definitely sin fight

[oak sky]

It might be stacked with occasional movement then?

[limber lion]

Mark my words.

[oak sky]

😈

[strange python]

Maybe not duskwalkers fight then

[oak sky]

Zoldyck makes a reappearancr

[solid venture]

in my guild the boomies get all PI's and KA so yeah, wtb some of that simp love too

[limber lion]

Wtf

[solid venture]

i told them

[limber lion]

Your guild is out of its mind

[subtle tundra]

KA on boomy?

[solid venture]

ka is shit on boomie

[limber lion]

Fucking rofl

[spice spire]

KA On boomy is cringe

[solid venture]

gm is boomie

[spice spire]

PI? Sure

[solid venture]

[subtle tundra]

crit on boomy 💨

[oak sky]

KA off rogue and mage smh

Just have the boomie go kyrian and link nf fire

[limber lion]

Assa gains 1.4k from KA

Boomie gets 700 dps

Very worth yes

Literally half the value

[solid venture]

i'll try to persuade them once again :>

[limber lion]

Just link the spreadsheets

Idk if they're updated or not, but still gives a good idea

[solid venture]

do you have a link for it or is it listed in the pins somewhere?

[balmy condor]

#wow-general

[solid venture]

nvm found it :p its in wowgen

ty

[cerulean nest]

set buff seems cray

[limber lion]

Sure does

Seems crazy fun

[cerulean nest]

what needs to be done to 4pc to match it?

[subtle gyro]

im simming and simming...but i feel that i need more haste. I run 50% crit and only 12 % haste with crit tea, and I feel like my ST is lower then it should be.

im not good with those APL things, im trying to learn sims better, or more on a deeper level.

[thorny pond]

Trust top gear

[spice spire]

Nothing

It’s not supposed to be an = gain

[subtle gyro]

thats telling me my 246 IQD and 236 Phial is better then using the heroic Guardian trinket

[thorny pond]

Probably is

[spice spire]

It’s supposed to both equal around a certain percentage gain, ideally, it would be equal to one another

[strange python]

I'm still trying to figure out how to time out the perfect garrote and rupture reapplication in vend. Seems fun though.

[subtle gyro]

and to use the haste KT neck over the crit one

[spice spire]

But if the set bonus falls in line with the rest and the 2 piece is favored, it’ll be fine

[subtle gyro]

i was assuming too high of crit i guess

[thorny pond]

Top gear will get you best gear for maximum dps

Don’t worry about stats let it

[limber lion]

I just want to play with the new set already

[arctic hare]

agreed

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

The nerfed new set

[limber lion]

Yeh, here's to hoping they nerf it before it hits ptr

So people don't get too hung up on the inflated numbers

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

yeah that's for sure a zold fight

[alpine latch]

So we're probably getting a 2pc nerf to our aoe

But 4pc is still really strong for ST, yeah?

[limber lion]

Yup

[slow marsh]

2pc enables the 4p kinda

[limber lion]

The 2p is getting nerfed overall, not just aoe

[drifting cosmos]

Yea that 100% kinda need to be tuned down, seems huge

[limber lion]

NF simming the highest

Get fucked idiots

[solid venture]

felt a bit weird having to refresh bleeds like 2-3 times in vendetta though but i guess you can time it better to only have to do it once or twice

[limber lion]

Lmao actual doubters

[slow marsh]

cev about to bust

[dawn ivy]

cev scarin me recently

[slow marsh]

We'll see how long NF stays on top when he adds double leggo

[limber lion]

Stay mad

[slow marsh]

I'm not mad brother

[limber lion]

Double legos coming in 5th week or some shit

[slow marsh]

I am a known NF apologist

[limber lion]

4 weeks of NF baby

[hollow river]

Toxic onslaught and Duskwalkers gonna be insane

[slow marsh]

just ask @spice spire

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

NF apologist, known whacky theorycrafter iceblades willed this into existence

After the RP incident of 9.1, I’m getting a bit sus

[slow marsh]

if true i will cri

[limber lion]

What a great day ti be alive

LMAOOOOOO

[hollow river]

LOL

[slow marsh]

I'm waiting tbh

This kind of hype can easily be crushed

[hollow river]

Yep wont raid until double leggo

Ez

[slow marsh]

ngl imagine if niya kick poison works with 2p tho

[wild beacon]

do we know how the cov belt works yet, like how do we get it

[spice spire]

Niya herbs not again

[slow marsh]

not herbs

[spice spire]

Mystler ruined me once already

[limber lion]

Campaign

[spice spire]

I even breathe in niya’s direction and I get PTSD

[wild beacon]

nice

[obtuse robin]

wtf necro not far behind

[slow marsh]

I'm telling you from the fights we've tested so far necro dream is very much alive still

[spice spire]

Yes good good

[twilit hollow]

[slow marsh]

There's way too many damn adds

[spice spire]

I can’t watch this live

[dawn ivy]

where are the sims?

[spice spire]

But yes

[slow marsh]

whisp simming rn on stream

[spice spire]

twitch.tv/whispyrttv

Is where

[dawn ivy]

that sob

[spice spire]

He’s milking content

Absolute genius

[oak sky]

@limber lion you have to be lying

[spice spire]

He’s not

[limber lion]

Lmaoooo

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

he isn't

[oak sky]

We arent

No

[limber lion]

BONEZONE

[spice spire]

Cev “stay mad assassin betas” erion

[oak sky]

Double leggo mythic week please

Blizzard

[limber lion]

Get your renown up boys

[oak sky]

Weke 3

[slow marsh]

even with double leggo

[oak sky]

WEEK 3

[spice spire]

The bone zone is ready boys

[oak sky]

PLEASE

[slow marsh]

NF is even rn

[oak sky]

No

Dont make me

[slow marsh]

but 2p nerf will kill it i'm sure

[oak sky]

Play to

[limber lion]

Lmaoooooo

[obtuse robin]

plz nerf 2 pc so no nf

[limber lion]

Haters be hating

[slow marsh]

i'm ngl though

[spice spire]

TO is a decent legendary

[oak sky]

WAIT

EP DEEPER NF

[slow marsh]

flag feels kinda bad when you're overcapping so hard already

[oak sky]

??????

IS THIS IT

[limber lion]

Hell no

[slow marsh]

no everything is ep/ mfd

[limber lion]

Ep mfd

[wild beacon]

baited

[oak sky]

Mfd with no flag

[spice spire]

It just has to make up for fucking sepsis

[limber lion]

Yes

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

MfD bis

[slow marsh]

mfd slice

[oak sky]

Sadge

[slow marsh]

with subt

[limber lion]

MFD NS

Nut

[oak sky]

Deeper would make it less cringe

[limber lion]

Stay mad

[slow marsh]

no it would still be cringe

[spice spire]

Wdym mad

[oak sky]

I mean its still cringe

[limber lion]

EP NS MFD CT

Ez

[spice spire]

I get to learn new strats

[oak sky]

Just less cringe

[spice spire]

Aight NS kinda cringe

Subterfuge gaming

[oak sky]

Make shiv buff not apply to stepsis

Fuck night fae

[slow marsh]

Yo zold is only -600 in ST. massive

[limber lion]

MFD slice MFD rup vanish gar vend sepsis shiv 1000m dps

Ez

[slow marsh]

necro dusk only -200 necro bois rejoice

[oak sky]

Smoge

Awful news

[obtuse robin]

also sbs and sepsis arnt being boosted by 2pc or 4 pc or is that fixed in the sims

[oak sky]

Dont kill venthyr

[slow marsh]

sepsis is

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

i dont think necro is

[limber lion]

Koji fixed Sepsis afaik

[slow marsh]

ye

[obtuse robin]

dam necro stonks

[slow marsh]

12969

69 NF wins

[obtuse robin]

yo does nerco pul ahead if sbs counted

only like 190 dps behind

[slow marsh]

necro will pull ahead naturally because of all the adds in these fights so far

[limber lion]

What do you mean if sbs counted

Oh right

[spice spire]

Toward the 2p

[limber lion]

No, don't think so

[obtuse robin]

towrds 2 pc and 4 pc

[slow marsh]

it also is bugged on 4p so it could be closer

[limber lion]

But it definitely pulls ahead in aoe

[spice spire]

Idk, with SF it could get spicy

[limber lion]

That's asking for a lot

[spice spire]

True

[limber lion]

SF never sees integration

They forget it exists

[spice spire]

That would require it to function

[limber lion]

Yup

[slow marsh]

I mean both fights today were necro fights i think

Especially council

[limber lion]

I don't think the first one was

Council fo sho

[slow marsh]

The first wasn't as obvious but I was wishing I could just sbs rup garrote the pylons then go back to boss

[spice spire]

MFs think NFTs aren’t in game. The blockchain for the sbs fix is behind the mythic jailer

[slow marsh]

i felt like flag got wasted a couple times from swapping

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

So it’s… a NF fight?

[limber lion]

Don't press flag at a poor time

[slow marsh]

The more I think about it NF seems better and better in terms of feel

[limber lion]

And the pylons die instantly

NF is great

But we do have to still agree

[slow marsh]

Because of haste value dimishing

[limber lion]

That the stealth effect is useless

[slow marsh]

it is

[wild beacon]

literally never tried NF, might give it a crack

[spice spire]

It does have exactly one use

[limber lion]

If it was removed and sepsis damage increased

[spice spire]

In m+ only

[limber lion]

It would be great

[spice spire]

You get the silence from garrote, but it’s still not empowered

[slow marsh]

I have to believe that's not intended but people didn't push hard enough on fixing it / they just didn't care

[spice spire]

True NF hopium connoisseur iceblades

[obtuse robin]

well nf was so good in the start no gave a fuk

burrs went brrr

[spice spire]

NF wasn’t good as much as every other covenant was bad for us, except Kyrian

But Kyrian sin

[hollow river]

Kyrian sin doubters

[spice spire]

[obtuse robin]

i have yet to exp kyrian mechanics and i hope i never will

[gusty mirage]

my torment is over

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

[obtuse robin]

big

[gusty mirage]

run 36

was the magic number

[spice spire]

Me next

[subtle tundra]

cant be me next when i dont farm it

[spice spire]

Imagine running tw m+ on a push week

[gusty mirage]

don't have to

[subtle tundra]

imagine +2ing 26 necrotic wake just to get 28 top

wtf

[brazen zodiac]

that trinket looks juicy but so does HC poe 😫

[spice spire]

That’s a bug report king

[limber lion]

Venth 4p 11031

Fae 4p 12008

Stay mad

[brazen zodiac]

WAIT

I'm late NF 9.2???

[obtuse robin]

[brazen zodiac]

Hi black

[obtuse robin]

hey you

[limber lion]

Tbh it's likely that it'll fall some after the 2p gets nerfed

[brazen zodiac]

Dreams come true

How u been

[wild beacon]

too late i've already switched permanently

[obtuse robin]

chillin

[brazen zodiac]

I got addicted to poe

Forgot about CE :*

:(

[obtuse robin]

im puttin all my hopium into necro now i guess

dam

[oak sky]

Im playing sub next tier see you guys later

[spice spire]

Give me more juice mr. Ceverion

[obtuse robin]

resiming venth whys fucked up lets go

[spice spire]

I must know all sims

[limber lion]

Still less than NF

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

[obtuse robin]

fuck

[limber lion]

Resim, still loses

Unlucky

[oak sky]

No

[dawn ivy]

NIGHT FAE IS GOOD

[oak sky]

Not like this

[glass tulip]

imagine not being 80 in all 4 covs

[obtuse robin]

wait wait

amybe not

[glass tulip]

[oak sky]

Im reaching out to blizzard asking them to make sepsis only give the stealth effect and do no damage

[obtuse robin]

fuck

it is

[limber lion]

Rekt

11.9 venth

12k nf

[wild beacon]

do we need to refarm m+ gear next tier, like phial?

[oak sky]

Yes

[dawn ivy]

thats probably close enough though

[oak sky]

Workable + ratio

[dawn ivy]

when nerfing 2pc will chunk it down a little

and make it lower than venth

[obtuse robin]

yes plz

[limber lion]

Yeah but it's also missing some apl modifications and optimization

[dawn ivy]

it really might be

aight do yo magic im excited to see new tech

[spice spire]

Yeah okay that’s better

I was like 1k off wtf

[limber lion]

No, my secret

[spice spire]

100 is whatever

[oak sky]

Im not leveling night fae

Wait

Was all this without double leggos

[limber lion]

Yes

[oak sky]

Oh

Lol

[limber lion]

Double lego they sim the same

For now

[oak sky]

Its safe then

[limber lion]

Yeh

[spice spire]

Ceverion going into the lab to commit the dark NF tech

[limber lion]

Once I get home

You're done for

[tacit otter]

hey i read that mark of dargrul is trash? is it true or okey-ish?

[oak sky]

I feel like double leggo is week 3

[limber lion]

Just sim yourself, but yeh

Faulty Countermeasure is really good

[oak sky]

Like cov leggos were this patch

[limber lion]

Get that

Whetstone decent in AoE

[tacit otter]

thats why im asking, faulty givin me 0.7% increase and mark gives me 3% (??)

its close to 300 dps

[limber lion]

Huh

Link the sim

[spice spire]

[tacit otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3RBkS98vZJX3K6yFX7GyW3

[limber lion]

Ah dslice

Right

[tacit otter]

oh ye i wasnt pointing that out, mb

[limber lion]

Well Dargrul is fine but it's a bit yikes to play

Sikilar to Decanter from SD

[dawn ivy]

also i think someone mentioned its slightly worse in reality

because it splits but thats nor reflected in sims?

[limber lion]

But you should just stick to Countermeasure tbh

[tacit otter]

i see, thanks guys

[obtuse robin]

fuck so sbs is working in the sims with tier

fuck man i dont want to play nf

[limber lion]

You don't have to

It will lose value with the 2p nerf

[obtuse robin]

true

[limber lion]

Whispyr pins inc, poggies

[spice spire]

Unless

[limber lion]

[obtuse robin]

[spice spire]

New pins

[limber lion]

Hidden tech still hidden

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

We might actually get more options than we thought idk

[spice spire]

The TO/MA With nightstalker talented wombo combo

[oak sky]

Options

[obtuse robin]

and other tier where rogue looking good all around?

nah right

[balmy condor]

Initial Sims and Comparisons:
Will make some graphics and stuff later, but you can view the numbers and sims on my spreadsheet here:
https://bit.ly/3yX1GQc

(Jan 13. Change, removed 100/60/50% columns to reflect tuning, resims will happen when we get a full loot table)

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Oh god the 9.2 pins hit diff

Good shit whisp

[obtuse robin]

one thing is for sure tho

soulshap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dos

[oak sky]

@balmy condor is doomblade implemented?

Like in the 4pc

[balmy condor]

Yeah but Doomblade 4 piece is 0 dps

[oak sky]

I meant does it exsang the dot

Wasnt there a bug there?

[balmy condor]

Yes

It does exsang the dot

But again 0 dps

[oak sky]

Gotcha

I was making sure I didnt misunderstand

Good to know

Duskwalkers it is

[bleak sky]

Fae Dusk = venthyr dusk

[dawn ivy]

its still just always your own mutilate damage just faster right

[bleak sky]

sepsis RISING

[balmy condor]

Cope

[oak sky]

@slow marsh im committed

Duskwalkers

Its time

[obtuse robin]

[spice spire]

Necrolord not dead.

[oak sky]

Dlice

Necro gonna roll dslice

[slow marsh]

called dusk the day double leggos announced

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

welcome to the light

[hollow river]

i have been a heavy endorser of the dusk ever since

[edgy orbit]

does kimbul loa proc work with doomblade

[bleak sky]

but obe + zoldycks tho

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

no

[nimble tartan]

ive been a day 1 sin fan

my brothers its good to be back

[hollow river]

🤮

[oak sky]

aoe deathspike always been good just no st

[oak sky]

Youre our day 1 since day 1 🥶

[bleak sky]

whisp is about to sim m+ stuff

[nimble tartan]

i really am

i been about it

[subtle tundra]

exciting

[bleak sky]

you going for 3k, king?

[subtle tundra]

hopefully

finally playing with some good groups amen

[bleak sky]

bless

[subtle tundra]

even though im playing sub, i go assa for top

😳

[oak sky]

Assa in sanguini

The move

Vanish interrupt gameplay 👀

[bleak sky]

Assa in DoS the move

[oak sky]

Thats an aoe and funnel dungeon

[subtle tundra]

unfortunately, who is gonna kill sentinels,warderns,kaal 😦

[oak sky]

Buggest sub dungeon of all time

[oak sky]

Just dont tell them

[placid pagoda]

So currently fae simming slightly higher but more likely to be nerfed?

[bleak sky]

ardenweald wing is clearly outlaw wing

[limber lion]

Will be nerfed*

It's not likely, it is happening

[placid pagoda]

Thanks Cev

[limber lion]

:)

[dawn ivy]

shadowdust simming weird

[oak sky]

Ur trolling right?

I actually dont want shadowdust

Duskwalkers is fine everything else is fine

But that thing

It scares me

[dawn ivy]

yeah shadowdust just sounds bad

even if it does do good

[agile geode]

Necro too?

[limber lion]

Yes

[bleak sky]

obv lol

[oak sky]

No the set is gonna get nerfed

[agile geode]

Why It Is so big on this early Sims?

[oak sky]

Which nerfs necro and nf

[limber lion]

2p is getting nerfed

[bleak sky]

I'm not that bad at rogue Agreon

[bleak sky]

because it's giga overtuned

[agile geode]

Yy

[limber lion]

Because 2p affects them and the nrw 2p is insane

But we love it

[agile geode]

Yy

Off

Ofc

[limber lion]

NF gamers

[bleak sky]

[agile geode]

Who doesnt love to play necro rogue

[limber lion]

[bleak sky]

this guy right here

[agile geode]

Lol

[bleak sky]

I love gemstone procs but

[agile geode]

I love sbs

And fleshcraft Is so fun

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[agile geode]

The only real race for rogue Is undead guys

The STRONGEST

[spice spire]

Mr. minalba, I’d choose your next words very carefully

[agile geode]

Undead sin necro = perfection

[oak sky]

so is dslice simulationizing happening rn

ew necro shadowdust

[bleak sky]

it is and Dust is popping off

[bleak sky]

is that a threat

[oak sky]

at least its getting nerfed

should save us from going that dog pvp leggo AND losing our util

[spice spire]

It is a promise

[stray mural]

I just read the new pin and glimpsed the spreadsheet. Is the entirety of Sepsis being Shiv buffed or are you just making sure that the end of Sepsis is buffed?

[balmy condor]

sepsis -> shiv

like normal

[stray mural]

I was never Fae as Assa. I didn’t realize it increased the damage.

[balmy condor]

yeh

[stray mural]

Well, I hope it shakes things up in the coming weeks. If it doesn’t, launch will be fun.

Patch gang

[spice spire]

Whíspyr the NF opener kinda coming in clutch

[subtle tundra]

nf omega pogger

i miss my soulshape

omg i havent played assa in m+ for a couple of weeks and just did my first one and i miss it so much

please,blizzard gods make assa good in m+ amen

[bleak sky]

hopefully next tier is sin tier

[oak sky]

shiv

[bleak sky]

joined a halls today with an arcane mage and spriest

and they look at me like I'm the weird one

[muted ivy]

I mean, to be fair there’s close to double the amount of spriests and arcane mages in 20+ keys according to raider.io

[arctic hare]

True

[stray mural]

I like Assa in M+ because you actually have to pay attention to your bleeds

I feel like the other specs get a free pass and can auto-pilot

[slow marsh]

That's part of what makes them good though

Being able to focus more on mechanics going out

[muted ivy]

Idk what you’re talking about, pressing shuriken storm into bp is a very complex rotation

Sometimes I even have to press dance and symbols

[heady drum]

is there a way to snd before pull still?

[bleak sky]

You can MfD into snd sure

but it's probably not good

[heady drum]

ah true

right

did mfd turn out to outperform vigor?

remember there being some talk about that a while a go

[balmy condor]

yes

it does on venth

[bleak sky]

depends on your profile tho

[heady drum]

ait thats cool actually

ill look into it with some sims

'preciate it

[balmy condor]

I haven't seen a profile where ep vig beats ep mfd

[bleak sky]

I'm running a sim just to double check

ayo wtf I swear they simmed similar before a sylvi dagger

this is why whispyr gets paid the big bucks

[gusty mirage]

I don't have a 259 sylv dagger

and I can assure you the closest the two options have been was like 64 dps

[bleak sky]

this is why oxi also gets paid the big bucks

[gusty mirage]

I get paid?

[indigo valley]

i keep trying to do MFD over vigor and it just feels so starved 😦

[gusty mirage]

it slows the opener down a bit, but if you're belf you can throw in torrent in the opener to speed it up a bit

so if you're belf, mut > snd > mut > gar > torrent > flag > rupt

it'll smooth it out for ya

[indigo valley]

ok I'll give that a go, i always forget torrent unless im running BS/DS

[subtle tundra]

mmmm 27 top timed as assa, time to not play assa again for the next 3 weeks

i cry

[gusty mirage]

yeah torrent will make it 'feel' a lot better

[arctic walrus]

So does pi

[indigo valley]

ok well

i used the wrong talents anyways

but i used torrent

and got pi

and it felt better

😐

[oak sky]

that was obedience vs dashing iirc

[bleak sky]

f

[rain kettle]

@pallid bough @balmy condor assa challenge down, thanks for the help yesterday! just took a bit of refining my rotation, and the RSP trinket helped a lot

[pallid bough]

Np

[balmy condor]

np

[pallid bough]

Ye it’s big for almost every challenge

[gusty mirage]

I'm sure KA does too

[rocky sluice]

quick silly question

do you guys pop attack pot before pull or right before shiv/vanish burst?

[gusty mirage]

I just pop it at pull

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage hey I'm a large version of a household appliance that pushes air around

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/below-deck-im-your-biggest-fan-biggest-fan-kate-kate-chastain-gif-15861715

[timid cloud]

I got something you can blow hotrod...

[glacial bough]

is assass mage tower easier than sub?

[balmy condor]

it's easier on the damage check but harder mechanically

[glacial bough]

shite

[balmy condor]

outlaw is easy

sub is rough as a damage check

sin is just a long mechanic check

[glacial bough]

damage and mechanics

my worst qualities !

[sonic schooner]

i dont find it that hard playing with tornado and using lust on the last set of adds

[balmy condor]

yeah I don't find assassination hard either

but dunno

community agrees sin > sub

[sonic schooner]

Well it s spec challenges anyway, i m more confident as sub and sin, so i find outlaw a bit harder even if everybody is agreeing that s ez

[arctic hare]

Once you get used to it, it might start to feel normal

Its what happened to me anyways

[indigo valley]

its definitely feeling better now, that little lull in the opener really messed with the feel of it

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I started tinkering with pooling a bit before the flag rupture and then realized I could just torrent

[thorny pond]

hey oxi

[gusty mirage]

sup cutie

[thorny pond]

❤️

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

one of these pugs I am running with knows you

[spice spire]

He’s a famous man

[gusty mirage]

wat

[thorny pond]

I am in a pug on my horde char

he knows you

[gusty mirage]

what's the character name lol

[thorny pond]

But that's like saying I know brad pitt

furrytit

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

I'm getting got here aren't I

[thorny pond]

Negative sir

[balmy condor]

oxi famous with everyone that's too scared to talk to me

because I'm too scary

[thorny pond]

I will send screen in a moment

[balmy condor]

[thorny pond]

mid pull

[gusty mirage]

only person on my friends list that's in a dungeon is an officer in my guild

[spice spire]

True

[balmy condor]

if anyone reading right now thinks I'm scary, dm me

I just wanna talk

[gusty mirage]

it's a trap

don't do it

[thorny pond]

oxi

see

no kek

[gusty mirage]

ye I have no idea who that person is

[thorny pond]

whelp

They said your name in discord

[fallow otter]

That guy is just addicted to prescription meds and he's off his rocker rn

He wants anther oxy

[spice spire]

Can confirm, was told to drink bleach

[bleak sky]

That person is just oxi's alt

And oxi is pretending that it's not

[spice spire]

Nah anytime I’m with a rogue I get hit with the “is that THEE oxi”

Like I’m chopped liver

[gusty mirage]

Beach has me on bnet

[bleak sky]

Second account

[gusty mirage]

my second account is EU

so I can druid simp for @limber lion

[bleak sky]

Third secret account

[gusty mirage]

bro I aint got that kinda money to invest in this terrible game

[bleak sky]

[arctic walrus]

why is this guy famous??

[thorny pond]

Oxi is the hottest. He hangs out with the coolest dudes and wears the freshest clothes. Plus he’s jacked. You wouldn’t say that shit to him at lan

[spice spire]

Because he’s horde

[thorny pond]

Y’all jealous and it’s pathetic

[spice spire]

You’d be triple as famous if you weren’t alliance :/

[balmy condor]

yo what this is slander

hello

[spice spire]

?????

[thorny pond]

Who

[spice spire]

Vel

Lol

Oh no I fell victim

[thorny pond]

Dn

[balmy condor]

the only victim here is me

smh

making me seem like a big meanie

[thorny pond]

Whispyr just wants love Quake. Can’t you see that?

[obtuse robin]

i saw all the stress whispyr has when he sims and stuff doesnt make sense he needs a way to let it out

[bleak sky]

Quake doesn't seem to feel loved tbh

[obtuse robin]

i dont judge him

[bleak sky]

I can treat you better quake.......forget whispyr.....

[cerulean nest]

any tips on KT CD timings?

[fallow otter]

Mythic? If so, work with your group. Solo cds are not how that fight works

Better off doing your role

[spice spire]

I saw that follow dw mr. minalba

Was the one I meant to use

[bleak sky]

It's hard to parse on kt

At least it feels like it

[cerulean nest]

yeah i dont even plan on parsing lol we're just holding lockouts at this point

[bleak sky]

Oh

[cerulean nest]

just want to be the most useful

[bleak sky]

The hard part is coordinating phylactery vs non phylactery sides

And there's not much you can do tbh

If people want to blast the adds they will

Unless you're going phylactery but I don't know anything about that

[cerulean nest]

I'm going down yeah

[gusty mirage]

idk bro people want a greenie they can relate to

not a gaming god such as yourself

[timid cloud]

Whispyr & Oxi are meanies.

[balmy condor]

I'm not meanie

I'm softie

I'm just sarcastic

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Someone asked me if they should hold HB for MA window

I don’t…. I don’t even have sims for that

[bleak sky]

Hb as in hidden blades...?

[thorny pond]

Yes

[bleak sky]

Papa bless them

[balmy condor]

if it lines up nicely

otherwise no

[thorny pond]

I mean. Is there hold conditions? Ever

[balmy condor]

you want to cast at 29 stacks

to make sure to not overcap

[thorny pond]

I thought if FoK conditions were met you press it

Like if four targets are present and you have 3 stacks, you gotta FoK right?

Can’t just mutilate and wait

[balmy condor]

you press it in single target at max-1 stacks

[thorny pond]

I’m with ya

I think he meant in AoE

I’ve always just followed the FoK rule

[balmy condor]

in aoe it's just a "your fok does more damage"

you don't play around it at all

[thorny pond]

Right. That’s what I thought. The MA thing threw me for a loop

[slow marsh]

Yo what I miss

We talking NF optimizations or what

[obtuse robin]

[balmy condor]

I do have 1.6% worth of dust optimizations atm

[slow marsh]

I just saw that

I was just about to say it's nice to see dust putting in work for aoe

I'd imagine it still has no shot in beating dusk in st tho

[oak sky]

No seriously fuck dust

If we have to play that in m+ we lose the util vanish

[slow marsh]

Won't really matter when we have shiv 2p

[oak sky]

In which case we just dont play it

[gusty mirage]

bro we haven't had vanish as a utility in m+

in like

forever

[slow marsh]

He just means subt silences I think

[oak sky]

Yeah thats it

[slow marsh]

Which don't matter anyways because if you're holding that you're not doing damage

[oak sky]

Since its not worth using for damage rn

[gusty mirage]

dang yall consider garrote silence as utility?

man our class is down bad

[balmy condor]

wait what

[gusty mirage]

papa blizz help

[balmy condor]

why are we losing the iron wire?

[oak sky]

M+ utility oxi

Dont we have to troll our vanish for dust?

To get shiv back

[slow marsh]

No

[twilit hollow]

somebody save me from Vault of the Wardens

[gusty mirage]

I get that

[oak sky]

Isnt that the whole point of dust

[gusty mirage]

but like

idk

[slow marsh]

You open 3x garrets then shiv spread until garrets are in pandemic then vanish Garret again

[balmy condor]

dust rotation is vanish 3x gar shiv

[slow marsh]

Ye you don't lose anything for dust

[oak sky]

We lose our flexibility

Wdym

[slow marsh]

Flexibility for what

[oak sky]

The silences

[gusty mirage]

I get what he's saying

[slow marsh]

Do you want to do real damage or not

[oak sky]

Not having them when you want them

[balmy condor]

I don't get what he's saying

[oak sky]

Because you have to use it for damage

[gusty mirage]

banking a vanish into 3x garrotes in some pulls can save a pull

[slow marsh]

He wants to choose to hold vanish for silences

[gusty mirage]

because most dps forget to bind kick

so they have to /cast Counterspell

[slow marsh]

I mean I get where you coming from but when you have the option to finally do huge aoe dam why wouldn't you just take it

[balmy condor]

but we don't hold vanishes for silences right now eitehr

[gusty mirage]

it's useful for saving gaps in interrupts, but most of the super important interrupts aren't even effected by garrote silence

[balmy condor]

if you aren't vanishing you're losing dps

[gusty mirage]

also true

[oak sky]

And if you dont interrupt you wipe

[balmy condor]

yeah but iron wire isn't enabling anything

[slow marsh]

No you blame monk for not sweeping

[hollow river]

do you want to do FEKING 40K DUD?

or do you want to slience monsters

[oak sky]

Why blame someone else for a problem you can sopve

Solve

[slow marsh]

Because too busy doing 50k to care

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

I would rather do 50 with a legendary that lets me hold my vanish if possible

[slow marsh]

What does sub do in that situation

[oak sky]

50k

[hollow river]

uses it's shadow dance to cheap shot everything

[gusty mirage]

because shouldering the entire group survivability on an individual's dps cd is just bad interrupt management by the group

tbh

if a group needs you to hold vanish into 3x silences

they don't deserve to time that key

[slow marsh]

Yeah idk I get where you're coming from but I disagree with the concept

[oak sky]

I'm a pugger I want to time it anyway

[gusty mirage]

don't get me wrong I know exactly what you mean, and I agree to a certain extent where the dps loss can be worth it

[hollow river]

yeah idk if i've ever NEEDED the 3x silences

for any key

[gusty mirage]

but like it's unfair to you to shoulder that responsibility

[slow marsh]

Let's be honest boys

[oak sky]

I mean ideally you use it for damage

But in practical situations you do whatever it takes

[slow marsh]

The silence / iron wire is just a feel good excuse for why we aren't doing damage

[oak sky]

?

[slow marsh]

I'm helping the team

Instead of doing damage

It's noble

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

But in the end like whisp said your leggo choice doesn't affect your decision to not vanish on cd

[oak sky]

Its definitely a bigger gain to vanish on cd with dust because thats the entire purpose of taking the leggo

In normal keys you just lose some damage

[slow marsh]

I mean you're trolling just the same holding vanish playing zold

[oak sky]

By sometimes holding

[gusty mirage]

eh, when I look at m+ players I look to see the little shit they do

couldn't care less about damage done

[oak sky]

Tl;dr play sub dont think

[gusty mirage]

essentially yeah

make your only decision, funnel vs pad

[spice spire]

We’re not damage we’re utility bro

Promise

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

Its weird because I never said those words

[spice spire]

I’m trolling oxi

Real no sleep hours mr. agreon

[gusty mirage]

yeah the dude had a bad day so he's taking it out on me

he's earned it

I do it to him daily

[spice spire]

It’s true but he’s a good lad

[oak sky]

But you would never take it out on george's face

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Never in a million years king

[gusty mirage]

George > Me

and its not even close

[spice spire]

He got the best head scratches when I got home

[oak sky]

George> all of us

[spice spire]

George > name a person

[gusty mirage]

George > Val?

[oak sky]

Uh oh

[slow marsh]

Ooooooo things just got interesting

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Nah I can’t compare

[gusty mirage]

this man's ready for marriage

I expect my invitation in the mail

ty

[spice spire]

They’re my number one and two depending on which is mad at me

Dw king

[slow marsh]

Imagine getting married

[spice spire]

Mr. iceblades how’s the wife

[gusty mirage]

I'll bring a step ladder for us to take a picture together

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

Good she playing bejeweled

Asking why I'm laughing out loud

[spice spire]

Step ladder what are you doing

[gusty mirage]

aren't you like significantly taller than my short ass?

[spice spire]

“Are you being a NF apologist aren’t you?”

I’m literally six foot

[oak sky]

Short king

[slow marsh]

Dang short

[spice spire]

The four inches ain’t night and day

[gusty mirage]

unless you want to nuzzle me in your bosom in the picture

I'm game for either one

[oak sky]

What 5'8 isnt bad

[spice spire]

5’8 is like right at average kings

You ain’t 5’4

[gusty mirage]

I could be

what if I'm lying

[spice spire]

Don’t sweat it

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Lying on the internet

Wtf

[slow marsh]

Who does that

[spice spire]

Plus we love all kings; short and tall

[gusty mirage]

I'm a lawyer, I lie everywhere

[oak sky]

True

In Bedge when ur supposed to be in court

[gusty mirage]

naw no court tomorrow

just annoying clients

[spice spire]

No work tomorrow

Hence the 19

[gusty mirage]

bro get some sleep

[spice spire]

Nah

Soon tho

[slow marsh]

You gonna ptr test tomorrow?

[oak sky]

Still 10 here party hours 🥳

Iceblades have you been pugging raid testing

[slow marsh]

I want to ptr test with non shitters man

Yeah

[oak sky]

Oof

[slow marsh]

Rogues in here doing 5-6k

[oak sky]

Nice

They gamin

[slow marsh]

I'm topping meters as a poor unbuffed tier sin rogue

It's sickening

[gusty mirage]

Don’t invite me then wtf

[hollow river]

just find someone in a guild that's testing

and ask if you can join

[gusty mirage]

I’m garbage

[slow marsh]

Psh

[gusty mirage]

Also I got a cos for you

[slow marsh]

💦

[oak sky]

Someone say cos?

[gusty mirage]

Iceblades tried helping me in like 8 vaults he gets priority

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

Lmao

Im gonna be trolling lfg in about 20 minutes either way

[bleak sky]

Damage reduction and silence? Hell ye it's utility

[gusty mirage]

Trinket acquired though

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

Sorry I'm catching up on the messages

You have the ring

I can't get one for the life of me

(says the guy who ran 1 court and called it a day)

[slow marsh]

That came out like 💩

Soon ™️

[bleak sky]

Garret tier?

[slow marsh]

IB only tier

[spice spire]

Always has been

[oak sky]

IB is a world talent

It was nice on kt

[balmy condor]

just catching up