assassination

[lime gulch]

in your head a DW spec should be getting way more but turns out they get less

or in some cases roughly the same

thanks to the lovely 19% miss chance

[fleet anchor]

(And yeah to your point above, Avade is a cool dude and this manufactured drama was absolutely ridiculous lol)

[gusty mirage]

manufactured drama in the wow community?

[slow oriole]

Sometimes I ask myself why player misses and parries on Raidbosses are still in this game

[slow marsh]

Oxi told me that he hates playing with other rogues especially if their name starts with m

[lime gulch]

the parries I kinda get whatever that encourages positioning

[outer cairn]

bro

[fleet anchor]

Also Shakib was a guildy of mine for like 2 years and I think he's a pretty awesome guy...so talking about the whole sims vs. Limit DHs was actually hilarious

[nova flax]

We dont get any content from the game so we gotta make our own

[outer cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nE1h7ZMYoA

how?

[gusty mirage]

[lime gulch]

the miss chance and especially that you have to just already know about the miss chance because the game doesn't tell you

[outer cairn]

and he's literally spamming FoK

[lime gulch]

is cringe

same goes for armor

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I do sometimes even forget about that part since I've played for so long but it's definitely worth pointing out

Even now Parries are becoming problematic with bosses that spin around like a PvPer the whole encounter

[lime gulch]

that and the behaviour of some abilities/procs vary wildly in terms of if they refund or just get clogged by a parry

[fleet anchor]

If you are playing as Night Fae Rogue and your Sepsis gets parried because Sylv turns around to anime something, you lose your entire legendary effect 🤣

Pretty cool

[slow marsh]

One of many reasons not to play nf

[lime gulch]

big fan of stormbringer not getting consumed but SS going on CD from a parry, so your glowy light up "press this button" thing breaks because you know, you can't press it

[slow oriole]

Take like Sylvanas, sometimes she just cant be moved and puddles are behind her, so you just deal less damage (maybe not a lot but still) because you are melee

[fleet anchor]

Non-CD abilities are not a big issue with parries as much, it's just a global loss and partial refund

But CD abilities get hosed

Which really was not how parries were designed for tbh

Because it's not like Rogues had many primary CD melee abilities back in vanilla

[slow marsh]

I'd rather deal with expertise

[fleet anchor]

But lots of bosses in this tier just randomly turn to cast shit all the time

[gusty mirage]

idk if I want another "secondary" to juggle around tbh

[gusty mirage]

painsmith and sylv are notorious for this

[slow marsh]

Me either but if it means not getting parried

[gusty mirage]

I can never tell which way sylv is facing

it's impressive

[fleet anchor]

That's actually hilariously jank lol

[lime gulch]

very confusing too, people pop in and ask about it all the time

same deal w/hot hand where the fractal CDR fades as you press it and it misfires, eats a GCD but the button is still ready and doesn't go off

so much spaghetti

[slow oriole]

The real solution to parry is to bring back spells being resisted

[hollow river]

Or not

Just get rid of parry EZ

[gloomy knoll]

green oxi

[slow marsh]

Na those mechanics don't fit in modern wow

[gloomy knoll]

👀 grats

[gusty mirage]

I think this is the right idea tbh

I don't hate parry or miss being in the game

[fleet anchor]

I'm a fan of making ranged hurt equally badly

[gusty mirage]

but it feels kinda janky

that we get punished but they don't

[gloomy knoll]

parry is the dumbest mechanic in the game

on jah

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

I don’t mind missing auto attacks as much

[gloomy knoll]

if you ever parried a flag

and then lose obedience buff

[slow oriole]

Does the game tell you about bosses beung able to parry you and specify which? I dont recall

[hollow river]

But GCDs and shit being parried is just shit gameplay

[gloomy knoll]

because you parrie dit

you just wanna neck yourself

[fleet anchor]

I mean DW penalty is kinda arbitrarily just to fit the "theme" of DW from lots of past RPGs

I don't really mind it

[gusty mirage]

happened to me on at least 25% of my sylv prog

[gloomy knoll]

i hate it so much lol

[hollow river]

Supposedly that’s not parry it’s a bug

[gusty mirage]

"oh sick 1 stack, nice"

[gloomy knoll]

it only happens when i'm facing boss so

bug or parry i hate it lol

[fleet anchor]

I think it's possible the flag thing could be related to a hidden spell being parried

[gusty mirage]

ye only happens to me on the spinning top boss that is sylv

[hollow river]

It’s happened to me when I wasn’t facing the front of the boss

[gloomy knoll]

dude

small boss models like sylv

[gusty mirage]

my atrocity shows that something got parried

[gloomy knoll]

actually piss me off

like i literally cannot even see her fucking head

[fleet anchor]

It's not the primary ability but there are some non-logged components that don't show up

[gloomy knoll]

without zooming in

[gusty mirage]

and then I look at my flag WA and it's at 1 stack

[gloomy knoll]

and parry is a thing

like what

[gusty mirage]

and I just sigh

[thorny pond]

PS can do it when he jumps down. Not his I frames but even after

[timid cloud]

On god. I am raiding today & I’m still noticing people are using Nadjia / Vigor instead of Theo / MFD on like 90% of the logs.

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I think it's basically the "internal" trigger spell

That gets parried

But doesn't get logged

[gloomy knoll]

they need to make sylvs head like 5x the size

[slow oriole]

I would not be surprised if casting flag still casts slaughter in the background

[twilit hollow]

@gusty mirage that weakaura just causes you to become more and more tilted by your tanks or bad boss mechanics

[glass tulip]

oxi green

[tidal gorge]

You mean basically accurate to how she sees herself?

[slow marsh]

Oxi been green for awhile

[fleet anchor]

But parry definitely starts to feel mildly archaic if Blizzard is gonna make all their bosses randomly anime around constantly

[tidal gorge]

I hate botching openers on that fight because she randomly parries an envenom and I didn't notice. goodbye 5 flag charges

[hollow river]

yep

[fleet anchor]

It's also just an artificial space limitation when melee is already really punished

Melee having to cram into 40% of the already limited space

[gusty mirage]

It makes me scream too

vanish -> mut (parried) -> mut (parried) OKAY SICK MA WINDOW GAME THANKS

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage no way

no way

no way

no way

no way

[fleet anchor]

Also there's still enough cleave mechanics in the game that standing in front isn't often a good idea

[oak sky]

GREEN OXI

[gusty mirage]

👀

[spice spire]

Late to this party king

[twilit hollow]

@gusty mirage shiv parried,i mald

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

what i'm saying fr

[oak sky]

ive been busy in court of stars

[spice spire]

For 7 hours?

Actually that tracks

[hollow river]

[simple stratus]

i dont mind parries as long as i can see which way the boss is facing, on slyv, i cant tell her ass from her front 90% of the time

[oak sky]

i was asleep for 5 of those hours

and the other 2 i didnt see oxi in this chat

[twilit hollow]

naw parry is an outdated archaic mechanic, remove it or add spell resists for casters just so i can hear them mald

[gloomy knoll]

i mean parries are just stupid

there's sometimes where melee is just forced to stand in front of shit

in order to move with tank

more often in keys

[oak sky]

damn oxi a big boy now tho

[gloomy knoll]

and you just get arbitrarily punished for it

[simple stratus]

some bosses dont have parries and some do, its weird but yeah i wouldnt miss it

[gusty mirage]

damn bro I feel this in my bones

except for vault

[gloomy knoll]

i'm in vault slavery now

finished my cos slavery

[gusty mirage]

how many runs so far

[oak sky]

i was in vault helping @kind talon

[gloomy knoll]

like 35-40 cos and 10-15 vault i think

[oak sky]

i got my trinket 2nd go

[gusty mirage]

10-15 vaults?

baby numbers

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[oak sky]

ive already seen the ring twice

[gusty mirage]

32 and haven't even seen it drop, @tight ginkgo is over 50 lmao

[gloomy knoll]

honestly hate this shit lol

[oak sky]

just havent received it

[gloomy knoll]

yea i've never seen it drop

i saw like 8 cos trinkets drop

[simple stratus]

feel bad for cos trinket farmers

rip little buddies

[tidal gorge]

Oxi only green to make half this channel's chat green and the other half red for christmas. Change my mind.

[gloomy knoll]

some1 has to take cevs place

he's busy doing real life stuff

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

happy holidays friends

[fading wigeon]

Grats on green!

[gloomy knoll]

i nominate skip

[twilit hollow]

[hollow river]

🤮

[spice spire]

Why you gotta bully dog

The homie doesn’t deserve this

[gusty mirage]

bully what

we suffer together

in solidarity

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage you look good in green king

[loud silo]

hey ive been out of touch all day, did countermeasure get a nerf on reset?

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

seconded

[bleak sky]

satan io

[drifting cloud]

huh they really give green to anyone thesedays

[oak sky]

[dawn ivy]

oh shit oxi has more power now grats boo

[oak sky]

"Power"

[thorny pond]

Better behave or you’re going to get rage muted

[dawn ivy]

listen buddy i think they gave oxi a gun

you better watch it

[glass tulip]

[thorny pond]

Oxi is a ninja

[gloomy knoll]

any1 know

how much ahead theotar is with crit tea

figured i'd try it this week but my lethal poisons conduit is only 239

[loud light]

can sim it in advanced with (copied from subtlety faq):
profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"

[gloomy knoll]

true prob best to do that

ty

[balmy condor]

^

that won't work

btw

like if you're trying to compare to nadjia

[strange python]

I don't see it in the pins, but I recall there being a script you could run to determine all the best consumables -- weapon oi/stones, foods, etc.

Anyone have that?

[balmy condor]

!oil

excuse me moroes

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

wow thank you moroes

[strange python]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit in the custom apl part of top gear would work too btw

so you can just top gear it with nadjia

[gloomy knoll]

oh evne easier

thanks bud

like 20 dps better

eh fuck it lets give it a roll

[cobalt pelican]

excuse me this pastebin preview is ruining my vibe

[balmy condor]

that's the punishment for not working bot

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[arctic walrus]

@dawn ivy now even more people can mute/ban u

[dawn ivy]

more people i need to bribe more like it

JUST TO SURVIVE

[oak sky]

👏 now oxi can mute me instead of blocking me

its just too easy for the kid

[kind talon]

👏

💅

[dawn ivy]

vigor wont be mandatory for dusk to work right

like the extra energy regen wont actually be more than like 5 extra seconds of cdr over a minute

[balmy condor]

shouldn't matter, no

[gusty mirage]

its like that huh

[drifting cloud]

[kind turtle]

crimson tempest for mythic dormazain? or nah

[clever kindle]

if your raid needs the little bit of extra aoe sure but most of the damage will be done by others

[tidal gorge]

As my raid leader says every week: "this is a single target fight unless you're assigned to blow up the adds"

[frosty bridge]

Okay this really depends

Do you want to pad or are you progging

I feel like our Fury and Windwalker friends make it really hard to pad no matter what talents you’re taking

[kindred rapids]

How do you line up cds in P3 sylvanas?

I'm using cds on colossus so I have vendetta up immediately after veil on the first platform

I was thinking for that reason of trying to sync the first vendetta and flag but then I'd have to wait until until the second platform to get decent value of them

So maybe it's better to flag immediately on the first platform, vendetta at the start of the second platform, then hold vendetta for the 3rd flag

so vendetta at 30s, 3m, 5m, and flag at 0s, 90s, 3m, 5m

[sharp zodiac]

No

[sharp zodiac]

Ideal would be Vendetta pull, 2 min, first add set on like a goliath, then 2nd burn for sylv, 2nd platform after first veil, 3rd platform after first veil, halfway through lust

[kindred rapids]

I'm only talking about P3

[sharp zodiac]

I wouldnt CD the colossus

So P3 would be Platform 2 after veil platform 3 after veil lust

[kindred rapids]

Well if I don't cd colossus we're missing a good portion of the second burn anyways

[sharp zodiac]

Well right now

If you vendetta at 30s you wont get full value because she'll jump during your CDs

3min in intermission so you're wasting CDs on chains?

[kindred rapids]

no

[sharp zodiac]

Intermission is literally at like 3:12

[amber fossil]

anyone else disconning from blizz services? cant type in raid chat or hearth. East coast US

[oak sky]

yep

[sharp zodiac]

Yes its Bnet not WoW

[oak sky]

west coast

[kindred rapids]

just talking P3 timings

[oak sky]

everyones having issues pmuch

[gusty mirage]

I made our arms warriors mad before bodying them on Guardian, AMA

[sharp zodiac]

CD when you have like 30 seconds of nothing

So usually after a veil

[kindred rapids]

so wait for veil on 2nd platform

[sharp zodiac]

Ideally

[kindred rapids]

okay

[oak sky]

your name looks so weird in green

its kinda cute though

😳

[sharp zodiac]

Wait

[gusty mirage]

[sharp zodiac]

Oxi is a green man now

[gusty mirage]

don't you mean: budget cev?

[oak sky]

ZAMN

[gusty mirage]

that's an ethical 11.6 right there

[oak sky]

on which boss

[gusty mirage]

after tilting the warriors

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

guardian

[oak sky]

sheeeesh

ezpz

[gusty mirage]

they were asking for PI

[oak sky]

gamer numbers

[gusty mirage]

so I asked a simple question

"Does PI add wrinkles to your brain"

then they got mad

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-smooth-brain-idiot-gif-20901280

[arctic walrus]

yeah but parse check?

[gusty mirage]

85

[glass tulip]

bro im going sicko mode on soulrender rn but we only have 19 people bc blizzard is broken

feelsbadman to be wiping at 3%

just improved soulrender parse to a 91

[bleak sky]

pog

[slow marsh]

poggie

[cerulean nest]

imagine being able to literally open the battlenet app

[thorny pond]

open? it crashed my PC

[drifting cloud]

thats why I raid on my switch

[hollow river]

forums say it's DDoS'ers reacting to the Mage Tower's difficulty

frustrated by a hundred wipes

[fallow otter]

Hahaha shit heals

[glass tulip]

tried to hearth out of raid since we had to call it early, was on a loading screen for 30 seconds and it just put me back in the raid

so alt+f4 and seeya tomorrow lol

[clever kindle]

loading screen boss truly the most formidable

[slow marsh]

Pray for tier set news before thurs/Fri with me bruddahs

Wait we already got it poggers good job bois

[thorny pond]

Pretty big

[oak sky]

And all the sub bugfixes

Exactly what we want to see

👏

The build pretty big for rogues

Rqid util

🔮

[hollow river]

[charred wraith]

did dashing with mfd sim higher for quite some time or am i missing something?

[slow marsh]

Yeah

Mfd was September

[oak sky]

it was like the week i killed fatescribe

jeez

its been a while

[charred wraith]

eh i thought mfd was only relevant for obedience

[dawn ivy]

its a little better with obedience

but mfd still does work better than vigor even with dashing

[oak sky]

its relevant for venthyr in general

its a bigger increase for obedience than for dashing but its pretty big for both

[charred wraith]

cool

[dawn ivy]

but people still dont use it because its a bit cringe

[oak sky]

its not really

its fine

[charred wraith]

its fine

[dawn ivy]

feels different than usual

[charred wraith]

it feels the same idk

[oak sky]

people dont use them because they think its too hard for some reason or because it slows down their energy

either that or they just don't know

[dawn ivy]

its just clunkier

and yeah i guess it can be harder if you throw in trying to use it on adds

i just really dont like mfd on sin or sub tbh

[iron orchid]

when you are not used to it, it's hard to get the full potential out of mfd, I think that's just it

[dawn ivy]

its been a couple months now and people still arent getting rank 1s with it, so im confident it doesnt really matter

[iron orchid]

on ptr, i played with mfd for the last 4 bosses and still not used to using it properly, meaning, remembering to use it every 30s and planning to use it on add spawns

[oak sky]

dude people getting rank ones have 20 buffs what do you mean

[strange python]

monday got my first 259 EoN and right now the second, ggs mates

[iron orchid]

that's pretty tru

[dawn ivy]

there are certainly some close ranks

[iron orchid]

and this is too

[oak sky]

literally people are either not on logs, playing worse with mfd, or dont have the gear/kill times to beat these giga parses

if everyone was playing mfd in the top 100 im positive the average damage dealt by top 100 would be higher

because its a stronger talent rn

[dawn ivy]

well sure

[fallow otter]

Rank one is a battle of winds crits and externals, sin is a basic spec (once you're geared)

[oak sky]

you can get very high logs, maybe not rank 1s on every single boss with no externals

high 99s

top 10

[dawn ivy]

honestly i dont even think you can get top 10 easily

[oak sky]

you definitely can

[iron orchid]

top 100 still comes down to some gearing even when you get no externals

[dawn ivy]

you gotta get 5 buff kind of luck on your crits

[oak sky]

not really

[dawn ivy]

to beat the externals?

[iron orchid]

i mean, 252 fusion or 246 countermeasure, and double sylv daggers

or you can't get there

[kind talon]

@oak sky rqid util 💀

[oak sky]

some bosses are harder than others but for the most part just average luck should get you in top 10

if you play optimally

and have bis gear

guardian specifically might be a stretch because of how hard people parse whore, but I think with a good kill time even that should be doable to get some decent logs

[cyan silo]

why my wind of winter got low damage

way lower than what i see from some streamer

[oak sky]

could be any number of reasons

[cyan silo]

im all ears, please

[balmy condor]

Streamers have a special install of world of Warcraft that gives them 20% more damage

[oak sky]

link a log

or

it could just be

your crit is low

[burnt latch]

its not that much, according to my calculations its closer to 12%

[oak sky]

your winds isnt rank 5

[balmy condor]

Or you’re not 255

[oak sky]

^

[balmy condor]

Or you got unlucky

[oak sky]

im not 255

[balmy condor]

Or you’re missing a raid buff

Or you’re bad at the spec

Or you’re focusing too much on winds damage when it’s a completely passive effect that you have no control over and it’s super confusing to me why it matters

[oak sky]

i track winds of winter so I can guarantee it crits using my vanish spell

@balmy condor

👍

[balmy condor]

Huge brain

Just remember to do that next patch when we run subterfuge

[oak sky]

winds is gonna be sick next tier

[balmy condor]

The vendetta exsang more ticks

To feed winds

Huge

[kind talon]

Wait

That’s so smart whisper

Is that why you’re a mod

[oak sky]

big 2pc buff @balmy condor the crit buff 100% insanity

[cyan silo]

im more confused than before i join this discord

[oak sky]

its not getting reworked to something better

[dawn ivy]

just wait for the REAL 2pc buff scarizard was hinting at

[kind talon]

Holy fuck 100% crit on bleeds to fit even more into winds and the exsang effect

[oak sky]

we're just joking, just keep in mind that your winds is probably just a bad luck or gear thing

[kind talon]

I think people are mostly joking, but if you can link a log in this channel that would be the best way for us to check

[sonic schooner]

Basically with mfd what i need to know? Just no mfd prepull, make sure to have on for flag/vendetta, use it almost on cd preference inside a shiv window?

And that s all?

🤔

[balmy condor]

Ye

[sonic schooner]

And nothing change about the opener? Still mut snd mut gar blablabla

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

Everything past this is complete meme

[sonic schooner]

Mokay

[kind talon]

Can’t you mfd prepull at like 20 seconds or something

[oak sky]

not even a gain

[kind talon]

Big brain

[balmy condor]

One gcd

[shut garnet]

no one is gonna do a 20sec pulltimer for the assarogue mfd

[oak sky]

its a 22s prepull

to be exact

[sonic schooner]

Oh yea decaf i ll ask a 25s pulltimer

[kind talon]

YEA BABY

[balmy condor]

I SAVED A GCD

[sonic schooner]

my raid leader will just bench me right away

[kind talon]

Yes censi do it

[oak sky]

who needs mfd next tier anyway when we play ep deeper

[kind talon]

Just go to a worse guild

[oak sky]

[kind talon]

[balmy condor]

Bad news king

[sonic schooner]

Alraedy when i had to be the one to pull SLG at nathria

they were mad

they dont understood how sbs works

[kind talon]

Wat

[oak sky]

the news will be good, the ep deepers will do the damage

👍

[sonic schooner]

and i got it 1 pull out of 10 because casters cant proprely pull

[kind talon]

The damage with the deepest will be deep

[balmy condor]

It didn’t look like deeper

:(

Could be wrong

[sonic schooner]

like 0.2s of cast gonna make them parse better 😠

[kind talon]

Fuck the simulations they are just robots they cannot do the real bosses

🧠

[oak sky]

the deeper is to comings, the newers tier sets will be the poggus

[sonic schooner]

True, whispyr a robot

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

im telling you

[kind talon]

Me when the feel craft

Venomous wounds

[oak sky]

db/obe ep/deeper high haste gameplay

its coming

ALL our tier gear will have crit haste

[balmy condor]

Okay but all the boomies going kyrian next patch so is deeper better with kyrian simp?

[kind talon]

I need the more energies for my dusk walker patch

[kind talon]

Yes

I am a simp for oinky fans 🐷 Druid boom kin

[sonic schooner]

Wait what are boomies again switching cov cuz they re giga buffing it?

[kind talon]

[kind talon]

They are nerfing venthyr leggo hella

[sonic schooner]

Better late than never i guess

[oak sky]

2 less op buttons

[kind talon]

Which is big gains for everyone else baby

Boomkin is dead rogue is the king

[sonic schooner]

i hope kyrian is easy to play

[kind talon]

Kyrian boomkin?

[sonic schooner]

because after the easy LOL CONVOK LOL LOL

[kind talon]

Yeah it’s hella easy lol

[sonic schooner]

they were all lost with venthyr and few of them just reroll

[kind talon]

It’s literally convoke without convoke

[oak sky]

once our tier is good we will to be the getting top damage in the raids

[kind talon]

WOW thanks agreon

[sonic schooner]

idk what does kyrian druid

[kind talon]

I will be doing the damage

[kind talon]

Kyrian affinity

Buff button

Give stats

[oak sky]

once outlul rogue has the 4 piece tier sets they will be doings the big damage

[kind talon]

Yes I will be doing the outlaw rogue (not get sat) on the progress

[sonic schooner]

Already being top dmg 😎

I cant wait to drop my set pieces on the wrong gear so i ll had to temporaly recraft my legendaries till i drop it on the good piece

[oak sky]

its fine just dont waste all your gold on a leggo

[sonic schooner]

imma buy a 190

[oak sky]

or just hold onto your old one until you have tier slots open for the good slot

[sonic schooner]

600 golds

[oak sky]

and tbh depending on stats and ilvl our legendaries could go in the same slot anyway

[slow marsh]

I see so much wrong can't compute

[kind talon]

3090

[sonic schooner]

RTX on ?

[oak sky]

"wrong," yet our tier set rework is unreleased

[kind talon]

nvidia experience baby

[slow marsh]

Can't English brain broken

[oak sky]

rogue strong

ROGUE TOGETHER STRONG

[kind talon]

man @oak sky i would actually be happy if next tier was assa tier

[slow marsh]

I come from future mastery overloaded brain cells condensed English to basic words so can focus more on rotation

[oak sky]

:?

[kind talon]

just sit there chilling refreshing bleeds doing big dam

[oak sky]

10.0 when our mastery is reworked

[kind talon]

attacking enemy with dagger using brain jack galifanakis computations for biggest damage

[slow marsh]

Bet our new 2p buffs have something to do with mastery

[kind talon]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[hollow river]

I’m ready for another outlaw only tier

Me smash buttone gud

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874447411144171610/884672200156782592/image0-6.gif

[oak sky]

i dont think anyone wants that

outlaw mains dont want boomers in their channel

[kind talon]

skip

[slow marsh]

Just roll bro you have 5mins of snd

[hollow river]

Nah I’m happy when all 3 are good

[kind talon]

im not happy when sub is good that spec feels shit to play

[hollow river]

But I want more reason to get better with the other specs

Mostly just used sub and outlaw for dungeons :/

Sin comfy prog spec makes you want to gouge your eyes out when the prog is never ending

[slow marsh]

Everyone memes that sin is so easy meanwhile they are falling asleep and not doing damage any more

[hollow river]

[kind talon]

i would play sin in a re clear if my guild unbenched me

maybe ill play it on early bosses if i get in :)

[slow marsh]

But in all honesty I've seen plenty of "good" rogues not be able to play sin for it to be defacto easy spec

[kind talon]

NO SHOT

thats a lie bro

[obtuse robin]

vit

[oak sky]

its definitely true

[slow marsh]

Na it's true

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

@kind talon remember the first time you played sin with me and daps in call?

[kind talon]

wow!

[oak sky]

its like that but worse and also they dont have me and daps telling them what to do better

[hollow river]

Lmfao

[slow marsh]

There are certain nuances to it. The concepts are basic but it requires some brain cells to min max

[oak sky]

i dont really think thats what it is

[kind talon]

yeah but u can just hit a target dummy for an hour and get the rotation down

[oak sky]

people just dont know everything theyre supposed to do

[kind talon]

idk its just ppl not knowing certain concepts and playing it in raid without practice cause they think its easy

[slow marsh]

True same with any spec kekw

[kind talon]

then failing and not understanding why they failed

[kind talon]

i mean theres certain specs that u cant practice with pi and lust etc

[oak sky]

look at gromnak perma holding flag and crying about winds and bomb rng on guardian

[kind talon]

that guy is a "good" rogue for sure

Favela

[oak sky]

"good" player

[kind talon]

yep

[oak sky]

to be clear

[hollow river]

But was he a good rogue player to begin with

[oak sky]

he is a good player

[hollow river]

?

[oak sky]

on warrior

[hollow river]

Sure

[slow marsh]

Oh makes sense then

[hollow river]

I think most rogues say sin is sleeper

[oak sky]

yeah but its the same idea

[hollow river]

I’ve never heard any non rogue player say that

[oak sky]

people hop on sin and dont know things

[kind talon]

i think most "good rogues" can play sin

like

[slow marsh]

Anyone who plays warrior and rogue has something wrong with them

[kind talon]

shut up

[slow marsh]

👀

[oak sky]

🤔

[slow marsh]

[hollow river]

[kind talon]

most rogues i know are good at sin

and can play it

100%

[oak sky]

💀

100%

[kind talon]

even those that prefer other specs

[slow marsh]

Anyone can play any spec

You just activate it

[kind talon]

only ppl that i know that cant or dont play sin are one tricks

like skip :)

he plays a bit of sub but

[oak sky]

i mean

any good

[kind talon]

point stands

[oak sky]

player

[subtle tundra]

skip the community council member??

[oak sky]

should be capable of learning any spec

[kind talon]

skip no z

[oak sky]

its more about effort

and knowledge

than anything else

[slow marsh]

Ye

[oak sky]

some good rogues cba optimizing sin

and thats fine

[kind talon]

who lol

[slow marsh]

Its more about comfortability and you're usually more comfortable the more you play any given spec

[oak sky]

it was a general statement

[kind talon]

asking @slow marsh mainly who he means

feel free to dm

[subtle tundra]

wait you can receive both items in m+

[kind talon]

im just curious

[slow marsh]

For what

[kind talon]

ye u can

[oak sky]

@subtle tundra yea ive seen a hpal get the healing trinket and ring from cos

[subtle tundra]

damn

[kind talon]

i think its only legion m+

warrior got 2 items one time

lol

[subtle tundra]

weird

received 2 items, neither the trinket

must be bugged

no dagger from vault

i think this game is currently under construction

[oak sky]

unlucky

[kind talon]

true

[umbral tulip]

How long is it worth delaying shiv for Vendetta for? Say my shiv is ready and my next vendetta is in 15 seconds, do I delay shiv or use and then delay the vendetta for 10 seconds to have them line up or what's the correct decision there? New assa gamer, so apologies if this is obvious but I couldnt find anything about this in detail

[oak sky]

12s is the normal rule

[umbral tulip]

So if it's 13 seconds, do I use it and then delay my vendetta for the next shiv? Or just use vendetta when it comes up and use shiv during that vendetta?

[oak sky]

you wouldnt delay vendetta

you would just send vendetta then delay vanish until shiv is back up

[umbral tulip]

I see, ty

would I also use flag if that was up with the vanish and shiv then or send that with vendetta straight away?

[oak sky]

usually we send flag on cooldown and only line it up with vendetta if we don't lose a cast of it

but you would just use it with vendetta if they both came up around the same time

[umbral tulip]

aight thanks dude

[oak sky]

a lot of this kind of stuff is in pins and faqs as well idk if you checked those out yet

but always happy to answer any questions that arent there or clarify anything

[umbral tulip]

I did read the FAQ and pins and most of the wowhead guide, but I might have missed it

I just recall wowhead guide saying if vendetta was coming up soon you could hold shiv, just wasnt sure what that meant exactly

[oak sky]

yeah, it isnt super clear

you can hold a little longer than 12 seconds its basically just making sure you get as many casts of shiv as possible in the whole fight

[balmy condor]

Rewriting the entire rotation page is pain

[strange python]

Shiv timing on sylv annoying

The shiv that lines up with her jumping away and then not lasting enough before veil makes me sad

Also. 52% crit chance but winds of winter only crit 32%. Rip

[balmy condor]

Should’ve played better I guess

[slow marsh]

I mean if you know you're not getting 9s value of shiv or close to it then just don't press it until you will

[strange python]

There's a specific time on sylv where she's about to do Dom chains into veil and delaying shiv would lose a cast

But you still don't get full value

[slow marsh]

Ye I mean just sucks to suck either way you lose

[balmy condor]

Bad cast better than no cast

[strange python]

Too sleepy or I'd check logs to figure out which. I think it's like 4th or 5th shiv

Ye

[balmy condor]

Slam button on cd

[fleet anchor]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

The holy gospel

Book of Koji 25:3

[strange python]

Is pink name generalist?

[balmy condor]

Pink name is just member role

[slow marsh]

The beige gang is just a group of bullies

[strange python]

Ye like not spec specific

[fleet anchor]

Funny part about rotations is that people who don’t want to execute complex rotations don’t ever seem to believe in simple suggestions and ask for the complex ones instead. 😦

[slow marsh]

They are actually yellow namers that didn't want to get memed on anymore

[strange python]

I'd play outlaw if it was thematically a clown

Instead of pirate

[slow marsh]

I used to think the same way pal

[fleet anchor]

“Is it really as easy as keep bleeds on pandemic and mash Mutilate and Envenom randomly? It can’t be. Please supply me with the 182 cast sequence that’s actually optimal.”

[strange python]

Also we gave our tank veinripper over me /shrug

[kind talon]

:wokege:

[kind talon]

[fleet anchor]

“Surely it must be more optimal to use TB when at 34.5 energy, 4.9 combat points, and 2.1 seconds before Vendetta.”

[balmy condor]

How long do I hold shiv If vendetta is coming up but not vanish, and flag has 20 seconds left on the cd would I want to hold for the overhang on the buff from flag during pandemic vendetta vanish overlap pool to 140 so I get 6 envenoms?

[strange python]

But I saw a top log where a player let garrote drop!

[balmy condor]

Scaling???

[fleet anchor]

I also saw a top log that would be a grey parse if they didn’t have 19 externals.

[strange python]

Sin scales

[fleet anchor]

What a time to be alive

[strange python]

Sin scales with all stats so it'll be top spec next patch

[balmy condor]

Parse culture problem, game working as intended

[fleet anchor]

Sigma said it was ok

[slow marsh]

Hey so next patch since we will have so much haste does that mean sin will finally scale up to be bis spec again

[balmy condor]

Sounds more like a chad to me

[charred wraith]

not the scaling take

[umbral rapids]

ah yes, the scaling thing

[strange python]

Will we take exsang to scale with 4set?

[umbral rapids]

been a while

[fleet anchor]

Surely their raid giving someone who barely knows the rotation 19 externals is maximizing their raid’s chances of success, right? Working as intended.

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Community problem

[balmy condor]

Yeah some people just play for parse

[strange python]

Venom rush exsang mastery stack. Trust me bro

[balmy condor]

And that’s fine

Parses are just a harmless, no stake game to play

[fleet anchor]

Wait so I’m having a hard time understanding this scaling thing.

[balmy condor]

Which doesn’t impact like recruitment or anything

[umbral rapids]

is that sarcasm or ?

[strange python]

Yes

[fleet anchor]

Mages always scale best in the last patch. But SL only has 2 patches and Mages never scale well early in the xpac. Which is true?!

[subtle tundra]

no, ass chat is serious mode only

[balmy condor]

Reis mir den Fuß raus damit ich lachen kann alter

[subtle tundra]

now how tf do i do the bear challenge

AAAA

[strange python]

Can we please for the love of God get weapon tokens though?

[umbral rapids]

what

[strange python]

Who's our community council rogue

[slow marsh]

Morgan day said he doesn't like tokens

[subtle tundra]

SKIP AHAHHAHAHJ

[balmy condor]

bad question

[umbral rapids]

why did i just get german'd

[slow marsh]

Don't worry guys skip knows exactly what we want and need here in the assassination channel

[fleet anchor]

Recruitment is a community problem too. Nbd. Actually everything is a community problem so it doesn’t matter how we design anything. It’s the perfect crime.

[strange python]

There's some DK telling blizz in that shithole that loot system sucks because their rogue couldn't get dag. We gotta back him up

[slow marsh]

We are in good hands

[twilit hollow]

we have a Community council rogue player?

no we have a community council outlaw

[subtle tundra]

wait community problems in an mmorpg??? nooooooooooooooooooo

[fleet anchor]

Actually never mind. Everything is a community problem except loot. So personal loot stays. My bad.

[balmy condor]

Yeah we just design the game, how players decide to play the game ISNT our problem

Oh but also stop farming timewalking the trinkets are too strong

[strange python]

Nearing 70 sylv kills this tier and only have 1 edge please help me

[fleet anchor]

I only have 1 from GV

[strange python]

Same

[slow marsh]

Imagine having 1

[fleet anchor]

It’s sucky

[strange python]

I only get 1 mythic vault each week now...

[balmy condor]

I have 1 from heroic vault

[subtle tundra]

cant wait to play 2 omega good push weeks with only 1 dagger

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

We just do Tara kt sylv and call it

[fleet anchor]

Also I get more and more convinced the RNG on the GV is broken as sin every week

[subtle tundra]

put it on outlaw?

[slow marsh]

I need to open vault as sub then I'll get it for sure

[fleet anchor]

How tf is it even numerically possible for me to get bracers 7 weeks in a row with only 2 on the loot table.

[balmy condor]

Can assure you that isn’t working either

[slow marsh]

Aw darn

[subtle tundra]

i have an idea, what if i dont open vault for a month straight and i get one omega christmas/month

[strange python]

Tokens? Plz?

Or like, kill boss 10 times pick loot

[fleet anchor]

I haven’t even seen like 11 items on the loot table in my GV ever. That’s like a third. It defies statistics.

[strange python]

Or shrink loot table

[oak sky]

is the moon in retrograde?

[fleet anchor]

Bracers are like what a 2/30odd chance?

[balmy condor]

I mean honestly though what do you know about numbers

[fleet anchor]

It’s insane

[slow marsh]

Na loot table should be bigger but vault needs to allow a targeted pool

[strange python]

Ive gotten 5 252 oozes this patch :) no 252 phials.

[balmy condor]

There’s 3 targeted pools already, raid m+ and pvp quit complaining

[strange python]

Plz stop

This sarcasm got too real

[balmy condor]

[placid radish]

I feel like weekly chest had higher chance of getting 252 weapon than 6 slot GV

[subtle tundra]

i mean, just drop it?

[oak sky]

i like the vault freezing idea

trading is bad luck protection

ratio

[slow marsh]

I'm gonna make an alt rogue named whispyrer and get into your guild so I can wipe on guardian with you and it'll be fun

[strange python]

Our buyer got mythic bow today. We're selling to a rogue next week. If he gets dagger I will kill myself.

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

Honestly the chances of me getting bracers in 2 GV slots 7 weeks in a row is so absurdly low it’s unbelievable

Have better chances of winning the lottery

[strange python]

I will do it

[balmy condor]

In the Game*

[oak sky]

pro tip if you pull dagger let it loot to mailbox

[strange python]

If I pull dagger I'm equipping it right in front of my GMs face

GM is a mage, aka dirty rat

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

i bet hes frost

[strange python]

Fuck his sale

[oak sky]

[subtle tundra]

my gm got 10/10 mythic last week on his alt rogue, if he gets dagger out of this vault i swear to god

[strange python]

I'd rather lose our entire sale to a ticket than give a mythic dagger to a buyer

[fleet anchor]

Part of me wonders if it’s a two pass RNG thing where it rolls a slot then an item or something.

[subtle tundra]

i love when gms bring shitter alt to main raid and when i want to gear my shitter mage i get fucked

[fleet anchor]

But it’s really wonky

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Just delete vault plz

[fleet anchor]

Anyway 1 dagger is fine.

[strange python]

I've gotten 3 sylv belts and 3 sylv chests in the last 6 weeks. Never at the same time though.

[fleet anchor]

That’s all I need to use all next tier anyway

[balmy condor]

What if blizzard just makes the drops you need rarer in the vault in order to keep you playing and increase play time metrics

[strange python]

...

[slow marsh]

[fleet anchor]

I’m at like 4 Sylv belts, 7 defiant treads

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

What if you wanting the second dagger is just a community problem and you stopped caring about your dps on a class that has no utility?

[fleet anchor]

True

[oak sky]

yes, and also blizzard intentionally synced ptr with endwalker

[slow marsh]

Endwalker

[balmy condor]

Be gone anime cat boys

I’m the only one of those allowed

[oak sky]

dont worry whispyr

i would never abandon you like that

im no FF player

[fleet anchor]

WF kills were without a Mythic dagger and thus they aren’t actually needed. Doing more damage is just a community perception issue and that’s not our problem.

[balmy condor]

This discord ain’t big enough for 2 cat boys

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

I was given 3months ff and I still didn't play it after heavensward

[strange python]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[subtle tundra]

i dont have the money to afford ff sub, sorry

[strange python]

Watching our hunters face on stream as he stared at his heroic bow while the buyer looted mythic bow was pure pain.

[fleet anchor]

lol

I bet

[strange python]

I'm so scared that's gonna be me next week

[normal mist]

It is cheaper thooo

[oak sky]

one of our hunters got 259 bow on kill

another quit raiding for the tier

[slow marsh]

FF combat system is too janky and ezpz no skill I'd rather just keep paying 500k for kindred + PI + faeries + focus magic to get real rank 1s

[oak sky]

and the other dipped with a few hours notice to the gm

[balmy condor]

I need the damage in m+ to push my 27. But then again, there’s no gain going past 15 and that’s doable in heroic gear so actually I don’t need the damage, I need to stop blaming the game for my bad perception

[fleet anchor]

Exactly

[strange python]

M+ score is just community perception

[subtle tundra]

yea, why are you doing 27s? rio is a community problem

[fleet anchor]

Wake up sheeple

[subtle tundra]

scoreboards are an invention of the community

[fleet anchor]

DPS is just a hoax created by big theorycraft to keep them employed

[slow marsh]

Stop using ranking websites they don't line up with our game design

[strange python]

If you can't get accepted into +27s on the merits of your bigtitty drawing that got 400 upvotes on r/wow then really that's a community problem.

[subtle tundra]

and your payment is how the community treats you

[balmy condor]

We can’t control what rating systems third parties create

[balmy condor]

Is that why sims don’t work in real fights?

[iron orchid]

Actually, now that there's a dungeon score in game, that's not a valid point

[strange python]

Is employee harassment a community problem?

[slow marsh]

Yes

[fleet anchor]

Can I send my Raidbots sims out on mission table missions to get gear for me?

[muted ivy]

We can’t control what does damage in our games

[slow marsh]

That's why they never did anything about it

[balmy condor]

Hasn’t stopped pvp community

[subtle tundra]

i like how they added dungeon score, but no way of seeing a player's dungeons
just their score, nothing more

[oak sky]

see, what you don't understand is that bs/ds actually does less damage in pure st because the top logs don't run it. mad?

[balmy condor]

I’m selling BiS raidbots profiles as NFT’s for seriallos coins, theyre this new blockchain currency, it’s really taking off

[muted ivy]

You just want to discriminate against ppl smh

[slow marsh]

Lmao

[strange python]

I want a "lazy slacker" title for the 0.01% of players with the lowest dungeon score above 2k.

[subtle tundra]

yes

[fleet anchor]

Worst part about Sigma’s argument is that externals are actually used in a way that is often exceptionally detrimental to raid success rather than to empower it. Because epeening is too big.

[slow marsh]

Bis profile nfts could sadly pop off

[muted ivy]

[fleet anchor]

And as if there is any world where Druids going Kyrian is optimal for raid success. 🤣

[balmy condor]

What about an “average” title for everyone that isnt top 0.01 or bottom 0.01

[muted ivy]

U say this

[strange python]

And no fight is tuned tightly enough for his argument to hold water in the first place. And if there was, you'd run a different ckmp.

[muted ivy]

But next tier it could be a possibility

[subtle tundra]

the moment boomkin isnt top dmg on the charts, they start crying

[strange python]

Trashmaster.

[fleet anchor]

Possible. But right now it’s just all for simping lol

[strange python]

Is this when we link the "why the fuck you lying" video?

[balmy condor]

You mean providing meaningful buffs to your raid team as a form of hybrid gameplay

[fleet anchor]

22% legendary isn’t 22%. I’ll explain later.

[balmy condor]

Well it can’t be 22% when the tier is 100% during vendetta

[strange python]

Feral giga 9.2?

[balmy condor]

That would be too strong koji

[muted ivy]

Rn 100%

[strange python]

Shit now I can't find that Boomie lying video :(

[slow marsh]

And the 4p bonus is appropriately valued

Don't forget that

4%

[fleet anchor]

Actually might be OP according to Dratnos

😛

[strange python]

But what about according to Ja?

[slow marsh]

Ja Morant is injured

[fleet anchor]

Love having a set that is like 1/3rd the value of most other sets. And having people say it’s awesome.

[strange python]

It is fun

[oak sky]

its ok

[slow marsh]

Sponsored btw

[oak sky]

blizzard is listening

they can see the numbers

[muted ivy]

[balmy condor]

Ja cant hurt you, he’s not real
Ja:

[slow marsh]

Scarizard is listening to my feedback don't worry I will save us

[oak sky]

pepela when there is a blue post today

[strange python]

Is scarizard with blizzard now?m

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[strange python]

Lol

[oak sky]

hes our guy

[fleet anchor]

I think they will fix the set. But the hype is funny.

[balmy condor]

Developers communicating

Is like

[muted ivy]

Imagine thinking blizzard thinks about any other numbers than sub counts

[balmy condor]

The second coming of Christ

To the wow community

[fleet anchor]

Except when Sigma drops 5 paragraphs of 🍝 to say “nah it’s cool”

[strange python]

Bruh why can't I find that Boomie vid :(

[slow marsh]

"Hi yeah just wanted to let you guys know that we are working on stuff so yeah just wanted to let you know see ya next week"

I'll take that 10/10 times

[oak sky]

better than them not addressing it at all

[fleet anchor]

But the set bonus communication was 👌

[muted ivy]

Very informative and helpful

[oak sky]

this ptr is nut quality

[balmy condor]

I only count communicating when it benefits me

[slow marsh]

I'm just glad I don't have to "test" the 100% crit 2p

Just to arrive to the same conclusion

[fleet anchor]

I mean. I dunno. Kinda? Considering they talked about listening, them just repeating that they think status quo is great isn’t very encouraging.

[balmy condor]

True, you’re NA, already testing raid bosses, no overtime testing bucko

[slow marsh]

Ye they dropped the ball with that one

[oak sky]

tbf next expansion we only have pi

at least until bard gets announced

[fleet anchor]

Like not even “thanks for your feedback we will consider the options and get back to you”

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

That’s what you think

[fleet anchor]

Was literally just “nah”

“All good here”

[strange python]

Gonna go crazy finding this moonkin vid :(

[fleet anchor]

Community council forums outed as a scam on day 5. Efficiency. 🤣

[oak sky]

idk

[balmy condor]

Gonna go to bed and cry because laughing feels so fake

[oak sky]

at least this way they can see people hard disagreeing and refuting their take

hopefully

[slow marsh]

Ya darn tootin I am and I'm tired of these 2 bit rogues in my random pugs that don't give me any real idea of where I'm at with my testing because someone doesn't want to be rogue buds

[oak sky]

which might lead to change and/or future feedback

[fleet anchor]

Can always hope. But the externals convo seems to feel remarkably similar to the Covenant one.

[slow marsh]

Oh so we just have to wait 2 years then

[oak sky]

and the covenant one got changed eventually

its not like they were removing externals

its a spell

next expansion it could happen potentially

[fleet anchor]

We just need 50% of people to quit again to get externals removed!

I think they will reevaluate for next xpac though

I’d like to hope anyway

[slow marsh]

Yeah idk externals sound fun but then choosing who out of 19 people to use it on sounds so much worse

[muted ivy]

Just make externals similar to blessing of autumn where the dmg goes to the caster

[fleet anchor]

Externals can be designed in a way that they aren’t bad

[slow marsh]

Externals should be smaller and affect a whole party imo

[fleet anchor]

Not all externals are bad

PI and Kyrian are bad

[muted ivy]

Only toxic when it directly improves the buffed persons performance

[slow marsh]

Give 4 people 5% haste > current PI

[oak sky]

windfury

[slow marsh]

Yeah but a working wft that's not just butter pasta

[strange python]

Found it! https://twitter.com/AceanFronk/status/1416479437453987845?t=igHeUS9fdKhirXMDQZYINQ&s=19

fronk (@AceanFronk)

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[regal cloud]

Fronk

[muted ivy]

Tht is beautiful

[charred wraith]

pi and ka groups kekw

the dilemma ench or pi/ka group

[slow marsh]

I mean KA shouldn't exist at all ever cuz why but yeah

[charred wraith]

focus magic group when

[slow marsh]

They already trade fm

But we can't trade tricks ?

Rigged

[fallen ginkgo]

it finally happened! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676501851411054652/920601690162491392/unknown.png

[muted ivy]

[strange python]

those helms look good bro

[fallen ginkgo]

was a hard choice, really wanted the m+ helms for transmog

[golden basalt]

my rogue keeps getting fucked in vault, new alt druid got IQD first vault

[strange python]

signal XDDD

[golden basalt]

internal system bias confirmed

but hey, got a nice haste/vers belt for when I´m never playing sub :))

[frosty bridge]

implying it's good for sub

haste is the devil

[icy ember]

should i run w/dashing or doomblade for mythic sylvanas?

[small basin]

he said never playing sub 😛

[frosty bridge]

dashing frost tier set

[frosty bridge]

oh, actually true

[golden basalt]

idk sub is what, vers/crit?

[frosty bridge]

yupz

[small basin]

yeah haste is kinda shit for sub

[golden basalt]

just now that my vers is low for my m+ keys as sub so at least the belt will see some use I suppose

[muted ivy]

It’s not tht bad

[small basin]

normally the worst stat tho

[earnest remnant]

haste is pretty decent for ST

[muted ivy]

Haste>Mastery for ST other way for AoE I think

But not a huge difference

[small basin]

guess i only really played sub in pvp where haste is hot garbage

probs different in pve

[earnest remnant]

yeh haste for aoe is shit

[muted ivy]

Ya thtd make sense

Mastery for BP stonks

[cold rampart]

does the edge of night power stack in sim?

[dawn ivy]

it works in sims as it works in game

[rotund drift]

whats the best soulbind for m+ again? was it heimirr?

[small basin]

normally

plague deviser sims better for me tho

[subtle tundra]

he did

this game is unfair

his 3rd ever vault on that char, first one that can drop the dagger

the other two were shadowgrasp trinket

and phial

he is 252 now, close to bis

not gonna lie, im kinda mad

[verbal mantle]

[exotic plume]

what are the chances to get 3x sylv loot but no dagger sadge

[dawn ivy]

yeah thats pretty fucking depressing jeez

[ocean shadow]

OOOOOF

[steel bane]

I feel for you mate, pretty fucking unlucky

[ocean shadow]

got the 259 sylv ring myself

still one heroic dagger that i got 2 weeks ago :')

[umbral summit]

!guide

[near bane]

Im goin crazy, dyin too much on bad overlaps, fuckin assa challenge

half the time Im dead because Dark Wings position is fucked up

seems safe but it isn't

atleast I finally managed to get 1k dps

with an heirloom trinket

"templates" omegalul

[rigid tartan]

hey guys, when will the sylv dagger mainhand at 259 be replaced? a regular heroic mainhand from new raid or will it stay until mythic as bis in mainhand?

[golden basalt]

you can always cloak it

[nova flax]

Are you keeping sigryn blinded for the entire duration?

[spice spire]

Won’t know until we see the stuff. As for MH, it’ll probably be ilvl replaced from another dagger next tier, as raw damage is the highest prio main hand. Offhand different though 🙂

[near bane]

nope, just later in the fight

just mad because my rogue is on outland and I have pretty much no gold left on that server

and consumables aren't cheap

[nova flax]

Break all of ur blinds immediately and keep cleaving all 3. If u keep her blinded itll make u fall short on damage and ull hit the enrages

[gusty mirage]

It’ll get replaced next tier for us. Sub is probably iffy unless they pull another dagger out of their ass

[umbral summit]

guys is there a reason that guides/sims have vanish > mut > envenom > mut in the opener, instead of pooling to 4-5cp and vanishing for envenom > mut > envenom? makes more sense to me to have both envenoms gain the extra crit chance

[gusty mirage]

Because you want the MA window for the mutilates

Two four-combo point mutilates > a crit on envenom

[cold rampart]

should i go 259 edge of night and 252 dungeon dagger or 259 edge of night and 246 hc edge of night?

[gusty mirage]

Sim it, but it likely be 259/252

Either way they’re pretty close

[cold rampart]

oh