assassination

[cold rampart]

i thought double edge of night would be better

the affect stacks doesnt it?

[gusty mirage]

It does

Which is why I recommend simming it 🙂

It’s better for sub

Because deeper daggers applies to the effect and they generate more CP than we do

[cold rampart]

oh shieeet

[umbral summit]

so I guess if Shiv crits for 2cp then it's best to hold your vanish for the envenom, since a non crit mutilate will max your CPs in that instance?

[plush isle]

thats fucked up, havent seen the Dagger myself, not in Normal, Hero or Mythic

[umbral summit]

I know it's like a 2dps difference overall, just curious

[gusty mirage]

What I’ve been doing if shiv crits, is I send a mutilate and then envenom and then I vanish into mut > env > mut > env

[umbral summit]

ooooh

[dawn ivy]

@gusty mirage buddy you need a green defias mask or something

the green name and the red mask is jarring

[gusty mirage]

it’s festive

[dawn ivy]

the defias color and the red mask was CRISP

LOL

fair enough

[oak sky]

Oxi with authority 😳

[gusty mirage]

I’ll likely be cancelling my patreon soon anyway because you’re right

[gusty mirage]

Naw I’m just a regular guy, a budget @limber lion if you will

[oak sky]

Except you play the game

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

It certainly will, even now the 246 ain’t that big of a deal to us off hand

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

You don’t like that 34k banshee’s blight?

[spice spire]

Bro I love that huge fragger damage

[gusty mirage]

Still waiting for my 259 edge, BLIZZARD PLZ

[umbral summit]

this is why I don't ever come to the Rogue discord

no dagger

[cold rampart]

cute

today i got mine

after double of ur tries

[uneven summit]

18 pulls? that´s nothing

[gusty mirage]

[near bane]

Im giving up, no money left, hope they nerf something soon enough, I'm not supposed to cheese the shit out of that with bad scaled gear/enchants and tons of gold

[umbral summit]

I'm not farming normal because it's a downgrade

I was at first, total is like 27 kills

=/

[dawn ivy]

just gotta ignore the dagger

it will come

[plush isle]

kekw

[spice spire]

He’s not wrong

Never have I sweat it

[umbral summit]

we're working on sylvanas p3 so I'm still hoping for a mythic version first kill

[spice spire]

Gotten and gifted 3

[dawn ivy]

gifted my first yesterday

felt like a king

[gusty mirage]

Tryin to sneak my way into a flashpoint reclear right now

[plush isle]

24 hc kills, never seen one, even for other rogues

[oak sky]

Oxi become big dog

[dawn ivy]

hey we're doing community runs on mondays now, we're starting to prog kt/sylv

[gusty mirage]

Bruh after 20 wipes on pain last night I’m down bad

[oak sky]

Oh no dude

Vietnam flashbacks

[gusty mirage]

The real Vietnam flashbacks is getting benched for sylv 2 weeks in a row

[oak sky]

The balls are everywhere

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Noooooo

For me the flashbacks would be not rekilling sylv

[gusty mirage]

That’s not a flashback that’s reality for me homie

[spice spire]

The eye was the herald

[oak sky]

Idk maybe i should get apping soon

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay dagger in vault Tuesday for sure

[oak sky]

I like the boys a lot

[gusty mirage]

I mean I’ve gotten 2 pieces of sylv loot from vault since switching to illidan

[oak sky]

Lol

Thats

How many ive gotten

Period

And i killed her weeks before you

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s weird

[spice spire]

The illidari gorilla strikes again

[gusty mirage]

Shino got the belt and then the chest, then I open vault later that day and belt and chest

So I yelled at him to get painsmith weapon so I can get my dagger

[oak sky]

I keep feeling like im loot cucked but theres mfs more down bad than me thsts for sure

[gusty mirage]

Because we’re clearly cursed together

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

My sylv chest has avoidance on it though

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage this week if you three vault it’s a guaranteed ring or dagger

[gusty mirage]

Walking around with a casual 11% avoidance now

[spice spire]

I’m leaning dagger rn

[oak sky]

I have 5% leech

[gusty mirage]

Ring

No ring pls

[oak sky]

Strutting around with bis trinkets

[gusty mirage]

I’m walking around like Tom Brady rn

Too much jewelry

[spice spire]

Faulty

[oak sky]

252 phial 246 countermeasure both with leech

[spice spire]

God damn

How many vaults

[gusty mirage]

Got a better chance of looting a sylv dagger off KT

[oak sky]

Did you hear what happened to me oxi

[gusty mirage]

No sir

[oak sky]

With the ring

2 keys in a row

Holy paladin gets the drop

Rolls it away

I lose

[gusty mirage]

Bring me along I got you

[dawn ivy]

i need more avoidance, only got it on sylv ring and dagger

[oak sky]

I randomly ended up in a run with driney

[gusty mirage]

I’m hoping I can sneak more avoidance on gear

Right now I got the sylv chest and the eye gloves with it

[dawn ivy]

with theotar food i have a little over 11%

[oak sky]

Pretty lucky for you guys

I just want any raid stuff fuck the avoidance

[gusty mirage]

Avoidance is bis

[oak sky]

I can worry about avoidance next tier

Give me kt shoulders

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

I'm pretty excited about 9.2

[gusty mirage]

Got them my 2nd KT kill

[oak sky]

Yeah 9.2 gonna slap for sure

[oak sky]

Dude i only have gotten the trinket and i finessed the neck

[gusty mirage]

Trinket

[oak sky]

Our bear took it upon himself to give me the neck special

Hid it from loot council

[dawn ivy]

i finally looted the kt trinket just to use on a target dummy its so weird

[oak sky]

So when i lost the roll the boy had me with the hookups

[dawn ivy]

feels like it should be HUGE but its just bad :/

[oak sky]

Yeah happens

[spice spire]

Unethical

[oak sky]

Shit do suck on occasion

[oak sky]

2 got dropped that week

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

He said he voted for me to get the first one but he saved the 2nd one for me

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Since ive been down bad with loot compared to everyone else

[gusty mirage]

We did that in my last guild

I was the deciding vote for remnant neck

[oak sky]

Every time i dont get loot another person can trade me 😈

[zealous marsh]

2nd week of vault boys hell yeah

[gusty mirage]

So I gave it to my boy and he was the deciding vote for me for the guardian trinket

[oak sky]

Gz nym

[dawn ivy]

thats a feelsbadman

edge and phial

pepelaugh

[spice spire]

Phial and edge

[gusty mirage]

Bro I’d cry

[dawn ivy]

right?!

[zealous marsh]

i've got phial last week

[dawn ivy]

oh ok fuck you

[zealous marsh]

[dawn ivy]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

I would take 2nd edge

[strange python]

I have a second 246 edge now - it sims like 130'ish higher as sub for me than my 252, but as sin, it's a wash basically.

[gusty mirage]

Imagine having one 259 sylv dagger already

[strange python]

man i'd love to go into next tier with a 259 sylv dagger...

[gusty mirage]

Hey man same

[dawn ivy]

youve still got like 10 lockouts and 10 caches, it will drop

[zealous marsh]

yeah man you can do it

if i can you can too

[gusty mirage]

[dawn ivy]

Im excited to see the person who comes in here and shows they got their first 259 EoN in their cache in the final reset of 9.1

that will be a HUGE RELIEF, i couldnt even imagine

[gusty mirage]

I’m in this picture and I don’t like it

[zealous marsh]

imagine getting 259 eon on 9.2

cache

when patch hits

[gusty mirage]

I mean you’d probably still run it oh until you get something that’s a better ilvl

[zealous marsh]

yea but still

[dawn ivy]

hahaah hey the dopamine of seeing it in that FINAL CACHE will be euphoric

[zealous marsh]

and then next thing you would think of would be fuck why so late

[dawn ivy]

im willing to bet a good portion of raiders will kill zo'vall with at least 1 259 EoN

[strange python]

yeah great in 9.2 I can start my luck of running 10 15's and never getting a weapon again

[zealous marsh]

some of them will have 2

[dawn ivy]

yeah wr50 or really unlucky rogues

[zealous marsh]

@gusty mirage oxi will have 2 for sure!

[gusty mirage]

Still waiting for my first friend but I appreciate you

Tuesday for sure

[zealous marsh]

for sure

[obtuse plover]

The vault we all want, it will happen one day

[golden basalt]

I keep thinking I’ve given up on the dagger

but every vault just as I click my mind goes “maybe this is it” and I jinx myself once again

[marble hemlock]

thats kinda not the vault you want

having to choose between phial/dagger

[obtuse plover]

I mean he also said he already got phial 🙂

[marble hemlock]

yeah well

[zealous marsh]

yeah i've got phial week before

it was crazy 2 weeks

[alpine latch]

@spice spire I killed Tarragrue as Outlaw last night and remembered that I don't like Outlaw so I went back to Sin. lol

[zealous marsh]

i've looted kt shoulds, sylv ring, guardian trink, sylv chest ring from Court, phial from vault and next week dagger from vault

certainly loot RNG was with me

or at least raid leader was

[alpine latch]

My alt Rogue (I mained Horde before coming back to Alliance, so my Alliance rogue was my "alt" at the time) looted Edge of Night and I won the roll for the Dom chest. That next Tuesday I got the ring from the GV. I got all my Sylv items within 2 days of each other, basically.

My Horde rogue took 34 PF keys to get Phial, my alt got it on her second run

[zealous marsh]

well it's same for my rogue

[alpine latch]

Sometimes you just get lucky like that, which is why I hate the current gearing path in WoW and much prefer FFXIV's gearing system

[zealous marsh]

for some reason i don't need like farm for 50 times for phial or ring some dungeon to get sth

it just drops in max 10 runs

this patch i've got all the stuff 2nd week i didn't have valors to upgrade them

[obtuse plover]

I had something similar aswell, started a rogue cuz we needed a venthyr. Killed Sylv HC on tuesday got daggers, killed Sylv on wednesday got daggers again 😄

[spark scaffold]

Is this on mythic wtf

[alpine latch]

No, heroic. I've only killed M Tarragrue and Ner'zhul

[zealous marsh]

well heroic doesn't count

[alpine latch]

And I've gotten into P3 of Painsmith

[zealous marsh]

nowadays you get there in with guild they just drag you and you are full equipped

[alpine latch]

My best Painsmith pull is around 34% or something like that. Once we get that second transition down it's down

Yeah, I'm the one doing the dragging

We are trying to get to 20 to actually do Mythic

But one of our members is in a 9/10M guild that has a 5/10M team as well, and I've been progging with their 5/10M team

[zealous marsh]

i will tell you

the moment we got skip

and started to run sylvanas in one group on farm after first kill

[alpine latch]

You never killed the other bosses again? lol

The issue I'm running into is no one is back clearing

[zealous marsh]

we are clearing it smoothly

it's just ppl changed mindset

it's mystical first kill

[alpine latch]

yeah

[zealous marsh]

we were stuck for 2 weeks coz we wanted our "new" tank to get CE and it was rather painful

clicking one vendetta on phase 1 hurts

but hey stop dps is stop dps

i would rather kill the boss then wipe

[spice spire]

return of the king

[alpine latch]

I gotta give those 85%ers a run for their money

[dawn ivy]

glad to see you came to your senses quickly, saw you talking in OL channel last night and got worried you had lost your way

[alpine latch]

hahaha

Outlaw sims 400 DPS higher than me

I got smashed on Tarragrue (Our Spriest got like 4 power zones and 3 different PIs)

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but then you’d have to play outlaw

[alpine latch]

So I swapped to Sin and smashed everyone to remind them that I'm the king of the guild

[gusty mirage]

[reef axle]

So think we gonna rework 2 set or they gonna leave us with the wet noodle 2 set?

[gusty mirage]

Well they already announced the 2pc changes

#assassination message

Scari said that he’ll continue tweaking it as well

[alpine latch]

wait

Our bleeds ALWAYS crit now?

With the 2pc?

[gusty mirage]

Ye

All our bleeds will

Gives us some aoe/cleave love

You know what that means boys?

You slam that shit on CD next patch, ESPECIALLY in aoe

[marble hemlock]

always 30% of the time if you press shiv on cd

wonder if it also means the initial hit from CT will have 100% crit, so you spam CT on aoe while shiv is active :x

and SBS

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I wonder if they’ll make it work with sudden fractures

[marble hemlock]

i wonder if you could be any cuter

[winter moss]

so is it only while shiv is active on a target or just flat out for 9 seconds

[marble hemlock]

we dont know

[gusty mirage]

I could be if I could wake up looking like you

Ye afaik scari’s changes didn’t make it in this ptr build right?

[alpine latch]

Good news.. I do that anyway

[gusty mirage]

Good man

[alpine latch]

I'll hold Shiv for a second or two to get some energy back, but the longest I try to hold Shiv is like 3s

If there's a bad overlap and I wasn't able to pool, I'll sit on it but never more than a second or two

[gusty mirage]

You ever pug as assassination and then the tank decides to chain when the mob is at 2% and you just get sad? Or is that just me

[onyx raptor]

anyone happen to know if it's better to hold the flag to pair with vend+trink if you got the faulty countermeasure? or still better to use it on cd if you get an extra usage?

[gusty mirage]

Just use it on CD

Vendetta doesn’t effect trinkets

[alpine latch]

You only hold flag for Vendetta if it's the last cast of the fight as well

[gusty mirage]

And flag’s haste would affect the trinket

[alpine latch]

Otherwise it's not worth

[gusty mirage]

But generally not worth holding

[alpine latch]

Also, generally speaking... I like Outlaw as a concept because I liked Combat. But Outlaw just feels bad to play, IMO

I really like the idea of playing around a 25s CD. You pool everything into it, burst hard, and then recover and go again.

Outlaw just feels like there isn't enough GCDs to do everything you need to do

I need to suck it up and just learn Sub for keys though

[strange python]

sub is pretty easy for keys imo

[gusty mirage]

Bring back combat daggers blizzard pls and ty

[strange python]

takes like 2-3 runs to get a feel for it all (don't start low btw - do like 15's or greater)

On non-tyran week, you're pretty much bursting the whole boss lol

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I need to figure out Sub. I haven't played it since like WoD

[spice spire]

Sub keys

[alpine latch]

I don't like the who "shadow magic ninja" theme it has going on

People give me snarky comments when I'm Sin in 18-20s

😦

[strange python]

i've run all my 20's but one as sin

in fact, i've timed them and been top dmg overall

[alpine latch]

My Kyrian Arms warrior beats me by like 1200 DPS every fucking time

[strange python]

i've never had a single person say anything about being sin over sub though

[alpine latch]

The dude just pumps in keys hard

[strange python]

oh you run with a team...i just pug it

[alpine latch]

I have some friends I run with

But I pug a ton too

[gusty mirage]

Mad

[alpine latch]

We're trying to build a push comp but it's never worked out

[strange python]

It helps that I play all covenants except Kyrian so

I can get into 6 dung's pretty easily normally

[gusty mirage]

Tell him to play fury

Then you’ll never sniff his overall

Ever

[alpine latch]

lol

[gusty mirage]

Just obscene damage man

[strange python]

so boomies getting hit had in 9.2 i heard - apparently their discord is in shambles

[gusty mirage]

I want us to be broken like that, outlaw rogues ruined it for us

[alpine latch]

He's doing just fine. He's 2400 on both Arms and Fury

[strange python]

I finally got an enhance last night on a heroic guardian pull - and the boomie still beat me.

dude if sin was broken for a tier - IMMEDIATE HOTFIX

[gusty mirage]

It kinda was in 9.0.5

[alpine latch]

Our Boomkin doesn't even come close to my damage

I destroy him

[strange python]

I pulled 10,576 and the boomie did 11,305

[spice spire]

I do love a fulfilling two button aoe rotation

[gusty mirage]

Between the aura buffs and the rework for venthyr and necrolord and doomblade

[spice spire]

Just makes me feel warm inside

[gusty mirage]

We had dps stonks

[gusty mirage]

Sometimes you refresh slice and dice

[spice spire]

Oh mb

[gusty mirage]

Yeah man 2.5 buttons

Get it right

[spice spire]

BIG TECH

Sub ST is at least semi fun

[gusty mirage]

Think of the funnel damage though

[strange python]

I don't mind sub 2 button aoe

[viscid spear]

I need a jar, and a funnel

[strange python]

kinda beats thinking

[viscid spear]

If we wanted to not have to think,. we'd roll DH

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire you’re in this message

[spice spire]

Damn

Why you gotta out quakepapi like that

Me next tier tho

[gusty mirage]

Because I’m emotionally damaged and this is how I show my love

I mean wait what

[spice spire]

Damn

Real

[signal badger]

Is duskwalker currently viable for KT?

[regal cape]

Like do you mean can you kill it with dusk?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah depends on your definition of viable

[regal cape]

Or are you asking if it's specifically better on that fight

[signal badger]

Lol uh I guess am I trolling using it, being sent down and boss damage is an issue before phase sometimes was thinking if I can reliably get vendetta to 1 min it may help

[regal cape]

Just ask for fairies :)

[red plaza]

You can only do so much.

[regal cape]

But I mean idk I would think a 1 min lashing would be more useful

And much easier to get with obi

If you're looking for more cd usage

[signal badger]

Yeah that’s probably better, ty 🙂

[regal cape]

At least you can refund legos now

[alpine latch]

Bugfixes:

Doomblade, Serrated Bonespike, and Sepsis aren’t affected by either 2 or 4-piece bonuses```

So does this mean that 2pc WILL impact those now?

Or does that mean it was a bug that it did and that's been fixed?

I don't have the context of that bugfix so I don't know how to read it

[gusty mirage]

Unlikely that it’ll affect doomblade

As it’s never crit

[zealous marsh]

well english isn't my first language but i suppose it won't affect those mentioned

cause it was a bug

[gusty mirage]

And 4pc affecting doom is kinda irrelevant because it’s based on the mutilate damage

[zealous marsh]

and it's kinda short

[gusty mirage]

Yep

[strange python]

Does it stack though currently?

[gusty mirage]

And instantly refreshes when you mutilate

No

Doesn’t pandemic either

[zealous marsh]

and bonespike on current build?

how you want to shorten bonespike

[marble hemlock]

i mean, it doesnt really stack, but it also accurately calculates the damage dynamically

[spice spire]

It’s hard

[strange python]

So if mutilate bleed expires 100% faster - that means it will do its damage over 4 sec instead of 8 - which means double teh amount of ticks before you overwrite.

[marble hemlock]

youre not losing dmg by casting another mutilate before the doomblade debuff runs out

[strange python]

That actually does matter.

[spice spire]

They’ve tried in the past - but it ends up crashing the servers

On sbs*

[zealous marsh]

hard because it's bone

you get that?

[spice spire]

Good one

[zealous marsh]

[gusty mirage]

Yeah except it won’t because the bleed dynamically changes damage based on how much damage your mutilate did

[marble hemlock]

if you cast 2 mutilates in quick succession, the debuff will have the same duration, but will update dynamically so the first few ticks will deal more damage than the last one (as the first few ticks are in the overlap from 2 seperate 8sec debuffs that each correctly deal the %damage from the mutilate that caused it)

[gusty mirage]

It’s weird

It’ll be more damage

But like realistically… how much more?

[strange python]

oh ok - so the bleed doesn't refresh or stack, but casting another mutilate into a target where mutilated flesh is already ticking - updates the damage remaining (currently) so yeah you're right

[spice spire]

But wait @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

Doomblade rework 2.0? Stacks damage from up to 2 mutilates?

[spice spire]

We go no haste and pool in between mutilate

[gusty mirage]

This is almost as fried as the night fae mastery shit

[spice spire]

“Almost”

[gusty mirage]

[zealous marsh]

spam aoe mutilate on doomblade because shiv

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

But mutilated flesh doesn’t crit

[zealous marsh]

make it crit

[strange python]

But its damgae is increased if the original hit was a crit?

[spice spire]

That sounds so painful

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[strange python]

so it's a wash there then

[spice spire]

The damage does, but the bleed itself will not crit

[hollow river]

What if we had a chance to mutilate everything in our vicinity when we use a finisher?? Like subs set

[gusty mirage]

Yeah so the 2pc does nothing for doom and the 4pc is like a smidgen of more damage

[strange python]

that makes sense actually

[spice spire]

And yet, it may be the legendary we choose

Duskwalkers likely though

[zealous marsh]

insane buff to fae incoming

[clever kindle]

so the 4 pc affects doomblade now pogu

[strange python]

doomblade feels good to use anyway so

[zealous marsh]

[hollow river]

I feel like combo points are worth more on sin than the other 2

[gusty mirage]

Speak for yourself, I’m taking my talents to invoker’s

[strange python]

if doomblade was like 2% behind duskwalkers, i'm using it anyway

[hollow river]

The other 2 cycle through so fast

[gusty mirage]

If you need me I’ll be spinning in maldraxxus

[clever kindle]

combo points more valuable to outlaw for cdr

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

That’s my line

[strange python]

whose line is it anyway

[gusty mirage]

Do you even have a monk?

[spice spire]

I just said - mine

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I do

[marble hemlock]

shouldnt you be spinning in vault instead?

[gusty mirage]

Too busy coping with the fact that I got benched 2 weeks in a row for sylv

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

So I’ll have plenty of time tonight don’t you worry

[marble hemlock]

its cause youre so good, they dont need to see you play

and since theyre not killing the boss anyway, youre not missing out on loot either

so theyre saving you a bunch of stupid wipes

[gusty mirage]

[zealous marsh]

it was talent from wotlk wasn't it working for whole raid?

[gusty mirage]

Seli was napping during the painsmith fiasco last night @spice spire

[zealous marsh]

what if it could be our utility impact

[clever kindle]

we got an hour of pulls on Sylvanas then had 2 members taken out by a snow storm

then another quarter got taken out by DC issues

[strange python]

last night? We had major dc issues

[clever kindle]

and we were already down a healer for the night

[spice spire]

I was asleep too

[strange python]

from the blizzard services going up and down

[clever kindle]

everyone did they were either being DDOSed or Amazon was having issues

[spice spire]

I saw you kill the nine and Val yoinked me to bed

[strange python]

then we were all stuck in SOD - so we all went to bed

[spice spire]

that autocorrect

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I was like damn, he did 300 more than me

[gusty mirage]

Wait I out dps’d you with you getting kindred?

[spice spire]

Nah

Haven’t gotten KA in like

3 weeks?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Even with KA you out sim me

[gusty mirage]

My wft got dc’d last night

[spice spire]

You have a WFT Too?

[gusty mirage]

I gave her a painsmith weapon

I earned that shit

[strange python]

My fire mage GM let's me get KA every few weeks to stop me from being sad. Community problem tbh

[gusty mirage]

Mental health external for the rogues

Feels bad man

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k7TfD66CseWacEfTXDrWbx

@gusty mirage

Just gotta get that eye parse now no excuses

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

The custom APL is the kindred external

[gusty mirage]

You and your voodoo

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3p7oyNW4cT7aWjbEBPzGR6

Almost 13k

[gusty mirage]

Any Druid simps in chat???

[spice spire]

@wild lantern

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Literally in the name king

[gusty mirage]

She’s venthyr now

[spice spire]

I think I just puked

[marble hemlock]

psure its not an actual link

she just links a wiki article on kyrians

[spice spire]

Ahhh I see yes

[gusty mirage]

[fallen arch]

Lol Oxi green name

Mad

Gz

[viscid spear]

Oxi has mold growing on him

[spice spire]

Rude

[frigid kestrel]

@gusty mirage has ascended, it’s really been a while since I lurked

[thorny pond]

Jude says boomkins going Kyrian next tier

Big mastery from KA

[rotund drift]

totally lost sight on assa m+, zoldyck+venth? or obedience?

[upbeat needle]

did they nerf countermeasures and CoS ring?

[upbeat needle]

zoldyc only if ur not venthyr but obedience is just really good in keys

especially if you have a WW monk or some shit that just delete packs it's better to just have the prio damage bc you're not gonna get much value out of zold

[rotund drift]

aight, gotcha

[arctic walrus]

What is this can’t seem on mobile

[rotund drift]

stats are still crit > master =haste?

[upbeat needle]

on Obe?

[upbeat needle]

You want Crit/Vers if you plan to multi spec and use it as Sub bc Haste dogshit for Sub

if not Crit Haste

[rotund drift]

aightaight

[upbeat needle]

personally I'd just do Crit Vers all the way though

also craft on back

[spice spire]

KA added, that’s it

[rotund drift]

vers on assa? feels weird haha also i just checked and im still #6 m+ assa rogue on my server, feelsbadman

[upbeat needle]

you can even crit mastery tbh

bc if you're doing pure M+ haste starts to lose value and mastery takes over

u won't quite need a shit ton of haste for energy regen bc you got a million dots on everytthing

[rotund drift]

sim always puts me on more haste, even tho i could go to like 30% mastery with 16% haste

[spice spire]

Instead of doing dungeon slice, try multiple boss targets. That might skew it a bit

Because dungeon slice combined ST, cleave, and aoe, as a lot of dungeons do

[bleak sky]

go for rank 1 king

[strange python]

i'm gonna find me a server to xfer to so i can be r1 server

[bleak sky]

where's the fun in that tho

[spice spire]

Rank 1 the hardest server to rank 1

[bleak sky]

bleeding hollow at the moment on na

[spice spire]

At one point I was top 5 sin on MG, now I’m doubtful I’m too 20

Zero?

[bleak sky]

zero is eu gamer

[glass tulip]

Shut up minalba you're still #2 lol

For spec rank, that is

[bleak sky]

I'M TRYING OK

RIPTACK IS TOO GOOD

[spice spire]

I wasn’t sure

I don’t keep up with the M+ gamers

MG is fairly tame tho

Top 15 still

[bleak sky]

this is the week to push if you want to

[viscid spear]

No one wants me

[spice spire]

Yeah I finally have half a semblance of a group

So I’ll get a bit done this week

Hopefully a modest 2400

[glass tulip]

My goal for the season is 2500 or a +24

Currently at 2445/+22

I haven't run a key in like 3 weeks now I'm just burned out on them on top of trialing for raid

[spice spire]

2319 rn, ive gained 1 IO in like the last two months cuz group died

[glass tulip]

Pugging all 20s really isn't too bad

[bleak sky]

pug pug pug away friends

[glass tulip]

A little toxic but yeah just take 1 friend and you can easily get a bunch

[bleak sky]

I went from 2300 ish to current io by pugging mostly

it's not that bad

[viscid spear]

your application to PF+15 was declined

[glass tulip]

At max gear 20s go pretty smoothly even without planning

And people for 15s are tougher group leaders than for 20s, no cap

[wild lantern]

You know me so well

[spice spire]

That’s very true Mavv

People at 20s outside of the nonsense of like lust don’t really give a shit they just want damage

[slow marsh]

Gm what's the tea for today

[thorny pond]

Not crit that’s for sure

[bleak sky]

crit 100% of the time

[thorny pond]

I wish big guy

Can’t drink it when I’m pressing ER

[solid venture]

Crit or afk

[glass tulip]

hey guys what am I doing wrong in my opener. I was fighting Guardian and I used subterfuge, garroted twice and then ambushed and I only peaked at 5k

What is slice and dice?

[solid venture]

Should've used garrote 3 times.

Rule of thumb is to garret1 garret2 garret3

Ez r1 parse

[bleak sky]

then vanish garret4 garret5 garret6 garret7

[limber lion]

Can confirm

[ivory bay]

hi can someone help me for a mage tower macro plz

i tried /cast [@Sigryn] Blind but it doesn't work

[glass tulip]

/cast [@ boss1] Blind
/cast [@ boss 3] Kidney Shot

they are both in Whispyr's guide

[ivory bay]

oh thx

[glass tulip]

on separate macros of course

[ivory bay]

yup ty

[glass tulip]

blindside is such a fun talent in dungeons! it really helps me kill off the small adds quicker

[thorny pond]

You’re gonna get blindsided by a kick mid run

[final hull]

I have a question . Is it worth to save CD's like Flagellation + SFA trinket , to pair them with Vendetta + Vanish ? Or should i use flagelation + trinket on CD separately from vendeta + vanish ?

[timid cloud]

I’m sweating harder than I was in the club off a molly....

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-paranoid-gif-4974019

[timid cloud]

Salvaged is about having the most uptime, if you can whack the boss for the entire duration as fast as possible as much as possible, send it.

[strange python]

I think the only exception would be if you know you'll only get one more cast of each towards the end of a boss fight.

[timid cloud]

But then again...

Who needs SFA when you got...FAULTY COUNTERMEASURE

[glass tulip]

[timid cloud]

[glass tulip]

lines up with vendetta every time baby

[timid cloud]

Not me though. Cause it still hasn’t dropped for me.

Finger guns.

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

I’m Schrodinger‘s Rogue.

I’m in bed depressed that I can’t get Faulty, but I am going to get out of bed to acquire it.

[spice spire]

Rinse lather and repeat

Unfortunate

[ashen oriole]

+3 dps for swapping Planned for Stiletto on 5 minutes

[timid cloud]

Sorry. I only use Well Placed Steel, Lashing Scars, & Lethal Poisons in this channel.

[gusty mirage]

Nice bandana

[dawn kelp]

Can you use crusader enchant for assa mage tower?

[strange python]

My sim wants me to run both over phial LMFAO

My sim was phial and faulty

[glass tulip]

I only had raidbots want sfa+fcm when using bs/ds

[errant swallow]

how much of a dps gain is faulty/gland or phial vs phial and gland?

[gusty mirage]

I’ve seen a numbers from 80-200, really depends on your character and your gear

[strange python]

Queen in my guild reminded me to reroll tea between p1 and p2 sylv since it had cd. Went from agi to crit.

[spice spire]

Sudden fractures gaming?

[errant swallow]

I can't sim it because I don't have it 😦

[spice spire]

Based and blessed

[spice spire]

Droptimizer

[gusty mirage]

Droptimizer homie

[balmy condor]

Droptimizer homie

[strange python]

Got me the orange FINALLY

[spice spire]

It’s a beautiful thing

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I misspelled but get bent

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

Get out of my head

[strange python]

Everyone knows you wanna go for rank 1 healing all stars tho

[balmy condor]

Rent free

[spice spire]

If you ain’t first your last

You fools competing for second place

[errant swallow]

Didn't know it was updated, thank you guys.

[gusty mirage]

Always, never evicted

[gusty mirage]

Can’t spell + didn’t ask + you play frost mage

[spice spire]

Yep, been there for a month now? It was implemented before

[glass tulip]

Whispyr is your avatar like the personification of your blue hair? Or is it just trap whispyr

[spice spire]

L+ You fell off + garbage eye parse+legally white+washed

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

You forgot washed

[spice spire]

True actually

Fuck

[gusty mirage]

Edit it or face my wrath

[spice spire]

And legally white

[gusty mirage]

You forgot washed again @spice spire

Ty

[glass tulip]

[errant swallow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j17SFmWceQ1NVJXM2rbmUc

[timid cloud]

Oxi?

[spice spire]

When you have to write your own burn Smdh

[glass tulip]

that's a big upgrade lol

[errant swallow]

Faulty +195 dps

[gusty mirage]

Yes my child?

[timid cloud]

More like T-Oxi-c

[spice spire]

+195, nice

[limber lion]

Can't spell toxic without oxi.

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Faulty and CoS ring were about 400 for me

[balmy condor]

The sim looks okay but you simmed it on weekly, so the ring might be slightly worse

[timid cloud]

📠

[strange python]

I sim 19800 now :( just short of 12k

[gusty mirage]

This might be a trend

[strange python]

Need 252 phial and second dag

[limber lion]

But you came up with it originally, all credit to the master himself

[glass tulip]

20k sim

[strange python]

Ugh

You know what I meant

[limber lion]

jesus everyone's stonked up

[strange python]

Me word bad. Melee brain

[gusty mirage]

Ye that you’re just built diffy

[timid cloud]

I gave up, gave in, I went Vigor - Nadjia instead of Theo & MFD.

[limber lion]

I feel like a heroic raider with my 11.6k sim

[timid cloud]

I did better than I ever did before.

[gusty mirage]

Wow you calling me a heroic raider????

[glass tulip]

I am proudly a noob who plays vigor/nadjia

[spice spire]

Get real, you’re a 5/10 M raider with that sim

True 10.5 Andy right here

[limber lion]

[strange python]

Theotar highroll umbrella on sylv p1 was giga. Was pulling 33k the first 15 seconds. Then we held DPS for 85 minutes (:

[limber lion]

wtf is that emote

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage

[limber lion]

[strange python]

Umbrella on pull feels so nice

[gusty mirage]

I take no responsibility for that emote

[spice spire]

I have questions regarding your emote

[limber lion]

I wanted a pepehands

and got a pepeha instead

[gusty mirage]

Is superior tho

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

conveys different emotions

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

my cat just died

doesn't really work

[gusty mirage]

You make me convey different emotions too

[strange python]

Which emote conveys community problems?

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

This one.

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

[gusty mirage]

This one sums it up pretty well

[spice spire]

The return of the illidari gorilla

[strange python]

Isn't this just an outlaw enjoyer?

[slow marsh]

Should I be offended

[errant swallow]

we're not playing outlaw for 9.2, right?

[gusty mirage]

Who’s we?

[balmy condor]

This channel is stark anti-outlaw

[slow marsh]

Half the people in here would quit before playing gatlaw

[timid cloud]

Machine gunlaw.

[slow marsh]

Cappedlaw

[errant swallow]

I wouldn't mind at all if they removed the whole pirate thing

[slow marsh]

I don't think anyone would

[timid cloud]

Same.

[spice spire]

Nah gives it an identity

Whatcha need?

@obtuse plover

[slow marsh]

Frost set

[obtuse plover]

What shards does Ass need? as 3 set

aye thanks 😄

[timid cloud]

Frost.

[spice spire]

Yeah frost

[errant swallow]

Frost

with Dashing legendary

[timid cloud]

Look what I got in reclear.

https://i.gyazo.com/9cc69a32d7971ee02b88c103535eec92.png

[balmy condor]

I could use that

[regal cape]

I could use any tier of sylv dagger

[errant swallow]

I feel bad playing assassination in M Painsmith

[gusty mirage]

Just get the guardian trinket wtf

[timid cloud]

I just struggle with keeping up Alacrity.

[gusty mirage]

Why

[balmy condor]

Cause sub is so much more banger on painsmith

[gusty mirage]

Sure is

But it’s not like you’re inting playing sin

[cobalt flame]

3 sylv kills

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Don't feel bad

Fuck the haters

[errant swallow]

I don't like you.

Last night was weird tho, too many random dcs we had to call the raid. Was Blizzard being DDoS'd?

[errant swallow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AVTfnQ6Z2YFJmWwg/#fight=7&type=damage-done

[odd hazel]

Seems more as a performance issue. Sin is fine

[gusty mirage]

Looked at the logs and yeah homie you ain’t the problem

[final shadow]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[errant swallow]

I know lol, thank you.

Since we have WW and Boomie I decided to stay assassination. Problem is people are padding over balls instead of focusing one.

[balmy condor]

Yeh same

[errant swallow]

Sin just allows me to focus on mechanics more since it's prog Pain.

https://tenor.com/view/b99-captain-holt-brooklyn-nine-nine-brooklyn99-pain-gif-13186064

[timid cloud]

Blizzard was actually getting DDOS'd yeah.

[strange python]

DDOS aint no joke man

[errant swallow]

I usually play with 170ms, my first thought was I was the problem. Then everyone started to go offline too.

[limber lion]

I sincerely hope no one is padding on balls because all of that damage is literally wasted

It's filtered on logs entirely

[errant swallow]

Right?!?!?!

[limber lion]

buuuuut I have to say

[nimble tartan]

yeah but on details bro

[limber lion]

That your ball damage aint exactly on top of the game

[nimble tartan]

scoreboard

[gusty mirage]

Toss a nice 2cp rupture so you can energy cap

[limber lion]

:P

[errant swallow]

It's not really, balls die so quick.

[limber lion]

Yeah it's decent for Sin because you get full energy returns when they get destroyed and your MFD resets and you get a CoR proc and you funnel damage to your forst procs

[limber lion]

Yeah that's completely fine

Even more reason why you shouldn't worry too much about playing Assa

Sub is great for balls, decent for adds

If both are taken care of, you're mad chilling

[gusty mirage]

I can be pretty great for balls too

[errant swallow]

That's exactly my point, thank you.

[eternal vortex]

guys i might ask a stupid question now but how the hell do i reach max stacks with flag? i just cant go higher than 20-22?

[errant swallow]

You should start by using flag @ 5 cp

[eternal vortex]

is it related to me being only 227?

[timid cloud]

Have points ready going into it for sure.

[eternal vortex]

i do that and yet i cant get higher

[errant swallow]

you can't use flag and then build your cp

[eternal vortex]

i go 5cp into flag

[gusty mirage]

Are you playing marked for death?

[eternal vortex]

no

i need to? XD

[gusty mirage]

Then that’s why

20-22 was normal pre-MfD optimizations

[eternal vortex]

[gusty mirage]

You should only play BS/DS on guardian

[eternal vortex]

im a pick and forget vigor user

[gusty mirage]

And even then it’s not even that big of a deal

You can ep/mfd every boss to success

[limber lion]

There's 2 optimizations to do:

1. Cast Flag just before a finisher. So you build to 4-5CP and then Flag - Finisher
2. You save MfD for Flag if you play it.

That's it.

Everything else is pretty much down to rng and how well your mutilate crits

But you should be seeing closer to 26 stacks during cds

and around 19-22 with just Flag

[eternal vortex]

huh thanks i thought im messing up something

[limber lion]

Nah

[errant swallow]

is it me or the Kyrian lego mini-game gets too boring too quick?

[limber lion]

We never get max stacks, don't worry about it

[limber lion]

Sure does, even more of a reason to never play Kyrian

[strange python]

the kyrian ability isn't terrible - but when you animacharge 2 - it downright sucks

[errant swallow]

Agreed

I have a question guys, I started raiding again this season.

How did CN played out?

Assassination/Venthyr?

[limber lion]

Same shit, different day

[spice spire]

Assassination/venthyr or NL

[limber lion]

Assa was very weak in 9.0 though

Like the worst class in the game

[spice spire]

By far

[eternal vortex]

yep

[limber lion]

But with 9.0.5 it started to gain some speed

[strange python]

I mean what's propping us up now - the frost shard bonus?

[timid cloud]

Yeah, the changes to flag saved it.

[errant swallow]

Sounds awful

[strange python]

literally that's our #1 dmg done so

something has to replace it

[eternal vortex]

we got like 13% pure dmg buff i think for everything?

[errant swallow]

I quit raiding at the end of WoD and just picked it up again in SoD

[strange python]

ahh ok

[timid cloud]

But I also think we had to play NL, I can't even remember CN anymore, like a fever dream.

[limber lion]

Quite a few things. The sets, all the aura buffs, Venthyr rework, legendary choices

[limber lion]

We got 51% aura buffs.

[eternal vortex]

dunno i just remember we got like 2-3 buffs in a row

[limber lion]

Yeah we got several

But that's the nature of stacking multiple 5%'s and whatever on top of each other

[eternal vortex]

we were like at the bottom of the canyon

compared to the next class next to us

[limber lion]

A 5% buff on top of a previous 5% isn't actually 10% in total

It's a bit more

Yeah, sin was pretty awful.

[errant swallow]

That sucks

[limber lion]

Some people played it on Sire for the execute, but that's about it.

[eternal vortex]

ye with the zoldyck lego

but only for progress

[spice spire]

Only the truest of OTPs were here during the dark times

Iirc even you did sub until the second buff?

[limber lion]

Correct

[spice spire]

OTPolice

[limber lion]

I had a choice of either playing Assa or sitting on the bench

And I just wanted to play the game

:/

[spice spire]

No one should have been assassination

I was an idiot for enduring that

[limber lion]

But the second we got a second buff, I jumped on it to prove the boys wrong

And once 9.0.5 hit the boys were flabbergasted

[spice spire]

And you did

9.0.5 truly a blessed patch

[timid cloud]

I took the bench on the Rogue.

Had to become a Hunter...

[eternal vortex]

i just left wow i think i came back after almost a year?

[strange python]

I'd rather wander the world a guildless rogue than wield a bow my guy

[spice spire]

Just threw up a little

[errant swallow]

I've been rogue since early TBC, I don't think I enjoy any other class as much, still today.

[cerulean nest]

love getting crit tea 5 hours before raid and then remembering that I need to immediately quit the game lol

cool design

[strange python]

agree

[ember mural]

classic vibes

[normal mist]

Guys,

Weekly complain

Sylvanas down, 11 weeks straight

Anima.

Thx for joining my tedtalk.

[limber lion]

[normal mist]

Gimme a hug

not an oldman shrugging

im in pain here

[gusty mirage]

no one gave me a hug when I didn't even get anima

[cobalt hemlock]

dont worry bro am at 15 kills + vault every week dont have a single one

[normal mist]

Group hug?

[gusty mirage]

covid bro

[normal mist]

Im tested

[gusty mirage]

[normal mist]

And i failed the test

i wouldnt mind her ring either but... im just unlucky XD

[glass tulip]

If one were to go hit a raider's training dummy for 5 minutes how similar do you think it would be to a 5 minute patchwerk sim

[balmy condor]

you can sim target dummy

[glass tulip]

what is a target sim

[balmy condor]

what?

[limber lion]

target dummy sim is a sim where you don't have any raid buffs, lusts, potions, consumables etc.

if that's what you're asking

[glass tulip]

Whispyr called me a dummy was the joke

you can sim target, dummy

[limber lion]

ugh

[glass tulip]

hm, tough to test bc you drop combat and details resets when you vanish

[limber lion]

Just look at dynamic overall damage

Instead of damage done

Dynamic overall damage does not reset.

[worthy heart]

but whyyyy do i have to play mfd as assa ç.ç, came back some days ago, simmed my setup and mfd sims around 150-200 dps higher 😦

[glass tulip]

didn't think of that, good call

[limber lion]

It's not too bad.

Just send it on CD and save every other one for Flag.

That's about it.

[worthy heart]

aight

[glass tulip]

so it looks like over 5 minutes on a dummy I can get within 10% of the sim which seems low

oh whale

[balmy condor]

is that in one attempt

or multiple

[worthy heart]

and how is it possible to sim like 300-400dps more as venthyr outlaw?

[balmy condor]

outlaw sims real godo

[worthy heart]

ç.ç

i'm doing first 3-4 bosses tonight as trial, do i chill as assa or tryhard as outlaw?

[balmy condor]

sin is usually better

[spice spire]

Whatever you’re best at.

[balmy condor]

but yeh

[spice spire]

Sin is pretty comfy gaming tho

[balmy condor]

if you're trialing play what you're good at

there's no reason to try and trial on something you aren't comfortable with

you also might get questioned why you're playing venth outlaw

[worthy heart]

all right ty, i'll go for necro outlaw then xD

[balmy condor]

[worthy heart]

that btw still sims better tahn venthyr sin xd

[balmy condor]

downgrading

[spice spire]

Plot twists

Wait hol up

[balmy condor]

idk man

[spice spire]

Necrolord kinda goated

[balmy condor]

this just sounds like you have dogshit daggers

[worthy heart]

well

i actually have 2x hc sylvanas

[balmy condor]

you have 2x hc sylvanas

and your sin

is simming lower

[spice spire]

He could have a baller MH

[worthy heart]

252 haste vers

[balmy condor]

mythic veinripper i guess

but like

what

I'm boutta sim you myself

cause I'm hard doubting

[worthy heart]

but i mean, i came back like 2 days ago wtih 50k research and hard socketed crit

didnt sim every gem for neither spec so yea, might be that

[balmy condor]

I mean

that's not it

cause gems combos are gonna give you at most like 50 dps

[worthy heart]

i know

but look https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hxRxSgK6pLiWtWeFNFEdqm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bCps2DpgGAWzVXijEUZVCc

[charred wraith]

lier

[worthy heart]

it doesnt make any sense, i bet like half my wow gold that if i sim sub i get around 11k, but i kinda despise that spec for raid

may be that i'm dogshit at simming

[balmy condor]

truther

[gusty mirage]

you just need to not run double heroic sylv dagger as assassination

[charred wraith]

https://youtu.be/Vp0ncY6edeg

[balmy condor]

the sims going

I'm ready

to stomp this outlaw sim

[worthy heart]

ty

[glass tulip]

was just 1 try but im not gonna waste another 5 minutes when I could go play halo or something

[balmy condor]

10% could just be bad rng ya feel

there's variance

but if you're consistently -10%

that's not great

[dawn kelp]

does anyone know if bigwigs or dbm gives alerts for MT?

[balmy condor]

there's a wa pack I think

[glass tulip]

There is a weak aura pack that includes sounds but I dont think those addons do

[dawn kelp]

cool ty

[spice spire]

You’re 100% running oozing shiv + dagger and not double dagger I assume. 252 main hand is pretty big I’m also running the sim now

[balmy condor]

oh you turned windfury off

cunt

gdi

[worthy heart]

yes, we dont have any crazy enha player

[spice spire]

I ran it with KA

Which tbf was a 12.1 sim

[balmy condor]

I was like

11.9?

that seems way higher

yeh probably not happening though

[worthy heart]

😮

[balmy condor]

super weird

[spice spire]

I mean

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3FertpqCVGNp52Adq9KsRK

[worthy heart]

but why

[balmy condor]

wft

but that's what I got

[spice spire]

Ye

WFT ain’t giving 500 tho

[worthy heart]

i mean, i can give you my simc, but i feel that's going to only cause more problems xd

[spice spire]

Makes it closer

Nah

I’ll fix with no WFT

[worthy heart]

i'll just play outlaw for tonight and blame rolls for my low dps

[spice spire]

I mean if you’re within a couple hundred dps and are more comfy on sin, send it

But I’m running no WFT rn

It’s really just 252 > sylv dagger MH

[worthy heart]

i actually am more comfy on outlaw, even tho it's a crazy spec

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9rWtPAfWQ1xLvctbWV7UBL

I mean yeah run it then

Sin lower not by much but yeah

[worthy heart]

yea, ty bois

[spice spire]

Best of luck tonight sir

[nimble thicket]

If they are that close it comes down to you and the type of fight

I guess

[clever kindle]

I refuse to play sub ever since playing on wifi broke my death from above combo 50% of the time

not that im on wifi now